which foreign power did obama ask for help? also i don't remember obama freezing aid to any country under the assumption that it would be released when that country helped him. i genuinely don't remember
On April 10, 2017, an assistant to Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, which is investigating Donald Trump’s campaign for possible collusion with the Kremlin, patched in a long-planned call from Andriy Parubiy, the speaker of the Rada, the Ukrainian parliament. Parubiy said he had some potentially explosive information about Trump’s visit to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant in 2013.“I would just caution that our Russian friends may be listening to the conversation, so I wouldn’t share anything over the phone that you don’t want them to hear,” Schiff warned.But Parubiy persisted. “In November 2013, Mr. Trump visited Moscow, he visited competition Miss Universe, and there he met with Russian journalist and celebrity Ksenia Sobchak,” he said in his heavily accented, awkward English. He explained that in addition to having ties to Putin, Sobchak is “also known as a person who provides girls for escort for oligarchs. And she met with Trump and she brought him one Russian girl, celebrity Olga Buzova.” Schiff soberly asked for clarification, and Parubiy answered directly: Sobchak, he said, is a “special agent of Russian secret service.”Buzova “got compromising materials on Trump after their short relations,” Parubiy said. “There were pictures of naked Trump.”Schiff betrayed no emotion. “And so Putin was made aware of the availability of the compromising material?” he asked.“Yes, of course,” Parubiy said. Putin wanted it communicated to Trump that “all those compromising materials will never be released if Trump will cancel all Russian sanctions.” The biggest bombshell: He had obtained a recording of Buzova and Sobchak talking about the kompromat while the two were visiting Ukraine. He told Schiff, “We are ready to provide [those materials] to FBI.”Parubiy had more to say. He told Schiff about meetings that Trump’s former national-security adviser, Michael Flynn, had had with a Russian pop singer who served as an intermediary for the Kremlin. They’d met at a café in Brighton Beach, a Russian-immigrant enclave in Brooklyn, where, Parubiy said, “they used a special password before their meetings.” One would say, “Weather is good on Deribasovskaya.” The right response was “It rains again on Brighton Beach.”“All righty. Good, this is very helpful. I appreciate it,” Schiff said. He told Parubiy that the U.S. would welcome the chance to review the evidence he had described. “We will try to work with the FBI to figure out, along with your staff, how we can obtain copies.”Schiff was right to be concerned about “our Russian friends” listening in, though not in the way he imagined. It wasn’t Parubiy who’d called. It was Vladimir Kuznetsov and Alexey Stolyarov, two Russian pranksters known as Vovan and Lexus.
Because he didn't. It's just more 'look over there' and 'Obama' nonsense. Also, what demartian has trouble understanding is that you don't get to highlight something you think is illegal by doing something blatantly illegal as well. That's not how it works.
But here's the question, if you are the President, and you suspect someone of corruption, who happens to be a political rival, do you have the authority to investigate them? Is that in the interest of the American people? I think the answer is "Probably". Should you be able, as head of state and chief law enforcement officer, be able to leverage foreign powers into releasing relevant information? "Probably".
There's also Trump's state of mind to consider- The President believes that he was the target of a vicious smear campaign, orchestrated at the highest levels of our government, including the FBI and CIA. And the fact is, he sort of was. Now those on the left think it's all true and Trump is a foreign agent, but plenty on the right, independents, and even some leftists ranging from Noam Chomsky to Glenn Greenwald to Matt Taibbi to Aaron Mate all think the Russia stuff is a bunch of nonsense and is either an orchestrated smear campaign or worse, an attempted soft coup. With that as Trump's frame of mind, and if you believe that to be the case, then that grants him EXTRAORDINARY latitude in his pursuit. We're talking about acts that amounted to a complete subversion of the US Constitution and an attempted overthrow of the duly elected head of state.
Reading all the post hoc justifications for Trump's actions is seriously pathetic.
Quote from: Ronnie Omelettes on November 19, 2019, 03:08:02 pmBecause he didn't. It's just more 'look over there' and 'Obama' nonsense. Also, what demartian has trouble understanding is that you don't get to highlight something you think is illegal by doing something blatantly illegal as well. That's not how it works. But here's the question, if you are the President, and you suspect someone of corruption, who happens to be a political rival, do you have the authority to investigate them? Is that in the interest of the American people? I think the answer is "Probably". Should you be able, as head of state and chief law enforcement officer, be able to leverage foreign powers into releasing relevant information? "Probably". There's also Trump's state of mind to consider- The President believes that he was the target of a vicious smear campaign, orchestrated at the highest levels of our government, including the FBI and CIA. And the fact is, he sort of was. Now those on the left think it's all true and Trump is a foreign agent, but plenty on the right, independents, and even some leftists ranging from Noam Chomsky to Glenn Greenwald to Matt Taibbi to Aaron Mate all think the Russia stuff is a bunch of nonsense and is either an orchestrated smear campaign or worse, an attempted soft coup. With that as Trump's frame of mind, and if you believe that to be the case, then that grants him EXTRAORDINARY latitude in his pursuit. We're talking about acts that amounted to a complete subversion of the US Constitution and an attempted overthrow of the duly elected head of state.
Gordon finally decided to tell the truth. Seeing trumpites cohen, manafort and stone sitting behind bars sure refreshed his memory. Rudy may be next. He's worried enough to be talking about having insurance.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1199718185865535490He's a fighter.
Ooohhh! Devin Nunes is in on it too? Basically, everyone is in on this. The best outcome of this would be the complete death of the republican party, and I'm sure that trump is going to do that. 'But the Ukrainians and the DNC server!!!'