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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2900 on: November 11, 2019, 08:16:27 am »
So in regards to the poll - Is the impeachment inquiry the same as an impeachment?  Didn't think this through when I made the poll. All correct responses will get tickets for a deposition of their choice.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2901 on: November 11, 2019, 08:25:56 am »
So in regards to the poll - Is the impeachment inquiry the same as an impeachment?  Didn't think this through when I made the poll. All correct responses will get tickets for a deposition of their choice.

 :laugh:

I think 'Impeachment by vote in Congress' to be the real one, so yes.  The fact that, at the moment, a fair few senators have already decided that trump is innocent and nothing will change that, tells you everything you need to know about what the senate will do.  Like I said, the republican party really is a disgusting mess.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2902 on: November 11, 2019, 09:54:15 am »
The position of some Republicans really is disturbing. Nobody, whatever their partisan leaning, should be okay with anyone saying "The evidence doesn't matter. We're not going to abide by the legal and procedural norms of the system that we have been elected to maintain." The Republican Party has essentially decided that formal rules and long-standing norms don't apply to its members, a rot that really accelerated with the Merrick Garland nomination, when they realized they could get away with anything if they just dug in their heels, deflected blame onto others and maintained reciprocal talking points with their media extensions.

Nothing says Trump Derangement Syndrome quite like this bunch:



Here we have people imploring others to "Read the Transcript". First of all, Trump won't release the verbatim transcript (so, presumably, none of these people have "read the transcript"), and the edited summary suggests that Trump is guilty of precisely  that of which he is accused.

This is a serious detachment from reality, much more indicative of actual derangement than the critiques that usually get met with cries of "TDS!"

 


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2903 on: November 11, 2019, 10:11:33 am »
Nothing says Trump Derangement Syndrome quite like this bunch:



Here we have people imploring others to "Read the Transcript". First of all, Trump won't release the verbatim transcript (so, presumably, none of these people have "read the transcript"), and the edited summary suggests that Trump is guilty of precisely  that of which he is accused.

This is a serious detachment from reality, much more indicative of actual derangement than the critiques that usually get met with cries of "TDS!"

I very much doubt that trump has even read the transcript, much in the same way he didn't read Bill Barr's 'opinion piece' of the Mueller Report.  What is on show here is both hilarious and worrying in equal measures.  How the trump and his government buddies have changed in the last few weeks since this all came out, is quite incredible.  Nothing here, it was perfect, perfect, well everyone does it, so what if it was a QPQ? It's not impeachable, this is how he normally does things.  So what?

That photo is lovely in its disgusting absurdity as it, apart from knowing that they're all paid to be there, that there is a cross-section of society behind him. Black guy - check, Asian guy - check, mixed-race couple - check,  older white woman - check, a couple of younger white females - check, white males - check.  The fact that the orange disgrace in front of them is still president is the most absurd thing about it.   


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2904 on: November 11, 2019, 12:07:35 pm »
It's not "dirt" if it's true. And if it's true, the President has every right to have it pursued as it relates to both corruption and possible election interference in 2016.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2905 on: November 11, 2019, 12:09:49 pm »
It's not "dirt" if it's true. And if it's true, the President has every right to have it pursued as it relates to both corruption and possible election interference in 2016.

That is what folks here cannot get through their head...


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2906 on: November 11, 2019, 12:21:43 pm »
It's not "dirt" if it's true. And if it's true, the President has every right to have it pursued as it relates to both corruption and possible election interference in 2016.

Holding up aid for political purposes is lawful?

Election Interference? Why don't the Republicans want to investigate Russia.


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2907 on: November 11, 2019, 12:24:17 pm »
It's not "dirt" if it's true. And if it's true, the President has every right to have it pursued as it relates to both corruption and possible election interference in 2016.

That is what folks here cannot get through their head...

What you both seem to be having trouble with is there is a right and wrong way to do this.  Having Rudy Guliani anywhere near this was the wrong way to do it. 

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Third, the president would bring in people to do damage control and have those supposed experts actually deliver more damage. This, of course, has been the outcome of the recent addition of Rudy Giuliani to the presidentís personal legal team.

Judd Gregg

trump has never done anything in a legal way.  He hired nutcase guliani to help him.  The sooner you two understand that together they fooked this up royally and illegally the better. 


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2908 on: November 11, 2019, 02:23:45 pm »
It's not "dirt" if it's true. And if it's true, the President has every right to have it pursued as it relates to both corruption and possible election interference in 2016.

The US-Ukraine treaty that NorthStar posted outlines the correct way to go about investigating a potential criminal offense committed in the Ukraine. Bribing Ukrainian politicians to go on CNN and make innuendo-laden announcements about ambiguous corruption scandals is not contained in the articles of the treaty.

DeMartino, have you read any of the witness testimony? All of it points to one conclusion - Giuliani and Trump cooked up a dumb plot to smear Biden, based on some sketchy reporting from a Breitbart writer and someone who is now a Fox News contributor. They got caught. There is very little scope for other interpretations, unless you're bending over backwards to exonerate Trump. I've posted links to some of the opening statements already. It would really help you focus your arguments if you read them. The "Trump was legitimately investigating a crime" angle died a long time ago.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2909 on: November 11, 2019, 08:57:01 pm »
It's not "dirt" if it's true. And if it's true, the President has every right to have it pursued as it relates to both corruption and possible election interference in 2016.
But it's been proven untrue. I know you've never met a lie you won't re-tell, but if, if, if is mighty weak.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2910 on: November 12, 2019, 12:42:37 am »
He has to be impeached by the House and the Senate.

One will, the other won't.

This is not news.

Election 2020 is the only way.


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2911 on: November 12, 2019, 07:33:46 am »
Decent analogy from Walter Shaub (Government Ethics Attorney)

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1) Citizen sees burning building.  Calls police
2) Police officer calls it in.
3) Fire chief demands to know citizen's name.
4) City council member threatens to leak name of citizen, questions motive for reporting fire
5) Building is still burning


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2912 on: November 12, 2019, 08:03:16 am »
It's not "dirt" if it's true. And if it's true, the President has every right to have it pursued as it relates to both corruption and possible election interference in 2016.

That is what folks here cannot get through their head...

NorthStar, did you read the US-Ukraine treaty that you posted on here? Did Trump follow the procedures outlined in its articles?

Here's another analogy...

Police respond to a positive witness identification of a bank robbery suspect. Suspect has a fat burlap sack with "$" printed on it, and won't let the investigators see what's inside. Several bank employees independently identify this suspect as the main culprit, who committed the robbery with some accomplices. All suspected accomplices have gone underground and refuse to cooperate with the police. CCTV footage reveals an undeniably strong likeness between the main suspect and the person captured on camera. Analysis of electronic communication reveals suspect and accomplices discussing the bank's opening hours, exit locations and employee behaviors.

DeMartino's conclusion: The suspect could've legitimately earned that money doing seasonal work as a mall Santa. The bank employee who first called the police could be Jewish, and might carry some antipathy for Christmas. Ergo, this whole thing is a sham.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2913 on: November 12, 2019, 08:40:27 am »
The position of some Republicans really is disturbing. Nobody, whatever their partisan leaning, should be okay with anyone saying "The evidence doesn't matter. We're not going to abide by the legal and procedural norms of the system that we have been elected to maintain." The Republican Party has essentially decided that formal rules and long-standing norms don't apply to its members, a rot that really accelerated with the Merrick Garland nomination, when they realized they could get away with anything if they just dug in their heels, deflected blame onto others and maintained reciprocal talking points with their media extensions.

Nothing says Trump Derangement Syndrome quite like this bunch:



Here we have people imploring others to "Read the Transcript". First of all, Trump won't release the verbatim transcript (so, presumably, none of these people have "read the transcript"), and the edited summary suggests that Trump is guilty of precisely  that of which he is accused.

This is a serious detachment from reality, much more indicative of actual derangement than the critiques that usually get met with cries of "TDS!"

 

We should be ok with gotcha politics and overturning elections because we didn't like the results. 


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2914 on: November 12, 2019, 09:46:18 am »
He has to be impeached by the House and the Senate.

One will, the other won't.

This is not news.

Election 2020 is the only way.

It will be interesting to see how some Senate Republicans vote.

With all the evidence against Trump likely to come out in public, I can see more moderate and independent voters leaning in favor of impeachment.

Vulnerable Republicans up for reelection in 2020 might go for impeachment. The GOP are losing suburban voters and they might take the risk in voting against Trump. Then again, Trump might get pissy and demand that another Republican primary them.


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2915 on: November 15, 2019, 12:41:15 pm »
If only there was something to comment on in American politics at the moment.  If only there was some slick, relevant, legal, constitutional investigation conducted live on tv to show the American public that their president is a corrupt fraud who can't do anything legally even if he tried.  All his party seem to be doing is speaking about conspiracy theories and diversions that don't mean anything, because that's all they've got.  Imagine that?  You have Schiff and the Democrats interviewing and trying to find out the facts, while the jacketless gym jordan is spouting absolute crap.   trump loves ratings, but he seems to hate these ratings. 


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2916 on: November 15, 2019, 01:49:46 pm »
If only there was something to comment on in American politics at the moment.  If only there was some slick, relevant, legal, constitutional investigation conducted live on tv to show the American public that their president is a corrupt fraud who can't do anything legally even if he tried.  All his party seem to be doing is speaking about conspiracy theories and diversions that don't mean anything, because that's all they've got.  Imagine that?  You have Schiff and the Democrats interviewing and trying to find out the facts, while the jacketless gym jordan is spouting absolute crap.   trump loves ratings, but he seems to hate these ratings. 
You know what's telling? We are smack dab in the middle of impeachment and there's barely a peep out of people at this point. I think the public has pretty much retreated to their respective camps and it seems people in the middle have just tuned out. Probably because for the last 3 years the left has been constantly shrieking about one thing after another in a display that has made the Boy Who Cried Wolf seem like a model of restraint.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2917 on: November 15, 2019, 03:06:05 pm »
If only there was something to comment on in American politics at the moment.  If only there was some slick, relevant, legal, constitutional investigation conducted live on tv to show the American public that their president is a corrupt fraud who can't do anything legally even if he tried.  All his party seem to be doing is speaking about conspiracy theories and diversions that don't mean anything, because that's all they've got.  Imagine that?  You have Schiff and the Democrats interviewing and trying to find out the facts, while the jacketless gym jordan is spouting absolute crap.   trump loves ratings, but he seems to hate these ratings. 
You know what's telling? We are smack dab in the middle of impeachment and there's barely a peep out of people at this point. I think the public has pretty much retreated to their respective camps and it seems people in the middle have just tuned out. Probably because for the last 3 years the left has been constantly shrieking about one thing after another in a display that has made the Boy Who Cried Wolf seem like a model of restraint.

Beeeennnnnngghhhhazzzziiiiii.

Buuuuuutttt her e-mails.

The right shrieked and deflected for 8 years under Obama.

They were proven obstructionists from Day 1 of the Obama Presidency.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2918 on: November 15, 2019, 03:11:44 pm »
If only there was something to comment on in American politics at the moment.  If only there was some slick, relevant, legal, constitutional investigation conducted live on tv to show the American public that their president is a corrupt fraud who can't do anything legally even if he tried.  All his party seem to be doing is speaking about conspiracy theories and diversions that don't mean anything, because that's all they've got.  Imagine that?  You have Schiff and the Democrats interviewing and trying to find out the facts, while the jacketless gym jordan is spouting absolute crap.   trump loves ratings, but he seems to hate these ratings. 

Moscow Mitch
Leningrad Lindsay
Red Rand Paul
Devin "Delete the cow" Nunes

All doing Russia's bidding.

Their integrity and patrotism collapsed faster than a Trump Casino.


Re: When will Trump be impeached? -2019 Better late than never- Congratulations!
« Reply #2919 on: November 15, 2019, 03:50:40 pm »
If only there was something to comment on in American politics at the moment.  If only there was some slick, relevant, legal, constitutional investigation conducted live on tv to show the American public that their president is a corrupt fraud who can't do anything legally even if he tried.  All his party seem to be doing is speaking about conspiracy theories and diversions that don't mean anything, because that's all they've got.  Imagine that?  You have Schiff and the Democrats interviewing and trying to find out the facts, while the jacketless gym jordan is spouting absolute crap.   trump loves ratings, but he seems to hate these ratings. 
You know what's telling? We are smack dab in the middle of impeachment and there's barely a peep out of people at this point. I think the public has pretty much retreated to their respective camps and it seems people in the middle have just tuned out.

At first, you wrote something I agreed with, but then you had to continue...

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Probably because for the last 3 years the left has been constantly shrieking about one thing after another in a display that has made the Boy Who Cried Wolf seem like a model of restraint.

...and write something like this.  It's the sad state of American politics that people aren't paying attention to what has happened regardless of where they are on the political spectrum.  It seems you've taken this left/right crap, hook, line and sinker.  I understand that if you were to finally admit that trump has done terrible illegal things his whole presidency then you'd have to admit that you've been wrong this whole time, which you can't do.  Obviously.  The republican defence at the moment is hilarious to watch because they have nothing to defend his actions.