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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2017, 01:04:30 pm »
The behaviour of the black students, that we have on video, is disgusting. They come across as a bunch of entitled children who think they're all being oppressed because (according to LDEstrada) one person was allegedly assaulted for an unknown reason and a professor (rightfully) said it was wrong to force all whites off the campus.

Black people in America really need to stop playing the victim. They faced discrimination in the past, but the tables have turned. It's now deemed unacceptable to discriminate against blacks but completely acceptable to treat whites as second class citizens. If black people are shouting things like "black power!" and forcing white people off campus, they need to think again about who the bigots really are.

Once again, no one forced white students on campus. the OPTIONAL lectures that couldn't fit on campus were moved off campus, and the STUDENTS (that means the students who you're saying are somehow being mistreated, agreed that since in the past years, it was the the students of color who went off campus, this year, lectures specifically pertaining to students of color would be given the on campus locations. This is one day. ONE DAY, where students of color were given preference for location choice for lectures that have nothing to do with classes, curriculum, or grades, and are simply held in case their are students  who are interested.

The incident with the cop, was, if your pardon the pun, incidental. God forbid they ask the administration to look into it and see what actually happened. Also, you're gross.

Either they (someone with authority)  told all white people to get off campus or they didn't. The professor who objected said they did.


Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2017, 01:12:11 pm »
The behaviour of the black students, that we have on video, is disgusting. They come across as a bunch of entitled children who think they're all being oppressed because (according to LDEstrada) one person was allegedly assaulted for an unknown reason and a professor (rightfully) said it was wrong to force all whites off the campus.

Black people in America really need to stop playing the victim. They faced discrimination in the past, but the tables have turned. It's now deemed unacceptable to discriminate against blacks but completely acceptable to treat whites as second class citizens. If black people are shouting things like "black power!" and forcing white people off campus, they need to think again about who the bigots really are.

Once again, no one forced white students on campus. the OPTIONAL lectures that couldn't fit on campus were moved off campus, and the STUDENTS (that means the students who you're saying are somehow being mistreated, agreed that since in the past years, it was the the students of color who went off campus, this year, lectures specifically pertaining to students of color would be given the on campus locations. This is one day. ONE DAY, where students of color were given preference for location choice for lectures that have nothing to do with classes, curriculum, or grades, and are simply held in case their are students  who are interested.

The incident with the cop, was, if your pardon the pun, incidental. God forbid they ask the administration to look into it and see what actually happened. Also, you're gross.

How about not forcing people off campus based on their skin colour? Not engaging in segregation based on racial identity? That used to be the point of the civil rights movement, but somehow the people involved in that movement got lost along the way and became the nutty SJWs we see today.

Obviously someone being assaulted by a cop is worthy of investigation. I'm not arguing otherwise. But don't make it into a racially motivated attack when you have absolutely no evidence to suggest that. Maybe the guy was being a jerk and got hit because he deserved it?

As for me being gross, you're entitled to your opinion. I left my home country nearly 10 years ago, so I haven't been subjected to all of the SJW-led BS. The BS that's turned most white men into self-hating feminists who give in to the demands of the childish women and minorities who seem to run the western world these days. And I'm not going to change just because people like you try to bully us into changing.


Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2017, 01:16:24 pm »
Response to the videos being put online:

“We demand that the video created for Day of Absence and Day of Presence that was stolen by white supremacists and edited to expose and ridicule the students and staff be taken down by the administration by this Friday"

Yup, that is  how the internet works.


Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2017, 01:20:04 pm »
Response to the videos being put online:

“We demand that the video created for Day of Absence and Day of Presence that was stolen by white supremacists and edited to expose and ridicule the students and staff be taken down by the administration by this Friday"

Yup, that is  how the internet works.

They really are like 8 year olds having a temper tantrum. Just like naughty 8 year olds who are making trouble, they need to be told a very firm "no!"


Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2017, 01:43:43 pm »
Ya'll... ok. Lol, as an alumnus from Evergreen and a student faculty member, I'm still on their online forums, social media, and faculty email lists. If you wanna know what actually happened instead of this fearmongering, "Omg millenial SJW's are so stupid" nonsense that is the majority of this post than listen up.

A few weeks ago, a black student who was helping with a completely benign, non protest informational table set up with the schools permission got roughed up by the school cop. Nothing serious, but the circumstances were odd. The students that were their said that it was out of the blue, unfounded, and the black student that was involved hadn't even been interacting with whatever argument had been taking place when the cop went around the white students (Evergreen is predominantly a white school) go get to him. Suffice to say it was weird. Students were upset but they followed the proper channels and requested an investigation. School didn't respond.

A few weeks later the annual Day of Absence/Day of Presence event comes around. The Day of Absence is an event held every year where special lectures, workshops, and open forums take place and students are given the choice to attend if they want to and dismissed from regular classes if they like. Previously the special lectures and so on specifically for students of color were held off campus, while other special lectures were held on campus. This year the student union decided to switch it up, as there aren't enough spaces to hold them all on campus (the school is pretty damn small), and they wanted the locations to reflect the event's message of absence versus presence. It's fruity and touchy feely but that is what the school is built on and prides itself in. Besides, it was a unanimously decision that was viewed as inoffensive and benign by the students union and approved by the student body.

But of course not, because the real snowflakes showed up. A white professor who is not active in school functions, and had previously expressed no interest in being part of extracurricular decisions, came out of the woodwork to complain that somehow, this was reverse racism. Rolls eyes forever* He said that it wasn't fair that students interested in going to the non POC specific lectures had to go to off campus locations. Never mind he himself is not one of the poor students effected, attendance is completely optional, and the student body was in support of the decision. He saw himself as the Protector of the Whites and got on his high horse anyway.

He managed to finagle himself a spot on Fox News and that's when shit hit the fan. He spent the interview talking shit about the college and hyping up this completely non issue, cuz his fee-fees were hurt. Then out came previous complaints this particular professor had garnered while he was at Evergreen, small things that probably wouldn't have amounted to much if he hadn't come out so thoroughly half assed, things like veering off in the middle of classes to give random lectures on how black people should behave during protests and stuff. Objectionable, especially at a college that was literally founded on the liberal side of things, but mostly pushed under the rug, because who has time for that shit. If it wasn't for him making something not about him completely about him it blew up in his face.

After his fizzling fifteen minutes of snowflake-y, "stupid millennials!" interview on Fox, students requested that the administration get off their collective butts and do something. Remember an investigation into the cop incident still hadn't happened, so their was that to fuel the fires too. They held small demonstrations to put pressure on the president to at least acknowledge both situations, and the open forums that are held almost weekly at the school were more virulent for awhile afterward as a consequence of the whole thing.

In short, this post doesn't provide any info on what actually was going on at the school. And it's nobodies place but the students to decide what kind of school they want to pay out the ass to attend anyway.

If anyone is a snowflake here its those who are aghast at students having demonstrations like they've done for centuries in colleges all over the world.

DING DING DING DING DING

It's literally like this every time one of these stories comes out.

There's no getting through to people like that professor or the Sad Whites on here. (Should qualify I'm also white, but whatever). All this gruesome 'black people rule over us! and love to play the victim! and people are too sensitive!' stuff is just the worst kind of projection. Failing lives! Very sad!

As someone else has said here, and not for the first time, the forum is absolutely swarming with alt-right manbabies now. I don't know how it was before, but really well done lads for making the front page unbelievably toxic at all times.

There have been real-life conferences where speakers advised new people to never read the forums on here, because of stuff like this. You tragic little racists are really hated here, just as you doubtless are by most people back home.


Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #45 on: June 01, 2017, 02:13:56 pm »

Sad Whites   

Failing lives!

manbabies

You tragic little racists

Baby Aubergine, do you not have anything to say that is not an insult or ad hominem? Do you have any, ya know, ideas?

If you can't tolerate differing opinions and perspectives you are a bigot. If you can't respond to a differing opinion or perspective with out name-calling you are an idiot.


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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2017, 02:20:34 pm »
Baby Aubergine, do you not have anything to say that is not an insult or ad hominem? Do you have any, ya know, ideas?

If you can't tolerate differing opinions and perspectives you are a bigot. If you can't respond to a differing opinion or perspective with out name-calling you are an idiot.

A...................... bigiot?

The joys of fauxtherhood


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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2017, 02:21:07 pm »

Sad Whites   

Failing lives!

manbabies

You tragic little racists

Baby Aubergine, do you not have anything to say that is not an insult or ad hominem? Do you have any, ya know, ideas?

If you can't tolerate differing opinions and perspectives you are a bigot. If you can't respond to a differing opinion or perspective with out name-calling you are an idiot.

 :undecided: Ironic statements are lost on some people.




Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2017, 02:29:45 pm »
Sorry but...does Shane Barry (1986) now have the Qu'ranic verse about apostasy in his bio after asking people to tell him what it was 50 times in another thread?

Seek professional help, lads, seriously


Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #49 on: June 01, 2017, 02:30:35 pm »
There have been real-life conferences where speakers advised new people to never read the forums on here, because of stuff like this. You tragic little racists are really hated here, just as you doubtless are by most people back home.

Real-life conferences where people advised others (English Teachers in Korea?) not to got waygook.org because of some threads about the news back home? Might as well say "Don't go on youtube/twitter/reddit/any news site that has a comments section." What conference was this? Most people who use this site either comment on crap that has nothing to do with politics like "Anyone know where I can find spare computer parts in Daegu?" or "Hiking in Jeolla-bukdo" or share stories about Korea, or most of all, talk about work-related stuff. You're literally hallucinating this alt-right takeover.

First off, A LOT of people don't care about politics. Something like 40% of eligible voters didn't bother to vote. Of those that did, many just look at a single issue like their taxes or medicare and pull the lever based on that. They tune in to the debates for 20 minutes and make up their mind. You'd be amazed how many people don't care about politics one way or the other. UK had like 65% turnout in 2015 and that was relatively high. Heck, you might draw a better turnout on a Wenger referendum. Second off, Trump got like 46% of the vote. Hillary got 48%. Gary Johnson got 3.5%. Pretty sure both Trump and Johnson voters don't have much patience for the college campus crap.

Sorry, but in the past few years we've had adult coloring books, therapy dogs, safe spaces, trigger warnings, students denouncing free speech, POC-only dorms, etc. etc. None of this crap happened when we were going to college. Many of my friends are left, some strong leftist, and a good many of them think this crap is out of control. Did it ever occur to you that YOU are the one in the minority? That everyone rolling their eyes at this isn't some alt-righter or racist?

Now, the conservative media might have (and probably did) make something of a hash of this story in some ways. That's a fine point to make. But just reflexively accusing everyone of racism and claiming there is some sort of alt-right troll army is ridiculous. Many of the posters are people who have been members since well before Trump ever rode down that escalator. And in case you haven't noticed, some of us don't exactly see eye-to-eye on everything, say issues with Korea.

Finally YOUNG PEOPLE ARE STUPID. Young people have some of the worst decision making capabilities (often driven by hormonal concerns) and the least amount of real-world experience and the least amount of responsibility. This problem has only gotten worse as 30 is now the new 20. So pardon me, if I don't really give the opinions of 25 year olds fresh out of college much weight.


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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #50 on: June 01, 2017, 02:43:42 pm »
The behaviour of the black students, that we have on video, is disgusting. They come across as a bunch of entitled children who think they're all being oppressed because (according to LDEstrada) one person was allegedly assaulted for an unknown reason and a professor (rightfully) said it was wrong to force all whites off the campus.

Black people in America really need to stop playing the victim. They faced discrimination in the past, but the tables have turned. It's now deemed unacceptable to discriminate against blacks but completely acceptable to treat whites as second class citizens. If black people are shouting things like "black power!" and forcing white people off campus, they need to think again about who the bigots really are.

Once again, no one forced white students on campus. the OPTIONAL lectures that couldn't fit on campus were moved off campus, and the STUDENTS (that means the students who you're saying are somehow being mistreated, agreed that since in the past years, it was the the students of color who went off campus, this year, lectures specifically pertaining to students of color would be given the on campus locations. This is one day. ONE DAY, where students of color were given preference for location choice for lectures that have nothing to do with classes, curriculum, or grades, and are simply held in case their are students  who are interested.

The incident with the cop, was, if your pardon the pun, incidental. God forbid they ask the administration to look into it and see what actually happened. Also, you're gross.

To get a clearer picture.

When you say lectures for white vs black students... what do you mean? The topics would generally be more appealing to certain races?

I'm trying to imagine a scenario where have lectures divided up by race would be considered reasonable and the above is the only one I can think of.


Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #51 on: June 01, 2017, 02:43:53 pm »
Sorry, but in the past few years we've had adult coloring books, therapy dogs, safe spaces, trigger warnings, students denouncing free speech, POC-only dorms, etc. etc.

I mean how f***ed up do you have to be to rail against therapy dogs? You people are really something. Have you ever heard of PTSD?! It sounds like you could use some pet therapy yourself to be honest mate.

Like imagine if you just let adult colouring books exist & continue not to harm anyone, ever. Who gives a shit?


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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #53 on: June 01, 2017, 02:58:58 pm »


I think it's more like people with at least a few years of real life experience arguing with people who have absolutely none. Life in school and college is not real life experience; it's a time when you learn ideas to play around with and then later attempt to apply to real life. And that takes practice.

But you're kind of right because SJWs have their heads in the clouds and need to be brought back down to Earth by people who are not just kids having temper tantrums.


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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #54 on: June 01, 2017, 03:04:29 pm »
Sorry, but in the past few years we've had adult coloring books, therapy dogs, safe spaces, trigger warnings, students denouncing free speech, POC-only dorms, etc. etc.

I mean how f***ed up do you have to be to rail against therapy dogs? You people are really something. Have you ever heard of PTSD?! It sounds like you could use some pet therapy yourself to be honest mate.

Like imagine if you just let adult colouring books exist & continue not to harm anyone, ever. Who gives a shit?

I think he's just saying that some people are giving a shit because some of these things he's listing are just so ridiculous.   Some people are going SO overboard with being PC or trying to "force" social justices that become blinded by their own emotions instead of finding proper solutions to solve things.

Like even ASKING if a dog is a therapy dog or not is a big "no-no" these days.  "oh my god, you aren't suppose to ask people that! It's discrimination!"

And what ends up happening is that everyone gets forced these categories depending on their ethnic background, gender, where they grew up, etc.  so that "new rules" can be made to provide a handicap to those who were allegedly treated unfairly.  Whereas, REAL social equality is suppose to do the complete opposite and BREAK DOWN those categories and treat everyone as equal humans.

And it's not just white people thinking this, there are tons of non-white people who are noticing this as well and DO feel it's BS.  People are getting a little TOO sensitive about everything these days.

I would hope that SJW's start thinking more like Morgan Freeman and chilling out a bit, stop categorizing people into this or that, and generally just stop making issues bigger than it needs to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cGfrExozQ
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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #55 on: June 01, 2017, 03:14:43 pm »
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To get a clearer picture.

When you say lectures for white vs black students... what do you mean? The topics would generally be more appealing to certain races?

I assume the POCs would be getting lectures on how they invented everything wonderful in the world and the rest of them would be getting told not to go around asking people where they're from and the like.


Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #56 on: June 01, 2017, 03:16:00 pm »
I think it's more like people with at least a few years of real life experience arguing with people who have absolutely none. Life in school and college is not real life experience; it's a time when you learn ideas to play around with and then later attempt to apply to real life. And that takes practice.

But you're kind of right because SJWs have their heads in the clouds and need to be brought back down to Earth by people who are not just kids having temper tantrums.

Called it right at the start of the thread. You're over 40, divorced, wear denim shorts everywhere, and love to post Youtube comments about how Black Sabbath would kick Bieber's ass.


Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #57 on: June 01, 2017, 03:16:11 pm »
I mean how f***ed up do you have to be to rail against therapy dogs? You people are really something. Have you ever heard of PTSD?! It sounds like you could use some pet therapy yourself to be honest mate.

Like imagine if you just let adult colouring books exist & continue not to harm anyone, ever. Who gives a shit?

Adult coloring books by themselves would be a fad. No one would argue with therapy dogs for vets with PTSD.

It's when students demand them following Trump winning and do so in conjunction with "Safe spaces" "trigger warnings" and stuff like the Missouri protests.


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Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #58 on: June 01, 2017, 03:23:04 pm »


I think it's more like people with at least a few years of real life experience arguing with people who have absolutely none. Life in school and college is not real life experience; it's a time when you learn ideas to play around with and then later attempt to apply to real life. And that takes practice.

But you're kind of right because SJWs have their heads in the clouds and need to be brought back down to Earth by people who are not just kids having temper tantrums.

 :laugh: :laugh: You think what you like. But I highly doubt the differing parties are whatever age your mind has arbitrarily assigned us. I was a returning student at Evergreen who was much older than the kids there. The reason I was faculty was because I was a veteran working in the VA office. I spent a good long time in the military before going back to school. But please, do go on assuring yourself of your vastly superior maturity and wisdom. I'm sure any disagreements you have with people are based on age, not due to lack of relevant knowledge or inherent bias.  :cheesy: :cheesy:

The behaviour of the black students, that we have on video, is disgusting. They come across as a bunch of entitled children who think they're all being oppressed because (according to LDEstrada) one person was allegedly assaulted for an unknown reason and a professor (rightfully) said it was wrong to force all whites off the campus.

Black people in America really need to stop playing the victim. They faced discrimination in the past, but the tables have turned. It's now deemed unacceptable to discriminate against blacks but completely acceptable to treat whites as second class citizens. If black people are shouting things like "black power!" and forcing white people off campus, they need to think again about who the bigots really are.

Once again, no one forced white students on campus. the OPTIONAL lectures that couldn't fit on campus were moved off campus, and the STUDENTS (that means the students who you're saying are somehow being mistreated, agreed that since in the past years, it was the the students of color who went off campus, this year, lectures specifically pertaining to students of color would be given the on campus locations. This is one day. ONE DAY, where students of color were given preference for location choice for lectures that have nothing to do with classes, curriculum, or grades, and are simply held in case their are students  who are interested.

The incident with the cop, was, if your pardon the pun, incidental. God forbid they ask the administration to look into it and see what actually happened. Also, you're gross.

To get a clearer picture.

When you say lectures for white vs black students... what do you mean? The topics would generally be more appealing to certain races?

I'm trying to imagine a scenario where have lectures divided up by race would be considered reasonable and the above is the only one I can think of.


Yeah I think you got it right. The lectures aren't divided by race, but the topics usually have more appeal one way or another. For example an open mic for native american artists will draw the native population at Evergreen more than a guest speaker speaking about being an ally to native people. There will be a mixed audience at both options, but the appeal will be different for obvious reasons.

All they did was hold the events that would have appeal to students of color on campus this year. In past years events that would have appeal to students of color were held off campus and events that would most appeal to white students were held on campus. This was a sort of simplistic statement about being present. Hence the name of the yearly event: Day of Absence, Day of Presence. These switched up the locations, that's it. No one said white students couldn't come to school that day or anything like that. The student body made the decision to switch locations this year. And to reiterate, attendance to these functions were extracurricular, not mandatory at all. If white students didn't want to go to the discussion group on racial sensitivity that was being held in the cafe ten minutes away from campus, they didn't have to. And if they wanted to go to the movie showing of Moonlight being held in one of the campus movie rooms they could.


Re: Student takeover of Evergreen State College
« Reply #59 on: June 01, 2017, 03:26:08 pm »
And it's not just white people thinking this, there are tons of non-white people who are noticing this as well and DO feel it's BS.  People are getting a little TOO sensitive about everything these days.

Definitely. As a minority myself, and with a good number of minority friends, a lot of people (sometimes in whispered undertones) are expressing exasperation with how batshit crazy people have gotten over the last 4 years or so, especially with things like the self-righteous SJW twitter mobs. Most either voted for Trump or refused to vote for Clinton (and some were down with Bernie because, surprise surprise he focused on the economy and not identity politics) simply because they were fed up with the way the left has gone. People constantly trying to box them in and make them support their far-left positions.

Think about it- People are THAT exasperated with things that they voted for Donald frickin Trump (or refused to vote for Clinton), simply because he was the one person saying "Enough!". They knew who he was, his lies, his flaws, and they still supported him because they are THAT disgusted with it all. A big chunk of the vote was economic, but just as big were people tired of the identity politics and SJW nonsense they have seen explode. It's like how the moralist right tried to impose its vision on America and people had enough. Now it's the other way around.

I shit you not, here is what is coming from the left, who allegedly support science-
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448102/quantum-physics-oppressive-marginalized-people