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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3000 on: December 19, 2019, 01:31:41 pm »
What a joke. Trump busted for asking about someone's son who knows eff all about oil being on an oil board in Ukraine and seeing if there was possible corruption, and somehow this is bad because Biden is a "rival", yet it's okay for the FBI to abuse the FISA court system and dig up dirt on Trump with a wink wink from the Obama admin? Please.

And obstruction of Congress? Every President ever has obstructed Congress to some degree. Our system was specifically designed to have obstruction of each of the other branches.

Glad to see impeachment sinking in the polls, Trump's approval rising, Dems floundering in head to head matchups in swing states, and more and more Dems thinking this is a colossal waste of time.

The only question is whether McConnell should contemptuously call a vote and acquit 30 seconds after receiving this or whether he should let it drag on for months as people grow as sick of it as they did about the constant Remoaner obstruction over Brexit. 

If itís any consolation  Al Capone was done in for tax evasion and syphillus.

Quick question how many of trumpís people are in prison since his election?? And yet he is the victim?!
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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3001 on: December 19, 2019, 02:05:09 pm »
What a joke. Trump busted for asking about someone's son who knows eff all about oil being on an oil board in Ukraine and seeing if there was possible corruption, and somehow this is bad because Biden is a "rival", yet it's okay for the FBI to abuse the FISA court system and dig up dirt on Trump with a wink wink from the Obama admin? Please.

And obstruction of Congress? Every President ever has obstructed Congress to some degree. Our system was specifically designed to have obstruction of each of the other branches.

Glad to see impeachment sinking in the polls, Trump's approval rising, Dems floundering in head to head matchups in swing states, and more and more Dems thinking this is a colossal waste of time.

The only question is whether McConnell should contemptuously call a vote and acquit 30 seconds after receiving this or whether he should let it drag on for months as people grow as sick of it as they did about the constant Remoaner obstruction over Brexit. 

Aw diddums, Marty.  Your first paragraph is pure deflection and you couldn't go two sentences without mentioning Obama.  You don't get to commit a crime to draw attention to a 'crime' you think that someone else commited.  There are also the correct official channels to do such things, getting Rudy Guiliani to head your team is not what is considered an 'official' channel. 

As for your second paragraph, what?  No president before has sought the help of Russia to win the election.  If you think he was exonerated, then you obviously are ignoring everything to do with the Mueller Report.  Also, the day after Mueller testified, trump called Ukraine and asked them to help him win the election by withholding funds to help him get dirt on his main political opponent.  Weird, yesterday at the Michigan Rally, Mike Pence, had told the crowds Democrats were trying to impeach Trump because they canít beat him in 2020.  It would seem that trump is and has always been shit scared that he can't win an election legally and properly anyway.

Third paragraph?  Polls?  Seriously?  You're using that as a gauge on how trump is still really popular in a highly polarised country where half of the population is the same as you, and burying their heads in the sand and denying there is any wrongdoing?  It's almost like the 'Backfire Effect', the more people point out facts that are inconvenient for you, the more you hold trump tighter.  Sad really.   

As for the fourth one, if you don't see mcconnell as the same, if not more dangerous than trump, then there is no help for you.  The reason trump can fook around like this is that a disgrace like mcconnell has his back.  The republican party really is a disgusting, disgrace of a party, who rather than fighting the facts with facts for the last couple of months took to just bitching and whining that it's all so unfair, secretive and partisan.  Give me a break you pansies.  You have only two parties in your shitty country, so how is anything not partisan?  If trump didn't want to be impeached maybe he should not have done things inviting him to be impeached. 

Like I said Marty, diddums. 


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3002 on: December 19, 2019, 02:24:37 pm »
What are the chances he will get the boot though? From what I have read the chances are pretty slim.

While I think he shoots his mouth off too much, I do support what he is doing to China, they have been ripping off the US for too long.
There is no known medical cure for stupidity!


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3003 on: December 19, 2019, 02:24:56 pm »
Aw diddums, Marty.  Your first paragraph is pure deflection and you couldn't go two sentences without mentioning Obama.  You don't get to commit a crime to draw attention to a 'crime' you think that someone else commited. 
Actually that is relevant in terms of whether justice is being selectively and arbitrarily applied or whether people are simply going by partisanship. Either both are okay or neither are, but one and not the other is not okay.

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There are also the correct official channels to do such things, getting Rudy Guiliani to head your team is not what is considered an 'official' channel.
Actually, both official and unofficial channels are permissible and were used in both cases.

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As for your second paragraph, what?  No president before has sought the help of Russia to win the election.  If you think he was exonerated, then you obviously are ignoring everything to do with the Mueller Report.
That includes Trump.

Also, the Mueller Report did not exonerate Trump because you can't prove a negative and exoneration was not it's aim. It simply could find whether there was cause to charge or not. It didn't find cause to charge.

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Weird, yesterday at the Michigan Rally, Mike Pence, had told the crowds Democrats were trying to impeach Trump because they canít beat him in 2020.  It would seem that trump is and has always been shit scared that he can't win an election legally and properly anyway.
He already did. He can win a second, especially with the way the polls are going and the way the Dems are handling things.

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Third paragraph?  Polls?  Seriously?  You're using that as a gauge on how trump is still really popular in a highly polarised country where half of the population is the same as you, and burying their heads in the sand and denying there is any wrongdoing?  It's almost like the 'Backfire Effect', the more people point out facts that are inconvenient for you, the more you hold trump tighter.  Sad really.   
Yes, polls. You know those things that are put out by universities and news media.

Are you suggesting there is some sort of nefariousness there?

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As for the fourth one, if you don't see mcconnell as the same, if not more dangerous than trump, then there is no help for you.  The reason trump can fook around like this is that a disgrace like mcconnell has his back.  The republican party really is a disgusting, disgrace of a party, who rather than fighting the facts with facts for the last couple of months took to just bitching and whining that it's all so unfair, secretive and partisan.
Yes, the Republicans suck. So do the Democrats.


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3004 on: December 19, 2019, 02:40:40 pm »
"yet it's okay for the FBI to abuse the FISA court system and dig up dirt on Trump with a wink wink from the Obama admin?"

are you suggesting that the FBI is a left-leaning institution? or that it had more bias against trump than clinton? the FBI?

"Our system was specifically designed to have obstruction of each of the other branches."

whaaaaaaaat


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3005 on: December 19, 2019, 03:45:56 pm »
There is simply no plane of reality on which "Trump is a passionate anti-corruption crusader, innocently pursuing a worthwhile investigation" has a stronger evidentiary basis than what the Democrats elicited through their hearings. Trump was given plenty of opportunities to supply potentially exonerating materials and witnesses, but he came up with nothing and obstructed at every turn. Responsibility for that lies entirely with him and his enablers.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3006 on: December 19, 2019, 04:07:36 pm »
Trump has, like him or not, done many of the things he said he would.

This is how to get re-elected.


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3007 on: December 19, 2019, 04:37:33 pm »
I don't remember Trump promising to be a corrupt criminal or a complete ****** moron.
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    Trump is a liar and a con man.
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Donald Trump is a lying sack of shit


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3008 on: December 19, 2019, 05:10:44 pm »
I don't remember Trump promising to be a corrupt criminal or a complete ****** moron.

After listening to the comments he made at his Michigan rally, I really think he is evil.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3009 on: December 19, 2019, 07:26:22 pm »
I think Putin has infiltrated this thread:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/19/politics/vladimir-putin-impeachment-press-conference-intl/index.html

ďMoscow (CNN)Russian President Vladimir Putin said in his annual news conference Thursday that US President Donald Trump's impeachment was based on "made-up reasons," and expressed doubts that he will be removed from power.ď


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3010 on: December 19, 2019, 08:09:24 pm »
I don't remember Trump promising to be a corrupt criminal or a complete ****** moron.

I dont't recall Nobama saying that neither.


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3011 on: December 20, 2019, 08:47:21 am »
"yet it's okay for the FBI to abuse the FISA court system and dig up dirt on Trump with a wink wink from the Obama admin?"

are you suggesting that the FBI is a left-leaning institution? or that it had more bias against trump than clinton? the FBI?

"Our system was specifically designed to have obstruction of each of the other branches."

whaaaaaaaat
The FBI is establishment. The NeoCon/NeoLib consensus. Trump is outside that consensus and thus a threat to their interests. They have more in common with Clinton than Trump. Remember many were appointed by Clinton/Bush/Obama officials.

If you aren't aware of the cross-party establishment and instead think Republicans and Democrats are mortal enemies, I don't know what to say. This dates back to the Cold War.

Yes, our system is designed to prevent radical change and sweeping power. Thus the limits of enforcement one branch has over the others. The Framers wanted a system that made change difficult, required compromise, and prevented one branch from dominating the other.


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3012 on: December 20, 2019, 08:47:59 am »
I don't remember Trump promising to be a corrupt criminal or a complete ****** moron.
What crime was he charged with?


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3013 on: December 20, 2019, 09:25:48 am »

The FBI is establishment. The NeoCon/NeoLib consensus. Trump is outside that consensus and thus a threat to their interests. They have more in common with Clinton than Trump. Remember many were appointed by Clinton/Bush/Obama officials.

If you aren't aware of the cross-party establishment and instead think Republicans and Democrats are mortal enemies, I don't know what to say. This dates back to the Cold War.

Yes, our system is designed to prevent radical change and sweeping power. Thus the limits of enforcement one branch has over the others. The Framers wanted a system that made change difficult, required compromise, and prevented one branch from dominating the other.

yeah because the FBI did no damage to the clinton campaign... /s. and obviously the FBI is establishment. but if you aren't aware it has historically been a right-leaning institution that has done much more to prevent the uprising of left-wing radicals than right-wing radicals (despite both being "against the establishment")

also, preventing one branch from dominating =/= obstructing another branch. there are legitimate ways to do this (ex. veto, which gives congress the chance to override it) and less legitimate ways (freezing congressionally-approved aid while trying to work out a behind-the-scenes deal that would be suspiciously politically useful)


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3014 on: December 20, 2019, 09:47:37 am »
I don't remember Trump promising to be a corrupt criminal or a complete ****** moron.
What crime was he charged with?

"Can't indict a sitting President". Isn't that the legalese floating around?


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3015 on: December 20, 2019, 10:16:45 am »
What a joke. Trump busted for asking about someone's son who knows eff all about oil being on an oil board in Ukraine
Fortunately, no one else has ever put someone on a board or, say, a cabinet, who knew "eff all" about their portfolio.  Betsy deVos, for instance, worked tirelessly throughout her adulthood to be involved in improving public educ--oh, she didn't?  She constantly advocated for private school at the expense of public education? Nevermind.  Well, that former Texas governor, Rick Perry, he was a specialist on nuclear power and never thought a government agency was more critical to our secur--what's that? He wanted it dismantled, could even think of the name of it, and thought when he took the job it was to be a cheerleader for oil sales? Oh, sorry. 
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and seeing if there was possible corruption, and somehow this is bad because Biden is a "rival", yet it's okay for the FBI to abuse the FISA court system and dig up dirt on Trump with a wink wink from the Obama admin? Please.
Not gonna defend the FBI--which surely is what any conservative would do in any other situation in the universe--but you do know dozens of people, and a big handful of Trump cronies, have been indicted, and/or found guilty and jailed, right?  Why does Trump hang with so many criminals?  That doesn't bother you nearly as much as some shady paperwork or cut corners.

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And obstruction of Congress? Every President ever has obstructed Congress to some degree.
That's true.
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Our system was specifically designed to have obstruction of each of the other branches.
That's pathetic. 


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3016 on: December 20, 2019, 10:19:51 am »
I don't remember Trump promising to be a corrupt criminal or a complete ****** moron.
What crime was he charged with?

Cough Trump University,  Donald J. Trump Foundation, campaign finance violations (yet to be indicted). The net is closing on Rudy G pretty fast too, finally.


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3017 on: December 20, 2019, 11:29:26 am »
There is one big 'win' here for trump, at least he's now managed something that Obama never could.  Congrats dickhead!


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3018 on: December 20, 2019, 12:20:41 pm »
I don't remember Trump promising to be a corrupt criminal or a complete ****** moron.

I dont't recall Nobama saying that neither.

"B-B-B-BUT OBAMA!!!"

Christ, anything to distract from the fact that you like a racist criminal who sold out the country to Russia.
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    Trump is a liar and a con man.
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Donald Trump is a lying sack of shit


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #3019 on: December 20, 2019, 12:45:28 pm »
I don't remember Trump promising to be a corrupt criminal or a complete ****** moron.
What crime was he charged with?

Cough Trump University,  Donald J. Trump Foundation, campaign finance violations (yet to be indicted). The net is closing on Rudy G pretty fast too, finally.

Yeah, it kind of depends on how far back you want to go. Only some of these are criminal acts (feels weird typing that about the sitting President of the United States) but you get the idea:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/donald-trump-scandals/474726/

Lucky for him, he inherited a massive fortune and was able to buy his way out of any consequences. No doubt Martino will say, "Well, we never said he was perfect" and then pretend that the charges for which he was impeached are totally out of character for the cheating, self-serving scumbag outlined in the article above.