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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2580 on: May 22, 2019, 12:12:53 pm »
There are no serious questions. The only ones involved in anything treasonous were trump and his campaign staff.  They were the ones involved with a foreign country  to acquire intel on a political opponent.
No, they weren't. The Steele dossier relied on sources from within Russia. This dossier was fed to Fusion GPS and Perkins-Cole, which fed it to the Clinton campaign and the FBI. Remember the Trump Tower meeting and the Russian lawyer? Immediately prior and after the meeting, she met with, wait for it...Glenn Simpson. This lawyer, who had previously been barred from entry into the U.S., was granted special dispensation to enter at the time of the meeting.

You really need to stop mouthing Hannity's talking points.  The origin of FBI's investigation was a tip off from Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat after Papadopoulos boasted about his Russian connections while drunk in a British Pub. Steele  is British and the fact that he collected evidence from Russians is like saying the Mueller Report was foreign interference because they spoke to Russians  It's entirely normal for allied governments to co-operate in law enforcement and defense, particularly those who share defense and intelligence facilities. Before Trump came along the  Russians were recognized universally as an adversary.   


 
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2581 on: May 22, 2019, 03:47:17 pm »
You really need to stop mouthing Hannity's talking points.  The origin of FBI's investigation was a tip off from Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat after Papadopoulos boasted about his Russian connections while drunk in a British Pub.
No, the origin of them looking into Papadapolous is based on Mifsud. Mifsud has said his statements were wildly misconstrued. Furthermore, it was not Papadapolous and Downer that were the basis for the FISA warrants, it was Steele's discredited dossier.

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Steele  is British and the fact that he collected evidence from Russians is like saying the Mueller Report was foreign interference because they spoke to Russians  It's entirely normal for allied governments to co-operate in law enforcement and defense, particularly those who share defense and intelligence facilities. Before Trump came along the  Russians were recognized universally as an adversary.   
Wrong, Steele is EX-British intelligence. He was working as a paid source as part of his own company. Furthermore, the FBI failed to do due diligence on his claims despite significant red flags and chose not to disclose those.

If Trump did this to Biden's campaign, would you be okay with it?

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/412836-a-convenient-omission-trump-campaign-adviser-denied-collusion-to-fbi-source
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/444884-christopher-steeles-nugget-of-fools-gold-was-easily-disproven-but-fbi
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/404275-what-professor-really-told-fbi-about-trump-russia-and-papadopoulos
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/03/11/trump-russia_20_dossier-tied_firm_sending_dc_journalists_daily_collusion_briefings.html
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/04/11/fbi_mans_testimony_points_to_significant_wrongdoing_beyond_spying.html

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Before Trump came along the  Russians were recognized universally as an adversary.   
Obama "The 1980s Called"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IWe11RWOM


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2582 on: May 22, 2019, 06:19:37 pm »
You really need to stop mouthing Hannity's talking points.  The origin of FBI's investigation was a tip off from Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat after Papadopoulos boasted about his Russian connections while drunk in a British Pub.
No, the origin of them looking into Papadapolous is based on Mifsud. Mifsud has said his statements were wildly misconstrued. Furthermore, it was not Papadapolous and Downer that were the basis for the FISA warrants, it was Steele's discredited dossier.

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Steele  is British and the fact that he collected evidence from Russians is like saying the Mueller Report was foreign interference because they spoke to Russians  It's entirely normal for allied governments to co-operate in law enforcement and defense, particularly those who share defense and intelligence facilities. Before Trump came along the  Russians were recognized universally as an adversary.   
Wrong, Steele is EX-British intelligence. He was working as a paid source as part of his own company. Furthermore, the FBI failed to do due diligence on his claims despite significant red flags and chose not to disclose those.

If Trump did this to Biden's campaign, would you be okay with it?

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/412836-a-convenient-omission-trump-campaign-adviser-denied-collusion-to-fbi-source
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/444884-christopher-steeles-nugget-of-fools-gold-was-easily-disproven-but-fbi
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/404275-what-professor-really-told-fbi-about-trump-russia-and-papadopoulos
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/03/11/trump-russia_20_dossier-tied_firm_sending_dc_journalists_daily_collusion_briefings.html
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/04/11/fbi_mans_testimony_points_to_significant_wrongdoing_beyond_spying.html

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Before Trump came along the  Russians were recognized universally as an adversary.   
Obama "The 1980s Called"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IWe11RWOM
Where to start?
Please go back and read your source material and you will realise it contradicts what you have just written.
It would be fair to say it is like  trying to argue with someone who is pre-literate if you were an honest broker but your track record indicates otherwise.

Ex-British  :laugh:  lol
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2583 on: May 22, 2019, 08:26:56 pm »
There are no serious questions. The only ones involved in anything treasonous were trump and his campaign staff.  They were the ones involved with a foreign country  to acquire intel on a political opponent.
No, they weren't. The Steele dossier relied on sources from within Russia. This dossier was fed to Fusion GPS and Perkins-Cole, which fed it to the Clinton campaign and the FBI. Remember the Trump Tower meeting and the Russian lawyer? Immediately prior and after the meeting, she met with, wait for it...Glenn Simpson. This lawyer, who had previously been barred from entry into the U.S., was granted special dispensation to enter at the time of the meeting.

By your own standard, The Clinton campaign was involved with a foreign country to acquire intel on a political opponent.

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As for Brennan, isn't that the type of realpolitik you normally espouse?  Your man trump is all for torture and would not doubt lie about it.
Thank you for admitting Brennan is a scumbag and should not be trusted.

Now, being a scumbag who should not be trusted is probably a requirement for being the head of the CIA, but it does not help his credibility.
Now you're just out and out lying.

I did in no way call Brennan a scumbag. Stop twisting my words, grand trumpian.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2584 on: May 23, 2019, 06:54:21 am »
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Donald Trump on Wednesday terminated a meeting with Democratic leaders after just a few minutes, saying he refuses to work with them on an infrastructure plan unless they stop investigating him and lift the threat of impeachment.

Democrats quickly fired back, claiming that the US president had planned the stunt in advance and what happened at the White House would “make your jaw drop”.

In a snap 10-minute press conference in the Rose Garden, just outside the Oval Office, Trump condemned the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, after she told reporters that he was “engaging in a cover-up”.

“Instead of walking in happily into a meeting, I walk into, look at people that have just said that I was doing a cover-up,” Trump said. “I don’t do cover-ups. You people know that probably better than anybody.”

In front of the presidential podium was a hastily erected sign showing special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election “by the numbers” and the words, relating to allegations of improper contact between the Trump campaign and the Russians: “No collusion. No obstruction.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/22/trump-democrats-infrastructure-meeting-impeachment-mueller-report

the guy is pure comedy hilarity, shame it's wasted on the US presidency.  wait until this gets painted as a 'it's good to walk away' ploy to get his way.  Democrats seem to be playing the long game here and as we know trump doesn't have the patience or intelligence to do that.   :laugh:


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2585 on: May 23, 2019, 07:46:26 am »
Now you're just out and out lying.

I did in no way call Brennan a scumbag. Stop twisting my words, grand trumpian.
So a guy whose agency was responsible for this
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4579950/brennan-blatantly-lies-senate
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/07/john-brennan-dishonesty-cia-director-nomination
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/31/cia-director-john-brennan-lied-senate
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/james-clapper-changes-his-story-false-statements-congress-bulk-collection

That doesn't constitute scumbag behavior? Thanks for clarifying! Do you trust these pushers (originators?) of the Russia hoax, men who have previously lied to Congress about spying on the American people? Why should they be trusted at all?


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2586 on: May 23, 2019, 08:49:35 am »
Now you're just out and out lying.

I did in no way call Brennan a scumbag. Stop twisting my words, grand trumpian.
So a guy whose agency was responsible for this
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4579950/brennan-blatantly-lies-senate
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/07/john-brennan-dishonesty-cia-director-nomination
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/31/cia-director-john-brennan-lied-senate
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/james-clapper-changes-his-story-false-statements-congress-bulk-collection

That doesn't constitute scumbag behavior? Thanks for clarifying! Do you trust these pushers (originators?) of the Russia hoax, men who have previously lied to Congress about spying on the American people? Why should they be trusted at all?

All of a sudden you have a problem with people lying and lying before congress but not the lair in chief presumably,   

What  are your  thoughts about an attorney general  committing perjury and ignoring subpoenas to appear before congress?
 
What are your thoughts   on the liar in chief obstructing congress inline with obstructing justice ?

You do realize this formed one the articles of impeachment  against Nixon don't you?

Perhaps you could post some more links that you haven't read    :laugh:
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2587 on: May 23, 2019, 09:00:58 am »
Jesus, people:

  How much longer are you going to keep flogging this dead horse...!

  I'm no fan of Trump, but it's time to STFU about this non-issue. The entire political system is corrupt, but the Democrats seem dead bent on committing collective suicide; can you say 'broken record'??


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2588 on: May 23, 2019, 09:02:13 am »
All of a sudden you have a problem with people lying and lying before congress but not the lair in chief presumably,   

What  are your  thoughts about an attorney general  committing perjury and ignoring subpoenas to appear before congress?
 
What are your thoughts   on the liar in chief obstructing congress inline with obstructing justice ?

You do realize this formed one the articles of impeachment  against Nixon don't you?

Perhaps you could post some more links that you haven't read    :laugh:

It's baffling it really is, the level that people will stoop to defending trump, like he is the victim here.  he acts all hurt when he thinks it'll benefit him and then he'll shamelessly attack people and lie constantly when he feels like it.  it's a disgrace to watch.  what is currently happening here is nothing short of ridiculous.  like I posted above, he walked out of the infrastructure meeting saying that he won't work with the Democrats while they have these investigations against him.  he wants them to drop these legitimate checks and balances in the constitution or he won't do anything?  seriously?  "getting ZERO work done in Congress."   :laugh:  the guy is pure gold.   


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2589 on: May 23, 2019, 09:08:30 am »
All of a sudden you have a problem with people lying and lying before congress but not the lair in chief presumably,   

What  are your  thoughts about an attorney general  committing perjury and ignoring subpoenas to appear before congress?
 
What are your thoughts   on the liar in chief obstructing congress inline with obstructing justice ?

You do realize this formed one the articles of impeachment  against Nixon don't you?

Perhaps you could post some more links that you haven't read    :laugh:
I think the question of whether Trump actually obstructed justice is up in the air, especially considering the illegitimate nature of the probe. It's one thing to obstruct an honest, but misguided investigation. It's another when there is strong suspicion that it is politically motivated and involved weaponizing of our intel and law enforcement agencies. In that case, the President would be acting in his capacity as commander-in-chief to essentially prevent an illegitimate coup attempt.

A lot of this rests on whether or not laws were broken in starting up this Trump-Russia stuff. If they were, and if people at the time had good reason to doubt the authenticity of the information but pressed on simply because they "didn't like Trump", then that is an incredibly serious matter.

Something stinks to high heaven in how this all began. The Democratic position has been reduced to "It wasn't spying because the FBI doesn't term secret surveillance it conducts as spying, even though it refers to secret surveillance by other parties as spying. Therefore spying did not occur." That's really disturbing.

You don't have to be on the right or a Trump fan to have questions about this. Plenty of people on the left do as well, because they care about principles first and party politics second. They think Trump is scum, but if you're going to get rid of him, get rid of him for the right reasons, not by bogus claims and because he was a threat to the establishment.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2590 on: May 23, 2019, 09:28:28 am »
Now you're just out and out lying.

I did in no way call Brennan a scumbag. Stop twisting my words, grand trumpian.
So a guy whose agency was responsible for this
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4579950/brennan-blatantly-lies-senate
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/07/john-brennan-dishonesty-cia-director-nomination
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/31/cia-director-john-brennan-lied-senate
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/james-clapper-changes-his-story-false-statements-congress-bulk-collection

That doesn't constitute scumbag behavior? Thanks for clarifying! Do you trust these pushers (originators?) of the Russia hoax, men who have previously lied to Congress about spying on the American people? Why should they be trusted at all?
It's not a hoax.

I certainly don't trust lying blowhards on internet forums. Isn't that scumbag behavior?

Now the criminal you;re supporting, that's a scumbag. Peas in a pod, you two.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2591 on: May 23, 2019, 11:08:38 am »
Now the criminal you;re supporting, that's a scumbag. Peas in a pod, you two.
You said nothing about Brennan. Do you trust him? Or can you admit that him and Clapper should not be trusted?


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2592 on: May 23, 2019, 04:12:11 pm »
Now the criminal you;re supporting, that's a scumbag. Peas in a pod, you two.
You said nothing about Brennan. Do you trust him? Or can you admit that him and Clapper should not be trusted?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2593 on: May 23, 2019, 07:07:38 pm »
Now the criminal you;re supporting, that's a scumbag. Peas in a pod, you two.
You said nothing about Brennan. Do you trust him? Or can you admit that him and Clapper should not be trusted?
LOL.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2594 on: May 23, 2019, 07:08:11 pm »
NO collusion?!?

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Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former attorney and fixer, exchanged hundreds of phone calls and text messages with Columbus Nova, the American financial firm tied to Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg, according to court document unsealed Wednesday.

The communications began the day Donald Trump was elected and lasted for the next eight months, the document said.

“Telephone records related to Cohen’s cellular telephone show that on or about November 8, 2016, the day of the presidential election, a telephone registered to Cohen exchanged the first in a series of text messages with the CEO of Columbus Nova, LLC,” the document said, referring to the company's chief executive officer.

“Between approximately November 8, 2016 and July 14, 2017, telephone records showed over 230 telephone calls and 950 text messages were exchanged between Cohen’s cellular telephone and the CEO of Columbus Nova.”

The document was among a total of five search warrant applications were unsealed by the order of a federal judge in Washington, D.C. on Wednesday at the request of news organizations. They show how federal prosecutors were initially suspicious of Cohen’s Russia contacts and possible violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), though ultimately those were not part of the charges that sent Cohen to prison for three years.

FARA requires agents working on behalf of a foreign government "political or quasi-political capacity" to identify themselves as such and provide information relating to their activities and financing to the U.S. government.

The feds were also curious, the documents show, about Columbus Nova’s payments of nearly a half million dollars to a consulting company that Cohen established.

“The United States continues to investigate if any of the payments or financial relationships…were connected to Cohen’s involvement in the distribution of a plan to lift Russian sanctions,” the document said.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2595 on: May 23, 2019, 10:32:16 pm »
LOL.
Do you think Clapper and Brennan should be trusted, given their record of lying to Congress and violating the civil rights of Americans and spying on Congress?

NO collusion?!?
And those messages were investigated and they clearly were not of a nature related to collusion.

Is it illegal to talk to anyone from Russia? Does that automatically indicate collusion?


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2596 on: May 24, 2019, 02:28:15 am »
LOL.
Do you think Clapper and Brennan should be trusted, given their record of lying to Congress and violating the civil rights of Americans and spying on Congress?

NO collusion?!?
And those messages were investigated and they clearly were not of a nature related to collusion.

Is it illegal to talk to anyone from Russia? Does that automatically indicate collusion?
Keep asking silly questions. It's a clear sign you're dodging and weaving.

"But the documents describe how investigators were learning of new and concerning actions, tying Trump's closest associates to powerful Russian interests, even after Trump was elected.

Mueller told a federal judge in 2017 that investigators believed Cohen's contact with foreign companies may have included an American investment firm linked to a well-connected Russian oligarch and a Kazakhstan-based bank that was entangled in a massive fraud scheme.
At the same time, Cohen maintained close relationships with key members of the Trump administration, including the President. In the search warrant application, prosecutors cited news reports about Cohen's efforts with a Russian-American businessman to craft a Russia-friendly "peace plan" for the Ukraine conflict and deliver it to the White House."

Sure sounds like collusion to me.

It's the DOJ's policy of not indicting a sitting president , not lack of evidence, that stopped trump from being charged with obstruction. That could well have included conspiracy if any the president's men and women had been smart enough to make it happen. Funnily, it's their incompetence that saved them.

And of course it shines the light of truth on your trumpian rantings about the deep state, etc.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2597 on: May 24, 2019, 03:59:43 am »
LOL.
Do you think Clapper and Brennan should be trusted, given their record of lying to Congress and violating the civil rights of Americans and spying on Congress?

NO collusion?!?
And those messages were investigated and they clearly were not of a nature related to collusion.

Is it illegal to talk to anyone from Russia? Does that automatically indicate collusion?

Your  still haven''t read the Muller report have you? :laugh:

Here it is.    https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf   






Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2598 on: May 24, 2019, 07:54:16 am »
Keep asking silly questions. It's a clear sign you're dodging and weaving.
The questions you're dodging and weaving... :laugh:

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"But the documents describe how investigators were learning of new and concerning actions, tying Trump's closest associates to powerful Russian interests, even after Trump was elected.

Mueller told a federal judge in 2017 that investigators believed Cohen's contact with foreign companies may have included an American investment firm linked to a well-connected Russian oligarch and a Kazakhstan-based bank that was entangled in a massive fraud scheme.
At the same time, Cohen maintained close relationships with key members of the Trump administration, including the President. In the search warrant application, prosecutors cited news reports about Cohen's efforts with a Russian-American businessman to craft a Russia-friendly "peace plan" for the Ukraine conflict and deliver it to the White House."

Sure sounds like collusion to me.
It didn't turn out to be collusion to investigators.

You do realize that pretty much any bank under the sun can have "ties to a Russian oligarch". And that term "Russian oligarch" is just tossed around without any context, right? The Brooklyn Nets have ties to a Russian oligarch. Does that mean Jay-Z and Michael Bloomberg colluded with Russia to move the Nets from New Jersey to New York?

Also, once Trump was elected, using go-betweens to craft a peace plan is called diplomacy, not collusion. Any peace plan still is subject to Congress, genius. JFK had a reporter meet a member of Russian intelligence to forge a peace plan during the Cuban Missile Crisis, was that collusion? No.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #2599 on: May 24, 2019, 08:24:31 am »
Keep asking silly questions. It's a clear sign you're dodging and weaving.
The questions you're dodging and weaving... :laugh:

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"But the documents describe how investigators were learning of new and concerning actions, tying Trump's closest associates to powerful Russian interests, even after Trump was elected.

Mueller told a federal judge in 2017 that investigators believed Cohen's contact with foreign companies may have included an American investment firm linked to a well-connected Russian oligarch and a Kazakhstan-based bank that was entangled in a massive fraud scheme.
At the same time, Cohen maintained close relationships with key members of the Trump administration, including the President. In the search warrant application, prosecutors cited news reports about Cohen's efforts with a Russian-American businessman to craft a Russia-friendly "peace plan" for the Ukraine conflict and deliver it to the White House."

Sure sounds like collusion to me.
It didn't turn out to be collusion to investigators.


:laugh:  Could you  please cite where  the Mueller Report  supports this  BUL****T claim that you continue to make!    :laugh:
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