Quote from: Mr.DeMartino on May 24, 2019, 07:54:16 amQuote from: gogators! on May 24, 2019, 02:28:15 amKeep asking silly questions. It's a clear sign you're dodging and weaving. The questions you're dodging and weaving... Quote"But the documents describe how investigators were learning of new and concerning actions, tying Trump's closest associates to powerful Russian interests, even after Trump was elected.Mueller told a federal judge in 2017 that investigators believed Cohen's contact with foreign companies may have included an American investment firm linked to a well-connected Russian oligarch and a Kazakhstan-based bank that was entangled in a massive fraud scheme.At the same time, Cohen maintained close relationships with key members of the Trump administration, including the President. In the search warrant application, prosecutors cited news reports about Cohen's efforts with a Russian-American businessman to craft a Russia-friendly "peace plan" for the Ukraine conflict and deliver it to the White House."Sure sounds like collusion to me. It didn't turn out to be collusion to investigators. Could you please cite where the Mueller Report supports this BUL****T claim that you continue to make!
Quote from: gogators! on May 24, 2019, 02:28:15 amKeep asking silly questions. It's a clear sign you're dodging and weaving. The questions you're dodging and weaving... Quote"But the documents describe how investigators were learning of new and concerning actions, tying Trump's closest associates to powerful Russian interests, even after Trump was elected.Mueller told a federal judge in 2017 that investigators believed Cohen's contact with foreign companies may have included an American investment firm linked to a well-connected Russian oligarch and a Kazakhstan-based bank that was entangled in a massive fraud scheme.At the same time, Cohen maintained close relationships with key members of the Trump administration, including the President. In the search warrant application, prosecutors cited news reports about Cohen's efforts with a Russian-American businessman to craft a Russia-friendly "peace plan" for the Ukraine conflict and deliver it to the White House."Sure sounds like collusion to me. It didn't turn out to be collusion to investigators.
Keep asking silly questions. It's a clear sign you're dodging and weaving.
"But the documents describe how investigators were learning of new and concerning actions, tying Trump's closest associates to powerful Russian interests, even after Trump was elected.Mueller told a federal judge in 2017 that investigators believed Cohen's contact with foreign companies may have included an American investment firm linked to a well-connected Russian oligarch and a Kazakhstan-based bank that was entangled in a massive fraud scheme.At the same time, Cohen maintained close relationships with key members of the Trump administration, including the President. In the search warrant application, prosecutors cited news reports about Cohen's efforts with a Russian-American businessman to craft a Russia-friendly "peace plan" for the Ukraine conflict and deliver it to the White House."Sure sounds like collusion to me.
Quote from: Adel on May 24, 2019, 08:24:31 amQuote from: Mr.DeMartino on May 24, 2019, 07:54:16 amQuote from: gogators! on May 24, 2019, 02:28:15 amKeep asking silly questions. It's a clear sign you're dodging and weaving. The questions you're dodging and weaving... Quote"But the documents describe how investigators were learning of new and concerning actions, tying Trump's closest associates to powerful Russian interests, even after Trump was elected.Mueller told a federal judge in 2017 that investigators believed Cohen's contact with foreign companies may have included an American investment firm linked to a well-connected Russian oligarch and a Kazakhstan-based bank that was entangled in a massive fraud scheme.At the same time, Cohen maintained close relationships with key members of the Trump administration, including the President. In the search warrant application, prosecutors cited news reports about Cohen's efforts with a Russian-American businessman to craft a Russia-friendly "peace plan" for the Ukraine conflict and deliver it to the White House."Sure sounds like collusion to me. It didn't turn out to be collusion to investigators. Could you please cite where the Mueller Report supports this BUL****T claim that you continue to make! The problem with Demartian's Fox-addled brain is that he's quite happy with Barr's rubbish summary and the subsequent cover up of the report and trump's continued flip-flopping lying about 'transparency' and stonewalling.
Trump Gives Farmers $16 Billion in Aid Amid Prolonged China Trade War
Quote from: gogators! on May 24, 2019, 02:28:15 amKeep asking silly questions. It's a clear sign you're dodging and weaving. The questions you're dodging and weaving... Quote"But the documents describe how investigators were learning of new and concerning actions, tying Trump's closest associates to powerful Russian interests, even after Trump was elected.Mueller told a federal judge in 2017 that investigators believed Cohen's contact with foreign companies may have included an American investment firm linked to a well-connected Russian oligarch and a Kazakhstan-based bank that was entangled in a massive fraud scheme.At the same time, Cohen maintained close relationships with key members of the Trump administration, including the President. In the search warrant application, prosecutors cited news reports about Cohen's efforts with a Russian-American businessman to craft a Russia-friendly "peace plan" for the Ukraine conflict and deliver it to the White House."Sure sounds like collusion to me. It didn't turn out to be collusion to investigators.You do realize that pretty much any bank under the sun can have "ties to a Russian oligarch". And that term "Russian oligarch" is just tossed around without any context, right? The Brooklyn Nets have ties to a Russian oligarch. Does that mean Jay-Z and Michael Bloomberg colluded with Russia to move the Nets from New Jersey to New York? Also, once Trump was elected, using go-betweens to craft a peace plan is called diplomacy, not collusion. Any peace plan still is subject to Congress, genius. JFK had a reporter meet a member of Russian intelligence to forge a peace plan during the Cuban Missile Crisis, was that collusion? No.
Mr Downer, who is now executive chairman of the International School of Government at King's College in London, said the theories spouted by Mr Papadopoulos are impossible."This sort of idea that there is a kind of a ASIS-ASIO-MI6-MI5-FBI-CIA-Ukrainian Government conspiracy to bring down the Trump administration, that this is treason, that I should be in Guantanamo Bay... I mean it's a little bit sad that people take that kind of thought seriously," he said.
“If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that,”
And I will close by reiterating the central allegation of our indictments — that there were multiple, systematic efforts to interference in our election. That allegation deserves the attention of every American.
Quote“If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that,” nuff said. so Barr is a corrupt lying shit?
and mitch mcconnell is blocking a bill to protect Russia's future interference in US elections?
Quote from: Ronnie Omelettes on May 30, 2019, 11:42:55 amQuote“If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that,” nuff said. so Barr is a corrupt lying shit? That sentence means nothing. It means they haven't 100% exonerated Trump and for what reason that is. I don't know.Quoteand mitch mcconnell is blocking a bill to protect Russia's future interference in US elections? What will the bill be? Are we going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to chase down a few Nigerians, Bulgarians, and Russians on facebook and twitter?This is the 21st century. The entire world is interconnected by the internet. If you don't want every Tom, Dick, and Harry to be able to post whatever, then you need a system like Korea's where everyone has to register to post and have it all linked to your phone and your ID number and you have to have digital certificates and such. Given the way people bitch and moan about that here constantly, I doubt it would prove very popular back home. So you just have to accept that the entire world, from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe will be able to "interfere" in our elections and we in theirs. Either that or put up the Great Firewall of America. Or we could do something like, I don't know, not interfere in Ukraine and Russia and their internal politics and reach some kind of detente? Nah, that's ridiculous. Better to spend billions of dollars on the equivalent of trying to stamp out torrenting and illegal streams.
What will the bill be? Are we going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to chase down a few Nigerians, Bulgarians, and Russians on facebook and twitter?This is the 21st century. The entire world is interconnected by the internet. If you don't want every Tom, Dick, and Harry to be able to post whatever, then you need a system like Korea's where everyone has to register to post and have it all linked to your phone and your ID number and you have to have digital certificates and such. Given the way people bitch and moan about that here constantly, I doubt it would prove very popular back home. So you just have to accept that the entire world, from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe will be able to "interfere" in our elections and we in theirs. Either that or put up the Great Firewall of America. Or we could do something like, I don't know, not interfere in Ukraine and Russia and their internal politics and reach some kind of detente? Nah, that's ridiculous. Better to spend billions of dollars on the equivalent of trying to stamp out torrenting and illegal streams.
President Trump on Thursday said he would impose a 5 percent tariff on all goods entering from Mexico unless it stopped the flow of illegal immigration to the United States, a dramatic escalation of his border threats that could have sweeping implications for both economies.Trump, in a series of Twitter posts, said the import penalties would go into effect June 10. He added they would increase in size until all illegal immigration across the border halts, a scenario that has never occurred in modern U.S. history.
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what are you talking about? there is no equivalence on any level with regards to the history, potential power gains, ruthlessness etc of Russia and Zimbabwe. that is some ridiculous whataboutery. Zimbabwe has never made it their aim to bring down America.
So you just have to accept that the entire world, from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe will be able to "interfere" in our elections and we in theirs.
Quote from: Ronnie Omelettes on May 31, 2019, 07:37:29 amwhat are you talking about? there is no equivalence on any level with regards to the history, potential power gains, ruthlessness etc of Russia and Zimbabwe. that is some ridiculous whataboutery. Zimbabwe has never made it their aim to bring down America. I don't think you really understood this quote and why the country "Zimbabwe" was selected. Maybe if you read more books, you might have better reading comprehension. QuoteSo you just have to accept that the entire world, from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe will be able to "interfere" in our elections and we in theirs.
the point still stands. no other country in the world has the history of wanting the downfall of America like Russia. your boy is doing everything, or more correctly ignoring everything, to help this along. you're just too enamored with trump to recognise it. carry on.
Quote from: Ronnie Omelettes on May 31, 2019, 10:04:14 amthe point still stands. no other country in the world has the history of wanting the downfall of America like Russia. your boy is doing everything, or more correctly ignoring everything, to help this along. you're just too enamored with trump to recognise it. carry on. Dude, Russia has no effect on the "downfall of America". America is fine. It's doing great in fact. Russia? They're the ones with the crappy economy and long-term malaise. How exactly is Trump helping this along and being Putin's puppet by selling natural gas to Germany, taking over for Russia? Here is respected psychologist Gabor Mate talking about the phenomenon of Trump and Russiagate. Mate is no fan of Trump, but he correctly diagnoses why people latch on to this Russia stuff. He is being interviewed by his son, Aaron, who is a writer for The Nation. These are liberal voices talking about the issue.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR07OtEhKPE
How about the suicide epidemic? How about the growing inequality? How about the lack of savings? How about 80% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck? You call that doing fine?
Quote from: gogators! on May 31, 2019, 11:05:24 amHow about the suicide epidemic? How about the growing inequality? How about the lack of savings? How about 80% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck? You call that doing fine?None of which is because of Trump or Putin.
None of which is because of Trump or Putin.