When will Trump be impeached?

"I love it!"

"I love it!"

This is also what 35% of America still says, to which 100% of all Republican representatives say, "You're fine? I'm fine!" or, "It's a big nothingburger."

In the end, impeachment is political, not legal, and the House G.O.P. probably won’t impeach for anything short of a transcript of a call between Trump and Putin in which the words “yes, I want you to hack their servers big-league, Vladimir” appear in black-and-white. And even then ….

Can some of the avid Donald J. Trump supporters on here please explain the recent revelations today? Ya know, cause the president himself hasn't been seen in 2 days and hasn't made any twitter comment on it.

Trump supports, how does the son, son in law, and campaign manager (at the time) of DJT meet with a Russian lawyer over supposed incriminating evidence towards HRC and it NOT EQUAL collusion with a foreign adversary in order to win the presidency? PLEASE PLEASE help me understand your thought process on this.

And THANK GOD Don Jr released his emails before the NYT released them because you all would have said it was fake news.

DJT wanted to win the presidency at all costs including getting in bed with the god damn kleptocracy  government that is Russia.  The same government that silences journalists, political adversaries, and anyone who opposes Putin.

I miss the old Republicans. The ones who distrusted the Russians and chose country over party loyalty. Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave.

Can some of the avid Donald J. Trump supporters on here please explain the recent revelations today? Ya know, cause the president himself hasn't been seen in 2 days and hasn't made any twitter comment on it.

Trump supports, how does the son, son in law, and campaign manager (at the time) of DJT meet with a Russian lawyer over supposed incriminating evidence towards HRC and it NOT EQUAL collusion with a foreign adversary in order to win the presidency? PLEASE PLEASE help me understand your thought process on this.

And THANK GOD Don Jr released his emails before the NYT released them because you all would have said it was fake news.

DJT wanted to win the presidency at all costs including getting in bed with the god damn kleptocracy  government that is Russia.  The same government that silences journalists, political adversaries, and anyone who opposes Putin.

I miss the old Republicans. The ones who distrusted the Russians and chose country over party loyalty. Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave.

Is it really too late to yell 'fake news'?

And is this 'big'? I really can't tell anymore. The Trump Effect is having its desired numbing effect. Or is it the Russia Effect...? God, just get this guy out of office quick.

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We might ask other questions about critical intelligence. For liberal opinion, the political crime of the century, as it is sometimes called, is Russian interference in American elections. The effects of the crime are undetectable, unlike the massive effects of interference by corporate power and private wealth, not considered a crime but the normal workings of democracy. That’s even putting aside the record of U.S. “interference” in foreign elections, Russia included; the word “interference” in quotes because it is so laughably inadequate, as anyone with the slightest familiarity with recent history must be aware.
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Is Russian hacking really more significant than what we have discussed — for example, the Republican campaign to destroy the conditions for organized social existence, in defiance of the entire world? Or to enhance the already dire threat of terminal nuclear war? Or even such real but lesser crimes such as the Republican initiative to deprive tens of millions of health care and to drive helpless people out of nursing homes in order to enrich their actual constituency of corporate power and wealth even further? Or to dismantle the limited regulatory system set up to mitigate the impact of the financial crisis that their favorites are likely to bring about once again? And on, and on.

- Noam Chomsky

There was clearly an attempt to 'collude' but since no breaking news of Clinton colluding with Russia came out (supposedly it was this bit of info that Trump Jr. was supposed to receive during this meet), I'm thinking the Junior got trolled.  As such, this meet in particular is unlikely to have any legal repercussions, given that Clinton got scot-free doing a lot more and succeeding at that.  That's my take on things, anyways.

Having said that, this incident happened during summer - so what knows what other meets could have taken place up until the voting day? 

At the end of the day, Trump promised to drain the swamp, do all kinds of changes, but we're not seeing any of that.  The change here is not dissimilar to the change promised by Obama.  Americans are being trolled by their politicians time and time again.

I do wonder how things will play out if Trump does get kicked out from the oval office -
Will they elect Sanders?  Sanders was another big talker - free education for all, annul student loans, etc, etc, etc.   

Until the Americans wake up and take their country back from the corporations - and start locking up big talkers who usually do the opposite of what they promised, US will continue to be the world's most dreadful joke.   

The news about a Kushner-Qatar deal falling apart and then Trump taking it out on Qatar won't help matters.

Read the Chomsky interview, and as he knows, the issues he mentions are all ones those in the resistance have targeted and their protests/phone calls/e-mails are working.

But let's face it--the Russian thing keeps Trump and the repugnicans on the defensive and helps with quashing their agenda.

The news about a Kushner-Qatar deal falling apart and then Trump taking it out on Qatar won't help matters.

Read the Chomsky interview, and as he knows, the issues he mentions are all ones those in the resistance have targeted and their protests/phone calls/e-mails are working.

But let's face it--the Russian thing keeps Trump and the repugnicans on the defensive and helps with quashing their agenda.

Noam "The 'slaughter' by the Khmer Rouge is a Moss-'New York Times' creation" Chomsky?

He's as bad as a holocaust denier. Which is... not very good.

Noam "The 'slaughter' by the Khmer Rouge is a Moss-'New York Times' creation" Chomsky?

He's as bad as a holocaust denier. Which is... not very good.

아 레알? Luckily, we avoided any of his Khmer-Rouge denials in quoting him here.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/hamburg-taught-the-world-that-the-u-s-no-longer-matters/

With the popularity of animation and children's movies for adults lately, perhaps it's only fitting to have a cartoon character as a president.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_606eNWUvw

Yes, Jr. was extremely dumb and naïve, and should be fired for not telling the president about the meeting and allowing Trump to say there were no meetings with the “Russians.”  Further, any person still on staff who knew about this meeting and did not tell the president should also be fired.  It was stupid and naïve of Jr., but not illegal.

Now, how about this story.  The “Russian” was allowed into the U.S. by the Obama Administration without a visa.  She had been turned down for a visa and then the U.S. DOJ gave her what is called  “special parole immigration” that according to the article is very rare.  Also, this special parole immigration was supposed to expire in January 2016; so, why was she still in the U.S. in June 2016 to meet with Jr.?

Read the whole article, as it brings up many new questions……  Set-up?  Conspiracy?  An Obama-Lynch-Russian connection/collusion?  The “deep state” and Russia working together????   Why was the DOJ so willing to bend over backwards for her -- she supposedly didn’t speak English but was critical to a legal case in a U.S. court? 

I honestly don’t know what to think about all of this, but I’m starting to believe that just about anything is now possible…  And, if Putin really put all this together and pulled all these strings, he should be considered one of the greatest international political strategists/masterminds of all time – to get the Obama administration to give her special immigration parole was brilliant….. – when we should be talking about health care, tax reform, immigration…….. Putin, along with some stupid Trump stuff, has us talking about this instead…..  Brilliant!

Some excerpts.

Exclusive: DOJ let Russian lawyer into US before she met with Trump team
4 / 25
 
The Hill
John Solomon and Jonathan Easley18 mins ago

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341788-exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump-team/ar-BBEjvx0?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=LENDHP

The Russian lawyer who penetrated Donald Trump's inner circle was initially cleared into the United States by the Justice Department under "extraordinary circumstances" before she embarked on a lobbying campaign last year that ensnared the president's eldest son, members of Congress, journalists and State Department officials, according to court and Justice Department documents and interviews.

This revelation means it was the Obama Justice Department that enabled the newest and most intriguing figure in the Russia-Trump investigation to enter the country without a visa.

The Moscow lawyer had been turned down for a visa to enter the U.S. lawfully but then was granted special immigration parole by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch for the limited purpose of helping a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, her client, defend itself against a Justice Department asset forfeiture case in federal court in New York City.

During a court hearing in early January 2016 as Veselnitskaya's permission to stay in the country was about to expire, federal prosecutors described how rare the grant of parole immigration was as Veselnitskaya pleaded for more time to remain in the United States.

"In October the government bypassed the normal visa process and gave a type of extraordinary permission to enter the country called immigration parole," Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul Monteleoni explained to the judge during a hearing Jan. 6, 2016.

"That's a discretionary act that the statute allows the Attorney General to do in extraordinary circumstances. In this case, we did that so that Mr. Katsyv could testify. And we made the further accommodation of allowing his Russian lawyer into the country to assist," he added.

The prosecutor said Justice was willing to allow the Russian lawyer to enter the United States again as the trial in the case approached so she could help prepare and attend the proceedings.

The court record indicates the presiding judge asked the Justice Department to extend Veselnitskaya's immigration parole another week until he decided motions in the case. There are no other records in the court file indicating what happened with that request or how Veselnitskaya appeared in the country later that spring.

The U.S. Attorney's office in New York confirmed Wednesday to The Hill that it let Veselnitskaya into the country on a grant of immigration parole from October 2015 to early January 2016.

Justice Department and State Department officials could not immediately explain how the Russian lawyer was still in the country in June for the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. and the events in Washington D.C.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has demanded the U.S. government provide him all records on how Veselnitskaya entered and traveled in the U.S., a request that could shed additional light on her activities.

Interviews with a half dozen Americans who came in contact with Veselnitskaya or monitored her U.S. activities in 2016 make clear that one of her primary goals was to see if the Congress and/or other political leaders would be interested in repealing the 2012 Magnitsky Act punishing Russia or at least ensure the Magnitsky name would not be used on a new law working its way through Congress in 2016 to punish human rights violators across the globe.

"There's zero doubt that she and her U.S. colleagues were lobbying to repeal Magnitsky or at least ensure his name was removed from the global law Congress was considering," said U.S. businessman William Browder, who was the main proponent for the Magnitsky Act and who filed a FARA complaint against Veselnitskaya, Dellums and other U.S. officials claiming they should have registered as foreign agent lobbyists because of the work.

The 2012 law punished Russia for the prison death of Moscow lawyer/accountant Sergei Magnitsky, who U.S. authorities allege uncovered a massive $230 million money laundering scheme involving Russian government official that hurt U.S. companies.
Magnitsky became a cause celeb in the United States after his mysterious death in a Russian prison, but Russian officials have disputed his version of events and in 2011 posthumously convicted him of fraud in Russia.

It is that alternate theory of the Magnitsky fraud cause that Veselnitskaya and her U.S. allies tried to get into the hands of American officials, including Rohrabacher, the Trump team and other leaders.

Browder's complaint, which alleges that Washington lobbyists working with Veselnitskaya failed to register as foreign agents, is still pending at the Justice Department. It identified several events in Washington that Veselnitskaya and her allies attended or staged in June 2016.

All of them occurred in the days immediately after the Russian lawyer used a music promoter friend to get an audience June 9 with Trump's eldest son promising dirt on Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton and instead using the meeting to talk about Magnitsky and the adoption issue, according to Trump Jr. and Veselnitskaya.

On June 13, Veselnitskaya attended the screening of an anti-Magnitsky movie at the Newseum, which drew a handful of congressional staffers and State Department officials, according to Browder's complaint.

The next day, she appeared in the front row of a hearing chaired by House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ed Royce (R-Calif.), sitting right behind a former U.S. ambassador who testified on the future of U.S-Russia policy.

"Natalia didn't speak a word of English," said one source. "Don't let anyone tell you this was a sophisticated lobbying effort. It was the least professional campaign I've ever seen. If she's the cream of the Moscow intelligence community then we have nothing to worry about."

           

Yes, Jr. was extremely dumb and naïve, and should be fired for not telling the president about the meeting and allowing Trump to say there were no meetings with the “Russians.”  Further, any person still on staff who knew about this meeting and did not tell the president should also be fired.  It was stupid and naïve of Jr., but not illegal.

Now, how about this story.  The “Russian” was allowed into the U.S. by the Obama Administration

HE'S THE PRESIDENT'S SON. You really think this will all go away if you "fire" Junior? We tried to warn you people that it was a bad idea to vote for an idiotic corrupt loudmouth from Queens with an entire stable of corrupt loudmouth relatives ready to siphon up taxpayer dollars, but all we got from you was "but her emails."

And seriously, you think you can blame this on Obama for not keeping the bad Russian woman away? You Trumpslumpers are so desperate to avoid the fact that you are 100% culpable for an internet troll joke presidency that is destroying the US. And you actually like Trump making the US weaker and crappier because you think it will annoy liberals.

Yes, Jr. was extremely dumb and naïve, and should be fired for not telling the president about the meeting and allowing Trump to say there were no meetings with the “Russians.”  Further, any person still on staff who knew about this meeting and did not tell the president should also be fired.  It was stupid and naïve of Jr., but not illegal.

I don't believe Junior holds any position within Trump's administration, only in His private business. Now if Senior wanted to go ahead and take *that* away from Donny & Eric and throw it into a blind trust, I wouldn't be opposed to that...

"I love it!"

아일러빗!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvjnoagk6GU

Yes, Jr. was extremely dumb and naïve, and should be fired for not telling the president about the meeting and allowing Trump to say there were no meetings with the “Russians.”  Further, any person still on staff who knew about this meeting and did not tell the president should also be fired.  It was stupid and naïve of Jr., but not illegal.

Perhaps if you consider the context and time frame in which these events took place, it will become clear to you that there is a lot of information yet to be disclosed that will demonstrate that Trump was aware of what was going on.

Consider the timeline.

June 3, 10:36 a.m.

Goldstone emails Donald Trump Jr.:

Good morning

Emin [Agalarov] just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and it’s government’s support for Mr. Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

“Rhona” is Rhona Graff, Donald Trump’s assistant.

[Who’s who in the stunning Russia-conspiracy emails released by Donald Trump Jr.]

10:53 a.m.

Trump Jr. replies to Goldstone:

Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

June 6, 12:40 p.m.

Goldstone to Trump Jr.:

Let me know when you are free to talk with Emin by phone about this Hillary info – you had mentioned early this week so wanted to try to schedule a time and day Best to you and family

3:03 p.m.

Trump Jr. asks Goldstone over email if he can speak with Agalarov at that moment. In a later email, he asks Goldstone to have Agalarov call his cell phone.

3:43 p.m.

Goldstone emails Trump Jr. to tell him that Agalarov is on-stage at the moment but that he can have him call in 20 minutes.


4:38 p.m.

Trump Jr. thanks Goldstone for his help. It’s not clear from this email if the two spoke.

June 7, 4:20 p.m.

Goldstone emails Trump Jr.:

Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.

I believe you are aware of the meeting – and so wondered if 3pm or later on Thursday works for you?

It’s still not clear, but this email may suggest that Trump Jr. and Agalarov spoke.

5:16 p.m.

Trump Jr. suggests a meeting at 3 p.m. This is later changed to 4 p.m.

June 7, evening

Trump wins the primaries in California, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico and South Dakota, giving him the delegates to officially clinch the Republican nomination.

During his victory speech that night, Trump promises more dirt on Clinton.
Forward to 7min mark of speech
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFIZ80Oqxxo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/11/what-happened-and-when-the-timeline-leading-up-to-donald-trump-jr-s-fateful-meeting/?utm_term=.f7ef7c8f585d

You Trumpslumpers are so desperate to avoid the fact that you are 100% culpable for an internet troll joke presidency that is destroying the US.

If Trumpslumpers are 100% culpable that means the Russians are about 0% culpable. Let's investigate that 0% till 2024.
 

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

As far as I can tell, if someone informed Trump Jr. that they had incriminating information concerning HRC and he investigated it, that pretty much puts him in the clear.

I think our laws give broad protection to people who are investigating potential criminal behavior, even if they come from foreign governments.

Do you think if China had potentially incriminating information about Trump and Bill/Chelsea met with someone to see what they had, that that would be collusion? No, and it isn't.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

As far as I can tell, if someone informed Trump Jr. that they had incriminating information concerning HRC and he investigated it, that pretty much puts him in the clear.

I think our laws give broad protection to people who are investigating potential criminal behavior, even if they come from foreign governments.

Do you think if China had potentially incriminating information about Trump and Bill/Chelsea met with someone to see what they had, that that would be collusion? No, and it isn't.

Okay so we agree. You think Trump knew about the correspondence too!

The big story with "her e-mails" just became the big story about "his e-mails" [Little Donny Jr.].

Covfefe!

The big story with "her e-mails" just became the big story about "his e-mails" [Little Donny Jr.].

Covfefe!

Agreed '"her emails" were the nothing burger but "Jr's emails" were packed full of prime beef!
What's more, despite the fact that the Donald apparently doesn't do email, his speech June 7th indicates pretty clearly that he hoped something was in the pipeline which one would reasonably deduce was related to Jr's earlier correspondence.

Yes, Jr. was extremely dumb and naïve, and should be fired for not telling the president about the meeting and allowing Trump to say there were no meetings with the “Russians.”  Further, any person still on staff who knew about this meeting and did not tell the president should also be fired.  It was stupid and naïve of Jr., but not illegal.

Now, how about this story.  The “Russian” was allowed into the U.S. by the Obama Administration

HE'S THE PRESIDENT'S SON. You really think this will all go away if you "fire" Junior? We tried to warn you people that it was a bad idea to vote for an idiotic corrupt loudmouth from Queens with an entire stable of corrupt loudmouth relatives ready to siphon up taxpayer dollars, but all we got from you was "but her emails."

And seriously, you think you can blame this on Obama for not keeping the bad Russian woman away? You Trumpslumpers are so desperate to avoid the fact that you are 100% culpable for an internet troll joke presidency that is destroying the US. And you actually like Trump making the US weaker and crappier because you think it will annoy liberals.

Maybe you could enlighten us about the following: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Agents_Registration_Act

The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) is a United States law passed in 1938 requiring that agents representing the interests of foreign powers in a "political or quasi-political capacity" disclose their relationship with the foreign government and information about related activities and finances. The purpose is to facilitate "evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements and activities of such persons." The law is administered by the FARA Registration Unit of the Counterespionage Section (CES) in the National Security Division (NSD) of the United States Department of Justice

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341788-exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump-team/ar-BBEjvx0?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=LENDHP

The Moscow lawyer had been turned down for a visa to enter the U.S. lawfully but then was granted special immigration parole by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch for the limited purpose of helping a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, her client, defend itself against a Justice Department asset forfeiture case in federal court in New York City.

The U.S. Attorney's office in New York confirmed Wednesday to The Hill that it let Veselnitskaya into the country on a grant of immigration parole from October 2015 to early January 2016.

Justice Department and State Department officials could not immediately explain how the Russian lawyer was still in the country in June for the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. and the events in Washington D.C.

Interviews with a half dozen Americans who came in contact with Veselnitskaya or monitored her U.S. activities in 2016 make clear that one of her primary goals was to see if the Congress and/or other political leaders would be interested in repealing the 2012 Magnitsky Act punishing Russia or at least ensure the Magnitsky name would not be used on a new law working its way through Congress in 2016 to punish human rights violators across the globe.

"There's zero doubt that she and her U.S. colleagues were lobbying to repeal Magnitsky or at least ensure his name was removed from the global law Congress was considering," said U.S. businessman William Browder, who was the main proponent for the Magnitsky Act and who filed a FARA complaint against Veselnitskaya, Dellums and other U.S. officials claiming they should have registered as foreign agent lobbyists because of the work.

It identified several events in Washington that Veselnitskaya and her allies attended or staged in June 2016.

All of them occurred in the days immediately after the Russian lawyer used a music promoter friend to get an audience June 9 with Trump's eldest son promising dirt on Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton and instead using the meeting to talk about Magnitsky and the adoption issue, according to Trump Jr. and Veselnitskaya.

On June 13, Veselnitskaya attended the screening of an anti-Magnitsky movie at the Newseum, which drew a handful of congressional staffers and State Department officials, according to Browder's complaint.

The next day, she appeared in the front row of a hearing chaired by House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ed Royce (R-Calif.), sitting right behind a former U.S. ambassador who testified on the future of U.S-Russia policy.
                         

Apparently, it is acceptable to speculate, fabricate (CNN), fantasize about Trump and the Russians while conveniently forgetting that all of this happened on Obama’s watch.  Maybe because I’m an old Navy man, but the Captain is responsible for what happens on his watch.  The Obama administration admits that they were concerned about the “Russians” during this time and were actively surveilling them, so why didn’t they do something besides closing down a couple of houses and kicking some people out of the U.S.? 

Veselnitskaya was granted this rare permission to enter with the limited purpose of providing legal help to a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, and her stay was limited to October 2015 through January 2016. 

She met with Jr. in June 2016.  She actively lobbied and held lobbying events.  If she was acting on behalf of the Russian government then she violated FARA by not registering as a foreign agent.  She was lobbying and attending congressional hearings in Washington in June 2016.

How did the Trump Obama DOJ miss all this?  She was “Russian;” she was first denied a visa; she had to get a rare approval to enter the U.S.; she was supposed to leave the U.S. in January 2016; and she was actively roaming around Washington DC and New York City….  The government/”deep state” got Flynn, but missed all of this?

Finally, why can’t I ask questions/speculate about what the President of the United States was doing regarding the Russians when all this was happening; as apparently the “Russians” are now the most critical issue confronting the United States.