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  • Super Waygook

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    • September 05, 2019, 06:37:44 pm
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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #260 on: December 14, 2019, 10:15:51 am »
"The working class have voted" for a coterie of Etonian quasi-aristocrats, sitting on massive piles of inherited wealth, much of which they hide in offshore tax shelters via their connections to the transnational financial elite, and whose Conservative party exists primarily to protect their privilege and advance their class interests. Congratulations!


  • waygo0k
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    • September 27, 2011, 11:51:01 am
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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #261 on: December 14, 2019, 10:27:45 am »
But get Brexit done!

That way, the Etonians and their international counterparts will magically trickle down their inherited wealth to those that have been deprived of livelihoods, oppportunities and social services...right after they buy more public assets for pennies to the pound and rent them back to the public at 10X the price.

At least it’ll keep the foreigners out...until their Etonian overlords and their billionaire friends decide they want cheaper labour...which will be at the first opportunity.

Gosh we are so fecked.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2019, 10:41:00 am by waygo0k »


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  • The Legend

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    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #262 on: December 14, 2019, 11:31:42 am »
my dad and his friends have had recent complaints about hospitals, slow broadband and the cost of train tickets. but they refuse to vote for labour because "socialism is bad!!". when i tried to point out that free healthcare, nationalised railways and broadband were....socialist policies, their only response was something like, "but corbyn is a nutter". it's infuriating. people got the govt they deserve


Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #263 on: December 14, 2019, 02:07:08 pm »
free healthcare

So you don't pay the doctors? Steal the medical supplies and devices?

If "free healthcare" means taxpayers are forced to pay for it regardless of how wasteful and inefficient it is, can we do the same for the military? The USA doesn't have a military industrial complex, it has free military! They don't spend ONE TRILLION dollars per year incarcerating people, many for non violent "crimes", they have free prison!


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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #264 on: December 14, 2019, 02:37:33 pm »
what are you talking about?


Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #265 on: December 15, 2019, 01:15:48 pm »
Why am I not surprised that a leftist think government health care is "free"?


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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #266 on: December 15, 2019, 02:58:50 pm »
jesus christ. i could have said, "health care that of course we all pay tax for but if you go to the hospital and want some treatment you don't have to pay anything extra". but of course, everyone knows what i meant by "free healthcare"

let's just ban the word "free" altogether then, shall we? free school meals, free transport for the elderly, free schooling. nOnE oF tHaT iS ReAlLy FreE, YoU KnOw


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    • March 05, 2019, 06:36:13 pm
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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #267 on: December 15, 2019, 05:04:59 pm »
The pedant safe expression is 'free at the point of entry' . The problem with health care that is free at the point of entry is that the following things are also free at the point of entry

Gastric by-pass operations
Cosmetic surgery, if you can convince them your big nose is causing psychological problems
Appointments discussing your big nose with a psychiatrist
Illegal immigrant healthcare
Tourist healthcare
Missed appointments
Treatments that are ignored and cause problems to re-occur.
Sick leave which is far above the average for the private sector
Crutches, wheelchairs, intontinence pants etc. that are purchased at way above the market rate.
Taxi service for drunks

« Last Edit: December 15, 2019, 05:17:27 pm by stoat »


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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #268 on: December 15, 2019, 05:47:31 pm »
The pedant safe expression is 'free at the point of entry' . The problem with health care that is free at the point of entry is that the following things are also free at the point of entry

Gastric by-pass operations
Cosmetic surgery, if you can convince them your big nose is causing psychological problems
Appointments discussing your big nose with a psychiatrist
Illegal immigrant healthcare
Tourist healthcare
Missed appointments
Treatments that are ignored and cause problems to re-occur.
Sick leave which is far above the average for the private sector
Crutches, wheelchairs, intontinence pants etc. that are purchased at way above the market rate.
Taxi service for drunks



*Free at the point of use.

How much is being spent on these things that you disapprove of? (Numbers, boy, numbers).

Or is this one of tropes akin to "everyone is defrauding the benefits system" when the numbers put it at around 1% of the total budget?
oo oo ahh ahh


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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #269 on: December 15, 2019, 05:50:20 pm »
Its always nice to make bold claims about systematic abuse without bothering to back it up with actual figures.

Conservative tactic 101


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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #270 on: December 15, 2019, 06:45:55 pm »
So which of those things do you think don't happen?


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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #271 on: December 15, 2019, 09:47:32 pm »
USA BE BEST SOCIALIST MEDICARE!
incumbo studiis


Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #272 on: December 16, 2019, 07:12:21 am »
The pedant safe expression is 'free at the point of entry' . The problem with health care that is free at the point of entry is that the following things are also free at the point of entry

Gastric by-pass operations
Cosmetic surgery, if you can convince them your big nose is causing psychological problems
Appointments discussing your big nose with a psychiatrist
Illegal immigrant healthcare
Tourist healthcare
Missed appointments
Treatments that are ignored and cause problems to re-occur.
Sick leave which is far above the average for the private sector
Crutches, wheelchairs, intontinence pants etc. that are purchased at way above the market rate.
Taxi service for drunks

 :laugh:

Daily Mail tripe...

 :laugh:


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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #273 on: December 16, 2019, 07:41:28 am »
colburnn is right. Working class, xenophobic voters have won, but we've all lost.

Thanks, and yes I am right.

For the past 3 years, most of the left wingers out there have sneered at and looked down their noses at those who voted for Brexit. Calling those who you wish to convince, xenophobic, racist, bigoted, chavs is possibly the worst thing you could have done. Even after Labour got REKT most are still at it, like an ostrich with his head 2 feet down in the sand.

To win people over in this game, you have to listen to what they want. They told you, you didn't listen. Brexit may or may not be successful, but that is what the UK chose. You ignored them, and they told you to get f*****.

Yes, there are other factors at play, but first and foremost this was about Brexit. Boris with all of his flaws, loves the UK, and millions of other people do too. With the other side of the coin telling us that the UK is bad, worrying about which toilet someone in a dress can use, and walking down the street with dildos on their heads in front of kids. Boris is not, and thats what the UK (outside of metropolitan bubbles) wants. We want to worry about our communities not be told we are evil for doing so.

You can ignore those things if you want, its totally up to you. But all you are doing is hammering another nail in the Labour coffin.

The government works for the people, not the other way around. Anyone who forgets that will get a big old boot up the a***. Just like the utter rejection we saw on Thursday night.

We didn't lose. The people won. The UK won.


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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #274 on: December 16, 2019, 07:52:45 am »
Mother Russia agrees!
incumbo studiis


Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #275 on: December 16, 2019, 08:01:21 am »
We didn't lose. The people won. The UK won.

The general public 'won' in the short term, but in the long term, we all lost.

Problem being, the general public are idiots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iv7tEnTJQw


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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #276 on: December 16, 2019, 08:02:12 am »
Don't call people out for the bigotry otherwise they might vote against their own interests, and the interests of their children and grandchildren!

The same people were dead quiet when windrush victims were being targeted up and down the country. They were dead quiet when Poles were being spat at in the street and told to go home. They are the first to tell victims of discrimination to "suck it up", they are the first to complain about English not being spoken in the street but they themselves got a grade E in their GCSE English, if they bothered to pass at all, they are the first to laugh and laugh the loudest when someone makes a bacon + muslims joke...but the moment you call them out for their racism/homphobia/islamophobia/antisemitism/xenophobia, all hell breaks loose and you are being unfair to them!

Oh well, congratulations...y ou handed the keys to the safe to the bankers and super capitalists, because someone called you out on your bigotry. You handed your pension, your job security, our schools, your hospitals, your police, your fire service, your military all to super capitalists on a silver platter...because you want to be able to say and do all the bigoted things you want without repercussions.

Oh well, congratulations! You won! Let's see where we are this time next year, and the year after that, and after that. 9 years of Tory rule so far have been nothing short of fantastic growth and improvements...righ t?


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  • Super Waygook

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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #277 on: December 16, 2019, 08:46:40 am »
Hmmmm, how can I get it through to people that I think Brexit is a bad idea...

Hmmmmmmmmmm AH HAH!! I'll go on TV and tell those who want to leave that they are idiots!

*People tell you to get f***** in UK election*

''OMG such racist, bigots, f*** those people in small English towns''


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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #278 on: December 16, 2019, 09:00:21 am »
Don't call people out for the bigotry otherwise they might vote against their own interests, and the interests of their children and grandchildren!

The same people were dead quiet when windrush victims were being targeted up and down the country. They were dead quiet when Poles were being spat at in the street and told to go home. They are the first to tell victims of discrimination to "suck it up", they are the first to complain about English not being spoken in the street but they themselves got a grade E in their GCSE English, if they bothered to pass at all, they are the first to laugh and laugh the loudest when someone makes a bacon + muslims joke...but the moment you call them out for their racism/homphobia/islamophobia/antisemitism/xenophobia, all hell breaks loose and you are being unfair to them!

Oh well, congratulations...y ou handed the keys to the safe to the bankers and super capitalists, because someone called you out on your bigotry. You handed your pension, your job security, our schools, your hospitals, your police, your fire service, your military all to super capitalists on a silver platter...because you want to be able to say and do all the bigoted things you want without repercussions.

Oh well, congratulations! You won! Let's see where we are this time next year, and the year after that, and after that. 9 years of Tory rule so far have been nothing short of fantastic growth and improvements...righ t?

They decide what their interests are. Not you. Not the news. Not Channel 4 chat shows. Not Z-List celebs on Twitter. Them.

You seem to be truly against a Tory government. Then WHY are you not addressing the things that people care about? Why are you not having conversations with them about local projects, the changes in their communities, the obvious mass immigration and segregation that has occurred in these places. Why are you unwilling to have a conversation, not with people in the internet bubble, but on doorsteps? Perhaps you will hear things that you don't want to hear. The reality.

I think I know why. Because you have pushed the conversation into the ground, you've silenced them, you've slandered them, you treated them like dirt because they chose LEAVE and don't think the same way as you. They are screamed at by lunatics whenever they try and tell you whats wrong. You have taken their voice away.

They only way they can speak is with an X. And a slient 'get f*****' is just as powerful as a loud one.



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Re: Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)
« Reply #279 on: December 16, 2019, 09:20:36 am »

They decide what their interests are. Not you. Not the news. Not Channel 4 chat shows. Not Z-List celebs on Twitter. Them.

You seem to be truly against a Tory government. Then WHY are you not addressing the things that people care about? Why are you not having conversations with them about local projects, the changes in their communities, the obvious mass immigration and segregation that has occurred in these places. Why are you unwilling to have a conversation, not with people in the internet bubble, but on doorsteps? Perhaps you will hear things that you don't want to hear. The reality.

I think I know why. Because you have pushed the conversation into the ground, you've silenced them, you've slandered them, you treated them like dirt because they chose LEAVE and don't think the same way as you. They are screamed at by lunatics whenever they try and tell you whats wrong. You have taken their voice away.

They only way they can speak is with an X. And a slient 'get f*****' is just as powerful as a loud one.



You have answered this question yourself.

These people decided to segregate themselves. They don't want to talk, they don't want to be engaged, they don't want to change. They have an idea in their minds and that's it, nothing will change it.

Interesting how you glossed over everything I posted and STILL expect me to pander to people who refuse to acknowledge my experience and existence. Welcome to BAME, LGBTQ, muslim, hundu and immigrant life in general in the UK. Suck all the discrimination up, but also suck up to those who discriminate against you...because that's what is expected of you. If these people are happy with the last 9 years of Tory rule, more power to them! They won, they get to lie in the bed they made for themselves.

As for me and other people who have spent our lives knowing what it means to be marginalised in Britain...yeah, sucking up to people who want nothing to do with us isn't an option. The projects are there for all to see. The changes are there for all to see. The opportunities for engagement are there for anyone who wants to take that first step...but little England has decided it likes being little.

Good luck working with the people who can't wait to start charging you 10 for a packet of paracetamol...becau se god forbid someone call you out on your bigotry!