You are making a well spoken argument...but...I still don't see where the impeachable offense is. We may never know what Creepy Joe was up to because HIS boss at the time told the Ukraine to fire the prosecutor that would have overseen the case against Biden's son, or else the 1 billion dollars of US loans would be withheld. That is a fact. Six in one hand, 1/2 dozen the other. AND..lets not forget about this terms in which this "whistleblower" filed a complaint and how the dynamics secretly changed regarding filing said complaint...did read that? Furthermore, this "whistleblower"...did not even hear the conversation. The transcripts were released....what... is....the specific...offense? A sitting president that is trying to find information regarding a case against the former VP (which stinks anyway) and his son, whilst, negotiating US given loans? I don't see it.
Facts: - The impeachment narrative is being sponsored by the corrupt mainstream media...Nancy P and Co. don't have anything to stand on, ,so are riding on the coat tails. - This possibly will expose the NObama administration,s dealings with the Ukraine. - A sitting president is allowed to call any foreign leader, asking assistance to gather information, regarding a situation involving corruption with a former VP (and the administration he worked under).-This IS bigger than Creepy Joe...it is important to find out what going on. -President Trump WANTED to get dirt on Biden (but still not an impeachable offense), NObama and HRC...payback (I don't blame him). -The case in the Ukraine regarding Creep Joe and certain members of the Obama administration, ,IS moving forward. -Barak Obama was informed and KNEW, Russia was trying to impose on the 201 election...and made a choice to not say anything. -HRC's campaign and the DNC paid money to foreign nationals through Fusion GPS. to conjure up a fake dossier on then candidate Trump (POSSIBLY in the Ukraine...more on that later). -Since the first president of the US, conversations with foreign nationals can be put into a sensitive category....but that does not equate to "cover up". -What the whistleblower reported was not based having access to President Trump talking with the Ukraine president. .It was based on anonymous sources and what the person THINKS happened. -The Republican party should come together and ..tell Mitt Romney to shut the phuck up....call out this out as the fraud it is....(but as I have said many times, they stand by watching the house burn). -President Trump said that we believe there as deep corruption from the U.S. in the Ukraine, having pieces of evidence and we believe you don't know some of those names and they are still surrounding you...be very careful but you must further these investigations. ....the President of the Ukraine says he knows whom and what Trump is talking about...and the investigations are going forward (whatever "forward" means). -CBS news puts out that over 300 people (Republican and Democrats) who worked in national security industry, condemned the president....but with no evidence to condemn anyone. -President Trump WANTS to expose Biden's (and others') corruption in the Ukraine, including the 2016 corruption surrouding HRC and the DNC (and NObama)...whatever that may be. ...but that is NOT an impeachable offense. -Blase Ford has some sort of political ax to grind....-If Biden (and his son) did nothing wrong, Trump would be in a worse situation. -Guliani needs to be quiet. -Republicans need to just come out with it and expose the Democrat party (could expose themselves, as well).-This is more than mere politics.-A corrupt media has allied itself with a political party, to destroy a President of the United States.-And lets not forget this...https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/intel-community-secretly-gutted-requirement-of-first-hand-whistleblower-knowledge/
Facts:
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
Quote from: NorthStar on September 30, 2019, 06:33:58 pmFacts: What did Isaac Asimov say:Quote“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”Your 'factual' post proved this...
Trump asked Scott Morrison for help investigating Mueller inquiry into Russian election interference https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-01/donald-trump-pressed-scott-morrison-for-help-mueller-report/11562604
Quote from: Ronnie Omelettes on October 01, 2019, 06:50:40 amQuote from: NorthStar on September 30, 2019, 06:33:58 pmFacts: What did Isaac Asimov say:Quote“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”Your 'factual' post proved this...Indeed and so much so that some of them believe that Lexi Downer is a left wing Clinton operative Quote Trump asked Scott Morrison for help investigating Mueller inquiry into Russian election interference https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-01/donald-trump-pressed-scott-morrison-for-help-mueller-report/11562604
"It's not only a conspiracy theory, it is completely debunked. I don't want to be glib about this matter, but last year, retired former Sen. Judd Gregg wrote a piece in The Hill magazine saying the 3 ways or the 5 ways to impeach one's self. And the 3rd way was to hire Rudy Giuliani. And at this point, I am deeply frustrated with what he and the legal team is doing in repeating that debunked theory to the president. It sticks in his mind when he hears it over and over again. And for clarity here, George, let me just again repeat that it has no validity."
Quote from: NorthStar on September 30, 2019, 06:33:58 pmFacts: - The impeachment narrative is being sponsored by the corrupt mainstream media...Nancy P and Co. don't have anything to stand on, ,so are riding on the coat tails. - This possibly will expose the NObama administration,s dealings with the Ukraine. - A sitting president is allowed to call any foreign leader, asking assistance to gather information, regarding a situation involving corruption with a former VP (and the administration he worked under).-This IS bigger than Creepy Joe...it is important to find out what going on. -President Trump WANTED to get dirt on Biden (but still not an impeachable offense), NObama and HRC...payback (I don't blame him). -The case in the Ukraine regarding Creep Joe and certain members of the Obama administration, ,IS moving forward. -Barak Obama was informed and KNEW, Russia was trying to impose on the 201 election...and made a choice to not say anything. -HRC's campaign and the DNC paid money to foreign nationals through Fusion GPS. to conjure up a fake dossier on then candidate Trump (POSSIBLY in the Ukraine...more on that later). -Since the first president of the US, conversations with foreign nationals can be put into a sensitive category....but that does not equate to "cover up". -What the whistleblower reported was not based having access to President Trump talking with the Ukraine president. .It was based on anonymous sources and what the person THINKS happened. -The Republican party should come together and ..tell Mitt Romney to shut the phuck up....call out this out as the fraud it is....(but as I have said many times, they stand by watching the house burn). -President Trump said that we believe there as deep corruption from the U.S. in the Ukraine, having pieces of evidence and we believe you don't know some of those names and they are still surrounding you...be very careful but you must further these investigations. ....the President of the Ukraine says he knows whom and what Trump is talking about...and the investigations are going forward (whatever "forward" means). -CBS news puts out that over 300 people (Republican and Democrats) who worked in national security industry, condemned the president....but with no evidence to condemn anyone. -President Trump WANTS to expose Biden's (and others') corruption in the Ukraine, including the 2016 corruption surrouding HRC and the DNC (and NObama)...whatever that may be. ...but that is NOT an impeachable offense. -Blase Ford has some sort of political ax to grind....-If Biden (and his son) did nothing wrong, Trump would be in a worse situation. -Guliani needs to be quiet. -Republicans need to just come out with it and expose the Democrat party (could expose themselves, as well).-This is more than mere politics.-A corrupt media has allied itself with a political party, to destroy a President of the United States.-And lets not forget this...https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/intel-community-secretly-gutted-requirement-of-first-hand-whistleblower-knowledge/This post is an aurora borealis of unreason.
Quote from: Adel on October 01, 2019, 07:12:14 amQuote from: Ronnie Omelettes on October 01, 2019, 06:50:40 amQuote from: NorthStar on September 30, 2019, 06:33:58 pmFacts: What did Isaac Asimov say:Quote“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”Your 'factual' post proved this...Indeed and so much so that some of them believe that Lexi Downer is a left wing Clinton operative Quote Trump asked Scott Morrison for help investigating Mueller inquiry into Russian election interference https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-01/donald-trump-pressed-scott-morrison-for-help-mueller-report/11562604 I get the feeling that the world may run out of popcorn watching this unravel...Also, Tom Bossert and his piece about trump and guiliani...Quote"It's not only a conspiracy theory, it is completely debunked. I don't want to be glib about this matter, but last year, retired former Sen. Judd Gregg wrote a piece in The Hill magazine saying the 3 ways or the 5 ways to impeach one's self. And the 3rd way was to hire Rudy Giuliani. And at this point, I am deeply frustrated with what he and the legal team is doing in repeating that debunked theory to the president. It sticks in his mind when he hears it over and over again. And for clarity here, George, let me just again repeat that it has no validity."
Let’s not forget if Trump was a civilian he would have been charged for the sex payments to the porn star. So there is that for illegal behavior which fits into a pattern with him.
Quote from: thunderlips on October 01, 2019, 07:51:19 amLet’s not forget if Trump was a civilian he would have been charged for the sex payments to the porn star. So there is that for illegal behavior which fits into a pattern with him. Obama's campaign was fined $500k for campaign finance violations. Not sure how much trouble Trump would really be in. If its something where he'd just be fined, then that's not really anything anyone would care about, nor should it disqualify him (which is kind of how I see Hillary's email. My gut tells me that if she did in fact do something wrong, then it's something she'd probably get fined over. Whoop de doo. BFD)
Quote from: fka on October 01, 2019, 07:38:07 amQuote from: NorthStar on September 30, 2019, 06:33:58 pmFacts: - The impeachment narrative is being sponsored by the corrupt mainstream media...Nancy P and Co. don't have anything to stand on, ,so are riding on the coat tails. - This possibly will expose the NObama administration,s dealings with the Ukraine. - A sitting president is allowed to call any foreign leader, asking assistance to gather information, regarding a situation involving corruption with a former VP (and the administration he worked under).-This IS bigger than Creepy Joe...it is important to find out what going on. -President Trump WANTED to get dirt on Biden (but still not an impeachable offense), NObama and HRC...payback (I don't blame him). -The case in the Ukraine regarding Creep Joe and certain members of the Obama administration, ,IS moving forward. -Barak Obama was informed and KNEW, Russia was trying to impose on the 201 election...and made a choice to not say anything. -HRC's campaign and the DNC paid money to foreign nationals through Fusion GPS. to conjure up a fake dossier on then candidate Trump (POSSIBLY in the Ukraine...more on that later). -Since the first president of the US, conversations with foreign nationals can be put into a sensitive category....but that does not equate to "cover up". -What the whistleblower reported was not based having access to President Trump talking with the Ukraine president. .It was based on anonymous sources and what the person THINKS happened. -The Republican party should come together and ..tell Mitt Romney to shut the phuck up....call out this out as the fraud it is....(but as I have said many times, they stand by watching the house burn). -President Trump said that we believe there as deep corruption from the U.S. in the Ukraine, having pieces of evidence and we believe you don't know some of those names and they are still surrounding you...be very careful but you must further these investigations. ....the President of the Ukraine says he knows whom and what Trump is talking about...and the investigations are going forward (whatever "forward" means). -CBS news puts out that over 300 people (Republican and Democrats) who worked in national security industry, condemned the president....but with no evidence to condemn anyone. -President Trump WANTS to expose Biden's (and others') corruption in the Ukraine, including the 2016 corruption surrouding HRC and the DNC (and NObama)...whatever that may be. ...but that is NOT an impeachable offense. -Blase Ford has some sort of political ax to grind....-If Biden (and his son) did nothing wrong, Trump would be in a worse situation. -Guliani needs to be quiet. -Republicans need to just come out with it and expose the Democrat party (could expose themselves, as well).-This is more than mere politics.-A corrupt media has allied itself with a political party, to destroy a President of the United States.-And lets not forget this...https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/intel-community-secretly-gutted-requirement-of-first-hand-whistleblower-knowledge/This post is an aurora borealis of unreason.How so?
One of the reasons why the Ukraine scandal is starting to have legs is that it demonstrates that the Trump you see on Twitter is not some virtual persona distinct from the man himself; they are one and the same. There is no “just Twitter.” There is just Trump, and Trump can and will operationalize his vendettas and conspiracy theories, including by running unofficial diplomatic operations through his personal legal team. He can and will break through the safeguards erected around him, even in matters of grave national importance.We know from Twitter and other public statements that Trump obsesses over various conspiracy theories, especially when they have the potential to magnify his 2016 victory. He has repeatedly claimed that “millions and millions” of people (including illegal aliens) voted unlawfully for Hillary Clinton, and time and again expressed doubts that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. This, above and beyond the evidence of a quid pro quo and the calls for a dependent, desperate foreign nation to investigate a domestic political opponent based on mischaracterized facts, is what makes the summary of Trump’s call with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky so jolting: Trump was attempting to enlist a foreign leader in the private investigation, led by his personal counsel, of a debunked conspiracy theory.In fact, his commitment to this absurd theory is so complete that he apparently tossed aside his advisers’ repeated warnings that it had been debunked and allowed it to taint American diplomacy. This weekend, former Trump homeland-security adviser Thomas Bossert spoke on the record to ABC News and the New York Times and noted that members of the administration had “repeatedly” tried to convince Trump that there was nothing to the notion that a Crowdstrike server in Ukraine held the key to questioning the reality of Russian election interference...Americans have always paid close attention to their presidents’ words for a simple and profound reason: Words convey beliefs and intentions. For four years, Trump’s defenders have persuaded tens of millions of Americans that his words matter less than the words of other presidents, that there exists some kind of unbreachable firewall between bad tweets and bad acts. The Ukraine scandal shows that this is not true. Trump is like any other president in one key respect: His words matter, and when, as is so often the case, they’re irresponsible, irresponsible actions can and will follow.
t seems to be well worded smear piece that offers no sources on what it claims regarding "conspiracy theories"...but,, well written. f President Trump ever stops reacting and starts thinking, he should tell the nation that his conversation with the president of Ukraine had to do with gathering facts about possible government corruption at the highest level. Spell it out, Mr. President. As America’s chief law enforcement agent, you have the sworn duty to expose nefarious activity in the federal system past and present.
