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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #120 on: October 02, 2018, 01:35:50 pm »
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Again, the precedence this sets is much larger than a job interview. If you can be taken out of a job just because of accusations with no concrete evidence, what's stopping the public from doing the same to their bosses? Don't like your boss? Just say he touched you. Competing for a job against someone? Just lie. The only thing stopping people from doing that is the burden of proof, it's fundamental to fairness in all cases of judgement.

That's why she's had her statement checked by the Senate judiciary committee, given sworn testimony, taken a polygraph and is now working with the FBI. Nobody wants the kind of situation you're describing. I know you don't believe that a person should never report sexual assault cases unless there is concrete material evidence, so what do you suggest that they do? What if her statement is true - would you prefer that she stayed silent?

Yikes.. I used the example I did to show the importance of innocence until proven guilty. People should absolutely come forward, including Ford. But it shouldn't get any special circumstances compared to other crimes just because it's particularly traumatic and personal. For example, if my bank is robbed 35 years ago, there's no witnesses, I didn't tell anyone, didn't take any photos, and just bottled it up this entire time, there's little the justice system can do to bring justice. The sooner you can at least tell someone, or take pictures of bruises or the place it happened, or recount what the person looked like, or report it, the better your odds are that justice will be served to the perpetrator.

It is not a matter of argument, it is a matter of fact.

This is not a criminal prosecution, Kavanagh’s liberty is not under threat of imprisonment. He is not innocent until proven guilty. Either construct of guilt or innocence is irrelevant in this hearing.

It is Kavanagh’s opportunity to convince the congress and the American people that he is worthy of sitting on the Supreme Court. There is a necessarily higher burden of proof on him to prove that he is honest, trust worthy and of unquestionable character in order to be given the privilege and responsibility of overseeing the criminal justice system. 

Any doubt would automatically disqualify him from standing.

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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #121 on: October 02, 2018, 01:48:37 pm »
I don't know what the exact line is between being credible enough to warrant inquiry and not credible, but it's somewhere inbetween Dr. Ford's credible testimony and Swetnick's nonsense.

If you think "accusations" are enough, then I hope that you'd agree that while Ford's might be enough, Swetnick's is obviously not enough. Hers is beyond non-credible, it's more credible to assume she's lying.

Ramirez's is really on the edge of being not non-credible and non-credible.


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #122 on: October 02, 2018, 02:01:17 pm »
And how credible was Kavanaugh's evasive, partisan and at time's hysterical testimony?
An appropriate and credible temperament for a judge of the supreme court?
Beyond reproach?  :laugh:


Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #123 on: October 02, 2018, 02:17:26 pm »
And how credible was Kavanaugh's evasive, partisan and at time's hysterical testimony?
An appropriate and credible temperament for a judge of the supreme court?
Beyond reproach?  :laugh:
Kavanaugh's performance had some mixed things. On the one hand he seemed pretty credible in denying the big stuff. On the other hand, I do think he obfuscated on some of the details with legalistic "just barely not lies" type answers. However, I do think this has to be put in the context of a poltical hearing with one side having pre-judged him (with some giving credence to what is looking like a false allegation from Swetnick) and also the fact that the public isn't always good at nuanced arguments and such and the tendency of the media to take things out of context and distort it.

Temperament wise, that's one of those things people would blame him for no matter how he acted. If he was calm people would say he was "detached". If he was concerned, people would say "he looked shaken".

Can we agree that Swetnick was absolutely awful in her interview? THAT was someone who is outright lying. Worlds apart from Ford and Kavanaugh.


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #124 on: October 02, 2018, 02:39:35 pm »
Swetnick is a red herrings.  She didn't testify.
She isn't running for the SCOTUS so her credibility and temperament are irrelevant.
She may have encountered Kavanaugh but he has created enough doubt by himself without the need for her testimony

The fact that you keep raising her name is evidence of your own attempts at obfuscation.  ;D


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #125 on: October 02, 2018, 02:50:38 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI

This woman analyzes body language and seems to think she's lying. Thought I throw it out there since we're equally analyzing both sides.


Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #126 on: October 02, 2018, 03:01:09 pm »
Swetnick is a red herrings.  She didn't testify.
She isn't running for the SCOTUS so her credibility and temperament are irrelevant.
She may have encountered Kavanaugh but he has created enough doubt by himself without the need for her testimony

The fact that you keep raising her name is evidence of your own attempts at obfuscation.  ;D

She accussed Kavanaugh and her accusation is being used to justify denying Kavanaugh a seat. She's totally relevant.

That being said, she was so epically bad, I do wonder if Avenatti isn't working for Trump and she's a deliberate Red Herring.


Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #127 on: October 02, 2018, 03:02:22 pm »

Kavanaugh's performance had some mixed things.

Yeah... like when he was asked if he ever didn't remember a night after drinking and he asked back "have you?" That dude was being such a baby (at times).


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #128 on: October 02, 2018, 03:06:18 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI

This woman analyzes body language and seems to think she's lying. Thought I throw it out there since we're equally analyzing both sides.

And the comments sections are full of likely believers of "Pizzagate", "Deep State", "QAnon", and "Fake News".

In the interests of fairness, where's the video about Kavanaugh's body language?


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #129 on: October 02, 2018, 03:12:21 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI

This woman analyzes body language and seems to think she's lying. Thought I throw it out there since we're equally analyzing both sides.

And the comments sections are full of likely believers of "Pizzagate", "Deep State", "QAnon", and "Fake News".

In the interests of fairness, where's the video about Kavanaugh's body language?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZAhiJZXgA This is the one they did of the interview before the hearing. Wish she would analyze his hearing too.


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #130 on: October 02, 2018, 03:31:32 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI

This woman analyzes body language and seems to think she's lying. Thought I throw it out there since we're equally analyzing both sides.

And the comments sections are full of likely believers of "Pizzagate", "Deep State", "QAnon", and "Fake News".

In the interests of fairness, where's the video about Kavanaugh's body language?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZAhiJZXgA This is the one they did of the interview before the hearing. Wish she would analyze his hearing too.

Analyze it for yourself !



looked like a toddler chucking a hissy fit in the aisle of a supermarket demanding an ice-cream.




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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #131 on: October 02, 2018, 04:34:59 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI

This woman analyzes body language and seems to think she's lying. Thought I throw it out there since we're equally analyzing both sides.

And the comments sections are full of likely believers of "Pizzagate", "Deep State", "QAnon", and "Fake News".

In the interests of fairness, where's the video about Kavanaugh's body language?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZAhiJZXgA This is the one they did of the interview before the hearing. Wish she would analyze his hearing too.

Analyze it for yourself !



looked like a toddler chucking a hissy fit in the aisle of a supermarket demanding an ice-cream.

So what? Even Cenk from TYT was saying that anger doesn’t prove guilt or innocence. He actually seemed really genuine and truly emotional.
I like how when protestors are emotional and a bit reckless, the media portrays them as brave and passionate.
When it’s a man who’s figuratively getting his balls chopped off in front of millions of people, he’s whiny and not allowed to show emotion.


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #132 on: October 02, 2018, 04:46:17 pm »
I’m back .

I’ll snap a thousand pics of you while you’re chewing your food and post them.
  This is stupid. 
Bonzai!


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #133 on: October 02, 2018, 04:50:01 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI

This woman analyzes body language and seems to think she's lying. Thought I throw it out there since we're equally analyzing both sides.

And the comments sections are full of likely believers of "Pizzagate", "Deep State", "QAnon", and "Fake News".

In the interests of fairness, where's the video about Kavanaugh's body language?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZAhiJZXgA This is the one they did of the interview before the hearing. Wish she would analyze his hearing too.

Analyze it for yourself !



looked like a toddler chucking a hissy fit in the aisle of a supermarket demanding an ice-cream.

 I don’t know.  He looks like someone in v for vendetta or 1984 who is being sentenced by stormtroopers to be sent in to the fire .
Bonzai!


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #134 on: October 02, 2018, 05:28:15 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI

This woman analyzes body language and seems to think she's lying. Thought I throw it out there since we're equally analyzing both sides.

And the comments sections are full of likely believers of "Pizzagate", "Deep State", "QAnon", and "Fake News".

In the interests of fairness, where's the video about Kavanaugh's body language?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZAhiJZXgA This is the one they did of the interview before the hearing. Wish she would analyze his hearing too.

Watched it and she is clearly biased against the Left and FOR Kavennaugh: "He isn't lying".

She isn't some body language expert; just another partisan hack speaking to a specific audience.

She would be destroyed on any "expert" witness stand.


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #135 on: October 02, 2018, 06:12:28 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI

This woman analyzes body language and seems to think she's lying. Thought I throw it out there since we're equally analyzing both sides.

And the comments sections are full of likely believers of "Pizzagate", "Deep State", "QAnon", and "Fake News".

In the interests of fairness, where's the video about Kavanaugh's body language?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZAhiJZXgA This is the one they did of the interview before the hearing. Wish she would analyze his hearing too.

Watched it and she is clearly biased against the Left and FOR Kavennaugh: "He isn't lying".

She isn't some body language expert; just another partisan hack speaking to a specific audience.

She would be destroyed on any "expert" witness stand.

She’s probably biased, but she makes some good points. Ford seemed really unnatural, but maybe she’s just a nerdy, awkward person. Who knows.
At least it all elucidates how dirty our political system is.


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #136 on: October 02, 2018, 06:23:12 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI

This woman analyzes body language and seems to think she's lying. Thought I throw it out there since we're equally analyzing both sides.

And the comments sections are full of likely believers of "Pizzagate", "Deep State", "QAnon", and "Fake News".

In the interests of fairness, where's the video about Kavanaugh's body language?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZAhiJZXgA This is the one they did of the interview before the hearing. Wish she would analyze his hearing too.

Watched it and she is clearly biased against the Left and FOR Kavennaugh: "He isn't lying".

She isn't some body language expert; just another partisan hack speaking to a specific audience.

She would be destroyed on any "expert" witness stand.

She’s probably biased, but she makes some good points. Ford seemed really unnatural, but maybe she’s just a nerdy, awkward person. Who knows.
At least it all elucidates how dirty our political system is.

Unnatural? One of the body language expert's profound observations was: "She is opening and closing her mouth too much." Yeah, that leads to the conclusion that Dr. Ford was lying haha. Probably got her credentials from Trump University.


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #137 on: October 02, 2018, 06:28:14 pm »
I’m back .

I’ll snap a thousand pics of you while you’re chewing your food and post them.
  This is stupid.
Agreed Jimbo.
Body language analysis is absolute BS in regard to this discussion.
Kavanvaugh' s own testimony will be his booffing in the end!


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #138 on: October 03, 2018, 02:47:54 am »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI

This woman analyzes body language and seems to think she's lying. Thought I throw it out there since we're equally analyzing both sides.

And the comments sections are full of likely believers of "Pizzagate", "Deep State", "QAnon", and "Fake News".

In the interests of fairness, where's the video about Kavanaugh's body language?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZAhiJZXgA This is the one they did of the interview before the hearing. Wish she would analyze his hearing too.

Watched it and she is clearly biased against the Left and FOR Kavennaugh: "He isn't lying".

She isn't some body language expert; just another partisan hack speaking to a specific audience.

She would be destroyed on any "expert" witness stand.

She’s probably biased, but she makes some good points. Ford seemed really unnatural, but maybe she’s just a nerdy, awkward person. Who knows.
At least it all elucidates how dirty our political system is.
Sorry, but it does nothing of the kind. "Probably biased" and "makes some good points" illustrates how divorced from reality you are. It doesn't "elucidate" anything about our political system except that some people shouldn't have any say in it.

"Thought I throw it out there since we're equally analyzing both sides." Um, no, you threw it out there hoping that everyone else is as loony tunes as you are. 


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #139 on: October 03, 2018, 07:22:44 am »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxr1VQ2dPI

This woman analyzes body language and seems to think she's lying. Thought I throw it out there since we're equally analyzing both sides.

And the comments sections are full of likely believers of "Pizzagate", "Deep State", "QAnon", and "Fake News".

In the interests of fairness, where's the video about Kavanaugh's body language?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZAhiJZXgA This is the one they did of the interview before the hearing. Wish she would analyze his hearing too.

Watched it and she is clearly biased against the Left and FOR Kavennaugh: "He isn't lying".

She isn't some body language expert; just another partisan hack speaking to a specific audience.

She would be destroyed on any "expert" witness stand.

She’s probably biased, but she makes some good points. Ford seemed really unnatural, but maybe she’s just a nerdy, awkward person. Who knows.
At least it all elucidates how dirty our political system is.
Sorry, but it does nothing of the kind. "Probably biased" and "makes some good points" illustrates how divorced from reality you are. It doesn't "elucidate" anything about our political system except that some people shouldn't have any say in it.

"Thought I throw it out there since we're equally analyzing both sides." Um, no, you threw it out there hoping that everyone else is as loony tunes as you are.

Nah I threw it out there to show how rediculous the media is analyzing this man as guilty for being angry. Your hysteria shows you didn’t read context and would rather react offended. I just applied the same process in the opposite direction and you get infuriated and demean my intelligence. Please tell me more about how self righteous and virtuous you are.

The corporate media is not just probably biased, but absolutely biased left with their focus and their stories. But being biased doesn’t preclude you from presenting some good points. Somehow this is revelatory to you.
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