Quote from: Mr.DeMartino on December 20, 2019, 08:47:59 amQuote from: MayorHaggar on December 19, 2019, 04:37:33 pmI don't remember Trump promising to be a corrupt criminal or a complete ****** moron.What crime was he charged with?Cough Trump University, Donald J. Trump Foundation, campaign finance violations (yet to be indicted). The net is closing on Rudy G pretty fast too, finally.
Quote from: MayorHaggar on December 19, 2019, 04:37:33 pmI don't remember Trump promising to be a corrupt criminal or a complete ****** moron.What crime was he charged with?
I don't remember Trump promising to be a corrupt criminal or a complete ****** moron.
Quote from: thunderlips on December 20, 2019, 10:19:51 amQuote from: Mr.DeMartino on December 20, 2019, 08:47:59 amQuote from: MayorHaggar on December 19, 2019, 04:37:33 pmI don't remember Trump promising to be a corrupt criminal or a complete ****** moron.What crime was he charged with?Cough Trump University, Donald J. Trump Foundation, campaign finance violations (yet to be indicted). The net is closing on Rudy G pretty fast too, finally.Crimes, not civil liability.
A judge Thursday ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million to settle a suit by New York’s attorney general alleging he misused his Trump Foundation charity to benefit his 2016 presidential campaign, in addition to other unlawful activity over more than a decade.
yeah because the FBI did no damage to the clinton campaign... /s. and obviously the FBI is establishment. but if you aren't aware it has historically been a right-leaning institution that has done much more to prevent the uprising of left-wing radicals than right-wing radicals (despite both being "against the establishment")
Fortunately, no one else has ever put someone on a board or, say, a cabinet, who knew "eff all" about their portfolio. Betsy deVos, for instance, worked tirelessly throughout her adulthood to be involved in improving public educ--oh, she didn't? She constantly advocated for private school at the expense of public education? Nevermind. Well, that former Texas governor, Rick Perry, he was a specialist on nuclear power and never thought a government agency was more critical to our secur--what's that? He wanted it dismantled, could even think of the name of it, and thought when he took the job it was to be a cheerleader for oil sales? Oh, sorry.
Not gonna defend the FBI--which surely is what any conservative would do in any other situation in the universe--but you do know dozens of people, and a big handful of Trump cronies, have been indicted, and/or found guilty and jailed, right? Why does Trump hang with so many criminals? That doesn't bother you nearly as much as some shady paperwork or cut corners.
Quote from: Ronnie Omelettes on December 11, 2019, 12:07:19 pmSaw a decent comment BTL about the narrative of the 'divide' in the US.QuoteI'm so sick of hearing about the "partisan divide" both-sides nonsense. That's like saying France was divided between the Nazi occupiers and the resistance. One MAN and one PARTY are responsible for our current political woes right now--Trump and the Republicans. The rest of us are just aghast and trying our best to keep our democracy intact.This isn't some silly red and blue football game.Seems to sum it up perfectly. Quote from: Ronnie Omelettes on December 11, 2019, 12:07:19 pmSaw a decent comment BTL about the narrative of the 'divide' in the US.QuoteI'm so sick of hearing about the "partisan divide" both-sides nonsense. That's like saying France was divided between the Nazi occupiers and the resistance. One MAN and one PARTY are responsible for our current political woes right now--Trump and the Republicans. The rest of us are just aghast and trying our best to keep our democracy intact.This isn't some silly red and blue football game.Seems to sum it up perfectly. Is this quote a joke or this poster really that crazy wearing a tin foil hat?
Saw a decent comment BTL about the narrative of the 'divide' in the US.QuoteI'm so sick of hearing about the "partisan divide" both-sides nonsense. That's like saying France was divided between the Nazi occupiers and the resistance. One MAN and one PARTY are responsible for our current political woes right now--Trump and the Republicans. The rest of us are just aghast and trying our best to keep our democracy intact.This isn't some silly red and blue football game.Seems to sum it up perfectly.
I'm so sick of hearing about the "partisan divide" both-sides nonsense. That's like saying France was divided between the Nazi occupiers and the resistance. One MAN and one PARTY are responsible for our current political woes right now--Trump and the Republicans. The rest of us are just aghast and trying our best to keep our democracy intact.This isn't some silly red and blue football game.
FYI, Trump has as of yet not been impeached and won’t be until 2020 at the earliest.
Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official. Impeachment does not in itself remove the official definitively from office; it is similar to an indictment in criminal law, and thus it is essentially the statement of charges against the official. Whereas in some countries the individual is provisionally removed, in others they can remain in office during the trial. Once an individual is impeached, they must then face the possibility of conviction on the charges by a legislative vote, which is separate from the impeachment, but flows from it, and a judgment which convicts the official on the articles of impeachment entails the official's definitive removal from office.
What are the chances he will get the boot though? From what I have read the chances are pretty slim. While I think he shoots his mouth off too much, I do support what he is doing to China, they have been ripping off the US for too long.
Quote from: confusedsafferinkorea on December 19, 2019, 02:24:37 pmWhat are the chances he will get the boot though? From what I have read the chances are pretty slim. While I think he shoots his mouth off too much, I do support what he is doing to China, they have been ripping off the US for too long.Unfortunately, he's not getting anywhere with China and trade. He backed off tariffs because he didn't want prices to go up for Christmas shopping and then because he's afraid of spooking the market. "Phase One' only takes things back to where they were when dishonest don started all this. And after shelling out $10 billion to US farmers.When it comes to war, trump is no US Grant.
The impeachment joke perpetrated by the moronic democrats is the best thing that has ever happened to Trump. It virtually guarantees his win in 2020. Man, democrats are dumb. They can't even agree on a candidate. I love sitting around and watching them attack each other while Trump watches their castle burn. Trump 2020...making America even greater.
Looks like dnc wants biden to win by making warren and sanders be in attendance during the final push and possibly into the actual election period.
Also, did you know that Trump is the only President to be impeached without being charged with a crime?
QuoteAlso, did you know that Trump is the only President to be impeached without being charged with a crime?You might want to read up on this topic in a bit more depth. Here's a good starting point: https://www.npr.org/2019/12/13/787496291/trump-dismisses-charges-against-him-as-impeachment-lite-is-he-rightOn a semi-related note, I have to ask... Martino, why do you seem to have such an aversion to primary sources? It's possible that I'm mistaken, but this thread would strongly suggest that you never read any sections of the Mueller Report with any breadth or depth, since your commentary on the subject is sometimes at categorical odds with the actual content of the report. Similarly, I asked several times if you were paying attention to actual witness testimony in the impeachment investigation and you never responded, only mentioning certain witnesses to cast aspersions on their character or motives. Meanwhile, you've been arguing that Trump's conduct concerning Ukraine and the Bidens was proper, but NorthStar posted a copy of criminal justice treaty that explicitly outlines how the Justice Department should have acted if it had genuine reason to investigate specific criminal activity involving an American in Ukraine. You ignored that, insisting that withholding aid and sending Giuliani to negotiate a CNN announcement about the Bidens was, in fact, the proper means of conduct. Finally, you haven't tried to rebut any of the evidence presented in the 600-odd pages of material that the investigative committees have furnished to make their case for impeachment, focusing instead on fantasy electoral projections.Using primary sources can help us to establish a common framework for argument. You may not trust the sources, but at the very least, they explain how certain facts become established as a consensus reality. That doesn't mean they can't ever be challenged, but normally such a challenge would require superior evidence. We should at least be able form a common understanding of the basic who, what, when, where, why and how of a situation. The impeachment investigation's primary sources present a much more convincing case than anything presented by Trump and his defenders, which consist mainly of deflections, obfuscations and unsubstantiated accusations. They have had ample opportunity to counter with better evidence and have balked or failed every time. So, do you ever ask yourself, "Why am I so unwilling to look at the evidence? Why am I taking my talking points from Louis Gohmert and Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz instead of trying to seriously engage with the mountain of material supporting the idea that Trump violated the Constitution?" If I had to guess, I would say that living outside the consensus reality makes you feel rebellious, someone who's outsmarted the normies and their establishment masters. To that, I would just ask, do you ever wonder if getting in line with Mitch McConnell, the Republican National Committee and the army of wealthy lawyers and hereditary millionaires who finance them is really the rebellious stance you think it is.
Thanks to the Freedom of Information Act, trump's efforts at obstruction are being overcome, little by little.
On a semi-related note, I have to ask... Martino, why do you seem to have such an aversion to primary sources?
What primary sources have been cited? Citing a 500 page report without excerpts is ridiculous. Cite the part that you feel makes your case, then we can look through that and the rest of the report for anything pertinent. You've read the entire report and all the documents? Seriously?
Also, when you cite something that is "damning" are you also going to cite not just it, but the counter-arguments and issues raised with it or just a tailored excerpt?