Quote from: gogators! on May 22, 2019, 09:55:45 amThere are no serious questions. The only ones involved in anything treasonous were trump and his campaign staff. They were the ones involved with a foreign country to acquire intel on a political opponent.No, they weren't. The Steele dossier relied on sources from within Russia. This dossier was fed to Fusion GPS and Perkins-Cole, which fed it to the Clinton campaign and the FBI. Remember the Trump Tower meeting and the Russian lawyer? Immediately prior and after the meeting, she met with, wait for it...Glenn Simpson. This lawyer, who had previously been barred from entry into the U.S., was granted special dispensation to enter at the time of the meeting.
There are no serious questions. The only ones involved in anything treasonous were trump and his campaign staff. They were the ones involved with a foreign country to acquire intel on a political opponent.
You really need to stop mouthing Hannity's talking points. The origin of FBI's investigation was a tip off from Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat after Papadopoulos boasted about his Russian connections while drunk in a British Pub.
Steele is British and the fact that he collected evidence from Russians is like saying the Mueller Report was foreign interference because they spoke to Russians It's entirely normal for allied governments to co-operate in law enforcement and defense, particularly those who share defense and intelligence facilities. Before Trump came along the Russians were recognized universally as an adversary.
Before Trump came along the Russians were recognized universally as an adversary.
Quote from: Adel on May 22, 2019, 12:12:53 pmYou really need to stop mouthing Hannity's talking points. The origin of FBI's investigation was a tip off from Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat after Papadopoulos boasted about his Russian connections while drunk in a British Pub.No, the origin of them looking into Papadapolous is based on Mifsud. Mifsud has said his statements were wildly misconstrued. Furthermore, it was not Papadapolous and Downer that were the basis for the FISA warrants, it was Steele's discredited dossier.QuoteSteele is British and the fact that he collected evidence from Russians is like saying the Mueller Report was foreign interference because they spoke to Russians It's entirely normal for allied governments to co-operate in law enforcement and defense, particularly those who share defense and intelligence facilities. Before Trump came along the Russians were recognized universally as an adversary. Wrong, Steele is EX-British intelligence. He was working as a paid source as part of his own company. Furthermore, the FBI failed to do due diligence on his claims despite significant red flags and chose not to disclose those. If Trump did this to Biden's campaign, would you be okay with it?https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/412836-a-convenient-omission-trump-campaign-adviser-denied-collusion-to-fbi-sourcehttps://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/444884-christopher-steeles-nugget-of-fools-gold-was-easily-disproven-but-fbihttps://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/404275-what-professor-really-told-fbi-about-trump-russia-and-papadopouloshttps://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/03/11/trump-russia_20_dossier-tied_firm_sending_dc_journalists_daily_collusion_briefings.htmlhttps://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/04/11/fbi_mans_testimony_points_to_significant_wrongdoing_beyond_spying.htmlQuoteBefore Trump came along the Russians were recognized universally as an adversary. Obama "The 1980s Called"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IWe11RWOM
Quote from: gogators! on May 22, 2019, 09:55:45 amThere are no serious questions. The only ones involved in anything treasonous were trump and his campaign staff. They were the ones involved with a foreign country to acquire intel on a political opponent.No, they weren't. The Steele dossier relied on sources from within Russia. This dossier was fed to Fusion GPS and Perkins-Cole, which fed it to the Clinton campaign and the FBI. Remember the Trump Tower meeting and the Russian lawyer? Immediately prior and after the meeting, she met with, wait for it...Glenn Simpson. This lawyer, who had previously been barred from entry into the U.S., was granted special dispensation to enter at the time of the meeting. By your own standard, The Clinton campaign was involved with a foreign country to acquire intel on a political opponent.QuoteAs for Brennan, isn't that the type of realpolitik you normally espouse? Your man trump is all for torture and would not doubt lie about it. Thank you for admitting Brennan is a scumbag and should not be trusted.Now, being a scumbag who should not be trusted is probably a requirement for being the head of the CIA, but it does not help his credibility.
As for Brennan, isn't that the type of realpolitik you normally espouse? Your man trump is all for torture and would not doubt lie about it.
Donald Trump on Wednesday terminated a meeting with Democratic leaders after just a few minutes, saying he refuses to work with them on an infrastructure plan unless they stop investigating him and lift the threat of impeachment.Democrats quickly fired back, claiming that the US president had planned the stunt in advance and what happened at the White House would “make your jaw drop”.In a snap 10-minute press conference in the Rose Garden, just outside the Oval Office, Trump condemned the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, after she told reporters that he was “engaging in a cover-up”.“Instead of walking in happily into a meeting, I walk into, look at people that have just said that I was doing a cover-up,” Trump said. “I don’t do cover-ups. You people know that probably better than anybody.”In front of the presidential podium was a hastily erected sign showing special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election “by the numbers” and the words, relating to allegations of improper contact between the Trump campaign and the Russians: “No collusion. No obstruction.”
Now you're just out and out lying. I did in no way call Brennan a scumbag. Stop twisting my words, grand trumpian.
Quote from: gogators! on May 22, 2019, 08:26:56 pmNow you're just out and out lying. I did in no way call Brennan a scumbag. Stop twisting my words, grand trumpian.So a guy whose agency was responsible for thishttps://www.c-span.org/video/?c4579950/brennan-blatantly-lies-senatehttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/07/john-brennan-dishonesty-cia-director-nominationhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/31/cia-director-john-brennan-lied-senatehttp://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/james-clapper-changes-his-story-false-statements-congress-bulk-collectionThat doesn't constitute scumbag behavior? Thanks for clarifying! Do you trust these pushers (originators?) of the Russia hoax, men who have previously lied to Congress about spying on the American people? Why should they be trusted at all?
All of a sudden you have a problem with people lying and lying before congress but not the lair in chief presumably, What are your thoughts about an attorney general committing perjury and ignoring subpoenas to appear before congress? What are your thoughts on the liar in chief obstructing congress inline with obstructing justice ? You do realize this formed one the articles of impeachment against Nixon don't you?Perhaps you could post some more links that you haven't read
Now the criminal you;re supporting, that's a scumbag. Peas in a pod, you two.
Quote from: gogators! on May 23, 2019, 09:28:28 amNow the criminal you;re supporting, that's a scumbag. Peas in a pod, you two.You said nothing about Brennan. Do you trust him? Or can you admit that him and Clapper should not be trusted?
Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former attorney and fixer, exchanged hundreds of phone calls and text messages with Columbus Nova, the American financial firm tied to Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg, according to court document unsealed Wednesday.The communications began the day Donald Trump was elected and lasted for the next eight months, the document said.“Telephone records related to Cohen’s cellular telephone show that on or about November 8, 2016, the day of the presidential election, a telephone registered to Cohen exchanged the first in a series of text messages with the CEO of Columbus Nova, LLC,” the document said, referring to the company's chief executive officer.“Between approximately November 8, 2016 and July 14, 2017, telephone records showed over 230 telephone calls and 950 text messages were exchanged between Cohen’s cellular telephone and the CEO of Columbus Nova.”The document was among a total of five search warrant applications were unsealed by the order of a federal judge in Washington, D.C. on Wednesday at the request of news organizations. They show how federal prosecutors were initially suspicious of Cohen’s Russia contacts and possible violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), though ultimately those were not part of the charges that sent Cohen to prison for three years.FARA requires agents working on behalf of a foreign government "political or quasi-political capacity" to identify themselves as such and provide information relating to their activities and financing to the U.S. government.The feds were also curious, the documents show, about Columbus Nova’s payments of nearly a half million dollars to a consulting company that Cohen established.“The United States continues to investigate if any of the payments or financial relationships…were connected to Cohen’s involvement in the distribution of a plan to lift Russian sanctions,” the document said.
LOL.
NO collusion?!?
Quote from: gogators! on May 23, 2019, 07:07:38 pmLOL.Do you think Clapper and Brennan should be trusted, given their record of lying to Congress and violating the civil rights of Americans and spying on Congress?Quote from: gogators! on May 23, 2019, 07:08:11 pmNO collusion?!?And those messages were investigated and they clearly were not of a nature related to collusion. Is it illegal to talk to anyone from Russia? Does that automatically indicate collusion?
Keep asking silly questions. It's a clear sign you're dodging and weaving.
"But the documents describe how investigators were learning of new and concerning actions, tying Trump's closest associates to powerful Russian interests, even after Trump was elected.Mueller told a federal judge in 2017 that investigators believed Cohen's contact with foreign companies may have included an American investment firm linked to a well-connected Russian oligarch and a Kazakhstan-based bank that was entangled in a massive fraud scheme.At the same time, Cohen maintained close relationships with key members of the Trump administration, including the President. In the search warrant application, prosecutors cited news reports about Cohen's efforts with a Russian-American businessman to craft a Russia-friendly "peace plan" for the Ukraine conflict and deliver it to the White House."Sure sounds like collusion to me.
Quote from: gogators! on May 24, 2019, 02:28:15 amKeep asking silly questions. It's a clear sign you're dodging and weaving. The questions you're dodging and weaving... Quote"But the documents describe how investigators were learning of new and concerning actions, tying Trump's closest associates to powerful Russian interests, even after Trump was elected.Mueller told a federal judge in 2017 that investigators believed Cohen's contact with foreign companies may have included an American investment firm linked to a well-connected Russian oligarch and a Kazakhstan-based bank that was entangled in a massive fraud scheme.At the same time, Cohen maintained close relationships with key members of the Trump administration, including the President. In the search warrant application, prosecutors cited news reports about Cohen's efforts with a Russian-American businessman to craft a Russia-friendly "peace plan" for the Ukraine conflict and deliver it to the White House."Sure sounds like collusion to me. It didn't turn out to be collusion to investigators.
