Waygook's Unofficial 2nd Brexit Vote (The People's Vote)

I've said it before and I'll say it again, while the concept of the EU is laudable, it's structure is fundamentally flawed. And rather than sinking costs into something that is inherently flawed and a terrible mechanism for governance, they should tear it down and start anew. However, the people that run the EU are too proud and stubborn to do such a thing and thus they've tried to convince people that the EU is the only thing standing between Europe and World War III and thus they need to support it or a massive tied of war and racism will overrun the continent. Stop sinking resources and effort into something that needs to be scrapped and replaced. This same principle is found in all sorts of fields- engineering, business, military science, agriculture, etc.

By leaving the EU, and hopefully setting a model for other countries to leave, the UK will help hasten the demise of this flawed, over-engineered bad piece of design. Much like the Articles of Confederation lead to the U.S. government that has been stable for over 200 years, so too can the demise of the EU pave the way for something better to take its place.

I think quite a few US states would love to leave the Union. Not to mention the Southern States which are just a drain on resources and taxpayer money.

The UK plan after leaving the EU is...

That's right, there isn't one. The only model they have thought of is to just leave.

The UK plan after leaving the EU is...

That's right, there isn't one. The only model they have thought of is to just leave.

Focus on the high growth markets of Africa, Latin America, and Asia and sign deals more specifically suited to both countries, without having to wait for the EU bureaucratic slog and headache of dealing with two separate legal systems.

high growth markets

LOL
You'd need water for that.

The UK plan after leaving the EU is...

Of course, there isn't one.  Historically, the UK has wriggled and griped about its membership of the EU since it joined.  The UK thinks it should get special treatment or be treated differently through some perceived superiority it has through its glorious history.  Fka is also right about the drip of anti-EU nonsense over decades that has an effect on people, I mean those pesky foreigners who want us to have straight bananas.    

The long and the short of it is the Brexit lies that were used to get people to leave were just that, lies.  But the UK didn't vote for a no-deal Brexit.  It voted for a Brexit, but not one without a deal at the end of it.  Like anyone thought it'd be easy to divorce yourself from a nearly 5-decade association.  I suspect the large majority of Brits would accept a Brexit if it were put to the public again, and Brexit won again.  That's all we are saying.  Now we know what's on the table with Brexit, people can make more of an informed choice, as it was not what was offered in the original referendum. 

My mum had a great time on Saturday.  Lots of lovely people.  Lots of lovely chatting.  Obviously, she enjoyed a nice sit down after it all and a cup of tea. 

weird how brexit went from being "the easiest deal in history" and we were expected to have a "Norwegian-style agreement" to somehow changing, with a no-deal brexit was somehow what everyone voted for in 2016

it's all just nonsense at this point. "the will of the people" still being used even after the PMs have tried to shove the same vote through parliament a billion times

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HDFegpX5gI

Focus on the high growth markets of Africa, Latin America, and Asia and sign deals more specifically suited to both countries, without having to wait for the EU bureaucratic slog and headache of dealing with two separate legal systems.

Yeahhhh...those countries are saying "thanks, but no thanks, we'd like our stolen historical artifacts and wealth back though, and please stop instigating military conflicts within our borders".

What does the UK have to offer these countries, that they currently cannot and do not get from China, the EU and the US?

Fka is also right about the drip of anti-EU nonsense over decades that has an effect on people, I mean those pesky foreigners who want us to have straight bananas.   

It's worth pointing out that anti EU sentiments have also traditionally come from Socialist groups and trade unions in the UK and prominent left-wing figures such as Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn, who thought it was anti-democratic, so it's not just down to the right wing tabloids. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No2EU

high growth markets

LOL
You'd need water for that.

Your map shows the UK having no water scarcity. Those other countries having some water scarcity. That imbalance right there can be the basis for trade.

Yeahhhh...those countries are saying "thanks, but no thanks, we'd like our stolen historical artifacts and wealth back though, and please stop instigating military conflicts within our borders".

What does the UK have to offer these countries, that they currently cannot and do not get from China, the EU and the US?

Fine, give up some historical artifacts. BFD.

They can offer British products and services. Japan and Korea are single, solitary nations that have managed to find their way. The UK can too.

Why do folks like an outside entity passing rules and regulations concerning your nation?  I guess to each their own since I'm not Brit.  Never liked Theresa May.  She was just another anti Trump loser always complaining about him.  From the outside, she seemed wishy washy and fake. 

Why do folks like an outside entity passing rules and regulations concerning your nation?  I guess to each their own since I'm not Brit.  Never liked Theresa May.  She was just another anti Trump loser always complaining about him.  From the outside, she seemed wishy washy and fake. 

She's a politician. Aside from the odd revolutionary, they're all wishy-washy and fake. That's basically their job.

Right, UK, you have a big chance today, don't fook it up again or I'm going to be furious.  Right!

i'm gonna go and hide in a fridge until the results are in

i'm gonna go and hide in a fridge until the results are in

You are Indiana Jones?

Thing is, we can't really hide from it.  It's while I'm at school tomorrow.    It's my school test period so I have maybe two invigilating periods in the morning and then I'm free for the rest of the day, so avoiding it is almost impossible.  I've watched trump be elected and the brexit vote, this had better not be the third in a pattern of shit.

Usually, if I'm watching Arsenal here, and they're losing, I always stop watching around the 70-minute mark and then go to bed, and then hope they pull a goal or two back.   That is my crap superstition, and sometimes it works.  But then we sold Giroud and he was usually the guy to pull it out of the bag.  If the election starts going downhill, maybe I'll switch off, and hope Giroud can stop Brexit. 

didn't see?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/11/boris-johnson-hides-in-fridge-to-avoid-piers-morgan-interview

Right, UK, you have a big chance today, don't fook it up again or I'm going to be furious.  Right!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhdO_bYby1U

didn't see?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/11/boris-johnson-hides-in-fridge-to-avoid-piers-morgan-interview

Nope.  Also, I hate Piers Morgan more than Boris Johnson.  Not even Morgan being an Arsenal fan redeems him in the least. 

i will say this: piers is a complete ****. i agree. but during this campaign he has really been good at grilling MPs (especially the tories, and he's a tory himself  believe), and doesn't let them get away with anything.

wasn't johnson accusing corbyn of being a chicken recently..? boris has been running away from almost every interview recently

The problem is, much like the US election is the alternative is just a dumpster fire. I'm not sure anyone really wanted Trump. They just didn't want Hilary. The same applies today. Boris is a joker and a liar, but the alternative is worse! If only Labour had put forward a likeable leader, they would have had it in the bag... :(

If you believe the polls then Labour will be lucky to hang onto a hung parliament.

Boris is a joker and a liar, but the alternative is worse! If only Labour had put forward a likeable leader, they would have had it in the bag... :(

I had a discussion along these lines a couple of months back with mum. Even though she's 80 she still travelled from the Peak District down to London for the marches. Basically, it's safe to say that there is a majority of Labour MPS who would want a second referendum.  And I'm pretty sure that there is enough public demand for a second referendum that if Corbyn had come out and demanded that he wanted that, he'd get a load of support.  But he just dilli-dallied around and didn't say anything that forcefully. A while back, I thought that he seemed like a good choice, but the more he didn't say something about demanding a second referendum, the more he'd look like a weak idiot.  Mum thought it was because he was 'principled' that is why he didn't say something as he's not exactly an EU lover.   But still.  Where is the harm in coming out with a strong position for a second vote?  I'm not sure when he finally quietly mentioned something about wanting a second vote, but it was too late.  By then, he just annoyed me.  I still think there is a massive part of the population who support a second referendum and he didn't tap into this, he just stood around, waiting, which made him look like a dick.  But to me, he's still better than Johnson.  I mean what a massive fukcing cant he is.  I still blame Merton and Hislop for this.