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Re: White Terror
« Reply #200 on: December 06, 2018, 12:56:00 pm »
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Yes, it was a slang term for cigarettes back in the day, but it's also a homophobic slur.

No, it was a slang term for cigarettes back in the day but it wasn't a homophobic slur in the UK and Aus until later, due to US influence, when I guess they decided to get rid of the name. Regressives disregarding linear time again.

By the way, it's still a slang term for cigarettes
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Re: White Terror
« Reply #201 on: December 06, 2018, 01:00:20 pm »
What's the point trying to be made here?

As an Australian I will be the first to say back in the day there was some amazingly racist actions taken by the government, like "2 wongs don't make a white" is my personal favourite...but that was back then. Today, sure there are still some racist people around but every country has people who are racist, doesn't make the ENTIRE country racist.

People are trying to give us a history lesson like we don't know?! Like whats your point? Do you want us to be like 'oh you're right we are scum, send us convicts to a new island'??!

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Well you Trumpist/Brexit types are certainly doing a good job of making fascism and white supremacy current and relevant again instead of relics of the past. Good job!

I think you'll find it's mostly people on the left desperately trying to make out fascism and white supremacy are still a thing but failing miserably.


Re: White Terror
« Reply #202 on: December 06, 2018, 01:12:20 pm »

I think you'll find it's mostly people on the left desperately trying to make out fascism and white supremacy are still a thing but failing miserably.

are you saying that fascism and white supremacy are no longer around?


Re: White Terror
« Reply #203 on: December 06, 2018, 01:21:52 pm »

I think you'll find it's mostly people on the left desperately trying to make out fascism and white supremacy are still a thing but failing miserably.

are you saying that fascism and white supremacy are no longer around?

No, genuine fascists and genuine white supremacists are still around, like those in American history X or the klu Klux clan. Maybe even Richard Spencer, I haven't heard is views, but they aren't a 'thing' in the sense that they're not mainstream.


Re: White Terror
« Reply #204 on: December 06, 2018, 02:03:59 pm »

I think you'll find it's mostly people on the left desperately trying to make out fascism and white supremacy are still a thing but failing miserably.

are you saying that fascism and white supremacy are no longer around?

No, genuine fascists and genuine white supremacists are still around, like those in American history X or the klu Klux clan. Maybe even Richard Spencer, I haven't heard is views, but they aren't a 'thing' in the sense that they're not mainstream.

were klan style white supremacists ever "mainstream"?


Re: White Terror
« Reply #205 on: December 06, 2018, 02:13:29 pm »

I think you'll find it's mostly people on the left desperately trying to make out fascism and white supremacy are still a thing but failing miserably.

are you saying that fascism and white supremacy are no longer around?

No, genuine fascists and genuine white supremacists are still around, like those in American history X or the klu Klux clan. Maybe even Richard Spencer, I haven't heard is views, but they aren't a 'thing' in the sense that they're not mainstream.

were klan style white supremacists ever "mainstream"?

No, but it's gone down from about 40,000 members to 5-8,000


Re: White Terror
« Reply #206 on: December 06, 2018, 02:17:25 pm »

I think you'll find it's mostly people on the left desperately trying to make out fascism and white supremacy are still a thing but failing miserably.

are you saying that fascism and white supremacy are no longer around?

No, genuine fascists and genuine white supremacists are still around, like those in American history X or the klu Klux clan. Maybe even Richard Spencer, I haven't heard is views, but they aren't a 'thing' in the sense that they're not mainstream.

were klan style white supremacists ever "mainstream"?

No, but it's gone down from about 40,000 members to 5-8,000

so maybe your original statement should've been:

"I think you'll find it's mostly people on the left desperately trying to make out fascism and white supremacy are still as much of a thing as they used to be."

Contrary to your original statement, these things are still around "a thing."


Re: White Terror
« Reply #207 on: December 06, 2018, 02:27:51 pm »
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"I think you'll find it's mostly people on the left desperately trying to make out fascism and white supremacy are still as much of a thing as they used to be."

No, I just mentioned the Klan has shrunk to 5-8,000 members so white supremacist minority groups are not as much of a thing as they used to be.

However that wasn't really what I was talking about. It was more calling people white supremacists and fascists when they're not.


Re: White Terror
« Reply #208 on: December 06, 2018, 02:34:25 pm »
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"I think you'll find it's mostly people on the left desperately trying to make out fascism and white supremacy are still as much of a thing as they used to be."

No, I just mentioned the Klan has shrunk to 5-8,000 members so white supremacist minority groups are not as much of a thing as they used to be.

However that wasn't really what I was talking about. It was more calling people white supremacists and fascists when they're not.

That's not what you said though. And yeah I agree they're not as much of a thing. That's not a reason not to be vigilant.


Re: White Terror
« Reply #209 on: December 06, 2018, 11:41:27 pm »
Well you Trumpist/Brexit types are certainly doing a good job of making fascism and white supremacy current and relevant again instead of relics of the past. Good job!

What on earth does Brexit have to do with white supremacy, let alone fascism?


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Re: White Terror
« Reply #210 on: December 07, 2018, 03:19:09 am »
tribalism / nationalism / isolationism


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Re: White Terror
« Reply #211 on: December 07, 2018, 03:39:28 am »
Well you Trumpist/Brexit types are certainly doing a good job of making fascism and white supremacy current and relevant again instead of relics of the past. Good job!

What on earth does Brexit have to do with white supremacy, let alone fascism?

I'm surprised he didn't include Australians in his basket of deplorable promoting white supremacy! ;D
After all that country didn't allow it's indigenous people to vote until the 1960s you know.


Re: White Terror
« Reply #212 on: December 07, 2018, 09:25:12 am »
tribalism / nationalism / isolationism
For some, sure.

Others might be in more of the Dan Hannan vein where they think Brexit lets the UK avoid red tape and would let them act more swiftly and independently to make deals with emerging markets and focus more over the horizons than on Europe and being able to focus on labor from around the world rather than immigration through the EU. And the big point being that the UK should have final say on that.

I think that's a pretty reasonable debate. The EU provides clout behind any deal, but it's going to be slower and creakier. It's certainly a debate that liberals and conservatives should be able to have amongst themselves and within their parties without rancor.


Re: White Terror
« Reply #213 on: December 07, 2018, 12:14:45 pm »
Well you Trumpist/Brexit types are certainly doing a good job of making fascism and white supremacy current and relevant again instead of relics of the past. Good job!

What on earth does Brexit have to do with white supremacy, let alone fascism?

Ask eggieguffer the Daily Mail fanboy always crying about leftist conspiracies to take away his lager and white van. Engerlannnnnnd!
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Re: White Terror
« Reply #214 on: December 07, 2018, 08:23:30 pm »
tribalism / nationalism / isolationism

That's a dishonest / ignorant caricature of Brexit if ever heard one.


Re: White Terror
« Reply #215 on: December 07, 2018, 08:27:07 pm »
What on earth does Brexit have to do with white supremacy, let alone fascism?

Ask eggieguffer the Daily Mail fanboy always crying about leftist conspiracies to take away his lager and white van. Engerlannnnnnd!

Cos only working class white Englishmen drink lager and drive white vans.


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Re: White Terror
« Reply #216 on: December 07, 2018, 08:53:45 pm »
tribalism / nationalism / isolationism

That's a dishonest / ignorant caricature of Brexit if ever heard one.
I don't necessarily agree with Brexit, per se, but this is the go to argument.

"So, you hate immigrants?"

It's the same argument with "The Wall."

No, not wanting Pakistanis who want the UK to be like Pakistan is not racist. Wanting the UK to be "white" (this is not what I think, but it is what I hear) is not racist. I don't come to Korea and want them to kowtow to me. I love Itaewon, I love having some poutine options in Seoul, but I don't want Korea to create a "comfortable area" for me. I'm in Korea, I understand that most restos will be soondaeguk................ or samgyeop................or jjigae restos. Food and languages are the cornerstone of any society. I hear Korean and I see their food.

It's the same in the west. I don't care of there's 100 halal restaurants......... I don't care if you speak Farsi or arabic, or punjab.

But if there is an enclave that pressures that mindset............... That makes the majority feel like they can't do their thing............  Sorry, no. There will be a backlash. I've seen the videos of England. I've seen the videos. If there were people in Canada who wanted laws against our values, you bet your ass I would fight them.

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Re: White Terror
« Reply #217 on: December 07, 2018, 10:03:56 pm »
What on earth does Brexit have to do with white supremacy, let alone fascism?

Ask eggieguffer the Daily Mail fanboy always crying about leftist conspiracies to take away his lager and white van. Engerlannnnnnd!

Cos only working class white Englishmen drink lager and drive white vans.

Actually Mayorhaggar is siding with the snobby left-leaning elite in the UK by this kind of comment, as summed up by Emily Thornberry's resignation back in 2014

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-30139832

Personally I prefer bitter to lager, don't drive ,didn't vote for Brexit and live abroad. I do read the Mail online,  though I read all the other online UK newspaper that are free.

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Re: White Terror
« Reply #218 on: December 07, 2018, 10:32:10 pm »
Most of the opposition are ghastly but Thornberry is particularly egregious.

But yeah, CO2, if opposing a draconian, third-world mentality is racist, then I'm probably the world's biggest chauvinist.


Re: White Terror
« Reply #219 on: December 08, 2018, 06:06:11 am »
tribalism / nationalism / isolationism

That's a dishonest / ignorant caricature of Brexit if ever heard one.
I don't necessarily agree with Brexit, per se, but this is the go to argument.

"So, you hate immigrants?"

It's the same argument with "The Wall."

No, not wanting Pakistanis who want the UK to be like Pakistan is not racist. Wanting the UK to be "white" (this is not what I think, but it is what I hear) is not racist. I don't come to Korea and want them to kowtow to me. I love Itaewon, I love having some poutine options in Seoul, but I don't want Korea to create a "comfortable area" for me. I'm in Korea, I understand that most restos will be soondaeguk................ or samgyeop................or jjigae restos. Food and languages are the cornerstone of any society. I hear Korean and I see their food.

It's the same in the west. I don't care of there's 100 halal restaurants......... I don't care if you speak Farsi or arabic, or punjab.

But if there is an enclave that pressures that mindset............... That makes the majority feel like they can't do their thing............  Sorry, no. There will be a backlash. I've seen the videos of England. I've seen the videos. If there were people in Canada who wanted laws against our values, you bet your ass I would fight them.

The world is not a buffet of equal ideas. Some are shit.

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