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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1880 on: June 11, 2018, 08:17:57 pm »
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The meeting’s central disagreements were over tariffs that Trump has imposed for false reasons. He claims that he’s merely responding to other countries. But the average current tariff of the United States, Britain, Germany and France is identical, according to the World Bank: 1.6 percent. Japan’s is 1.4 percent, and Canada’s is 0.8 percent. Yes, every country has a few objectionable tariffs, but they’re small — and the United States is not a victim here.

So Trump isn’t telling the truth about trade, much as he has lied about Barack Obama’s birthplace, his own position on the Iraq War, his inauguration crowd, voter fraud, the murder rate, Mexican immigrants, the Russia investigation, the Stormy Daniels hush money and several hundred other subjects. The tariffs aren’t a case of his identifying a real problem but describing it poorly. He is threatening the Atlantic alliance over a lie.

If you need more evidence, look at his tweets after leaving the summit. Close readers of Trump’s Twitter feed (and I don’t envy that title) have learned that he often accuses others of committing his own sins. On Saturday, he called Justin Trudeau, Canada’s prime minister, “very dishonest.”

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1881 on: June 12, 2018, 09:04:15 am »

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/10/justin-trudeau-donald-trump-tariffs-g7-north-korea-summit

I don't even know where to begin with this.  He arrives late for the summit, late for some of the meetings and then leaves early before the discussions about the environment.  Fob off all your allies, just so you don't 'lose face'.  How very Asian of him (and before Martin pops in with the 'saving face' thing, it started in China many moons ago).

Says it all.  This is what happens when a boy tries to play with adults.   :rolleyes:

Trump left early because he's trying to negotiate an end to one of the last vestiges of the Cold War. Something Germany could never do.

As for Germany, we helped rebuild the country and are footing the bill for their defense. We can renegotiate trade deals. What have they done exactly to help us out lately?

Also, nice job of making it racial. But Trump's the one using racist language.  :rolleyes:

I didn't say 'lose face', Kudlow did.  'Lose face' is an Asian creation, we went through this ages ago, Martin.  'Losing face' isn't a reason for a westerner agreeing on something with people and then ten minutes later, when you're not with those people, changing your mind, and even worse calling them 'weak' and having a go at them.  That's just shitty and childish.  International Relations 101, it is not.   

North Korea is only being met with because they have nuclear capability, which is a new thing, you knew that right?  South Korea, China, Sweden and Russia have all met with North Korean officials so far.  I'd be more worried from a 'deal' POV that China and Russia have already poked their heads in, if you're wanting to cite the Cold War.  Anyway, North Korea isn't threatening Germany, why should they try and have a meeting with them?  Bush, Clinton or Obama didn't meet with any of the Kims because they were of no threat, so actually meeting face-to-face with a bloody dictator would be a sign that you are legitimising the dictatorship.  North Korea, as they were of no threat, couldn't give anything to previous American presidents, hence there was no reason for meeting.  It's just a handy false threat for Trump to use to try and boost his zero popularity with the 'educated' and the nodding, whooping support of his 'poorly educated' base.  It'll be great propaganda for both of them, it's a shame and entirely understandable that Trump can't sit down with adults the same way he tries to sit down with dictators.

North Korea wasn't a threat under Bush/Obama? North Korea's first nuclear test was in 2006 and 4 more were conducted under Obama.

Nuclear weapons legitimizes North Korea, not meeting with them. That's just a dumb liberal talking point to try and poo-poo Trump. Obama's Iran deal didn't "legitimize" Iran. Iran was already legitimate by virtue of having a grip on power. We're not talking some rebel band in the hills.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1882 on: June 12, 2018, 10:29:38 pm »
Trump got snookered, as expected. Made concessions, recognized Kim and NK and got nothing but a photo op in return.

He got a lot less than the prior negotiations that he so criticized. As for human rights: Trump acknowledged that human rights in North Korea constituted a “rough situation,” but quickly added that “it’s rough in a lot of places, by the way.” (Note that a 2014 United Nations report stated that North Korean human rights violations do “not have any parallel in the contemporary world.”) "A lot of places," like the US if trump gets his way?

His praise of kim, coupled with this criticism of our allies, makes it look more and more like bone spurs belongs to putin. In fact, that's what merkel was telling trump in that now (in)famous photo:

"What's vladimir got on you? Tell us, and we can help."


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1883 on: June 15, 2018, 11:24:05 am »
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Sarah Sanders, the White House press secretary, invoked the Bible to defend the Trump administration’s immigration policy of separating mothers from their children.

She was speaking at Thursday’s White House briefing, in response to a question about comments made by the attorney general Jeff Sessions, where he cited a passage in the Bible to justify the policy.

“I would cite you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained them for the purpose of order,” said Sessions.

He added: “Orderly and lawful processes are good in themselves and protect the weak and lawful.”

Sanders was asked about Sessions’ statement, and was challenged: “Where does it say in the Bible that’s moral to take children away from mothers?”

Pushing back, Sanders said: “I’m not aware of the attorney general’s comments or what he would be referencing, [but] I can say that it is very biblical to enforce the law. That is repeated throughout the Bible.”

The policy of separating undocumented parents from their children at the border was announced by Sessions in May as part of a “zero-tolerance policy”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/14/sarah-sanders-bible-trump-immigration-border-policy

Hehe, ahhhh, ohhhhh, ouch!  Erm, oh dear. 

In other news...

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The attorney general of New York state sued the Donald J Trump charitable foundation, President Trump and three of his children on Thursday for violating state charity laws, alleging that the Trumps used charitable assets as “little more than a checkbook for payments to not-for-profits from Mr Trump” and his companies.

Foundation assets, acquired through tax-deductible donations, were used to settle legal claims against one of Trump’s golf clubs and to buy a painting of Trump to be displayed at another club, the suit alleges.

The lawsuit, filed by the attorney general, Barbara Underwood, on the morning of Trump’s 72nd birthday, seeks $2.8m in restitution and penalties from Trump and asks for the distribution of $1m in assets to other charities.

The lawsuit also seeks to dissolve the Trump Foundation and bar the Trumps from serving on the boards of any charitable organizations – Trump senior for 10 years and three of his children for one year.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/14/trump-charity-sued-latest-new-york-attorney-general-violations

It's just non-stop fun with this administration.
Don't forget the two Brits (both admitted liars) with ties to the Russian ambassador to the UK who were working with trump's campaign.
trump's cancellation of the US-SK military exercises ("They're a waste of money.") fits with his lifelong habit of not paying his debts. He never met a bill he wouldn't avoid at all costs.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1884 on: June 15, 2018, 12:03:22 pm »
His praise of kim, coupled with this criticism of our allies, makes it look more and more like bone spurs belongs to putin. In fact, that's what merkel was telling trump in that now (in)famous photo:

"What's vladimir got on you? Tell us, and we can help."

The concessions by both sides were largely symbolic. We can restart war exercises tomorrow.

"Trump gave Kim a photo op- that legitimizes him"
"Trump's photo de-legitimizes Trump as President!"

Do you think anyone is suddenly going "Trump/Kim got their photo taken with the other? That changes everything!"

Trump praises our allies all the time. You just have selective memory.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1885 on: June 15, 2018, 12:22:43 pm »
The concessions by both sides were largely symbolic...

"Trump gave Kim a photo op- that legitimizes him"

There was some nice video to come out of the exchange too.

whoops


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1886 on: June 15, 2018, 03:33:50 pm »
Yes, both sides did this, in spades.  The impoverished masses in North Korea saw their great leader 'shoulder or shoulder'  :undecided: with the American president.  The 'poorly educated' that Trump loves so much, now think they can 'sleep easier' at night.  It was great propaganda for both, thing is, the free press in the west, saw the meeting for what it was.

Funny, no one in Korea outside of some Saenuri die-hards is voicing this complaint. It's only the leftists who regurgitate leftist media that say this.

Abe is contemplating a meeting with Kim as well. Whatever you may think of Trump, if both Moon and Abe are looking at face-to-face talks, it probably means there's more to this than just a photo op.

Anyways, I think you're WAYYYYY overstating the impact of such an image. People who loved Trump would still love him regardless, same with Kim. And the haters didn't have their opinion changed either.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1887 on: June 15, 2018, 03:43:09 pm »
Yes, both sides did this, in spades.  The impoverished masses in North Korea saw their great leader 'shoulder or shoulder'  :undecided: with the American president.  The 'poorly educated' that Trump loves so much, now think they can 'sleep easier' at night.  It was great propaganda for both, thing is, the free press in the west, saw the meeting for what it was.

Funny, no one in Korea outside of some Saenuri die-hards is voicing this complaint. It's only the leftists who regurgitate leftist media that say this.

Abe is contemplating a meeting with Kim as well. Whatever you may think of Trump, if both Moon and Abe are looking at face-to-face talks, it probably means there's more to this than just a photo op.

Anyways, I think you're WAYYYYY overstating the impact of such an image. People who loved Trump would still love him regardless, same with Kim. And the haters didn't have their opinion changed either.

Do you admit if Obama had done this exact same thing, the right wing media and base would be absolutely flipping their lids? He would have been accused of and been called every name under sun. What Trump is getting now from the left, but x10.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1888 on: June 15, 2018, 11:12:04 pm »
His praise of kim, coupled with this criticism of our allies, makes it look more and more like bone spurs belongs to putin. In fact, that's what merkel was telling trump in that now (in)famous photo:

"What's vladimir got on you? Tell us, and we can help."

The concessions by both sides were largely symbolic. We can restart war exercises tomorrow.

"Trump gave Kim a photo op- that legitimizes him"
"Trump's photo de-legitimizes Trump as President!"

Do you think anyone is suddenly going "Trump/Kim got their photo taken with the other? That changes everything!"

Trump praises our allies all the time. You just have selective memory.
NK is getting around US sanctions as I post. They're setting up new dummy companies to evade the old sanctions that will operate with impunity because no new sanctions are being imposed to stop them.

That's how sanctions work.

When did russia become our ally?


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1889 on: June 15, 2018, 11:13:54 pm »
Yes, both sides did this, in spades.  The impoverished masses in North Korea saw their great leader 'shoulder or shoulder'  :undecided: with the American president.  The 'poorly educated' that Trump loves so much, now think they can 'sleep easier' at night.  It was great propaganda for both, thing is, the free press in the west, saw the meeting for what it was.

Funny, no one in Korea outside of some Saenuri die-hards is voicing this complaint. It's only the leftists who regurgitate leftist media that say this.

Abe is contemplating a meeting with Kim as well. Whatever you may think of Trump, if both Moon and Abe are looking at face-to-face talks, it probably means there's more to this than just a photo op.

Anyways, I think you're WAYYYYY overstating the impact of such an image. People who loved Trump would still love him regardless, same with Kim. And the haters didn't have their opinion changed either.

Do you admit if Obama had done this exact same thing, the right wing media and base would be absolutely flipping their lids? He would have been accused of and been called every name under sun. What Trump is getting now from the left, but x10.
Remember the outrage when Obama bowed in Japan?


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1890 on: June 16, 2018, 01:09:50 am »
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In Iowa, where farmers raise 40 to 50 million pigs annually, President Trump’s tariffs on steel and aluminum from Mexico have already cost producers $560 million, according to an Iowa State University economist. How can that be, you ask. Mexico has threatened countervailing tariffs that include a 20 percent tariff on American pork. That prospect alone sent hog prices tumbling. If you like barbecued ribs, this could be a great summer for you. If you raise the pigs, you may be eating more barbecued beans.

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Shortly after tariffs were announced, steel suppliers, no longer as fearful of price competition, began jacking up prices — they’re no fools. That has meant a 40 percent increase since January in the cost of steel for their customers who use it in their finished products, according to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. They can either pass that increase on to you or be less profitable.

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The story is the same with aluminum: Brewers are forecasting that they’ll pay $347.7 million more for aluminum cans. That has small craft-beer makers such as Melvin Brewing in Alpine, Wyo., which packages 75 percent of its products in cans, fretting about impending prices rises and the risks of passing them along to consumers. Try not to be bitter about it.


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Job losses from the metal tariffs alone could top 400,000, according to an analysis by Trade Partnership Worldwide, a nonpartisan consultancy that supports free trade. So while U.S. Steel can celebrate the restart of two  blast furnaces in Granite City, Ill., and bring back about 800 workers, 7,500 jobs will be lost elsewhere, the consultancy estimates.

Trade wars are easy to win???


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1891 on: June 16, 2018, 09:23:38 pm »
I didn’t know that you could be impeached for being late to a meeting  :rolleyes:

Impeachment is a political proceeding, so I would think dismantling the Western alliance could well be factored in.

That’s cute.
 Why is renegotiating unfair trade dismantling the western alliance ?

I’d lie to impeach you for stabbing the us in the back.


Anyone can implement tariffs if their surpluses are out of control.  It wasn’t written into gatt and it’s been annexed to the wto. 
Having an industrial policy is not hostile to our allies.   
You need to get in the right team and stop being treasonous.  I know freedom of speech and all but cool it Chomsky :rolleyes:
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1892 on: June 16, 2018, 11:37:29 pm »
I didn’t know that you could be impeached for being late to a meeting  :rolleyes:

Impeachment is a political proceeding, so I would think dismantling the Western alliance could well be factored in.

That’s cute.
 Why is renegotiating unfair trade dismantling the western alliance ?

I’d lie to impeach you for stabbing the us in the back.


Anyone can implement tariffs if their surpluses are out of control.  It wasn’t written into gatt and it’s been annexed to the wto. 
Having an industrial policy is not hostile to our allies.   
You need to get in the right team and stop being treasonous.  I know freedom of speech and all but cool it Chomsky :rolleyes:
You got the tense wrong, but points for honesty.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1893 on: June 17, 2018, 04:07:01 am »


I guess jail is a safer option than the possible consequences of cooperation with Mueller.



http://politicalblindspot.us/2017/03/24/star-witness-treason-trial-involving-trumps-campaign-chair-just-shot-dead/

Just an unlucky coincidence though.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/denis-voronenkov-paul-manafort/

Of course it's very difficult to prove such things. Why on earth would it be so difficult to find honest folk willing to cooperate?
« Last Edit: June 17, 2018, 04:19:23 am by Adel »


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1894 on: June 17, 2018, 06:21:17 am »
You got the tense wrong, but points for honesty.

Benefit if the doubt, he might have been drunk.


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1895 on: June 17, 2018, 06:58:09 am »
You got the tense wrong, but points for honesty.

Benefit if the doubt, he might have been drunk.

How is it much different from his usual dribble?
At times he makes that Russian troll Auratard seem comparatively lucid and sober.
Wasn't he just arguing the disagreement with Chump was tantamount to treason?


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1896 on: June 17, 2018, 07:07:20 am »
Putin is pulling the strings:

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#Russia's state TV:
Participants discuss @BuzzFeed report that Trump told G7 leaders "Crimea is Russian, because everyone who lives there speaks Russian." They interpret it as Trump's recognition of Crimea's status.
The hosts triumphantly declare: "Crimea is ours, Trump is ours!"

9:25 AM - Jun 15, 2018

You wanna talk about treason, jimbo?

Remember the crocodile tears trumpy cried for Otto?

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Reporter: You spoke passionately about the circumstances that led to Otto Warmbier's death. In same breath, you're defending Kim Jong Un's human rights records. How can you do that?

Trump: "You know why? Because I don't want to see a nuclear weapon destroy you and your family"

LOL.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1897 on: June 17, 2018, 08:08:18 am »
Wasn't he just arguing the disagreement with Chump was tantamount to treason?

Not sure. I’ve never been much for interpreting poetry.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1898 on: June 17, 2018, 08:32:39 am »
I guess jail is a safer option than the possible consequences of cooperation with Mueller.
You know this cuts both ways with the mysterious deaths that right-wing media whines and carries on about, right?

Putin is pulling the strings:
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#Russia's state TV:
Participants discuss @BuzzFeed report that Trump told G7 leaders "Crimea is Russian, because everyone who lives there speaks Russian." They interpret it as Trump's recognition of Crimea's status.
The hosts triumphantly declare: "Crimea is ours, Trump is ours!"

9:25 AM - Jun 15, 2018

Crimea is Russian and it's not going anywhere, much like Guantanamo Bay/Pearl Harbor for us, Gibraltar for the British, and Jerusalem for the Israelis. It's one of those places of significant strategic value that countries are willing to risk nuclear war over.


Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #1899 on: June 17, 2018, 08:33:55 am »

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Reporter: You spoke passionately about the circumstances that led to Otto Warmbier's death. In same breath, you're defending Kim Jong Un's human rights records. How can you do that?

Trump: "You know why? Because I don't want to see a nuclear weapon destroy you and your family"

LOL.

At some point you have to move on and work towards peace. If you spend the entire time insisting countries apologize for past actions, you are going to get nowhere.