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  • jimskins
  • Adventurer

    • 57

    • July 02, 2014, 12:34:19 pm
    • Paju
Amongst my wife's family and friends there seems to be so many couples in their thirties who are struggling to have children.  As I stare out of the window at another weekend of toxic air i wonder how large a factor it is in this problem.  So far 7 out of 12 days in 2019 in the Gyeongi/Seoul area have seen readings over 100.  Happy New Year!   

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/11/air-pollution-as-bad-as-smoking-in-increasing-risk-of-miscarriage



Amongst my wife's family and friends there seems to be so many couples in their thirties who are struggling to have children.  As I stare out of the window at another weekend of toxic air i wonder how large a factor it is in this problem.  So far 7 out of 12 days in 2019 in the Gyeongi/Seoul area have seen readings over 100.  Happy New Year!   

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/11/air-pollution-as-bad-as-smoking-in-increasing-risk-of-miscarriage

You mean struggling to conceive or having lots of miscarriages? which was what the article is about. Pollution can cause a 16 % rise in miscarriages so among healthy women that would go from around 10% chance to 11.6% chance of having a miscarriage
« Last Edit: January 12, 2019, 02:13:05 pm by eggieguffer »


  • jimskins
  • Adventurer

    • 57

    • July 02, 2014, 12:34:19 pm
    • Paju
Amongst my wife's family and friends there seems to be so many couples in their thirties who are struggling to have children.  As I stare out of the window at another weekend of toxic air i wonder how large a factor it is in this problem.  So far 7 out of 12 days in 2019 in the Gyeongi/Seoul area have seen readings over 100.  Happy New Year!   

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/11/air-pollution-as-bad-as-smoking-in-increasing-risk-of-miscarriage

You mean struggling to conceive or having lots of miscarriages? which was what the article is about. Pollution can cause a 16 % rise in miscarriages so among healthy women that would go from around 10% chance to 11.6% chance of having a miscarriage

I meant what I said, struggling to have children, which covers both struggling to conceive and having miscarriages.  The article refers to the latter but who knows what effect that crap going into your system might have on eggs and sperm too.  Still you're right, a 1.6% increase is nothing to worry about, I'll even tell the wife to light up the next time she's got one in the oven.  Air pollution schmair pollution.



Amongst my wife's family and friends there seems to be so many couples in their thirties who are struggling to have children.  As I stare out of the window at another weekend of toxic air i wonder how large a factor it is in this problem.  So far 7 out of 12 days in 2019 in the Gyeongi/Seoul area have seen readings over 100.  Happy New Year!   

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/11/air-pollution-as-bad-as-smoking-in-increasing-risk-of-miscarriage

You mean struggling to conceive or having lots of miscarriages? which was what the article is about. Pollution can cause a 16 % rise in miscarriages so among healthy women that would go from around 10% chance to 11.6% chance of having a miscarriage

I meant what I said, struggling to have children, which covers both struggling to conceive and having miscarriages.  The article refers to the latter but who knows what effect that crap going into your system might have on eggs and sperm too.  Still you're right, a 1.6% increase is nothing to worry about, I'll even tell the wife to light up the next time she's got one in the oven.  Air pollution schmair pollution.

I merely quoted the percentage, didn't say anything about worrying or not. If you think I was implying people shouldn't worry, it suggests you think it's a small percentage rise
« Last Edit: January 12, 2019, 05:32:42 pm by eggieguffer »


  • L I
  • The Legend

    • 3643

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
    • Seoul
There is compelling evidence that the invisible particles within pollution damage the brain

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1069790/air-pollution-huge-reduction-intelligence-men-risk-spt

The latest study of the link between air pollution and declining intelligence, alongside the evidence of a link between air pollution and dementia, makes the case for becoming more environmentally friendly stronger.


There is compelling evidence that the invisible particles within pollution damage the brain

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1069790/air-pollution-huge-reduction-intelligence-men-risk-spt

The latest study of the link between air pollution and declining intelligence, alongside the evidence of a link between air pollution and dementia, makes the case for becoming more environmentally friendly stronger.

Not sure how you can keep pushing this agenda while advocating for the legalisation of soft drugs at the same time. I mean what about the evidence they also have long term effects on the brain?


  • Datasapien
  • Super Waygook

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    • February 04, 2012, 09:36:25 pm
    • Chungcheongbuk-do
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There is compelling evidence that the invisible particles within pollution damage the brain

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1069790/air-pollution-huge-reduction-intelligence-men-risk-spt

The latest study of the link between air pollution and declining intelligence, alongside the evidence of a link between air pollution and dementia, makes the case for becoming more environmentally friendly stronger.

Not sure how you can keep pushing this agenda while advocating for the legalisation of soft drugs at the same time. I mean what about the evidence they also have long term effects on the brain?

Because people want to do soft drugs, but people don't want to do air pollution.
"A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man." - Jebediah Springfield.


There is compelling evidence that the invisible particles within pollution damage the brain

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1069790/air-pollution-huge-reduction-intelligence-men-risk-spt

The latest study of the link between air pollution and declining intelligence, alongside the evidence of a link between air pollution and dementia, makes the case for becoming more environmentally friendly stronger.

Not sure how you can keep pushing this agenda while advocating for the legalisation of soft drugs at the same time. I mean what about the evidence they also have long term effects on the brain?

Because people want to do soft drugs, but people don't want to do air pollution.

Plenty of people want to live in cities or countries that happen to have air pollution.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2019, 07:45:30 am by eggieguffer »


  • Datasapien
  • Super Waygook

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    • February 04, 2012, 09:36:25 pm
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Plenty of people want to live in cities or countries that happen to have air pollution.

Eggie my dear boy, wanting to live in a city =/= wanting to inhale some of that sweet sweet air pollution.

People want to do soft drugs, but people don't want to do air pollution.
"A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man." - Jebediah Springfield.


Plenty of people want to live in cities or countries that happen to have air pollution.

Eggie my dear boy, wanting to live in a city =/= wanting to inhale some of that sweet sweet air pollution.

People want to do soft drugs, but people don't want to do air pollution.

Presumably people who want to smoke dope would prefer to get high without having to breathe in dangerous chemicals. I don't get your point. Living in a modern industrial city and smoking dope are both things people want to do that can have dangerous side effects. I agree there are also many differences between them.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2019, 12:33:46 pm by eggieguffer »