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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2600 on: May 24, 2019, 08:40:04 am »
Keep asking silly questions. It's a clear sign you're dodging and weaving.
The questions you're dodging and weaving... :laugh:

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"But the documents describe how investigators were learning of new and concerning actions, tying Trump's closest associates to powerful Russian interests, even after Trump was elected.

Mueller told a federal judge in 2017 that investigators believed Cohen's contact with foreign companies may have included an American investment firm linked to a well-connected Russian oligarch and a Kazakhstan-based bank that was entangled in a massive fraud scheme.
At the same time, Cohen maintained close relationships with key members of the Trump administration, including the President. In the search warrant application, prosecutors cited news reports about Cohen's efforts with a Russian-American businessman to craft a Russia-friendly "peace plan" for the Ukraine conflict and deliver it to the White House."

Sure sounds like collusion to me.
It didn't turn out to be collusion to investigators.


:laugh:  Could you  please cite where  the Mueller Report  supports this  BUL****T claim that you continue to make!    :laugh:

The problem with Demartian's Fox-addled brain is that he's quite happy with Barr's rubbish summary and the subsequent cover up of the report and trump's continued flip-flopping  lying about 'transparency' and stonewalling. 


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2601 on: May 24, 2019, 09:08:17 am »
Keep asking silly questions. It's a clear sign you're dodging and weaving.
The questions you're dodging and weaving... :laugh:

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"But the documents describe how investigators were learning of new and concerning actions, tying Trump's closest associates to powerful Russian interests, even after Trump was elected.

Mueller told a federal judge in 2017 that investigators believed Cohen's contact with foreign companies may have included an American investment firm linked to a well-connected Russian oligarch and a Kazakhstan-based bank that was entangled in a massive fraud scheme.
At the same time, Cohen maintained close relationships with key members of the Trump administration, including the President. In the search warrant application, prosecutors cited news reports about Cohen's efforts with a Russian-American businessman to craft a Russia-friendly "peace plan" for the Ukraine conflict and deliver it to the White House."

Sure sounds like collusion to me.
It didn't turn out to be collusion to investigators.


:laugh:  Could you  please cite where  the Mueller Report  supports this  BUL****T claim that you continue to make!    :laugh:

The problem with Demartian's Fox-addled brain is that he's quite happy with Barr's rubbish summary and the subsequent cover up of the report and trump's continued flip-flopping  lying about 'transparency' and stonewalling. 
Oh that letter that Barr doesn't even refer to  as a  summary  and that  Mueller complained "didn’t fully capture the context, nature and substance” of the special counsel’s investigation. 
Odd how Martini  doesn't realize what a fool he continues to make of himself.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5223906/robert-mueller-letter-william-barr-report/

https://www.politico.eu/article/mueller-complained-to-barr-about-russia-report-memo/
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2602 on: May 24, 2019, 11:47:29 am »
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Trump Gives Farmers $16 Billion in Aid Amid Prolonged China Trade War

Apart from the fact he's a terrible businessman, as well as a compulsive liar, he's really fukcing this one up.  Tariffs are paid for by the consumer.  This 16 billion will come from the tax payers, and with no end in sight to the trade war.  Also the lovely lovely tax break for the rich too.   trump has created this problem out of nothing and it's the average american people who are getting fukced. 



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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2603 on: May 25, 2019, 12:02:42 am »
Keep asking silly questions. It's a clear sign you're dodging and weaving.
The questions you're dodging and weaving... :laugh:

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"But the documents describe how investigators were learning of new and concerning actions, tying Trump's closest associates to powerful Russian interests, even after Trump was elected.

Mueller told a federal judge in 2017 that investigators believed Cohen's contact with foreign companies may have included an American investment firm linked to a well-connected Russian oligarch and a Kazakhstan-based bank that was entangled in a massive fraud scheme.
At the same time, Cohen maintained close relationships with key members of the Trump administration, including the President. In the search warrant application, prosecutors cited news reports about Cohen's efforts with a Russian-American businessman to craft a Russia-friendly "peace plan" for the Ukraine conflict and deliver it to the White House."

Sure sounds like collusion to me.
It didn't turn out to be collusion to investigators.

You do realize that pretty much any bank under the sun can have "ties to a Russian oligarch". And that term "Russian oligarch" is just tossed around without any context, right? The Brooklyn Nets have ties to a Russian oligarch. Does that mean Jay-Z and Michael Bloomberg colluded with Russia to move the Nets from New Jersey to New York?

Also, once Trump was elected, using go-betweens to craft a peace plan is called diplomacy, not collusion. Any peace plan still is subject to Congress, genius. JFK had a reporter meet a member of Russian intelligence to forge a peace plan during the Cuban Missile Crisis, was that collusion? No.
What does building a trump-branded building in Moscow have to do with peace?


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2604 on: May 25, 2019, 06:42:33 am »
Granted I'm a bit dense at times catching on to things but I simply can't escape the feeling of recognising a certain pattern that seems to have arisen  from these 'discussions'.

M&M says weird crap--> everyone starts trying to talk sense into him.

next day:

M&M says weird crap--> everyone starts trying to talk sense into him.

next day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43PBbdzP-B0
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2605 on: May 25, 2019, 11:19:11 am »
Forget the Russians. Trump is coming after  more allies like Australia  and Great Britain.   :laugh:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/australia-in-trump-s-sights-for-russia-hoax-investigation-20190525-p51r28.html


I wonder if Lexi Downer will face extradition along with Assange ?


Despite his stilettos, I wonder if  Trump realizes Downer was  a former leader of the Australian Liberal Party  who are actually more aligned with the Republicans politically.   :laugh:

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Mr Downer, who is now executive chairman of the International School of Government at King's College in London, said the theories spouted by Mr Papadopoulos are impossible.

"This sort of idea that there is a kind of a ASIS-ASIO-MI6-MI5-FBI-CIA-Ukrainian Government conspiracy to bring down the Trump administration, that this is treason, that I should be in Guantanamo Bay... I mean it's a little bit sad that people take that kind of thought seriously," he said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-24/mueller-investigation-george-papadopoulos-alexander-downer-speak/11107712

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2606 on: May 30, 2019, 11:42:55 am »
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“If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that,”

nuff said.  so Barr is a corrupt lying shit? 

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And I will close by reiterating the central allegation of our indictments — that there were multiple, systematic efforts to interference in our election. That allegation deserves the attention of every American.

and mitch mcconnell is blocking a bill to protect Russia's future interference in US elections? 

how much longer can this circus go on for? 


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2607 on: May 30, 2019, 12:46:58 pm »
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“If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that,”

nuff said.  so Barr is a corrupt lying shit?   
That sentence means nothing. It means they haven't 100% exonerated Trump and for what reason that is. I don't know.

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and mitch mcconnell is blocking a bill to protect Russia's future interference in US elections? 
What will the bill be? Are we going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to chase down a few Nigerians, Bulgarians, and Russians on facebook and twitter?

This is the 21st century. The entire world is interconnected by the internet. If you don't want every Tom, Dick, and Harry to be able to post whatever, then you need a system like Korea's where everyone has to register to post and have it all linked to your phone and your ID number and you have to have digital certificates and such. Given the way people bitch and moan about that here constantly, I doubt it would prove very popular back home. So you just have to accept that the entire world, from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe will be able to "interfere" in our elections and we in theirs. Either that or put up the Great Firewall of America.

Or we could do something like, I don't know, not interfere in Ukraine and Russia and their internal politics and reach some kind of detente? Nah, that's ridiculous. Better to spend billions of dollars on the equivalent of trying to stamp out torrenting and illegal streams.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2608 on: May 31, 2019, 03:34:32 am »
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“If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that,”

nuff said.  so Barr is a corrupt lying shit?   
That sentence means nothing. It means they haven't 100% exonerated Trump and for what reason that is. I don't know.

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and mitch mcconnell is blocking a bill to protect Russia's future interference in US elections? 
What will the bill be? Are we going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to chase down a few Nigerians, Bulgarians, and Russians on facebook and twitter?

This is the 21st century. The entire world is interconnected by the internet. If you don't want every Tom, Dick, and Harry to be able to post whatever, then you need a system like Korea's where everyone has to register to post and have it all linked to your phone and your ID number and you have to have digital certificates and such. Given the way people bitch and moan about that here constantly, I doubt it would prove very popular back home. So you just have to accept that the entire world, from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe will be able to "interfere" in our elections and we in theirs. Either that or put up the Great Firewall of America.

Or we could do something like, I don't know, not interfere in Ukraine and Russia and their internal politics and reach some kind of detente? Nah, that's ridiculous. Better to spend billions of dollars on the equivalent of trying to stamp out torrenting and illegal streams.
More lies and more excuse making.

Take your pick:
contemptible, despicable, miserable, pitiable, pitiful, sad, sorry, wretched, deplorable, discreditable, disgraceful, disreputable, ignominious, infamous, misbegotten, notorious, shameful, abhorrent, abominable, beastly, detestable, hateful, lousy, odious, stinking bad, inferior, lame, poor
disgusting, dishonorable, shameful, meritless, unworthy, worthless, scandalous, shocking, sordid, unsavory

They all pretty much fit your posts.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2609 on: May 31, 2019, 07:37:29 am »
What will the bill be? Are we going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to chase down a few Nigerians, Bulgarians, and Russians on facebook and twitter?

This is the 21st century. The entire world is interconnected by the internet. If you don't want every Tom, Dick, and Harry to be able to post whatever, then you need a system like Korea's where everyone has to register to post and have it all linked to your phone and your ID number and you have to have digital certificates and such. Given the way people bitch and moan about that here constantly, I doubt it would prove very popular back home. So you just have to accept that the entire world, from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe will be able to "interfere" in our elections and we in theirs. Either that or put up the Great Firewall of America.

Or we could do something like, I don't know, not interfere in Ukraine and Russia and their internal politics and reach some kind of detente? Nah, that's ridiculous. Better to spend billions of dollars on the equivalent of trying to stamp out torrenting and illegal streams.

what are you talking about?  there is no equivalence on any level with regards to the history, potential power gains, ruthlessness etc of Russia and Zimbabwe.  that is some ridiculous whataboutery.  Zimbabwe has never made it their aim to bring down America. 

Fact:  Russia beyond any doubt interfered on numerous occasions into the US election.
Fact:  trump's team welcomed this help.
Fact:  Putin wanted trump to win.
Fact:  trump has numerous business dealings/loans/debts with Russia.
Fact:  mcconnell is stopping a bill to stop this election meddling from happening again in 2020.

if you don't see any problem in those facts, then there is no helping you. 



Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2610 on: May 31, 2019, 09:44:12 am »
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President Trump on Thursday said he would impose a 5 percent tariff on all goods entering from Mexico unless it stopped the flow of illegal immigration to the United States, a dramatic escalation of his border threats that could have sweeping implications for both economies.

Trump, in a series of Twitter posts, said the import penalties would go into effect June 10. He added they would increase in size until all illegal immigration across the border halts, a scenario that has never occurred in modern U.S. history.

The 'don't look at me, look over there' circus continues.  Again, the tariffs are passed onto the people.  Again, there is no emergency at the border.   :rolleyes:


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2611 on: May 31, 2019, 09:51:27 am »
Take your pick:
contemptible, despicable, miserable, pitiable, pitiful, sad, sorry, wretched, deplorable, discreditable, disgraceful, disreputable, ignominious, infamous, misbegotten, notorious, shameful, abhorrent, abominable, beastly, detestable, hateful, lousy, odious, stinking bad, inferior, lame, poor
disgusting, dishonorable, shameful, meritless, unworthy, worthless, scandalous, shocking, sordid, unsavory
Congratulations, you have a decent vocabulary when it comes to adjectives. Round of applause.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2612 on: May 31, 2019, 09:54:07 am »
what are you talking about?  there is no equivalence on any level with regards to the history, potential power gains, ruthlessness etc of Russia and Zimbabwe.  that is some ridiculous whataboutery.  Zimbabwe has never made it their aim to bring down America. 

I don't think you really understood this quote and why the country "Zimbabwe" was selected. Maybe if you read more books, you might have better reading comprehension.

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So you just have to accept that the entire world, from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe will be able to "interfere" in our elections and we in theirs.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2613 on: May 31, 2019, 10:04:14 am »
what are you talking about?  there is no equivalence on any level with regards to the history, potential power gains, ruthlessness etc of Russia and Zimbabwe.  that is some ridiculous whataboutery.  Zimbabwe has never made it their aim to bring down America. 

I don't think you really understood this quote and why the country "Zimbabwe" was selected. Maybe if you read more books, you might have better reading comprehension.

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So you just have to accept that the entire world, from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe will be able to "interfere" in our elections and we in theirs.

oh boy.  at least it isn't 4am drunken posting from you again....   :rolleyes:

the point still stands.  no other country in the world has the history of wanting the downfall of America like Russia.  your boy is doing everything, or more correctly ignoring everything, to help this along.  you're just too enamored with trump to recognise it.   carry on.   


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2614 on: May 31, 2019, 10:16:11 am »
the point still stands.  no other country in the world has the history of wanting the downfall of America like Russia.  your boy is doing everything, or more correctly ignoring everything, to help this along.  you're just too enamored with trump to recognise it.   carry on.   
Dude, Russia has no effect on the "downfall of America". America is fine. It's doing great in fact. Russia? They're the ones with the crappy economy and long-term malaise.

How exactly is Trump helping this along and being Putin's puppet by selling natural gas to Germany, taking over for Russia?

Here is respected psychologist Gabor Mate talking about the phenomenon of Trump and Russiagate. Mate is no fan of Trump, but he correctly diagnoses why people latch on to this Russia stuff. He is being interviewed by his son, Aaron, who is a writer for The Nation. These are liberal voices talking about the issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR07OtEhKPE
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2615 on: May 31, 2019, 11:05:24 am »
the point still stands.  no other country in the world has the history of wanting the downfall of America like Russia.  your boy is doing everything, or more correctly ignoring everything, to help this along.  you're just too enamored with trump to recognise it.   carry on.   
Dude, Russia has no effect on the "downfall of America". America is fine. It's doing great in fact. Russia? They're the ones with the crappy economy and long-term malaise.

How exactly is Trump helping this along and being Putin's puppet by selling natural gas to Germany, taking over for Russia?

Here is respected psychologist Gabor Mate talking about the phenomenon of Trump and Russiagate. Mate is no fan of Trump, but he correctly diagnoses why people latch on to this Russia stuff. He is being interviewed by his son, Aaron, who is a writer for The Nation. These are liberal voices talking about the issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR07OtEhKPE
How about the suicide epidemic? How about the growing inequality? How about the lack of savings? How about 80% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck?

You call that doing fine?


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2616 on: May 31, 2019, 11:11:59 am »
How about the suicide epidemic? How about the growing inequality? How about the lack of savings? How about 80% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck?

You call that doing fine?
None of which is because of Trump or Putin.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2617 on: May 31, 2019, 10:03:03 pm »
How about the suicide epidemic? How about the growing inequality? How about the lack of savings? How about 80% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck?

You call that doing fine?
None of which is because of Trump or Putin.
You made a statement about things in the US were fine.  Why don't you just answer the question instead of changing the subject.

But RE putin, he and his agents have done a fine job of sowing discord in the US and are still at it, as is trump. So even your dodge misses the mark.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2618 on: May 31, 2019, 11:09:16 pm »
Trump 2020 please, I need more global instability for my short positions to work out well. :cheesy:
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2619 on: June 01, 2019, 09:33:27 am »
None of which is because of Trump or Putin.
You made a statement about things in the US were fine.  Why don't you just answer the question instead of changing the subject.
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The subject was Russia wanting the downfall of America and Trump helping this along. The question is, is Russia behind any of the alleged "Downfall of America" and is Trump responsible? The answer is no. Trump is not responsible for the suicide epidemic and neither is Russia. America is doing fine and Russia is in a malaise. Trump's ACTIONS have been to seriously undercut Russia on its main export of natural gas to Germany. Hardly the act of a puppet or someone trying to bring about the downfall of America.

Do you even stop to consider whether any criticism of Trump makes sense or do you just blindly accept it because it's about Trump and negative, therefore it must be true?