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  • SanderB
  • Super Waygook

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    • June 02, 2018, 06:25:54 pm
    • Burning Oil Be Best
What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« on: April 30, 2019, 10:28:48 pm »
I have just watched 60 minutes' most recent report on this 'border crisis'
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/on-the-border-online-overdose-the-high-north/
and I was just wondering what the big deal is about, really. I could be misinformed, but the US isn't providing any financial support to these people as in Europe and afaik it is relatively empty compared to Europe, so there would be enough space for  millions of immigrants from South American countries.

These Spanish speaking people wouldn't find it hard to get adopted in the already existing Hispanic communities, are mostly Catholic and seemingly just want to find work, any type of work so why would you want to "completely shutdown the border"?

(Ties in with the Korean birthrate drops to an all time low thread)
« Last Edit: April 30, 2019, 10:31:34 pm by SanderB »
Fiat voluntas tua- What you want is allowed


  • JNM
  • The Legend

    • 4122

    • January 19, 2015, 10:16:48 am
    • Seoul, South Korea
Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2019, 11:04:00 pm »
Short answer: calling it a crisis is a political stunt.


Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2019, 12:44:12 am »
Situation is broken. You can't have mass unverified immigration into your country. It simply isn't sustainable. You need to restrict people to entry through legal means and legal locations and do so in a number that has been determined by a diverse panel of economists and the like to be manageable.

Also, I really despise people in gated communities who advocate for borderline unrestricted immigration when they don't have to deal with any of the costs or impacts. One thing I agree with is Trump making Sanctuary Cities put their money where their mouth is and bussing illegal immigrants to those places. It would be great if all those East Coast and West Coast lefties had to have migrant families move into their place. If you can't put up, shut up. Don't dump the problem off on other people because you don't want to have a guilty conscience.

Things like contiguous populations of ethnic minorities within neighboring nation-states that identify with their original bordering nation-state have a tendency to lead to social unrest and occasionally to armed conflict of varying levels.

All that being said, there's a healthy number of people from Mexico and the rest of Latin America that we can admit. No reason to freak out over Mexicans. But let's identify the correct number for sustainability and try and restrict ourselves to that.

Another good idea would be designating special border zones for entrance and development that could possibly turn into viable commercial and industrial zones themselves, serving as an "in-between" between the U.S. and our friends to the South.


Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2019, 07:10:05 am »
Short answer: calling it a crisis is a political stunt.

Yep.  trump and miller are just piling up the immigrants at the border, creating a problem that looks like World War Z, and then they will say only they can fix it.  Since when have any of trump's uneducated, kneejerk, problem-causing ideas ever worked? 


  • SanderB
  • Super Waygook

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    • June 02, 2018, 06:25:54 pm
    • Burning Oil Be Best
Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2019, 12:00:55 pm »
Oh good. Had there been a normal government with sound procedures then none of these horror scenes would have happened. Good.
Fiat voluntas tua- What you want is allowed


  • Piggydee
  • The Legend

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    • October 15, 2013, 07:32:43 am
    • South Korea
Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2019, 01:58:56 pm »
I think America needs to open up to those seeking to escape gang violence.  I don't support those who are actively climbing the wall or digging holes under the wall.  Try to come to America like any other refugee and those who want to live in America.  Honestly I think other Latin countries need to shelter the burden of taking in people who share their own language because often times the new comers to America who are from Latin American countries don't really do much to assimilate.  But I think if an immigrate is seeking refugee in America as long as the prove a legitimate claim then they should come to America.  People who are moving to America for jobs really aren't legit because Americans need jobs too. 


  • gogators!
  • The Legend

    • 3762

    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
    • Seoul
Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2019, 08:39:25 pm »
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Dems and even moderate repugs have been trying to pass legislation to fix the immigration situation in the US for decades now.  It's the far right who've kept that from happening. Now  that they're trump's bread and butter they're working to keep out anyone who doesn't fit the preferred demographic.

And trump's grandfather immigrated from Germany, on the run from military conscription. That last sounds awfully familiar.

miller seems to have been a loser in school who responded by becoming a reactionary, even though he's from a family of immigrants who practiced the chain immigration he rails against.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/stephen-miller-is-an-immigration-hypocrite-i-know-because-im-his-uncle-219351
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  • LIC
  • Super Waygook

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    • February 15, 2019, 04:39:00 pm
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Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2019, 10:28:02 pm »
From Piggydee:

 But I think if an immigrate is seeking refugee in America as long as the prove a legitimate claim then they should come to America.

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  • T_Rex
  • Adventurer

    • 60

    • April 23, 2019, 08:10:20 am
Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2019, 10:02:51 am »
A legal immigrant resents being lumped together with illegal immigrants. He says it's like lumping pharmacists and drug dealers together. He says illegal immigration hurts the economy. It lowers the wages of American workers. No other country has 12 million illegals and grants birthright citizenship. Australia and Canada, in contrast, prioritize immigrants jobs skills, good English, and a good education.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf2f5qYPmro

Democrats care more about power than they do about the welfare of the country.  More illegals coming to the US and having children equals more votes for them. So what if the average American has a harder time finding work or paying the bills ....


  • gogators!
  • The Legend

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
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Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2019, 08:36:54 pm »
A legal immigrant resents being lumped together with illegal immigrants. He says it's like lumping pharmacists and drug dealers together. He says illegal immigration hurts the economy. It lowers the wages of American workers. No other country has 12 million illegals and grants birthright citizenship. Australia and Canada, in contrast, prioritize immigrants jobs skills, good English, and a good education.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf2f5qYPmro

Democrats care more about power than they do about the welfare of the country.  More illegals coming to the US and having children equals more votes for them. So what if the average American has a harder time finding work or paying the bills ....
Plenty of studies show illegal immigrants help the economy. They do lower the wages of unskilled labor a percentage point or two. Get a high school education. The Census is having a hard time getting enough workers at $17.50 an hour plus mileage.

As for pharmacists and drug dealers, when it comes to oxycontin they were far too often one and the same.


  • T_Rex
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    • April 23, 2019, 08:10:20 am
Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2019, 11:17:20 am »
A legal immigrant resents being lumped together with illegal immigrants. He says it's like lumping pharmacists and drug dealers together. He says illegal immigration hurts the economy. It lowers the wages of American workers. No other country has 12 million illegals and grants birthright citizenship. Australia and Canada, in contrast, prioritize immigrants jobs skills, good English, and a good education.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf2f5qYPmro

Democrats care more about power than they do about the welfare of the country.  More illegals coming to the US and having children equals more votes for them. So what if the average American has a harder time finding work or paying the bills ....
Plenty of studies show illegal immigrants help the economy. They do lower the wages of unskilled labor a percentage point or two. Get a high school education. The Census is having a hard time getting enough workers at $17.50 an hour plus mileage.

As for pharmacists and drug dealers, when it comes to oxycontin they were far too often one and the same.
They increase economic inequality. Rich people get richer from being able to exploit cheaper labor. Poor citizens get poorer due to having to compete with illegal immigrants for jobs.


  • T_Rex
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    • April 23, 2019, 08:10:20 am
Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2019, 11:19:04 am »


Good point.


  • T_Rex
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    • April 23, 2019, 08:10:20 am
Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2019, 11:33:23 am »
I have just watched 60 minutes' most recent report on this 'border crisis'
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/on-the-border-online-overdose-the-high-north/
and I was just wondering what the big deal is about, really. I could be misinformed, but the US isn't providing any financial support to these people as in Europe and afaik it is relatively empty compared to Europe, so there would be enough space for  millions of immigrants from South American countries.

These Spanish speaking people wouldn't find it hard to get adopted in the already existing Hispanic communities, are mostly Catholic and seemingly just want to find work, any type of work so why would you want to "completely shutdown the border"?

(Ties in with the Korean birthrate drops to an all time low thread)
They burden US taxpayers in one way or another- free meals and accommodation at the border. Free education for their children at public schools. Free medical care at hospitals (when they just take off and don't pay their bills). It also costs a lot to incarcerate and deport them.

Back when many of my ancestors arrived in America immigration made more sense. Back then social welfare didn't exist and you were expected to come to America and pull your own weight. Much of America was unsettled at that time so it needed more people. Times have changed.


  • thunderlips
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • June 07, 2012, 10:01:55 am
    • South Korea
Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2019, 12:06:35 pm »
Big difference between illegal migrants and refugees too. This administration is actively subverting us law that allows for people to cross the border and apply for refugee status. Also the separation of families is abhorrent and criminal. Read any recent news article to confirm this fact. That along with the fact it cost $775 a day per person to hold them indefinitely should be a giant red flag that someone is benefiting greatly from the privatization of the holding areas.


Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2019, 01:23:00 pm »
These days "refugee"  is basically "I want to try and make it in America and my government is to the right of Bush or the left of Bernie and crime is a bit worse than Chicago, therefore I can claim oppressed status."


  • thunderlips
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • June 07, 2012, 10:01:55 am
    • South Korea
Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2019, 01:46:40 pm »
These days "refugee"  is basically "I want to try and make it in America and my government is to the right of Bush or the left of Bernie and crime is a bit worse than Chicago, therefore I can claim oppressed status."
.

Good point. Those kids deserved to be treated like animals.


Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2019, 02:24:11 pm »
These days "refugee"  is basically "I want to try and make it in America and my government is to the right of Bush or the left of Bernie and crime is a bit worse than Chicago, therefore I can claim oppressed status."

Wait, did Santa Claus just turn up with his rosy outlook on life?

Or is it the heartless non-American guy who feels the need to keep kicking people when they're down just to make himself feel better? 

Clue:  It's not A


Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2019, 03:06:55 pm »
Good point. Those kids deserved to be treated like animals.
Do you have an actual practical, budgeted solution to process and house 50-100,000 illegal immigrants and refugees per month? Set them up at the local bloody Holiday Inn right next to scenic No Man's Land along the Rio Grande? Just letting people walk in with no verification as to parental custody, birth records, criminal/fugitive status/etc.?

"Not X" is not a solution, it's an empty slogan. Same with what you wrote above. Either provide a practicable plan or quit complaining.

Besides, if one truly is a refugee, then the conditions in the centers should be an upgrade. If they aren't, they are free to leave and withdraw their petition for entry.


Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2019, 04:13:01 pm »
My thoughts are that it's yet another excuse for the resident white supremacists to defend fascism.
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Donald Trump is a lying sack of shit


  • gogators!
  • The Legend

    • 3762

    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
    • Seoul
Re: What are your thoughts on the current US migration issue?
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2019, 07:10:12 pm »
I have just watched 60 minutes' most recent report on this 'border crisis'
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/on-the-border-online-overdose-the-high-north/
and I was just wondering what the big deal is about, really. I could be misinformed, but the US isn't providing any financial support to these people as in Europe and afaik it is relatively empty compared to Europe, so there would be enough space for  millions of immigrants from South American countries.

These Spanish speaking people wouldn't find it hard to get adopted in the already existing Hispanic communities, are mostly Catholic and seemingly just want to find work, any type of work so why would you want to "completely shutdown the border"?

(Ties in with the Korean birthrate drops to an all time low thread)
They burden US taxpayers in one way or another- free meals and accommodation at the border. Free education for their children at public schools. Free medical care at hospitals (when they just take off and don't pay their bills). It also costs a lot to incarcerate and deport them.

Back when many of my ancestors arrived in America immigration made more sense. Back then social welfare didn't exist and you were expected to come to America and pull your own weight. Much of America was unsettled at that time so it needed more people. Times have changed.
Facts please. Not (at best) half-truths.