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  • NorthStar
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Trump and Taxes
« on: April 06, 2019, 09:44:29 am »
I'm more interested in how politicians that entered "public service" are now millionaires....I honestly could care less about the President's taxes.  Besides, I still would like to see more info on Barry's sealed college record(s) and an explanation as to why he as an American citizen received a Fulbright Scholarship. 

Oh well.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-democrats-keep-targeting-trump%E2%80%99s-tax-returns-50812


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April 4, 2019 Topic: Politics Region: Americas
Why Democrats Keep Targeting Trump’s Tax Returns

Do they contain evidence of illegal or simply embarrassing behavior?
by Hunter DeRensis


On Wednesday, the House Judiciary Committee, in a party-line vote, passed a resolution in favor of subpoenaing the full Mueller report. Attorney General William Barr has said the report could be released as soon as “mid-April,” with grand jury testimony, intelligence sources, and classified information redacted. House Democrats want the full report with no redactions to be made available to members of Congress, if not the public at-large. Republicans counter that it’s illegal for the Justice Department to release grand jury testimony and assert that Judiciary Chair Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) is asking Barr to break the law. Nadler has expressed his wish to work with Barr to get the full report without the use of a subpoena but threatened its use if his committee’s demands are not met.

The final skirmish from Wednesday is the one that will have the most staying power. While Chairman Nadler and House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff (D-CA) have been dominating the headlines, House Ways and Means Committee Chair Richard Neal (D-MA) has exploded onto the scene by announcing that his committee will seek to obtain President Donald Trump’s personal tax returns from the past six years, which the president has refused to divulge.

“Under the Internal Revenue Manual, individual income tax returns of a President are subject to mandatory examination, but this practice is IRS policy and not codified in the Federal tax laws. It is necessary for the Committee to determine the scope of any such examination and whether it includes a review of underlying business activities required to be reported on the individual income tax return,” said Neal’s letter to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

Neal emphasized that requesting Trump’s tax returns should not be interpreted as political maneuvering, but a step in the direction of revising the IRS’ oversight in the future. "My preparations were made on my own track and timeline, entirely independent of other activities in Congress and the administration. My actions reflect an abiding reverence for our democracy and our institutions, and are in no way based on emotion of the moment or partisanship. I trust that in this spirit, the IRS will comply with federal law and furnish me with the requested documents in a timely manner,” Neal told CNN.

On top of requesting Trump’s individual tax returns from 2013–2018, the committee is also requesting the tax returns for eight of his businesses from the same period. “Is that all?” the president said. “Usually it’s ten [years], so I guess they’re giving up.”

Will there be any evidence of Russian money laundering in Trump’s returns? While not publicly available, they’ve been in the IRS’ possession since before the presidential campaign and the agency has never brought forth any criminal activity. Neither did Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who it’s safe to assume walked down a similar investigatory path, find anything that could be considered proof of conspiracy with the Russian government.

President Trump’s tax returns, while not necessarily containing anything illegal, could prove to be embarrassing. The committee’s request specifically inquires if the returns have been under any audit, how long did the audit occur, and why did the IRS choose to audit in the first place. Since the beginning of the presidential campaign, Trump has claimed that his tax history was being audited and that it was not smart financially to release them at the time. He’s repeated this reasoning for almost three years, up to and including on Wednesday. “We’re under audit, despite what people said. And we’re working that out. I’m always under audit it seems. But I’ve been under audit for many years because the numbers are big and I guess when you have a name you’re audited,” said the president.

If the House Ways and Means Committee discovers that there was never an audit—as Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen has stated—that would be a sizable lie perpetuated by the president both during the campaign and while in office.   :shocked: The release of his tax returns could also provide other detractive details, such as Trump’s charitable donations and the size of his wealth, both of which critics claim he grossly inflates.

OK...well, if this happens, perhaps it would be prudent for the Senate Finance Committee to suggest that if the House  Ways and Means Committee wishes to go down this path, then it will seek out Dianne Feinstein's, Pelosi's, and anyone else in the top sphere of donors to the DNC (Soros included...in which case, his company sits on the CFR..mind boggling).
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  • Savant
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • April 07, 2012, 11:35:31 pm
Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2019, 10:41:51 am »
I'm more interested in how politicians that entered "public service" are now millionaires....I honestly could care less about the President's taxes.  Besides, I still would like to see more info on Barry's sealed college record(s) and an explanation as to why he as an American citizen received a Fulbright Scholarship. 

Oh well.

And that's why you're nothing but a partisan hack.


  • SanderB
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Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2019, 11:58:26 am »
...I honestly could care less

I couldn't care less


Please try to learn my language before you use it to hate others. :-*
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  • kangsheng
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    • Yongin
Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2019, 02:15:12 pm »
I'm more interested in how politicians that entered "public service" are now millionaires....I honestly could care less about the President's taxes.  Besides, I still would like to see more info on Barry's sealed college record(s) and an explanation as to why he as an American citizen received a Fulbright Scholarship. 

Oh well.

And that's why you're nothing but a partisan hack.

Sexist too, apparently.


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    • KR
Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2019, 02:31:19 pm »
I'm more interested in how politicians that entered "public service" are now millionaires....I honestly could care less about the President's taxes.  Besides, I still would like to see more info on Barry's sealed college record(s) and an explanation as to why he as an American citizen received a Fulbright Scholarship. 

Oh well.

And that's why you're nothing but a partisan hack.



Sexist too, apparently.

racist as well


  • NorthStar
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Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2019, 06:39:00 pm »
...as if the Pink Ladies here are doing something new.

http://www.thehoustonconservative.com/2011/04/liberal-playbook.html

 
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At great personal risk, I delved through the weighty tomes of liberal mysticism and wisdom.  By hook or crook, I finally found, revealed herein for the first time, the debate secrets encrypted in the Liberal Playbook.

[Personal note--I suppose this information could also have been gleaned simply from listening to the inane babble in which liberals invariably engage when debating politics, but, after all, a man is only capable of enduring so much pain, and doing so would have been torture--WM].

Read these at your own risk, as your brain may fry from the heady thoughts therein contained.

"Know Ye All Liberals-These Be the Ancient Secrets of Our Tribe’s Debating Techniques.
May Any Who Reveal These Secrets to the Conservatives Be Struck Dumb
[Personal note--Judging from this curse, I can only conclude that most Liberals have at some time leaked this information to a Conservative. WM]

1. Avoid attempting to use factual arguments; the facts usually against you anyway.

2. If for some obscure reason the facts actually fall your way (an extremely rare occurrence) then repeat them endlessly regardless of the reply of your conservative opponent. Remember time is limited, use this against him.

3. Get as personal and vicious as you can, maybe it will distract your opponent from his train of thought.

4. If you are unable to insult him with the usual insults such as 'racist', 'homophobe', or 'bigot', then insult someone else on his side (someone related to the subject under discussion is preferable but not required).

5. When you're losing, and you usually will be, abruptly change the subject. Again the object of this is to distract and deflect attention from your opponent's argument.

6. Talk loudly and rapidly, don't allow your opponent to get a word in. Remember the more time you consume, the less time your opponent will have.

7. Use hyperbole as an example of your opponent's argument and suggest that that is what they are suggesting.

8. Purposely misunderstand what is being said by your opponent and distort it into something you can use.

9. Make up 'facts' most people don't check them and anyway, you'll be long gone by the time the truth is known, and so will the audience.

10. Expect perfection. Focus on the slightest flaw in your opponent's argument, any kind of mistake, grammatical, orthographicl, contextual, anything no matter how slight is sufficient to deflect attention away from how vacuous your arguments are.

11. Act insulted. Take umbrage at the slightest contradiction and act as if it is a personal insult. This will make your personal attack seem warranted and just.

12. Mug the camera or audience while your opponent is speaking, make faces, sneering is good, head-shaking better, and looking toward the ceiling is best [notice the avoidance of the word Heaven, Liberals avoid words of a religious nature WM]. Let the audience know you disagree with your opponent (even if you’ve no idea what he’s saying)

13. Use condescending laughter as much as you can. It serves two purposes, first, it dismisses your opponent as being unworthy of your respect and second, it shows your contempt for his arguments. This is a very powerful tool and can really annoy your opponent and disrupt his train of thought.

14. You’re an arrogant Liberal; demonstrate your obvious intellectual superiority by acting in a condescending manner.

15. Forget how many of the wealthiest in this nation are Liberals, always beat the drum of “Rich Republicans” and “working class Democrats.”

16. Finally, always remember style trumps substance. Know it, Live it.
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  • NorthStar
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Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2019, 10:39:47 pm »
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While not publicly available, they’ve been in the IRS’ possession since before the presidential campaign and the agency has never brought forth any criminal activity. Neither did Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who it’s safe to assume walked down a similar investigatory path, find anything that could be considered proof of conspiracy with the Russian government.


  • Mr C
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2019, 12:24:24 am »
I'm more interested in how politicians that entered "public service" are now millionaires....I honestly could care less about the President's taxes.  Besides, I still would like to see more info on Barry's sealed college record(s) and an explanation as to why he as an American citizen received a Fulbright Scholarship. 

So, you think that US citizens somehow aren't eligible for a Fulbright scholarship?  I'm not surprised … you're not exactly a Fulbright candidate, eh?

So, you think Obama's college records are sealed? They're not public, nor are anyone's: https://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/ ... and I bet you're glad of that.
</attacks on OP's ignorance>

Donald Trump maintains that the key reason he is qualified for the job of US President is his extreme level of competence/brilliance as a businessman.  Despite this apparent prowess, he has declared bankruptcy numerous times, including failing at running a casino.  It's a wonder to me that you have little interest in his sources of income, considering that they're not particularly likely to come from business skills that led him to repeated bankruptcy.

Surprisingly for someone who appears to support Mr Trump, you are uninterested in learning about how well he is doing economically, but more interested the acumen of his political rivals.

No, you only care (understandably) whether or not he is a crook and a thief ... and seem to take it as read the Mueller report exonerates him.  Maybe it does, but let me remind you (or inform you, since you probably don't know) that the first time President Nixon released his taxes as president, the IRS was so pleased with the paperwork that they sent him a letter congratulating him (their boss) on what a great job he had done on his 1040s!

It turns out, though, that after a second pass during that embarrassing Watergate stuff, he actually owed $432,787 in back taxes.  Just sayin'.

And this is why Nixon was the last president until Trump to not release his tax filings.  Hmmm.


  • SanderB
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Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2019, 01:10:49 am »
Just saying, why are you 'teaching' a langwichi on in at of who you is mastery nono? Like you are really good at not knowing any grammatical fundamentals. Less quoting huge pieces of drab self-lamentation, more actual writing might help.

 ;D
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  • SanderB
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Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2019, 01:15:23 am »
I see what you are trying to do and you make some interesting points.
Let's try to salvage this thread. What do you think of Eurydice or organic pancakes?
Fiat voluntas tua- What you want is allowed


  • NorthStar
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Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2019, 08:53:07 am »
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5. When you're losing, and you usually will be, abruptly change the subject. Again the object of this is to distract and deflect attention from your opponent's argument




  • Savant
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    • April 07, 2012, 11:35:31 pm
Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2019, 11:29:38 am »
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5. When you're losing, and you usually will be, abruptly change the subject. Again the object of this is to distract and deflect attention from your opponent's argument

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1. Avoid attempting to use factual arguments; the facts usually against you anyway.


  • pit23
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    • KR
Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2019, 03:43:36 pm »
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5. When you're losing, and you usually will be, abruptly change the subject. Again the object of this is to distract and deflect attention from your opponent's argument




quote all the articles you want. your still a racist.


  • NorthStar
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Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2019, 04:15:41 pm »
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5. When you're losing, and you usually will be, abruptly change the subject. Again the object of this is to distract and deflect attention from your opponent's argument




quote all the articles you want. your still a racist.

How so? 
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  • NorthStar
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Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2019, 06:12:04 pm »
yep...there ya have it.

The battle cry of the mentally derelict.."racist" (along with a few others).

Anyway....back to reality.

It would do much good to have the entire Senate and House audited, as many of them now have millions, working in public service.  Interesting point...President Trump does not accept the presidential salary, afforded his office.


  • SanderB
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Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2019, 07:38:03 pm »
un mondo senza piu violenza et solo di crepe crema et blueberry  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRmn9XzmLx0&feature=youtu.be&t=142

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Fiat voluntas tua- What you want is allowed


Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2019, 08:02:56 am »
Dude, I get if you don't care for full page rambling rants by RWers. But can you not spam the site with complete irrelevant nonsense? Just let this thread die.


  • gogators!
  • The Legend

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    • Seoul
Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2019, 01:41:13 am »
I like the Original Pancake House , although it's pricey for what you get.  The original grand slam at Denny's is a much better deal.


  • SanderB
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Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2019, 04:35:39 am »
wow, Americans are the best at this!

Fiat voluntas tua- What you want is allowed


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    • Seoul
Re: Trump and Taxes
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2019, 11:08:19 am »
wow, Americans are the best at this!


That might be ronnie's omelette.