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  • T.J.
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Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« on: January 22, 2019, 12:13:43 pm »
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"There have been opinions that the quality of some native English teachers' teaching skills is low, which increases Korean teachers' workload," a KTU official reportedly said. "T


http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=262233

Surprised this hasnít been discussed yet.
"An ignorant person is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."

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Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2019, 12:23:57 pm »
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"There have been opinions that the quality of some native English teachers' teaching skills is low, which increases Korean teachers' workload," a KTU official reportedly said. "T


http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=262233

Surprised this hasnít been discussed yet.

It's difficult to comment without having examples of some low quality teaching skills they're complaining about.


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Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2019, 12:30:18 pm »
It's difficult to comment without having examples of some low quality teaching skills they're complaining about.

"They are bad because bad."

-Inept Korean English Teacher
The joys of fauxtherhood


Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2019, 12:41:20 pm »
It's difficult to comment without having examples of some low quality teaching skills they're complaining about.

"They are bad because bad."

-Inept Korean English Teacher

They probably mean they can't speak Korean.


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Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2019, 12:45:01 pm »
The KTU has a history of opposing NETs.

"On May 30 the Gyeonggi-do branch of the Korean Teachers and Educational Workers Union released a statement (translated by the Marmot, of course) saying that
'because the English camp sexual assaults are a structural problem brought on by unchecked native speakers, such incidents could potentially occur at any time.'

"As basis for their claims, the union cited a) the fact that any native speaker with a degree could become an instructor, regardless of their teaching qualifications; b) native speakers' relatively free attitudes about sex (and their expression of said attitudes); c) native speakersí lack of a sense of responsibility, since few feel they are answering a calling, but rather have as their goal to stay for a short time to experience Korean culture and build up their resumes."
http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2007/09/brief-history-of-scapegoating-english.html


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Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2019, 01:08:59 pm »
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"There have been opinions that the quality of some native English teachers' teaching skills is low, which increases Korean teachers' workload," a KTU official reportedly said. "T


http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=262233

Surprised this hasnít been discussed yet.

It's difficult to comment without having examples of some low quality teaching skills they're complaining about.

if it's anything like my old school, they give the students evaluation forms, and base it on that. because we all know teachers should be rated or evaluated by children.

"the teacher made us study", "the teacher didn't give us candy when we requested it", "the teacher told us off" - all reasons why i was graded low by some (elementary) students  :rolleyes:


Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2019, 01:27:44 pm »
Aren't there two main teachers unions? Do both hate us or just one?


Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2019, 01:42:21 pm »
Aren't there two main teachers unions? Do both hate us or just one?

yep two main ones.  ktu is the one that hates us


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Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2019, 01:49:14 pm »
Aren't there two main teachers unions? Do both hate us or just one?

yep two main ones.  ktu is the one that hates us

Pretty sure they both hate us. The KTU just does it whilst waving their red flags.


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Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2019, 12:16:19 am »
Its a three-year repeating cycle in Korea.


(A) Korean parents notice how poor KT's English skills are and demand NT's.

(B) Korean Govt recuits lots of NT's, but only hires the youngest, least qualified and least experienced people.

(C) KT's complain that NT's are too young, unqualified and inexperienced.

(D) The media launches a campaign demonizing NT's because they are too young, unqualified and inexperienced.

(E) Korean govt caves in and gets rid of loads of NT's. Back to (A).
Catch my drift?


Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2019, 08:29:23 am »
Aren't there two main teachers unions? Do both hate us or just one?

yep two main ones.  ktu is the one that hates us

Pretty sure they both hate us. The KTU just does it whilst waving their red flags.

So in other words the other one is the corrupt one that hates us because we aren't paying dues.


Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2019, 09:29:09 am »
I think Cynae's post might not be far wrong.

The actual quality of native speaking teachers like Korean teachers varies by quite a bit.

 


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Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2019, 10:13:52 am »
remove all ― if not reduce the number of ― native English teachers from elementary schools in Seoul.

Not middle, and high schools? Perhaps because a lot of middle/high school Kteachers treat it as a class off. At least for me, and I really don't mind honestly.


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Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2019, 10:28:03 am »
Middle and high were removed from Seoul years ago. All that remains is elementary.  :-[


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Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2019, 11:06:42 am »
Middle and high were removed from Seoul years ago. All that remains is elementary.  :-[
I know of a few teaching in Seoul area middle schools. They haven't removed them all.


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Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2019, 11:42:56 am »
I'm curious as to why Middle and High School was removed.  To me that's the time when (if they were learning English since elementary) they would really up their level.  Like at the elementary level you know we all just teach the bare basics, what's your name? Where are you going? What are you doing? Is this your coat? I like pizza....etc.  I often times wonder how my former 6th graders are doing.  I sometimes run into a few of them in the street.  One of them as improved 10 fold since I last taught her, while 2 of the other girls I taught seem to have forgotten everything including "how are you?"  Which not a shock to me as they weren't very good students in my class anyways.  :rolleyes:
« Last Edit: January 23, 2019, 12:26:46 pm by Piggydee »


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Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2019, 12:21:17 pm »
I'm curious as to why Middle and High School was removed.

Those kids are studying for their university entrance exam. No speaking part on that.


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Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2019, 12:51:17 pm »
 This explains the highly passive aggressive and deliberatly undermining behavour of certain co-teachers. While others are really chill and sit back and allow us to actually teach. I wonder how many in the anti -waygook camp fit the title of passive agressive and undermining?


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Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2019, 12:51:38 pm »
I'm curious as to why Middle and High School was removed.

Those kids are studying for their university entrance exam. No speaking part on that.

I would like to think that an educated someone somewhere advocated for early EFL education with NETs because it can help establish pronunciation and increase confidence, but sadly it is likely this instead...
수능 reigns supreme and the English section is outrageous "reading comorehension" for the most part.


Re: Korean teachers demand removal of native English speakers
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2019, 02:22:35 pm »
They're racist.