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Title: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: ladyrhavyn on April 26, 2011, 10:26:59 am
Ok,

  Obviously we rant about our co-teachers. We scream, yell, threaten to walk away if we could, or would just like to tell them where - well you get the idea...

  But, if instead, we could write a book, telling our co-teachers, what we wish we could tell them, and what we want them to know? Things about constructive critisim, co-teaching, team teaching, communication, teaching styles, and ways, and culture, what would you tell them?

  Obviously we all have pet peeves, things we don't understand, things we know they don't understand, so for a moment, lets step off our complaining, angry soap boxes.

   What would you like your co-teacher to know and hear about what is like being a teacher here, that you would like them to know? I am sure we all have a list a mile long.

    Just a thought, WE know there are co-teachers on here, so why not offer some constructive, helpful critisim and advice from the NET point of view?
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: ladyrhavyn on April 26, 2011, 10:42:55 am
Dear Co-teacher,


  I know you think its rude to correct you in class, and you don't like it. Please do not do the same thing to me in a class. Its just as rude when you walk into my class in the afternoon and do it to me.

    I wish we would take the time to talk about our lessons before we walked in the room. You don't do this no matter how many times I have asked you. You always tell me you don't have time, and then get mad at me for not knowing whats going in class. I can't be an affective teacher if you don't talk to me about your lessons before hand so I know whats going on. This makes me look as clueless as the kids look and feel. I don't like this feeling. It frustrates me that you won't talk to me about your lessons and I don't understand why you keep them "secret" from me. I can't plan my lessons arounds yours if you don't tell me what your teaching.

  I understand your resentful about how much I get paid. I know it seems unfair to you. But I would like to be treated with the same respect you expect me to treat you with. I went to school just as long, I worked just as hard to get my degree. I also left all my friends, and family behind. Being here is not easy, and I don't have the support network of a family here that you do. If you were in a foreign country to teach Korean without anyone that you knew, the same may apply to you. Please treat me with resepct. Do not resent me because I speak English as my native language. Your National school system wanted me here, if they did not, I would not be here.

  I know appear frustrated nearly every day. Its hard to adjust. When people have a problem back home, we don't smile and just nothing. We tell each other, and are very straight forward, I can tell when there's a problem but you don't explain to me what I did, or what went wrong. This is frustrating to me, If you would just meet with me daily to talk about things, a lot of miscommunication that leads to frustration between us would not happen.

  Lastly, nothing is more frustrating to me, then to be asked to make lesson plans, and then we don't use them. I put a lot of work and effort into my planning, and I want to teach. I give them to you, but then you never read them, and most of the time I do not do anything in class but parrot. If you don't want to use my lesson plans, then please don't ask me to plan. Its frustrating to me also to have you look over my plans like a parent inspecting homework and demand why I am doing something, and critize it negatively when you don't like something. I know you need to see them, and  I am happy to explain, but it would be nice to take my feelings and thoughts into consideration when you are looking at them. It may look the same to you, but I am teaching what I think is best for the students. I want to them to succeed. That is why I try so hard to teach what I know in English.

  Thanks for listening to me,
  Perhaps things will work a little better from now.

 (Ok - thats my letter to a co-teacher, without using colorful words, and exclamation points). But - I think if I could tell her this and she would listen to me>? Things would be better - what I have written here, is the main points of what I have TRIED a zillion times to tell my co-teacher.
so - who knows - maybe my co-teacher is on here and will read all the things we want them to know - and thats my thoughts on it.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Yu_Bumsuk on April 26, 2011, 11:03:59 am
Dear CTs,

Thanks so much for not making me feel like so many of the PS teachers on waygook and Dave'$! In fact sometimes you and the rest of the staff and administration make me feel like our school is in a parallel universe where totally unnecessary Korean BS isn't the norm.

Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: DMZ on April 26, 2011, 11:07:33 am
Dear co-teacher

Thank you for getting all of my leave signed by the VP and Principal so that I don't have to run around  trying to find them.

Thank you for the cookies every morning (even though they add to my waistline)

Thank you for never giving me any stress

Thank you for ensuring I teach less than my 22 hours per week

Thank you for letting me know about things literally weeks in advance

Thank you for being my translator for everything

And many more! Absolutely not one complaint about my co teacher!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: jgroh on April 26, 2011, 11:12:06 am
Dear Co-teachers and co-workers.

For all the hard work you do, and the masses and masses of bureaucratic paperwork you must do, 조게타... (that's sarcasm).

Thanks for the conversations we get to have. Your English is a lot better than you realize. I can tell you've gained greatly in confidence over the past few months. I really really enjoy trading idioms with you every day. I teach you something in English, usually an idiom because you're English is pretty good. You teach me a basic Korean phrase.  My desk gets loaded with sticky notes, but I'm really happy to spend time talking with you all.

There are things that frustrate me at this school, but then I recognize this isn't my country, nor are they my rules. Nonetheless, I really love being here and I thank you for being so inviting.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: flasyb on April 26, 2011, 11:18:04 am
Thanks for letting me smoke your cigarettes every day (if I bring my own, I smoke more). I'll give you a few packs one of these days.

Thanks for helping me stay calm.

Thanks for taking me out drinking.

Thanks for playing badminton with me.

Thanks for immediately helping me with every problem I have.

Please do remember that I don't/can't use "cool messenger" so I miss a lot of what is going on in the school. I could do with a little more notice about things.

Small fries in the grand scheme of things. Thanks for everything!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: minamteacher on April 26, 2011, 11:32:36 am
Dear Co-teacher,

Thank you for all of the help you give me even when I don't ask. You rock!

MT

P.S. as for the OP, I am sorry that your co-worker and you cannot communicate. I can understand how frustrating it must be to plan lessons that are criticized then ignored.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: ladyrhavyn on April 26, 2011, 11:41:14 am
Laughs -  Got to love my typos today - 4 hours of sleep my fault - sorry everyone.

   I wish I could tell my co-teacher that I am sorry her principal is such an oppressive person.
The main reason my co-teacher and I have so many problems is that my principal is convinced that 1st graders can have fluent conversations, without learning vocabulary.

  Dear co-teacher,

   I am sorry that the principal puts so much pressure on you at school. Because of that pressure, it trickles down to me, and you have to tell me things that irk and frustrate me, but do not come from you. I know its not your fault.

   
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: eemneedah on April 26, 2011, 11:45:39 am
Dear Co-Teacher 1.

I wish you would realize how good your English is and how amazing it is that you get up every morning at 5:30am, despite having a husband and two children and drive yourself to the English institute for an hours tuition before school. I am younger than you, am not married and have no kids and I can't get my ass out of bed and have so much initiative like you do. Despite this you are still self conscious about your English and it shows such humility and modesty, because you are really so talented at learning languages! Thank you for recognizing without me telling you, that I am sensitive and 'artsy'. Thank you for confiding in me that you are too and understanding me and engaging your female intuition. Thank you for that beautiful book on philosophy you bought me, thinking I'd like it, and I did.

All my love you beautiful woman!

Dear co-teacher 2.

Gay people exist and are normal. Black people and anyone darker than pink are as wonderful, normal, fabulous and important as Koreans and Caucasians. You are a racist and I actually don't like you, but you will never know because I smile at you all day and have chosen to perceive your narrow minded bigotry as naivety. I also don't think it's my place to correct you because I respect that you are older than me and I am trying to observe your cultural norms. I also don't think you'd actually change.  But I will think it, and smile at you.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Ochodnid on April 26, 2011, 11:58:17 am
Dear Co-Teacher 1 and 2 -

You are both amazing women that make my life easier. I love and enjoy your classes. I look forward to actually teaching them.

Dear Co-Teacher 3 -

Stop staring at me like that and stop flirting with me, please. I do not like it. It is awkward at school and even more awkward, because three months later I find out you have a husband.

Dear Co-Teacher 4 - Stop using your galaxy tab 90% of the class period. Try actually doing something. Yelling, "Listen up!" or "Shut up!" once a class does not count.

Dear Co-Teacher 5 - Stop blaming me for something not working, it raining or you having a bad day. Try to smile for once and there is a thing called "humor."
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: SBracken on April 26, 2011, 01:15:00 pm
Dear CT 1:
I wish we could talk more, but I know you're crazy busy and I hope you realize that I know that as well. I don't expect anything more from you- please understand how much you have done for me already. I don't even mind that you rarely give me notice about changes. The only thing I would ask, beg even, is that you give me a straight answer when I do track you down to ask you a question. Please, please. I would beg. Thank you again, and I wish I could help ease your workload, hang tough!

Dear CT 2:
Please stop expecting me to be your personal English tutor. I like you and all, but it's a bit tiring, and in reality I'm here for the students, not you. I love our little conversations between class, but please stop asking me to take free periods all the time to create yet another brand new teachers' class just for you.
I appreciate that you come to class, but please either discipline, or leave. If you sit in the back and text, I feel like I can't discipline the students my own way. When you do provide the discipline though, a hundred thanks, because it also makes the class flow much more smoothly. Plus, I feel better knowing that you speak Korean and can tell if they're being productively disruptive (ie: asking a friend a question about class) or unproductively distructive (ie: being a brat).
Lastly, I wish you hadn't told the ENTIRE SCHOOL that I was surprised when I saw Korean chicken soup. Now everybody thinks I hate chicken, and tries to make sure I don't get any ever. I love chicken.

Dear CT 3:
You are wonderful! I never expected to have a CT so willing to experiement with new ideas in the classroom! You're so open to taking chances and giving me freedom to really teach these kids topics off the beaten path, and yet you always want to discuss and brainstorm with me as well, not just ditching me with the free reign. Your English is great, and thank you for telling me when I'm breaking Korean taboo, although next time, could you not do it in front of the whole cafeteria? Please?
I know I only see you once a week, but thank you also for making me tea. Every. Single. Week. Until I felt comfortable enough to use the office hot pot. I'm sure it was a pain and you felt like you were taking care of a child.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Paju Leigh on April 26, 2011, 01:46:33 pm
Dear CT,
I appreciate you in all the ways possible that a NET can. Thank you for being a wonderful person.
I know how you feel when you drag yourself out of bed at 6, make breakfast for your kids then drive all the way here. ( I do the same.)

I appreciate you getting hang overs and coming to school. You show me that you are human. And that it is ok to do so.

You help me get out of school volleyball matches ( we both hate the sport) You try and wrangle getting us both out of things that are ridiculous and stupid. Most of the time it works, but the other times I don't mind hiking up a mountain. You even do it in heels!

I appreciate the friendship we have, we are able to bitch about our husbands, other people etc and not feel guilty that either of us will tell someone.

I appreciate the fact that you do so much work, and I am more than happy to help you out if you give me things to do.

The only thing I would love more than all the above is a little bit more notice of events or important meetings that I must attend to than an hour or two.

Lots of love
Foreign teacher
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: ladyrhavyn on April 27, 2011, 04:02:25 pm
Dear co-teacher,

  I know your trying to be helpful, but could you warn me before an open class day a few days ahead of time? Especially if it is going to involve a private audience with the principal and vice principal?

  Telling me we'll talk about it tomorrow morning when we have straight block classes and all morning makes me wonder WHEN can we possibly talk about it? - Not cool. I would like a little warning, thats all.
   
   I do appreciate what you do. I know your job isn't easy. I wish we had more time to practice team teaching. I think it would solve a lot of situations in which miscommunication happens. I wish we had more time to meet so I could talk to you about what I am doing.

 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: WTEChesser on April 27, 2011, 04:46:15 pm
Dear CT,

I am glad you know how to use the words "your" and "you're" correctly. Could you please teach a few native English teachers how to use contractions?

Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: wafflebunny on April 27, 2011, 04:48:00 pm
Dear Head KT,

Seek psychiatric help. Please. I know you need it. You hate being a wife and mother. Just say it. Or at least you hate your controlling, arse hole of a husband.

Also, don't teach another child in your life. I know you will go to the US to study more but please don't ever teach again. Your teaching sucks. It's horrible. The children don't deserve it. Gogo the English dinosaur and the Busy Beavers are better teachers alone.

The fact you are the head co-teacher is an insult on the drunk staff at my ghetto school.

Dear other KTs,

You're cool. Thanks for making my life here better.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: infogoddess on April 27, 2011, 06:37:15 pm
Dear First Grade CT

Thank you for coming to class with your students.  You are a joy and I love how you really get into singing the songs with the kids.  You are the only co-teacher who comes to the English Classroom and I appreciate that because it means we can spend the whole time learning English instead of trying to herd cats.  I do wish you would ask me before you turn on/off the heat/aircon because I really know how I like the classroom to feel.

Dear Second Grade CT
Who are you?  Your children mysteriously appear at my door and we try to have a lesson but sometimes they are just too unruly.  I think you might be the Third Grade teacher from my first year here who spoke no English and only wanted me to parrot in the class when he talked.  You always seem too self-conscious to speak to me but I promise you that I don't bite and I love that pink sparkly tie you often wear to school.  I know you are a fun guy because when we get drunk on the teacher's trips you always make sure that I win a prize in the silly raffle.

Dear Third Grade CT
Who are you?  Are you one of the new teachers at my school? I think you might be the guy that loves to play volleyball and has two charming little girls who joined us on a recent teachers trip, but I'm really not sure.  Your kids are my favorite especially little Greg who is working so hard on learning English and beams every time he gets the answer right. I think if you came to class with the kids you might find out how much fun learning English can be.

Dear Fourth Grade CT
I really like the fact that you always bring your class to me and introduce them. I so enjoy our conversations after school and I know that you are very busy with your new duties this year.  I bet you would really enjoy my classes if you came to them.

Dear Fifth Grade CT
I think you are really interesting because we never have a conversation and never plan classes together but when we have the Monday class in your classroom somehow we effortlessly and seamlessly cover the material.  My only problem is that sometimes you are too ready to translate something instead of letting the kids figure it out. They really are able to do quite a bit and the figuring it out part is one of the best lessons that they can have. Your English is quite good and I know that you are proud of that.  Maybe we could sit down sometime and actually talk about what needs to go in the classroom and both learn from the experience.  I'm sorry that I let a NET at your other school, cloud my initial opinion of you.

Dear Sixth Grade CT
I like they way you torture the sixth grade by expecting them to actually learn vocabulary and grammar.  I know we never plan a lesson together but I appreciate it on Mondays when I come and visit your classroom that you stick around and seem to enjoy the powerpoints, games, handouts and additional material that I provide.  I know that your English is very good so maybe sometime we could actually sit down and talk about your expectations for Sixth Grade English because some days I really don't think I'm using my time effectively with these kids.

To all of my co-teachers - of course I would love to plan out a really solid curriculum with you but as you know I am only at your school two days a week and I teach almost every minute that I am there. Is there some way that we can talk or share information about what should be happening in the English classroom or does any of it really matter? 

sincerely

fiona teacher

ps - I really love the kids - well, except perhaps those two really mean girls in the 4th grade - and I think you would be surprised at how well they actually do in my class
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: eveliens on April 27, 2011, 07:53:27 pm
Things I'd like to tell the staff

Dear:

Ex-CT #1- You were flat out awesome. You were so kind and generous and helpful despite knowing that we'd only be working together for two months. I'm really glad that you were there to help me out during the rough transition. I also appreciate you welcoming me into your church and teaching me Korean. I enjoyed teaching class with you and the kids now love English because of our partnership.

Ex-CT #2- While I found you pleasant enough, I hope you're having more fun in your new town and with your sweet little baby. Being a mother suits you very well and both of your girls are adorable. Be happy to leave the stress of teaching behind you, even if its only temporary.

Ct #3- Its good that we get to talk but I think it'd be better if we had a solid game plan on how to work with your unruly class full of boys who are extremely naughty. While they are improving its still a task to teach them a measly three sentences. They are going to be in for a very rude awakening next year if we don't get this together. Also, thanks for not freaking out when the kids told you I jabbed a protractor through my wrist: it was obviously just another learning opportunity for the kids to use "be careful" "watch out" and "are you okay?" in a REAL situation. Don't worry, I don't plan to do it again. I know you're super busy, so I'm very grateful for your help with the bank and the doctor and all those silly things I can't seem to do by myself in Korea.

Ct #4: You scared me for the first month of school but now I can see it was just because your class was full of deviants and the VP was probably bearing down on you. I'm really pleased that your new class is so sweet; they're my favorites to teach. Teaching with you is so much nicer now that we're all relaxed. I am hoping you'll eventually start letting me bring in extra material because the songs from the book are terrible and the kids really LOVE singing and doing role-plays. Also, just because the kids improv a bit to ADD MORE lines... don't knock it because it's not perfectly in alignment of the book. More English is GOOD! And lastly, I love when you use phrases from the book is a perfect mimic and tell me good-bye. It really amuses me and touches me that you make the effort to use the little English you know.

CT #5- I know you're new and busy. And its a little awkward because you're a guy. But thank you for letting me run the class and helping me when I need it without pressuring me. Please don't translate everything though. The kids are on the ball and love puzzles. And it makes me to do a better job of getting the point across. You're wife is really nice and your baby is so cute. I hope the town treats you well.

CT #6- I SEE you. I KNOW you exist. You can speak to me when you are not drunk. I'm quite sure the army did not strip your ability to speak English. No, I'm not a guy and no I can't replace the previous NET but I would appreciate a little help in the classroom. Your kids are so apathetic its painful and I'm glad I only have a few of the good ones in my after school classes. I think if you had a better attitude about English they might too. I do have to say I'm flattered that you repeat everything I say in English; I hope its helping you out. But you'd learn a lot more if you spoke to me in a conversation at lunch once and awhile.

CT #7- Our teaching styles and personalities do not match at all. However, I think we're both trying to make the best of it. And its just one day a week. Please try to keep the resentment of coming to my little backwater school up on the mountain out of your demeanor-- the kids can sense it. I think you're a great teacher and I'm love that you branch out from the book. I'd really just think seeing what you're bringing to class in advance would help a lot so I don't sit looking stupid and bored the entire class. Also, please don't cut me off or step in front of me after requesting that I ask the class questions. Thanks.

Vice-principal- You are awesome. The school is much happier that you're here and I love your English/Korean lesson sessions and that fact you always feed me.

Cleaning lady- Thanks for not being afraid of me and greeting me every morning.

Nuna and Admin lady and After school helper- You make my job and life so much easier. Its difficult to be far from home and discipline kids that can pretend not to understand me. I love how a word or two from you or even just your presence makes my after school classes so much easier. I enjoy hearing about your kids and seeing the pictures on the phone and eating the Jeju chocolate you give me. You make staff dinners so much more fun for me when you get drunk and say you love me.

Nurse- I'm really not normally this sickness or accident prone, I promise. But I'm making you earn your paycheck at least. Your driving skills have really improved and I appreciate the escort to lunch every day and the occasional translation of the strange dish we are eating. There are times when I am really dubious of the content. "Vegetable" puts my mind and stomach at ease.

Admin guy- Thanks for being the handy man and paying my bills for me. I made it a little easier on you this month and did them myself. I wish you'd stop giving me the extra change though-- I really don't need anymore!

Lunch ladies- Mushrooms really do make me miserable, so I do notice when you avoid them or take them out or don't scold me for leaving them on my plate. I apologize for not doing a good job at eating the fish. Quite frankly, I think they're disgusting and too much work. Occasionally I just can't stomach the kimchi or those nasty leaves soaked in hot pepper... its not personal. Even if I don't finish my plate everyday, I acknowledge you ladies work very hard to provide a balance, healthy meal for the entire school.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: woman-king on April 27, 2011, 08:31:00 pm
Dear Co-Teacher,

Thanks for being one of the coolest women I've ever met in any country.  I'm not sure you're entirely happy here and sometimes I wish I could smuggle you back to my country--I really think you'd love it.  You're truly intelligent, open-minded, keep me informed on what's going, and I suspect you've done your homework on my home culture because I do notice the small but important efforts you make to be accomodating and understanding.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: sinkingmess on April 27, 2011, 11:44:26 pm
Dear Mr Kim

Please could you stop with the generalizations about my African heritage. Not all all Africans were blessed with good singing voices and being from Africa does not make me ever ready to dance whenever there's a beat. I think the comment you made about my frizzy hair was downright shallow and distasteful.

Hopefully you will become more informed about my culture through our interactions.

Thats All
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: infogoddess on April 28, 2011, 05:37:00 am
Cleaning lady- Thanks for not being afraid of me and greeting me every morning.


I have one like that too - she is always so cheerful and loves running the late-stayers out of the building - she once gave me a ride home when my ride forgot me - sweet lady
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: timberrynz on April 28, 2011, 06:31:14 am
My coteacher in one of my grades is lovely, so lovely it's difficult to protest against her, so, in a nice way I need to get something off my chest:

Dear Coteacher:

Please dont translate everything I say, this tends to reduce the efficacy of my lesson, when kids can simply turn to you without having to use any of the grey stuff between their ears  :)

Also, (and I am trying to not sound egotistical here) please don't correct me in front of the students. (As I do for you) Please delay any queries until the end of the lesson.

Thank you coteacher!!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: baechu on April 28, 2011, 07:38:43 am
I know some of you (the younger female coteachers) have hellish working conditions here, but I'm always proud and impressed that you wake up and come to work with a smile on your face every day. You're tough as nails.

Dear old male co-teachers, your English is pretty poor. Your egoes are huge. You are, for the most part, not good people. You perpetuate an ultraconservative (even by Korean standards) sexist hegemony in this school that I hate being a part of.

Couldn't have said it better!!!!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: mryogurt892 on April 28, 2011, 08:00:54 am
dear co-teacher

thanks for showing me how to teach, ive learned so much from you. Every student I ever teach for the rest of my life will be indirectly influenced by you.

Also thanks for sticking up for my contract rights against my vice- principle!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Flame Trees on April 28, 2011, 08:21:12 am
Dear co-teacher,
Thanks for dropping into the English room once a week to let me know what's going on.  You're also the music and science teacher, and have a homeroom class, so I know you're very busy.  (Not sarcasm) 

Also, thanks for going into bat for me when the principal refused me holidays (to go to my brother's wedding) because it would 'damage the students' if I was away for 2 weeks.  Sorry I threatened to quit, I was upset :)

Thanks for bringing your smartphone when you visit the English room, so you can look up words to help you explain stuff.  You haven't been an 'English teacher' (foreigner wrangler) before, so thanks for trying :) 
In return, I will not make jokes about you being named 'Mr Song' when you're a music teacher  :D

Dear To my former co-teacher at my old middle-school, who was the reason I changed schools and hated Korea,

You're the worst teacher in the history of education.  You wouldn't know English if it forced itself suddenly up your rear.  You are unprofessional, nasty, passive aggressive, and a liar. 
You made fun of me to, and shared personal info from my medical check with, the students and teachers.
You slagged-off the former native teacher when you know he's a good mate of mine. 
You beat the students as a substitute for actually doing your job.  That one kid whose head you cut open will definitely remember you.
I'm sure the only reason you still have a job is that you have friends in high places and compromising photos of them.  Go DIAF.

Also, give up on all the creepy flirting, those second- and third-grade girls aren't going to give it up for you.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: wafflebunny on April 28, 2011, 09:10:21 am
Dear Mr Kim

Please could you stop with the generalizations about my African heritage. Not all all Africans were blessed with good singing voices and being from Africa does not make me ever ready to dance whenever there's a beat. I think the comment you made about my frizzy hair was downright shallow and distasteful.

Hopefully you will become more informed about my culture through our interactions.

Thats All

Amen. I'm sick of the fun poked at us Black people. It's stupid. We exist and we're human. They need to get over it.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Shinsegae on April 28, 2011, 09:15:49 am
Dear CT 1
you made my life in Korea great, being the same age really helped us get on well i guess. your English got really good too. thanks for doing everything for me even helping me research bus routes when i moved to another school in another city.  You were GREAT and any other NET will be really lucky to have you as a co-teacher.
Dear CT 2,3,4
Thanks for being nice and taking care of me and treating me to meals now and then
Dear CT 5
I really enjoyed having you as  a co-teacher, the lessons were a little dull for me as your English is great so i didn't have much to do in class but you're a great person and friend and being able to talk to you at school was one of the best parts of my day.
Dear CT 6
Put bluntly...i don't like you one bit. you're rude, lazy and a all round bad person. i think your English inst good enough to teach "speaking" as  i struggle to understand you...so please let your future NET do that job.
Nevertheless i smiled at you and and say hello, knowing it is the polite thing to do while think this on the inside alone.
Dear new co-teachers at my new school
You all seem nice so far and I'm looking forward to working with you and i really hope that we can maintain a strong and professional relationship throughout the coming year.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: WorkingTitle3484 on April 28, 2011, 09:32:21 am
Mr. K - You're awesome.  I remember the way walked around Gyeongju, holding hands in the springtime, while cherry blossom petals drifted carelessly around us.  Thank you for regulating those kids last week when you were out.  You're a wonderful CoT.  Our system of CoTeaching is wonderful and it's the dream that MOE had in mind.

Mr. L #1 - You scare the hell out of the kids, thanks much.  Strict, but fair.  You back me up and are a stern presence in the classroom. 

Mr. L #2 - You're sweet.  I caught you a couple of times sleeping in my class, but it's OK, I know you're busy.  I'd like for us to focus more on English- only instruction, because I know the kids are able to understand instructions.

Miss L - You really don't need that microphone.  Your voice carries so well!  Thank you for being there for me, you're a lovely person and an even better teacher.

Miss Y - You're awesome as well.  I wish our relationship was a lil stronger, but I  appreciate what we have.  You helped me out when I thought the Korean world hated me, and now I understand it's just a cultural difference.  I wish we could meet together more to discuss a more effective lesson, but I get that the brunt of the work is falling on  you because you're the youngest. I think you should hang out with Mr. L#1 , so you can terrify the kids a bit more.  I'm sorry your plant is dying.

Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: rogue85 on April 28, 2011, 09:37:00 am
Dear Co-T 1: Thank you for being so professional and at the same time so much fun. Thank you for teaching me how to teach and for being so patient with me. Thank you for all your help.

Dear Co-T 2: Thank you for making me laugh so much every time we have lessons together. Please speak more English in our classes together. I cannot understand what you are saying to the students and don't know what I am meant to do half the time. Otherwise though, you're a peach  ;)

Dear Co-T 3: You are absolutely amazing!!!! You are so intelligent and very much a breath of fresh air. Thank you for all your help with so many different things and thank you for all our awesome chats. Also, thank you for teaching me so many things about Korea and its' culture.

Dear Co-T 4: I love how you laugh so much at the things I do in class   :D It creates a fantastic atmosphere and I thoroughly enjoy teaching with you. Also, thank you for being my translator in the staff room when I am having a converstaion with someone who doesn't speak English.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: tyl6r on April 28, 2011, 09:46:38 am
ct 1 - thanks for being so open minded, and listening when i asked you not to translate word-for-word to the students!

ct 2 - thank you for realizing we should be teaching classes strictly in english (except when absolutely necessary)! we are a killer team, and our students are progressing like mad!

ct 3 - you're awesome! thanks for helping me out with all my random business, for being honest, and for instituting a true co-teaching environment!

ct 4 - stop asking me to do random, menial tasks.  sometimes I wear headphones with no music playing just so you'll stop interrupting my work every ten minutes with another question about the idiosyncrasies of English grammar.

i know are starved for attention, but the students are here to learn english, not listen to you lecture in korean for 40 minute blocks, without a single word of English uttered.  Stop hijacking my classes when you deign to give me a chance to teach.  these kids understand more English than you think, if you give them a chance and stop translating every word into Korean, they might actually stand a chance to improve.

Thanks ct 1-3, you're awesome!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Amerz100 on April 28, 2011, 11:08:57 am
I want to tell my co teacher how cute she is ...... wearing a headband....

.... and then lay it down all the things that are frustrating....

1. If you are going to cancel a lesson ...tell me in advance ...not 2 mins in advance ..... maybe an hour or better still a day in advance.

2. keep me in the know-how of the schools schedule ... so that I can make plans around that.

3. If anything at all relates to me ....then tell me on time ... not in the late hours of the day before the activity/trip or whatever is supposed to happen.

...and a positive note

4. Thank you for being there for me .... for the support you have given.

She is actually quiet a positive person ... second to my friend in Gyeonngi do
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Rita.Kolan on April 28, 2011, 12:32:25 pm
Co1: You have gone above and beyond to make me feel comfortable in my apartment, town and school.  I will never forget how much you have helped me transition into Korea.  I feel extremely blessed to have been placed with you. 

Co2: You scared the hell out of me at first, but I quickly realized what an amazing teacher you are.  I love teaching with you because we are a great team.  You know exactly what I am trying to say in my lesson and have a great knack for getting difficult English words translated for the students.  I  can make my lessons more interesting because I know that you have my back in translating and discipline. 

Co3: You are a fun person, but please PLEASE stop flirting with my boy students when I am trying to teach.  It's distracting to everyone, and I think it's just downright creepy - especially when you sit on their laps.

Co4: You make teaching hard.  You don't ever help me.  I practically have to beg you to come to the room when I am teaching to help me translate.  And when you haul yourself up out of your chair (making sure I see how put out you are from your videos) you barely contribute anything.  We are co-teachers; we are not 'the English girl teaches on Tuesday so I get a free day."  Help out once and a while.  I can barely teach each week because I'm too busy disciplining students.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Harlequin on April 28, 2011, 12:35:33 pm
Dear

Mr. J: on a professional level I learned a great deal from you and how to better handle my classroom. Your constructive criticism of my lessons were really appreciated and it made me a better teacher. On a personal level, however, you were a bit creepy and you discussed inappropriate things and did things that were grounds for sexual harassment...even though you said that because I was fat it wasn't. >_>

Ms. K you were a cold woman who did nothing and liked to talk about me in the bathroom when I did nothing wrong. You contributed nothing and resisted every friendly attempt for us to work better together and teach effectively.

to the rest of my middle school teachers: I have been really hurt with your constant advice about my appearance. For your info, in America I am average because I have a healthy weight...I'm not bone thin and that is okay. I don't want to run in the mountains nor do I wish to wear 10lbs of make-up. Also, grabbing my problematic areas was extremely uncomfortable and trying to get me to say negative things about the other foreign teacher was very inappropriate and unprofessional. Also, making fun of me when I got sick is terrible and speaks volumes about you.

to my elementary teachers: I love you all. Even though your English was limited you went out of your way to try and speak with me. Your advice for each lesson was welcome and I always enjoyed our time teaching together. You helped me to feel welcome and you never told me not to eat! You guys encouraged me to do my best and allowed me to come up with my own supplemental material for the book.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: flasyb on April 28, 2011, 12:36:50 pm
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Co3: You are a fun person, but please PLEASE stop flirting with my boy students when I am trying to teach.  It's distracting to everyone, and I think it's just downright creepy - especially when you sit on their laps.

Is Co3 male or female? Either way it seems quite inappropriate!  :-*
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Amerz100 on October 05, 2011, 08:57:05 am
...carrying on from my post in April....

5. She teaches like a retard .... especially with the dialogue book she created ...which the kids have to memorize word for word literally .... on occasion running around like a headless chicken ...not knowing what the hell is going on - more to come ....to be continued
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Incredagogue on October 05, 2011, 10:00:46 am
Dear Co-T

Please be nicer to the students. They don't misbehave because they are evil - it's just that you offer no creativity in making the class dynamic or fun. In addition, you don't trust my skills enough to use any of my suggestions. A clear, balanced point & consequence system is much better than screaming and slamming your hand on the desk whenever you hit your limit with the students.

We both know that your English is unacceptable to be teaching at this level - so please let me take care of more of the instruction in class. I know the students are "low level", but that doesn't mean they can't understand when I conduct a simple dictation test.

Please stop calling my other co-teacher in evenings and weekends to check her lesson plans. It makes her feel constant stress. She has the education and experience not to need constant observation from you.

Please hold the teacher's meetings in English - you are an English teacher, so it would make all of the native English speakers feel better if we weren't listening to your meetings through a translator.

Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: jon-anon on October 05, 2011, 12:53:25 pm
Dear Co-teacher,


  I know you think its rude to correct you in class, and you don't like it. Please do not do the same thing to me in a class. Its just as rude when you walk into my class in the afternoon and do it to me.

    I wish we would take the time to talk about our lessons before we walked in the room. You don't do this no matter how many times I have asked you. You always tell me you don't have time, and then get mad at me for not knowing whats going (on) in class. I can't be an as affective (effective) teacher if you don't talk to me about your lessons before hand so I know whats going on. This makes me look as clueless as the kids look and feel. I don't like this feeling. It frustrates me that you won't talk to me about your lessons and I don't understand why you keep them "secret" from me. I can't plan my lessons arounds yours if you don't tell me what your teaching.

  I understand your resentful about how much I get paid. I know it seems unfair to you. But I would like to be treated with the same respect you expect me to treat you with. I went to school just as long, I worked just as hard to get my degree. I also left all my friends, and family behind. Being here is not easy, and I don't have the support network of a family here that you do. If you were in a foreign country to teach Korean without anyone that you knew, the same may apply to you. Please treat me with resepct. Do not resent me because I speak English as my native language. Your National school system wanted me here, if they did not, I would not be here.

  I know appear frustrated nearly every day. Its hard to adjust. When people have a problem back home, we don't smile and just nothing. We tell each other, and are very straight forward, I can tell when there's a problem but you don't explain to me what I did, or what went wrong. This is frustrating to me, If you would just meet with me daily to talk about things, a lot of miscommunication that leads to frustration between us would not happen.

  Lastly, nothing is more frustrating to me, then to be asked to make lesson plans, and then we don't use them. I put a lot of work and effort into my planning, and I want to teach. I give them to you, but then you never read them, and most of the time I do not do anything in class but parrot. If you don't want to use my lesson plans, then please don't ask me to plan. Its frustrating to me also to have you look over my plans like a parent inspecting homework and demand why I am doing something, and critize it negatively when you don't like something. I know you need to see them, and  I am happy to explain, but it would be nice to take my feelings and thoughts into consideration when you are looking at them. It may look the same to you, but I am teaching what I think is best for the students. I want to them to succeed. That is why I try so hard to teach what I know in English.

  Thanks for listening to me,
  Perhaps things will work a little better from now.

 (Ok - thats  my letter to a co-teacher, without using colorful words, and exclamation points). But - I think if I could tell her this and she would listen to me>? Things would be better - what I have written here, is the main points of what I have TRIED a zillion times to tell my co-teacher.
so - who knows - maybe my co-teacher is on here and will read all the things we want them to know - and thats  my thoughts on it.


I know this isn't helpful, but gorram it, we're English teachers, and your letter was frustrating as all get out to read!  Some of the most glaring mistakes are in red, there are some other grammatical issues that I didn't bother with.  There is a difference between the words  "your" and "you're".   You're not the first to make these mistakes on this board, nor will you be the last, but your letter in particular made my head asplode (intentional ironic misspelling)  today.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: yeti08 on October 05, 2011, 01:24:15 pm
Good to see a nice healthy mix of ranting and praise.  Makes me feel right at home, because I have my share of ups and downs.  I don't have a co-teacher per say, but I do have co-workers who frustrate me one day and make me feel great the next.

As with any job I've ever had before.

Thanks colleagues.  Just try to think to tell the waygook a little earlier on changes. Although keep bringing the fruit, it's expensive and I love eating my weight in grapes, apples, pears, and whatever the English name is for 참외.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Peekay1982 on October 05, 2011, 02:01:12 pm
NO-ONE - NO-ONE NO-ONE NO-ONE NO-ONE NO-ONE - EVER SAYS "Take a rest". EVER EVER EVER
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: flasyb on October 05, 2011, 02:33:58 pm
NO-ONE - NO-ONE NO-ONE NO-ONE NO-ONE NO-ONE - EVER SAYS "Take a rest". EVER EVER EVER

Sounds like someone should take some break and go to home. "Take a rest" is all part of the lingo these days. I say it as if it's the most natural thing in the world now and, to be honest, I think it always has been.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Peekay1982 on October 05, 2011, 02:55:17 pm
Frankly speaking, in my case I hear this phrase so much. Oh, too too much.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: ch1can3 on October 05, 2011, 03:08:53 pm
would anyone object to turning this thread into an actual bound book?
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: flasyb on October 05, 2011, 03:10:15 pm
Frankly speaking, in my case I hear this phrase so much. Oh, too too much.

When I hear this phrase, it's usually an indicator that I don't have to go to class and that my co-teacher will be telling the kids the answers to their exam. I can't hear it enough!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: jp457 on October 05, 2011, 11:21:22 pm
My co-teachers have been pretty great, I've rarely felt the need to passive-aggressively rant about them. ;)
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Cereal on October 06, 2011, 09:28:57 am
Be happy. Smile. Laugh. Live a life, not a life sentence.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: brandon85 on October 06, 2011, 10:37:15 am
Dear Ex CT #1 - I'm glad that you went to an awesome university that taught you that teaching is more than using a computer and expecting students to memorize useless information. You're now a homeroom teacher, and everytime I teach your class, they are a joy. You make the job look effortless and I am glad you have redeemed my belief in future Korean teachers.

Dear Ex CT #2 - I miss you like crazy! I miss having classes that flowed and went so smoothly that we'd continue into the break time because everyone was having so much fun. I hear you are at another school, and I hope you are doing well. Remember to stay confident and be like pie (inside joke).

Dear Ex CT #3 - I'm glad I got you fired. Lying to the students, the homeroom teachers, slacking off, and going on "medical leave" (when in fact you were with your boyfriend and got caught by me when out grocery shopping) really makes me hope you have been barred from ever stepping foot in a classroom again. The students hated when you made them "Listen & Repeat" for forty minutes, in EVERY lesson. I hated having to do your work for the classes we didn't teach together. Glad you are gone!

Dear Current CT #1 - You are a hate filled individual, who is well known as a gossipy harpy by almost everyone in the school. The smiles are fake, just like you. I'm surprised you have managed to last this long "teaching" the way you do. Oh, and I heard from some of your office mates about all the stuff I tell you before and after class. Last time I checked, all I ever said was "Hello", "Did you prepare your half?" "Why didn't you prepare your half?" "No, it's fine. I will do it myself" and "Goodbye"

Dear Current CT #2 - You are truly awesome and energetic. Your English puts the other teachers to shame, and you shouldn't be wasting your time in public school. Work for the U.N. or a major company that needs a translator and reap the benefits you rightfully deserve. Or stay and continue to make working together awesome. The choice is up to you.

Dear Current CT #3 - Just because you have been made head teacher, doesn't mean you are fluent in English. You just got stuck with the extra work and responsibilities, minus the pay. I am not your "assistant" in class, but if you want me to be and you feel the desire to do all the work, then that is fine with me.

Dear Current CT #4 - You deal with a lot of b.s. and I am glad to have you rooting for me. But, please... please, stop treating me like your own personal ESL classroom. And finally, stop asking me to make all your materials. The books change next year, you can't reuse them.

I've definitely had my ups and downs with my co-workers, but I would have to say that overall, it has been a positive experience. I have changed their lives a bit, over these past few years, and they have done the same for me. However, I am still happy to be leaving in March. Nothing personal, but I need a long vacation away from your culture.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: kps1 on October 07, 2011, 10:02:57 am
Something I wish I could tell them...hmmm how about, "Hey you teach today and I'll stare out the window."
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: richarquis on October 07, 2011, 12:27:34 pm
Dear co-teacher

Thank you for getting all of my leave signed by the VP and Principal so that I don't have to run around  trying to find them.

Thank you for the cookies every morning (even though they add to my waistline)

Thank you for never giving me any stress

Thank you for ensuring I teach less than my 22 hours per week

Thank you for letting me know about things literally weeks in advance

Thank you for being my translator for everything

And many more! Absolutely not one complaint about my co teacher!

This is exactly the same situation as I have. I work with 4 KT's who are all super-nice, who don't stress out, who never leave me stranded alone in the classroom, who help me with any and every problem that comes along, who help me with internet banking/shopping, and the list goes on. There are some great schools out there, and I'm fortunate enough to be at one. I tell them this quite often.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: purplepoptastic on October 07, 2011, 01:29:41 pm
Dear Co-teacher(s),

Thank you for correcting me in front of the class on the rare occasion that I do make a genuine mistake. This is not sarcasm. If someone forgets an apostrophe or uses the wrong word in front of the class, you should jump on them for it.

I know some of you (the younger female coteachers) have hellish working conditions here, but I'm always proud and impressed that you wake up and come to work with a smile on your face every day. You're tough as nails.

Dear old male co-teachers, your English is pretty poor. Your egoes are huge. You are, for the most part, not good people. You perpetuate an ultraconservative (even by Korean standards) sexist hegemony in this school that I hate being a part of.

Dear ex-coteachers that got laid off by the school so that there was no chance you could get a permanent position despite having better English than anyone else in the school, I miss you. And I'm sorry and were not paid for your afterschool classes. I miss the sticky notes you used to leave me teaching me stuff.

This is brilliant! so true, though not younger female teachers - just simply female teachers, and poor contract workers; always my favorites, always first to go.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: anonymousTeacher on October 11, 2011, 05:01:56 pm
Had to change my name to protect my identity... and that of my co-teacher.

Dear co-teacher,

You have a deep talent for teaching and a brilliant mind, although you would never admit this to others or even yourself.  You say that I am a great teacher, that you can learn from me, but the reality is that I am humbled by the lessons you teach me everyday while I am the one supposedly teaching in the classroom.  Your intuitive and inconspicuous classroom management. The affectionate yet caring harmonization of your tone when you speak to the class in Korean.  Your quick witted and always dead-on comments and feedback are the most helpful of all my other teachers, despite you being the least experienced. 

Where would I be if it wasn't for that note you wrote me on my first day, with all the romanized teacher names along with a few helpful hints about their social and professional rank? And your beautifully typed letter which you secretly handed me on my second week? I would be completely clueless about Korean customs and how to behave.  But most of all, I may not have the problem I am now facing.  Yes, I will grant your wish to stay as professional as I can. To not show favouritism; to pay attention to the other women in the office who apparently can get very jealous for the sake of your young career.  But for my sake?  It is all for your sake.  Every suppressed urge to speak to you is a knife in my side and every glance I avoid tightens the nauseating grip around my heart.  Oh, I suffer, but I could never tell you what a bloody mess I am.  My only relief is the occasional email I get from you late at night, which I languorously and voraciously devour from behind a computer screen, 3, 4, 5 times over.

Dear co-teacher... your desk is straight across from me, and yet all I can do is say goodmorning in the morning and good evening when you are leaving.  And the smile you throw at me over our dividing wall before you depart is the only sunlight that I see or feel all day, every day. It fills my being with a lingering warmth that lasts my entire walk home...

But the cold dead of night when I like awake in my bed is long.  Your professionalism may be safe, but at the expense of my sleep.

Dear co-teacher.  Only 10 months until my contract is up.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: kps1 on October 17, 2011, 07:45:33 am
Had to change my name to protect my identity... and that of my co-teacher.

Dear co-teacher,

You have a deep talent for teaching and a brilliant mind, although you would never admit this to others or even yourself.  You say that I am a great teacher, that you can learn from me, but the reality is that I am humbled by the lessons you teach me everyday while I am the one supposedly teaching in the classroom.  Your intuitive and inconspicuous classroom management. The affectionate yet caring harmonization of your tone when you speak to the class in Korean.  Your quick witted and always dead-on comments and feedback are the most helpful of all my other teachers, despite you being the least experienced. 

Where would I be if it wasn't for that note you wrote me on my first day, with all the romanized teacher names along with a few helpful hints about their social and professional rank? And your beautifully typed letter which you secretly handed me on my second week? I would be completely clueless about Korean customs and how to behave.  But most of all, I may not have the problem I am now facing.  Yes, I will grant your wish to stay as professional as I can. To not show favouritism; to pay attention to the other women in the office who apparently can get very jealous for the sake of your young career.  But for my sake?  It is all for your sake.  Every suppressed urge to speak to you is a knife in my side and every glance I avoid tightens the nauseating grip around my heart.  Oh, I suffer, but I could never tell you what a bloody mess I am.  My only relief is the occasional email I get from you late at night, which I languorously and voraciously devour from behind a computer screen, 3, 4, 5 times over.

Dear co-teacher... your desk is straight across from me, and yet all I can do is say goodmorning in the morning and good evening when you are leaving.  And the smile you throw at me over our dividing wall before you depart is the only sunlight that I see or feel all day, every day. It fills my being with a lingering warmth that lasts my entire walk home...

But the cold dead of night when I like awake in my bed is long.  Your professionalism may be safe, but at the expense of my sleep.

Dear co-teacher.  Only 10 months until my contract is up.

Wow.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: CLM1900 on October 17, 2011, 10:23:03 am
Co-Teacher #1.  I adore you.  Class is fun & productive every day.  I am thankful for the days I get with you, because it gets me through the difficult days with co-teacher # 2.  If it was not for you, I don't know that I would have made it this long.  Thank you.  Thank you.  You have made my time in Korea, simply wonderful.  I love that we have a respectful & professional working relationship.  I love that you encourage me with great, positive feedback.  I also love that you are very respectful & tactful when offering criticism, which makes me genuinely work to become a better teacher.  You're aces, all the way.

Co-Teacher # 2:  Who are you again?   I have seen you 5 times in the last year.  Your students are wonderful on an individual basis, but when they are all together in class, it is truly a nightmare.  I would love it if you would help me.  Maybe, say, come to class once in awhile..?  Anything?  Please?  Your school makes me lose sleep and makes me sick to my stomach.  I would love it if you did your job, 25% even, would be good enough for me.  Also, who is the creeper on the camera watching me every day???  Your school is the reason I will not reconsider signing on for another year.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Teachie on October 17, 2011, 01:37:52 pm
I am a teacher with 4 years experience. I am English. If you feel the need to correct me you should know that you are wrong, and dont do this in class. And stop being such a ........!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Kev20 on October 17, 2011, 02:07:35 pm
Dear co-teacher

Thank you for getting all of my leave signed by the VP and Principal so that I don't have to run around  trying to find them.

Thank you for the cookies every morning (even though they add to my waistline)

Thank you for never giving me any stress

Thank you for ensuring I teach less than my 22 hours per week

Thank you for letting me know about things literally weeks in advance

Thank you for being my translator for everything

And many more! Absolutely not one complaint about my co teacher!

This is exactly the same situation as I have. I work with 4 KT's who are all super-nice, who don't stress out, who never leave me stranded alone in the classroom, who help me with any and every problem that comes along, who help me with internet banking/shopping, and the list goes on. There are some great schools out there, and I'm fortunate enough to be at one. I tell them this quite often.

What about the cookies?
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: hoshinas on October 18, 2011, 07:41:02 am
I would like to ask my co-teacher to: not to make me drink and to tell me things in advance. 

I do not like to drink because I get an allergic reaction to it everytime but he always has me drink a sizeable sum during the official dinners.  He doesn't tell me about the dinners until I'm about to leave for the day.  I would just appreciate some advance notice.

Overall though I would tell him that he's a good guy.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: acojsx on October 23, 2011, 02:44:32 pm
Dear co1

Thanks for your help for all the admin side of things, but can you really stop looking at me with those emotionless dead eyes. I know it's your normal look, but it really bugs the hell out of me and I'm pretty sure the students. Smile~! it wouldn't hurt, to see you smile or even in class try to enjoy it.

dear co2

You're amazing! Your teaching style reflects how much u care about teaching and how well controlled the classes are clearly shows your prowess and professionalism in teaching. This was further confirmed after the new semester changed and u taught B classes instead of A class that co1 taught who were out of control. Thank you for sharing and caring about your life while hearing about mine and showing geniune interest in what happens to my life instead of all the bad things like co1 does.

dear co3

Your English abilities are amazing, but from teacher to teacher i can see your passion of teaching has burnt out ages ago, u have wasted ur talent, ur pronouciation and grasp of the language is the best of all the teachers, and yet u lack any passion for teaching. Stop daydreaming in my class, its embarassing asking you to translate something when u didnt pay attention and having to explain again to you. You no longer teach A class this term, life is not a breeze I require some help now since the kids are now lower level. I call you the North korean, because whenever there's class i know u just want to get the hell out of my classroom, which is proven the fact ur the first out of the class when the bell goes, even befoer the students leave their chair.

Dear co4

You're a kind and gentle man, maybe tooooo gentle to the students, the kids know this and i do as well, but medicine should be bitter sweet. Punish them properly, then they will get into order. On the whole ur a wonderful and great human being to talk to and to be in the presence of. Your overhwhelming kindness maybe ur weakness in teaching, but I accept it.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: hilarity ensues on October 24, 2011, 02:59:27 pm
I know they don't understand every single word that I say, but just translating everything that I say isn't going to help their English, and even though I'm sure that you mean very well and translating instructions probably does help a lot... but when I'm describing something slowly and clearly in simple language, it means that it's one of our unit words and I want them to listen to me and pick out enough of what I'm saying to be able to guess the word.

If you translate that description, you're completely undermining what I'm trying to do.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: bisp13 on October 24, 2011, 03:20:24 pm
Please stop bumping into my chair every time you walk by even though you have a good 5ft to work with.  Or at least throw out an "Excuse me" every once in a while, maybe specifically when I'm right about to take a sip of hot coffee.

Please stop using other people's ppts without looking at them before you use them in class.
Please stop using the materials I made when you teach alone so that I have to make even more materials.

Please stop being under prepared for regular classes while going totally over the top for open classes.

Finally, for the love of all that is holy, please stop it with the interruptions.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: hilarity ensues on October 24, 2011, 03:39:53 pm
Please stop being under prepared for regular classes while going totally over the top for open classes.

Sorry, but I know for a fact that this will never happen ever with any co-teacher anywhere in Korea.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: richarquis on October 27, 2011, 11:24:07 am
"You're dead sexy, we should be together, and make babies."
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Songwon on October 31, 2011, 03:35:44 pm
I've been lucky; every co-teacher I have ever had has been good, usually great, and the worst I can say about any of them is that I've had one or two in the past who were a bit lazy.  All the ones at my current school are great and help me out immensely.

That said, I wish I could tell every Korean teacher out there to stop referring to a paper as a "sheet".  It's really hard for me to keep a straight face when they keep telling the students to "take their sh*ts" or asking "have you finished your sh*ts?"
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: kipa on November 01, 2011, 08:04:16 am
Just because I'm a westener, does not mean I'm American, so please stop generalising that all "western" cultures are alike or american culture. and what exactly do you know about New Zealand culture? hmm I thought so... So because youre Korean, you must be the same as the Japanese? oh but your Asian, so you must have the same cultures!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: cattato on December 06, 2019, 06:45:47 pm
Dear Mrs. Hana,

You suck as a coteacher. The teacher before me hated working with you as well. If you were nice to me in the beginning of this year then maybe I would respect your opinion on anything but I don't because you have been nothing but a jerk to me. I f you tell me to do this I'll smile and nod and do the exact opposite of what you want. English camp is my thing. If I want to show a movie then I will. If I wanna do crafts and just show them a video on how to make it then I will because you don't like translating anything. I rather be alone and not get any help then work with you.
If I don't want to make telepathy sheets and just give them a blank piece of paper I will. Don't "that's just an excuse" me. Do ur damn job and tell the kids what I said. You know perfectly well 3rd graders don't understand me. When I was a kid my teachers would say pull out a blank piece of paper to do the task. Stop babying them. 3rd graders are not 5 year olds but you need to explain what I said regardless. I think they are smarter then you give them credit for. When I tested them I used positive reinforcement. So they were less scared of me. But when you tested them they did horrible. Cause ur a scary witch enough said.  And also what do you expect? These kids see me once a week don't blame me that they don't know English cause you see them more than me. It's your fault and theirs for not practicing English when they get home. It's their parents faults for not putting them in hagwons. It's your fault for not giving them homework. These kids arent serious about English just like how kids are not serious about Spanish in America. I know exactly how they think I was there before. But you don't. If they were serious about English don't you think they would be better than they are by now? Don't you think Korea would be fluent? No. Okay shut your mouth. Youu tried to get me fired but you failed cause Yaweh is on my side. And you can't get me fired now cause I'm leaving this dump in February. I already turned in my form telling the schools that I will not be teaching here again. 
Btw you aren't perfect. Im so sorry for ur children. I wouldn't be surprised if they killed themselves one day because of your controlling perfectionist behavior. No wonder this country has high sucide rates. I'd kill myself too if I was raised by someone like you.  Your so bitter and insecure in urself it's gross. Ur probably more selfish then me. When i was sick and could barely talk you just giggled at me and didn't care.
Idc that you don't like my teaching style cause ur is garbage.  You complain about me so much man my main cot hated receiving phone calls from you. But she's a niceish person so ur lucky that she is.  Do you even have a life? I'm sorry ur unhappy with it. I don't understand how anyone could marry a piece of trash like you. You act like ur so smart that ur smarter than me cause ur older but ur a dumb ass. If you have to ask me common sense questions like how to build a marshmallow snow man with the things I listed and ask me to send a video.and think it's gonna take 10 whole mins to put 3 marshmallows on top of each other. Wow pure stupidity. And ur not my main coteacher so ur not my supervisor. I have no reason to respect you. Ur not nice, ur school is just my travel which has done nothing for me but cause me greif. I'm glad ur not at my main school cause my cots there are actually nice ppl. They don't need trash like you hanging around. Like leave me alone forever. don't talk to me don't even breathe in my direction. So glad I'm almost done. Bye bye witch from hell you won't be missed.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: VanIslander on December 07, 2019, 07:42:15 pm
You have no "co-teacher".

You ain't no equal co-operative.

Check your contract.

You are an ASSISTANT. Not even a teacher. An "instructor".

End the delusion.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: NorthStar on December 07, 2019, 08:30:21 pm
You have no "co-teacher".

You ain't no equal co-operative.

Check your contract.

You are an ASSISTANT. Not even a teacher. An "instructor".

End the delusion.

Spoken like a true apologist....nice job.

....and..".You ain't no equal co-operative"....is a double negative. 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: oglop on December 07, 2019, 08:51:02 pm
You have no "co-teacher".

You ain't no equal co-operative.

Check your contract.

You are an ASSISTANT. Not even a teacher. An "instructor".

End the delusion.
since when did the assistant plan the class, prepare the materials for the class, and teach the class? i'm sure this is true for 99% of people here

try saying "i'm sorry, i am just the assistant. this is outside of my job role" and see how far that gets you
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: L I on December 07, 2019, 09:31:30 pm
Well, if the K teacher is above you and can veto your ideas / manage you / tell you what to do, then you are lower in the hierarchy. Lower on the totem pole with the name assistant. The form of address in an indication of the level of power one has been given.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: alexisalex on December 08, 2019, 03:21:32 pm
You have no "co-teacher".

You ain't no equal co-operative.

Check your contract.

You are an ASSISTANT. Not even a teacher. An "instructor".

End the delusion.
since when did the assistant plan the class, prepare the materials for the class, and teach the class? i'm sure this is true for 99% of people here

try saying "i'm sorry, i am just the assistant. this is outside of my job role" and see how far that gets you

Pecan used to say that all the time apparently!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: mikeycknowsrnb on December 09, 2019, 06:43:16 am
My desk doesn't become an extension of yours on the days I'm not there. Or at least of the decency to clean it off when you know I'm returning. You'd probably be pissed if you came in and saw all my shit on your desk so why do you think it's ok for you to do that to me?
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Piggydee on December 09, 2019, 08:10:29 am
Dear CT,

Stop telling me how tired I look.  It's not polite to comment on someone's appearance.  I wish this whole country would learn that!

Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on December 09, 2019, 08:28:00 am
Dear CT,

Stop telling me how tired I look.  It's not polite to comment on someone's appearance.  I wish this whole country would learn that!

Not wanting to defend this as it's something that has annoyed me for the time I've been here.  'Oh, you've gained weight' 'You've got a big stomach' 'You look tired' are just a few.  I started doing classes at a middle school this year, and the headteacher was a guy I'd worked with years ago in another smaller middle school, and the first thing he said to me was 'oh, you're losing your hair'.  Amazing.  Thanks for that.  I still have my hair, but slightly less.  The next day, I mentioned this to my co-teacher who said it's to do with familiarity.  The older person can say that because they know you, even though it's rude as shit to me.  My co-t also said this is why the younger generation don't want to meet their extended family because these kinds of comments are thrown around like sweets.  I suppose for some it's just a passive aggressive pile of waank, just a way to make themselves feel better.  Like crap negging. 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: CO2 on December 09, 2019, 08:48:21 am
Dear CT,

Stop telling me how tired I look.  It's not polite to comment on someone's appearance.  I wish this whole country would learn that!


My good friend is a big guy. And EVERY time we're out, older Korean dudes come up and give a short laugh, "Ha! 큰사이즈!"

Like, no shit. You have eyes. Whenever this happens I just start describing them. "Oh, sweater! Shoes! Oh, you have hair. Wow."

It's ****** annoying, ESPECIALLY as the first words out of someone's mouth. There's no reason, we all know he's a big guy. Cultural differences can take a hike.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: eoin_mclove on December 09, 2019, 09:32:29 am
The teacher that sits beside me in the office is always kind enough to remind me  whenever my facial eczema is flaring. Thanks a million, I'm not aware of these things at all.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: oglop on December 09, 2019, 10:52:14 am
Dear CT,

Stop telling me how tired I look.  It's not polite to comment on someone's appearance.  I wish this whole country would learn that!

Not wanting to defend this as it's something that has annoyed me for the time I've been here.  'Oh, you've gained weight' 'You've got a big stomach' 'You look tired' are just a few.  I started doing classes at a middle school this year, and the headteacher was a guy I'd worked with years ago in another smaller middle school, and the first thing he said to me was 'oh, you're losing your hair'.  Amazing.  Thanks for that.  I still have my hair, but slightly less.  The next day, I mentioned this to my co-teacher who said it's to do with familiarity.  The older person can say that because they know you, even though it's rude as shit to me.  My co-t also said this is why the younger generation don't want to meet their extended family because these kinds of comments are thrown around like sweets.  I suppose for some it's just a passive aggressive pile of waank, just a way to make themselves feel better.  Like crap negging. 
m8 this is just the famous 눈치 i keep hearing about
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: nightninja on December 09, 2019, 11:01:10 am
so many things I wish I could say and not all bad, but for some of those things I have to remember it's cultural no matter how much I dislike it.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Chinguetti on December 09, 2019, 11:22:39 am
My good friend is a big guy. And EVERY time we're out, older Korean dudes come up and give a short laugh, "Ha! 큰사이즈!"

Like, no shit. You have eyes. Whenever this happens I just start describing them. "Oh, sweater! Shoes! Oh, you have hair. Wow."

It's ****** annoying, ESPECIALLY as the first words out of someone's mouth. There's no reason, we all know he's a big guy. Cultural differences can take a hike.

They consider it rude here, too, but it's one of those abuses that's protected by hierarchy, so it's become an accepted "norm" that a lot of people take advantage of. Others do/did it to them, so now it's your turn.

For some, it can be an act of "endearment" and a method of showing concern for someone's well being (or to pressure them into wearing makeup/getting plastic surgery/losing weight), but for the most part it's just callousness and projected insecurity.

No one does it to my face now because they know I consider it rude, and I won't let them get away with being rude to me. I used to just let that kind of shit slide my first year here, but SOME people saw my complacency as a sign of weakness, and I had to put up with a lot of bullshit as a result. My life is so much easier now since I started being more upfront about where my boundaries are.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on December 09, 2019, 11:57:38 am
Dear CT,

Stop telling me how tired I look.  It's not polite to comment on someone's appearance.  I wish this whole country would learn that!

Not wanting to defend this as it's something that has annoyed me for the time I've been here.  'Oh, you've gained weight' 'You've got a big stomach' 'You look tired' are just a few.  I started doing classes at a middle school this year, and the headteacher was a guy I'd worked with years ago in another smaller middle school, and the first thing he said to me was 'oh, you're losing your hair'.  Amazing.  Thanks for that.  I still have my hair, but slightly less.  The next day, I mentioned this to my co-teacher who said it's to do with familiarity.  The older person can say that because they know you, even though it's rude as shit to me.  My co-t also said this is why the younger generation don't want to meet their extended family because these kinds of comments are thrown around like sweets.  I suppose for some it's just a passive aggressive pile of waank, just a way to make themselves feel better.  Like crap negging. 
m8 this is just the famous 눈치 i keep hearing about

Oglop, you look tired.  You know why?  You're going to make me millions with the 'British Guy in Korea' show, so you're going to have to work like a Chester slapper to keep the ratings up and you're only going to get a small cut of it.  Therefore, tired Oglop.  Please fall over the washing basket so I can repeat the slip three times with added boings.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: L I on December 09, 2019, 01:22:28 pm
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Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: tik2018 on December 09, 2019, 02:04:16 pm
Coteacher 1:
Dear coteacher, Thank you for being involved in my lessons and making sure the kids stay on task. Thank you for being available to talk about lessons for the kids and for giving positive feedback on my lessons. Thank you for offering class materials (like use of tablets) that I didn't even know we had. And thank you for treating me like an actual teacher doing an actual job.

Coteacher 2:
Dear coteacher, Thank you for being amazing in the classroom. You always encourage the students to participate and congratulate them for doing so. You always back me up discipline-wise in the classroom and you are always on time (the only one). Thank you also for being considerate enough to send me a message on the school messenger letting me know if your class is cancelled or changed and also *asking* me if I am okay with you taking over one of my classes or moving it. It has been such a pleasure to work with you this semester and your students have been great. I do still remember that time you shaded me because I still am not fluent in Korean after living here for 2 years (but I forgive you).

Coteacher 3:
Dear co-teacher, Yeah I don't know how I feel about you. At the beginning of the year, you were great. Very friendly and very involved in class, jumping in to help translate (which was only slightly annoying), wanting to be involved and informed about my lessons, and giving positive feedback. But after a while, you flipped the script. Started showing up late to class, if at all, and all you did was stand/sit at the back and pay little attention. Also, it may be a cultural difference and all but your relationship with your female students who are "in-love" with you and your acceptance of their behavior towards you just feels kinda inappropriate to me. You seem to care a little too much about the students thinking you're the "handsome, fun" teacher, but it is what it is. I don't watch your classes so idk what your actual teaching style is during class.

Coteacher 4:
Dear coteacher, you were my saving grace when I first came here. You were like a mother to me in a way. The first year, you took me to dinner or the movies. You always went with me to the doctor or helped me find out information if I needed it, or talked to the principle for me, even though you are not my main co-teacher so none of that is your job. You were also great in the classroom, involved during the lesson, and chewing kids out if they were being loud, disrespectful, or not participating. This year you stopped hanging out with me outside of school, but that's okay. I was disappointed that you also slacked off in class too, just sitting in the back reading or sleeping. Your student's behavior has been awful this year, much more than last year. You also offended me deeply when I told you that the behavior has been terrible and your advice was to give up because I didn't need to really teach them anything and they're not smart anyway because they don't have money for hagwons, so they don't need to learn. Just play games or watch movies. I do take my job seriously, and I was hurt and annoyed that you not only didn't take my job seriously, but viewed your own students that way. It's difficult because it's hard to see you the same way after that conversation, but I have seen your classes and you're actually a great teacher and you have helped me out a lot since I came here out of the good of your heart.

Coteacher 5:
Dear coteacher, I should keep this brief because I have nothing nice to say about you. I'm sure you're a nice person, but you are an awful teacher in my opinion. I have heard various other teachers say as well that you are lazy and bad at your job so I do not think I'm being unnecessarily harsh. It floors me that the school appointed you as my main coteacher when there are 4 other Korean English teachers as well. You can barely speak or understand English. Your students are the worst behaved, lowest level, and rudest every year and yet you do absolutely nothing in the classroom but stand at the back on your phone, if you show up to class at all. I have spoken to you on numerous occasions over and over again asking for your assistance and involvement in the class to no avail. Working with you has been an absolute nightmare, both as a coteacher in the classroom and as my main co-teacher in charge of all my stuff.



I really needed to vent. Btw, all of my coteachers are Korean English teachers, not homeroom teachers, because I teach at a fairly large middle school. 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: OnNut81 on December 09, 2019, 03:14:00 pm
Dear Co-T .  Thank you for not bothering to report or record my vacation or sick days accurately and then informing me at the end of the year I have a surprising number of days left in a deliberate effort to help me out. 

I love you.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: OnNut81 on December 10, 2019, 07:56:54 am
....did anyone sleep with his/her co-teacher?


(I slept with my recruiter....she was a vixen)

Holy sh*T!  That's wild, dude.  You need to go and immediately post this on ESL Café back in 2001.  I can totally see this post surpassing "Corner mart ajumma giving me the stink eye" and even coming close to catching up with "So, I met the GF's parents..." 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: 303lmc on December 10, 2019, 08:34:11 am
I have had overall a good experience with my main KT, who is more my 'handler' because we don't teach together since she is the 2nd grade teacher. the one thing I would say is please stop ordering things with the English budget before asking me.  Please check with me first before ordering something. I need specific things for my camp and when you order something because you think it's what I need, and spend the money, it is frustrating. We already HAVE 100 of those folders you ordered with the extra 60,000W left over. And I had actually remembered some things I had forgotten to put on the list. I don't need nor did I ask for Aladdin movie, so it's convenient you need it. And please, please tell me if you don't understand what I am saying or asking. SO much confusion has happened because of this. otherwise she is truly an amazing woman and I really appreciate her help! I've done my best to figure out what I needed and only asked for help when I really couldn't figure it out because I know she is busy with her career and her life.

My travel school KT is AWESOME. She and I just clicked for how to handle my day at the school. She was great at communicating with me and would help me if I asked for it. She gave me great ideas for class and how to adjust boring games into sort of fun games. I'm sad she left on maternity leave but am so happy for her and her family. Her replacement is good, but we communicate with translator which we all know can be a challenge. and the classes are hard to control now. but overall I have had great luck with my KT's.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: CO2 on December 10, 2019, 08:46:03 am
please stop ordering things with the English budget before asking me.  Please check with me first before ordering something.

I needed pipe cleaners for a camp project and she almost ordered Drano.

Which is silly, but............ why on Earth did she think I needed Drano for camp?
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: theman3285 on December 10, 2019, 08:52:54 am
....did anyone sleep with his/her co-teacher?


(I slept with my recruiter....she was a vixen)
You guys realize that Koreans peruse these forums, right? Is this really an appropriate question? The media vilifies us enough as it is.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: 303lmc on December 10, 2019, 10:10:41 am
please stop ordering things with the English budget before asking me.  Please check with me first before ordering something.

I needed pipe cleaners for a camp project and she almost ordered Drano.

Which is silly, but............ why on Earth did she think I needed Drano for camp?

omg, hilarious!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Aristocrat on December 10, 2019, 11:08:45 am
please stop ordering things with the English budget before asking me.  Please check with me first before ordering something.

I needed pipe cleaners for a camp project and she almost ordered Drano.

Which is silly, but............ why on Earth did she think I needed Drano for camp?

Last year, I'd label the CT a certified retard.

For camp, my plan was to make mug cakes and a Rube Goldberg machine project, there were 25 students.

My CT waited till the very last minute to order the ingredients and materials, so I'd only be able to check on the day. One of the ingredients was cocoa powder, if I remember correctly. Each student needed roughly 2-3 tablespoons, so I was expecting something like a 1kg bag or tin of cocoa powder (which I listed)... The day arrives and she reveals 2 single serving sachets... for 25 students. I asked her to count how many students we had and tell me whether she thought it was enough.
I didn't wait for her response and ran to the staff room where I found a VERY old tin of hot chocolate. I used a spoon to chisel away at the rock hard hot chocolate in the tin. With half servings and some chocolate syrup that I found, we managed to make something which could pass for a mug cake.

Then came the Rube Goldberg day. I'd spent quite a while making PPTs simplifying basic physics principles like gravity and force, a quick worksheet and other plans for the Rube Goldberg machines that each group was going to create. Where were the materials (cardboard sheets, marbles, springs, elastic bands, Blu-Tac, Jenga Blocks etc.) Oh... she forgot to order them.
Again, I had to resist the urge to drown her in her own handbag, and dazzle everyone with my ability to improvise a plan.

She was audacious, oblivious and clueless enough to actually compliment me on my ability to create a new programme for the day within 10min when the original plan, which I'd worked very hard on, was no longer possible.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: robin_teacher on December 10, 2019, 11:56:25 am
please stop ordering things with the English budget before asking me.  Please check with me first before ordering something.

I needed pipe cleaners for a camp project and she almost ordered Drano.

Which is silly, but............ why on Earth did she think I needed Drano for camp?

'Special' mug cakes.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Chinguetti on December 10, 2019, 12:12:14 pm
please stop ordering things with the English budget before asking me.  Please check with me first before ordering something.

I needed pipe cleaners for a camp project and she almost ordered Drano.

Which is silly, but............ why on Earth did she think I needed Drano for camp?

'Special' mug cakes.

Meth cakes.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Kayos on December 10, 2019, 12:15:39 pm
please stop ordering things with the English budget before asking me.  Please check with me first before ordering something.

I needed pipe cleaners for a camp project and she almost ordered Drano.

Which is silly, but............ why on Earth did she think I needed Drano for camp?

'Special' mug cakes.

Meth cakes.

Hi, I'm Tito, and I'm good at smoking meth.
(for the user who has tito in their username, this isn't about you! It was a line from a show I watched a while back haha).
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Chinguetti on December 10, 2019, 12:21:29 pm
please stop ordering things with the English budget before asking me.  Please check with me first before ordering something.

I needed pipe cleaners for a camp project and she almost ordered Drano.

Which is silly, but............ why on Earth did she think I needed Drano for camp?

'Special' mug cakes.

Meth cakes.

Hi, I'm Tito, and I'm good at smoking meth.
(for the user who has tito in their username, this isn't about you! It was a line from a show I watched a while back haha).

That show's still going, too, I thought it was canceled a while back.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Kayos on December 10, 2019, 12:22:46 pm
please stop ordering things with the English budget before asking me.  Please check with me first before ordering something.

I needed pipe cleaners for a camp project and she almost ordered Drano.

Which is silly, but............ why on Earth did she think I needed Drano for camp?

'Special' mug cakes.

Meth cakes.

Hi, I'm Tito, and I'm good at smoking meth.
(for the user who has tito in their username, this isn't about you! It was a line from a show I watched a while back haha).

That show's still going, too, I thought it was canceled a while back.

Oh wow. I got bored of it pretty quick TBH, but that Tito bit was hilarious.
The actors voice as he said all that made me laugh.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Chinguetti on December 10, 2019, 12:28:47 pm
Oh wow. I got bored of it pretty quick TBH, but that Tito bit was hilarious.
The actors voice as he said all that made me laugh.

Same, I watched the first couple of episodes and decided it wasn't for me. I get why people like it but it's too much like a sitcom trying to be a cartoon show for me.

But I'm still rooting for Tito.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: 303lmc on December 10, 2019, 12:39:02 pm
please stop ordering things with the English budget before asking me.  Please check with me first before ordering something.

I needed pipe cleaners for a camp project and she almost ordered Drano.

Which is silly, but............ why on Earth did she think I needed Drano for camp?

Last year, I'd label the CT a certified retard.

For camp, my plan was to make mug cakes and a Rube Goldberg machine project, there were 25 students.

My CT waited till the very last minute to order the ingredients and materials, so I'd only be able to check on the day. One of the ingredients was cocoa powder, if I remember correctly. Each student needed roughly 2-3 tablespoons, so I was expecting something like a 1kg bag or tin of cocoa powder (which I listed)... The day arrives and she reveals 2 single serving sachets... for 25 students. I asked her to count how many students we had and tell me whether she thought it was enough.
I didn't wait for her response and ran to the staff room where I found a VERY old tin of hot chocolate. I used a spoon to chisel away at the rock hard hot chocolate in the tin. With half servings and some chocolate syrup that I found, we managed to make something which could pass for a mug cake.

Then came the Rube Goldberg day. I'd spent quite a while making PPTs simplifying basic physics principles like gravity and force, a quick worksheet and other plans for the Rube Goldberg machines that each group was going to create. Where were the materials (cardboard sheets, marbles, springs, elastic bands, Blu-Tac, Jenga Blocks etc.) Oh... she forgot to order them.
Again, I had to resist the urge to drown her in her own handbag, and dazzle everyone with my ability to improvise a plan.

She was audacious, oblivious and clueless enough to actually compliment me on my ability to create a new programme for the day within 10min when the original plan, which I'd worked very hard on, was no longer possible.

Wow. I would not have been able to hide my, um, disappointment with that. I do find it mildly irritating when I spend precious hours combing through Gmarket to find the best price for what I want only to find that  they bought something I "could use", but never will. I'm trying to spend the money wisely so what we buy will actually be used, unlike the 100 folders I doubt will ever be used. If  I didn't ask for it, I don't want it.  Sort of like the movies I need. I NEED them for my camp. my camp is specific to the movie!!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Kayos on December 10, 2019, 12:41:57 pm
Oh wow. I got bored of it pretty quick TBH, but that Tito bit was hilarious.
The actors voice as he said all that made me laugh.

Same, I watched the first couple of episodes and decided it wasn't for me. I get why people like it but it's too much like a sitcom trying to be a cartoon show for me.

But I'm still rooting for Tito.

I watched a couple too, then mostly ran it as background noise while doing other things haha
Me too! Goodluck Tito! :D
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: JNM on December 10, 2019, 04:31:31 pm
....did anyone sleep with his/her co-teacher?


(I slept with my recruiter....she was a vixen)
You guys realize that Koreans peruse these forums, right? Is this really an appropriate question? The media vilifies us enough as it is.

Adults having sex?
[clutches pearls]
Horrible, I say!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: oglop on December 10, 2019, 05:17:24 pm
....did anyone sleep with his/her co-teacher?


(I slept with my recruiter....she was a vixen)
You guys realize that Koreans peruse these forums, right? Is this really an appropriate question? The media vilifies us enough as it is.
gonna see northstar on something like this soon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8uM0zOBuSw
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: OnNut81 on December 11, 2019, 08:04:25 am
....did anyone sleep with his/her co-teacher?


(I slept with my recruiter....she was a vixen)
You guys realize that Koreans peruse these forums, right? Is this really an appropriate question? The media vilifies us enough as it is.

Adults having sex?
[clutches pearls]
Horrible, I say!

Anyone have a meme for things going straight over someone's head?  Obviously no one gives a sh*t about anyone getting together with your colleagues.  It happens everywhere in the world.  The point is a presumed mature adult trying to start a conversation about who hooked up with a co-teacher.  It's pretty lame and just reminds of the early 2000s  when sites like eslcafe would be rife with threads where twenty somethings from Melonville were starting threads where the whole point was to say they hooked up with a Korean. 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: alexisalex on December 11, 2019, 07:36:15 pm
Please just turn the volume down on your voice.  It's a tiny office.  There's no need to talk that loudly when you're a foot away from someone.  I can hear you from down the hall with the office door shut. 

Also, you're what, 42, 43?  Stop using/doing(?) aegyo.  You're not a 20-something princess.  That ship has sailed. 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Aristocrat on December 11, 2019, 09:50:45 pm
Also, you're what, 42, 43?  Stop using/doing(?) aegyo.  You're not a 20-something princess.  That ship has sailed. 

Whenever a woman does 'aegyo' (particularly an older woman), I have the same expression I'd have when watching a cockroach give birth.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Aristocrat on December 11, 2019, 10:02:55 pm
Stop telling me about the latest blind-date you shot down and how you're waiting for prince charming.

- You're pushing 40 and have never moved out of your parents home
- You complain to me when that your mother asks you to do the dishes
- You complain that your 65yr old father gets irritated when you refuse to take out the rubbish and ask him to do it
- You tell me you don't want to move out because it's convenient to have someone cook and do your laundry
- You only got your driver's license 2yrs ago

Mothers, lock up your sons.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: eoin_mclove on December 12, 2019, 07:13:08 am
....did anyone sleep with his/her co-teacher?


(I slept with my recruiter....she was a vixen)
You guys realize that Koreans peruse these forums, right? Is this really an appropriate question? The media vilifies us enough as it is.
gonna see northstar on something like this soon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8uM0zOBuSw
"Dramatization - may not have happened"

*Edit: Quote Formatting
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: fka on December 12, 2019, 08:24:39 am
Also, you're what, 42, 43?  Stop using/doing(?) aegyo.  You're not a 20-something princess.  That ship has sailed. 

Whenever a woman does 'aegyo' (particularly an older woman), I have the same expression I'd have when watching a cockroach give birth.


What does it mean, exactly to "do" aegyo? Is it the pouty face and drawing out final vowels in that whiny, unbearable way that young Korean women like to do? Or general attempts at coquettish behaviour with a prepubescent twist?
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: theman3285 on December 12, 2019, 08:34:34 am
Stop telling me about the latest blind-date you shot down and how you're waiting for prince charming.

- You're pushing 40 and have never moved out of your parents home
- You complain to me when that your mother asks you to do the dishes
- You complain that your 65yr old father gets irritated when you refuse to take out the rubbish and ask him to do it
- You tell me you don't want to move out because it's convenient to have someone cook and do your laundry
- You only got your driver's license 2yrs ago

Mothers, lock up your sons.
Consider the subtext. She's probably insecure about her extended bachelorette status and doesn't want you to think there's something wrong with her. So she rambles off a bunch of excuses on the reg in a feeble attempt to justify her situation. Just be glad she respects your opinion enough to do that.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: fka on December 12, 2019, 08:48:41 am
The thing is, though, for both men and women who live at home, you probably increase your desirability exponentially by looking like you have some basic life skills. If you can hold down a job, pay your rent on time, keep your place tidy and throw a few tasty dishes together, I'd think that would have an impact on how attractive you seem to others.

Actually, having just typed all that, I realize that you probably don't disagree with me and I'm actually trying to send the message to single Koreans living with their parents in general, and someone who isn't even my co-teacher in particular, through the most futile and indirect method imaginable.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Datasapien on December 12, 2019, 08:59:38 am
Mothers, lock up your sons.

Too good haha  :laugh:

I had a co-teacher with sort of the opposite problem though, seems like her parents (mother in particular) were quite emotionally abusive and were basically making it impossible for her to leave the family home and become independent. They also controlled all of her finances and gave her pocket money from her own paychecks  :sad: So living with parents isn't always a choice they've made but just a situation they find themselves in.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: alexisalex on December 12, 2019, 09:03:09 am
Also, you're what, 42, 43?  Stop using/doing(?) aegyo.  You're not a 20-something princess.  That ship has sailed. 

Whenever a woman does 'aegyo' (particularly an older woman), I have the same expression I'd have when watching a cockroach give birth.


What does it mean, exactly to "do" aegyo? Is it the pouty face and drawing out final vowels in that whiny, unbearable way that young Korean women like to do? Or general attempts at coquettish behaviour with a prepubescent twist?

The first part haha.  You're right, it's unbearable but I can sort of understand why a young Korean girl would do it.  But a 40 year old?  Nah. 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: LIC on December 16, 2019, 11:44:44 am
Why are you so outrageously loud whenever you sneeze or yawn?
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: 303lmc on December 17, 2019, 02:23:33 pm
please close the door when you come in! I don't get to turn on the heat and you're letting it out!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: hangook77 on December 18, 2019, 08:37:44 am
Stop telling me about the latest blind-date you shot down and how you're waiting for prince charming.

- You're pushing 40 and have never moved out of your parents home
- You complain to me when that your mother asks you to do the dishes
- You complain that your 65yr old father gets irritated when you refuse to take out the rubbish and ask him to do it
- You tell me you don't want to move out because it's convenient to have someone cook and do your laundry
- You only got your driver's license 2yrs ago

Mothers, lock up your sons.
Consider the subtext. She's probably insecure about her extended bachelorette status and doesn't want you to think there's something wrong with her. So she rambles off a bunch of excuses on the reg in a feeble attempt to justify her situation. Just be glad she respects your opinion enough to do that.

Got my drivers licence in High School.  (Rules changed for kids now.)  Been 20 years of driving.  I'm a damn good driver if I say so myself.  Gotta have sharp instincts to drive here and anticipate assholery on the road. 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: oglop on December 18, 2019, 09:04:49 am
yeah well i got my licence when i was 14 and last week i went down the new go kart place in seoul and i did a couple of laps, pulled over, and the bloke who runs it came over and said "oi, no professionals" and i said "i'm not a professional" and he said, "well, you should be. if i was you, i'd consider taking up F1 and if you did, you'd probably be the best in the country" but i said i'm not interested because i'm making a shit load of money teaching english to kids
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: alexisalex on December 18, 2019, 09:32:12 am
yeah well i got my licence when i was 14 and last week i went down the new go kart place in seoul and i did a couple of laps, pulled over, and the bloke who runs it came over and said "oi, no professionals" and i said "i'm not a professional" and he said, "well, you should be. if i was you, i'd consider taking up F1 and if you did, you'd probably be the best in the country" but i said i'm not interested because i'm making a shit load of money teaching english to kids


What, down Super Karts?
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Colburnnn on December 18, 2019, 11:43:15 am
3rd Grade Middle School - All tests finished, students are just watching movies.

Me: (Goes to class) Oh what movie are they watching?

Co: Angel has fallen, it's ok they started it already and it's rated for them (15)

Me: Oh. OK.

(Movie includes shooting MP5's, Punching, Stabbing scene where blood pours out of a mans body)

--- Movie finishes with 15 mins left of class ---

Me: Lets watch a bit of home alone to fill the time, it's Christmas after all!

Students: Yeah!

Co: I think thats a bit violent for them.

Me: Wut? Did... Did you just see what happened in that last movie??

Me: **FFS I'm done**

Oh and this is the one who is doing camp with me.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: theman3285 on December 18, 2019, 12:11:44 pm
Oh and this is the one who is doing camp with me.
I'd love to have someone to share the load with for camp - instead of having to plan and execute a two week, 3 hours per day extravaganza, with an overbearing vice-principal breathing down my neck, alone.

How is it that some schools have Koreans and NETs working together for camp and other schools have the NET slaving alone? And how exactly do they determine how long a camp should be? Everybody knows these range from 3 days to 3 weeks or more, some for 2 hours a day, others 3 or 4 hours a day. The inconsistency/arbitrariness of it all is quite maddening.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: L I on December 18, 2019, 12:33:38 pm
The K-teacher is paid extra for the camps. The NET is not. 

If pressured by a higher up, the K-teacher will show up. If not, it's quite likely the K-teacher will not show up. (And still be paid regardless of course.) 

Rarely does a K-teacher help plan camp lessons. Usually it's the NET slaving alone. 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: pkjh on December 18, 2019, 12:47:55 pm
The K-teacher is paid extra for the camps. The NET is not.

If pressured by a higher up, the K-teacher will show up. If not, it's quite likely the K-teacher will not show up. (And still be paid regardless of course.)

Rarely does a K-teacher help plan camp lessons. Usually it's the NET slaving alone.
Unless the camp is during off-hours the K-teacher doesn't get extra, in the past they used to get paid though. Way more teachers would be willing to do camps if they got paid extra. Most of my teachers won't do any extra anything unless there is extra money involved, and even then they'll be reluctant.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: L I on December 18, 2019, 12:56:21 pm
Unless the camp is during off-hours the K-teacher doesn't get extra, in the past they used to get paid though.

Are you sure about that? I saw the form paying my  coteacher this most recent summer camp, and before that , too.

New rule that just took effect?

I'm wary to believe what you say because others have posted factually inaccurate information before.

Got  a source?
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: L I on December 18, 2019, 01:02:07 pm
Unless the camp is during off-hours the K-teacher doesn't get extra

I guess one can say the camp is almost always off-hours since K-teachers have much longer vacations compared to NETs? 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: L I on December 18, 2019, 01:04:49 pm
Most of my teachers won't do any extra anything unless there is extra money involved, and even then they'll be reluctant.

They don't want to use vacation time to be at a camp for 25K an hour? Don't blame them.  But not showing  up and being paid for it is disgraceful. How can you defend that? Or how about being assigned to do something and then not doing it? That's bad.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: L I on December 18, 2019, 01:05:57 pm
Most K-teachers have way longer winter vacations than NETs.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: L I on December 18, 2019, 01:08:29 pm
I've never encountered a situation where the K-teacher was not paid for the English camp.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: hangook77 on December 18, 2019, 01:21:36 pm
The K-teacher is paid extra for the camps. The NET is not.

If pressured by a higher up, the K-teacher will show up. If not, it's quite likely the K-teacher will not show up. (And still be paid regardless of course.)

Rarely does a K-teacher help plan camp lessons. Usually it's the NET slaving alone.

When it was middle school, this was true.  In elementary, it seems to me they do plan some things.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: oglop on December 18, 2019, 01:22:25 pm
i've always planned by myself. the k-teacher always got paid, but also never came
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: L I on December 18, 2019, 01:24:38 pm
Yeah, this is very common.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: nightninja on December 18, 2019, 01:29:08 pm
I usually planned by myself, but my coteacher would go shopping for the supplies with me and be at the camp with me. If my coteacher couldn't be there he/she would find a substitute who spoke decent English.....and my coteachers were always paid for their time, I was even paid sometimes, depending on the circumstances of when/how long the camp was.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Colburnnn on December 18, 2019, 01:41:56 pm
Oh and this is the one who is doing camp with me.
I'd love to have someone to share the load with for camp - instead of having to plan and execute a two week, 3 hours per day extravaganza, with an overbearing vice-principal breathing down my neck, alone.

How is it that some schools have Koreans and NETs working together for camp and other schools have the NET slaving alone? And how exactly do they determine how long a camp should be? Everybody knows these range from 3 days to 3 weeks or more, some for 2 hours a day, others 3 or 4 hours a day. The inconsistency/arbitrariness of it all is quite maddening.

OH no no no, maybe it wasn't clear. I'M doing everything. PPT's, games, materials. She is just coming to tell me how s*** it is and how she would have done it.

F*** this woman seriously. 6 other co's are sweet as a nut. But there is always one.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: L I on December 18, 2019, 01:45:06 pm
She gets paid for the camp. You don't.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: pkjh on December 18, 2019, 03:29:57 pm
Most of my teachers won't do any extra anything unless there is extra money involved, and even then they'll be reluctant.

They don't want to use vacation time to be at a camp for 25K an hour? Don't blame them.  But not showing  up and being paid for it is disgraceful. How can you defend that? Or how about being assigned to do something and then not doing it? That's bad.
Well at least my teachers only do the minimum camps required, which is only 1 per year. If they got paid, I'm sure they'd make me do more 'camps', or 'supplemental' lessons. And the camps were scheduled during the vacation period during school hours. So, I am under the impression they don't get paid. Otherwise they would have made it on some random Saturday, or some other off-hour time. Which is great for me, no wasted time on students who don't really want to be there. Perhaps my school is cheap... don't know.

Also, it's not just English teachers that sometimes to do extra classes. You'll see the science, and math teachers come in during the vacation to do 'extra' classes. I've never seen anything regarding pay, but I do know for a bulk of the vacation they put it under 'research/seminar' or something, and vacation time, to cover most of the vacation period.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on December 18, 2019, 09:47:13 pm
So, a friend told me there's no more NET positions in Ulsan from next year, and that I should do this:

*cracks knuckles, exhales*

1st Coteacher:
You were kindness personified. The only time we ever disagreed on anything, you were gentle and respectful. I did used to get frustrated with you because you let the fifth grade boys throw things in your face, but as you may remember, I stopped that shit using some unusual tactics...and you let me. That was for you, girl, you don't deserve that bullshit. Your son was also the sweetest, most well-behaved child I have EVER taught. Our classes almost always went well, and you were so helpful to me and not resentful at all about getting me my ARC, bank account, etc. Thank you for being generous with your time and spirit. I do miss you quite a bit.

2nd Coteacher:
You teach second grade. Leather pants and a backless top? Really? Also, you were extremely imperious and condescending in the classroom- maybe that's why I didn't do "the special things do for [1st Coteacher]." I didn't ever have the chance, you see. Thank you for correcting my pronunciation! Oh, did I wrote "thank" you? I meant--

3rd Coteacher:
You are a monster.
You rearranged my apartment and gave me the silent treatment when I put it back.
You stalked me on the streets.
You told me I would be a "mean mother" because I made a kid stop hurting another kid.
You made me do the obstacle course with all the other teachers even though I had already explained to you that I have endometriosis and running during my period is extremely painful. Then you laughed at me for puking from the pain afterwards.
You called me between 11 PM-1 AM every night to ask me to make some bullshit like a "cha cha swing board game" (WHAT) for the classes the next day. If I actually had time to do it, it was never used, and if I decided not to, it was time for you to pout.
You never did decide- am I took strict, or not strict enough? Whichever it actually was, who knows, because it changed regardless of what was happening in the classroom.
You slept in the storage closet during class because you were too hungover.
You hit the students with the love stick, your hand, books.
You kicked the students.
You threw pens at the students.
Your response to my being locked in the school because I stayed late was "work faster next time." I had to call 1st Coteacher for help even though she was out sick, like, in the hospital.
You ensured that I had as little time as possible to work and eat lunch because "foreign teachers always take advantage." I had 34 teaching hours my first year. I didn't get lunch two days a week.
You made me eat soondae, you ****** toad. Like, forced me to in front of everyone, multiple times, knowing that i did not like it.
You didn't speak to me for a week because I did not buy you a watch at the duty-free. Specifically.
You didn't speak to me for a straight month because you thought I yelled at you, and refused to discuss the reason. When you finally did, you cried, and said that it was the most painful thing you had ever experienced. What had actually happened was that I said, "X-teacher, please wait one moment" because you were shouting over me when I was speaking to a hearing-impaired student, and he got upset. If my voice was louder than normal, it's because you were ****** SCREAMING.
You told me way too many details about your butthole surgery and that should never, ever happen to anyone.
You stole my printer and then told everyone I lost it. HOW DO YOU LOSE A PRINTER? Did I just, like, leave it at Homeplus or something? This is the one that really confuses me still.
You are a domestic abuser. The way you treat your husband, and crow about it, actually disgusts me.
You kept your grade level away from me for a month because a kid said they liked me more than they liked you and you got jealous. You know that's insane, right? Thanks for the extra time, though, because for that month I almost never had to come in at 7:30 to prepare!

I AM one reason you got demoted, but I am not THE reason, and I hope you know that. Other people know about you; you're FAMOUS.

Please leave me alone forever.

4th Coteacher:
I loved you. You really knew what you were doing with that age group. I have never seen such incisive and reasonable classroom management. You hated the textbooks as much as I did and had even less patience for ajusshi nonsense. I am happy you had such a lovely son, but I deeply wish you had stayed longer, because...

5th Coteacher:
HOLY SMACKBALLS DID YOU HAVE BRIAN DAMAGE? No, I really wish I knew. Ignoring two fistfights that drew blood was amazing. Trying to make students repeat the instrumental version of the Story Chant was amazing. Being hypnotised by gifs was amazing. Being unable to speak any English at all whatsoever? Uhhhhhhh not so amazing, buddy. I dearly hope you have retired and have someone taking care of you. I'm not mad anymore, but I hope like hell no one ever put you in a classroom again after you left.

6th Coteacher:
I really thought we were friends.
Fighting for you to get that job was a mistake because I didn't realize how incredibly selfish you were.
Your refusal to acknowledge or speak to special needs students was revolting.
You are possibly one of the dimmest bulbs I've ever encountered. "Rondon"? YOU HAVE BEEN TO LONDON. AAAAAAAAAAAAAH
When you tanked my demonstration lesson for my teaching program and I panicked and had to call my supervisor to reschedule, that was not a reason for you to stop speaking to me forever.
When you responded with insults to my CoolMessenger messages, I saved them.   :)  And I sent them to the MOE.   :)  And they were genuinely shocked at how racist you were! I'm sorry I made you cry with that, but I'm not actually sorry. Ha ha. That WAS an embarrassing meeting for you, wasn't it? It was embarrassing for me, too, because it was hard not to laugh.
When I said I was moving to China, you pulled on the corner of your eyes and started screaming CHING CHONG!!!!! Even the fourth graders were like, "wow, lady, what the hamster?"
Your attempt to ruin my classes by sitting in the back and loudly sharpening pencils was actually kind of devious. Your discomfiture and huffing the next day when you saw I'd replaced the electric sharpener with a cheap manual one from Daiso was hilarious! Also, when you got covered in pencil shavings and swore in Korean and stomped out of the room, the kids laughed.
Remember that time you got mad at me for having a window closed and then you tried to open it but then I stopped you? Remember how mad you were? Remember how the kids were laughing because you got so so so so mad?
Oh, remember that time you tried to use your computer to book a trip on Expedia, but for some reason it wouldn't load, and you got so mad that I "wouldn't" help you (because this was after you went crazy and started spewing racist shit) that you started crying? Yeah, I was also responsible for that website mysteriously being inaccessible.
Stalking me on Facebook was creepy and gross!
You would hit your boyfriend and do insane shit like lock yourself in the car when he was stuck outside in the cold. I hope you're single forever because that's the worst thing that I can imagine for you personally.

And I sat on your coat and farted on it once when you threw it on my desk like Miranda Priestly and then walked out. I still don't know what happened there, except maybe you had a Michael Scott moment, but enjoy the fart!


Other coteacher:
I have written as much about you as I feel I need to. I forgive you and I hope you forgive me, and I hope you're a lot happier with your life now. I think, ultimately, we were both scared shitless and that energy conflicted with each other. I genuinely hope you're doing better.


k bye
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: NorthStar on December 19, 2019, 06:47:54 am
Quote
You made me do the obstacle course with all the other teachers even though I had already explained to you that I have endometriosis and running during my period is extremely painful. Then you laughed at me for puking from the pain afterwards.


Ouch...though, why didn't you just say "NO"?   

Well, you post was the best (my best friend had a similar experience with 4 different co-teachers)  Which only goes to show, no matter how nice you are, how smart you are, how much you try to get along....Koreans will always bet here to sabotage you. 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: VanIslander on December 19, 2019, 07:27:15 am
"I love you!"
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: lifeisgood6447 on December 19, 2019, 07:34:25 am
So, a friend told me there's no more NET positions in Ulsan from next year, and that I should do this:

*cracks knuckles, exhales*

1st Coteacher:
You were kindness personified. The only time we ever disagreed on anything, you were gentle and respectful. I did used to get frustrated with you because you let the fifth grade boys throw things in your face, but as you may remember, I stopped that shit using some unusual tactics...and you let me. That was for you, girl, you don't deserve that bullshit. Your son was also the sweetest, most well-behaved child I have EVER taught. Our classes almost always went well, and you were so helpful to me and not resentful at all about getting me my ARC, bank account, etc. Thank you for being generous with your time and spirit. I do miss you quite a bit.

2nd Coteacher:
You teach second grade. Leather pants and a backless top? Really? Also, you were extremely imperious and condescending in the classroom- maybe that's why I didn't do "the special things do for [1st Coteacher]." I didn't ever have the chance, you see. Thank you for correcting my pronunciation! Oh, did I wrote "thank" you? I meant--

3rd Coteacher:
You are a monster.
You rearranged my apartment and gave me the silent treatment when I put it back.
You stalked me on the streets.
You told me I would be a "mean mother" because I made a kid stop hurting another kid.
You made me do the obstacle course with all the other teachers even though I had already explained to you that I have endometriosis and running during my period is extremely painful. Then you laughed at me for puking from the pain afterwards.
You called me between 11 PM-1 AM every night to ask me to make some bullshit like a "cha cha swing board game" (WHAT) for the classes the next day. If I actually had time to do it, it was never used, and if I decided not to, it was time for you to pout.
You never did decide- am I took strict, or not strict enough? Whichever it actually was, who knows, because it changed regardless of what was happening in the classroom.
You slept in the storage closet during class because you were too hungover.
You hit the students with the love stick, your hand, books.
You kicked the students.
You threw pens at the students.
Your response to my being locked in the school because I stayed late was "work faster next time." I had to call 1st Coteacher for help even though she was out sick, like, in the hospital.
You ensured that I had as little time as possible to work and eat lunch because "foreign teachers always take advantage." I had 34 teaching hours my first year. I didn't get lunch two days a week.
You made me eat soondae, you ****** toad. Like, forced me to in front of everyone, multiple times, knowing that i did not like it.
You didn't speak to me for a week because I did not buy you a watch at the duty-free. Specifically.
You didn't speak to me for a straight month because you thought I yelled at you, and refused to discuss the reason. When you finally did, you cried, and said that it was the most painful thing you had ever experienced. What had actually happened was that I said, "X-teacher, please wait one moment" because you were shouting over me when I was speaking to a hearing-impaired student, and he got upset. If my voice was louder than normal, it's because you were ****** SCREAMING.
You told me way too many details about your butthole surgery and that should never, ever happen to anyone.
You stole my printer and then told everyone I lost it. HOW DO YOU LOSE A PRINTER? Did I just, like, leave it at Homeplus or something? This is the one that really confuses me still.
You are a domestic abuser. The way you treat your husband, and crow about it, actually disgusts me.
You kept your grade level away from me for a month because a kid said they liked me more than they liked you and you got jealous. You know that's insane, right? Thanks for the extra time, though, because for that month I almost never had to come in at 7:30 to prepare!

I AM one reason you got demoted, but I am not THE reason, and I hope you know that. Other people know about you; you're FAMOUS.

Please leave me alone forever.

4th Coteacher:
I loved you. You really knew what you were doing with that age group. I have never seen such incisive and reasonable classroom management. You hated the textbooks as much as I did and had even less patience for ajusshi nonsense. I am happy you had such a lovely son, but I deeply wish you had stayed longer, because...

5th Coteacher:
HOLY SMACKBALLS DID YOU HAVE BRIAN DAMAGE? No, I really wish I knew. Ignoring two fistfights that drew blood was amazing. Trying to make students repeat the instrumental version of the Story Chant was amazing. Being hypnotised by gifs was amazing. Being unable to speak any English at all whatsoever? Uhhhhhhh not so amazing, buddy. I dearly hope you have retired and have someone taking care of you. I'm not mad anymore, but I hope like hell no one ever put you in a classroom again after you left.

6th Coteacher:
I really thought we were friends.
Fighting for you to get that job was a mistake because I didn't realize how incredibly selfish you were.
Your refusal to acknowledge or speak to special needs students was revolting.
You are possibly one of the dimmest bulbs I've ever encountered. "Rondon"? YOU HAVE BEEN TO LONDON. AAAAAAAAAAAAAH
When you tanked my demonstration lesson for my teaching program and I panicked and had to call my supervisor to reschedule, that was not a reason for you to stop speaking to me forever.
When you responded with insults to my CoolMessenger messages, I saved them.   :)  And I sent them to the MOE.   :)  And they were genuinely shocked at how racist you were! I'm sorry I made you cry with that, but I'm not actually sorry. Ha ha. That WAS an embarrassing meeting for you, wasn't it? It was embarrassing for me, too, because it was hard not to laugh.
When I said I was moving to China, you pulled on the corner of your eyes and started screaming CHING CHONG!!!!! Even the fourth graders were like, "wow, lady, what the hamster?"
Your attempt to ruin my classes by sitting in the back and loudly sharpening pencils was actually kind of devious. Your discomfiture and huffing the next day when you saw I'd replaced the electric sharpener with a cheap manual one from Daiso was hilarious! Also, when you got covered in pencil shavings and swore in Korean and stomped out of the room, the kids laughed.
Remember that time you got mad at me for having a window closed and then you tried to open it but then I stopped you? Remember how mad you were? Remember how the kids were laughing because you got so so so so mad?
Oh, remember that time you tried to use your computer to book a trip on Expedia, but for some reason it wouldn't load, and you got so mad that I "wouldn't" help you (because this was after you went crazy and started spewing racist shit) that you started crying? Yeah, I was also responsible for that website mysteriously being inaccessible.
Stalking me on Facebook was creepy and gross!
You would hit your boyfriend and do insane shit like lock yourself in the car when he was stuck outside in the cold. I hope you're single forever because that's the worst thing that I can imagine for you personally.

And I sat on your coat and farted on it once when you threw it on my desk like Miranda Priestly and then walked out. I still don't know what happened there, except maybe you had a Michael Scott moment, but enjoy the fart!


Other coteacher:
I have written as much about you as I feel I need to. I forgive you and I hope you forgive me, and I hope you're a lot happier with your life now. I think, ultimately, we were both scared shitless and that energy conflicted with each other. I genuinely hope you're doing better.


k bye

YAASSSSS. Get'em!!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: robin_teacher on December 19, 2019, 08:22:13 am
So, a friend told me there's no more NET positions in Ulsan from next year, and that I should do this:

*cracks knuckles, exhales*
...

Damn.  #3 and #6... yikes. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: alexisalex on December 19, 2019, 08:49:11 am
Does anyone else want to hear more about the leather pants and backless top coteacher?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: oglop on December 19, 2019, 09:17:38 am
I wanna know if she was hot
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on December 19, 2019, 04:38:38 pm
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You made me do the obstacle course with all the other teachers even though I had already explained to you that I have endometriosis and running during my period is extremely painful. Then you laughed at me for puking from the pain afterwards.


Ouch...though, why didn't you just say "NO"?   

She did things like that in front of everyone so she could shout and bellow and flap her arms around and look really MANAGERIAL. If I had just left, the embarrassment it would have caused her would have made my already hellish life so much worse.

I wanna know if she was hot

I mean, yes. She certainly was. She also is the one (if anyone here for some reason remembers my old posts) who was always saying "pissing" when she meant "fishing."


I actually forgot my last coteacher, so:

Nth Coteacher:
You were a huge passive-aggressive, condescending asshole, but you were mostly pretty nice, just a crappy teacher, Stop using the fact that you have three kids as an excuse to not do your job; there are many teachers who have three kids in this world without the automatic grandma babysitting service that you have built into your life. You were really pretty and I always wanted to ask why you didn't shave your armpits, because you had really long and luxurious armpit hair, and I'm genuinely curious. Was it feminism? Too busy? Fetish thing?
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: NorthStar on December 19, 2019, 04:51:33 pm
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        You made me do the obstacle course with all the other teachers even though I had already explained to you that I have endometriosis and running during my period is extremely painful. Then you laughed at me for puking from the pain afterwards.



    Ouch...though, why didn't you just say "NO"?   


She did things like that in front of everyone so she could shout and bellow and flap her arms around and look really MANAGERIAL. If I had just left, the embarrassment it would have caused her would have made my already hellish life so much worse.

I see you point and can empathize but only to an extent.  I can say what I would have done and that would be that.  I don't let anyone cause me pain, like you desribed.  But..that is just me.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on December 19, 2019, 05:34:27 pm
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        You made me do the obstacle course with all the other teachers even though I had already explained to you that I have endometriosis and running during my period is extremely painful. Then you laughed at me for puking from the pain afterwards.



    Ouch...though, why didn't you just say "NO"?   


She did things like that in front of everyone so she could shout and bellow and flap her arms around and look really MANAGERIAL. If I had just left, the embarrassment it would have caused her would have made my already hellish life so much worse.

I see you point and can empathize but only to an extent.  I can say what I would have done and that would be that.  I don't let anyone cause me pain, like you desribed.  But..that is just me.

That's nice, honey. I'm so happy for you! Rock that white-male-in-East-Asia privilege!

Really, though, you need to understand that women are treated very differently in this context and, yeah, DOY I don't "let" anyone cause me pain. I made a conscious decision to participate based on my understanding of the situation I had spent over a year in, and then made a conscious decision to publicly vomit and nobly act like I was gonna keep going. I got many pats, coos, and sneaky soju shots, and everyone gave her the stink eye all day.

e: back on here for the first time in years and I'm already annoyed...ah, well. You guys have all the dirty details I'm comfortable sharing. PEACE
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on December 19, 2019, 08:20:51 pm
So, a friend told me there's no more NET positions in Ulsan from next year, and that I should do this:

*cracks knuckles, exhales*

1st Coteacher:
You were kindness personified. The only time we ever disagreed on anything, you were gentle and respectful. I did used to get frustrated with you because you let the fifth grade boys throw things in your face, but as you may remember, I stopped that shit using some unusual tactics...and you let me. That was for you, girl, you don't deserve that bullshit. Your son was also the sweetest, most well-behaved child I have EVER taught. Our classes almost always went well, and you were so helpful to me and not resentful at all about getting me my ARC, bank account, etc. Thank you for being generous with your time and spirit. I do miss you quite a bit.

2nd Coteacher:
You teach second grade. Leather pants and a backless top? Really? Also, you were extremely imperious and condescending in the classroom- maybe that's why I didn't do "the special things do for [1st Coteacher]." I didn't ever have the chance, you see. Thank you for correcting my pronunciation! Oh, did I wrote "thank" you? I meant--

3rd Coteacher:
You are a monster.
You rearranged my apartment and gave me the silent treatment when I put it back.
You stalked me on the streets.
You told me I would be a "mean mother" because I made a kid stop hurting another kid.
You made me do the obstacle course with all the other teachers even though I had already explained to you that I have endometriosis and running during my period is extremely painful. Then you laughed at me for puking from the pain afterwards.
You called me between 11 PM-1 AM every night to ask me to make some bullshit like a "cha cha swing board game" (WHAT) for the classes the next day. If I actually had time to do it, it was never used, and if I decided not to, it was time for you to pout.
You never did decide- am I took strict, or not strict enough? Whichever it actually was, who knows, because it changed regardless of what was happening in the classroom.
You slept in the storage closet during class because you were too hungover.
You hit the students with the love stick, your hand, books.
You kicked the students.
You threw pens at the students.
Your response to my being locked in the school because I stayed late was "work faster next time." I had to call 1st Coteacher for help even though she was out sick, like, in the hospital.
You ensured that I had as little time as possible to work and eat lunch because "foreign teachers always take advantage." I had 34 teaching hours my first year. I didn't get lunch two days a week.
You made me eat soondae, you ****** toad. Like, forced me to in front of everyone, multiple times, knowing that i did not like it.
You didn't speak to me for a week because I did not buy you a watch at the duty-free. Specifically.
You didn't speak to me for a straight month because you thought I yelled at you, and refused to discuss the reason. When you finally did, you cried, and said that it was the most painful thing you had ever experienced. What had actually happened was that I said, "X-teacher, please wait one moment" because you were shouting over me when I was speaking to a hearing-impaired student, and he got upset. If my voice was louder than normal, it's because you were ****** SCREAMING.
You told me way too many details about your butthole surgery and that should never, ever happen to anyone.
You stole my printer and then told everyone I lost it. HOW DO YOU LOSE A PRINTER? Did I just, like, leave it at Homeplus or something? This is the one that really confuses me still.
You are a domestic abuser. The way you treat your husband, and crow about it, actually disgusts me.
You kept your grade level away from me for a month because a kid said they liked me more than they liked you and you got jealous. You know that's insane, right? Thanks for the extra time, though, because for that month I almost never had to come in at 7:30 to prepare!

I AM one reason you got demoted, but I am not THE reason, and I hope you know that. Other people know about you; you're FAMOUS.

Please leave me alone forever.

4th Coteacher:
I loved you. You really knew what you were doing with that age group. I have never seen such incisive and reasonable classroom management. You hated the textbooks as much as I did and had even less patience for ajusshi nonsense. I am happy you had such a lovely son, but I deeply wish you had stayed longer, because...

5th Coteacher:
HOLY SMACKBALLS DID YOU HAVE BRIAN DAMAGE? No, I really wish I knew. Ignoring two fistfights that drew blood was amazing. Trying to make students repeat the instrumental version of the Story Chant was amazing. Being hypnotised by gifs was amazing. Being unable to speak any English at all whatsoever? Uhhhhhhh not so amazing, buddy. I dearly hope you have retired and have someone taking care of you. I'm not mad anymore, but I hope like hell no one ever put you in a classroom again after you left.

6th Coteacher:
I really thought we were friends.
Fighting for you to get that job was a mistake because I didn't realize how incredibly selfish you were.
Your refusal to acknowledge or speak to special needs students was revolting.
You are possibly one of the dimmest bulbs I've ever encountered. "Rondon"? YOU HAVE BEEN TO LONDON. AAAAAAAAAAAAAH
When you tanked my demonstration lesson for my teaching program and I panicked and had to call my supervisor to reschedule, that was not a reason for you to stop speaking to me forever.
When you responded with insults to my CoolMessenger messages, I saved them.   :)  And I sent them to the MOE.   :)  And they were genuinely shocked at how racist you were! I'm sorry I made you cry with that, but I'm not actually sorry. Ha ha. That WAS an embarrassing meeting for you, wasn't it? It was embarrassing for me, too, because it was hard not to laugh.
When I said I was moving to China, you pulled on the corner of your eyes and started screaming CHING CHONG!!!!! Even the fourth graders were like, "wow, lady, what the hamster?"
Your attempt to ruin my classes by sitting in the back and loudly sharpening pencils was actually kind of devious. Your discomfiture and huffing the next day when you saw I'd replaced the electric sharpener with a cheap manual one from Daiso was hilarious! Also, when you got covered in pencil shavings and swore in Korean and stomped out of the room, the kids laughed.
Remember that time you got mad at me for having a window closed and then you tried to open it but then I stopped you? Remember how mad you were? Remember how the kids were laughing because you got so so so so mad?
Oh, remember that time you tried to use your computer to book a trip on Expedia, but for some reason it wouldn't load, and you got so mad that I "wouldn't" help you (because this was after you went crazy and started spewing racist shit) that you started crying? Yeah, I was also responsible for that website mysteriously being inaccessible.
Stalking me on Facebook was creepy and gross!
You would hit your boyfriend and do insane shit like lock yourself in the car when he was stuck outside in the cold. I hope you're single forever because that's the worst thing that I can imagine for you personally.

And I sat on your coat and farted on it once when you threw it on my desk like Miranda Priestly and then walked out. I still don't know what happened there, except maybe you had a Michael Scott moment, but enjoy the fart!


Other coteacher:
I have written as much about you as I feel I need to. I forgive you and I hope you forgive me, and I hope you're a lot happier with your life now. I think, ultimately, we were both scared shitless and that energy conflicted with each other. I genuinely hope you're doing better.


k bye

Gosh you had it rough, I have wonderful co-teachers here, I wish you luck in China, I taught at a High School there for a while and my Chinese co-workers were awesome, so I hope you have the same luck.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on December 19, 2019, 08:26:55 pm
ConfusedSaffer, I am not in Asia anymore, but thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed your time in China.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Arsalan on December 20, 2019, 02:48:20 am
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Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: kyndo on December 26, 2019, 09:56:41 am
      My coteacher had her students make me Christmas cards. I now have 2 dozen squares of construction paper, tinsel, and cookie cutter English sentences on my desk shedding glitter everywhere.
     Gestures like this are fantastic, and I wish I could tell how much I appreciate it. Unfortunately, she doesn't speak any English at all.    :sad:
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: alexisalex on December 27, 2019, 09:21:28 am
Reflecting on six years of coteachers and I don't think I've ever had any major problems but I have noticed a pattern.

In my experiences, my coteachers have mostly been kind and friendly on the surface but as soon as I've questioned something, be it something in the contract, scheduling, anything to do with the actual work, their faces suddenly change.  It's really startling actually.  Obviously the recent argument I had was the worst but that sort of thing has happened a few times.  It's like when you question something, they can't quite process what's happening.  They can't believe what's come out of your mouth and they're straight on the defensive (and even offensive - "Well in your contract you must...").  Like I say, I've experienced this with coteachers who have been absolutely lovely and kind but in an instant they change.  Very bizarre.

My theory is that they want "good little foreigners" who they can pat on the head for being handsome, liking bulgogi and speaking Korean.  They don't want foreigners who stand up for themselves and ask questions and fight their corner.  I'd go even further and say that they don't even want to discuss the actual work, ie the reason we're here.  I never imagined how bizarre this working environment would be.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: lhelena on December 27, 2019, 09:32:55 am
Reflecting on six years of coteachers and I don't think I've ever had any major problems but I have noticed a pattern.

In my experiences, my coteachers have mostly been kind and friendly on the surface but as soon as I've questioned something, be it something in the contract, scheduling, anything to do with the actual work, their faces suddenly change.  It's really startling actually.  Obviously the recent argument I had was the worst but that sort of thing has happened a few times.  It's like when you question something, they can't quite process what's happening.  They can't believe what's come out of your mouth and they're straight on the defensive (and even offensive - "Well in your contract you must...").  Like I say, I've experienced this with coteachers who have been absolutely lovely and kind but in an instant they change.  Very bizarre.

My theory is that they want "good little foreigners" who they can pat on the head for being handsome, liking bulgogi and speaking Korean.  They don't want foreigners who stand up for themselves and ask questions and fight their corner.  I'd go even further and say that they don't even want to discuss the actual work, ie the reason we're here.  I never imagined how bizarre this working environment would be.

This exact thing happened when I insisted phonics be taught. I had to stand up for myself 2 or 3 times over it. It's really crazy!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Colburnnn on December 27, 2019, 10:17:45 am
Completely agree mate, most of mine are absolutely golden on the surface. But when it comes to ANYTHING outside of the contract/questioning the contract/role at the school etc, face like thunder. It's utter madness. They MUST toe the line at all costs. When they want something from you it's all cute and kind though...

It's so strange the way they switch on a dime. I always make sure to refer to the MOE as my 'boss' and make sure they know that no funny business will be accepted. If they want to make my life difficult, I'll give it back to them. There is no need for it. And If you want me to follow EVERY single detail of the contract, then that's what I will do too. Unlike the UK, common sense is just not a thing here at all.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Nolz on December 27, 2019, 11:58:40 am
Completely agree mate, most of mine are absolutely golden on the surface. But when it comes to ANYTHING outside of the contract/questioning the contract/role at the school etc, face like thunder. It's utter madness. They MUST toe the line at all costs. When they want something from you it's all cute and kind though...

It's so strange the way they switch on a dime. I always make sure to refer to the MOE as my 'boss' and make sure they know that no funny business will be accepted. If they want to make my life difficult, I'll give it back to them. There is no need for it. And If you want me to follow EVERY single detail of the contract, then that's what I will do too. Unlike the UK, common sense is just not a thing here at all.

OMG this is sooooo validating right now. I thought I was doing something wrong. The co-teacher who fetched me when I arrived in Korea was like a mother to me. She was so caring and always making sure I was comfortable and everything is going well until one day she asked me to teach an extra class without getting paid for it. When I brought this up she turned evil, I was in disbelief.

She said it to my face that I wouldn't get a contract renewal because she is the one who handles evaluations and has all the power. I recorded everything, reported her but no one wanted to listen to those recordings. Needless to say, I became known as the stubborn person who doesn't want to follow instructions and would live the rest of my EPIK life miserable as I felt everyone now side-eyed me.

Anyways...
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: #basedcowboyshirt on December 27, 2019, 12:08:45 pm
Completely agree mate, most of mine are absolutely golden on the surface. But when it comes to ANYTHING outside of the contract/questioning the contract/role at the school etc, face like thunder. It's utter madness. They MUST toe the line at all costs. When they want something from you it's all cute and kind though...

It's so strange the way they switch on a dime. I always make sure to refer to the MOE as my 'boss' and make sure they know that no funny business will be accepted. If they want to make my life difficult, I'll give it back to them. There is no need for it. And If you want me to follow EVERY single detail of the contract, then that's what I will do too. Unlike the UK, common sense is just not a thing here at all.

OMG this is sooooo validating right now. I thought I was doing something wrong. The co-teacher who fetched me when I arrived in Korea was like a mother to me. She was so caring and always making sure I was comfortable and everything is going well until one day she asked me to teach an extra class without getting paid for it. When I brought this up she turned evil, I was in disbelief.

She said it to my face that I wouldn't get a contract renewal because she is the one who handles evaluations and has all the power. I recorded everything, reported her but no one wanted to listen to those recordings. Needless to say, I became known as the stubborn person who doesn't want to follow instructions and would live the rest of my EPIK life miserable as I felt everyone now side-eyed me.

Anyways...

See, this is one of the reasons that these things happen. First, I'll preface by saying, yes, I know there are some totally awful coteachers out there, and I have worked with my fair share of them.

But, in this particular case, this coteacher went above and beyond what she was contractually obligated to do (being caring, making sure you're comfortable, etc, acting like a mother to you), and probably felt none of that was appreciated when you started quoting the contract at her the first time she asked you for a favour in return.

Like, if she was as nice as you said she was, why wouldn't you help her out? Especially if it was the first time. It'd be different if it was a habitual, recurring thing. But she does all that for you and then one day asks you to teach an extra class and refuse? No wonder she was disappointed in you.

Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: nightninja on December 27, 2019, 12:10:28 pm
Completely agree mate, most of mine are absolutely golden on the surface. But when it comes to ANYTHING outside of the contract/questioning the contract/role at the school etc, face like thunder. It's utter madness. They MUST toe the line at all costs. When they want something from you it's all cute and kind though...

It's so strange the way they switch on a dime. I always make sure to refer to the MOE as my 'boss' and make sure they know that no funny business will be accepted. If they want to make my life difficult, I'll give it back to them. There is no need for it. And If you want me to follow EVERY single detail of the contract, then that's what I will do too. Unlike the UK, common sense is just not a thing here at all.

OMG this is sooooo validating right now. I thought I was doing something wrong. The co-teacher who fetched me when I arrived in Korea was like a mother to me. She was so caring and always making sure I was comfortable and everything is going well until one day she asked me to teach an extra class without getting paid for it. When I brought this up she turned evil, I was in disbelief.

She said it to my face that I wouldn't get a contract renewal because she is the one who handles evaluations and has all the power. I recorded everything, reported her but no one wanted to listen to those recordings. Needless to say, I became known as the stubborn person who doesn't want to follow instructions and would live the rest of my EPIK life miserable as I felt everyone now side-eyed me.

Anyways...

See, this is one of the reasons that these things happen. First, I'll preface by saying, yes, I know there are some totally awful coteachers out there, and I have worked with my fair share of them.

But, in this particular case, this coteacher went above and beyond what she was contractually obligated to do (being caring, making sure you're comfortable, etc, acting like a mother to you), and probably felt none of that was appreciated when you started quoting the contract at her the first time she asked you for a favour in return.

Like, if she was as nice as you said she was, why wouldn't you help her out? Especially if it was the first time. It'd be different if it was a habitual, recurring thing. But she does all that for you and then one day asks you to teach an extra class and refuse? No wonder she was disappointed in you.



If it was a one-time thing ok fine, but if the coteacher meant like the whole semester/year....that is a totally different thing.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Nolz on December 27, 2019, 12:14:57 pm
She asked me to do additional class for an entire year, it wasn't a one-time thing. I wouldn't fuss overtaking an extra class just once but not an entire year.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: #basedcowboyshirt on December 27, 2019, 12:17:44 pm
She asked me to do additional class for an entire year, it wasn't a one-time thing. I wouldn't fuss overtaking an extra class just once but not an entire year.

Oh. That's fair to refuse, then. Sorry I misunderstood.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on December 27, 2019, 01:21:46 pm
She asked me to do additional class for an entire year, it wasn't a one-time thing. I wouldn't fuss overtaking an extra class just once but not an entire year.

My first school tried that trick on me. Wanted me to come in each Saturday and teach extra English classes.  This was my response:

Please don't ask me to do things that go against what is stated in my contract. I am going to be feel very bad when I have to refuse.

End of story, never heard a thing again.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: OnNut81 on December 27, 2019, 03:15:12 pm
She asked me to do additional class for an entire year, it wasn't a one-time thing. I wouldn't fuss overtaking an extra class just once but not an entire year.

My first school tried that trick on me. Wanted me to come in each Saturday and teach extra English classes.  This was my response:

Please don't ask me to do things that go against what is stated in my contract. I am going to be feel very bad when I have to refuse.

End of story, never heard a thing again.

Man, you got to watch yourself in Taiwan.  I told my Korean co-teacher about your Taiwanese school trying to get you to come in on a Saturday and she was dumbfounded.  I told the Koreans kids about them trying to get you to come on a Saturday and they were flabbergasted.  I brought it up just trying to make casual conversation with the cleaning ajumma in the elevator and she was floored.  The security guard just said to me now (he's trying to learn English, bless his heart)) "See you tomorrow!"  I said "Whoa! This ain't Taiwan, I don't come in on Saturdays." We both had a laugh but I could tell he was gobsmacked. 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: NorthStar on December 27, 2019, 03:24:14 pm
She asked me to do additional class for an entire year, it wasn't a one-time thing. I wouldn't fuss overtaking an extra class just once but not an entire year.

My first school tried that trick on me. Wanted me to come in each Saturday and teach extra English classes.  This was my response:

Please don't ask me to do things that go against what is stated in my contract. I am going to be feel very bad when I have to refuse.

End of story, never heard a thing again.

Man, you got to watch yourself in Taiwan.  I told my Korean co-teacher about your Taiwanese school trying to get you to come in on a Saturday and she was dumbfounded.  I told the Koreans kids about them trying to get you to come on a Saturday and they were flabbergasted.  I brought it up just trying to make casual conversation with the cleaning ajumma in the elevator and she was floored.  The security guard just said to me now (he's trying to learn English, bless his heart)) "See you tomorrow!"  I said "Whoa! This ain't Taiwan, I don't come in on Saturdays." We both had a laugh but I could tell he was gobsmacked. 

For a public school, depending on how many students there were, how much control I would have over the content, the length of the class and how much the extra pay would be....I probably would have agreed to to it, but no EVERY Saturday.  Perhaps every other, but....that would be it.     

I could see myself doing that, for students that would be in a rural area and don't have the same advantages as their counterparts in the city have. 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on December 28, 2019, 05:08:30 am
She asked me to do additional class for an entire year, it wasn't a one-time thing. I wouldn't fuss overtaking an extra class just once but not an entire year.

My first school tried that trick on me. Wanted me to come in each Saturday and teach extra English classes.  This was my response:

Please don't ask me to do things that go against what is stated in my contract. I am going to be feel very bad when I have to refuse.

End of story, never heard a thing again.

Man, you got to watch yourself in Taiwan.  I told my Korean co-teacher about your Taiwanese school trying to get you to come in on a Saturday and she was dumbfounded.  I told the Koreans kids about them trying to get you to come on a Saturday and they were flabbergasted.  I brought it up just trying to make casual conversation with the cleaning ajumma in the elevator and she was floored.  The security guard just said to me now (he's trying to learn English, bless his heart)) "See you tomorrow!"  I said "Whoa! This ain't Taiwan, I don't come in on Saturdays." We both had a laugh but I could tell he was gobsmacked. 

Sarcasm doesn't suit you. It was Korea not Taiwan by the way.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on December 28, 2019, 05:10:00 am
She asked me to do additional class for an entire year, it wasn't a one-time thing. I wouldn't fuss overtaking an extra class just once but not an entire year.

My first school tried that trick on me. Wanted me to come in each Saturday and teach extra English classes.  This was my response:

Please don't ask me to do things that go against what is stated in my contract. I am going to be feel very bad when I have to refuse.

End of story, never heard a thing again.

Man, you got to watch yourself in Taiwan.  I told my Korean co-teacher about your Taiwanese school trying to get you to come in on a Saturday and she was dumbfounded.  I told the Koreans kids about them trying to get you to come on a Saturday and they were flabbergasted.  I brought it up just trying to make casual conversation with the cleaning ajumma in the elevator and she was floored.  The security guard just said to me now (he's trying to learn English, bless his heart)) "See you tomorrow!"  I said "Whoa! This ain't Taiwan, I don't come in on Saturdays." We both had a laugh but I could tell he was gobsmacked. 

For a public school, depending on how many students there were, how much control I would have over the content, the length of the class and how much the extra pay would be....I probably would have agreed to to it, but no EVERY Saturday.  Perhaps every other, but....that would be it.     

I could see myself doing that, for students that would be in a rural area and don't have the same advantages as their counterparts in the city have. 

It was for no extra pay.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on December 28, 2019, 05:30:39 am
Something I find very puzzling is how some people on this forum continue to take me to task if I dare mention anything about Taiwan.

It reminds me of the whole Apple haters thing from Android users. Pathetic.

Just to remind those people that I only told of my experiences here so that people that are considering moving on from Korea can have some kind of knowledge about what is available outside Korea.  That is all.

I prefer here, you prefer Korea, great. It would be boring if we all wanted and liked the same thing.  It's just a country, sheez, get over it.

By the way OnNut81, did I mention that I have taught English in 3 countries and my order of preference is:

1. Taiwan
2. China  (students were awesome, government sucks)
3. Korea

That should get you all revved up for the weekend.     :)
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: NorthStar on December 28, 2019, 09:03:36 am
She asked me to do additional class for an entire year, it wasn't a one-time thing. I wouldn't fuss overtaking an extra class just once but not an entire year.

My first school tried that trick on me. Wanted me to come in each Saturday and teach extra English classes.  This was my response:

Please don't ask me to do things that go against what is stated in my contract. I am going to be feel very bad when I have to refuse.

End of story, never heard a thing again.

Man, you got to watch yourself in Taiwan.  I told my Korean co-teacher about your Taiwanese school trying to get you to come in on a Saturday and she was dumbfounded.  I told the Koreans kids about them trying to get you to come on a Saturday and they were flabbergasted.  I brought it up just trying to make casual conversation with the cleaning ajumma in the elevator and she was floored.  The security guard just said to me now (he's trying to learn English, bless his heart)) "See you tomorrow!"  I said "Whoa! This ain't Taiwan, I don't come in on Saturdays." We both had a laugh but I could tell he was gobsmacked. 

For a public school, depending on how many students there were, how much control I would have over the content, the length of the class and how much the extra pay would be....I probably would have agreed to to it, but no EVERY Saturday.  Perhaps every other, but....that would be it.     

I could see myself doing that, for students that would be in a rural area and don't have the same advantages as their counterparts in the city have. 

It was for no extra pay.

Not even in exchange for extra vacation time, I bet.

In that case, no way.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: OnNut81 on December 30, 2019, 08:25:09 am
Something I find very puzzling is how some people on this forum continue to take me to task if I dare mention anything about Taiwan.

It reminds me of the whole Apple haters thing from Android users. Pathetic.

Just to remind those people that I only told of my experiences here so that people that are considering moving on from Korea can have some kind of knowledge about what is available outside Korea.  That is all.

I prefer here, you prefer Korea, great. It would be boring if we all wanted and liked the same thing.  It's just a country, sheez, get over it.

By the way OnNut81, did I mention that I have taught English in 3 countries and my order of preference is:

1. Taiwan
2. China  (students were awesome, government sucks)
3. Korea

That should get you all revved up for the weekend.     :)

And yet, you choose to heavily inhabit a Korean teacher's website.  A site where you like to come on telling everyone how great you have it now.  "Hey everyone in Korea, I just want you to know things are way better now and I don't miss Korea at all.  I really don't!  In fact, you're my least favourite country to teach in." One could be forgiven in thinking that maybe there is more to it than just trying to let people know about your limited experiences in Taiwan. 

For future reference, I can't get revved up by anything on here after 4:40 on a Friday.  And I live and teach in Korea.  Confusedsaffer. with all you got going on in Taiwan you're on waygook on the weekend?  Telling. 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on December 30, 2019, 09:01:45 am
Something I find very puzzling is how some people on this forum continue to take me to task if I dare mention anything about Taiwan.

It reminds me of the whole Apple haters thing from Android users. Pathetic.

Just to remind those people that I only told of my experiences here so that people that are considering moving on from Korea can have some kind of knowledge about what is available outside Korea.  That is all.

I prefer here, you prefer Korea, great. It would be boring if we all wanted and liked the same thing.  It's just a country, sheez, get over it.

By the way OnNut81, did I mention that I have taught English in 3 countries and my order of preference is:

1. Taiwan
2. China  (students were awesome, government sucks)
3. Korea

That should get you all revved up for the weekend.     :)

And yet, you choose to heavily inhabit a Korean teacher's website.  A site where you like to come on telling everyone how great you have it now.  "Hey everyone in Korea, I just want you to know things are way better now and I don't miss Korea at all.  I really don't!  In fact, you're my least favourite country to teach in." One could be forgiven in thinking that maybe there is more to it than just trying to let people know about your limited experiences in Taiwan. 

For future reference, I can't get revved up by anything on here after 4:40 on a Friday.  And I live and teach in Korea.  Confusedsaffer. with all you got going on in Taiwan you're on waygook on the weekend?  Telling. 

You missed the point entirely.

1. It was to provide information for people, despite what you claim.
2. I come here to read stuff and to use my subscription.
3. I don't have limited experience, been here more than a year, been to many schools and many places in Taiwan.
4. I tried to tell you that we all have different likes and dislikes, I am happy you like it there, I like it here, just a simple fact. Nothing to get all excited about.

Anyhoo........ no point in discussing this any further, let's agree to disagree.

Cheers, have a good day.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: OnNut81 on December 30, 2019, 03:01:15 pm
My response to confusedsaffer was removed for what reason?  Can people just complain that they don't like a post and have it removed?  Is that part of the TOS?  That would be pretty weak reasoning. 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: L I on December 30, 2019, 04:43:02 pm
You're rude towards people a lot. That goes against the site's terms of service.

*********** TOS ***************

By using Waygook.org, you agree to abide by the following Terms and Conditions:

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing[1]

[1] The definition of harassing shall be understood as (but not solely limited to) intimidating, pressuring, verbal attacks or otherwise unwanted behavior against a person.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: NorthStar on December 30, 2019, 06:58:46 pm
I've said worse, to golizard.  He's a lazy, yet aspiring power ranger.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: kyndo on December 30, 2019, 07:45:35 pm
  Yes! Let's all rehash here all the horrible things we've said to one another and that have earned us warnings and mutings. Excellent idea! It's not as if Kyndo has anything better to do than delete and/or modify comments all day long!

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/rFvtiIevmj0zu/giphy.gif)

...
...
... I wish that I could tell the coworkers that I'm daytripping to another part of the country with that no, I *don't* actually know that random foreigner, and *yes* it would be kinda creepy to go over and talk with him/her/it.  :-[
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Cohort 2019 on December 31, 2019, 03:19:16 am
 Excellent idea!  ;D
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: OnNut81 on December 31, 2019, 07:54:32 am
You're rude towards people a lot. That goes against the site's terms of service.

*********** TOS ***************

By using Waygook.org, you agree to abide by the following Terms and Conditions:

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing[1]

[1] The definition of harassing shall be understood as (but not solely limited to) intimidating, pressuring, verbal attacks or otherwise unwanted behavior against a person.

Just responding to claims people have made shouldn't be considered rude.  Also, if being rude is somehow a standard that is applicable, as opposed to being objective, it would need to be applied universally.  This site is rife with comments that are over the top rude that stand.  Selective deletion is a slippery slope. 
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: kyndo on December 31, 2019, 08:01:24 am
Excellent idea!  ;D
:cry:
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Mister Tim on December 31, 2019, 08:09:11 am
You're rude towards people a lot. That goes against the site's terms of service.

*********** TOS ***************

By using Waygook.org, you agree to abide by the following Terms and Conditions:

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing[1]

[1] The definition of harassing shall be understood as (but not solely limited to) intimidating, pressuring, verbal attacks or otherwise unwanted behavior against a person.

Just responding to claims people have made shouldn't be considered rude.  Also, if being rude is somehow a standard that is applicable, as opposed to being objective, it would need to be applied universally.  This site is rife with comments that are over the top rude that stand.  Selective deletion is a slippery slope. 

I don't make a habit of reporting people (I've only done it twice in 6+ years on this site), but I reported one of the site's more obnoxiously rude regulars when he was on a particularly cantankerous streak, including directly insulting multiple posters. I got a reply from Admin pretty much saying "Sucks, but he isn't breaking any rules, so we won't do anything. Sorry not sorry." If your post was deleted for being rude, then they're being very selective about how/who they moderate.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: kyndo on December 31, 2019, 09:54:32 am
     It might just depend on which mod stumbles across it.
    When a comment is reported, whoever deals with the issue then closes it (so that not everybody ends up giving the poster a warning for the same comment, which would end up possibly muting somebody for something minor) so that it doesn't show up anymore.
   Because of this, it's possible that similar issues might have slightly different responses.  :undecided:
   Apologies if it doesn't sound fair, but the alternative would be dealing with everything by committee, and that would probably offend all of the anti-socialists among us!  :wink:
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: CO2 on December 31, 2019, 09:56:54 am
   Apologies if it doesn't sound fair, but the alternative would be dealing with everything by committee, and that would probably offend all of the anti-socialists among us!  :wink:

Understood, Comrade
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: kyndo on December 31, 2019, 11:45:04 am
Understood, Comrade
Coincidentally, this response is one that I occasionally want to say to my coteachers, but I'm afraid of getting reported to the Korean anti-commie Stasi (113).
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: JNM on December 31, 2019, 05:52:29 pm
“Rude” can’t really be used as a standard because it is really only measured by the victim.

If I tell my American friend to stop being a c*nt... that’s rude. My Australian friend, however, would appreciate being called out.

(Your American or Australian friends may differ.)
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: LIC on January 07, 2020, 03:57:24 pm
“Rude” can’t really be used as a standard because it is really only measured by the victim.

If I tell my American friend to stop being a c*nt... that’s rude. My Australian friend, however, would appreciate being called out.

(Your American or Australian friends may differ.)

So true. It's a cultural thing. As a Canadian, I consider the word as profoundly ignorant as it can possibly get. I have never heard a Canadian use the word as an insult or put-down. As a description for female anatomy, yes.

I had a Kiwi friend tell me to stop being a C***  because he didn't like something I wrote about another person. I texted him "Lose my number dude, and never speak to me or my wife again."

I heard he moved back to NZ recently. We never exchanged another word.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: oglop on January 07, 2020, 04:16:40 pm
“Rude” can’t really be used as a standard because it is really only measured by the victim.

If I tell my American friend to stop being a c*nt... that’s rude. My Australian friend, however, would appreciate being called out.

(Your American or Australian friends may differ.)

So true. It's a cultural thing. As a Canadian, I consider the word as profoundly ignorant as it can possibly get. I have never heard a Canadian use the word as an insult or put-down. As a description for female anatomy, yes.

I had a Kiwi friend tell me to stop being a C***  because he didn't like something I wrote about another person. I texted him "Lose my number dude, and never speak to me or my wife again."

I heard he moved back to NZ recently. We never exchanged another word.
ya daft cunt
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Cyanea on January 14, 2020, 12:57:08 am
“Rude” can’t really be used as a standard because it is really only measured by the victim.

If I tell my American friend to stop being a c*nt... that’s rude. My Australian friend, however, would appreciate being called out.

(Your American or Australian friends may differ.)

Generally Americans don't use rude words, but they act rude or obnoxious.

Brits though use a lot of rude words and don't take them seriously. But they have better manners and behaviour.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: LIC on January 14, 2020, 11:52:36 am
I miss my co-teachers and two have actually vacationed and visited me and my wife. I was fortunate, I never had a nasty co-teacher my entire time in Korea. A couple I became quite friendly with and socialized.

If I could tell any of them anything, I would say come and visit me in the tropics.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: oglop on January 14, 2020, 11:59:45 am
^ can someone ban this guy? if not for any other reason than being the world's shittest troll
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: theman3285 on January 14, 2020, 12:07:39 pm
Trolling from the tropics. Love it
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: alexisalex on January 14, 2020, 12:13:47 pm
LIC reminds me a lot of Pecan.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: LIC on January 14, 2020, 12:22:00 pm
^ can someone ban this guy? if not for any other reason than being the world's shittest troll

If I get banned for spreading the truth, you gotta get banned for terrible spelling!
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: oglop on January 14, 2020, 02:33:02 pm
^ can someone ban this guy? if not for any other reason than being the world's shittest troll

If I get banned for spreading the truth, you gotta get banned for terrible spelling!
what
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: CO2 on April 23, 2020, 10:03:56 am
dear co2
You're amazing! Your teaching style reflects how much u care about teaching and how well controlled the classes are clearly shows your prowess and professionalism in teaching. This was further confirmed after the new semester changed and u taught B classes instead of A class that co1 taught who were out of control. Thank you for sharing and caring about your life while hearing about mine and showing geniune interest in what happens to my life instead of all the bad things like co1 does.

You're too kind.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: shanebarry1986 on April 23, 2020, 10:16:31 am
Generally Americans don't use rude words, but they act rude or obnoxious.

Brits though use a lot of rude words and don't take them seriously. But they have better manners and behaviour.

This is great.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: Mr C on April 23, 2020, 01:27:05 pm
If I get banned for spreading the truth, you gotta get banned for terrible spelling!
You will never get banned for telling the truth.  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: NorthStar on April 23, 2020, 01:31:43 pm
I would tell my co-teacher that there is an interesting video on Youtube, regarding one's first impressions of Korea back in the 1600's....
Title: Re: Thing I wish I could tell my co-teacher
Post by: thunderlips on April 23, 2020, 03:21:37 pm
I’m sick of smelling your farts, go fart in the bathroom like a normal human.