Quote from: CDW on August 19, 2017, 11:50:18 am"Trump’s overall disapproval rate is 51 percent, but he’s still holding strong among Republicans. His disapproval rate has not substantially changed all year. Charlottesville didn’t affect it....The idea that defending Nazis doesn't lose you Republican support thus says a lot about Republicans...
"Trump’s overall disapproval rate is 51 percent, but he’s still holding strong among Republicans. His disapproval rate has not substantially changed all year. Charlottesville didn’t affect it....
"Trump’s overall disapproval rate is 51 percent, but he’s still holding strong among Republicans. His disapproval rate has not substantially changed all year. Charlottesville didn’t affect it...."A strong majority (62 percent) of Americans favor leaving the Confederate statues standing as historical markers"Overwhelming numbers of Republicans (86 percent) favor this, as do 61 percent of Independents...."Here’s a stunner: 44 percent of African-Americans polled believe in keeping the statues standing. Of Latinos, 65 percent believe the statues should remain...."The news media have been seriously distorting public reaction to Trump’s handling of Charlottesville. Whether this is a matter of only seeing what they want to see, or a matter of the talking heads being concentrated among coastal elites of both parties, is a matter of conjecture. True, a slight majority of Americans think Trump didn’t go far enough, but judging from the coverage and commentary, you would have thought at Charlottesville, Trump met his Waterloo. It didn’t happen. Charlottesville is not nearly a big a deal to Americans as it is to the media and coastal elites."Trump’s disapproval rating is very high, but Charlottesville didn’t really move the needle. And he’s kept his base."Continuing to attack Confederate statues is a big loser for Democrats and liberals. A strong majority of Americans favors keeping them standing...."This is likely to cause them to seriously overreach. If Democrats and liberals only pay attention to the media and to each other on the statue debate, they are going to alienate a lot of people....."Trump remains an extremely divisive figure. For any Commander in Chief, the idea that six out of 10 Americans do not trust your leadership in an international crisis is potentially destabilizing."http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/trump-is-more-in-touch-than-you-think/My opinion of the mainstream media has reached a new low over the past week. They've tried so hard to create the misleading impression that Charlottesville has been catastrophic for Trump. They sure know how to cherry pick.
Quote from: MayorHaggar on August 19, 2017, 11:52:15 amQuote from: CDW on August 19, 2017, 11:50:18 am"Trump’s overall disapproval rate is 51 percent, but he’s still holding strong among Republicans. His disapproval rate has not substantially changed all year. Charlottesville didn’t affect it....The idea that defending Nazis doesn't lose you Republican support thus says a lot about Republicans...In their eyes (R-Nazi) is still better than any Democrat. That's how low the bar is.
Quote from: Savant on August 19, 2017, 12:08:51 pmQuote from: MayorHaggar on August 19, 2017, 11:52:15 amQuote from: CDW on August 19, 2017, 11:50:18 am"Trump’s overall disapproval rate is 51 percent, but he’s still holding strong among Republicans. His disapproval rate has not substantially changed all year. Charlottesville didn’t affect it....The idea that defending Nazis doesn't lose you Republican support thus says a lot about Republicans...In their eyes (R-Nazi) is still better than any Democrat. That's how low the bar is.Automatically equating Nazis with Republicans is not going to help. Before Trump, the Democratic Party was not very different from the Republican Party as a whole. The range of debate is narrow.There's another factor to consider. The Democratic Party does not have a clear message other than being against Trump and Republicans. With exceptions here and there, the Democratic Party is still ideologically the same as it was during the last campaign, when Sanders support suggested a desire from something different from another Clinton/Bush. They need to show they can help people who threw the Trump grenade in the last election. At this point, given the party system, the Democratic Party needs to be pushed in a different direction or people will need to rely on the Republicans to screw up in order for party power to change.It says a lot about the Democratic Party that they lost the election against Trump and now can't even effectively oppose him.
Neo-Nazi Christopher Cantwell — who was one of the “Unite the Right” Charlottesville marchers interviewed by Vice.com — released a weepy, rambling video of himself discussing the fact that a warrant was issued for his arrest.“I called the Charlottesville Police Department,” Cantwell said, “and said, ‘I have been told there’s a warrant out for my arrest.’ They said they wouldn’t confirm it but that I could find this out I could go to a magistrate or whatever.”“With everything that’s happening, I don’t think it’s very wise for me to go anywhere,” he continued. “There’s a state of emergency, the National Guard is here!”He kept breaking off to wipe away tears, saying, “I don’t know what to do. I need guidance.”“We are trying to make this peaceful, we are trying to be law abiding,” he claimed, in spite of the fact that website the Daily Stormer called for Nazis to disrupt the funeral of Heather Heyer, 32, who was killed when a Nazi marcher plowed his car into a group of anti-racist protesters.“I’m terrified,” he said to law enforcement officers in the clip. “I think you’re going to kill me.”
Quote from: CDW on August 17, 2017, 07:55:23 amQuote from: gogators! on August 16, 2017, 03:10:02 pmQuote from: CDW on August 16, 2017, 12:48:00 pmObservations of a NY Times journalist who was there:"A few wrap-it-up thoughts from Charlottesville: 1. Striking how many of the white nationalists were young people, almost entirely men. "2. The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding 'antifa' beating white nationalists being led out of the park"3. Among my unanswered questions: police response. Why did things get out of hand so quickly? Could violence have been prevented?"http://www.dailywire.com/news/19673/ny-times-reporter-admits-antifa-protesters-james-barrettThe hard left--interesting term. The antifa are basically anarchists with no political ideology other than to oppose fascism, which is the U.S. means the alt-right. But let's be clear. The alt-right have declared war, literally, in defense of "white America." They (and you) (Are you a normie or a real comrade in arms?) can no longer hide on reddit and 4chan and the like. More and more americans know what they (and you) are really up to and thus more and more Americans are actively opposing them (and you). dick spencer is pretty much in hiding except when he pops up for a speaking engagement, bodyguards in tow.This is not a war you can win, even if Robert E. Lee comes back from the dead to lead you.Can antifa (and you) really shut down free speech? That's not such an easy thing to accomplish in the age of the internet.Hate speech is not free speech.
Quote from: gogators! on August 16, 2017, 03:10:02 pmQuote from: CDW on August 16, 2017, 12:48:00 pmObservations of a NY Times journalist who was there:"A few wrap-it-up thoughts from Charlottesville: 1. Striking how many of the white nationalists were young people, almost entirely men. "2. The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding 'antifa' beating white nationalists being led out of the park"3. Among my unanswered questions: police response. Why did things get out of hand so quickly? Could violence have been prevented?"http://www.dailywire.com/news/19673/ny-times-reporter-admits-antifa-protesters-james-barrettThe hard left--interesting term. The antifa are basically anarchists with no political ideology other than to oppose fascism, which is the U.S. means the alt-right. But let's be clear. The alt-right have declared war, literally, in defense of "white America." They (and you) (Are you a normie or a real comrade in arms?) can no longer hide on reddit and 4chan and the like. More and more americans know what they (and you) are really up to and thus more and more Americans are actively opposing them (and you). dick spencer is pretty much in hiding except when he pops up for a speaking engagement, bodyguards in tow.This is not a war you can win, even if Robert E. Lee comes back from the dead to lead you.Can antifa (and you) really shut down free speech? That's not such an easy thing to accomplish in the age of the internet.
Quote from: CDW on August 16, 2017, 12:48:00 pmObservations of a NY Times journalist who was there:"A few wrap-it-up thoughts from Charlottesville: 1. Striking how many of the white nationalists were young people, almost entirely men. "2. The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding 'antifa' beating white nationalists being led out of the park"3. Among my unanswered questions: police response. Why did things get out of hand so quickly? Could violence have been prevented?"http://www.dailywire.com/news/19673/ny-times-reporter-admits-antifa-protesters-james-barrettThe hard left--interesting term. The antifa are basically anarchists with no political ideology other than to oppose fascism, which is the U.S. means the alt-right. But let's be clear. The alt-right have declared war, literally, in defense of "white America." They (and you) (Are you a normie or a real comrade in arms?) can no longer hide on reddit and 4chan and the like. More and more americans know what they (and you) are really up to and thus more and more Americans are actively opposing them (and you). dick spencer is pretty much in hiding except when he pops up for a speaking engagement, bodyguards in tow.This is not a war you can win, even if Robert E. Lee comes back from the dead to lead you.
Observations of a NY Times journalist who was there:"A few wrap-it-up thoughts from Charlottesville: 1. Striking how many of the white nationalists were young people, almost entirely men. "2. The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding 'antifa' beating white nationalists being led out of the park"3. Among my unanswered questions: police response. Why did things get out of hand so quickly? Could violence have been prevented?"http://www.dailywire.com/news/19673/ny-times-reporter-admits-antifa-protesters-james-barrett
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niCquF1NMc8
I've only listened to Alex Jones occasionally over the past year. A couple of years before that, I thought he was nuts. Then, before that, I had never heard of him.
Meanwhile, a host of charities canceled annual fundraising events at Mr Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida. They included the American Red Cross, Salvation Army, and the American Cancer Society.
On the outside Mr Bannon will target a ring of presidential advisers sometimes known as the "globalists". It includes Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump, chief economic adviser Gary Cohn, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, and National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, with whom Mr Bannon appeared to have lost a battle over putting more troops in Afghanistan.
Quote from: MayorHaggar on August 19, 2017, 11:52:15 amQuote from: CDW on August 19, 2017, 11:50:18 am"Trump’s overall disapproval rate is 51 percent, but he’s still holding strong among Republicans. His disapproval rate has not substantially changed all year. Charlottesville didn’t affect it....The idea that defending Nazis doesn't lose you Republican support thus says a lot about Republicans...The idea that Trump defended Nazis is part of your hallucination. He condemned ALL groups.Funny, when Trump says his comments about illegals and there being "murderers and rapists", everyone ignores his comment of "and some are good people". But in this case everyone picks up on his comment of "both sides do it".Selective listening driven by confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.
Does Trump just enjoy doing the opposite of what any normal person should do?QuoteTrump's decision to allow plastic bottle sales in national parks slammedThe Trump administration’s decision to reverse a ban on the sale of plastic water bottles in some of America’s most famous national parks, such as the Grand Canyon shows “the corporate agenda is king and people and the environment are left behind”, campaigners have said.The comments come after the administration ended a policy that allowed parks to ban the sale of plastic bottled water in an effort to curb pollution. AmazingQuotePlastic bottles at the Grand Canyon alone comprised 20% of the park’s waste, and 30% of its recyclable waste. That's quite a lot.QuoteOne of Trump’s most recent appointments to the Department of Interior’s is deputy secretary David Bernhardt, a Colorado-based lobbyist for Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck who specialized in water-related lobbying. Some lawmakers raised concerns about Bernhardt during his confirmation hearings, just a few weeks ago.And there you have it.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/20/trumps-decision-to-allow-plastic-bottle-sales-in-national-parks-slammed
Trump's decision to allow plastic bottle sales in national parks slammedThe Trump administration’s decision to reverse a ban on the sale of plastic water bottles in some of America’s most famous national parks, such as the Grand Canyon shows “the corporate agenda is king and people and the environment are left behind”, campaigners have said.The comments come after the administration ended a policy that allowed parks to ban the sale of plastic bottled water in an effort to curb pollution.
Plastic bottles at the Grand Canyon alone comprised 20% of the park’s waste, and 30% of its recyclable waste.
One of Trump’s most recent appointments to the Department of Interior’s is deputy secretary David Bernhardt, a Colorado-based lobbyist for Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck who specialized in water-related lobbying. Some lawmakers raised concerns about Bernhardt during his confirmation hearings, just a few weeks ago.
Such comments are mere asides that he hopes will shield him from criticism and that his base knows to take with a grain of salt.
This Great American Eclipse is an ominous portend, depending on which side you're on and how history plays out.
Quote from: gogators! on August 20, 2017, 04:35:07 pmSuch comments are mere asides that he hopes will shield him from criticism and that his base knows to take with a grain of salt. In other words, those qualifiers he puts on the end are either to be treated significantly or not based upon your own personal whim and not any objective criteria. Given your experience posting here, I can tell that qualifiers don't mean much to you because you often fail to use them and often fail to notice them. However, to many people out there they are important and I suspect that many in Trump's base who don't consider themselves racist but do have reasonable objections to the policies of Bush-Obama regarding immigration and refugees, those kinds of qualifiers are important. Likewise, they understand that Donald Trump wants nothing to do with the Klan, but people on the right have seen attacks by antifa and attempts to stifle free speech by conservatives and its important that this gets recognized.
-- Afraid of losing major contributors, a stampede of charities has canceled planned fundraising events at Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club in Florida:On Thursday, the Cleveland Clinic, American Cancer Society and American Friends of Magen David Adom pulled out.On Friday, the Salvation Army, American Red Cross and Susan G. Komen joined them.On Saturday, the Preservation Foundation of Palm Beach canceled its dinner dance that had been scheduled for next March. This alone probably represents a quarter-million in lost revenue.On Sunday, the Palm Beach Zoo and an elder care organization called MorseLife both announced that they will not hold their annual fundraisers at Mar-a-Lago.Both the Palm Beach Habilitation Center and the Kravis Center are calling emergency board meetings for early this week to discuss whether to keep their events at the club, per today's Palm Beach Post.
Quote from: donovan on August 22, 2017, 04:28:39 amThis Great American Eclipse is an ominous portend, depending on which side you're on and how history plays out.If you were a student of history, you would know that the best way to mitigate the ominosity of these kind of events is by making a small blood sacrifice to the Mesoamerican god of your choice.