Having watched the Republicans in Congress ever since this presidency began, I have to agree with you--the Republicans are not impartial. They have absolutely no sense of impartiality, decorum or anything close to a moral compass anymore. They seem virtually willing to destroy the DOJ and FBI in order to support this cretinous Cheeto.I'm not sure that's what you meant, though.
Quote from: Dave Stepz on May 23, 2018, 07:24:22 am If you can't see anything inherently and ethically wrong from those two examples then you're in need of help. 1. Your first example is trash. Adelson is part of a bipartisan lobbying system. Either both parties are wrong or neither is. 2. Have you ever stopped to wonder why these mass school shootings are taking place more and more in the 2000s? Malcolm Gladwell wrote about it and said that basically we're in a slow-motion riot since Columbine. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/thresholds-of-violenceAnd as I said, I think the media attention is the number 1 factor. Combine that with the widespread use of anti-psychotics and boom. And as the article shows- If it's not guns, they'll move on to bombs. Or trucks.
If you can't see anything inherently and ethically wrong from those two examples then you're in need of help.
Quote from: Mr C on May 23, 2018, 12:48:44 pmHaving watched the Republicans in Congress ever since this presidency began, I have to agree with you--the Republicans are not impartial. They have absolutely no sense of impartiality, decorum or anything close to a moral compass anymore. They seem virtually willing to destroy the DOJ and FBI in order to support this cretinous Cheeto.I'm not sure that's what you meant, though.Of course the Republicans are not impartial. Neither are the Democrats. But that does not address the NeoCon/Bushite Never-Trump element that still exists, especially in the unelected bureaucratic circles.And it remains to be seen how impartial the DoJ/FBI was when it comes to the Trump matter. Put it this way- If Obama/Clinton had the kind of contacts that Trump had, then Republicans would be screaming for an investigation. At the same time if a Bush/Trump presidency took the same kind of surveillance measures and played the same games with the press that occurred in the Trump campaign investigation, Democrats would cry foul.At this point there is nothing to suggest things are final one way or the other. I think we need to investigate the extent, if any, of the alleged Russian interference and the degree to which it was executed (without overhyping it), and at the same time investigate whether there were any elements in the DoJ/FBI/CIA that politicized their investigation in an attempt to favor one candidate over another.Manafort, Page, etc. do have an aura of sleaze, so it might well be that the investigation into them was justified, at least at a preliminary level. At the same time, we must also be cognizant of the fact that Trump was portrayed in rather catastrophic terms and its not unreasonable to assume that people in power might have overstepped their authority and deliberately attempted to sink or entrap his candidacy for political reasons due to him being, in their view, a unique threat to American democracy.
Late last week Donald Trump signed an executive order reversing an Obama-era policy requiring federal agencies to reduce energy use and greenhouse gas emissions, but you may not have heard about it because the White House waited until late into the night to release it.
The resolution of his clearances does not guarantee that Mr. Kushner faces no legal jeopardy. But Mark S. Zaid, a veteran Washington lawyer who handles security clearances, said it was highly unlikely that the special counsel would uncover evidence of improper foreign entanglements and not flag it for security officials.“If I were Jared Kushner, I’d be sighing a breath of relief today,” Mr. Zaid said.
’Jared Kushner Gets Security Clearance as He Tries to Move Past Mueller Inquiry’https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/us/politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=HomepageQuoteThe resolution of his clearances does not guarantee that Mr. Kushner faces no legal jeopardy. But Mark S. Zaid, a veteran Washington lawyer who handles security clearances, said it was highly unlikely that the special counsel would uncover evidence of improper foreign entanglements and not flag it for security officials.“If I were Jared Kushner, I’d be sighing a breath of relief today,” Mr. Zaid said.Note: This doesn’t suddenly make him exceedingly qualified to lead the world toward peace in the Middle East, or for any executive branch post, for that matter. It is surprising however. I thought for sure his hands were sullied.
"As I said"--no as ollie north, who's part of the Call of Duty franchise--what a hypocrite, which leads to birds of a feather, said. Please give credit where credit is due. Shouldn't a site frequented by educators be a no plagiarism zone?
If the FBI was politicized, why wouldn't they have leaked information damaging to the trump campaign? The only candidate hurt by the FBI was Clinton.Explain that.
It is surprising however. I thought for sure his hands were sullied.
Quote from: donovan on May 24, 2018, 06:58:15 am It is surprising however. I thought for sure his hands were sullied.Not surprising to anyone who released that there's been so much media hype and overhear that innocuous things are turned into major scandals because people out there have convinced themselves that Trump is the next Mussolini. This means that through confirmation bias, everything Trump's people does looks like it's fascist or corrupt or whatever, whether it truly is or not.Kushner just got a bipartisan Prison Reform bill pushed through the House with overwhelming support. Remember: This is the same media that convinces everyone back home every April that the sky is falling and North Korean stormtroppers are about to swarm Seoul. We all know they're full of crap then. Do you think they stop when it comes to Trump?
Quote from: gogators! on May 24, 2018, 01:23:01 am"As I said"--no as ollie north, who's part of the Call of Duty franchise--what a hypocrite, which leads to birds of a feather, said. Please give credit where credit is due. Shouldn't a site frequented by educators be a no plagiarism zone?It's not my fault you can't tell the difference between a phrase used to claim credit and a phrase used to reference a prior statement. QuoteIf the FBI was politicized, why wouldn't they have leaked information damaging to the trump campaign? The only candidate hurt by the FBI was Clinton.Explain that.Because Trump did nothing wrong. There wasn't anything to leak. Not anything that anyone could be charged with. Also, the FBI was convinced Clinton was going to win. Undoubtedly if some nugget of treason had passed by them, they would have revealed it.
Quote from: Mr.DeMartino on May 24, 2018, 09:40:14 amQuote from: donovan on May 24, 2018, 06:58:15 am It is surprising however. I thought for sure his hands were sullied.Not surprising to anyone who released that there's been so much media hype and overhear that innocuous things are turned into major scandals because people out there have convinced themselves that Trump is the next Mussolini. This means that through confirmation bias, everything Trump's people does looks like it's fascist or corrupt or whatever, whether it truly is or not.Kushner just got a bipartisan Prison Reform bill pushed through the House with overwhelming support. Remember: This is the same media that convinces everyone back home every April that the sky is falling and North Korean stormtroppers are about to swarm Seoul. We all know they're full of crap then. Do you think they stop when it comes to Trump?Just as an aside and a very important thing to remember:Martin has no idea what he's talking about. He is fumbling in the dark. Admittedly as we all are. But he tries to portray a deep understanding of the inside workings and machinations of state. He has as much idea as a random homeless person living under a bridge. Though he presents his ideas with bluster and confidence, they hold as much cachet as if they were smeared in fresh feces upon a truck stop bathroom wall.He also calls Kpop, kpip, due to some sort of beef he has with the industry.
Quote from: zola on May 24, 2018, 09:59:31 amQuote from: Mr.DeMartino on May 24, 2018, 09:40:14 amQuote from: donovan on May 24, 2018, 06:58:15 am It is surprising however. I thought for sure his hands were sullied.Not surprising to anyone who released that there's been so much media hype and overhear that innocuous things are turned into major scandals because people out there have convinced themselves that Trump is the next Mussolini. This means that through confirmation bias, everything Trump's people does looks like it's fascist or corrupt or whatever, whether it truly is or not.Kushner just got a bipartisan Prison Reform bill pushed through the House with overwhelming support. Remember: This is the same media that convinces everyone back home every April that the sky is falling and North Korean stormtroppers are about to swarm Seoul. We all know they're full of crap then. Do you think they stop when it comes to Trump?Just as an aside and a very important thing to remember:Martin has no idea what he's talking about. He is fumbling in the dark. Admittedly as we all are. But he tries to portray a deep understanding of the inside workings and machinations of state. He has as much idea as a random homeless person living under a bridge. Though he presents his ideas with bluster and confidence, they hold as much cachet as if they were smeared in fresh feces upon a truck stop bathroom wall.He also calls Kpop, kpip, due to some sort of beef he has with the industry.So if he were in the US and had access to guns, he'd be worth keeping a keen eye on?
Gators, you wouldn’t know genius if it detonated on your head. I am worried though...will this imperil his Nobel chances?
Quote from: donovan on May 25, 2018, 06:02:43 amGators, you wouldn’t know genius if it detonated on your head. I am worried though...will this imperil his Nobel chances?As I said, we shouldn't declare everything dead. Walkaways are a standard part of negotiations. Which do you think is a better negotiation over something serious?A) A negotiation where no one walks awayB) A negotiation where both sides at least threatened to walk away at some point or in fact did.If you think 'A', you're an idiot with no street smarts. Unless it's that rare 5% chance where the deal is instantly perfect for both sides, a no walk away means someone is getting played and one side is being led by someone who is weak-minded, which means trouble down the road. If people really mean to deal and keep their word, they haggle you down and they pour over every detail and fight for every inch. I'd be more nervous if nobody walked away.
QuoteLate last week Donald Trump signed an executive order reversing an Obama-era policy requiring federal agencies to reduce energy use and greenhouse gas emissions, but you may not have heard about it because the White House waited until late into the night to release it.If this guy had as big a hard-on for Stormy Daniels as he does for Obama he wouldn't have had to pay her $130,000.