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  • Mr C
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2620 on: June 01, 2019, 11:40:30 pm »
None of which is because of Trump or Putin.
You made a statement about things in the US were fine.  Why don't you just answer the question instead of changing the subject.
The subject was Russia wanting the downfall of America and Trump helping this along. The question is, is Russia behind any of the alleged "Downfall of America" and is Trump responsible? The answer is no. Trump is not responsible for the suicide epidemic and neither is Russia. America is doing fine and Russia is in a malaise. Trump's ACTIONS have been to seriously undercut Russia on its main export of natural gas to Germany. Hardly the act of a puppet or someone trying to bring about the downfall of America.

Do you even stop to consider whether any criticism of Trump makes sense or do you just blindly accept it because it's about Trump and negative, therefore it must be true?
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What chu talkin' bout, Willis?

Trump admitted Russia helped him win, why can't you?


  • gogators!
  • The Legend

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2621 on: June 02, 2019, 05:42:00 am »
None of which is because of Trump or Putin.
You made a statement about things in the US were fine.  Why don't you just answer the question instead of changing the subject.
The subject was Russia wanting the downfall of America and Trump helping this along. The question is, is Russia behind any of the alleged "Downfall of America" and is Trump responsible? The answer is no. Trump is not responsible for the suicide epidemic and neither is Russia. America is doing fine and Russia is in a malaise. Trump's ACTIONS have been to seriously undercut Russia on its main export of natural gas to Germany. Hardly the act of a puppet or someone trying to bring about the downfall of America.

Do you even stop to consider whether any criticism of Trump makes sense or do you just blindly accept it because it's about Trump and negative, therefore it must be true?
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You wrote "things were fine".  You changed the subject.

"Do you even stop to consider whether any criticism of Korea makes sense or do you just blindly oppose it because it's about Korea and negative, therefore it must be true?" FIFY

Is Russia sowing discord in the US? Yes.

Are things getting better for the average citizen in the US thanks to trump? No.

My criticism is based on facts. Your support is not.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2622 on: June 03, 2019, 07:17:34 am »
What chu talkin' bout, Willis?

Trump admitted Russia helped him win, why can't you?

It's like Demartian is denying reality.  Denying the facts.  trump admitted Russia helped him.  In Finland, Putin admitted that he wanted trump to win.  There, done.  A country that hates America affected the outcome of the US elections and got elected a man, so out of his depth, he'll end up fukcing up America for decades to come.  Not only economically but also with relations with other countries.  A failed businessman is not listening to his advisors and is threatening other 'friends' because he's trying to change the news cycle as fast as possible.  it's incredible to watch, and you've got demartian there with his little MAGA hat on, cheering every disgraceful utterance and lie from trump's mouth.   really weird.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2623 on: June 03, 2019, 10:06:18 am »
The only discord in the U.S. sowed by Russia is by you dingbats who lap up the Russia hoax nonsense. You do realize that is part of the Russian strategy, right? They do things where they have 2 ways to win, no ways to lose. No matter who won the election, people were going to scream about Russia and that is good for Russia. Why? It doesn't matter if they actually influenced the election. What matters is the perception that they did. By going along with it, you strengthen Russia.

The alternative is to not be an idiot and don't be dumb and think 10s of thousands of voters in swing districts changed their votes from Bush to Obama to Trump because of a facebook post with a picture of Trump high-fiving Jesus that got 140 likes and 20 shares. That right there, that is how stupid people think. Only a stupid person would believe that is why people changed their votes. Are you stupid?

Or maybe accept that Hillary lost because she got tossed into the back of a van like a sack of potatoes. You know, something 320 million Americans and 7 billion people around the world saw?


  • NorthStar
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2624 on: June 03, 2019, 10:22:44 am »
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Or maybe accept that Hillary lost because she got tossed into the back of a van like a sack of potatoes. You know, something 320 million Americans and 7 billion people around the world saw?

Yup...


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2625 on: June 03, 2019, 10:25:28 am »
Are you stupid?

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“The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion,”

“favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.”

“expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts,”

“the social media campaign and the GRU hacking operations coincided with a series of contacts between Trump Campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government.”

“was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts.”

“the President engaged in a second phase of conduct, involving public attacks on the investigation, non-public efforts to control it, and efforts in both public and private to encourage witnesses not to cooperate with the investigation.”

“Many of the President’s acts directed at witnesses, including discouragement of cooperation with the government and suggestions of possible future pardons, occurred in public view.”

All facts from a legitimate two-year investigation.  Which begs the question, are you stupid?


  • NorthStar
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2626 on: June 03, 2019, 10:28:01 am »
So, why did Nobama allow it to happen, IF there was Russian interference? 


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2627 on: June 03, 2019, 10:42:29 am »
So, why did Nobama allow it to happen, IF there was Russian interference? 
Well, I assume the interference -- if there was any -- in the elections was clandestine. As in, they probably didn't ask the POTUS if it was okay to do so.

What was the timeline for the discovery of the Russian shenanigans, anyway? About a year after the fact, right?


  • thunderlips
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • June 07, 2012, 10:01:55 am
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2628 on: June 03, 2019, 10:47:10 am »
I'm calling it early. DNC nomiates Biden, Trump wins re-election. Dems still refuse to start impeachment proceedings. Bernie sits back and says "I told you so, .... again."


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2629 on: June 03, 2019, 10:55:14 am »
“The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion,”
No comment on effectiveness.

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“favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.”
Yes, and then later there were events like the rally Michael Moore attended that were anti-Trump.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/20/1743073/-Russian-to-Conclusions-If-a-Russian-Bot-Promotes-My-POV-Do-I-Now-Have-to-Oppose-it

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“expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts,”
Expected and DID are two entirely different questions.

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“the social media campaign and the GRU hacking operations coincided with a series of contacts between Trump Campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government.”
Correlation does not equal causation.

Legitimate investigation says...No evidence of collusion!


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2630 on: June 03, 2019, 11:04:03 am »
The only discord in the U.S. sowed by Russia is by you dingbats who lap up the Russia hoax nonsense. You do realize that is part of the Russian strategy, right? They do things where they have 2 ways to win, no ways to lose. No matter who won the election, people were going to scream about Russia and that is good for Russia. Why? It doesn't matter if they actually influenced the election. What matters is the perception that they did. By going along with it, you strengthen Russia.

The alternative is to not be an idiot and don't be dumb and think 10s of thousands of voters in swing districts changed their votes from Bush to Obama to Trump because of a facebook post with a picture of Trump high-fiving Jesus that got 140 likes and 20 shares. That right there, that is how stupid people think. Only a stupid person would believe that is why people changed their votes. Are you stupid?

Or maybe accept that Hillary lost because she got tossed into the back of a van like a sack of potatoes. You know, something 320 million Americans and 7 billion people around the world saw?
Against all the evidence, you persist with your outlandish arguments. Tell it to someone stupid enough to ignore all the real evidence and agree with the  bizarre and false examples you throw out there. Variations on a theme of prevarication.

"I didn't now she was nasty."

"I never called her nasty."


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2631 on: June 03, 2019, 11:08:45 am »
Against all the evidence, you persist with your outlandish arguments.
Outlandish is the idea that a modest facebook ad campaign where its big ads got 150 likes and 20 shares and was dwarfed by the other two campaigns was more influential than those campaigns and Hillary being tossed into the back of a van.


  • gogators!
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2632 on: June 03, 2019, 11:17:29 am »
Against all the evidence, you persist with your outlandish arguments.
Outlandish is the idea that a modest facebook ad campaign where its big ads got 150 likes and 20 shares and was dwarfed by the other two campaigns was more influential than those campaigns and Hillary being tossed into the back of a van.
It wasn't modest. Here's a small example:
"While most media attention has focused on Facebook pages appealing to the political right, the Russian effort aimed at black Americans was actually larger, reaching almost as many people. Of 81 Facebook pages created by the Internet Research Agency, 30 targeted African-American audiences, amassing 1.2 million followers, the report finds. By comparison, 25 pages targeted the political right and drew 1.4 million followers."

That's 2.6  million followers right there, and that's only part of the russki effort. While it's impossible to compute how many people they talked to about the ads, it could easily be tens of millions more.

Read the Mueller report and then take your "150 likes and 20 shares" and shove 'em where the sun don't shine.  Outlandish, indeed.


  • NorthStar
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    • July 05, 2017, 10:54:06 am
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  • NorthStar
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    • July 05, 2017, 10:54:06 am
    • Seoul
Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2634 on: June 03, 2019, 12:59:29 pm »
Obstruction?...of what? 

-An investigation fraudulently created by James Comey's felonious leaking of a private conversation with President Trump and a fake dossier put concocted by a British spy, from Russian sources and PAID FOR by HILLARY CLINTON  and the DNC?

Did Meuller say his investigation was obstructed or impeded?

Mueller is now free from testifying before Congress and answering embarrassing questions....

For example.."Mr. Meuller, at what point did you know that there was no collusion, and, why did you keep on going?"..

..(now, many would suggest that it should have ended on 2/16/18 when he indicted 12 Russians)...

..and/or..

"Mr. Meuller, why did you hire  a team of Democrat lawyers (not to the mention the one from the Clinton Foundation) ,and , have as your CD (chief deputy) someone who was at HRC's victory party (fail)?"


Ironic....while Mueller has smeared the President but not charged him, he has done the same thing Comey did to Hillary HRC.  BUT... that nasty piece is guilty of everything Comey said she wouldn't be charged with,...what is Trump guilty of?

Who knows?

I would not be surprised if all of this is a gaggle of monkey shines as a distraction from something bigger...and, the fear of being exposed is motivation enough for many folks there.

We can thank Maxine Waters (speaking of racist bigots) for opening her mouth on that, regarding Obama and his Organizing for America team of spies.  It used to be called "Organizing for Action"....https://barackobama.com/about/about-ofa?source=footer-nav

Ya'll can look into that..or not. 





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  • Adel
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    • January 30, 2015, 12:50:26 am
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2635 on: June 03, 2019, 02:07:24 pm »
Obstruction?...of what? 

Interfering with witness testimony among other thing.  Read the report.

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-An investigation fraudulently created by James Comey's felonious leaking of a private conversation with President Trump and a fake dossier put concocted by a British spy, from Russian sources and PAID FOR by HILLARY CLINTON  and the DNC?
No, the investigation predated the Steele dossier just  ask Papadopoulos. This  even Trump acknowledges.

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Did Meuller say his investigation was obstructed or impeded?

Read the report! He didn't conclude either way. He  detailed the evidence for Congress to judge.

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Mueller is now free from testifying before Congress and answering embarrassing questions....

For example.."Mr. Meuller, at what point did you know that there was no collusion, and, why did you keep on going?"..

There was plenty of evidence of collusion. Read the report. A lack of coordinated agreement meant it didn't  meet the requirements of a criminal conspiracy.  The " No Collusion" mantra is only a phrase uttered by Trump and idiots that consume too much Fox news.

You really are only succeeding in making yourself look foolishly informed by Sean Hannity and  Trump's incoherent twitter feed. Most of this is public knowledge now.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2636 on: June 03, 2019, 02:09:17 pm »
You really are only succeeding in making yourself look foolishly informed by Sean Hannity and  Trump's incoherent twitter feed. Most of this is public knowledge now.

All good points Adel.  But come on, he used a hannity.com link to make his point about trump.   :laugh:


  • NorthStar
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2637 on: June 03, 2019, 02:15:18 pm »
Well....two sides of the same coin I guess.


  • Adel
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2638 on: June 03, 2019, 06:14:26 pm »
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You really are only succeeding in making yourself look foolishly informed by Sean Hannity and  Trump's incoherent twitter feed.

And, you are just making yourself look like a snarky, pompous bitch.  Would you care to share what it is about Sean Hannity that is discrediting?  I don't really watch him much but I check in once in a while.  In case you did not notice, through all of your cherry picking, there were other sources and tidbits of info....have a gander. 

It's not my fault you can't read and choose to remain ignorant you thick c**t.


  • Adel
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2639 on: June 03, 2019, 06:51:43 pm »
How about you bring that attitude down here to  Busan....? 

Send me a PM...we'll talk about it.
If it's basic literacy classes you were after,  I can provide them via Skype. There would be no need for a 12 hour flight north to Busan. I could probably fit you you in the evenings for 50 bucks an hour. Of course you'd have to learn some manners before our classes could commence.