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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Brazilian women were forced into prostitution
« on: September 04, 2019, 01:33:35 pm »
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/04/asia/k-pop-brazilian-trafficking-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html

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A group of Brazilian women who traveled to South Korea hoping to join its multibillion-dollar K-pop industry instead found themselves trafficked into prostitution, according to South Korean police.

Seven Brazilian women in their 20s and 30s were rescued from brothels after police raids last month, and five people were arrested on suspicion of arranging prostitution and trafficking women.
The women were lured to South Korea in early July, after connecting with a man on social media who offered them a free, round-trip flight ticket, a police spokesman said.
"(The) women were told they could be models, or that they would be supported to become K-pop singers," he added.
But once they arrived in South Korea, it was a different story. The women's passports were allegedly taken from them, and they were locked in two houses in Ilsan and Paju, two cities north of Seoul. They were then allegedly sold to a massage parlor for 2 million won ($1,650) each, police said.
Police were tipped off to their situation last month, after a Brazilian woman called her embassy in South Korea asking to be rescued. Officers then raided a massage parlor in Ilsan, where they rescued three Brazilian women.
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A few days later, police rescued four more women from a house in Paju. The women were moved to a shelter and seemed "traumatized," the police official said.
Police are still investigating the extent of the scam.
"We think that there could be more people involved in the operation and possibly someone above who was organizing," the official said, noting that it was rare to see South American victims in a sex trafficking case in South Korea.
Over the past few years, South Korea's $4.7 billion entertainment industry has won over an international audience eager for the country's films, music and beauty products.
There's no shortage of young singers and dancers hoping to break into the highly competitive entertainment industry, and K-pop idols often undergo rigorous training from a young age.
The promise of success in this expanding industry has attracted talent from other countries, including Blackpink star Lisa, who comes from Thailand.


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    • March 22, 2013, 11:53:06 am
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Re: Brazilian women were forced into prostitution
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2019, 01:57:12 pm »
Just awful, but the numbers don't seem to add up.The traffickers paid for their plane ticket from Brazil to Korea, but then turned around and sold them for 2 million won each ??? Criminals don't work for low profit margins. What else is wrong with this story?


Re: Brazilian women were forced into prostitution
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2019, 04:47:12 pm »
Just awful, but the numbers don't seem to add up.The traffickers paid for their plane ticket from Brazil to Korea, but then turned around and sold them for 2 million won each ??? Criminals don't work for low profit margins. What else is wrong with this story?

The tickets were round-trip, and probably with a budget carrier. The criminals canceled the return flights, giving them a bigger return.

Also, criminals will absolutely work for "small" margins (ever read those stories about guys killing people off for $20 or robbing convenience stores for a max of $50 profit?), especially if the work involved is minimal and what they would consider low risk. They made a minimum of 7 million won on those women for what probably amounted to a single day's work. All they did was chat with them, buy the plane tickets, and pick them up. Not really much effort there.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2019, 04:52:07 pm by Chinguetti »


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    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
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Re: Brazilian women were forced into prostitution
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2019, 07:00:00 pm »
Just awful, but the numbers don't seem to add up.The traffickers paid for their plane ticket from Brazil to Korea, but then turned around and sold them for 2 million won each ??? Criminals don't work for low profit margins. What else is wrong with this story?

The tickets were round-trip, and probably with a budget carrier. The criminals canceled the return flights, giving them a bigger return.

Also, criminals will absolutely work for "small" margins (ever read those stories about guys killing people off for $20 or robbing convenience stores for a max of $50 profit?), especially if the work involved is minimal and what they would consider low risk. They made a minimum of 7 million won on those women for what probably amounted to a single day's work. All they did was chat with them, buy the plane tickets, and pick them up. Not really much effort there.
at the same time, it's high risk. getting caught could land them many years in jail, all for a few million won

edit: i suppose it's because criminals are idiots


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Re: Brazilian women were forced into prostitution
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2019, 07:05:07 pm »
Yeah, I don't really get the  people trafficking motivation. It's a really serious crime but by its very nature the victim has to remain alive to make it profitable and is therefore able to testify against you.


Re: Brazilian women were forced into prostitution
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2019, 07:50:10 am »
at the same time, it's high risk. getting caught could land them many years in jail, all for a few million won

edit: i suppose it's because criminals are idiots

Yeah, I don't really get the  people trafficking motivation. It's a really serious crime but by its very nature the victim has to remain alive to make it profitable and is therefore able to testify against you.

They don't see it that way. There's a lot of arrogance wrapped up in the human trafficking trade because there's a lot of power and control over the victims. That's why so many victims end up as drug addicts -- human traffickers and pimps get them addicted to help keep them dependent, and get them so involved in messed up shit that victims become afraid to leave and get help. This is even worse in areas where prostitution is legal (because laws make it easier for human traffickers and pimps to hide what they're doing and also make it a lot more difficult for law enforcement to prove that trafficking is taking place). After a while, the entire world is against them.

And yes, the majority of criminals are idiots and incredibly short-sighted. A lot of them have gotten more "sophisticated" thanks to all of the crime TV shows, as in they're more aware of forensics and that sort of thing, but still, the majority don't really think things through. These guys honestly sound like amateurs in the business, but it doesn't really matter either way. They were arrogant and underestimated the victims.
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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • June 07, 2012, 10:01:55 am
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Re: Brazilian women were forced into prostitution
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2019, 09:49:18 am »
at the same time, it's high risk. getting caught could land them many years in jail, all for a few million won

edit: i suppose it's because criminals are idiots

Yeah, I don't really get the  people trafficking motivation. It's a really serious crime but by its very nature the victim has to remain alive to make it profitable and is therefore able to testify against you.

They don't see it that way. There's a lot of arrogance wrapped up in the human trafficking trade because there's a lot of power and control over the victims. That's why so many victims end up as drug addicts -- human traffickers and pimps get them addicted to help keep them dependent, and get them so involved in messed up shit that victims become afraid to leave and get help. This is even worse in areas where prostitution is legal (because laws make it easier for human traffickers and pimps to hide what they're doing and also make it a lot more difficult for law enforcement to prove that trafficking is taking place). After a while, the entire world is against them.

And yes, the majority of criminals are idiots and incredibly short-sighted. A lot of them have gotten more "sophisticated" thanks to all of the crime TV shows, as in they're more aware of forensics and that sort of thing, but still, the majority don't really think things through. These guys honestly sound like amateurs in the business, but it doesn't really matter either way. They were arrogant and underestimated the victims.

Is this true? Any stats on this? Genuinely interested.


Re: Brazilian women were forced into prostitution
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2019, 11:08:07 am »
Is this true? Any stats on this? Genuinely interested.

Yes, it is, but it's also really complicated.

This is kind of old and really dry to read, but it attempts to analyze the subject from a mathematical/empirical perspective: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X12001453

Same here: https://web.stanford.edu/~perssonp/Prostitution.pdf

And this is just general info: https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

This site has pro/con arguments for the legalization of prostitution and of course addresses trafficking as a strong con, with some references attached to some of the arguments (be careful with some of those, though, a few sources are actually really old media articles and aren't actually valid as sources): https://prostitution.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000243

There was a very good and recent research paper about this subject, but I can't find it with the time that I have right now. If I find it later, I'll post it. Until then, though, if you just search for the results of "legalization of prostitution, human trafficking" you'll get a ton of hits, and a lot of the websites that pop up with source research papers and articles that discuss different cases.

« Last Edit: September 05, 2019, 11:14:06 am by Chinguetti »


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • June 07, 2012, 10:01:55 am
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Re: Brazilian women were forced into prostitution
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2019, 11:55:13 am »
Cool Iíll check those out. I had always assumed legalization would reduce trafficking but I guess it depends on the surrounding enforcement.