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  • bb459
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"A Small Needful Fact"
« on: July 22, 2019, 09:54:20 am »
Is that Eric Garner worked
for some time for the Parks and Rec.
Horticultural Department, which means,
perhaps, that with his very large hands,
perhaps, in all likelihood,
he put gently into the earth
some plants which, most likely,
some of them, in all likelihood,
continue to grow, continue
to do what such plants do, like house
and feed small and necessary creatures,
like being pleasant to touch and smell,
like converting sunlight
into food, like making it easier
for us to breathe.



-poem by Ross Gay



last week week was 5 years since Eric Garner was brutally attacked and murdered by amerikan police officers, on camera, for the entire world to see.
now, the officers are still employed. and a family is missing its father, husband and son.

Rest In Peace.
Say his name.
(never forget)
« Last Edit: July 22, 2019, 10:02:22 am by bb459 »


  • NorthStar
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Re: "A Small Needful Fact"
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2019, 10:28:47 am »


  • kyndo
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Re: "A Small Needful Fact"
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2019, 10:40:33 am »
Murdered, really?
OK, trigger...
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2014/12/03/actual-facts-eric-garner/
That it was murder is open to discussion, as intent hasn't been proven. But that Eric's death was a homicide is undebatable.

And... Breitbart? Really?  :huh:


  • NorthStar
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Re: "A Small Needful Fact"
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2019, 10:54:41 am »
Murdered, really?
OK, trigger...
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2014/12/03/actual-facts-eric-garner/
That it was murder is open to discussion, as intent hasn't been proven. But that Eric's death was a homicide is undebatable.

And... Breitbart? Really?  :huh:

Really, really.

If you actually read what is written, it offers food for thought on this debacle...which IS a tragedy. 


  • kyndo
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Re: "A Small Needful Fact"
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2019, 11:03:07 am »
Really, really.
If you actually read what is written, it offers food for thought on this debacle...which IS a tragedy. 
Then I'll give it a read, I guess.


  • NorthStar
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Re: "A Small Needful Fact"
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2019, 11:04:42 am »
Here is some more...https://www.nationalreview.com/2014/12/unnecessary-death-eric-garner-editors/

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The death of Staten Island resident Eric Garner at the hands of a New York City police officer was tragic and unnecessary. Whether it was criminal is a more complicated question. A Staten Island grand jury did not believe so, deciding this week not to bring any changes against Officer Daniel Pantaleo, who in August put Garner in a headlock when the suspect, who was illegally selling single cigarettes, resisted arrest. Lying on the ground, surrounded by police, Garner repeatedly said, “I can’t breathe” before suffering fatal cardiac arrest. The confrontation was captured on videotape.

The availability of the footage has ensured that everyone has an opinion about the incident — but the circumstances of the case, and the laws governing it, are not at all straightforward. The root legal question — was Officer Pantaleo’s use of force justified? — is enormously involved, relying on knotty New York criminal statutes, and it is complicated by the facts of the incident. It remains unclear, for example, whether the chokehold technique Pantaleo applied is one explicitly banned by NYPD guidelines, which, furthermore, do not make chokeholds illegal. The state’s medical examiner ruled Garner’s death a homicide (in a medical, not a legal, sense), but Garner’s asthma, obesity, and heart problems also apparently contributed. Garner also resisted arrest, albeit mildly. All of this has made the case particularly thorny. Until the evidence presented to the grand jury is made available, it is difficult to assess their decision.

What is clear, however, is that this did not need to happen. It is evident from the video footage that Officer Pantaleo, whether criminally or not, responded aggressively to a citizen who was not a threat, and whose crime was minor. Law enforcement must be granted latitude to enforce the law, but it is not clear why Garner’s offense necessitated arrest, and why that arrest was so urgent that it required aggressive force.

It is worth remembering that Garner’s encounter with the police was largely a by-product of government action — namely, of the punitive tax on selling single cigarettes that has generated a thriving black market. This is something New York City mayor Bill de Blasio, with his imperious excise regime, would do well to keep in mind. There would be fewer rogue offenders if legislators and bureaucrats concocted fewer petty offenses.

There is room for reform on the law-enforcement side, too, such as measured policy changes making it easier to terminate police officers if it is established that they have violated internal guidelines. Local policymakers should be willing to thoughtfully explore other options as well. Unfortunately, though, no police regime is going to avoid every terrible accident.

Don’t tell that to the protesters who have taken to the streets in New York City and across the country. The vast majority have adopted the familiar meme “Black Lives Matter” and claim that Garner’s death is only the latest example of institutional racism in America’s criminal-justice system, from the squad car to the jury box: Garner, Michael Brown, and Trayvon Martin are all of a piece. But there is no indication that Garner’s race had anything to do with his treatment by police, or that Pantaleo’s had anything to do with the grand jury’s decision not to indict. Furthermore, the facts of Garner’s case and Brown’s are wildly different — which helps explain why many of those who believed the Ferguson grand jury was correct are questioning the grand jury in Staten Island. The race-obsessed Left, though, merely sees a white cop and a black victim.

Eric Garner’s case was tragic, preventable — and, thankfully, rare. There were 228,000 misdemeanor arrests in New York City in 2013, and none of them resulted in a death. The claims of demonstrators notwithstanding, Garner’s death has occasioned outrage not because it is another example of a common occurrence, but because it is virtually unique. That is no reason to pardon Officer Pantaleo, if in fact his actions were criminal; and despite the wide latitude they must be given to perform their duties, law-enforcement officers, too, must be subject to the letter of the law. But a death like Eric Garner’s is vanishingly unlikely in modern-day America, and that is reason not for outrage, but for optimism.


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Re: "A Small Needful Fact"
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2019, 02:45:01 pm »
If Korean police escalated things like  US cops, there would be so many people in jail here. The number of times I've seen drunk people push cops here...

Americans cops need to take a chill pill (de-escalation), and just let little things go. The whole thing could have been solved by seizing the cigs, and pat the guy on the back, and tell him to go on his way. Putting a guy in a choke-hold for selling single cigarettes, come on guys.


  • raysmith
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Re: "A Small Needful Fact"
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2019, 03:49:23 pm »
The needless death of this man is one of the saddest things I have seen. 

They replayed it on TV last night.  I tried to put myself in Eric's position.  Pleading.  Barely being able to say that he couldn't breathe.   Struggling.  The police officer has a lot of questions to answer.   At the very least, he should have assumed that Eric was telling the truth. 
« Last Edit: July 22, 2019, 03:51:22 pm by raysmith »


  • raysmith
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Re: "A Small Needful Fact"
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2019, 04:05:59 pm »
It reminded me of the police treatment of this woman in Australia.  Fortunately her injuries were not life threatening.  But the police did not believe her.  They dragged her up the stairs (and more) when she had a dislocated hip.  Fast forward to 48 second mark of youtube clip below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD4s-OvKDwU


  • stoat
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Re: "A Small Needful Fact"
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2019, 04:18:22 pm »
Not saying it's true in this case but fast forwarding these kind of videos or even watching them in their entirety but without seeing what happened before and after is often part of the problem.


Re: "A Small Needful Fact"
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2019, 04:47:16 pm »
Blame tobacco taxes and NYC Mayor Bill DeBlasio for sending the goon squads to crack down.

Let people smoke for cheap. Or if you are going to jack up the price, at least let the Eric Garner's of the world make a buck.

Like I said, old school he would have traded a carton of smokes to the beat cops in exchange for territory and him giving tips on real criminals. But the city needs its tobacco tax money cuz they cant balance their budget so now it goes from a minir shakedown into a chokedown.


Re: "A Small Needful Fact"
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2019, 07:22:16 pm »
Murdered, really?
OK, trigger...
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2014/12/03/actual-facts-eric-garner/
That it was murder is open to discussion, as intent hasn't been proven. But that Eric's death was a homicide is undebatable.

And... Breitbart? Really?  :huh:

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