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Re: Liam Neeson guilty of 40 year old thoughtcrime
« Reply #120 on: February 11, 2019, 08:51:34 am »
Any time a black person is killed/attacked by a white one, you can draw up some similarities with lynching, slavery or the KKK. Is there really any point to doing this? Apart from keeping old grievances alive and race baiting?

If you think it's OK, great but don't complain when they do something similar with Muslims.
Well I do think there are some similarities worth examining. Now granted, this is complicated by the fact that we're talking Ireland here and not America.

However, there is a history in America, that while it has pretty much died down, did exist relatively recently where something like a rape could be the trigger for significant racial violence and the mentality that led to that.

Like I said, it is more similar to tribal violence than Jim Crow, but that doesn't mean that similarities and differences to Jim Crow shouldn't be considered and discusses.


Re: Liam Neeson guilty of 40 year old thoughtcrime
« Reply #121 on: February 11, 2019, 09:42:31 am »
Any time a black person is killed/attacked by a white one, you can draw up some similarities with lynching, slavery or the KKK. Is there really any point to doing this? Apart from keeping old grievances alive and race baiting?

If you think it's OK, great but don't complain when they do something similar with Muslims.
Well I do think there are some similarities worth examining. Now granted, this is complicated by the fact that we're talking Ireland here and not America.

However, there is a history in America, that while it has pretty much died down, did exist relatively recently where something like a rape could be the trigger for significant racial violence and the mentality that led to that.

Like I said, it is more similar to tribal violence than Jim Crow, but that doesn't mean that similarities and differences to Jim Crow shouldn't be considered and discusses.

Interesting facts about Lynchings from Wikipedia

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4,743 people were lynched between 1882 and 1968 in the United States, including 3,446 African Americans and 1,297 whites.

You don't hear about those whites that often do you.

Another interesting statistic

Number of black people murdered in the US in 2017 - 7,851 (more than whites). That's in one year.

Maybe the left wing media should stop going on about things like lynching, slavery and the KKK quite so much and publish more articles on why homicide is the #1 cause of death for African-Americans in all age groups from 15 to 34

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/
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Re: Liam Neeson guilty of 40 year old thoughtcrime
« Reply #122 on: February 11, 2019, 10:14:14 am »
You don't hear about those whites that often do you.
Was the motivation for those lynchings ethnically based? Did it involve a system that denied whites the right to vote and enforced segregation? The fact that white people could be lynched by other whites does not invalidate the separate and distinct issues regarding Jim Crow lynchings which often had far lower standards of proof and could also trigger riots and other destruction.

While they are similar, there's enough distinction that "Why don't they talk about that???" Doesn't really apply.

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Number of black people murdered in the US in 2017 - 7,851 (more than whites). That's in one year.

Maybe the left wing media should stop going on about things like lynching, slavery and the KKK quite so much and publish more articles on why homicide is the #1 cause of death for African-Americans in all age groups from 15 to 34

You're falling into the same trap the left does when it talks illegal immigrants and crime. White Americans are far more likely to be the victim of other white Americans when it comes to crime. That doesn't mean that crime committed by illegal immigrants is not an issue simply because the rate is lower.

And yes, more emphasis should be focused on black-on-black crime, but that doesn't mean that racially-motivated violence isn't something to be concerned about as well.

People tend to have more tolerance for crime, failure, and mistakes if it's "their own people". When forces perceived as "outside" become involved, that tends to activate certain instincts present in every human regarding external dangers to family/tribe/group.


Re: Liam Neeson guilty of 40 year old thoughtcrime
« Reply #123 on: February 11, 2019, 10:19:54 am »
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And yes, more emphasis should be focused on black-on-black crime, but that doesn't mean that racially-motivated violence isn't something to be concerned about as well.


Not saying it isn't, that's why I used expressions like  'more articles' instead of 'exclusive articles.'

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You're falling into the same trap the left does when it talks illegal immigrants and crime. White Americans are far more likely to be the victim of other white Americans when it comes to crime. That doesn't mean that crime committed by illegal immigrants is not an issue simply because the rate is lower.


I don't get the analogy here, the rate of black on black crime is higher not lower. The crime rate of illegal immigrants is also higher- per capita. It's also a recent, external threat that can be preempted.  I'm not saying don't talk about this crime because this one over here also exists, I'm just saying get some perspective and stop raking over old coals
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Re: Liam Neeson guilty of 40 year old thoughtcrime
« Reply #124 on: February 11, 2019, 10:24:01 am »
You don't hear about those whites that often do you.
Was the motivation for those lynchings ethnically based? Did it involve a system that denied whites the right to vote and enforced segregation? The fact that white people could be lynched by other whites does not invalidate the separate and distinct issues regarding Jim Crow lynchings which often had far lower standards of proof and could also trigger riots and other destruction.
Not to detract from your wider point, but yes, occasionally they were -- mostly because they weren't the "right" kind of white.
   Irish, Italian (especially Sicilians), and various other (usually Catholic) demographics were often systematically discriminated against, and punished heavily for infractions that might otherwise have been ignored. This, unfortunately, included lynchings.


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Re: Liam Neeson guilty of 40 year old thoughtcrime
« Reply #125 on: February 11, 2019, 11:17:30 am »
Lynching was not originally racist. It was part of a pattern of violence that can be traced back to the most uncivilized areas of Great Britain.

"The violence for which white Southerners became most lastingly notorious was lynching. Like other aspects of the redneck and cracker culture, it has often been attributed to race or slavery. In fact, however, most lynching victims in the antebellum South were white. Economic considerations alone would prevent a slaveowner from lynching his own slave or tolerating anyone elseís doing so. It was only after the Civil War that the emancipated blacks became the principal targets of lynching. But, by then, Southern vigilante violence had been a tradition for more than a century in North America and even longer back in the regions of Britain from which crackers and rednecks came, where 'retributive justice' was often left in private hands. Even the burning cross of the Ku Klux Klan has been traced back to 'the fiery cross of old Scotland' used by feuding clans.....

"All the blacks lynched in the entire history of the United States do not add up to as many people as the number of Chinese slaughtered by mobs near Saigon in 1782, or the Jews killed by mobs in Central Europe in 1096 or in the Ukraine in 1648, much less the slaughters of Armenians by mobs in the Ottoman Empire during the 1890s or during the First World War. Only the Nazi Holocaust exceeded the slaughter of Armenians and, while the Holocaust was the ultimate catastrophe for Jews, it was also the culmination of a long history of lethal mass violence unleashed against middleman minorities around the world."
-Thomas Sowell



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Re: Liam Neeson guilty of 40 year old thoughtcrime
« Reply #126 on: February 11, 2019, 11:21:38 am »
You don't hear about those whites that often do you.
Was the motivation for those lynchings ethnically based? Did it involve a system that denied whites the right to vote and enforced segregation? The fact that white people could be lynched by other whites does not invalidate the separate and distinct issues regarding Jim Crow lynchings which often had far lower standards of proof and could also trigger riots and other destruction.
Not to detract from your wider point, but yes, occasionally they were -- mostly because they weren't the "right" kind of white.
   Irish, Italian (especially Sicilians), and various other (usually Catholic) demographics were often systematically discriminated against, and punished heavily for infractions that might otherwise have been ignored. This, unfortunately, included lynchings.

Ironic, as the term comes from an Irishman's name.




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Re: Liam Neeson guilty of 40 year old thoughtcrime
« Reply #128 on: February 11, 2019, 12:40:39 pm »
The crime rate of illegal immigrants is also higher- per capita.
Um, no, it isn't:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cefa9373196b

https://www.cato.org/blog/murder-mollie-tibbetts-illegal-immigrant-crime-facts

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is-illegal-immigration-linked-to-more-or-less-crime/
"The crime rate among illegal immigrants in Arizona is twice that of other residents, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Friday, citing a new report based on conviction data."
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/26/illegals-commit-crimes-double-rate-native-born-stu/

"The U.S. population is around 328 million. Itís estimated that about 11 million ó or one in 30 ó are illegal immigrants. Yet criminal aliens account for more than one in five federal prison inmates. Even assuming a pretty radical margin of error for the sake of argument, that would still mean illegal immigrants are drastically over-represented among the criminal population."
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/407312-one-in-five-us-prison-inmates-is-a-criminal-alien


Re: Liam Neeson guilty of 40 year old thoughtcrime
« Reply #129 on: February 11, 2019, 12:45:07 pm »
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The crime rate of illegal immigrants is also higher- per capita.
Um, no, it isn't:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cefa9373196b

https://www.cato.org/blog/murder-mollie-tibbetts-illegal-immigrant-crime-facts

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is-illegal-immigration-linked-to-more-or-less-crime/

There are not readily available nationwide statistics on all crimes committed by immigrants in the country illegally. Researchers have provided estimates through statistical modeling or by extrapolating from smaller samples. One such study backs the presidentís claim, but several others support Sandersí statement.

I'm not bothered about the political issue, by the way. Being from the UK, it doesn't matter to me if they do or don't.


Re: Liam Neeson guilty of 40 year old thoughtcrime
« Reply #130 on: February 11, 2019, 12:47:58 pm »

The crime rate of illegal immigrants is also higher- per capita.
Um, no, it isn't:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cefa9373196b

https://www.cato.org/blog/murder-mollie-tibbetts-illegal-immigrant-crime-facts

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is-illegal-immigration-linked-to-more-or-less-crime/

It's true that there is a lower rate, but there's also substantial underreporting because many of the victims are fellow illegal immigrants. I think both sides are sometimes selective in their data and facts they emphasize. The right fearmongers, and the left sometimes de-emphasizes real issues to paint an unrealistically utopian picture.


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Re: Liam Neeson guilty of 40 year old thoughtcrime
« Reply #131 on: February 11, 2019, 12:56:34 pm »
Every illegal alien has committed at least one crime.


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« Reply #132 on: February 11, 2019, 01:00:20 pm »
Every illegal alien has committed at least one crime.
So has everyone who sped or who bet $5 on the Super Bowl or drank underage.

What we're primarily concerned with are violent crime, sex crimes, theft and burglary, and other serious crimes. 


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Re: Liam Neeson guilty of 40 year old thoughtcrime
« Reply #133 on: February 11, 2019, 01:08:46 pm »
Every illegal alien has committed at least one crime.

Melania's was getting married to Donald Trump.


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Re: Liam Neeson guilty of 40 year old thoughtcrime
« Reply #134 on: March 22, 2019, 10:01:57 am »
Just read most the comments on BBC News Facebook page.  Far left twats circle jerking each other and preaching to the choir of each other.  No surprise for a lame story like this coming out of them.  Go troll the idiots.  Throw a wrench into their spokes.  Ha ha. 


Re: Liam Neeson guilty of 40 year old thoughtcrime
« Reply #135 on: March 22, 2019, 10:09:34 am »
Just read most the comments on BBC News Facebook page.  Far left twats circle jerking each other and preaching to the choir of each other.  No surprise for a lame story like this coming out of them.  Go troll the idiots.  Throw a wrench into their spokes.  Ha ha.

and you resurrected this a month later because..?