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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnPtIXvvtts

It is now undeniable that Russia has a massive nuclear superiority of the US and its vassal NATO states.

Given Russian capabilities, it is hard to see how the US even still qualifies as a superpower, except in its own mind.


If the avaricious military-security complex of america possessed these weapons and Russia did not, there seems little doubt that Washington would launch an attack on Russia.

However putin declared that Russia has no territorial ambitions, no hegemonic ambitions, and no intention to attack any other country.

He described the weapons as a necessary response to the West’s firm refusal year after year to accept peace and cooperation with Russia, instead surrounding Russia with military bases and ABM systems.

The president said:

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“We are interested in normal constructive interaction with the United States and the European Union and are expecting that common sense will prevail and our partners will choose fair and equal cooperation. . . . Our policy will never be based on aspirations for exceptionalism, we are defending our interests and respect the interests of other countries.”

Washingtons efforts to isolate Russia with sanctions and propaganda and to prevent Russian capability to respond to the growing military encirclement from the West has failed.

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Russia’s new weapons have made the entire US/NATO approach..-“ineffective from a military point of view.” “The sanctions to constrain Russia’s development, including in the military sphere… they did not work out.” They have not been been able to contain Russia. They need to realize this… Stop rocking the boat in which we all sit.”

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“no one wanted to speak with us. No one wanted to listen to us. Listen to us now.” Putin stressed that Russia’s nuclear weapons are reserved for retaliation, not for offense, but that any attack on Russia or Russia’s allies will receive an immediate response “with all the attendant consequences.”

Having made it clear that the Western policy of hegemony and intimidation is dead in the water, Putin again held out the olive branch:

 
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let us work together to solve the world’s problems.


So americans are you still keen on starting WW3? or is it time to take a more conciliatory approach.


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Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2018, 12:31:23 am »
The only defense against nuclear attack is the threat of mutually assured destruction.

Both the USA and Russia have adequate arsenals to discourage a first stike by the other.






 



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Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2018, 01:11:03 am »
The only defense against nuclear attack is the threat of mutually assured destruction.


Actually Americans have been brainwashed into believing that Russia has only a few rusting old tanks and that nuclear war is winnable because america is so superior.

That is why Washington changed its nuclear policy to one of first-strike.

Thats why they pulled out of the ABM treaty. they thought they could win.


Only a few years ago this was the attitude of the Council on Foreign relations:


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The Rise of U.S. Nuclear Primacy
By Keir A. Lieber and Daryl G. Press

Today, for the first time in almost 50 years, the United States stands on the verge of attaining nuclear primacy. It will probably soon be possible for the United States to destroy the long-range nuclear arsenals of Russia or China with a first strike. This dramatic shift in the nuclear balance of power stems from a series of improvements in the United States' nuclear systems, the precipitous decline of Russia's arsenal, and the glacial pace of modernization of China's nuclear forces.

The same nuclear triad, however, could be used in an offensive attack against an adversary's nuclear forces. Stealth bombers might slip past enemy radar, submarines could fire their missiles from near the enemy's shore and so give the enemy's leaders almost no time to respond, and highly accurate land-based missiles could destroy even hardened silos that have been reinforced against attack and other targets that require a direct hit. The ability to destroy all of an adversary's nuclear forces, eliminating the possibility of a retaliatory strike, is known as a first-strike capability, or nuclear primacy.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2006-03-01/rise-us-nuclear-primacy


This attitude has led America to make reckless provocations toward Russia.

You surrounded Russia with military bases and nuclear missile launchers. With your escalating military drills all along their borders and out-of=control Russophobia and anti-russian propaganda, you convinced them that you were about to attack them. Not very smart. And not a responsible way to act towards the worlds other nuclear power.
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Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2018, 01:18:38 am »
North Korea is no longer the top nuclear threat, it's now Russia.


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Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2018, 03:11:15 am »
The only defense against nuclear attack is the threat of mutually assured destruction.


Actually Americans have been brainwashed into believing that Russia has only a few rusting old tanks and that nuclear war is winnable because america is so superior.

That is why Washington changed its nuclear policy to one of first-strike.

Thats why they pulled out of the ABM treaty. they thought they could win.


Only a few years ago this was the attitude of the Council on Foreign relations:


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The Rise of U.S. Nuclear Primacy
By Keir A. Lieber and Daryl G. Press

Today, for the first time in almost 50 years, the United States stands on the verge of attaining nuclear primacy. It will probably soon be possible for the United States to destroy the long-range nuclear arsenals of Russia or China with a first strike. This dramatic shift in the nuclear balance of power stems from a series of improvements in the United States' nuclear systems, the precipitous decline of Russia's arsenal, and the glacial pace of modernization of China's nuclear forces.

The same nuclear triad, however, could be used in an offensive attack against an adversary's nuclear forces. Stealth bombers might slip past enemy radar, submarines could fire their missiles from near the enemy's shore and so give the enemy's leaders almost no time to respond, and highly accurate land-based missiles could destroy even hardened silos that have been reinforced against attack and other targets that require a direct hit. The ability to destroy all of an adversary's nuclear forces, eliminating the possibility of a retaliatory strike, is known as a first-strike capability, or nuclear primacy.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2006-03-01/rise-us-nuclear-primacy


This attitude has led America to make reckless provocations toward Russia.

You surrounded Russia with military bases and nuclear missile launchers. With your escalating military drills all along their borders and out-of=control Russophobia and anti-russian propaganda, you convinced them that you were about to attack them. Not very smart. And not a responsible way to act towards the worlds other nuclear power.


1) I don’t think most Americans think about Russia’s capability often enough to be brainwashed.

2) Current US policy per recently issued NPR2018 is focused on deterrence.

https://media.defense.gov/2018/Feb/02/2001872886/-1/-1/1/2018-NUCLEAR-POSTURE-REVIEW-FINAL-REPORT.PDF

3) Why the hell would the US want to attack Russia?


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Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2018, 12:51:44 pm »
Isn't it sad that humans have this need to show 'my dog is bigger than your dog'?

Imagine if we could live in peace and devote the time and money to eradicating poverty and sickness.
Everything is not as it seems.

No one owes you anything.... get over it.

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Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2018, 01:07:17 pm »
Isn't it sad that humans have this need to show 'my dog is bigger than your dog'?

Not everyone has that need, but America forced Russia to respond by encircling them with bases and nuclear launchers.

Did they really think Moscow was just going to sit back and do nothing while they were being threatened?

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Imagine if we could live in peace and devote the time and money to eradicating poverty and sickness.

That is what Putin has been requesting for years but Washington simply ignores, demonises, and threatens at every turn.

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I don’t think most Americans think about Russia’s capability often enough to be brainwashed.

You only have to look at the western media to see how warped their representation of Russia has become over the past decade. Such a childish mentality.

Most US military strategists may not seriously want to attack Russia, but thats not the point. Their goal is to present Russia as a threat to the American people so they get to keep that trillion dollar military expenditure coming and lining their pockets.

The military-industrial complex needs an enemy. Muslim terrorists didn't cut it so they resurrected the Russia threat. Washington policy since 1991 has been all about pursuing American hegemony in the world.

The danger is that they have started to convince Russia that they are about to attack. How else would you interpret American actions over the past 20 years? Demonising Russia in their media constantly, trying to isolate them politically, unwarranted sanctions, even trying to get them banned from international sporting events. Encircling them with military bases. increasing military drills on their doorstep.
These are all moves that America makes when they are about to attack a country. its a pattern they followed with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, any number of countries.
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Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2018, 02:37:29 pm »
Isn't it sad that humans have this need to show 'my dog is bigger than your dog'?

Not everyone has that need, but America forced Russia to respond by encircling them with bases and nuclear launchers.

Did they really think Moscow was just going to sit back and do nothing while they were being threatened?

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Imagine if we could live in peace and devote the time and money to eradicating poverty and sickness.

That is what Putin has been requesting for years but Washington simply ignores, demonises, and threatens at every turn.

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I don’t think most Americans think about Russia’s capability often enough to be brainwashed.

You only have to look at the western media to see how warped their representation of Russia has become over the past decade. Such a childish mentality.

Most US military strategists may not seriously want to attack Russia, but thats not the point. Their goal is to present Russia as a threat to the American people so they get to keep that trillion dollar military expenditure coming and lining their pockets.

The military-industrial complex needs an enemy. Muslim terrorists didn't cut it so they resurrected the Russia threat. Washington policy since 1991 has been all about pursuing American hegemony in the world.

The danger is that they have started to convince Russia that they are about to attack. How else would you interpret American actions over the past 20 years? Demonising Russia in their media constantly, trying to isolate them politically, unwarranted sanctions, even trying to get them banned from international sporting events. Encircling them with military bases. increasing military drills on their doorstep.
These are all moves that America makes when they are about to attack a country. its a pattern they followed with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, any number of countries.

Wow, you really don't like America. I doubt Putin is the angel you make him out to be. In fact I know he isn't from my Russian neighbor.
Everything is not as it seems.

No one owes you anything.... get over it.

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Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2018, 04:09:54 pm »

Most US military strategists may not seriously want to attack Russia, but thats not the point. Their goal is to present Russia as a threat to the American people so they get to keep that trillion dollar military expenditure coming and lining their pockets.


There is something to that.

I worked for a small prime, mostly Tier-1 and Tier-2 aerospace company for about 4 years.  What I learned there is that civil and military aviation are natural hedges.  Looking back at the records, when businesses cut spending, there is a war on the horizon.

Where is the US in this cycle?


Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2018, 04:39:40 pm »
In some bizarre way I actually believe this is good for technology in the long run. The technical advancements during the space race are well documented. This boasting just increases the military budgets.

Hate to break it to you, but any missle defense shield is really window dressing. The nuclear arsenals of Russia and the USA really would overwhelm any shield. Not even mentioning the arsenals of China, India, Pakistan, France, Great Britain, and various other nuclear nations.

But I’m sure that’s my wounded pride as a former super nation. ;D



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Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2018, 05:08:46 pm »
Where is the US in this cycle?

Well, the elites of the military-industrial complex captured trump and got him to extort more money from the taxpayer. Spending on "defense" is now at record levels. 

So the elites get more money to buy their condos by provoking Russia and putting the security of the world at risk.
 

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Trump Is On His Way to Record-Setting Defense Spending in 2018
As the president doubles down on wars abroad, companies like Boeing stand to reap billions.
By William D. Hartung JANUARY 11, 2018

As Donald Trump might put it, major weapons contractors like Boeing, Raytheon, and Lockheed Martin cashed in “bigly” in his first year in office. They raked in tens of billions of dollars in Pentagon contracts, while posting sharp stock price increases and healthy profits driven by the continuation and expansion of Washington’s post-9/11 wars. But last year’s bonanza is likely to be no more than a down payment on even better days to come for the military-industrial complex.
https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-is-on-his-way-to-record-setting-defense-spending-in-2018/

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The nuclear arsenals of Russia and the USA really would overwhelm any shield.

Fortunately for you Russian leadership is sane and is not really willing to attack anyone.

But for the megalomaniacs in Washington, there is suddenly no military option against Russia.

The entire ABM effort of the US is now useless against Russia.


Funny to see the likes of MayorHaggar, life improvement and de Martino et al finally go silent  :laugh:





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Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2018, 08:23:10 pm »
Where is the US in this cycle?

Well, the elites of the military-industrial complex captured trump and got him to extort more money from the taxpayer. Spending on "defense" is now at record levels. 

So the elites get more money to buy their condos by provoking Russia and putting the security of the world at risk.
 

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Trump Is On His Way to Record-Setting Defense Spending in 2018
As the president doubles down on wars abroad, companies like Boeing stand to reap billions.
By William D. Hartung JANUARY 11, 2018

As Donald Trump might put it, major weapons contractors like Boeing, Raytheon, and Lockheed Martin cashed in “bigly” in his first year in office. They raked in tens of billions of dollars in Pentagon contracts, while posting sharp stock price increases and healthy profits driven by the continuation and expansion of Washington’s post-9/11 wars. But last year’s bonanza is likely to be no more than a down payment on even better days to come for the military-industrial complex.
https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-is-on-his-way-to-record-setting-defense-spending-in-2018/

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The nuclear arsenals of Russia and the USA really would overwhelm any shield.

Fortunately for you Russian leadership is sane and is not really willing to attack anyone.

But for the megalomaniacs in Washington, there is suddenly no military option against Russia.

The entire ABM effort of the US is now useless against Russia.


Funny to see the likes of MayorHaggar, life improvement and de Martino et al finally go silent  :laugh:

The US never had a credible defense against Russia, except for MAD. That still exists.


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Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2018, 09:50:36 pm »
The US never had a credible defense against Russia, except for MAD. That still exists.

I'm not so sure, I think you over-estimate the rationality of some American leaders and military.

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U.S. Military Planned First Strike Nuclear Attack on Every City in Russia and China … and Gave Many Low-Level Field Commanders the Power to Push the Button

Daniel Ellsberg – America’s most famous whistleblower, the former military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers which helped end the Vietnam war – has just published a book revealing that he was also one of the main nuclear war planners for the United States in the 1960s.

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/12/6/doomsday_machine_daniel_ellsberg_reveals_he


Fact. A US president wanted a nuclear first strike on Russia.

Until relatively recently, many in Washington believed it had nuclear primacy and could strike Russia without fear of retaliation.

Encircling Russia with nuclear launchers was not well-received in Moscow. The imposition of a nuclear shield was designed to nullify Russias abilities to retaliate. Is it any wonder Russia believed that America was preparing a first strike?

America was even trying to get its European vassal states to use its nukes against Russia.


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US programs which train non-nuclear powers on how to use American tactical nuclear weapons violate the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said.

Everybody should understand that the US military are preparing the militaries of European states to use tactical nuclear weapons against Russia,” he stressed.

The US stores an estimated 200 of its B61 nuclear bombs in countries including Germany, Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey as part of NATO’s nuclear-sharing program. Russia considers the presence of American nuclear weapons in other nations as a hostile gesture.
https://www.rt.com/news/420008-us-training-europe-nukes/

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Representatives of the Russian Armed Forces have stated that the US is creating a military infrastructure near Russia’s borders for the application of a sudden nuclear strike.

This statement was made on April 26, the first Deputy Chief of the Main Operations Directorate,Viktor Poznihir, at the Moscow international security conference of the Russian Armed Forces.
https://www.fort-russ.com/2017/04/us-forces-preparing-sudden-nuclear/


Even UK premier Theresa May said that the UK could do a fisrst strike- even if it was not being attacked.

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Theresa May is prepared to use nuclear weapons 'as a first strike'
April 2017
Prime Minister Theresa May would be prepared to authorise a pre-emptive nuclear strike, the UK's defence secretary has confirmed.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/theresa-may-prepared-use-nuclear-weapons-first-strike-1618332


America made Russia believe it was going to be attacked. How irresponsible is that?


But lets imagine that you're right for a moment, that m.a.d still holds and always has done. That still leaves the possibility of an accident or a miscommunication.

In the cold war there was all kinds of co-operation between the two powers: there were treaties and open channels of communication. US presidents worked hard to reduce tensions and establish trust. There were many false alarms during the cold war but nobody pushed the button because they all assumed it was a false alarm.

Nowadays it is the opposite. There is zero trust between the two. America has actively destroyed any trust that existed and closed channels of communication. Demonisation and Russophobia is encouraged by the western media, westerners are brainwashed into believing Putin is an evil dictator who wants to take over the world and who has invaded the Ukraine and is about to invade the Baltics. Nothing could be more ludicrous.

So given the current climate, if there is a false alarm, the person at the controls is more likely to assume that the attack is real.



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Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2018, 02:06:51 am »
Lol russia and their eternal pathetic inferiority complexes and troll army. Freaking joke country.
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Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2018, 11:13:50 pm »
Lol russia and their eternal pathetic inferiority complexes and troll army. Freaking joke country.


Try addressing the points raised for once mayrhagar, instead of simply throwing poison from your massive wellspring of repressed anger.
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2018, 05:41:04 am »
Try posting something that isn't fascist state propaganda injected into your ass by Putin. There's no way you aren't a joke poster troll.

Why the hell should Americans take a crappy broke-ass country like Russia seriously when they feel the need to threaten us with nuclear weapons? All this is is Russians trying yet again to convince themselves that they aren't a crappy joke country.
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Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2018, 11:06:03 am »
Russia does not have some massive edge, what they've done instead is work towards restoring the balance between themselves and the U.S. that offers both sides credible deterrence and ensures peace. Russia has no defense against an American first strike or retaliatory strike. Meanwhile Russia has made America's ABM capability much less of a sure thing and (hopefully) given the NeoCons/NeoLibs some pause when it comes to their anti-Russian policies.

Unfortunately, in addition to mainstream Democrats and die-hard Never Trumper Republicans, liberals and progressives are getting brainwashed into this anti-Russian hysteria simply because they hate Trump.

The same people who once protested the Iraq War and NSA spying now gobble up whatever the CIA/FBI/NSA feeds them. They don't even stop to consider how they're essentially pawns of the same NeoCons that gave us the Iraq War. So blinded by hatred for Trump are they that they approve of more domestic spying, secret courts, internet censorship, conspiracy theories, Mideast intervention, and a new Cold War.

You can think Trump is a buffoon and an oaf without gobbling up everything that the NeoCons/NeoLibs throw at you.


Re: Putin unveils new Nuclear Weapons that render the USA defenceless.
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2018, 12:08:54 pm »
I know I'm going to get accused of trying to censor free speech, which in most circumstances is the last thing I'd want to do, but in all seriousness, why are the moderators allowing Aurata to nakedly propagandize on behalf of an authoritarian government? His M.O. mimics professional Russian trolls in style and content, and any time the question of whether or not he is actually getting paid for his efforts comes up, he disappears from the conversation. If anyone has looked into it, and concluded that he's "volunteering" his services where others would charge, or that Waygook is comfortable with having a paid Russian troll on its boards, then that's fine. It just seems like it's about time to address the elephant in the room.

And before anyone starts, blah blah blah brainwashed by CNN, tool of the establishment, blah blah blah...

There, I saved you the trouble.