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Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #60 on: February 14, 2019, 12:49:03 pm »

They like working here...LIVING here is another story....they basically all commute from Ulsan or Busan.

Yep. Teaching in South Korea is an elite career. Most Korean teachers are going to prefer to live in a big city where there is lots of good food and where they can send their kids to good hagwons and good public schools. Not in a depressing rural area where all the food is low quality and there are tons of social problems like child abuse.
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Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #61 on: February 14, 2019, 03:10:19 pm »

They like working here...LIVING here is another story....they basically all commute from Ulsan or Busan.

Yep. Teaching in South Korea is an elite career. Most Korean teachers are going to prefer to live in a big city where there is lots of good food and where they can send their kids to good hagwons and good public schools. Not in a depressing rural area where all the food is low quality and there are tons of social problems like child abuse.


Hahahaha, what? How can you think the quality of rural food is lower than the average food you find in the big metropolitan cities?


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Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #62 on: February 14, 2019, 03:13:06 pm »
Hahahaha, what? How can you think the quality of rural food is lower than the average food you find in the big metropolitan cities?

Can you imagine living near farms and then eating near farms? The food is local and fresh? Gross.
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Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #63 on: February 14, 2019, 03:16:58 pm »

They like working here...LIVING here is another story....they basically all commute from Ulsan or Busan.

Yep. Teaching in South Korea is an elite career. Most Korean teachers are going to prefer to live in a big city where there is lots of good food and where they can send their kids to good hagwons and good public schools. Not in a depressing rural area where all the food is low quality and there are tons of social problems like child abuse.


Hahahaha, what? How can you think the quality of rural food is lower than the average food you find in the big metropolitan cities?

Maybe he means low quality in the sense of not being able to buy so much foreign food.


Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #64 on: February 14, 2019, 03:19:24 pm »

They like working here...LIVING here is another story....they basically all commute from Ulsan or Busan.

Yep. Teaching in South Korea is an elite career. Most Korean teachers are going to prefer to live in a big city where there is lots of good food and where they can send their kids to good hagwons and good public schools. Not in a depressing rural area where all the food is low quality and there are tons of social problems like child abuse.


Hahahaha, what? How can you think the quality of rural food is lower than the average food you find in the big metropolitan cities?

Maybe he means low quality in the sense of not being able to buy so much foreign food.

I don't get it.


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« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2019, 03:24:36 pm »
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Maybe he means low quality in the sense of not being able to buy so much foreign food.

I don't get it.

Like you go into the local food store and they only have processed cheese.


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« Reply #66 on: February 14, 2019, 03:25:59 pm »

They like working here...LIVING here is another story....they basically all commute from Ulsan or Busan.

Yep. Teaching in South Korea is an elite career. Most Korean teachers are going to prefer to live in a big city where there is lots of good food and where they can send their kids to good hagwons and good public schools. Not in a depressing rural area where all the food is low quality and there are tons of social problems like child abuse.


Hahahaha, what? How can you think the quality of rural food is lower than the average food you find in the big metropolitan cities?

Maybe he means low quality in the sense of not being able to buy so much foreign food.

I don't get it.

Restaurants and grocery stores in the countryside sell really low quality food. Half the time when I would buy meat it would be rotten. I would take a 3 hour roundtrip bus ride to Daejeon just to go to Emart and buy meat that was edible.

If you have an iron stomach and are fine eating rotten meat and the roadside weeds that you buy at rural Korean  markets, then I guess you would enjoy eating in the countryside. I did not.
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Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #67 on: February 14, 2019, 03:59:29 pm »
the local marts often sell dodgy fresh produce and items almost past sell-by dates. well, a lot of them. even my parents in law tell me which ones to avoid in their neighbourhood, as they have experienced it too

i always try to shop at the big stores too. or order fresh produce online from coupang/market kurly (i recommend this!!!)


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Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #68 on: February 14, 2019, 05:13:37 pm »
Farming areas sell there best produce to the suppliers for the big box places as  they will pay the highest prices. Small/Mid sized marts have shite produce at the best of times. Put that together with selling to old people who are more used to using half turned food, means marts in rural areas often have the worst of the worst stuff on sale.
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Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #69 on: February 15, 2019, 08:53:28 am »
The food where I live is fine. There's TONS of fresh produce on sale.

TBF though it probably depends HOW rural you mean. We have some biggish marts near me. The choice isn't AS good as near the city obviously but it's not low quality at all.

 


Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #70 on: February 16, 2019, 06:53:27 pm »
The food where I live is fine. There's TONS of fresh produce on sale.

TBF though it probably depends HOW rural you mean. We have some biggish marts near me. The choice isn't AS good as near the city obviously but it's not low quality at all.

Oh goodie, fresh roadside weeds, fresh carrots and cucumbers that taste like dirt, and fresh disgusting Korean melons.

When I lived in a rural town, there were a few small marts. There was a Nonghyup Hanaro Mart which was the best, but it still sold rotten meat. To get edible food you had to drive 90+ minutes to Daejeon or Cheongju and go to E-Mart or Home Plus or Costco. When I moved to Cheongju there was a Hanaro Mart and guess what, it never sold rotten meat.
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Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #71 on: February 17, 2019, 05:26:20 am »
Epik=rotten food?
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Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2019, 08:04:24 am »
The food where I live is fine. There's TONS of fresh produce on sale.

TBF though it probably depends HOW rural you mean. We have some biggish marts near me. The choice isn't AS good as near the city obviously but it's not low quality at all.

Oh goodie, fresh roadside weeds, fresh carrots and cucumbers that taste like dirt, and fresh disgusting Korean melons.

When I lived in a rural town, there were a few small marts. There was a Nonghyup Hanaro Mart which was the best, but it still sold rotten meat. To get edible food you had to drive 90+ minutes to Daejeon or Cheongju and go to E-Mart or Home Plus or Costco. When I moved to Cheongju there was a Hanaro Mart and guess what, it never sold rotten meat.

Oh right so let's just disregard what I say because there was rotten food where you lived...therefore I MUST be wrong and it must taste like garbage. Silly me.


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Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2019, 08:18:24 am »
    I live in an 읍 about an hour out from major urban centres, but I've never really had any issues with the quality of food out here. I did have beef with the fact that a lot of western foods were hard to come by when I first arrived, but over the last ten years, things have slowly improved in that regard until I can now pretty much find everything I want without too much effort (except pizza-pockets :cry: ).
    In our town, we have a pretty huge farmer's market that runs everyday that ends with a 4 or 9 (which makes getting to and from work a bit like playing frogger), and the local produce is super duper cheap. Most of it is also pretty decent quality (although I distrust the seafood seeing as we live as far away from the coast as is physically possible in Korea and I've seen how that stuff is transported -- there's a reason hongeo is so popular in these parts!!), and I definitely know the difference between good and bad as I basically grew up in a giant vegetable garden (so much weeding...).


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« Reply #74 on: February 28, 2019, 06:45:48 pm »
 I have taught in rural Korea, in a village. There was a market, and small shops. There was a big Korean barbecue restaurant. The food there was good, but there wasn't the full range of banchan dishes you'd get elsewhere. There was a great chicken restaurant in the village. There were small local shops. I don't remember food being past its sell by date, but I found that if I took the bus into town, there was a wider variety in the supermarket.
   A couple of times the school had special meals at restaurants in neighbouring small towns where the food was amazing.
   The fact that we're discussing rural food suggests that EPIK might be turning into Rural EPIK, or REPIK.


Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #75 on: March 31, 2019, 05:58:53 am »
It's March 2019 EPIK is still rejecting qualified professionals. They probably only want the noobs so they can cut down on the cost. White fresh graduates with a degree but no relevant experience willing to work for the lowest pay. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have enough teachers later--it's really their fault to be cheap and dropping qualified people like hot cakes.


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« Reply #76 on: March 31, 2019, 10:07:53 am »
It's March 2019 EPIK is still rejecting qualified professionals. They probably only want the noobs so they can cut down on the cost. White fresh graduates with a degree but no relevant experience willing to work for the lowest pay. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have enough teachers later--it's really their fault to be cheap and dropping qualified people like hot cakes.

The folks that know what they are doing, or, want to be professional in their craft, make the Korean staff, and the "Korean way" look bad....they cannot allow that to happen. 


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Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #77 on: April 01, 2019, 07:22:16 am »
It's March 2019 EPIK is still rejecting qualified professionals. They probably only want the noobs so they can cut down on the cost. White fresh graduates with a degree but no relevant experience willing to work for the lowest pay. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have enough teachers later--it's really their fault to be cheap and dropping qualified people like hot cakes.

Not sure I agree with this one. Last two intakes have been 75 poc or of Asian descent. But yeah they do want noobs starting at the lowest level.


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Re: IS EPIK STILL WORTH IT-OR IS IT A CRAZY WASTE OF TIME?
« Reply #78 on: April 01, 2019, 10:35:17 am »
It seems self-evident that EPIK is meant for the nominal 23-year-old vaguely attractive graduate who thinks Korea is just like the dramas/has an interest in Korean 'beauty'/is obsessed with KPop. Or is a white girl who REALLY wants an 'oppa' for herself (white guys wanting the opposite...maybe not). That's obviously their ideal. If they could get the whole intake to be like that, they would be overjoyed.

Second choice is young ethnic Koreans who want to connect with the homeland, if it could be called that.

Third choice is young non-Korean Asians, especially ethnic Chinese, who will flatter Korea as being SO great, especially better than China/Taiwan and SUPER especially Japan.

If they can't get enough of the above, then they'll start settling for people who may potentially know what they're doing.

I don't know why anyone is surprised. From the very beginning, EPIK was meant to imitate JET in Japan. It's well-known that JET's applicant pool is generally young Westerners who have one or several varieties of Japan-fetish (anime, toys, fashion, JPop, food, cosplay, games, martial arts, whatever). There is such a pool of Japan obsessed people in the world that JET can be quite picky, and then dump their excess on the dispatch companies, etc.

Korea is nowhere near there yet but it's much further along than it was even when I was there. The best part from their point of view is how these young 'teachers' will get their fill of glorious Korea and then go home after a couple of years and take real jobs, which means no worries with lifers or people making a fuss against whatever stupid idea gets in the VP's head this week. And a new pool can come in and get the 'Korea is SO amazing' treatment.

EPIK is not now and has never been about actual teaching (of English or anything else). They don't care about that. Parents who want their kids to actually learn English send them to hagwons, as MayorHaggar said.  Best case, it's about exposing Korean children to a wider perspective outside their bubble. Worst case, it's about copying/trying to outmatch whatever Japan is doing (as usual); or a status marker for Korea's place in the world (we're so rich that we can afford to pay white foreigners to come and entertain our kids, even in poor rural backwaters...and Korea is SO AMAZING that the foreigners will line up to do it, too!).

It's not a waste of money, from that perspective. It's about flattering the Korean ego. Money well spent.


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« Reply #79 on: April 02, 2019, 06:18:50 am »
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EPIK is not now and has never been about actual teaching (of English or anything else). They don't care about that. Parents who want their kids to actually learn English send them to hagwons, as MayorHaggar said.

I thought hagwans weren't and never have been about teaching either, just making money.

All of what you said above would be crazy if they were employing teachers with full class room responsibility, like in the Hong Kong NET scheme. However maybe it makes more sense if they're just looking for assistant teachers to do supplement the Korean teacher.