Trump gets criticized no matter what he does. Haters gonna hate.
ISIS was at near total defeat back in May. http://studies.aljazeera.net/en/reports/2018/05/100-percent-defeat-isis-ideology-180508042421376.htmlAlways take Pentagon estimates with a grain of salt. When they're fighting a war, they puff up casualty counts and reduced enemy strength. When it comes to pullouts or deployments, they always inflate the numbers to justify action and getting more men and resources. Duh. Anyone with a clue about how governments and the military work when it comes to budgets and estimates would know to take those numbers with a grain of salt.
I think this thread can be closed. There is an obvious answer to the question of "When will Trump be impeached?" The answer is, he won't. Period. Love him or hate him, he's not going to be impeached. This thread has died many, many times with no posts for days or weeks. Then some Troll decides to top-post bump it with some partisan hackery. Stop. Just stop. The boring drivel of the back-and-forth "debate" is so painful to read. I'm right and you're an idiot. No, I'm right and you're just brainwashed. On and on and on. STOP.
This thread has been going on for so long! I guess everyone is waiting for Trump to get impeached. Then there are his supporters, too. Who just can't comprehend arguments even when they are being proven wrong.
Quote from: Shreya_pandey on December 27, 2018, 03:45:09 pmThis thread has been going on for so long! I guess everyone is waiting for Trump to get impeached. Then there are his supporters, too. Who just can't comprehend arguments even when they are being proven wrong.The topic of this post was "When will Trump be impeached?"People have been wrong with their answers, but it's not Trump supporters.Since you're new to the debate, may I ask what in particular you cite as Trump's worst act and also what big point of debate the supporters were failing to comprehend?
Jesus, I am so sick of your shit! Stop telling me I don't have a clue!I know perfectly well you have to take Pentagon/government esitimates with a grain of salt. What I know, and you obviously don't, is that while 15,000 ISIS may be an over-estimate, "ISIS is defeated" is a flat-out LIE.Of course, you know all about lies, right?
dude... you are such a trump stan that you're fishing for an argument topic. this is some low level bait to a new person. we all know that no matter what this person responds with, you're going to disagree OR show that it's something that other politicians do all the time. what's your end game here? im genuinely curious. are you just here to enlighten the politically uneducated masses of waygook.org or what?
Quote from: tylerthegloob on December 28, 2018, 07:34:51 amdude... you are such a trump stan that you're fishing for an argument topic. this is some low level bait to a new person. we all know that no matter what this person responds with, you're going to disagree OR show that it's something that other politicians do all the time. what's your end game here? im genuinely curious. are you just here to enlighten the politically uneducated masses of waygook.org or what?I'm not so much a fan of Trump (I mean unlike othèr supporters here, I openly acknowledge his conman nature), as I am someone who1)Thinks SJWs are the worst and have caused the Dems to become paralyzed at best, unhinged at worst2)Thinks Trump's critics either go overboard or are just reflexive critics, and other sorts of Trump Derangment Syndrome. 3)Thinks Trump's conman techniques are rather obvious yet people here constantly fall for them. Take for example the misspellings. Classic attention getter technique used in branding and billboards everywhere. Most of Trump's critics think "He's stupid!!!". You do know it's a way for him to manipulate the news cycle, right? Or like the people who blindly regurgitate the Russian facebook ad crap. Anyone with half a brain can tell that isn't what affected things when one candidate was caught on camera collapsing and being thrown in a van at Ground Zero.Anyways, I love an argument but it's partially educational. Learn his tricks and stop underestimating him!
My experience on facebook is the exact opposite. I only usually lurk on there but every single political video, cartoon, humorous meme etc..posted on there is left wing and I've never seen anyone post anything against it. They probably wouldn't dare. That's the main reason why I start anti SJW arguments on here sometimes, as its anonymous and there's less danger of having friends disown me or losing my job.
I think anti-SJWs are the worst. There are people on the left side that start unnecessary arguments, but there are far more on the right who fan the flames (in my experience). On a daily basis, I see so much more reactionary stuff about liberals ruining Christmas (or some other asinine thing) than I see actual liberals advocating for that stuff (across social media and in real life interactions). For example, the vast majority of my friends on Facebook are fairly liberal or VERY liberal. I mean, you and many others would call these people radical leftists. However, the people who post the most about random nonsense are the conservatives I'm friends with. I think this site mirrors my experience on Facebook... Anyway, that's all beside the point...
You, in particular, spend much more time and energy on this site defending (or at least excusing) Trump than you do criticizing him. I get that you have this whole like centrist thing going on (or whatever you identify as), but it seems like you're just looking for an excuse to defend the man at this point.
Would I be wrong to say that you were ready to defend against whatever answer that new user responded with? I strongly suspect you were looking for another argument and specifically one in which you *ahem* "utterly destroy liberal phony with facts and logic."
Quote from: tylerthegloob on December 28, 2018, 09:30:51 amI think anti-SJWs are the worst. There are people on the left side that start unnecessary arguments, but there are far more on the right who fan the flames (in my experience). On a daily basis, I see so much more reactionary stuff about liberals ruining Christmas (or some other asinine thing) than I see actual liberals advocating for that stuff (across social media and in real life interactions). For example, the vast majority of my friends on Facebook are fairly liberal or VERY liberal. I mean, you and many others would call these people radical leftists. However, the people who post the most about random nonsense are the conservatives I'm friends with. I think this site mirrors my experience on Facebook... Anyway, that's all beside the point...To me it's a game, a contest, a diversion but it's also one of the best ways to evaluate truth.
Take this Syria pullout. Trump pulls out "OMG, he's ignoring the generals and doing Putin's bidding!!!!!". If Trump announced we were staying it would be "OMG endless war, Trump's doing Putin's bidding and helping Assad." If he sent in more troops it would be "OMG Trump's a warmonger and he's doing Putin's bidding!". Do you not see that happening? That defines Trump Derangement Syndrome when not only do you reflexively oppose the guy, but you believe that opposite actions would be the part of some sort of master plan conspiracy by a shadowy agent. If someone can't recognize that when presented with that and at least go "Okay, I need to be careful in my criticism of Trump", then I don't know what to say. But I think that's a significant percentage of the Trump opposition. Frankly, that constitutes borderline delusions, paranoia, and amounts to a shared mass hallucination. At least you have SOME people on the left who have their principles first and then see how Trump's actions match with those principles and criticize him at times and then defend him at others. We've seen it with Van Jones on prison reform, Glenn Greenwald on interventionism and Russia, Alan Dershowitz on the impeachment claims and the investigations, and others.
1) Framing the opposition to look bad is something that has always happened in politics. It's happening in a more insane way now because of our president's personality which has seeped into left and right politics. "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is just "what the opposition does when their guy isn't the president." It's just Red team vs Blue team stuff.
2) I think all we really disagree about here is you think more people on the left are delusional than I do. The argument that we've come back to several times over the last few months is that I don't think you give the average liberal enough credit. People who care about prison reform, like Van Jones (or Kim K), should defend any effort Trump makes that aligns with their goals. I guarantee if Trump came out in a strong way against the drug war, tons of average liberals would support that. It seems like you don't think they would. Are there people who are blindly anti-Trump? Sure (there are also people who are blindly pro-Trump and people who were blindly anti-Obama). But that's been the case for any president in our Red vs Blue style democracy.
I know I keep coming back to SJW stuff, but I do think that really is a big sticking point. There's just so many "outrage" moments and stuff like "Should Santa be male?" or "Boys can have periods too" or "Free Speech=White Supremacy" that people are just exasperated.