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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #440 on: June 14, 2019, 11:41:15 am »
Persuaded? No. Motivated? Yes. I think loads of people become motivated by dumb shit Trump says, including the opposition.
That's probably true, and I think Trump may have seen the consequences of that in the midterms with the House.

I do think Trump is pursuing a business strategy that MIGHT not be effective in politics- Which is better 90% of your customers thinking a product is 7 or 8/10 OR 80% of your customers giving your product a 4/10 and 20% giving it a 10/10. The answer is the latter of course, which seems to fit with Trump's campaign model.

Um, no.  Even though you left out that 10%, the first model is demonstrably better.  Let's average that 90% opinion is 7.5:  .90X7.5=6.75 rating.  In the second case, .80X4=3.2 and .20X10=2.  3.2+2=5.2 rating. 

6.75> 5.2

You're as bad at math as you are at politics, debate and rationality.


Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #441 on: June 14, 2019, 02:41:12 pm »
Um, no.  Even though you left out that 10%, the first model is demonstrably better.  Let's average that 90% opinion is 7.5:  .90X7.5=6.75 rating.  In the second case, .80X4=3.2 and .20X10=2.  3.2+2=5.2 rating. 

6.75> 5.2

You're as bad at math as you are at politics, debate and rationality.

Once again showing those lack of street smarts Mr. C. People don't buy stuff based on mathematical equations. They are irrational consumers. You do realize that you can sell a product that is 7/10 to everyone and it can fail, right? That's because people make either/or choices when making purchases.

The famous example of this is the Ragu spaghetti sauce problem. People realized that niche sauce that people REALLY liked was a better seller than the sauce that was "above-average" to everyone. Now 20% think Chunky Sauce is 10/10, 20% think Triple Garlic is 10/10, 20% think Mini Meatball is 10/10, 20% think Pesto is 10/10, and 20% think Alfredo is 10/10. They all think Ragu is 7/10. What sauce do they buy? The 10/10. Duh. And that's what happened and Ragu was shellacked on the grocery store shelves until they started doing the same thing.

WOMP WOMP. Looks like you don't understand this as well as you think you do. Take your equation and skeedadle. Maybe spend some more time studying people.

If 20% of customers give you 10/10, That 20% is yours and will be consistently yours. Call them "Dr. Pepper lovers". Not just that, they are eternally yours and relatively immune to price shocks and fluctuations and new products. Your 7/10s are Shasta. "It's not bad..." But are you spending your $5 soda budget on Shasta or Dr. Pepper? Do you want 7/10 soda or 10/10? Sure your 7/10 might do well. But you're either going to have to be really competitive on price and/or hope that a 9/10 doesn't come along that turn turns your 8/10 into a 7/10.

Your 7/10 better be immortally iconic ala Cornflakes or 'Law & Order:SVU' and really hit a certain ID of comfort or else it is in trouble.

Get a clue, dude.
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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #442 on: June 14, 2019, 03:22:20 pm »
Um, no.  Even though you left out that 10%, the first model is demonstrably better.  Let's average that 90% opinion is 7.5:  .90X7.5=6.75 rating.  In the second case, .80X4=3.2 and .20X10=2.  3.2+2=5.2 rating. 

6.75> 5.2

You're as bad at math as you are at politics, debate and rationality.

Once again showing those lack of street smarts Mr. C. People don't buy stuff based on mathematical equations. They are irrational consumers. You do realize that you can sell a product that is 7/10 to everyone and it can fail, right? That's because people make either/or choices when making purchases.

The famous example of this is the Ragu spaghetti sauce problem. People realized that niche sauce that people REALLY liked was a better seller than the sauce that was "above-average" to everyone. Now 20% think Chunky Sauce is 10/10, 20% think Triple Garlic is 10/10, 20% think Mini Meatball is 10/10, 20% think Pesto is 10/10, and 20% think Alfredo is 10/10. They all think Ragu is 7/10. What sauce do they buy? The 10/10. Duh. And that's what happened and Ragu was shellacked on the grocery store shelves until they started doing the same thing.

WOMP WOMP. Looks like you don't understand this as well as you think you do. Take your equation and skeedadle. Maybe spend some more time studying people.

If 20% of customers give you 10/10, That 20% is yours and will be consistently yours. Call them "Dr. Pepper lovers". Not just that, they are eternally yours and relatively immune to price shocks and fluctuations and new products. Your 7/10s are Shasta. "It's not bad..." But are you spending your $5 soda budget on Shasta or Dr. Pepper? Do you want 7/10 soda or 10/10? Sure your 7/10 might do well. But you're either going to have to be really competitive on price and/or hope that a 9/10 doesn't come along that turn turns your 8/10 into a 7/10.

Your 7/10 better be immortally iconic ala Cornflakes or 'Law & Order:SVU' and really hit a certain ID of comfort or else it is in trouble.

Get a clue, dude.

You voted for an idiotic psychopath.
You're not allowed to tell anyone to "get a clue".

Have a terrible weekend.


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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #443 on: June 14, 2019, 03:24:32 pm »
Um, no.  Even though you left out that 10%, the first model is demonstrably better.  Let's average that 90% opinion is 7.5:  .90X7.5=6.75 rating.  In the second case, .80X4=3.2 and .20X10=2.  3.2+2=5.2 rating. 

6.75> 5.2

You're as bad at math as you are at politics, debate and rationality.

Once again showing those lack of street smarts Mr. C. People don't buy stuff based on mathematical equations. They are irrational consumers. You do realize that you can sell a product that is 7/10 to everyone and it can fail, right? That's because people make either/or choices when making purchases.

The famous example of this is the Ragu spaghetti sauce problem. People realized that niche sauce that people REALLY liked was a better seller than the sauce that was "above-average" to everyone. Now 20% think Chunky Sauce is 10/10, 20% think Triple Garlic is 10/10, 20% think Mini Meatball is 10/10, 20% think Pesto is 10/10, and 20% think Alfredo is 10/10. They all think Ragu is 7/10. What sauce do they buy? The 10/10. Duh. And that's what happened and Ragu was shellacked on the grocery store shelves until they started doing the same thing.

WOMP WOMP. Looks like you don't understand this as well as you think you do. Take your equation and skeedadle. Maybe spend some more time studying people.

If 20% of customers give you 10/10, That 20% is yours and will be consistently yours. Call them "Dr. Pepper lovers". Not just that, they are eternally yours and relatively immune to price shocks and fluctuations and new products. Your 7/10s are Shasta. "It's not bad..." But are you spending your $5 soda budget on Shasta or Dr. Pepper? Do you want 7/10 soda or 10/10? Sure your 7/10 might do well. But you're either going to have to be really competitive on price and/or hope that a 9/10 doesn't come along that turn turns your 8/10 into a 7/10.

Your 7/10 better be immortally iconic ala Cornflakes or 'Law & Order:SVU' and really hit a certain ID of comfort or else it is in trouble.

Get a clue, dude.
You've become a mockery of yourself.

I will stand by the statement that  6.75 greater than 5.2.

Wiggle, lie and prevaricate, obfuscate and change the subject (ingredients in sauce?--get a grip), provide misleading comparisons, throw around made-up numbers as if they have meaning all day mate, but you think 5.2 is bigger than 6.75. 

Get a calculator, dude.
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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #444 on: June 14, 2019, 10:37:33 pm »
Um, no.  Even though you left out that 10%, the first model is demonstrably better.  Let's average that 90% opinion is 7.5:  .90X7.5=6.75 rating.  In the second case, .80X4=3.2 and .20X10=2.  3.2+2=5.2 rating. 

6.75> 5.2

You're as bad at math as you are at politics, debate and rationality.

Once again showing those lack of street smarts Mr. C. People don't buy stuff based on mathematical equations. They are irrational consumers. You do realize that you can sell a product that is 7/10 to everyone and it can fail, right? That's because people make either/or choices when making purchases.

The famous example of this is the Ragu spaghetti sauce problem. People realized that niche sauce that people REALLY liked was a better seller than the sauce that was "above-average" to everyone. Now 20% think Chunky Sauce is 10/10, 20% think Triple Garlic is 10/10, 20% think Mini Meatball is 10/10, 20% think Pesto is 10/10, and 20% think Alfredo is 10/10. They all think Ragu is 7/10. What sauce do they buy? The 10/10. Duh. And that's what happened and Ragu was shellacked on the grocery store shelves until they started doing the same thing.

WOMP WOMP. Looks like you don't understand this as well as you think you do. Take your equation and skeedadle. Maybe spend some more time studying people.

If 20% of customers give you 10/10, That 20% is yours and will be consistently yours. Call them "Dr. Pepper lovers". Not just that, they are eternally yours and relatively immune to price shocks and fluctuations and new products. Your 7/10s are Shasta. "It's not bad..." But are you spending your $5 soda budget on Shasta or Dr. Pepper? Do you want 7/10 soda or 10/10? Sure your 7/10 might do well. But you're either going to have to be really competitive on price and/or hope that a 9/10 doesn't come along that turn turns your 8/10 into a 7/10.

Your 7/10 better be immortally iconic ala Cornflakes or 'Law & Order:SVU' and really hit a certain ID of comfort or else it is in trouble.

Get a clue, dude.

You voted for an idiotic psychopath.
You're not allowed to tell anyone to "get a clue".

Have a terrible weekend.
Um, no.  Even though you left out that 10%, the first model is demonstrably better.  Let's average that 90% opinion is 7.5:  .90X7.5=6.75 rating.  In the second case, .80X4=3.2 and .20X10=2.  3.2+2=5.2 rating. 

6.75> 5.2

You're as bad at math as you are at politics, debate and rationality.

Once again showing those lack of street smarts Mr. C. People don't buy stuff based on mathematical equations. They are irrational consumers. You do realize that you can sell a product that is 7/10 to everyone and it can fail, right? That's because people make either/or choices when making purchases.

The famous example of this is the Ragu spaghetti sauce problem. People realized that niche sauce that people REALLY liked was a better seller than the sauce that was "above-average" to everyone. Now 20% think Chunky Sauce is 10/10, 20% think Triple Garlic is 10/10, 20% think Mini Meatball is 10/10, 20% think Pesto is 10/10, and 20% think Alfredo is 10/10. They all think Ragu is 7/10. What sauce do they buy? The 10/10. Duh. And that's what happened and Ragu was shellacked on the grocery store shelves until they started doing the same thing.

WOMP WOMP. Looks like you don't understand this as well as you think you do. Take your equation and skeedadle. Maybe spend some more time studying people.

If 20% of customers give you 10/10, That 20% is yours and will be consistently yours. Call them "Dr. Pepper lovers". Not just that, they are eternally yours and relatively immune to price shocks and fluctuations and new products. Your 7/10s are Shasta. "It's not bad..." But are you spending your $5 soda budget on Shasta or Dr. Pepper? Do you want 7/10 soda or 10/10? Sure your 7/10 might do well. But you're either going to have to be really competitive on price and/or hope that a 9/10 doesn't come along that turn turns your 8/10 into a 7/10.

Your 7/10 better be immortally iconic ala Cornflakes or 'Law & Order:SVU' and really hit a certain ID of comfort or else it is in trouble.

Get a clue, dude.
Did you learn that while stocking the shelves at the mini-mart you used to work at?


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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #445 on: June 14, 2019, 10:52:05 pm »
You guys bullying marty now? 3 v 1 ??  >:(

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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #446 on: June 15, 2019, 10:42:00 am »
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Ohio Bakery Awarded $44 Million in Libel Case Against Oberlin College
Jury awarded damages after the business accused the liberal arts school of supporting a boycott after accusations of racism

An Ohio bakery that sued Oberlin College for libel over accusations of racism has been awarded a total of $44 million in damages.

The family behind Gibson’s Bakery sued the liberal arts institution and a school administrator after the Oberlin bakery was the focus of protests following the arrest of three black students involved in a November 2016 shoplifting incident. The three students later pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges....

In its lawsuit, the bakery said student protests outside its store and a flier that claimed the business “is a racist establishment” had a "devastating impact" on both the bakery and family.

The bakery accused Oberlin Dean Meredith Raimondo of not only distributing a flier urging the boycott of Gibson’s Bakery, but also using college-owned copiers to print the material. At one point, the college ended its catering contracts with the bakery, thought it later resumed those.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ohio-bakery-awarded-44-million-in-libel-case-against-oberlin-college-11560528172

It's about time those who make false accusations of racism face some serious consequences. I hope Nick Sandmann wins his lawsuits against CNN, The Washington Post, and NBC too.


Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #447 on: June 15, 2019, 02:22:04 pm »
You voted for an idiotic psychopath.
You're not allowed to tell anyone to "get a clue".

Have a terrible weekend.
Notice how your comment didn't address anything to do with my point on consumer spending. Instead it moved on to something else and was a personal attack. I voted for Obama too.

Some of us aren't blind left-right partisans. We also don't shit ourselves in fear over media-induced anti-Trump hysteria.


Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #448 on: June 15, 2019, 02:32:20 pm »
You've become a mockery of yourself.

I will stand by the statement that  6.75 greater than 5.2.

Wiggle, lie and prevaricate, obfuscate and change the subject (ingredients in sauce?--get a grip), provide misleading comparisons, throw around made-up numbers as if they have meaning all day mate, but you think 5.2 is bigger than 6.75. 

Get a calculator, dude.
Notice how you aren't addressing consumer behavior, which is irrational and the core issue, but instead sticking to a mathematical equation.

Your equation is correct. It is also irrelevant. Consumer markets are seldom two choice situations. Duh.

In crowded markets, 20% of consumers being fanatically loyal to your product is phenomenal. If you're 7/10 to everyone and in everything, there's a real danger that you end up appealing to no one because everyone else is selecting something else they give a 10/10. Maybe it's a 10 on quality or a 10 on value or a 10 on location. Think about restaurants- How many 7/10 restaurants have you been too? How many did you go back to? How many are still open? That's the problem with so many small businesses and why so many fail. They're perfectly fine and they're 7/10. Unfortunately that doesn't set them apart from the competition and consumers choose something else.

Or think about music. How well does an album sell where every song is 7/10? It sells like shit. How well does an album sell where 2 songs are 10/10 and the rest are 5/10? It goes gold or even platinum.

Anyone with a lick of sense about business or marketing or even just basic street smarts knows this.


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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #449 on: June 15, 2019, 04:07:04 pm »
You've become a mockery of yourself.

I will stand by the statement that  6.75 greater than 5.2.

Wiggle, lie and prevaricate, obfuscate and change the subject (ingredients in sauce?--get a grip), provide misleading comparisons, throw around made-up numbers as if they have meaning all day mate, but you think 5.2 is bigger than 6.75. 

Get a calculator, dude.
Notice how you aren't addressing consumer behavior, which is irrational and the core issue, but instead sticking to a mathematical equation.

Your equation is correct. It is also irrelevant. Consumer markets are seldom two choice situations. Duh.
Classic DMT: caught being full of it, calls it (and therefore his whole argument) irrelevant, carries on.  You still can't admit that you thought 5.2 is more than 6.75+, can you?

Incidentally, while consumer markets may not usually be two choice situations, US elections almost always are. And that's what we were talking about, isn't it?  And you decided to obfuscate, lie and change the subject, didn't you?

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In crowded markets, 20% of consumers being fanatically loyal to your product is phenomenal. If you're 7/10 to everyone and in everything, there's a real danger that you end up appealing to no one because everyone else is selecting something else they give a 10/10. Maybe it's a 10 on quality or a 10 on value or a 10 on location. Think about restaurants- How many 7/10 restaurants have you been too? How many did you go back to? How many are still open? That's the problem with so many small businesses and why so many fail. They're perfectly fine and they're 7/10. Unfortunately that doesn't set them apart from the competition and consumers choose something else.

Or think about music. How well does an album sell where every song is 7/10? It sells like shit. How well does an album sell where 2 songs are 10/10 and the rest are 5/10? It goes gold or even platinum.

Anyone with a lick of sense about business or marketing or even just basic street smarts knows this.
Okay, let's address "consumer behavior", even though that was not your initial premise.  Turns out your whole pasta sauce thing was wrong.   All the Prego varieties together totaled 390 million USD (latest data I could find: https://www.statista.com/statistics/189709/top-spaghetti-sauce-brands-in-the-united-states/ ) , but just the Ragu standard variety sold 246 million, so the 7/10 Ragu was never in any way being "shellacked"--it's the number two best-selling sauce!  A lie from you, big surprise.

The reason companies introduce variation on their brands is, of course to capture additional customers, but it's more so to increase their shelf space in stores.  Shelf space is limited and thus an incredibly competitive thing (today brands even pay money for it!), and if Ragu has six units of basic sauce, and give up one to add two rows of Old world Style, they have gained an entire unit.  Womp womp, indeed.
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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #450 on: June 15, 2019, 08:53:40 pm »
Classic DMT: caught being full of it, calls it (and therefore his whole argument) irrelevant, carries on.  You still can't admit that you thought 5.2 is more than 6.75+, can you?
Because I never thought that. We were talking consumer product preference. Consumers are under no obligation to choose the product with the highest average score among two products. You can have a product that averages 6.75 and have zero sales. And you can have a product that averages 5.2 and has tremendous sales. Why? Because the product with the lower average has tremendous brand loyalty. Those consumers who give it a 10/10 aren't buying something else, they're buying that product.  Meanwhile the 6.75 can get most to agree "That's alright" and get no sales because there's better out there.

Admit it, you didn't really think this through. You thought it was a math problem, but actually it's about human behavior and human behavior is not logical nor is it under any obligation to follow mathematical formulas.

You made a logical fallacy, you assumed that because one product has a higher average score than the other product, that would mean the higher-scoring product was a better product from a business standpoint and would outsell the other one. That is not necessarily true. As I said- Which will sell more records? An album with 15 tracks 7/10 OR an album with two tracks 10/10 and no other scoring higher than 6/10 and even some stinkers at 1/10? The answer is the one with two 10/10 tracks. Heck, there's a fair chance that such an album could go at least Gold and possibly Platinum while the other one probably wouldn't even sell 10,000 copies.

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US elections almost always are. And that's what we were talking about, isn't it?  And you decided to obfuscate, lie and change the subject, didn't you?
We were talking about Trump's campaign model. That model enabled him to beat a crowded field. This same model MIGHT or MIGHT NOT work for Bernie Sanders in the upcoming primary. It certainly is failing some candidates who might be 7/10s from most Dem voters but are no one's 10/10.

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The reason companies introduce variation on their brands is, of course to capture additional customers, but it's more so to increase their shelf space in stores.  Shelf space is limited and thus an incredibly competitive thing (today brands even pay money for it!), and if Ragu has six units of basic sauce, and give up one to add two rows of Old world Style, they have gained an entire unit.  Womp womp, indeed.
You do realize the Ragu-Prego spaghetti sauce thing is an incredibly famous case of this, right? This started, like, 30 years ago. Of course Ragu has since caught up, but it is no longer #1. Ragus WAS #1 until Prego did its thing.

And again, this isn't just spaghetti sauce. This can apply to snack foods, sodas, automobiles, movies, music, video games, cosmetics, modeling, acting, sports, television, etc. Is it a perfect rule? No. Is it something that has to be considered? YES. Indeed in the original post, I explicitly mentioned the limitations of this and how it could cost Trump and the Republicans.

The flaw in your thinking is that you equate those scores to evenly incremented gaps and not consider the possibility that they  can be orders of magnitude. You made the flaw of assuming such a scale was linear. And even if it was, your conclusions STILL might not apply.
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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #451 on: June 15, 2019, 09:57:11 pm »
OK...

So...
 who's up for some juicy politics aye ?
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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #452 on: June 15, 2019, 11:45:10 pm »
Classic DMT: caught being full of it, calls it (and therefore his whole argument) irrelevant, carries on.  You still can't admit that you thought 5.2 is more than 6.75+, can you?
Because I never thought that. We were talking consumer product preference. Consumers are under no obligation to choose the product with the highest average score among two products. You can have a product that averages 6.75 and have zero sales. And you can have a product that averages 5.2 and has tremendous sales. Why? Because the product with the lower average has tremendous brand loyalty. Those consumers who give it a 10/10 aren't buying something else, they're buying that product.  Meanwhile the 6.75 can get most to agree "That's alright" and get no sales because there's better out there.

Admit it, you didn't really think this through. You thought it was a math problem, but actually it's about human behavior and human behavior is not logical nor is it under any obligation to follow mathematical formulas.

You made a logical fallacy, you assumed that because one product has a higher average score than the other product, that would mean the higher-scoring product was a better product from a business standpoint and would outsell the other one. That is not necessarily true. As I said- Which will sell more records? An album with 15 tracks 7/10 OR an album with two tracks 10/10 and no other scoring higher than 6/10 and even some stinkers at 1/10? The answer is the one with two 10/10 tracks. Heck, there's a fair chance that such an album could go at least Gold and possibly Platinum while the other one probably wouldn't even sell 10,000 copies.

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US elections almost always are. And that's what we were talking about, isn't it?  And you decided to obfuscate, lie and change the subject, didn't you?
We were talking about Trump's campaign model. That model enabled him to beat a crowded field. This same model MIGHT or MIGHT NOT work for Bernie Sanders in the upcoming primary. It certainly is failing some candidates who might be 7/10s from most Dem voters but are no one's 10/10.

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The reason companies introduce variation on their brands is, of course to capture additional customers, but it's more so to increase their shelf space in stores.  Shelf space is limited and thus an incredibly competitive thing (today brands even pay money for it!), and if Ragu has six units of basic sauce, and give up one to add two rows of Old world Style, they have gained an entire unit.  Womp womp, indeed.
You do realize the Ragu-Prego spaghetti sauce thing is an incredibly famous case of this, right? This started, like, 30 years ago. Of course Ragu has since caught up, but it is no longer #1. Ragus WAS #1 until Prego did its thing.

And again, this isn't just spaghetti sauce. This can apply to snack foods, sodas, automobiles, movies, music, video games, cosmetics, modeling, acting, sports, television, etc. Is it a perfect rule? No. Is it something that has to be considered? YES. Indeed in the original post, I explicitly mentioned the limitations of this and how it could cost Trump and the Republicans.

The flaw in your thinking is that you equate those scores to evenly incremented gaps and not consider the possibility that they  can be orders of magnitude. You made the flaw of assuming such a scale was linear. And even if it was, your conclusions STILL might not apply.

Blah blah blah blah blah …

… says the man who thinks 5.2 is more than 6.75.


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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #453 on: June 16, 2019, 12:57:17 am »
Ragu is #1 on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Grocery-Gourmet-Food-641720-Pasta-Sauce/zgbs/grocery/16321271

Just sayin'.

You know there's a pretty good Italian restaurant near me that every month sends out coupons. One is a BOGO for any of their dinners and the other is a BOGO for any pizza. Great deals, man.

But for lunch today I'm having a turkey salad sandwich and a sweet juicy California orange.  Yummy.


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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #454 on: June 16, 2019, 01:55:42 am »
All I know is they're really sugary and bad for you.
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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #455 on: June 16, 2019, 11:08:27 am »
Blah blah blah blah blah …

… says the man who thinks 5.2 is more than 6.75.
Translation: My argument has been totally demolished and all I have left is to claim my opponent said something he did not in fact say and completely fails to grasp the point of the argument.

Also 5.2 CAN BE more than 6.75. In fact 4.67 can be more than 6.75. How?

When the energy released by three earthquakes, one 9.0 and the other two are 2.0, averaging 4.67 on vs. the total energy released by 3 Earthquakes of 6.75 magnitude, averaging 6.75.

I may not know math as well as you, but that's irrelevant because unlike you, I know enough to stop and ask if we're dealing with a situation where the difference between 7 and 8 is a (I don't even know the term- evenly distributed?) one OR is it one where there are orders of magnitude of difference? More importantly, what are the results when values reach a certain point?


Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #456 on: June 16, 2019, 11:17:31 am »
Ragu is #1 on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Grocery-Gourmet-Food-641720-Pasta-Sauce/zgbs/grocery/16321271

Just sayin'.

You know there's a pretty good Italian restaurant near me that every month sends out coupons. One is a BOGO for any of their dinners and the other is a BOGO for any pizza. Great deals, man.

But for lunch today I'm having a turkey salad sandwich and a sweet juicy California orange.  Yummy.
Ragu certainly caught up, but Ragu instead of pursuing a sauce that was 7/10 to everyone, focused on delivering sauces that were 10/10 (at the time) for some customers and a different sauce that was 10/10 for others (or at least creating that perception).

Since then customers have gotten more discerning, sweeter pasta sauce isn't as valued, and consumers want more high-end options. Like I said, 10/10 before can be subject to change by new products that come out and claim the "10" mantle.

Anyways, I must be doing well (on this issue) if even gogators! can only give a half-hearted rebuttal and is more focused on his turkey sandwich.

And damn, a turkey sandwich sounds good and getting a nice one in Korea is not the easiest thing. gogators! ftw.


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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #457 on: June 16, 2019, 02:51:33 pm »
Blah blah blah blah blah …

… says the man who thinks 5.2 is more than 6.75.
Translation: My argument has been totally demolished and all I have left is to claim my opponent said something he did not in fact say and completely fails to grasp the point of the argument.

Also 5.2 CAN BE more than 6.75. In fact 4.67 can be more than 6.75. How?

When the energy released by three earthquakes, one 9.0 and the other two are 2.0, averaging 4.67 on vs. the total energy released by 3 Earthquakes of 6.75 magnitude, averaging 6.75.

I may not know math as well as you, but that's irrelevant because unlike you, I know enough to stop and ask if we're dealing with a situation where the difference between 7 and 8 is a (I don't even know the term- evenly distributed?) one OR is it one where there are orders of magnitude of difference? More importantly, what are the results when values reach a certain point?
You're not fooling anyone.  When you posted, you felt sure that those numbers worked out to support your argument.  But, the problem is you're just not too bright, so you got it wrong.

I'm not sure why you've continued to blather on about spaghetti sauce, platinum records and other completely irrelevant BS--I literally stopped reading after about the third one.  Please leave the thread for a while so we can go back to discussing, y'know, US Politics.

Oh, and the Richter scale is logarithmic so it's useless to average the values arithmetically.  But … see above.  Not that scientists use the Richter scale, anyway.


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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #458 on: June 16, 2019, 06:02:39 pm »
Ragu is #1 on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Grocery-Gourmet-Food-641720-Pasta-Sauce/zgbs/grocery/16321271

Just sayin'.

You know there's a pretty good Italian restaurant near me that every month sends out coupons. One is a BOGO for any of their dinners and the other is a BOGO for any pizza. Great deals, man.

But for lunch today I'm having a turkey salad sandwich and a sweet juicy California orange.  Yummy.
Ragu certainly caught up, but Ragu instead of pursuing a sauce that was 7/10 to everyone, focused on delivering sauces that were 10/10 (at the time) for some customers and a different sauce that was 10/10 for others (or at least creating that perception).

Since then customers have gotten more discerning, sweeter pasta sauce isn't as valued, and consumers want more high-end options. Like I said, 10/10 before can be subject to change by new products that come out and claim the "10" mantle.

Anyways, I must be doing well (on this issue) if even gogators! can only give a half-hearted rebuttal and is more focused on his turkey sandwich.

And damn, a turkey sandwich sounds good and getting a nice one in Korea is not the easiest thing. gogators! ftw.
What was your position at Ragu that made you privy to all of their  strategies? 

Cafe Mama's for turkey sandwiches in Korea. Easy.


Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #459 on: June 17, 2019, 12:09:14 am »
You're not fooling anyone.
You seem to have fooled yourself. Quote me where I said that. You can't.

If you had a choice between selling two products, which would you choose? A) A product that 20% of the people gave 10/10 and were deeply loyal/possibly addicted to OR B) A product which 80% of people gave 7/10?

If you have a lick of business sense you choose product A. There's no guarantee anyone buys Product B. There is with A. It's very rare for a product like product A to ever become defunct. Something seriously improved has to come along. On the other hand there's 10s of thousands of product Bs that have come and gone or never were.

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Please leave the thread for a while so we can go back to discussing, y'know, US Politics.
You're the one who brought it up and resurrected it.

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What was your position at Ragu that made you privy to all of their  strategies? 
The Prego-Ragu thing is pretty famous in the industry and food production and marketing in general.