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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #760 on: May 20, 2020, 08:28:41 am »
Democrats didn't take the House back with tweets.

Don the con's policies regarding the environment, governmental regulation, taxation, qualifications for federal appointees of all types, corruption, are  very, very different that then Dems.

You're starting to sound like a butthurt bernie bro.

"Don the con" and "butthurt bernie bro" in the same post. Damn, you're really pulling out all the stops.

There are certainly good people in the Democratic party who have excellent policies on all of the things you listed above. Biden, who the Democratic elite propped up, is not one of them.



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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #761 on: May 20, 2020, 09:42:03 am »
Well, Dimtri Shostakovic's music was from the early -mid 20th century.  Does that make his music any less relevant?

Holy diversion, Batman!


Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #762 on: May 20, 2020, 01:47:27 pm »
BS. Problems can be solved.

Corn grows plenty fast: http://www.corncamiowa.com/
You can't solve a problem that can only be solved by magic.

Conjuring up production capacity and the like instantaneously out of thin air is magical thinking. Your criticism of Trump is that he didn't practice magic.

You can criticize him on other stuff but the whole "Where are the test kits?" one is so monumentally stupid. Only an idiot would think the lack of testing kits is due to Trump and not logistical realities.


Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #763 on: May 20, 2020, 01:49:08 pm »
I'm not campaigning.
Supporters and surrogates are as much a part of the campaign as anything, whether you like it or not.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #764 on: May 20, 2020, 02:20:59 pm »
You can't solve a problem that can only be solved by magic.

Conjuring up production capacity and the like instantaneously out of thin air is magical thinking. Your criticism of Trump is that he didn't practice magic.

You can criticize him on other stuff but the whole "Where are the test kits?" one is so monumentally stupid. Only an idiot would think the lack of testing kits is due to Trump and not logistical realities.

If the virus is going to “magically disappear” then I’m sure Trump can magic up some testing kits.

Trump didn’t know anything about the testing capacity. “Everyone can get a test when they want” was a lie. But he didn’t care. There were supply chain problems because Trump didn’t do anything about it.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #765 on: May 20, 2020, 03:30:14 pm »
You can't solve a problem that can only be solved by magic.

Conjuring up production capacity and the like instantaneously out of thin air is magical thinking. Your criticism of Trump is that he didn't practice magic.
it would be funny how you always get things exactly backward, if it weren't so tragic.  It is Trump and his followers who are magical thinkers:  "It's going to disappear"  and we're going to have a vaccine very very soon and anyone who wants a test ... are textbook examples of magical thinking. 

Those of us complaining about the lack of tests are the opposite of magical thinkers!  WE KNOW stuff doesn't appear/disappear magically, that's why you have to give the needed money to HHS back in early February.  Azars came out of a WH meeting (Feb 5) livid that no one would give up money for masks and tests.

No one in the WH understands or cares about science, facts or reality.    It's magical thinking through and through.
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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #766 on: May 20, 2020, 05:49:44 pm »
it would be funny how you always get things exactly backward, if it weren't so tragic.  It is Trump and his followers who are magical thinkers:  "It's going to disappear"  and we're going to have a vaccine very very soon and anyone who wants a test ... are textbook examples of magical thinking. 

Those of us complaining about the lack of tests are the opposite of magical thinkers!  WE KNOW stuff doesn't appear/disappear magically, that's why you have to give the needed money to HHS back in early February.  Azars came out of a WH meeting (Feb 5) livid that no one would give up money for masks and tests.

No one in the WH understands or cares about science, facts or reality.    It's magical thinking through and through.

Do you think flinging money to HHS would generate test kits in sufficiency?

Flinging money at things doesn't cause things to instantly happen. You can fling all the money you want at the corn, won't make it grow any faster.

And again, Trump was at the nadir of his authority and political capital as he was just coming out of impeachment.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #767 on: May 20, 2020, 06:49:44 pm »
Do you think flinging money to HHS would generate test kits in sufficiency?

Oooh, "in sufficiency", huh?  How about some is better than none, okay?

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Flinging money at things doesn't cause things to instantly happen. You can fling all the money you want at the corn, won't make it grow any faster.

The master of the inapt comparison at it again, I see.  Corn, in case you didn't know, is almost entirely dependent on "Mother Nature" to grow--genes, rain, sunshine, stuff like that.  Factory production is quite a different phenomenon, isn't it?  In 2012, FMC produced 367 vehicles per hour, day and night.  (And, yes, I'm aware of things like supply chains, factory floors and workers--presumably so is Trump, and he promised in mid-March that anyone who wanted a test could get one.)

You can't possibly be suggesting that with sufficient will and government leadership, the US of A couldn't produce masks and test kits?  Oh, and of course it needed money!  Money that was readily available for the flinging!  The problem lies at the feet of the leadership, whose magical thinking led them to ignore science and facts, and rely on "magical thinking"--it's just bizarre how exactly backward you have got this.   

You say they couldn't do it--how the hell do you know?  They didn't even try!

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And again, Trump was at the nadir of his authority and political capital as he was just coming out of impeachment.

Oh, this old canard again?  Give it a rest.  His authority was still *checks the Constitution* that of the President of the United States with (alas) bigly control of the executive branch.  Capable of moving mountains if he so wished (that's almost a metaphor), but he didn't wish.  He spent February golfing, hate-tweeting and holding rallies.  They squandered (except for a porous China ban) all of February and March in sit-on-their-hands complacency until the cases really shot up at the end of March.  This was no surprise to anyone outside the magic circle of preferential (and presidential) ignorance.

You seriously don't think that six weeks is enough time for the whole US to have made great strides in testing?  Really?  2012 FMC put out 350,000 whole entire cars in that time!

Circling back to making corn grow faster, I guess you never heard of the Green Revolution, huh?
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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #768 on: May 20, 2020, 07:29:40 pm »
Oooh, "in sufficiency", huh?  How about some is better than none, okay?
We don't have none. We have some. We have had some. How do we think we identified cases?

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You can't possibly be suggesting that with sufficient will and government leadership, the US of A couldn't produce masks and test kits?
Yes I am. Those supplies are being competed for across the entire world. Much of our manufacturing infrastructure, particularly for medical goods, has been outsourced to China. You can't just round up 500,000 laborers and tell them to work day and night to build a mask factory. This is before we get to all the red tape and regulations that SCIENTISTS say we need to ensure safety and quality. The other problem is that during the outbreak, demand for other drugs and medical products doesn't cease.

People compare this to WWII, but the production shift for WWII did not happen overnight. It had years of runup through Lend Lease and even then it wasn't until 1943 that industry really started cranking. The U.S was in desperate need of aircraft carriers. This was known as soon as the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941. Losses during the Pacific Campaigns of 1942 meant that at the end of the year, the U.S. was down to two carriers- the heavily damaged Enterprise and the Saratoga. This was during WWII when we had a massive industrial base and much less regulation. They finally got a replacement for the losses of Lexington, Yorktown, Hornet, and Wasp on the very last day of 1942, December 31st when Essex was commissioned.

Sorry, I know you have this FANTASY of some great leader being able to just bark some orders and stuff magically happening, but that's just not how it works. Stuff takes time. You can't magically conjure things up.

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They squandered (except for a porous China ban) all of February and March in sit-on-their-hands complacency until the cases really shot up at the end of March.  This was no surprise to anyone outside the magic circle of preferential (and presidential) ignorance.
You know this applies to virtually every leader in the Western World, right? First, they tried to contain it within China.

Also, you're ignoring the fog of war and engaging in the "Hindsight is 20/20" fallacy. Remember at the time, as far as people knew, this might have just been another SARS or H1N1 or MERS. Would you have ordered an entire shutdown of the economy and nationalized industry over those? How did you know this one would be different? It didn't start to really become apparent until you saw what happened in Italy and the overwhelmed infrastructure.

Mr. C, I don't think you really grasp how hard it is to make these decisions when you are in the big chair, in charge of a large organization, and there is a tremendous amount of risk involved. There's a reason all the leaders in the West acted similarly- they did the "rational" thing at the time. You say "listen to the experts". You do realize there are experts and scientists in every field telling you 50 different things, right? You do realize even scientific and medical opinion on this was not unified, right?

Question Mr. C- Who would lead the production of masks under your government order? Let's see your brilliant decision making skills. Pretty sure you're going to eff this one up. Or maybe you can try the testing kit one.
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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #769 on: May 20, 2020, 07:43:52 pm »
More schizophrenic  diarrhea from the masterbaiter:

1) Inane history reference.
2) Deflect everything from Trump's non-actions.
3) Expert on big company management i.e. he once worked at a Detroit Wendy's.
4) Whataboutism - other leaders did it, too.


Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #770 on: May 20, 2020, 07:53:37 pm »
More schizophrenic  diarrhea from the masterbaiter:

1) Inane history reference.
2) Deflect everything from Trump's non-actions.
3) Expert on big company management i.e. he once worked at a Detroit Wendy's.
4) Whataboutism - other leaders did it, too.
1) To give context to the difficulty of mass production
2) Provide context and counterpoint
3) I'm not an expert, but anyone with a lick of sense and even touching such decision making knows what a complicated process it is.
4) You judge people based on the standards of their peers, not the standard of perfection. It's why in courts "what a reasonable person would have done" is used as the standard, not the 20/20 perfect hindsight standard.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #771 on: May 20, 2020, 08:11:02 pm »
"Don the con" and "butthurt bernie bro" in the same post. Damn, you're really pulling out all the stops.

who the Democratic elite propped up

So butthurt bernie bro it is.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #772 on: May 20, 2020, 08:14:29 pm »
You can't solve a problem that can only be solved by magic.

Conjuring up production capacity and the like instantaneously out of thin air is magical thinking. Your criticism of Trump is that he didn't practice magic.

You can criticize him on other stuff but the whole "Where are the test kits?" one is so monumentally stupid. Only an idiot would think the lack of testing kits is due to Trump and not logistical realities.
Nope.

There's no conjuring to this. It's just hard work by competent professionals. 

How's the corn coming?


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #773 on: May 20, 2020, 08:15:47 pm »
Supporters and surrogates are as much a part of the campaign as anything, whether you like it or not.
Just because you see yourself as campaigning for dishonest don, doesn't mean others post here for that purpose.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #774 on: May 20, 2020, 08:21:00 pm »
1) To give context to the difficulty of mass production
2) Provide context and counterpoint
3) I'm not an expert, but anyone with a lick of sense and even touching such decision making knows what a complicated process it is.
4) You judge people based on the standards of their peers, not the standard of perfection. It's why in courts "what a reasonable person would have done" is used as the standard, not the 20/20 perfect hindsight standard.
A reasonable person would have read the intelligence reports and listened to his advisors and rolled up his or her sleeves to find and implement solutions to an obviously grave situation. trump poo-poohed the problem while Americans began to fall like autumn leaves.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #775 on: May 21, 2020, 08:14:06 am »
So butthurt bernie bro it is.

Keep trying to peg everyone who recognizes your candidate is trash in childish 2-word phrases, I'm sure that will get your party very far politically.
You really are gunning for 2016 the sequel.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #776 on: May 21, 2020, 08:24:11 am »
You think anything you, gogators, or anyone else types on this site will make any difference at all regarding the outcome of 2020 election? It won't. So many vote that the odds of swinging it one way or the other are nil. Better to ignore politics for your own sanity. You're free to do whatever you want, but it's wise to at least consider whether the investment is a good use of time.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #777 on: May 21, 2020, 08:58:21 am »
You think anything you, gogators, or anyone else types on this site will make any difference at all regarding the outcome of 2020 election? It won't. So many vote that the odds of swinging it one way or the other are nil. Better to ignore politics for your own sanity. You're free to do whatever you want, but it's wise to at least consider whether the investment is a good use of time.

Obviously I don't think that this thread  is going to have any impact on the election lol.

But what gogators typed and their general attitude is indicative of a wider trend with liberals. You can see this in full force on blue checkmark twitter, where mainstream media pundits applaud Pelosi for doing performative shit like calling Trump fat, ripping up his speech, etc. as she simultaneously helps block Medicare-for-all and gives him a larger military budget than he even asked for. And that absolutely does matter simply because it allows people to be fake progressives while also being actively detrimental towards progressive causes.

Admittedly, pointing that out here probably doesn't do anything either, but I like to call it out when I see it nonetheless.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #778 on: May 21, 2020, 09:05:21 am »
Obviously I don't think that this thread  is going to have any impact on the election lol.

But what gogators typed and their general attitude is indicative of a wider trend with liberals. You can see this in full force on blue checkmark twitter, where mainstream media pundits applaud Pelosi for doing performative shit like calling Trump fat, ripping up his speech, etc. as she simultaneously helps block Medicare-for-all and gives him a larger military budget than he even asked for. And that absolutely does matter simply because it allows people to be fake progressives while also being actively detrimental towards progressive causes.

Admittedly, pointing that out here probably doesn't do anything either, but I like to call it out when I see it nonetheless.


They are not "liberals"....how can the spirit of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness be associated with baby-killers, the party of slavery, KKK and J.C. laws? 

..baffling.



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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #779 on: May 21, 2020, 09:13:46 am »
They are not "liberals"....how can the spirit of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness be associated with baby-killers, the party of slavery, KKK and J.C. laws? 

 :laugh: at least one of those was close? the rest is like a middle schooler's response after discovering that lincoln was a republican