I recently heard that the song "Baby, It's Cold Outside" has been banned by several radio stations because some SJW's were complaining the song is about date rape. There are endless opportunities to feel victimized.
Quote from: Mr.DeMartino on December 28, 2018, 12:57:11 pmI know I keep coming back to SJW stuff, but I do think that really is a big sticking point. There's just so many "outrage" moments and stuff like "Should Santa be male?" or "Boys can have periods too" or "Free Speech=White Supremacy" that people are just exasperated. My problem is I've never actual met one of those people. I only hear about the outrage and reactions. I'm not saying it's not out there, but I definitely think it's a vocal minority that gets blown way out of proportion by the media and people like you. Show me some stats and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong about it, but it hasn't been my experience online or in real life.
I know I keep coming back to SJW stuff, but I do think that really is a big sticking point. There's just so many "outrage" moments and stuff like "Should Santa be male?" or "Boys can have periods too" or "Free Speech=White Supremacy" that people are just exasperated.
Quote from: tylerthegloob on December 28, 2018, 01:13:35 pmQuote from: Mr.DeMartino on December 28, 2018, 12:57:11 pmI know I keep coming back to SJW stuff, but I do think that really is a big sticking point. There's just so many "outrage" moments and stuff like "Should Santa be male?" or "Boys can have periods too" or "Free Speech=White Supremacy" that people are just exasperated. My problem is I've never actual met one of those people. I only hear about the outrage and reactions. I'm not saying it's not out there, but I definitely think it's a vocal minority that gets blown way out of proportion by the media and people like you. Show me some stats and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong about it, but it hasn't been my experience online or in real life.There's no reason why you should have met any of 'these people', they mostly work in the media, government or academia. You only have to pick up certain newspapers to read about what they're up to though. If you work for a government organization, as I have, and you find yourself pressurized into attending voluntary diversity training, for example, then it starts having an impact on your life.
Quote from: eggieguffer on December 28, 2018, 02:03:41 pmQuote from: tylerthegloob on December 28, 2018, 01:13:35 pmQuote from: Mr.DeMartino on December 28, 2018, 12:57:11 pmI know I keep coming back to SJW stuff, but I do think that really is a big sticking point. There's just so many "outrage" moments and stuff like "Should Santa be male?" or "Boys can have periods too" or "Free Speech=White Supremacy" that people are just exasperated. My problem is I've never actual met one of those people. I only hear about the outrage and reactions. I'm not saying it's not out there, but I definitely think it's a vocal minority that gets blown way out of proportion by the media and people like you. Show me some stats and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong about it, but it hasn't been my experience online or in real life.There's no reason why you should have met any of 'these people', they mostly work in the media, government or academia. You only have to pick up certain newspapers to read about what they're up to though. If you work for a government organization, as I have, and you find yourself pressurized into attending voluntary diversity training, for example, then it starts having an impact on your life.But we were talking about regular people and your average liberal voter. Also, I spent a semester working for a (liberal) congressman and not once did I hear anything from any of the people that I worked with that would potentially spawn an "outrage" moment. We are talking about a very, very specific group of people that would claim something like "boys can have periods, too" <snip>
Quote from: eggieguffer on December 28, 2018, 02:03:41 pmQuote from: tylerthegloob on December 28, 2018, 01:13:35 pmQuote from: Mr.DeMartino on December 28, 2018, 12:57:11 pmI know I keep coming back to SJW stuff, but I do think that really is a big sticking point. There's just so many "outrage" moments and stuff like "Should Santa be male?" or "Boys can have periods too" or "Free Speech=White Supremacy" that people are just exasperated. My problem is I've never actual met one of those people. I only hear about the outrage and reactions. I'm not saying it's not out there, but I definitely think it's a vocal minority that gets blown way out of proportion by the media and people like you. Show me some stats and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong about it, but it hasn't been my experience online or in real life.There's no reason why you should have met any of 'these people', they mostly work in the media, government or academia. You only have to pick up certain newspapers to read about what they're up to though. If you work for a government organization, as I have, and you find yourself pressurized into attending voluntary diversity training, for example, then it starts having an impact on your life.But we were talking about regular people and your average liberal voter. Also, I spent a semester working for a (liberal) congressman and not once did I hear anything from any of the people that I worked with that would potentially spawn an "outrage" moment. We are talking about a very, very specific group of people that would claim something like "boys can have periods, too" vs. a very general group of people who would be outraged by that.
Made of straw, possibly ...
The congressman you worked for presumably had to get elected so wouldn't want to be involved in anything too extreme. It also depends on what you call an 'outrage moment' . I personally would be outraged at discriminatory hiring practises which go on all the time in government run organisations.
Quote from: Mr C on December 28, 2018, 02:28:18 pmMade of straw, possibly ...Feel free to elaborate.
"The cartoon character, voiced by white actor Hank Azaria, prompted heated debate in recent months after he was branded a racist caricature in a TV documentary, The Problem with Apu."https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2018/10/27/apu-dropped-simpsons-racism-row/The whole cartoon could be interpreted as a mockery of American life in general. Homer Simpson is a mockery of fat, balding working class man. Ned Flanders is a mockery of an evangelical Christian. But because a certain character speaks with an exaggerated Indian accent the cartoon is suddenly racist according to SJW's.
Quote from: tylerthegloob on December 28, 2018, 02:49:05 pmQuote from: Mr C on December 28, 2018, 02:28:18 pmMade of straw, possibly ...Feel free to elaborate.Oh, just suggesting that a lot of arguments supposedly put forth by SJWs and touchie-feelies are strawman arguments--the number of people that argue that boys can have periods too is vanishingly small.I was sort of discussing this last night over dinner, as it happens. Certain people keep proclaiming that the "left" wants to force you to say "Happy Holidays" so people don't micro-aggress all over other peoples' beliefs, sects, world views, what-have-you.But this isn't really the case at all. While it may or may not be woke to say HH, no one is insisting you say it their way--except of course the '"Merry Christmas" or go to hell!' crowd who think that acknowleding Hannukah and Kwaanza and whatever are somehow perpetrating a WAR on Christmas. Turns out, the Right is a bunch of snowflakes who want to control what other people say.Anyway, Happy Hols to alls!
Yes this is a good example as SJWs actually enacted change and got rid of the Apu character. So it's not just a vocal minority not having any real effect.
Or if I designed a poster for the Christmas party and someone told me to change the title to holidays party - again quite within the realm of possibility, it would be even more irritating. You see where this is going...
Quote from: eggieguffer on December 28, 2018, 03:05:41 pmYes this is a good example as SJWs actually enacted change and got rid of the Apu character. So it's not just a vocal minority not having any real effect. This is not a good example. How many people did you know (before the Apu documentary) that cared about Apu? How much did we hear about it? Not much all...One movie was released and all of a sudden people were lining up on all sides to argue about it. Suddenly, everyone had an opinion and the Simpsons people caved. Even when it was going on, I didn't see or hear much from people complaining about how racist Apu is. Did you? I did hear a lot from people complaining about the people complaining...edit: i never meant to say that the vocal minority has no effect, just that they are truly a minority (despite the fact that they are presented as more than that).Quote from: eggieguffer on December 28, 2018, 03:12:06 pmOr if I designed a poster for the Christmas party and someone told me to change the title to holidays party - again quite within the realm of possibility, it would be even more irritating. You see where this is going...Well if your work is having a holiday party and you want to pretend it's a Christmas party...
Quote from: tylerthegloob on December 28, 2018, 03:18:51 pmQuote from: eggieguffer on December 28, 2018, 03:05:41 pmYes this is a good example as SJWs actually enacted change and got rid of the Apu character. So it's not just a vocal minority not having any real effect. This is not a good example. How many people did you know (before the Apu documentary) that cared about Apu? How much did we hear about it? Not much all...One movie was released and all of a sudden people were lining up on all sides to argue about it. Suddenly, everyone had an opinion and the Simpsons people caved. Even when it was going on, I didn't see or hear much from people complaining about how racist Apu is. Did you? I did hear a lot from people complaining about the people complaining...edit: i never meant to say that the vocal minority has no effect, just that they are truly a minority (despite the fact that they are presented as more than that).Quote from: eggieguffer on December 28, 2018, 03:12:06 pmOr if I designed a poster for the Christmas party and someone told me to change the title to holidays party - again quite within the realm of possibility, it would be even more irritating. You see where this is going...Well if your work is having a holiday party and you want to pretend it's a Christmas party...Fine, they're truly a minority then, but if they can enact change, it's worth making a big noise abut what they're up to, isn't it.
Quote from: eggieguffer on December 28, 2018, 03:23:26 pmQuote from: tylerthegloob on December 28, 2018, 03:18:51 pmQuote from: eggieguffer on December 28, 2018, 03:05:41 pmYes this is a good example as SJWs actually enacted change and got rid of the Apu character. So it's not just a vocal minority not having any real effect. This is not a good example. How many people did you know (before the Apu documentary) that cared about Apu? How much did we hear about it? Not much all...One movie was released and all of a sudden people were lining up on all sides to argue about it. Suddenly, everyone had an opinion and the Simpsons people caved. Even when it was going on, I didn't see or hear much from people complaining about how racist Apu is. Did you? I did hear a lot from people complaining about the people complaining...edit: i never meant to say that the vocal minority has no effect, just that they are truly a minority (despite the fact that they are presented as more than that).Quote from: eggieguffer on December 28, 2018, 03:12:06 pmOr if I designed a poster for the Christmas party and someone told me to change the title to holidays party - again quite within the realm of possibility, it would be even more irritating. You see where this is going...Well if your work is having a holiday party and you want to pretend it's a Christmas party...Fine, they're truly a minority then, but if they can enact change, it's worth making a big noise abut what they're up to, isn't it.Sure, as long is we don't pretend every liberal is one of these people.
Quote from: Mr C on December 27, 2018, 03:25:29 pmJesus, I am so sick of your shit! Stop telling me I don't have a clue!I know perfectly well you have to take Pentagon/government esitimates with a grain of salt. What I know, and you obviously don't, is that while 15,000 ISIS may be an over-estimate, "ISIS is defeated" is a flat-out LIE.Of course, you know all about lies, right?Dude, when you say things like "I think I hnderstand what's going on in the Middle East because I read a Tom Friedman op-ed", what other word than clueless is there?
Jesus, I am so sick of your shit! Stop telling me I don't have a clue!I know perfectly well you have to take Pentagon/government esitimates with a grain of salt. What I know, and you obviously don't, is that while 15,000 ISIS may be an over-estimate, "ISIS is defeated" is a flat-out LIE.Of course, you know all about lies, right?
ISIS IS defeated in the sense that the Caliphate no longer exists to any significant degree and that no major settlement is under their control.
Having a different interpretation of "defeat" is NOT a lie. By rushing to declare everything a lie, you diminish the term.
Did we defeat Communism? Most people would say yes. But some people would say "Well there is still China, North Korea, Cuba, various other Latin American regimes that crop up, etc." Same with ISIS.
Mr. C stop calling everything you disagree with a lie. Calm down and consider an alternative way of looking at things. And stop labeling differences of interpretation or mistakes or errors or comedic exaggeration as LIES!!!!
Quote from: Mr C on December 28, 2018, 03:04:43 pmQuote from: tylerthegloob on December 28, 2018, 02:49:05 pmQuote from: Mr C on December 28, 2018, 02:28:18 pmMade of straw, possibly ...Feel free to elaborate.Oh, just suggesting that a lot of arguments supposedly put forth by SJWs and touchie-feelies are strawman arguments--the number of people that argue that boys can have periods too is vanishingly small.I was sort of discussing this last night over dinner, as it happens. Certain people keep proclaiming that the "left" wants to force you to say "Happy Holidays" so people don't micro-aggress all over other peoples' beliefs, sects, world views, what-have-you.But this isn't really the case at all. While it may or may not be woke to say HH, no one is insisting you say it their way--except of course the '"Merry Christmas" or go to hell!' crowd who think that acknowleding Hannukah and Kwaanza and whatever are somehow perpetrating a WAR on Christmas. Turns out, the Right is a bunch of snowflakes who want to control what other people say.Anyway, Happy Hols to alls!I don't like or see the point of 'happy holidays' and it irritates me mildly, but as long as no one objects to me saying 'Merry Christmas', that's fine they can say what they want.
However if I sent an email, for example, to everyone at work saying 'merry Christmas' and my boss told me not to, to avoid offending non Christians (quite within the realms of possibility) that would be slightly more irritating.
Yes, I do see. It's that people at work who you know and possibly like or who even like you have different religious preferences whose religions are celebrated at approximately the same time, and who have paid into the same office party fund as you, would like to have their beliefs acknowledged as well, so they want a poster that reflects a more inclusive message than just your personal religion.That's where this was going, right?...
QuoteYes, I do see. It's that people at work who you know and possibly like or who even like you have different religious preferences whose religions are celebrated at approximately the same time, and who have paid into the same office party fund as you, would like to have their beliefs acknowledged as well, so they want a poster that reflects a more inclusive message than just your personal religion.That's where this was going, right?...Do these non Christians who object to people using the term 'Christmas' or who want festivals to be more 'inclusive' actually exist? In the UK when they actually ask Muslims or Hindus etc..whether they object to terms like this, they don't give a crap. It's always the SJW types who are behind it all. It's the classic being offended on someone else's behalf.
It's a moot point anyway since the traditional UK office Christmas party is dying a death these days due to the meToo movement.
QuoteYes, I do see. It's that people at work who you know and possibly like or who even like you have different religious preferences whose religions are celebrated at approximately the same time, and who have paid into the same office party fund as you, would like to have their beliefs acknowledged as well, so they want a poster that reflects a more inclusive message than just your personal religion.That's where this was going, right?...Do these non Christians who object to people using the term 'Christmas' or who want festivals to be more 'inclusive' actually exist? In the UK when they actually ask Muslims or Hindus etc..whether they object to terms like this, they don't give a crap. It's always the SJW types who are behind it all. It's the classic being offended on someone else's behalf. It's a moot point anyway since the traditional UK office Christmas party is dying a death these days due to the meToo movement.