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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #360 on: March 23, 2020, 02:44:45 pm »
No one is saying it isn't a serious crisis. But that doesn't mean you have to run around waving your arms and screaming. We're going to get through this. Trump may have been a little slow at the start, but now that things are underway he's found his footing and is generally doing well.

And here we are back at the point where you can only post in extremes that fit your wrong-headed narrative.   'We're going to get through it' is just the kind of stock, BS, unempathetic phrase that makes you think you've understood the situation but you really haven't.  It's like if you're grieving, and someone says 'it'll be okay'.  I know it'll be okay, but that kind of crap is not needed at the moment, it just seems like you've understood.  trump going up and saying it'll be okay shows just that.  He doesn't care about anyone, why should he be empathetic.  He doesn't care.  First, it was the 'hoax', then there is only fifteen poeple and that'll go down, then we'll get through this, then when the markets went to shit he panicked because he then has nothing to show for his 'hoax' presidency, then he went on to calling it the Chinese Virus (which is so him, first deny, then blame on someone else, as is his pattern why else would he put pence in charge or tell governors that it's up to them to buy ventilators and other equipment), now we're onto lying about masks and equipment actually being available.  His press conference are full of lies.  I'm pretty sure 3 or 4 weeks ago he mentioned that 'anyone who wants a test can get one'.  You know words have meaning.  What kind of false hope is that for Americans?  It's dangerous, inept and false and people will lose their lives because of it.  If I remember rightly, you're a bit of a fan of eugenics.  Saying 'we'll get through this' stinks of someone who feels that the popuation could do with thinning out a bit. 


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #361 on: March 23, 2020, 02:45:49 pm »
No one is saying it isn't a serious crisis.

Well, Republicans are, as the polls show.
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But that doesn't mean you have to run around waving your arms and screaming.

Indeed not.  And I don't see anyone that is.  Most of them are urging people to take proper precautions, which some others characterize wrongly as "running around waving your arms and screaming."
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 We're going to get through this. Trump may have been a little slow at the start, but now that things are underway he's found his footing and is generally doing well.

That's just hopeless.  Tell the doctors STILL w/o testing capability and scandalous shortages of PPE, respirators, etc.
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Do I like his sarcastic comment about Romney? Not really, but I also think it's irrelevant, yet anti-Trumpers treat it like it's going to cause some actual catastrophe.

No, they're not.  They're just calling out Trump for being such an enormous "asshoe".
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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #362 on: March 23, 2020, 02:54:15 pm »
Trump may have been a little slow at the start, but now that things are underway he's found his footing and is generally doing well.
what does this even mean? in what way has he "found his footing"? this is meaningless. he blocked travel from china in january and then declared victory (while downplaying the risk). now, he's shitting his proverbial pants because every monday his beloved stock market does it's best vertical line impression.


Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #363 on: March 23, 2020, 02:57:43 pm »
That's just hopeless.  Tell the doctors STILL w/o testing capability and scandalous shortages of PPE, respirators, etc.
Yes, in a large nation with dispersed facilities, shortages are going to happen somewhere.

You do realize during stressful situations like this, war, etc. There are likely to be shortages of something, somewhere, right? Every hospital in the world right now probably believes they have a shortage of something that relates to this. Any large organization will have shortages. The question is, are the people in charge acting to limit those and direct resources to those with the highest need. Now we've heard a lot of varying reports ranging from positive ones from Gavin Newsome, mixed-positive from Cuomo, to negative from the Gov. of Illionis. So we'll see. But logistics and supply are a thing.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #364 on: March 23, 2020, 03:12:11 pm »
But logistics and supply are a thing.
… that this administration has mishandled at every step along the way.
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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #365 on: March 24, 2020, 12:03:24 am »
He's found his footing? LOL.

He's re-tweeting idiotic ranting from fox host steve hilton.  He's turned what should be briefings from expert medical personnel into a campaign sideshow.

You're not a member of that church were the pastor said he had 50 members willing to lick the floor of the sanctuary to prove covid-19 was a hoax, are you? Your posts are that ridiculous.

And I'm pretty sure you're on the verge of topping your nonsensical defense of the Sewol ferry captain. Kudos!


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #366 on: March 24, 2020, 03:07:08 am »
No one is saying it isn't a serious crisis. But that doesn't mean you have to run around waving your arms and screaming. We're going to get through this. Trump may have been a little slow at the start, but now that things are underway he's found his footing and is generally doing well.

United States Coronavirus Cases: 41,569
Deaths: 504


If this is doing well,  I'd hate to see what his utter f**K ups look like!



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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #367 on: March 24, 2020, 04:46:28 am »
Considering America's huge population that's pretty good. For now at least. Might get worse.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #368 on: March 24, 2020, 04:57:58 am »
Considering America's huge population that's pretty good. For now at least. Might get worse.
You like rankings.

US is now no. 3 in covid-9 cases behind China and Italy and in many places testing has just really begun.

It's getting worse--no might about it.


Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #369 on: March 24, 2020, 08:07:17 am »
… that this administration has mishandled at every step along the way.

And that has continued today with another of trump's faux-rallies.

After saying 'The hardship will end.  It will end soon.  This is not a country that was built for this.  It was not built to be shut down'.  He said that life will return to normal a lot faster than the three or four months some have projected.  Well, I trust him, he's never been wrong before.   :rolleyes:

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Dr Anthony Fauci, the head of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, is absent.

David Smith is in the White House briefing room, and just asked President Trump, “Where is Dr. Fauci?”

“I was just with him,” Trump said, explaining that Fauci was “at a task force meeting.”

David Smith asked Trump if Fauci agreed with him about the need to re-start the economy.

“He doesn’t not agree,” Trump said. “He understands there’s a tremendous cost to our country.”
Weeping Jesus.  The one guy people trust during this doesn't attend the press conference because trump is focussing on starting the economy again and he didn't want to stand in the background while science is overlooked for making money. 

If proof were ever needed that trump is making this much much worse.  Cool thing is, as Kushner is taking 'an entrepreneurial approach' to the coronavirus.  Always money to be made in times of crisis, and to think that guy who bought all the sanitiser, pre-virus, was nailed to the post.  That is what America stands for.   And now there is this 'rescue' package from the republicans which would more money to big business disguising it as helping the public.  And the Democrats are being made out to be the bad guys.  Totally fukced up. 


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #370 on: March 24, 2020, 08:32:06 am »
And that has continued today with another of trump's faux-rallies.

After saying 'The hardship will end.  It will end soon.  This is not a country that was built for this.  It was not built to be shut down'.  He said that life will return to normal a lot faster than the three or four months some have projected.  Well, I trust him, he's never been wrong before.   :rolleyes:
Weeping Jesus.  The one guy people trust during this doesn't attend the press conference because trump is focussing on starting the economy again and he didn't want to stand in the background while science is overlooked for making money. 

If proof were ever needed that trump is making this much much worse.  Cool thing is, as Kushner is taking 'an entrepreneurial approach' to the coronavirus.  Always money to be made in times of crisis, and to think that guy who bought all the sanitiser, pre-virus, was nailed to the post.  That is what America stands for.   And now there is this 'rescue' package from the republicans which would more money to big business disguising it as helping the public.  And the Democrats are being made out to be the bad guys.  Totally fukced up. 
Ah, relax.  As soon as he's finished rewriting the dictionary, Martin will be along to explain how great Trump is doing, we'll get through this, and you just don't understand how things work.
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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #371 on: March 24, 2020, 08:43:28 am »
Have you seen the new season of Dirty Money on Netflix? The Kushner episode is a serious eye-opener. I didn't like the guy before, but the predation on low-income renters of Kushner properties through dodgy fees and lawsuits, along with "construction harassment" to force indirect evictions, are utterly shocking, worse than I could've imagined. Remember that anyone who votes for Trump is voting to empower Kushner even further. And Stephen Miller, for that matter - a man who (while working for the Trump campaign) trawled white supremacist websites for stories and rumors to seed to Breitbart, believing they would bolster support for Trump. That guy now has a tax-payer funded federal job, and voters for Trump will increase his influence in American life.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #372 on: March 24, 2020, 12:30:58 pm »
US is now no. 3 in covid-9 cases

It's the third most populous country so is that surprising?
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Top five countries for coronavirus deaths:

Italy: 6,077
China: 3,277
Spain: 2,311
Iran: 1,812
France: 860


Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #373 on: March 24, 2020, 12:33:47 pm »
United States Coronavirus Cases: 41,569
Deaths: 504


If this is doing well,  I'd hate to see what his utter f**K ups look like!
How well is he doing compared to Macron, Conte, BoJo, Merkel and Sanchez? Better than some of them for sure.

Smart people judge someone against what another person would have done under similar circumstances and since our response is rather similar to those of the rest of the western world, Trump is somewhere in the average of responses.

Stupid people judge someone compared to an imaginary ideal where hindsight is 20/20 and someone is capable of making perfect decisions. Are you smart or stupid?


Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #374 on: March 24, 2020, 12:36:22 pm »
With the USA having 34,000 cases of COVID-19, after Trump destroyed the Global Health Security Team and cutback on the CDC,
he does not deserve another chance at all. Mitt Romney is now self-isolating and all Trump could do is mock his own fellow
Republican. Mitt Romney was right, Trump is a phony, and he need to be voted out of office this November.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #375 on: March 24, 2020, 12:37:28 pm »
One reason Americans are dying of coronavirus at a lower rate is the United States has better air quality. Meaning it's easier / more likely to withstand a lung infection.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #377 on: March 24, 2020, 12:52:45 pm »
With the USA having 34,000 cases of COVID-19, after Trump destroyed the Global Health Security Team and cutback on the CDC,
he does not deserve another chance at all. Mitt Romney is now self-isolating and all Trump could do is mock his own fellow
Republican. Mitt Romney was right, Trump is a phony, and he need to be voted out of office this November.
What exactly would have prevented this from happening? Given the asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19, the only way this would have been prevented from entering the US is for an instant travel shutdown the second news of this disease was available. This would of course, have been politically impossible and gotten the administration accused of panicking and racism. Since it was happening during impeachment, it would have been seen as Trump deflecting and creating a new crisis to distract from the proceedings.

The alternative would have been mass testing of every single person who entered the United States and them being immediately quarantined upon entry for 21 days. This would be logistically impossible and again, would be accused of xenophobia and racism. People cite Korea's mass testing but Korea has tested only something like 5.000 people out of 1 million. That's an incredibly small percentage. Their primary success has been with surveillance of people through their smartphones and purchase histories. Something that again, if the Trump administration were to use, would have been seen as totalitarian and an invasion of privacy by Americans or perhaps "stigmatizing the ill".

And then people ask, why didn't Trump take it more seriously? Well if you look at when every other European leader started taking it "seriously" it's the same time Trump did. Everyone was waiting to see if  China would contain this before completely grinding their economies to a halt. Was this going to be "the big one"? Or was it just going to be like Bird Flu or SARS? Grinding your economy to a halt is a really big step. It is a bell that's really hard to unring and you don't want to do it unless you are sure.

Bottom line: Rational people look at the circumstances and the choices available and conclude that the outcome we have now is the one we would have had, regardless of who is in charge. Stupid people think Trump should have had a magic crystal ball and taken steps that would have gotten him pilloried by the public and accused of being a tyrant madman. When asked what Trump should have done they say stupid things like "Well, not cut the CDC!!!!" Which had what effect exactly? How does that prevent transmission by asymptomatic carriers? Or things like "Had Masks!!!!" And the way you'd get enough Americans to wear them is??? or even "Have testing kits!!!!" And the way you get enough testing kits and administer them to exceed the gold standard of Korea is???

It's real easy to criticize when you aren't in command.


Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #378 on: March 24, 2020, 01:06:22 pm »
Also where were the Democrats during all of this? They didn't do much of anything either. They control the House. They could have done something. Instead they were focused on impeachment.


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Re: Trump will win in 2020
« Reply #379 on: March 24, 2020, 02:17:38 pm »
Democrats and European leaders weren't lying to the public, insulting politicians who were sounding the alarm and trying to provide care of their citizens (i.e., Inslee is a "snake"), flogging miracle cures, holding unhinged rallies in which they minimized the issue,  contradicting leading medical experts, tweeting insane nonsense and shouting at reporters who asked uncomfortable questions.

But I suppose that none of this matters, because we shouldn't take Trump literally.
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