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Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« on: June 23, 2017, 07:29:12 am »
If there is one thing I have been impressed by, it is the number of classical liberals who are beginning to take a stand against what the likes of MTV Decoded, The Huffington Post, Buzzfeed, and other leftist news outlets refer to as the "progressive" left.  Recently, on another board which was acknowledging the fact that the democrats keep losing elections, I was surprised to see the number of people who are growing tired of the antics of leftist authoritarians, and instead are speaking their minds regardless of what "progressives" might say.  As usual, those few siding with Evergreen college stuck to their usual accusations of hate speech and racism and "you're just a right-winger" rhetoric.  It seems we are in the beginning stages of a revolution similar to that of the 60's.  Although they deny it, the "progressive" left IS the establishment, as they thoroughly control our universities, the mainstream media and the entertainment industry.  On social media however, I see that it is the skeptic community, which consists of classical liberals, conservatives, libertarians, moderates, independents etc. who dominate in numbers and shred propaganda videos made by the outlets I mentioned above.  Could it be that we are on the verge of making our universities a place where multiple points of view are not only allowed, but encouraged by faculty? 


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Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2017, 07:41:21 am »
Labelling yourself as 'left',  'right', 'Liberal' or 'Republican', tells me you've formed an opinion before even hearing the issue. Why not simplify things and save time by simply referring to yourself as 'dumbass'?


Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2017, 07:54:24 am »
Classical liberals can do what they want. The most popular politician in the United States (by a huge margin) is Bernie Sanders, and Jeremy Corbyn looks set to become prime minister of the UK within months (if not days).

Classical liberals are pro-capitalist. The people want socialism.


Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2017, 08:34:09 am »
The people want socialism.

WRONG

http://www.gallup.com/poll/191354/americans-views-socialism-capitalism-little-changed.aspx

35% of Americans have a positive view of socialism. Makes sense. From my experience about a third of people are stupid, evil, or both.


Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2017, 08:50:09 am »
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Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2017, 08:58:05 am »
Classical liberals can do what they want. The most popular politician in the United States (by a huge margin) is Bernie Sanders, and Jeremy Corbyn looks set to become prime minister of the UK within months (if not days).

Classical liberals are pro-capitalist. The people want socialism.
You cannot have multi-culturalism and socialism, it's one or the other.  The dominant and affluent demographic/culture will not finance the booming birthrates of other demographics/cultures whose dependency on the state has been secured in exchange for votes. 


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Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2017, 09:06:26 am »
Labelling yourself as 'left',  'right', 'Liberal' or 'Republican', tells me you've formed an opinion before even hearing the issue. Why not simplify things and save time by simply referring to yourself as 'dumbass'?

What an ignorant statement, especially in response to this thread. (about classical liberals in particular)

I've always been somewhat of a classical liberal. This is because I believe in the ideas it puts forth. (universal rights - generally negative rights, as much freedom from government interference as one can hope for, protection of property)

That doesn't mean that I auto judge an issue based on any of these beliefs. It just means those are what I believe to be the most compelling values to run a society by. Maybe that'll change as I get older. (it's changed quite a bit since I was a student)

If you're just saying that being on team republican is stupid, well I guess that's kind of correct, since the repub's are a pretty amorphous group and don't really hold to any specific ideas other than a few. But to say that anyone who identifies as a right wingish is a dumbass because they have a different set of values than you? Not sure you've pointed out the correct dumbass. He may be closer than you think.


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Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2017, 09:22:41 am »
Labelling yourself as 'left',  'right', 'Liberal' or 'Republican', tells me you've formed an opinion before even hearing the issue. Why not simplify things and save time by simply referring to yourself as 'dumbass'?

What an ignorant statement, especially in response to this thread. (about classical liberals in particular)

I've always been somewhat of a classical liberal. This is because I believe in the ideas it puts forth. (universal rights - generally negative rights, as much freedom from government interference as one can hope for, protection of property)

That doesn't mean that I auto judge an issue based on any of these beliefs. It just means those are what I believe to be the most compelling values to run a society by. Maybe that'll change as I get older. (it's changed quite a bit since I was a student)

If you're just saying that being on team republican is stupid, well I guess that's kind of correct, since the repub's are a pretty amorphous group and don't really hold to any specific ideas other than a few. But to say that anyone who identifies as a right wingish is a dumbass because they have a different set of values than you? Not sure you've pointed out the correct dumbass. He may be closer than you think.
Thank you for the response, Mike.  As usual, I'm not getting much out of the progressives, they seem almost offended by my initial comment.   


Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2017, 09:52:49 am »
Conservatives are the welfare queens of online, in that they think everyone owes them a lively debate of their deeply stupid opinions


Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2017, 10:02:56 am »
Maybe the far left should become the center left.  More like Chretien instead of Trudeau.  More like Clinton instead of Pelosi.  Sure both Clinton and Chretien were pretty crooked, but at least they had some basic economic common sense.  (Sure a lot of it was based on changing over their first two years to fit the public mood, but the fact they shifted to common sense is the difference between then and now.)  Trudeau is acting more like the NDP and being a socialist.  He really ought to get some sense.  The far left is crazy, radical, scary, completely irrationally nuts, and totally agenda driven.  The final death knells will be driven into Kathleen Wynne next year - maybe even 3rd party status in Ontario.  People are sick and tired of the crazies who initially promised moderation (except perhaps in Trudeau's case somewhat).  Either way, the article explains it well.    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-with-voter-support-tumbling-a-tactical-reset-is-in-order-for-liberals/wcm/c29ecd20-fbb6-4d0c-9c75-0eaf02d1f068


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Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2017, 10:06:37 am »
Conservatives are the welfare queens of online, in that they think everyone owes them a lively debate of their deeply stupid opinions
Well, first of all, I'm really not a conservative.  Although I can agree with them on some issues, they would never have me based on my points of view involving a broad spectrum of other issues, and we essentially leave it there.  But because I disagree with the "progressive" left on a number of key issues as well, that makes me (according to them), a Fox news watching, xenophobic, misogynistic, trans-phobic, Islamaphobic, racist.  This would explain why they are losing elections and why I proposed my initial comment.  Secondly, I never once said anyone owed me a lively debate.  In fact, I'm just looking for responses, rather than to argue.  I proposed statement and some people chose to respond, just as you chose to respond, nobody forced you to.  I find this strategy much more productive instead of doing what you (so called) Antifa socialist do, which is physically attack people who disagree.     


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Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2017, 10:42:27 am »
The people want socialism.

WRONG

http://www.gallup.com/poll/191354/americans-views-socialism-capitalism-little-changed.aspx

35% of Americans have a positive view of socialism. Makes sense. From my experience about a third of people are stupid, evil, or both.

Yeah, but you've identified the wrong third.

Anyway, that survey establishes only that 1/3 of respondents have a positive view of the word socialism

What is socialism here, anyway? The survey didn't define it. Is it the part where government owns the means of production that people don't like, or is it the one where government administers the distribution of goods?

The image for most Americans of socialism is along the lines of "socialized medicine".

This survey says only 35% have a positive view of socialism, yet when you ask people stuff like: "Should everyone have access to healthcare?" ( http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx ) and "Should government programs help feed the needy?" ( http://www.people-press.org/2013/02/22/as-sequester-deadline-looms-little-support-for-cutting-most-programs/ --slightly old, I know, but ...) you get a very different answer. 

Americans prefer socialism, at least in the distribution of many goods and services, they just don't like it when you call it that.

Coach actor Craig T Nelson, loud in his calls for personal responsibility and his disdain for government handouts:
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Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2017, 10:50:45 am »
Conservatives are the welfare queens of online, in that they think everyone owes them a lively debate of their deeply stupid opinions

I like this. Might even steal it. It is a bit of an odd entitlement. I love it when they DEMAND responses to whatever asinine talking point they have put up.


Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2017, 11:40:39 am »
Conservatives are the welfare queens of online, in that they think everyone owes them a lively debate of their deeply stupid opinions

I like this. Might even steal it. It is a bit of an odd entitlement. I love it when they DEMAND responses to whatever asinine talking point they have put up.

You both are the same weird mod who was leaving users death threats by PM. You aren't fooling anyone. Carry on creepy dude.


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Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2017, 11:51:44 am »
You both are the same weird mod who was leaving users death threats by PM. You aren't fooling anyone. Carry on creepy dude.

When they congratulate each other, is that considered masturbation?


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Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2017, 11:53:39 am »
Conservatives are the welfare queens of online, in that they think everyone owes them a lively debate of their deeply stupid opinions

I like this. Might even steal it. It is a bit of an odd entitlement. I love it when they DEMAND responses to whatever asinine talking point they have put up.

You both are the same weird mod who was leaving users death threats by PM. You aren't fooling anyone. Carry on creepy dude.

Hi Kumar!


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Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2017, 11:54:35 am »
I want more moderates to be honest. My representative is a Republican that doesn't always lock-step vote through all red legislation. She is fiscally conservative and socially liberal. That's what I want. That's what we used to have more of. It's hard to reach across the aisle when your sitting on the far end of the row.

I'm just curious how long this type of political apocalypticism will work as a strategy. You can only convince people that the world is ending for so long before they realize you've been bs'ing them.


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Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2017, 11:59:37 am »
Conservatives are the welfare queens of online, in that they think everyone owes them a lively debate of their deeply stupid opinions

I like this. Might even steal it. It is a bit of an odd entitlement. I love it when they DEMAND responses to whatever asinine talking point they have put up.
How many accounts do you have Arabin?  Are "progressives" so desperate to make it look like people agree with them that they actually have multiple accounts to make it look as though that is the case?


Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2017, 12:03:41 pm »
You both are the same weird mod who was leaving users death threats by PM. You aren't fooling anyone. Carry on creepy dude.

When they congratulate each other, is that considered masturbation?

They/he are pretty obsessed with masturbation. Weirdly incorporated it in his death threats in the same manner he does in his weird comments.

He will ban me and go on rambling about "spunk" "cream" and "rubber glove filled with minced pork" and ban anyone who calls him out on the ridiculousness.

He threatened me about a year ago after i said i wasn't sure about letting young kids choose their gender. Threatened a bunch of users. Only after the username was called out publicly did the mod ban his own alt account. Now he is back doing what he loves.


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Re: Classical Liberals Abandoning The "Progressive" Left
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2017, 12:10:03 pm »
You both are the same weird mod who was leaving users death threats by PM. You aren't fooling anyone. Carry on creepy dude.

When they congratulate each other, is that considered masturbation?

They/he are pretty obsessed with masturbation. Weirdly incorporated it in his death threats in the same manner he does in his weird comments.

He will ban me and go on rambling about "spunk" "cream" and "rubber glove filled with minced pork" and ban anyone who calls him out on the ridiculousness.

He threatened me about a year ago after i said i wasn't sure about letting young kids choose their gender. Threatened a bunch of users. Only after the username was called out publicly did the mod ban his own alt account. Now he is back doing what he loves.

I see we are emulating Alex Jones today.