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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #100 on: November 05, 2019, 02:07:14 pm »
The security, staff members, etc stay in the same place (whichever Trump property it happens to be) and spend government money to do so.  That money goes into Trump('s et al) pockets.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/278-years-golf/
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/fact-check-have-u-s-taxpayers-spent-72-million-on-trumps-golf-outings/
https://apnews.com/b267aabaa2094c46a97e0ace4a2e491f

The bulk of the expenses are to operate Air Force One, Security Details, and paying the local communities for security, policing, etc. None of that goes into Trump's pocket.

Further all of the expenses that are billed to the US Govt at Trump resorts would have to be itemized and accounted for. There's an army of people looking to find the slightest flaw in those. The idea that Trump is sending some blank bill for "$100,000,000" and the signing it to himself is laughable.

I can only assume you're being intentionally dense here.  Those security details and other people have to stay somewhere.  You do understand that?  Even if it is the 'normal' price for paying for rooms (280 dollars or whatever), it is still money that is being given back to the trumps, in heaps.  If no one stays in the rooms, they go unsold and they get nothing.  Is that so hard to understand?  He is using taxpayers' money and giving it back to himself and no matter how much northstar bangs on about him not collecting his 400 000 dollar salary, he is making tons more than that from staying in his own resorts and hotels. 

As for your second paragraph, it's another of your comparisons that is way off.   "$100,000,000"   :rolleyes: What are you on about?


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #101 on: November 05, 2019, 02:20:58 pm »
"$100,000,000"   :rolleyes: What are you on about?

That's the rough estimate that has been given to how much the US president has costed taxpayers regarding his golf outings.

Clearly that 100 million isn't being put into his pockets, but it *is* money that's basically being flushed down the toilet. Governments are inefficient by nature, but... that's... that's a lot of cash!
   Good thing most of his golf trips are within the US. Imagine the costs if he visited courses internationally! O.O


Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #102 on: November 05, 2019, 02:50:34 pm »
Even if it is the 'normal' price for paying for rooms (280 dollars or whatever), it is still money that is being given back to the trumps, in heaps.  If no one stays in the rooms, they go unsold and they get nothing.  Is that so hard to understand?  He is using taxpayers' money and giving it back to himself and no matter how much northstar bangs on about him not collecting his 400 000 dollar salary, he is making tons more than that from staying in his own resorts and hotels. 
Yes because when Obama traveled around the country him and his security detail stayed at the Motel 6.  :rolleyes:

In heaps? Do you have an actual breakdown of the billing or are you just speculating here?  Let's assume Trump is bringing an entourage of 100 people. And they stay there for 2 nights. The whopping amount of money Trump is making is......$56,000. That's of course assuming there are zero expenses involved.

Dude, the government pisses away like 10X that every minute.


That's the rough estimate that has been given to how much the US president has costed taxpayers regarding his golf outings.

Clearly that 100 million isn't being put into his pockets, but it *is* money that's basically being flushed down the toilet. Governments are inefficient by nature, but... that's... that's a lot of cash!
   Good thing most of his golf trips are within the US. Imagine the costs if he visited courses internationally! O.O
I think the appropriate thing to do is compare expenditures. Then we also have to consider the fact that often "golf" is  a kind of informal business meeting. Finally, it should be considered that a personal venue such as that, which is capable of hosting functions, but provides something of a more relaxed atmosphere than formal state dinners or visits to the White House is a GOOD thing for government. The somewhat higher cost could pay vast dividends.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #103 on: November 05, 2019, 03:21:24 pm »
Even if it is the 'normal' price for paying for rooms (280 dollars or whatever), it is still money that is being given back to the trumps, in heaps.  If no one stays in the rooms, they go unsold and they get nothing.  Is that so hard to understand?  He is using taxpayers' money and giving it back to himself and no matter how much northstar bangs on about him not collecting his 400 000 dollar salary, he is making tons more than that from staying in his own resorts and hotels. 
Yes because when Obama traveled around the country him and his security detail stayed at the Motel 6.  :rolleyes:


IF Obama owned Motel 6 I would have a similar objection!!  Why is this so hard to understand?
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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #104 on: November 05, 2019, 03:46:37 pm »
The objection is not golf itself. The United States contains many golf courses and hotels. If Trump chose to play and stay at facilities that he didn't own, we wouldn't be having a conversation about his businesses benefiting from government expenses.

To repeat, what don't you understand about this? Have you never given any consideration to why we have conflict of interest regulations?

It's also hilarious that you're making this argument while simultaneously suggesting that Trump was sincerely interested in fighting corruption in the Ukraine.



Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #105 on: November 05, 2019, 04:04:58 pm »
Even if it is the 'normal' price for paying for rooms (280 dollars or whatever), it is still money that is being given back to the trumps, in heaps.  If no one stays in the rooms, they go unsold and they get nothing.  Is that so hard to understand?  He is using taxpayers' money and giving it back to himself and no matter how much northstar bangs on about him not collecting his 400 000 dollar salary, he is making tons more than that from staying in his own resorts and hotels. 
Yes because when Obama traveled around the country him and his security detail stayed at the Motel 6.  :rolleyes:

In heaps? Do you have an actual breakdown of the billing or are you just speculating here?  Let's assume Trump is bringing an entourage of 100 people. And they stay there for 2 nights. The whopping amount of money Trump is making is......$56,000. That's of course assuming there are zero expenses involved.

Dude, the government pisses away like 10X that every minute.

 :laugh:

Weeping Jesus.  If Obama did own Motel 6, I'm pretty sure the Republicans would onto this like bloodhounds. 

How often does trump go away with all these people?  Let's say speculatively it's four times a month at 56 000 dollars (which is just for a room) that's over 200 000 dollars a month.  To his businesses.  Again, if they didn't stay there, then it's possible they'd go unsold, giving him nothing.  If you can't see how that benefits him, then I can't put it any simpler. Seriously, for someone who prides himself on being terribly smart, you're coming off as the complete opposite here. 

Not too sure how to make this any simpler for you.  Seriously, you sound like the rest of the republicans these days, you're defending something that is impossible to defend.  Always Obama....


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #106 on: November 05, 2019, 08:17:59 pm »

Maybe you should be a bit more concerned with Trump golfing.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-obama-golf_n_5d45c72de4b0acb57fcd4eb8
https://www.politicususa.com/2019/08/17/cost-of-trump-golf-trips.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2019/07/10/trumps-golf-trips-could-cost-taxpayers-over-340-million/#3433048a28aa

He's going to his own golf courses to play, and spending US tax money to do it.
I could care less.  All Presidents are going to take occasional trips to wherever to relax. I want them too. If Obama wants to go yachting off of Maui for a few days, more power to him.  If we have a future president who is another businessman, I don't think they should have to 100% divest themselves from their business and never visit anything they own.

Otherwise the only people that might run are career government officials. Yuck.

Of course you don't care.  You're the Kellyann Conway of Waygook.  You are so blinded by your love for trump that you just take the contrary, obviously incorrect and morally corrupt position, and stick to it.  If you can't see how trump paying himself millions for his golf trips or holding official events at his properties is wrong, then there is no help for you. 

Have you ever read up on the net worth of various congressmen and presidents pre and post-office?

Also, the govt. would be dpending that money no matter where the President goes as most of those costs are for security. They aren't going into Trump's pockets.
It's free publicity worth quite a bit to those properties.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #107 on: November 05, 2019, 08:19:46 pm »
Even if it is the 'normal' price for paying for rooms (280 dollars or whatever), it is still money that is being given back to the trumps, in heaps.  If no one stays in the rooms, they go unsold and they get nothing.  Is that so hard to understand?  He is using taxpayers' money and giving it back to himself and no matter how much northstar bangs on about him not collecting his 400 000 dollar salary, he is making tons more than that from staying in his own resorts and hotels. 
Yes because when Obama traveled around the country him and his security detail stayed at the Motel 6.  :rolleyes:

In heaps? Do you have an actual breakdown of the billing or are you just speculating here?  Let's assume Trump is bringing an entourage of 100 people. And they stay there for 2 nights. The whopping amount of money Trump is making is......$56,000. That's of course assuming there are zero expenses involved.

Dude, the government pisses away like 10X that every minute.


That's the rough estimate that has been given to how much the US president has costed taxpayers regarding his golf outings.

Clearly that 100 million isn't being put into his pockets, but it *is* money that's basically being flushed down the toilet. Governments are inefficient by nature, but... that's... that's a lot of cash!
   Good thing most of his golf trips are within the US. Imagine the costs if he visited courses internationally! O.O
I think the appropriate thing to do is compare expenditures. Then we also have to consider the fact that often "golf" is  a kind of informal business meeting. Finally, it should be considered that a personal venue such as that, which is capable of hosting functions, but provides something of a more relaxed atmosphere than formal state dinners or visits to the White House is a GOOD thing for government. The somewhat higher cost could pay vast dividends.
good to see that your excuse making is back on form. This is right up there with your "scientific" timeline for the sinking of the Sewol.


Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #108 on: November 06, 2019, 07:22:09 am »
Also, the govt. would be dpending that money no matter where the President goes as most of those costs are for security. They aren't going into Trump's pockets.

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“What a beautiful ballroom,” President Trump said as he walked into a campaign fundraiser recently at a hotel in downtown Chicago.

Donors laughed. The hotel was Trump’s. They were paying the president to cater his own fundraiser.

The Chicago event exemplifies a pattern of the Trump presidency: It was another presidential trip that brought Trump private benefits. The hotel was paid about $100,000 for the lunch, according to a Republican official who helped coordinate it.

Trump’s presence also gave a boost to a property that, like some of his others, is suffering from financial decline.

Profits fell 89 percent from 2015 to 2018, from $16.7 million to $1.8 million, according to documents filed with Cook County, Ill. Trump’s hotel struggled even as other Chicago hotels held steady or thrived.

“Performance of [the Trump hotel] is clearly disassociated from that of its competitive set,” the company’s lawyers said in a letter to the county seeking to lower the hotel’s taxes.

While his properties have benefited from his repeated visits and business from conservative customers, there are signs that at least parts of the company are struggling, beset by financial setbacks, regulatory and legal battles, and a tarnished brand name.

O’Brien said part of the difficulty stems from Trump’s decision to keep ownership of his businesses, defying White House precedent.

Trump has visited Mar-a-Lago, which he calls his “winter White House,” 24 times. Those trips have brought payments from the U.S. government — which paid the president’s company for hotel rooms and even for a $1,000 bar tab run up by White House aides.

At Trump’s Irish golf course — which has lost money consistently since he bought it in 2014 — a Trump visit this summer brought more than $100,000 in revenue from the Irish government, according to Irish government records. The reason: A presidential visit requires police, and police need to eat. Trump’s club charged Irish police more than $118,000 for food and rooms, according to an itemized bill released after a public-records request. (When Vice President Pence visited the same club in September, the Irish police paid Trump’s company another $3,800, according to Irish government documents.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/who-built-this-beautiful-place-despite-trumps-visits-to-his-properties-some-of-his-businesses-show-new-signs-of-financial-decline/2019/11/05/819869cc-f691-11e9-8cf0-4cc99f74d127_story.html

I understand this is a little long, but seems to encapsulate what we're saying.  The final paragraph especially.  Could you imagine if he didn't stay at his properties?  We'd be looking at another bankruptcy for this failed 'businessman'.


Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #109 on: November 06, 2019, 02:05:02 pm »
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“If you lose, they will say Trump suffered the greatest defeat in the history of the world,” said Trump, pointing at a bank of news cameras. “You can’t let that happen to me, and you can’t let that happen to your incredible state.”

What was that Kentucky?  :laugh:

Losing control of Congress in the midterms.  And now this.  Would seem trump isn't as popular as he would like to think.   ;D


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #110 on: November 06, 2019, 07:58:36 pm »
Even if it is the 'normal' price for paying for rooms (280 dollars or whatever), it is still money that is being given back to the trumps, in heaps.  If no one stays in the rooms, they go unsold and they get nothing.  Is that so hard to understand?  He is using taxpayers' money and giving it back to himself and no matter how much northstar bangs on about him not collecting his 400 000 dollar salary, he is making tons more than that from staying in his own resorts and hotels. 
Yes because when Obama traveled around the country him and his security detail stayed at the Motel 6.  :rolleyes:


IF Obama owned Motel 6 I would have a similar objection!!  Why is this so hard to understand?

Instead Obama spent most of his time working for the US government writing books and getting paid handsomely for them.  The second 'real' job he's ever had.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #111 on: November 07, 2019, 07:42:12 am »
Even if it is the 'normal' price for paying for rooms (280 dollars or whatever), it is still money that is being given back to the trumps, in heaps.  If no one stays in the rooms, they go unsold and they get nothing.  Is that so hard to understand?  He is using taxpayers' money and giving it back to himself and no matter how much northstar bangs on about him not collecting his 400 000 dollar salary, he is making tons more than that from staying in his own resorts and hotels. 
Yes because when Obama traveled around the country him and his security detail stayed at the Motel 6.  :rolleyes:


IF Obama owned Motel 6 I would have a similar objection!!  Why is this so hard to understand?

Instead Obama spent most of his time working for the US government writing books and getting paid handsomely for them.  The second 'real' job he's ever had.
Hmmm.  How many books did he write while he was President?

Granted, it'll be more than Trump has read, but you make it sound like that was his primary occupation, which is, as you well know, total BS.
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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #112 on: December 20, 2019, 06:29:48 pm »
Even if it is the 'normal' price for paying for rooms (280 dollars or whatever), it is still money that is being given back to the trumps, in heaps.  If no one stays in the rooms, they go unsold and they get nothing.  Is that so hard to understand?  He is using taxpayers' money and giving it back to himself and no matter how much northstar bangs on about him not collecting his 400 000 dollar salary, he is making tons more than that from staying in his own resorts and hotels. 
Yes because when Obama traveled around the country him and his security detail stayed at the Motel 6.  :rolleyes:


IF Obama owned Motel 6 I would have a similar objection!!  Why is this so hard to understand?

Instead Obama spent most of his time working for the US government writing books and getting paid handsomely for them.  The second 'real' job he's ever had.
Hmmm.  How many books did he write while he was President?

Granted, it'll be more than Trump has read, but you make it sound like that was his primary occupation, which is, as you well know, total BS.

Thought it was okay for me to add BS in here....I mean, it's 90% of the thread.....


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #113 on: December 21, 2019, 08:38:01 am »
Read all about it!!!!!!

November 4, 2020 newspaper headlines

TRUMP WINS

Democrats formally apply for stupidity license.


Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #114 on: December 21, 2019, 01:15:39 pm »
The Slaughtermeter is at 300%.

All the signs are there-
1) The Dems haven't coalesced around a single candidate and appear unlikely to do so
2) Any attempt to get them to do so will likely be bitter and acrimonious
3) Each of the candidates has at least 1 serious flaw which makes their chances against Trump uncertain (though certainly they can be competitive and win)

Remember, you don't have to run faster than the bear, you just have to run faster than the other guy

BONUS Trump's secret weapon- The guy has stuck incredibly close to his platform that he ran on. Now the results haven't matched his braggadocio (he's almost the dark Jimmy Carter), but he's pretty much attempted to do everything he ran on. This is rather unusual in American politics, where politicians are notorious for running on one thing and then doing another.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #115 on: December 21, 2019, 02:21:15 pm »
The Slaughtermeter is at 300%.

All the signs are there-
1) The Dems haven't coalesced around a single candidate and appear unlikely to do so
2) Any attempt to get them to do so will likely be bitter and acrimonious
3) Each of the candidates has at least 1 serious flaw which makes their chances against Trump uncertain (though certainly they can be competitive and win)

Remember, you don't have to run faster than the bear, you just have to run faster than the other guy

BONUS Trump's secret weapon- The guy has stuck incredibly close to his platform that he ran on. Now the results haven't matched his braggadocio (he's almost the dark Jimmy Carter), but he's pretty much attempted to do everything he ran on. This is rather unusual in American politics, where politicians are notorious for running on one thing and then doing another.

1) Dems never do. But look at Obama after beating Hillary.
2) See No.1. Look at the midterms for anti-Trump voting. Republicans are losing suburbia and can no longer count on the racist white vote.
3) Most of the remaining candidates beat Trump in National Polls and Battleground States.

Still waiting on Mexico paying for that wall...

Bonus edit: Look at the latest news where the Evangelicals are now crapping on Trump. Did they finally re-discover their morality?
« Last Edit: December 21, 2019, 02:24:31 pm by Savant »


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #116 on: December 21, 2019, 07:15:06 pm »
Manufacturing employment continues to fade. John Deere is laying off workers in many of their plants, casualties of trump's trade war. US Steel is closing its Detroit plant and laying off 1500 workers.

Small farmers are getting it in the neck.

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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #117 on: December 21, 2019, 07:27:25 pm »
Trump's impeachment - as fully known already to everyone - will end in the Senate and he will not be removed from office.  No one thinks there will be a 2/3 supermajority vote to convict Trump in the Senate.  Whether one thinks Trump SHOULD be removed is another question, but it's just simple math that this will not happen.

There is a very high likelihood that Trump will win again in 2020.  The Democrats will pretty much ensure this.  For one, they will almost certain nominate a candidate that can't win a general election.  Trump will easily be able to smear and paint their nominee as a Loony Left or SJW or Socialist extremist that doesn't share the values of the majority of the electorate.  Additionally, with the failed impeachment under his belt, Trump has that feather in his cap to refer to as proof that the Democrat's real love is power and politics and couldn't care less about actually solving problems.

I suppose if the economy tanked or the stock market dropped drastically, that might give the Democrats a shot.  Whether you want Trump to win or not, it's pretty likely he will win.  I think Yang's opening statement from this last PBS debate was a very honest assessment about why the Democrats lost in 2016 and will probably lose again in 2020.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #118 on: December 22, 2019, 10:05:54 am »
I love how Republicans are constantly banging on about how Democrats can't agree on a suitable candidate (How many of you were making similar critiques of Republicans during their primary season in 2015-16?) and that the eventual one will be unelectable. I guess the latter implies that they'll be too radical and will alienate moderate swing state voters.

Presumably you missed the news that many members of this sensible centrist bloc didn't vote for the experienced moderate candidate (Clinton) last time, and instead chose a foamy-mouthed conspiracy theorist with mafia ties who's spent half his life in court for defrauding people, and whose campaign platform consisted of such moderate favorites as a ban on all Muslims entering the United States and reviving Bush-era torture practices.

If what people really craved was a politician like John Kasich or Jeb Bush, they wouldn't have voted for Donald Trump.
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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #119 on: December 22, 2019, 02:04:37 pm »
"Trump supporters sure are dumb."
"No we're not, here let me regurgitate a bunch of braindead obvious propaganda that can be instantly disproved if you believe in reality."
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