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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2780 on: October 08, 2019, 07:45:47 am »
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Be that as it may, did it ever occur to you, the reason he is under so much incoming fire, is because the Swap REALLY is afraid of him exposing what they have been doing?

No, that most certainly did not occur to me. Someone who has lived his whole life steeped in corruption doesn't suddenly become an anti-corruption crusader the minute he gets more power, a power strengthened by the loyalists and yes-men and flatterers that surround him. I honestly don't understand how someone can look at Donald Trump, of all people, and assume that he's the exception to that rule. Because he says "Drain the swamp" at rallies? That's the only qualification you need to cast yourself as some kind of anti-corruption activist? (All while threatening to throw political rivals in prison for "treason" and chuckling about having whistleblowers executed.)


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2781 on: October 08, 2019, 09:32:07 am »
trump, in his great and unmatched wisdom, will find a way to keep the presidencyor at least bring us all down with him


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2782 on: October 08, 2019, 10:18:56 am »
I honestly don't understand how someone can look at Donald Trump, of all people, and assume that he's the exception to that rule. Because he says "Drain the swamp" at rallies? That's the only qualification you need to cast yourself as some kind of anti-corruption activist? (All while threatening to throw political rivals in prison for "treason" and chuckling about having whistleblowers executed.)

No complaints regarding other candidates doing corrupt things yet pointing the finger at others....Trump is no boy scout, for sure .


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2783 on: October 08, 2019, 10:34:59 am »
I honestly don't understand how someone can look at Donald Trump, of all people, and assume that he's the exception to that rule.

Trump is no boy scout, for sure . Be that as it may, did it ever occur to you, the reason he is under so much incoming fire, is because the Swap REALLY is afraid of him exposing what they have been doing

wait... so he is corrupt ("trump is no boy scout")... but the other corrupt people ("the Swap") are afraid of him exposing their corruption... so, he's using corruption to fight corruption? or he's just replacing one corrupt group with another? how does this make sense?

IS TRUMP THE BATMAN? and who is watching the watchmen!? and who is whistle-blowing on the whistle-blowers!?


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2784 on: October 08, 2019, 10:35:31 am »
Mr. DeMartino... The sentence that follows the one you quoted from North Star suggests that he believes Trump to be an anti-corruption advocate, despite a lifetime of words and actions that indicate precisely the opposite. It seems like you're trying to deliberately misconstrue my point. I wasn't accusing North Star of saying Donald Trump was perfect. This is specifically about Trump and corruption - his actions, his words, his dishonesty, his hypocrisy.

Do you think he's an effective fighter of corruption? Did he become one after he misappropriated money from the Trump Foundation, or was he still committed to the anti-corruption cause back then?

"Hey, this child molester wants to work in a kindergarten."

"Why would you consider letting him do that?"

"He says he wants to protect children from other child molesters. I believe him."

"But he's a repeat offender who still posts child porn on the internet. And all his friends are child molesters."

"Well, I never denied that he's a child molester."

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2785 on: October 08, 2019, 11:58:18 am »
"I bought a Mercedes with no license plates, a missing tire and bullet holes in the door from a shifty-looking guy for $500. I started driving it and one of the other wheels came off, causing a major accident on the highway for which I'm now being held responsible by greedy insurance companies and corrupt law enforcement officials."

"So what did you think was going to happen? You didn't foresee the consequences when you took that car on the road?"

"I told you, I could sense that the guy was shifty, so don't accuse me of burying my head in the sand. Besides, all used car dealers are dishonest."

"Okay, but you're still on the hook for what happened."

"Yeah, it's really unfair. Like I said, I acknowledge that the guy was no angel and the car was in less than perfect condition. Shouldn't that indemnify me? Also, the guy said he'd lost the first tire en route to an orphanage to deliver presents."
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2786 on: October 08, 2019, 12:56:43 pm »
"I bought a Mercedes with no license plates, a missing tire and bullet holes in the door from a shifty-looking guy for $500. I started driving it and one of the other wheels came off, causing a major accident on the highway for which I'm now being held responsible by greedy insurance companies and corrupt law enforcement officials."

"So what did you think was going to happen? You didn't foresee the consequences when you took that car on the road?"

"I told you, I could sense that the guy was shifty, so don't accuse me of burying my head in the sand. Besides, all used car dealers are dishonest."

"Okay, but you're still on the hook for what happened."

"Yeah, it's really unfair. Like I said, I acknowledge that the guy was no angel and the car was in less than perfect condition. Shouldn't that indemnify me? Also, the guy said he'd lost the first tire en route to an orphanage to deliver presents."
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2787 on: October 08, 2019, 02:26:16 pm »
"I bought a Mercedes with no license plates, a missing tire and bullet holes in the door from a shifty-looking guy for $500. I started driving it and one of the other wheels came off, causing a major accident on the highway for which I'm now being held responsible by greedy insurance companies and corrupt law enforcement officials."

"So what did you think was going to happen? You didn't foresee the consequences when you took that car on the road?"

"I told you, I could sense that the guy was shifty, so don't accuse me of burying my head in the sand. Besides, all used car dealers are dishonest."

"Okay, but you're still on the hook for what happened."

"Yeah, it's really unfair. Like I said, I acknowledge that the guy was no angel and the car was in less than perfect condition. Shouldn't that indemnify me? Also, the guy said he'd lost the first tire en route to an orphanage to deliver presents."
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2788 on: October 09, 2019, 01:12:51 am »
So do you think Trump's appointment of his children to government positions, his funneling of taxpayers' money to his businesses, his coziness with foreign lobbyists and his refusal to abide by tax transparency norms are all part of his anti-corruption agenda? Or by ignoring those things, are you cherry-picking a narrative that serves your worldview?

No complaints regarding other candidates doing corrupt things yet pointing the finger at others....Trump is no boy scout, for sure . Be that as it may, did it ever occur to you, the reason he is under so much incoming fire, is because the Swap REALLY is afraid of him exposing what they have been doing? 

Tomato/Tomahto
He's had plenty of time to expose the "swap." Instead, dishonest don has assembled and directed the most corrupt administration in US history.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2789 on: October 09, 2019, 02:48:18 am »
 If the composition of congress remains as it is now, then any Trump impeachment will defend on the revelation of crimes that even the Republicans cannot ignore. So, if more problems are revealed, then it may happen.

I am not a fan of Donald Trump, but I was not surprised that he won in 2016. I remember my American friends in Seoul Pub, Itaewon, in September 2016, telling me that Donald Trump could not win. I pointed out that he could win, because elections aren't over until they are over. The same will be true in 2020.

America needs a progressive president and a congress that can deal with that.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2790 on: October 09, 2019, 08:17:30 am »
If the composition of congress remains as it is now, then any Trump impeachment will defend on the revelation of crimes that even the Republicans cannot ignore. So, if more problems are revealed, then it may happen.

I am not a fan of Donald Trump, but I was not surprised that he won in 2016. I remember my American friends in Seoul Pub, Itaewon, in September 2016, telling me that Donald Trump could not win. I pointed out that he could win, because elections aren't over until they are over. The same will be true in 2020.

America needs a progressive president and a congress that can deal with that.

The only reasons trump won was because of a terrible opponent and the electoral college.

I would bet money he is a one term pony. Any candidate other than Biden will defeat him. Also many states have passed laws that their electoral votes will go to the winner by popular vote so that will help too.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2791 on: October 09, 2019, 02:40:53 pm »
The FBI was caught flat-footed by Russia's disinformation campaign in 2016, a new bipartisan report issued by the Senate Intelligence Committee has found.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/08/politics/facebook-russia-election-meddling-report/index.html

Russian trolls interfered on social media "by harming Hillary Clinton's chances of success and supporting Donald Trump at the direction of the Kremlin," the report said, and before that, the trolls attacked Trump's rivals in the Republican primary.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2792 on: October 09, 2019, 02:56:12 pm »
The only reasons trump won was because of a terrible opponent and the electoral college.

Don't underestimate Russian interference. There's a good chance without it the elections results would have been different.

Clinton's terrible? It was only after the (very effective) smear campaign of false conspiracy theories / slander that many began to think of her as terrible.

She was named by Americans as the woman they most admire 22 times, including 17 years in a row.

Trump = much worst.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2793 on: October 09, 2019, 05:40:21 pm »
...too bad you scholars don't wish to mention Burisma and/or a DNC operative working with the Ukrainian embassy in the U.S.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2794 on: October 09, 2019, 09:37:50 pm »
...too bad you scholars don't wish to mention Burisma and/or a DNC operative working with the Ukrainian embassy in the U.S.
Scholars don't buy in to conspiracy theories.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2795 on: October 09, 2019, 09:46:54 pm »
I've mentioned Burisma and I'd be happy to talk more about it if there were anything concrete to discuss. All we have so far is the appearance of a conflict of interest (a legitimate concern, but rich coming from Trump) and a Gateway Pundit-style conspiracy theory (the Crowdstrike / DNC nonsense). If this situation tanks Biden's presidential ambitions and Hunter Biden's career, that's fine with me. Let it be a lesson to future politicians to be more circumspect in letting your kids cash in on the family name. However, nothing about this particular appearance of a conflict of interest proves wrongdoing on the part of the Bidens. So that I don't have to eat my words later, I'll say that that could change - maybe some evidence will emerge that shows that Joe Biden acted in a provably corrupt manner to protect his son and Burisma. To date, all the available facts suggest otherwise, which is why the Republicans look so totally scattered and desperate when talking about this. There is no coherent story.

This article is highly critical of the Bidens and the general practice of the children of well-connected politicians getting appointed to unearned positions. I suggest everyone read it.

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/09/joe-hunter-biden-family-money/?fbclid=IwAR18Rm-lG1uEGTBMuuVmFa6OxXlkd1nJF7DG56lACi5Rb_-e6nZLy-N6CdI&fbclid=IwAR3cOBKqALi9sIuxMSHmzlg5uLbMNF3n-xlHvD66n2M46rFw9LwLtHauqQU


Here is the key passage for you NorthStar:

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Investigative reporters and GOP operatives have dived deep into the question of whether Joe Biden ever used his official power to do favors for special interests shoveling money to his family and found no proof of this. In the case of Ukraine, itís likely that Bidenís actions as vice president, in demanding the firing of the countryís top prosecutor, did more to hurt his sonís company than anything else. As far as the impeachment inquiry is concerned, thatís an important point: There was no illegal behavior for Trump to hang his desired corruption investigation into Joe Biden on. His entire goal was to use the power of the American empire to pressure a client state into ginning up bad press for his Democratic rival. Nobody seriously believes that Trump has any serious commitment to eradicating corruption in Ukraine, or any genuine opposition to nepotism. A member of his own family has used the power of the White House to shake down Gulf autocrats for a real-estate bailout, after all.



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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2796 on: October 09, 2019, 09:56:28 pm »
The only reasons trump won was because of a terrible opponent and the electoral college.

Don't underestimate Russian interference. There's a good chance without it the elections results would have been different.

Clinton's terrible? It was only after the (very effective) smear campaign of false conspiracy theories / slander that many began to think of her as terrible.

She was named by Americans as the woman they most admire 22 times, including 17 years in a row.

Trump = much worst.

Any respect voters may have had for her went out the window after her and the DNC basically fixing the primary and to this day not owning up to it. She is/was a career politician who rode the coattails of her perverted husband (epstein bff).


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2797 on: October 09, 2019, 10:31:59 pm »
Looks like you fell for some fake news started in Russia. That's actually not true. Misinformation.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2798 on: October 09, 2019, 10:48:14 pm »
"The main problem with the notion that the DNC rigged the results for Clinton is that it requires one to assume the improbable. The DNC had no role or authority in primary contests, which are run by state governments. Clinton dominated the primaries."


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2799 on: October 09, 2019, 10:57:22 pm »