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Title: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: AliG on November 16, 2009, 02:11:15 pm
hey to fellow Canadians!!! I have a friend who is coming in february, she got her criminal check in Vancouver but the refuse to give her the original, saying they only ever give out copies, but EPIK won't except a copy. Did anyone else get their criminal reference check in Vancouver and know how to get around this?? THANK YOU
Title: Re: criminal reference check CANADA
Post by: nancy on November 17, 2009, 09:07:31 am
Hi, We had to get our criminal checks notarized by a lawyer/ notary  as we only receive copies in K-w Ontario. Will EPIK accept it with notary papers? Good luck!
Title: Re: criminal reference check CANADA
Post by: sonya on November 17, 2009, 09:26:08 am
They accepted my notarized copy!

Sonya
Title: Re: criminal reference check CANADA
Post by: KALM on November 18, 2009, 01:04:48 pm
They also accepted my notarized copy(they actually wanted that one as I did have the original) but I had to get the Consulate of Korea to put official stamps on the notarized copy in addition.

It was a lot of running around for one piece of paper
Title: Re: criminal reference check CANADA
Post by: AliG on November 19, 2009, 01:56:29 pm
hmm K i will let her know.. though EPIK said it had to be original... i will tell her to take it up with the consulate!!

Thank you
Title: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: SOUL on February 07, 2011, 01:01:32 pm
Hi, everyone.

I have a question about the criminal record check from RCMP.
I was wondering, when can I receive my criminal record check from RCMP.
I sent mine on November and still waiting (almost 3 months).
Anyone got there papers earlier?  How long did you wait for it?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: snailbait on February 07, 2011, 01:04:07 pm
You shouldnt have to wait that long.  I am from Vancouver, so had to get mine through the VPD and it didnt take much longer than four weeks.  I was under the impression that the RCMP had them out quicker than that.  You should contact your local branch and see what's up.
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: SOUL on February 09, 2011, 07:55:28 am
I applied my CRC (RCMP) in Korea. 
So I should get the letter from RCMP less than 4 weeks?
Wow~~~
On RCMP website, they mentioned that we have to wait 120days.  Not true?
Please help me.  (should I apply CRC again?)
Thank you.
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: eggplant_tyrant on February 09, 2011, 08:08:06 am
On the RCMP website, they specifically say that mailed-in applications should take about 8 weeks, but can take 120 days or more, and that you shouldn't contact them asking where it is until after those 120 days are up.

Also, a heads-up to any other Canadians out there -- even though your city/provincial police department may be in charge of administering national-level criminal record checks in your region, and even though they consult the same national database that the RCMP does, unless you specifically have a CRC from the RCMP (as in, it says RCMP on the paper), immigration will not accept it. Even if the Korean consulate back home stamps it. Maybe you'll get lucky and be able to argue it through / get someone at immigration who doesn't care, but the official policy is to reject anything that is not specifically issued by the RCMP.
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: m1zk0 on February 09, 2011, 08:09:28 am
I had to send mine through the Ottawa branch to get the national check and it took three months or so to get it back.
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: m1zk0 on February 09, 2011, 08:10:38 am
(and as a side-note, mine came back on RCMP letterhead).
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: midnight_runner on February 09, 2011, 08:19:48 am
Does anyone know why a 3 day process in Canada takes 3 months abroad? At this point I'm ready to send my ID home and pay my sister to fill in the paperwork for me. GAH!!!!
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: Hornet166616 on February 09, 2011, 08:31:35 am
@eggplant

I was actually quite confused about this when doing my application in summer 2010. My recruiter also said it should be RCMP but when I went to the police department they refused to do it for me saying that the CRC's were now provided by the local (Ottawa) police department. I told them my concerns about how RCMP was specifically required and they assured me to "trust them", they have been doing this for a while with no problems at all. I was nervous but I went got the local CRC (with the check from the national database of course) and everything was fine, no problems at all.

I'm not sure if local CRC's are acceptable everywhere or if only some regions of Canada are exempt from getting the RCMP check, but obviously Ottawa police checks are sufficient. I was told that there was too much demand on the RCMP for the CRC's and that's why they were delegating the responsibility to the local agencies (at least in Ottawa). It was nice though because they completed my check while I waited which was about a 10 minute process.

It would be nice if recruiters and other immigration information sources would be more consistant and accurate about what is required.
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: eggplant_tyrant on February 09, 2011, 08:57:11 am
@Hornet

Yeah, that's the thing -- in certain areas, only the local police will perform the check. However, Korean immigration doesn't seem to understand this (or be willing to believe that it could be so). I have specifically been told by multiple people at immigration that as of January 1, 2011, they simply don't care whether or not you have something that explicitly states that it's a national-level check unless it comes directly from the RCMP. They have refused a national-level check that was obtained from the Winnipeg police department and stamped by the consulate back in Canada.
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: josephus on February 10, 2011, 08:02:37 am
Is the 3-4 month wait mostly for those found with a criminal background, or for everyone submitting? I'm confused by a post on the RCMP site regarding this reasoning for the wait, claiming those with criminal backgrounds apparently wait longer. I could have misread or misunderstood something.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: eggplant_tyrant on February 10, 2011, 08:56:52 am
According to their website, it's only supposed to be for those with a criminal record (fingerprints brought up a match), OR for anyone whose application had to be processed manually (presumably, not all of the fingerprints were clear enough for the computer to pick them up). However, I imagine they've been experiencing a heavier-than-normal load as a result of these new regulations, so their processing times are probably longer than usual.
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: schlotzy on February 10, 2011, 08:59:25 am
Don't want to freak you out, but I sent mine in late October and I'm still waiting! I think I'm gonna have to forfeit my next job because of it. (And no, I definitely don't have a criminal record)
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: teacher_del on March 03, 2011, 09:26:50 am
Where do I look for the form to apply to the RCMP? Where do I get my fingerprints done in Korea?
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: m1zk0 on March 03, 2011, 09:33:25 am
you can download the form online and print it off. you can get fingerprints done at any police station, just like at home.
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: K04 on March 03, 2011, 09:40:52 am
Hey Guys;

   Sorry just stumbled onto this thread.  So as of Jan 1, 2011 Canadians now also have to get a nationwide police check from the RCMP?  Which contract requires this?  I'm with EPIK and when I came here in August my criminal check through the OPP was fine.  I am probably going to renew my contract (which would be for Sept, so 6 months away) but would like to know since this can take around 3 months to be done.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: anigerla on March 03, 2011, 09:46:16 am
I was wondering same. I am going to reapply through EPIK for another city. I have talked to co-ordinator and he said that national level check copy (not sure if mine is RCMP) that has been submitted for my previous contract can be reused. I only have to get it from my current POE with a stamp from that POE and get a background check in Korea through local police station.
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: dbtm on March 03, 2011, 09:48:10 am
I got a E2 in Feb 2011 with a check on edmonton police service letterhead. Vancouver consulate had no problem with it.
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: up_do on March 03, 2011, 09:53:45 am
I was wondering same. I am going to reapply through EPIK for another city. I have talked to co-ordinator and he said that national level check copy (not sure if mine is RCMP) that has been submitted for my previous contract can be reused. I only have to get it from my current POE with a stamp from that POE and get a background check in Korea through local police station.

Did your POE say the same thing for your apostillled degree? I don't want to have to go through that process again too to resign :S
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: moe101 on March 03, 2011, 09:54:11 am
I did mine at the Richmond RCMP (Vancouver) took all of 30 minuets to get it. I don't know about mailing tho, the wait does seem a bit ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: weezy on March 03, 2011, 10:08:26 am
I think if you are renewing you won't need a criminal check.  This has been told to me by a recruiter... but sadly so many confusing messages here.

I was told as long as you don't leave the country within in 30 days or something you won't need to get a new one... not even if you switch schools.  You would just get a copy from Immigration or your school.  If you are staying in the same province then I think you'd likely be safe, fingers crossed.
 
I did mine at the local CDN police department twice now and never had an issue, perhaps this will be one as of Jan 1,2011.  I think that if you think you're screwed for time, do the regional one and apply for RCMP.... they literally took 4-5 months the last time for me in 2008 and I had the regional one completed in 2 weeks and had it express posted out.

Now the regional one's are getting more of a nuisance as well... insisting that you have someone witness that you are really you in SK... cause heaven forbid you'd want a family member to pick it up for you and mail it out, hehe

My point is double up on the applications and hope for the best, I would think that the regional would suffice until the RCMP more expensive piece of paper arrived!

Best of luck!!!
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: Davox on March 10, 2011, 12:34:55 pm

My point is double up on the applications and hope for the best, I would think that the regional would suffice until the RCMP more expensive piece of paper arrived!


Be a little bit careful about this.  I went in with a national level (but from a local police dept) check that had been stamped and approved by the consulate in Canada...and immigration initially refused to accept it.   My co-teacher then argued and held up the line for over an hour at the immigration office.  Eventually they decided it was more trouble than it was worth and approved it...but only if I promised that I would forward the "real" RCMP check when it came in.  So while it can be done, if your co-teacher is less awesome than mine (and mine is pretty awesome) you could be in real trouble if you walk into immigration with a non-RCMP check.
Title: Yet another CBC headache.
Post by: teacher_del on April 25, 2011, 09:50:32 am
I have to leave Korea this summer.  This was NOT the plan.  As a result, I had the RCMP ship me the official criminal record fingerprinting forms, but do not need them.  If you want them, I'll mail them to you.  Post a note in this thread that you PMed me, and PM me the address. 

 :'(
Title: Re: FREE: RCMP fingerprinting forms
Post by: cberg on April 26, 2011, 08:21:15 am
Hey,

I'd like the fingerprinting forms please.

I PM'd you my address.

Thanks.
Title: Re: FREE: RCMP fingerprinting forms
Post by: teacher_del on April 26, 2011, 01:38:55 pm
Okay, then, thread closed!  :)
Title: Re: FREE: RCMP fingerprinting forms
Post by: Cuthbuerto on April 26, 2011, 01:45:04 pm
Hey teacher_del,

Just curious as to why you were going to need them here?  I am actually going home in the summer, too.  I'm going to teacher's college and need to have the background check before school starts Sept. 1st.  However, I'm not supposed to go home until the end of August and there's no way I can do it all then, so I'd have to break my contract to go home early and do it. 
Is there a way to do all the checks here in Korea?  I saw something about the background check being possible, but the vulnerable sectors check didn't say if it's possible.  Just wondering if you could point me in the right direction.
Thanks!
Title: Re: FREE: RCMP fingerprinting forms
Post by: teacher_del on April 26, 2011, 03:46:58 pm
I needed them because I was going to renew my contract.  As of today, I officially am not.  (I am now Dead Woman Walking in my school, and it makes me sad.) 

You can do a criminal background check from Korea.  You just need the forms, which the RCMP can send out to you pretty quickly.  If ALL the required information is given, it's okay to use a form from the Korean police station, but it's missing some things that are on the Canadian form.  Check the RCMP website for details.  You can add the missing info to Korean forms, if necessary. 

For anyone reading along:  you cannot get a vulnerable sector RCMP check for overseas work, such as teaching in Korea.  They just don't do it.  I asked.  They don't.  I hope the standard check will suffice, since the choices are a) local police station check (of the national database, of course) with the VS designation or b) RCMP check without it.  Non-RCMP checks have been rejected. 

For you:  I'm pretty sure you can get a VS check from Korea for teaching work in Canada.  Just state that that is your purpose for applying for the check.  You'll need to check the RCMP website to be sure I'm not talking out of my hat, of course.  Email them.  The link is on the criminal background check webpage.  I suggest you request forms at the same time.  It's not technically an address for inquiries, but the agent/officer/whatever who replied did answer the question I'd attached to my form request.  :)

The form is not downloadable from the RCMP website, unfortunately.  I had to ask them to mail one to me.  It took about two weeks. 
Title: Re: FREE: RCMP fingerprinting forms
Post by: Cuthbuerto on April 26, 2011, 05:43:31 pm
Thanks for the info.!  Hope all works out for you back home. :)
Title: Re: FREE: RCMP fingerprinting forms
Post by: taeyang on April 26, 2011, 09:14:07 pm
wait, wait, wait.

we have to get new criminal background checks done before we can renew our contracts? is this true?

i'm canadian, and with epik... should i plan ahead and get this ball rolling? i'd be renewing a contract that ends in august.
Title: Re: FREE: RCMP fingerprinting forms
Post by: teacher_del on April 27, 2011, 09:16:15 am
we have to get new criminal background checks done before we can renew our contracts? is this true?
The check is needed to renew your E-2 visa, which allows you to renew your contract... or so we think.

There's some debate.  Some people say that if you last changed your visa before some magical date (I think it was September 1st), that you have a one-year grace period before you have to submit a new background check.  No one seems to have successfully renewed theirs yet, however.  It might be too early to tell.  Since it can take a few months to get your check back, you should look into this in earnest for yourself, right now.

If your original check was done by the RCMP, then I believe it is is still good either way.


Here's what you need to get your RCMP check: 
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If you are submitting your criminal record check from outside of Canada:
contact the nearest police force which offers fingerprinting services.
The RCMP will accept fingerprint forms from foreign countries that contain the following:
  • --rolled and flat impressions of all ten fingers taken with black ink
  • --full name, date of birth and sex of the applicant
  • --the name and address of the police agency
  • --the signature of the official taking the fingerprints
Depending on the police jurisdiction, a fee may be required.
Title: Re: FREE: RCMP fingerprinting forms
Post by: taeyang on April 27, 2011, 12:43:16 pm
we have to get new criminal background checks done before we can renew our contracts? is this true?
The check is needed to renew your E-2 visa, which allows you to renew your contract... or so we think.

There's some debate.  Some people say that if you last changed your visa before some magical date (I think it was September 1st), that you have a one-year grace period before you have to submit a new background check.  No one seems to have successfully renewed theirs yet, however.  It might be too early to tell.  Since it can take a few months to get your check back, you should look into this in earnest for yourself, right now.

If your original check was done by the RCMP, then I believe it is is still good either way.


Here's what you need to get your RCMP check: 
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If you are submitting your criminal record check from outside of Canada:
contact the nearest police force which offers fingerprinting services.
The RCMP will accept fingerprint forms from foreign countries that contain the following:
  • --rolled and flat impressions of all ten fingers taken with black ink
  • --full name, date of birth and sex of the applicant
  • --the name and address of the police agency
  • --the signature of the official taking the fingerprints
Depending on the police jurisdiction, a fee may be required.

ah ridiculous.

i will make a new thread about it i think. it's a little frustrating trying to slosh around the archives, searching for "e-2 visa renewal"
Title: Re: FREE: RCMP fingerprinting forms
Post by: Davox on April 29, 2011, 07:53:15 am
Just a note, they ARE rejecting non-RCMP checks.  I know, because they initially rejected mine.  My co-teacher had to argue with them for over an hour, holding up the line, until they said "fine, we'll take your check, This Time..."   I incorrectly assumed they'd want a local with vulnerable sector check over an RCMP without.  I was wrong.  The fact that the RCMP won't do a VS check (unless they also happen to be your local/only police force too) is the reason that Korea actually no longer requires a vulnerable sector check.  I find this both ironic and sad.  Anyway, point is, unless the form says RCMP on it, they'll say no, and you'll be out of luck.  So get started now.
Title: Re: FREE: RCMP fingerprinting forms
Post by: Billy on April 29, 2011, 07:59:26 am
If you email the embassy they will send the fingerprint form to your apt the next day (in Seoul).
Title: Re: FREE: RCMP fingerprinting forms
Post by: piyopayo on April 29, 2011, 08:05:56 am
I requested the form from the RCMP back in Novemeber, but I never got one from them. Eventually, I went to the embassy in Seoul and got one. I went to my local police station, not the smaller branch, and got it down with them for free. Then I mailed it to Ottawa, but I haven't heard from them since then. It must have been 5 months now. Luckily, I changed my visa from an E2 to a F2, so I didn't need it after all.
 
Title: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: Wretchard on May 30, 2011, 11:53:04 am
Ok... Got my fingerprint form but it has 2 sections that have me confused...

"Fingerprinting Agency/Department" and "Contributing Agency/Department"

Korean Police for the first... but what is the contributing agency?

And then what? send the form to Canada to be taken to an RCMP office, give them the form, and get the criminal record check?

When I go to immigration to renew my visa do I need to have a fingerprint form? Or is this only needed on the Canada side of things?

Getting more confused each day with all of this stuff...
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: Wretchard on May 30, 2011, 12:39:47 pm
Anyone?
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: teacher_del on May 30, 2011, 01:33:09 pm
what is the contributing agency?
I don't know.  Sorry. 

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And then what? send the form to Canada to be taken to an RCMP office, give them the form, and get the criminal record check?
Yes.  If there's some magical way to get a Canadian money order from here, you can send it directly to the RCMP office yourself, but I don't know of any way to obtain one in Korea.  You'll have to have a friend or family member obtain acceptable payment (certified cheque or Canadian money order) and then send your forms and money to the RCMP on your behalf.

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When I go to immigration to renew my visa do I need to have a fingerprint form?
When you go to immigration you will need the criminal record check.  You will not need the fingerprint form.  I'm not sure if the check has to be certified or apostilled or whatever, though. 

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Getting more confused each day with all of this stuff...
You are FAR from the only one. Good luck!
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: taeyang on May 30, 2011, 01:42:28 pm
so canadians do need a new CBC when they renew their E2 visas?

i have the form, but i'm yet to get my prints done -_-
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: Abryce on May 30, 2011, 02:35:00 pm
Uhhhh...There shouldn't be a finger print form necessary for Canadian Criminal record checks. The RCMP don't run them through any system. In Canada the RC's run your ID. The FBI does run that check for Americans but the RCMP don't. Plus you have to apply in person at an RCMP branch to get a criminal record check. And even if this has changed and the Koreans want it there will be much more confusion and diassapointment when ALL of the Canadians inform them they can't get them.
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: up_do on May 30, 2011, 03:08:15 pm
Hey,

Why are you getting your fingerprints done? You don't need a Canadian criminal record check completed for renewing this year. You just need a Korean police record check. However, if you want to renew again in 2012 you will need a new RCMP and not Provincial criminal record check and/or a Korean police record check.

When you do need to get a new RCMP criminal record check next year you need to bring your own fingerprinting form to the local police station (I'm in Dobong-Gu, Seoul) as they said they don't provide a fingerprinting form that you need to send to the RCMP in order to get your RCMP criminal record check. As such:

"you can obtain an RCMP C-216C form by contacting CFSS e-mail at civilnps@rcmp-grc.gc.ca and provide the following information:
 your name
 mailing address, and
 specify the number of forms required." Apparently you should request a few forms as you may want to take several fingerprints to ensure good quality. Then when you have your fingerprints, you send the following to the stated address in this document: http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/korea-coree/assets/pdfs/CRC-AVC-2010.pdf

This website is handy: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cr-cj/fing-empr2-eng.htm

I hope this helps,
Erika :)
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: Wretchard on May 30, 2011, 03:22:23 pm
Here is the best info I can find...

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cr-cj/fing-empr2-eng.htm

Here is my first problem.. "Forward your request with all relevant documents by mail or courier.
Note: Hand-delivered fingerprint submissions will not be accepted by local RCMP offices."

I was planning on just sending the fingerprint form home, with the other things on the list, and getting my mother to take it to the nearest RCMP branch. But says hand-delivered fingerprints won't be accepted? WTH?

Yes, on another document (I have it attached) that the embassy sent me, says nothing about this, but there is a link to the page above.
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: Wretchard on May 30, 2011, 03:26:11 pm
Why are you getting your fingerprints done? You don't need a Canadian criminal record check completed for renewing this year. You just need a Korean police record check. However, if you want to renew again in 2012 you will need a new RCMP and not Provincial criminal record check and/or a Korean police record check.

Sorry but you are wrong.

"As of January 1, 2011, the Korean Immigration Service will
implement new regulations related to the issuance of E-2 work
visas. Anyone who wishes to work as an ESL teacher in Korea
must provide a criminal record check issued by RCMP in Canada
and it should be notarised by the Canadian Embassy/Consulate
before submission to the Korean Immigration office."

Stated clearly on the pdf file I attached above.
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: taeyang on May 30, 2011, 03:29:28 pm
Uhhhh...There shouldn't be a finger print form necessary for Canadian Criminal record checks. The RCMP don't run them through any system. In Canada the RC's run your ID. The FBI does run that check for Americans but the RCMP don't. Plus you have to apply in person at an RCMP branch to get a criminal record check. And even if this has changed and the Koreans want it there will be much more confusion and diassapointment when ALL of the Canadians inform them they can't get them.


that's a little bit impossible... how can we apply for a RCMP CBC in person when we're out of the country?

solution: apply for it during a vacation! again... impossible as immigration won't take CBC's that are older than sixth months...

back to the drawing board?


but someone has answered my question above! canadians DON'T need a new CBC for a visa renewal. that's wonderful news. i will hold onto my fingerprint forms for next year...!
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: taeyang on May 30, 2011, 03:32:33 pm
Why are you getting your fingerprints done? You don't need a Canadian criminal record check completed for renewing this year. You just need a Korean police record check. However, if you want to renew again in 2012 you will need a new RCMP and not Provincial criminal record check and/or a Korean police record check.

Sorry but you are wrong.

"As of January 1, 2011, the Korean Immigration Service will
implement new regulations related to the issuance of E-2 work
visas. Anyone who wishes to work as an ESL teacher in Korea
must provide a criminal record check issued by RCMP in Canada
and it should be notarised by the Canadian Embassy/Consulate
before submission to the Korean Immigration office."

Stated clearly on the pdf file I attached above.

are you sure this is for a renewal, and not a NEW visa? i just want to make sure.  :D
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: Billy on May 30, 2011, 03:34:03 pm
The contributing agency doesn't apply to you. Leave it blank. It's for people getting sposored into the country...or something like that.

I went throught this a month ago. I mailed it to Canada and had a family member mail it from there. It was done in under 2 weeks because my name and birthdate didn't match with any criminals.

Let me know if you need any more info.
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: Wretchard on May 30, 2011, 03:59:16 pm
are you sure this is for a renewal, and not a NEW visa? i just want to make sure.  :D

I signed my renewal papers the other day and at the bottom it said I needed apostilled degree and apostilled CRC.
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: Wretchard on May 30, 2011, 04:05:32 pm
Awesome news for all of us renewing in August...

Hello Teachers,

Just to be very clear.

If you are renewing August 25th 2011, you will not need to provide a new Federal level CRC apostilled or the apostilled diploma.

IF you do have plans to stay longer, if you are renewing in March 1, 2012 or August 25th 2012, YOU WILL NEED to provide Federal level Criminal Record checks with apostilled and copy of your diploma apostilled.

**if you are Canadian, you will need both documents "Notarized"

This applies to all SMOE teachers with, even with E2, F2, F4 visas.

Thank you,

Jon Pak
Lead Coordinator
SMOE


http://etis.sen.go.kr/notice/board.do?cmd=view&bcfNo=603469&bNo=101070898
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: Davox on May 30, 2011, 04:09:55 pm
Here is my experience with the requirements, based on my research and understanding of the issues.  As always with Korea, you may get a nicer or angrier person behind the desk and get different answers.
On when it's required:
In general, they do require an RCMP check.  For just about everything, if you get a grumpy immigration agent, or if you only gotten non-RCMP ones before.  One exception: existing teachers who renew at the exact same job can have a 1 year grace period before needing the specifically RCMP check, but that also depends on how nice your immigration agent is feeling.  Also, after you get the RCMP one on your next re-new, new visa, you'll never be asked for a back home check again, as long as you stay in Korea.  Supposedly.
On the check itself:
It doesn't matter if it's vulnerable sector anymore, but it HAS TO be RCMP.  If it's not on RCMP letterhead, immigration won't accept it.  I found this out the hard way.
On why the process is so annoying from the Canadian end:
The RCMP will often (not always, but often) refuse to do the check if you "live" in an area in Canada with their own municipal or provincial police force.  They don't want to be bothered with checks if they don't have to. They figure that if you're local enough to hand it to them, you're local enough to be bothering your local force instead.  That's why you have to mail the request form in.  That's also why the form needs fingerprints, because you are not there in person to verify your ID*.   The only exceptions to this (as far as I know) are rural places with no local force, ie. where the RCMP is the only force.  THEN you can just walk in. The RCMP can afford to take this position because in Canada all the forces check the same national criminal database.  Korea is not aware of this fact, and probably wouldn't change their minds even if they were.

Just be happy that you'll (supposedly) only have to do it once, then you can just do Korean police checks for every contract renewal or job change afterwards.  Unless the law changes again, which it will.

*This is also why the RCMP doesn't do vunerable sector by mail; you're supposed to be bugging your local guys for that kind of stuff.  Which is why Korea no longer requires Canadians to get a vulnerable sector check, because otherwise the check couldn't be  an RCMP one for many Canadians.
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: Wretchard on May 30, 2011, 04:16:31 pm
Thanks Davox... Great info!
Title: Re: Canadian Fingerprint Form
Post by: taeyang on May 30, 2011, 05:12:52 pm
ah-ha!

thank you to everyone who's posted here. good info :D.

i think i will send in for a CBC then ;)
Title: Help!! Canadian criminal record check dilemma!
Post by: Horus on June 02, 2011, 12:35:23 am
My contract finished. I'm in Canada, but will be returning to Korea in three weeks. I want to have my new CBC taken care of while I'm here. But here in Ontario the police stations now only do criminal checks for people who reside in their jurisdiction. If you can't show residency they won't do it. I'm now a non-resident of Canada, so have no permanent address here. They asked where I last lived in Canada. I said British Columbia and they say I have to get it done there!!!! What on earth is going on? I've never had a problem like this before getting a CBC done in Canada.

If anyone can offer me some advice here I'd really appreciate it.
Title: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: Horus on June 07, 2011, 04:44:04 am
On another thread I read a post saying 'vulnerable sector' background checks are no longer required? A regular criminal background check from the RCMP is sufficient? If this is true?

If it is, it will explain the extraordinarily difficult time I've been having getting a vulnerable sector check done. I'm in Canada now and I can't get any police department, fingerprint service etc to do a vulnerable sector check for overseas work.

Is it no longer required? If so, I'll be a happy man. Can someone in the know please let me know.

Thank you.

mods: Can you please leave this up for a day so I can get a response, then add it to the general CBC thread. I'm really going bonkers here.
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: shecriedwolf on June 07, 2011, 09:59:45 am
I just arrived in Korea, and all I got was a regular criminal record check. That being said it still took quite a while. About 6 weeks from when I order it from my city police (who is in cahoots with the RCMP), and then another few weeks to get all of the notarizing done before it was ready to be sent in with the VISA application.
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: shmoogrin on June 07, 2011, 11:33:22 am
That is strange, I have been here seven months and I did mine at the city police station in Canada and it took about 10 minutes, and included the vulnerable sector check.   I have not heard you do not need it anymore.
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: teacher_del on June 07, 2011, 11:41:04 am
The updated regulations last year said we needed a VS check from the RCMP. As you've discovered, the RCMP just doesn't do VS checks for overseas private work. South Korea has apparently decided that the RCMP part is more important than the VS part, since they can't get both.  You MUST have an RCMP check done for a new contract now. Do NOT get one from your local police. Only RCMP checks are now accepted.

(If you're in Quebec, getting a check has sucked for several years. I had to hire a private agency to get a national criminal record check done by a police station in PEI, since the RCMP times were too long. Now only RCMP will be accepted.)
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: Davox on June 07, 2011, 01:32:29 pm
That is strange, I have been here seven months and I did mine at the city police station in Canada and it took about 10 minutes, and included the vulnerable sector check.   I have not heard you do not need it anymore.
The regulations have changed as of 6 months ago.  Now your check needs to be on RCMP letterhead and it does not need to be vulnerable sector.  So that's why.
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: shmoogrin on June 07, 2011, 01:54:28 pm
They were actually trying that out when I was applying, but the problem is that RCMP don't do that kind of criminal records check.  Whoever got it in six weeks was lucky, they told me six months.  But the thing that the people asking for it don't realize is that if you go to your city or provincial police for a criminal record check, they are accessing the exact same database as the RCMP do to perform this check.  If you already have a job offer, tell your school that city, provincial, and federal police forces (RCMP) in Canada use the same national database to confirm lack of criminal background in Canada.
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: Davox on June 07, 2011, 02:25:48 pm
They were actually trying that out when I was applying, but the problem is that RCMP don't do that kind of criminal records check.  Whoever got it in six weeks was lucky, they told me six months.  But the thing that the people asking for it don't realize is that if you go to your city or provincial police for a criminal record check, they are accessing the exact same database as the RCMP do to perform this check.  If you already have a job offer, tell your school that city, provincial, and federal police forces (RCMP) in Canada use the same national database to confirm lack of criminal background in Canada.

This is true, but sadly irrelevant. It's not your school that decides if your check is acceptable, it's immigration.  And when I went to immigration in Korea, they didn't care.  It literally did not matter to them that they checked the same database, nor did it matter that the check said it was national-level right on the paper, nor did it matter that the consulate in Canada stamped it and stated that it was an officially OK national level check.  The check needs to be RCMP, or immigration will probably reject it once you get here.  And you'll be out of luck, and out of pocket for airline money.

My situation turned out ok in the end, as many situations do here if you have sufficiently high status or otherwise important people helping/arguing for you, but I could easily have been totally screwed.  Don't be like me, get RCMP.
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: shmoogrin on June 07, 2011, 02:45:20 pm
Wow, Davox, it must be great to be such a VIP.  Nevertheless, all I am saying is that I was told the RCMP does not actually do these kind of criminal background checks, so asking for them is irrelevant.  Also, there is no point trying to get it until you have a job offer, because the RCMP checks are sent directly to the party requesting them, not the person being checked, and you must provide the address of the recipient.  Korean immigration obviously did not bother to see what kind of documents were available from the RCMP before requiring a document that is almost impossible to get.  Your best bet is really to call your nearest Korean consulate and get the info directly from them.  They are the ones approving the documents to send to Korean immigration, so whatever they say should be what you do.   
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: Davox on June 07, 2011, 03:48:16 pm
Wow, Davox, it must be great to be such a VIP.  Nevertheless, all I am saying is that I was told the RCMP does not actually do these kind of criminal background checks, so asking for them is irrelevant.  Also, there is no point trying to get it until you have a job offer, because the RCMP checks are sent directly to the party requesting them, not the person being checked, and you must provide the address of the recipient.  Korean immigration obviously did not bother to see what kind of documents were available from the RCMP before requiring a document that is almost impossible to get.  Your best bet is really to call your nearest Korean consulate and get the info directly from them.  They are the ones approving the documents to send to Korean immigration, so whatever they say should be what you do.   

I'm not a VIP, I just happen, by the luck of the draw, to work at a "model" school with people that were willing and able to contact the guy and yell at him for a LONG while.  I was very lucky, as that doesn't always work.  And yeah, my whole point was that immigration has no idea what is and is not an appropriate national level check for Canada.  And they ARE the ones who make the final decision.  Not the consulate in Canada.  Like I said, my non-RCMP check was fully approved, stamped and OK'ed by the consulate and my school and got rejected by immigration over here.  Like I said before, the law changed likely just after you passed your perfectly fine national level check in.  They no longer accept those, even if the consulate approves them.  It has to be RCMP, without the vulnerable sector.   Even though that makes no sense.  And no amount of whining on OUR part is going to change that. 
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: eggplant_tyrant on June 07, 2011, 03:51:03 pm
Wow, Davox, it must be great to be such a VIP.  Nevertheless, all I am saying is that I was told the RCMP does not actually do these kind of criminal background checks, so asking for them is irrelevant.  Also, there is no point trying to get it until you have a job offer, because the RCMP checks are sent directly to the party requesting them, not the person being checked, and you must provide the address of the recipient.  Korean immigration obviously did not bother to see what kind of documents were available from the RCMP before requiring a document that is almost impossible to get.  Your best bet is really to call your nearest Korean consulate and get the info directly from them.  They are the ones approving the documents to send to Korean immigration, so whatever they say should be what you do.   

This is true... it's always best to contact the consulate in Canada before you get any of your documents. However, I'm not sure people should hold off requesting a CRC until they have a job offer; this document can take a stupidly long time to get, and if you wait, there's a very good chance your job offer will have been retracted by the time you finally get your RCMP CRC. Also, this page on the RCMP website would seem to suggest that you do not, in fact, have to have your check sent to your place of employment in Korea. (It seems like, if you go through this process, you CAN have it sent to yourself since having the CRC sent to a third party is being described as an option, but having no personal experience with that, I can't say for sure.)
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cr-cj/info-rens-eng.htm

Also, the rules re: RCMP checks depends a lot on where you live. If you're from a city/province with no local police force, the RCMP does all of the policework in your region by default. As a resident of PEI, I just walked into my local RCMP office, requested a CRC, and picked it up the very next day, free of charge. If you live in a place with municipal or provincial police, you'll probably have to follow the process outlined on this website:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cr-cj/fing-empr2-eng.htm

Finally, well I do think it can't hurt to get both a CRC from your local police force AND the RCMP, I think it's a bit unwise to just get a check from the local police, because last I checked with immigration in-country (this was mid-March, 2011), official policy is to reject anything that doesn't say RCMP on it. They were pretty adamant about that. Of course, this is Korea, and you may get lucky with a locally-provided CRC, but I wouldn't count on it.

It sucks, but what can you do? Unsurprisingly, the politicians who influence Korean Immigration policy care more about how their constituents will see their actions than how possible it is for us waygooks to jump through the latest hoop.
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: shmoogrin on June 07, 2011, 07:14:38 pm
Sorry to the original poster - this must be a bit confusing.  I would agree with everything that Mr. Tyrant said, but obviously there are some regional differences about how these matters are handled.  In Winnipeg, where I got mine done, at that time the RCMP did not do this kind of simple background check, but sent me to the city police to have it done.  They said the only ones they do are high level clearance for government jobs and that sort of thing.   Obviously in some areas where there is no city or provincial police the RCMP do them.  I am sure that the Korean immigration department is probably unaware of this little wrinkle, and it is probably causing no end of headaches for those applying now.  I was also told that the check they do requires you to give the name and address for the receiver, but of course rules change over time.  I guess the best thing for the OP to do is get every piece of paper he can and hope for the best.  Even getting a straight answer from the consulate is a real pain about these matters. 
Title: Do criminal record checks also need to be notarized and apostilled?
Post by: Horus on June 08, 2011, 10:28:45 pm
Sorry if this has been addressed already, but I'm still not sure of the answer. I've got my degrees notarized, and I'm off to the Korean consulate tomorrow to get them apostilled. But I'm still awaiting my criminal background check. Will I need to have that apostilled as well.

Thank you for any information.

Horus

Title: Re: Do criminal record checks also need to be notarized and apostilled?
Post by: BROOKEW on June 08, 2011, 11:16:17 pm
new zealand yes
Title: Re: Do criminal record checks also need to be notarized and apostilled?
Post by: Horus on June 09, 2011, 05:19:01 am
I'm from Canada. Thing is, I'll probably be back in Korea before my CBC is completed. Can a friend take it to be notarized by a notary public in Canada then mail it to me, and I'll get it apostilled at the Canadian embassy? Or does he have to take it to the Korean consulate in Toronto to be apostilled?

I hate all of this stuff. I've been working in Korea for years. How many more times do I really need to show that I'm not a criminal. >:(
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: Horus on June 09, 2011, 06:08:44 am
I have had zero luck getting a vulnerable sector check done. NObody will do it. I have just gone ahead and got a regular CBC check done through the Commissionaires. Hopefully it will be fine. After all, if I have an criminal record it will say so on the regular CBC. The problem is I'm not sure if it will have the magic letters 'RCMP' on it -even though it will be from the exact same criminal data base used by the RCMP.

Stressful and confusing days!

Title: Re: Do criminal record checks also need to be notarized and apostilled?
Post by: oculisorbis on June 09, 2011, 07:02:24 am
You can't do an apostille in Canada. 
Title: Re: Do criminal record checks also need to be notarized and apostilled?
Post by: Davox on June 09, 2011, 07:33:11 am
I'm from Canada. Thing is, I'll probably be back in Korea before my CBC is completed. Can a friend take it to be notarized by a notary public in Canada then mail it to me, and I'll get it apostilled at the Canadian embassy? Or does he have to take it to the Korean consulate in Toronto to be apostilled?

I hate all of this stuff. I've been working in Korea for years. How many more times do I really need to show that I'm not a criminal. >:(
Unless they've changed, your friend will have to take/mail it to the Korean consulate in Toronto to get it stamped.  The Canadian Embassy in Korea has nothing to do with it, because Canada doesn't do apostile.
Title: Re: Do criminal record checks also need to be notarized and apostilled?
Post by: danitravels on June 09, 2011, 09:23:41 am
In the States I had to have my documents notarized before I could get them apostilled.
Title: Re: Do criminal record checks also need to be notarized and apostilled?
Post by: k.l. on June 09, 2011, 09:32:59 am
I'm from Canada. Thing is, I'll probably be back in Korea before my CBC is completed. Can a friend take it to be notarized by a notary public in Canada then mail it to me, and I'll get it apostilled at the Canadian embassy? Or does he have to take it to the Korean consulate in Toronto to be apostilled?

I hate all of this stuff. I've been working in Korea for years. How many more times do I really need to show that I'm not a criminal. >:(
Unless they've changed, your friend will have to take/mail it to the Korean consulate in Toronto to get it stamped.  The Canadian Embassy in Korea has nothing to do with it, because Canada doesn't do apostile.

Sorry to correct you there. The Canadian Consulate in Korea will verify your CRC. You need to bring your criminal record check in and they will verify it for immigration (apostile stamp) The notarized degree copies, however, they do not offer that notarizing service any longer. Those need to be notarized in Canada then brought to the Korean embassy in Canada to stamp. This is all straight from the mouth of the Canadian Embassy in Seoul when I called last week.

To recap:

1. CRC needs to be brought to Canadian Embassy in Seoul

2. Notarized copies of degree (notarized by a lawyer or civil service office) need to be brought to Korean Embassy in Canada.
Title: Re: Do criminal record checks also need to be notarized and apostilled?
Post by: Horus on June 10, 2011, 11:06:04 pm
^
I truly wish Korean officials could learn to give a clear, straighforward answer to a clear straightforward question. Yesterday I was at the Korean embassy in Toronto and was given a different answer from the above poster. I'm returning to Korea in a week and my CBC may not be in my hands by then. I asked if, after I received it in the post in Korea, I could get it apostilled at the Canadian embassy in Seoul. She said 'No'. It must be apostilled at a Korean consulate.

Grrr!
Title: Re: Do criminal record checks also need to be notarized and apostilled?
Post by: leejs on June 11, 2011, 12:40:42 pm
The way I had it explained to me by my lawyer is that the CRC is already notarized by the RCMP (it has their embossed stamp), so it just needs to be confirmed and stamped by the Korean Embassy. It is impossible to get it apostilled because apostilles do not exist in Canada.
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: Horus on June 18, 2011, 12:04:57 am
So I got my 'regular' CBC done here in Canada. I then took it to the Korean embassy to have it apostilled (no notarization required). So it's got all the embassy stamps on it. I hope it's okay, because I simply could not get a 'vulnerable sector' check done at any police station. They said they coul;d do it for jobs within Canada, but not for overseas work.

Hope kimmi accepts it. After all, I simply can't produce what the RCMP won't prvide. I just hope the ajoshii at immigration isn't too hung over when I get there, and capable of getting his mind around that reality.

It shouldn't even be required. After all, any offences of a sexual nature are going to show up on a regular criminal check.
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: oculisorbis on June 18, 2011, 07:46:19 am
Your check MUST be from the RCMP.  You DO NOT need to have VSS.  A regular check is all that is required.
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: uricl on June 23, 2011, 02:47:50 am
I have a friend in Canada, how much does it cost?

I had to send mine through the Ottawa branch to get the national check and it took three months or so to get it back.
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: Horus on June 23, 2011, 07:19:02 am
My regular CBC is from the RCMP. I did it through the Commissionaires in Ontario, where I got my past 'vulnerable sector' checks from. It doesn't say RCMP on the letterhead. It reads at top: Canada Police Certificate: For Employment, Visa Applicants, Foreign Travel Work Permits. It was, however, completed by the Charlottetown Police Services (which is in fact RCMP). It also states, concerning me, that " a search of National Criminal Records repository maintained by the RCMP did not identify any record...."

I have used CBC's provided by the Commissionaires in the past. Is there any reason to fear that it won't be accepted this time because it says "Canada Police Certificate" on the letterhead rather than "RCMP"?

Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: deyeana on June 23, 2011, 07:41:03 am
After reading the contracts I went through the RCMP to get my fingerprints done. I was told it would take 3-4 weeks. I left and paid $80.00 .
I waited over 6 months for it come back. Never did. I also had to play telephone tag, but was unable to reach someone who could explain why I never got it.

After wasting $80.00 I was told by a friend who also went to Korea that she went down to the local police station on Elgin Street (Ottawa, ONT), and got her check done in less than 5 minutes for only $35 dollars.

I used the local police check for mine, and it worked. Im here teaching.


good luck
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Incredagogue on June 23, 2011, 07:57:32 am
This was my experience:

I was told that doing the RCMP check remotely from Korea would take up to 120 days (versus doing it via the digital fingerprint method back in Canada). I didn't have the time to do this so I just went with a local (Calgary) police check and hoped for the best. I pointed out that there is some small print on the document that states the RCMP database is used to conduct the background check - this seemed to work.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: rookiewaygook on June 23, 2011, 08:56:59 am
I think this is an old thread, but I thought I'd share my experience (from a month and a bit ago).

I was in a city close to Vancouver when I got my fingerprints done.

The lady told me that there is a back log with the fingerprinting of six months. She recommended I took the digital fingerprinting which should take about four business days. I ended up doing the digital but I got it two and a half weeks later.

On the RCMP website, there is an e-mail address you can request a status update on your fingerprints. They take forever to respond though. I e-mailed them about two weeks in, and they replied to me three weeks later saying they already did my fingerprints.
Title: Re: Vulnerable sector background check. No longer required?
Post by: Davox on June 23, 2011, 11:40:45 am
My regular CBC is from the RCMP. I did it through the Commissionaires in Ontario, where I got my past 'vulnerable sector' checks from. It doesn't say RCMP on the letterhead. It reads at top: Canada Police Certificate: For Employment, Visa Applicants, Foreign Travel Work Permits. It was, however, completed by the Charlottetown Police Services (which is in fact RCMP). It also states, concerning me, that " a search of National Criminal Records repository maintained by the RCMP did not identify any record...."

I have used CBC's provided by the Commissionaires in the past. Is there any reason to fear that it won't be accepted this time because it says "Canada Police Certificate" on the letterhead rather than "RCMP"?
Yes.  The law changed in January.  It is quite possible, although not guaranteed, that they will refuse accept it unless it says RCMP in letters big enough to convince them, and if it gets refused, no amount of explaining from you will change their mind.  Or maybe you'll be lucky.  Make sure sure to point to the RCMP letters on the form when you pass it in...
Title: Yet another CBC headache.
Post by: Horus on June 27, 2011, 12:21:17 pm
So I went to Namdaemun Police Station today to get fingerprinted for a Canadian criminal background check. They say I must provide the RCMP form for them to place the fingerprints on. So I go online to the RCMP 'fingerprinting' page, hoping to download the form. But no, that would be too easy. "Form not available online. Please contact us with personal information and mailing address and it will be mailed to you." WTF!! Could this criminal background stuff get any more frustrating. After the run-around I got at police stations in Canada this is just too much. I got a "Canadian Police Check" in Canada, but because it doesn't say RCMP in huge letters on the heading it may not be accepted by kimmi. (Who knows! I can never get a straight answer in this country.) So I thought I'd cover myself with a second one directly from the RCMP...but I can't get fingerprinted without an RCMP form which has to be ordered by regular mail from friggin Ottawa.

Grrrr!
Title: Re: Yet another CBC headache.
Post by: mellow-d on June 27, 2011, 12:33:00 pm
I'm pretty sure the Canadian embassy has the fingerprint forms. Just call them and check. But yeah, be prepared to wait over 6 months (mine finally came 7 months after I sent them off to Canada). One piece of good news, though. At least you can actually start mailing things to Canada this week since they forced the Canada Post workers back to work. Apparently it takes effect on Tuesday (possibly Wednesday here?).
Title: Re: Yet another CBC headache.
Post by: Darth Babaganoosh on June 29, 2011, 08:33:14 pm
...but I can't get fingerprinted without an RCMP form which has to be ordered by regular mail from friggin Ottawa.
Not quite. The RCMP site states that you don't need the RCMP fingerprint form. You may use the fingerprint forms from a local police force (ie. whichever Korean police station near you that does fingerprinting) as long as the form is translated and includes all the required information (name, officer's signature, station's address, etc).

I've never used the RCMP's fingerprint form--always the Korean form--and have never had a problem. I'm currently waiting for my fourth (and damn well better be my last) RCMP CBC.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Billy on July 04, 2011, 02:54:23 pm
The embassy in Seoul will have the fingerprint forms couriered to your place the next day (I did it twice) with a form explaining everything in Korean for you to give the police station. I wouldn't go to the one in Insadong...a cop there was rough with me and shouted a lot. His coworkers apologized when he left the room.

My RCMP check was done in 2 or 3 weeks (in May). Apparently it only takes a really long if your name and birthdate are the same as a convicted criminal on file.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: JohnnyBoy on July 07, 2011, 03:21:28 pm
I got my CRC in January 2011...from my experience this took 3 days and $35, I did it in person through the local Wpg P.D. in Canada. I understood this as the police run my name through a national database to check for a criminal & vulnerabe persons record, no body asked for my finger print, because my name identifies me. (might a finger print only be done for the FBI?-- I believe the FBI CRC's take several months)...no body in Korea asked for my finger print either, but I did need to give 2 copies of the CRC in my application, first to the embassy for my E2 and then one for my application....so I was lucky I had an extra copy, was not expecting the second would be needed....hope this helps.
Title: Re: criminal reference check CANADA
Post by: cilikimchi on July 21, 2011, 08:37:13 am
Does anyone know How to get a Nation Wide Criminal Record Check in Canada?
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Katherine on July 22, 2011, 02:42:53 am
I live in Ottawa. When I went to my local police station they said the only place that does fingerprint CRC is the head office downtown. Then the head office downtown told me the only place to get it done with the commissionaires. However, they told me the Ottawa police check that they do is national and what I needed. So I paid for it and got the check on the spot. My recruiter said because it didn't say RCMP it wasn't good enough.

I then went to the nearest Commissionaires and they were able to issue me the proper RCMP level check (without fingerprints) withing 3 days. Ottawa has such a high volume of request that my CRC was actually issued in PEI.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: jemak on August 30, 2011, 01:22:18 pm
The only time I got fingerprinted was in Korea. I didn't have to do it for my application forms to get in with EPIK. I just went into a community police centre and was out in about 15 minutes with my record check in hand.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: msbradberry on August 30, 2011, 03:22:49 pm
Hello,

I had my original copy notarized; as it also has the embossing from the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police).  I believe the OPP runs their Criminal Reference check through the RCMP now also.  I know that a friend who sent his notarized copy was told that he needed to send the original and have it notarized and therefore had to pay to have it notarized again and resend it.  That being said another friend send a notarized copy and it was accepted.  We all came through EPIK.  I would recommend contacting your coordinator and seeing what they say.

Best of luck.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: VC on August 30, 2011, 10:30:14 pm
I got my police check done in vancouver, and i got the original from them.  I had it notarized and took it to the korean consulate office, which they stamped and sent it to Epik. I had no problems.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: kgorman2 on September 01, 2011, 10:43:10 am
That's weird. I got an original from the RCMP and the people at the Korean embassy just took the back copy. Didn't need to be notarized or anything.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: andrewaustin2012 on September 07, 2011, 12:02:40 pm
RCMP take a very long time to process! It took them 3 months to process mine. From what I've heard that is pretty average waiting time.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: jungl3tt3 on September 09, 2011, 09:07:55 am
I got mycriminal check in Ontario - they gave me the original -  the notary i went to refused to notarize the original, so i made copies and got THEM all notarized (keeping one for myself just in case) and then had to send the Original plus a notarized copy to EPIK and i didnt need fingerprints. I had no problems either!
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: BrianFlanagan on September 15, 2011, 09:33:11 am
You shouldn't have to go to the RCMP for a record check. All local police departments are plugged into CPIC so any of them should be able to get you a record check. Mine was $45 and took an hour (Toronto).
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: ltisdale on October 05, 2011, 11:38:19 am
I'm not from Canada but had a similar problem with my FBI background and the stupid apostille process. My recruiter (who is a total incompetent) mis-informed me of the process to get my apostille completed and told me to send the document to a state institution that would not provide the apostille unless the document had been notarized at a county clerks/court office because this state institution does not have federal fingerprints on file. He however neglected this ever so important step so 3 weeks after I sent it i found out that it did not receive the backup it needed. Which means a delay in payments and other things for me. I was able to find a department in Guam that could provide the verification but it's been such a hassle and the alternative would be to send it back to my home country to the department I should have sent it to the first time, but was told not to do so by my recruiter. The best advice is to look up the information for yourself if your recruiter is anything like mine he's just looking for a payday and could care less about you once you arrive.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: B on October 05, 2011, 10:36:13 pm
I'm from Vancouver! Got a 2 original police certificates from the local department. Notarization wasn't a problem either! If anything, the lawyer asked why the police department gave me two original copies ...
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: rachelsnyder on October 14, 2011, 10:53:21 am
I'm not from Canada but had a similar problem with my FBI background and the stupid apostille process. My recruiter (who is a total incompetent) mis-informed me of the process to get my apostille completed and told me to send the document to a state institution that would not provide the apostille unless the document had been notarized at a county clerks/court office because this state institution does not have federal fingerprints on file. He however neglected this ever so important step so 3 weeks after I sent it i found out that it did not receive the backup it needed. Which means a delay in payments and other things for me. I was able to find a department in Guam that could provide the verification but it's been such a hassle and the alternative would be to send it back to my home country to the department I should have sent it to the first time, but was told not to do so by my recruiter. The best advice is to look up the information for yourself if your recruiter is anything like mine he's just looking for a payday and could care less about you once you arrive.

Hey itisdale,
I am from the states too and am trying to decide whether to get my background check apostilled with the state or federal government.  I have heard both as options from different recruiters, with some telling me that Korea is switching over to a "federal only" process.. which method did you use and when did you go through this process?  Recently??
Thanks!!
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: vanessa on October 18, 2011, 09:14:39 am
Hi
I am South African not canadian but I reckon the same applies as we all need police clearance checks. I am staying on another year and I need to do all this paper work again even though I am not going home at all. Does anyone know how I go about the Police clearance check here in Korea? Do I get the apostle seal done here or send it back home? Any advice would help.
Hope you all well and enjoying Korea!
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: MattMendell on October 26, 2011, 07:32:13 am
OK I've had a quick browse through this thread and it didn't seem to answer this question for me.

My girlfriend left Korea in August. She is now in Canada re-applying for the March 2012. Can anybody please tell me whether or not she needs to have her fingerprints taken or whether a 'regular' criminal record check will suffice? She has been told different things by different people, naturally.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Cranberryopah on October 28, 2011, 04:26:37 pm
I was in BC last August 2011.  I was returning to the same school for a second contract, but my trip home was during the summer vacation and before my contract expired in October. Of course being home, I did the paper work there where English is magic for getting things done. The RCMP told me that there are two types of Criminal Record Check one with a vulnerable sector search and the other without a criminal record check:

-The Domestic one which requires fingerprinting and a vulnerable sector search
-The other, for those working outside of Canada, does not require fingerprinting or a vulnerable sector search.   The RCMP counter clerks (not RCMP themselves) assured me that one w/o the fp or vss was fine, but they're not going to stand beside me at Korean Immigration.  Against all of their persuasion I opted for the costly route of having both done.  The Domestic one took 2.5 weeks to be ready.

When at Korean Immigration in Yangu, the clerk asked me for fingerprints, and I showed him the domestic criminal record check containing a vulnerable sector search and fingerprint authentication.  He took it, then asked me to do an electronic finger print check on the spot with a nearby electronic pad.   However, I have read other's Korean Immigration stories wherein RCMP fingerprints were not requested, nor was the expat printed on the spot.

Note: on the form she will fill out at Korean Immigration there is a line that goes something like "Depending on the individual case, Korean Immigration reserves the right to ask for additional documents"

To be very certain of what's required you could:
1.  call Korean Immigration at 1235. Their English is good, but they're a tad impatient.
2.  visit your gf's immigration office with a coteacher or bilingual friend and ask specific questions. Better yet, write out a list of what he/she said and have them sign it.
3.  suggest your girlfriend do both criminal record checks.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: fattycat100 on January 20, 2012, 11:25:16 am
I submitted my RCMP fingerprint criminal record check to Korean immigration last year. Went to immigration yesterday and they told me that it is incomplete. When I submitted it last year I asked if I needed it to be varified or anything and they said that it was fine as it was, took it from me and entered it into their system. Now they're telling me that it needs to have a stamp from the consulate. If I don't get the stamp by the end of the year (originally they were telling me by the end of March this year!!!) I need to "voluntarily" leave the country. Since the fingerprints are a year old it's too late to get them varified so I'm now required to do the entire fingerprint process again and either to get someone in Canada to get the consulate to varify it for me ($4) or when they're sent back to Korea go up to Seoul and have the Canadian embassy varify it (57,000won).  >:(
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: scott_158 on January 20, 2012, 10:47:02 pm
So does this mean you got everything done in Korea?  I'm looking to get my CRC done in Korea in time to apply to SMOE for September positions.  I'm currently living/working in Seoul (at a Hagwon) and my contract is up in July.  I'm not sure when they'll be hiring at SMOE for Sept positions, but I want to have the paper work in place/ready to go for when they do hire later on in the spring/early summertime. 

Does anyone know how long it'll take to get it done while in Korea; start to finish?  I've heard anywhere from 2-8 months from various people.  Trying to get as much info as possible.  Gonna call Canadian Embassy and Korean Immigration on Wed after the Lunar New Years.


새해 복 많이 받으세요 e'erybody!
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: fattycat100 on January 21, 2012, 01:50:26 pm
I haven't been home since the summer of 2010 so I am now doing the entire process for the second time from Korea. I went to my local police station here and got my fingerprints taken. You can either have the embassy send you the RCMP form or you can use the Korean form, just make sure that everything that the RCMP needs is included. Some people have had difficulty at their local police station. Some are great. If you have problems with one, go to another. It all depends on the station. My local one is great. I've had my fingerprints taken 3 times there free of charge. The guy who does it has even been taking English classes to help out foreigners who need to get them done!

Then you need to send the fingerprints from Korea to the RCMP in Canada. The current processing time estimate on their website is approximately 12 weeks. They will then return the check to you through regular mail. You can have the fingerprints sent to you in Korea or if you give written permission they can be sent to a family member in Canada for you.

Once the criminal record check has been done the check then needs to be varified. You have two options if you are out of country. First you can go to the Canadian embassy in Seoul Monday - Friday 8:30am - 11:45 am, pay 57,500 won and they will varify it. The other option is to have it verified at the consulate in Canada. When I had my degree confirmed they wouldn't mail it to Korea even though the website suggests that they may. I am assuming that they won't send me my fingerprints either...so, what I plan to do is have the criminal record check sent to my mother. My mother will then send it to the consulate along with $4 to have it confirmed. It will then be sent back to her and then she will send it to me in Korea. When I had my degree confirmed in this way it was confirmed and sent back to my mother in less than a week. I'd say for the entire process to be completed you're looking at 4-6 months if your doing it from Korea. It is considerably less time if you are in Canada.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: teachertq on February 08, 2012, 05:05:12 pm
Are two criminal reference checks required or just one?
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Johnzorz on March 19, 2012, 10:31:22 pm
They accepted my notarized copy. Notarized by RCMP and the Korean consulate in Toronto
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: balehead on March 23, 2012, 02:04:17 pm
I just went to my local RCMP and got the VS check done for $35. It was sent to me in 2 days. No fingerprints were needed. Just had to get it notarized.
The RCMP website is awful. The 12 week processing time quoted is way off when applying from within Canada.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: msryoo89 on April 17, 2012, 04:17:37 pm

Is anyone getting their criminal check up done in korea?
its taking 4- 5 weeks. I was wondering if there are any other faster ways to get this done?
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: syslee on April 18, 2012, 08:18:11 am
i believe approx. 2 months.
had fingerprints done in incheon around the 3rd feb. 2012 and mailed it via reg. air mail with a forwarding address in canada. my family received it today...so not as long as expected, but still need to get it stamped at a korean consulate and mailed back to me. good luck!
Title: Re: Criminal Record Check from RCMP?
Post by: kneekick on April 26, 2012, 01:14:59 pm
On the RCMP website, they specifically say that mailed-in applications should take about 8 weeks, but can take 120 days or more, and that you shouldn't contact them asking where it is until after those 120 days are up.

Also, a heads-up to any other Canadians out there -- even though your city/provincial police department may be in charge of administering national-level criminal record checks in your region, and even though they consult the same national database that the RCMP does, unless you specifically have a CRC from the RCMP (as in, it says RCMP on the paper), immigration will not accept it. Even if the Korean consulate back home stamps it. Maybe you'll get lucky and be able to argue it through / get someone at immigration who doesn't care, but the official policy is to reject anything that is not specifically issued by the RCMP.

We had our search done through the Edmonton Police Service and had no problems with it at all. We sent the original to the consulate with a notorized copy (this was done in February 2012). In the past, they would not accept just an original, we actually had it sent back to us and we had to get a notorized copy to send to them. (It took us about 2 weeks in Edmonton to get receive the papers back from the EPS.)
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: redstar312 on July 26, 2012, 02:21:43 am
Okay - I am officially very, very confused now.

I just called Korean Immigration and spoke with a very patient, fluent English speaking fellow who told me the following:

Fingerprints are not required by Korean Immigration for the purposes of visa issuance for an E2 and the only reason fingerprints would be necessary is if our domestic governments required them in order to issue a criminal record check. The same goes for a vulnerable sector search (for Canadians) as he said that is only on the Canadian side of things and that Korea does not need that information.

He said that as long as it is at a national level, it will be accepted, fingerprints or not.

This confuses me because it contrary to almost everything I've heard up to this point about (for Canadians) having to mail their prints etc. off to Ottawa and wait 3-4 months.

I have a question about this too. I am still in Canada, and a particular recruiter is insisting that fingerprint-based checks are absolutely required by Korean immigration to issue the E-2 work permit, yet my local RCMP detachment issued me a check that did not require fingerprints (they said fingerprints are only required if there's someone with the same full name and birthdate as me, or if I have a criminal record and want to see a full list of convictions as the non-fingerprint based check will only say whether or not you have any convictions). According to this particular recruiter, this check will be refused by Korean immigration. Can anyone shed some light on this? The recruiter is Canadian-based, FWIW, so it can't be that they're from another country and just don't know how Canadian police work. I've contacted multiple recruiters, and no other recruiter has said anything like this to me.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: wildbore on July 26, 2012, 03:04:22 am
Your recruiter is clueless.

You don't NEED an RCMP check, fingerprint or otherwise. ANY criminal record check which searches the NATIONAL RESPOSITORY will suffice. This could be issued by the local, provincial, RCMP or even native reservce police.

Here is EXACTLY what it says on the Korean immigration website (www.hikorea), in Korean, about CRCs.

Quote
<주요 국가 범죄경력증명서 발급기관 및 명칭 등(예시>

미국 : FBI(Federal Bureau of Investigation)범죄경력서, 주정부(State) 범죄경력증명서(미국 전역의 범죄경력이 포함되어 발급된 경우)
캐나다 : Royal Cannadian Mounted Police 발급 RCMP, National Repository of Criminal Records 등
영국 : Home Office, Police(Criminal Records Bureau, Disclosure Scotland, Access Northern Ireland, ACPO Criminal Records Office)등이 발급한 Basic Disclosure, Request for Information, ACPO Criminal Records Office Authentic Document 등
호주 : AFP(Australian Federal Police)발급 Standard Disclosure, National Police Certificate 등
남아프리카공화국 : South African Police Service 발급 Clearance Certificate 등
아이랜드 : The national police of the Republic of Iland 발급 Police Certificate 등
뉴질랜드 : Ministry of Juistice 발급 범죄경력서

Furthermore, from personal experience, I just submitted a check from some random police service (Coburg police in Ontario) to Korean immigration, and it was accepted for my E2 visa issurance #. It stated on the CRC that it was a search of the National Repository of Criminal Records maintained by the RCMP.

If you are getting fingerprints done at any point in the process, you are wasting your time and money. They are not needed at any point for an acceptable CRC from Canada.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: redstar312 on July 26, 2012, 03:10:23 am
Thank you for your very quick and informative reply.

The check I have is from the RCMP, with RCMP letterhead and all text in French and English, a signature from the relevant officer at my local station, and it specifically says that it searched in the "national repository for criminal records in Canada."

I'm not sure what I'm going to say to this recruiter, and it's really weird that they'd insist fingerprints are needed. You'd think that, being in Canada, they'd know about the relevant regulations.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: skippy on July 26, 2012, 01:43:52 pm
First many recruiters ask for just RCMP is they are going for the general procedure.  For most recruiters, they know an CRC has to be a national check.  National RCMP.  Recruiters do not always look for the fineprint or get the details.

Also, it might have to be fingerprints because Venus is ascension,  the traffic to work was crappy, and the idiot behind the desk at immigration or consulate does not want to do any thinking.  So at times the best way is to go literally by the book.  Thus get the RCMP fingerprint.  So some recruiters will insist the best way is to cross those "t"'s and "i"'s in a specific way. 

Still for many immigration officials, they are not looking for RCMP.  All they are doing is checking for the stamp and Korean writing from the Consulate saying it is fine.

First off check your regions Korean Consulate page in Canada.  You will get some details of what is needed or good for CRC checks.  The Vancouver one gives the best details.   I think each consulate will be similar.  On the Vancouver they say an city or provincial check is fine.  As long as the National repository is checked. 

Me, I have done a Calgary Police check from Korea.  No fingerprints.  Little bit different paper shuffling but I got in a couple of weeks.  Plus thanks to a relative in Vancouver, help sped things up.

I have also got a RCMP name check done and verified in a DAY.  Got to love Vancouver.   Name checks from the RCMP should still be acceptable.  The time may be a bit longer but it can be done quicker then RCMP fingerprint check.

If you can and have the money, get the fingerprint check done and in the pipe.  Then, get a name check done, and verified.   Tell recruiter you have that and proceed.   Yet, if things go bad and the name check is not accepted, you have the RCMP coming.

Good Luck
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: buddy_eh on October 21, 2012, 05:31:14 pm
I had a nation-wide CRC from VPD without the fingerprints when I came to Korea in September 2012 through EPIK. The Consulate in Vancouver did not mention anything about fingerprints and it was a faster and cheaper option (it takes maximum of 4 weeks for a non-fingerprint check as opposed to 3 months) so I took it. I know that the EPIK web site and some recruiting agencies will tell you that you have to have a fingerprint based check but I didn't and yet here I am. Nobody ever raised any issues about that. I went to have it notarized and then I got a stamp from the koraen consluate in vancouver.
A faster way to get a fingerprint based check is through the Commissionaires. They will charge you overall 80 bucks or so, which includes their service fee (sending the fingerprints electronically to the RCMP) and the RCMP fee, and you will get the letter from the RCMP within 2 weeks in your mail (if you are in Canada). Of course, this can only work if you are in canada as you have to go the the Commissionaires office in person to do this.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Row on November 07, 2012, 10:40:19 am
how long are rcmp crc's typically valid for?
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: skippy on November 20, 2012, 07:43:33 pm
All CRCs are valid for six months from date of issue from police/government agency.  So in  general more the four months old, consider getting a new one.  If more then five and just starting visa application, it is pushing it.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Redondo on December 01, 2012, 04:48:11 am
I got my fingerprint check from a notary public who orders them. Apparently the police station are not involved in this process in Toronto, maybe they were in the past but not any more.

I ordered a police reference check (clearance letter) for $22, and never picked it up. Why? because I wanted to be sure, so after reading most of this topic I decided to pay the extra $80. Probably, there is less than 1/10 chance that I needed it, but it's not something I'm going to take a risk with after putting so much work and money into getting to Korea.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Teacherwalters on December 31, 2012, 09:38:39 am
I made photocopy of mine and got it notarized. The Korean counsolate in Toronto still Notarized it before I sent it here to Korea with my package.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Teacherwalters on April 09, 2013, 03:39:51 pm
I was in Canada when I got my fingerprinting done in Mississauga at a fingerprinting agency on Tomken Road. It wasn an electronic fingerprinting system and I got it done and sent to me in Canada within 4 days. The Korean employers still accept it.

However electronic fingerprinting will not be accepted by the RCMP from overseas. You will need the fingerprinting form and they can finger print you here in Korea and you send the documents and a money order or draft of $25 CDN to Canada and you will have to wait long.

And be thankful if you can get fingerprinted in Korea, because if you were an EFL teacher in Japan the police agencies there would never do that for you.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Teacherwalters on April 19, 2013, 10:07:31 am
My E-2 visa is a type 2. what I will need to know is that if I plan to renew my contract, will I still need to do an RCMP criminal record check or not?
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Teacherwalters on June 03, 2013, 10:00:14 am
I don't reember if I posted this before, but I contacted Korean Immigration and they told me that if I have a type 2 E-2 visa, I do not have to obtain a criminal record check from the RCMP if I am going to renew my contract with the same pulbic school in the EPIK program.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: taeyang on June 03, 2013, 10:23:55 am
I don't reember if I posted this before, but I contacted Korean Immigration and they told me that if I have a type 2 E-2 visa, I do not have to obtain a criminal record check from the RCMP if I am going to renew my contract with the same pulbic school in the EPIK program.

i have not had to resubmit any new fingerprints for the three contract renewals.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Redondo on November 13, 2013, 10:05:59 pm
I was hearing some murmurs about Schools accepting non-rcmp background checks as of recent in other parts of this forum. Anyone know much about it?

In any case, does anyone know how to go about that process if you're in Korea? In Canada to get  regular crimincal record check(non-rcmp) you need order it online, then go to the police station in a few days and present them with ID. Does this mean you can't do it from abroad?
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: BTeacher on November 14, 2013, 08:17:03 am

In any case, does anyone know how to go about that process if you're in Korea? In Canada to get  regular crimincal record check(non-rcmp) you need order it online, then go to the police station in a few days and present them with ID. Does this mean you can't do it from abroad?

From what I understand, it can be done from abroad, just in a roundabout way.

You have to use an international fingerprinting business that has been approved by the RCMP. You pay them $125-150, they send you some paper, you apply your fingerprints to said paper, mail it back to them in Canada, where they convert it to a digital file and submit to the RCMP, and it is processed in 3-4 days (rather than 3-5.5 months).

Sorry for the lack of specifics here, and a few of the terms may be a little off. I researched and posted about this in more detail on here last week, but can't be bothered to find it.

Anyway, from what I remember, a list of approved fingerprint-takers is on the RCMP website.

And no, you cannot just have your fingerprints taken digitally and have it sent to the RCMP directly--that would make far too much sense. Digital fingerprints are only accepted from within Canada itself, hence the aforementioned song and dance to get it done.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Redondo on November 15, 2013, 10:32:22 am
Seems like you are talking about a RCMP fingerprint check.  I'm talking about a regular, national database criminal record check that can be done at your local police station.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: ayla88 on March 26, 2014, 09:24:05 am
Thank goodness for this thread...I hope someone can help me. I'm so freaking confused.

How do I do this from all the way in Korea??

I get fingerprinted here, then send it back to Canada to have them do up a CRC.

Then the CRC comes back to Korea via mail, but I have to send it BACK to Canada and to the consulate?? How do I organize the documents and paperwork so the consulate in Toronto will stamp it and send it to me? They only take Xpresspost. Do Korean post offices use Xpresspost?

I might have to call the Korean consulate and ask. Damn international charges...
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Teachearn1 on April 21, 2014, 09:19:24 pm
Hey,

Where would i located the form for the in Korea fingerprint part? Can I get it at the Canada Embassy in Seoul?

Anyone use the Fingerscan company?

thx
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Caninkor on April 21, 2014, 10:40:32 pm
Hey,

Where would i located the form for the in Korea fingerprint part? Can I get it at the Canada Embassy in Seoul?

Anyone use the Fingerscan company?

thx

The embassy will mail them to you if you ask them.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Redondo on April 22, 2014, 07:05:38 am
You can also order one from the RCMP, it doesn't take ong for them to send it at all.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: sass on September 22, 2014, 12:20:05 pm
Once you have the Canadian company apply for the CRC for you, where should you have the document checked? Am I able to do it in Korea or do I have to have it done at the Korean Consulate in Canada?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: peacefulwarriorz on September 23, 2014, 04:03:59 am
Korean Consulate in Canada. They'll stamp it.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: kitster1 on September 23, 2014, 08:21:00 am
Just a heads up of a new change:

How to Obtain a Certified Criminal Record Check

Attention: Important Notice

As of July 1, 2014, if fingerprints are required for a criminal record check, they must be submitted electronically to CCRTIS. Electronic fingerprint submissions improve service levels and accuracy of your screening.

If you reside in Canada, you simply have to contact one of these accredited companies or police services to submit your fingerprints electronically and avoid delays.

Electronic fingerprint submissions to the RCMP is not currently available outside of Canada. You may contact accredited companies within Canada who will digitize ink fingerprints and submit them electronically to the RCMP.

*Please note that after July 1, 2014, paper submissions will not be processed and will be returned to the originator.

Source: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cr-cj/fing-empr2-eng.htm

I haven't done it yet, but I heard although you can get your record much quicker (approx 2 weeks) than by regular mail (took me 5 months), it will put a dent in your wallet (approx $200 - slightly varying depending on the agency doing the digitizing of the prints). Here's one accredited and certified agency that can be used: http://www.fingerscan.ca/2160-2/
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Foreverparadise on October 28, 2014, 03:07:54 pm
QUESTION:

Just say I go to Canada and I buy a money order in Canada for $25. Then I return to Korea after my vacation in Canada, and then after returning to Korea I order my Canadian CRC. Will the RCMP still accept my Canadian money order purchased from Canada from a Canadian bank (even if I send the request form from Korea)?
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: sass on October 29, 2014, 07:51:03 pm
QUESTION:

Just say I go to Canada and I buy a money order in Canada for $25. Then I return to Korea after my vacation in Canada, and then after returning to Korea I order my Canadian CRC. Will the RCMP still accept my Canadian money order purchased from Canada from a Canadian bank (even if I send the request form from Korea)?

Once you're in Korea you aren't able to request a Canadian CRC (unless you know someone in the RCMP or you get lucky). Once outside Canada, you must be fingerprinted by a local police agency then contact a third party to submit your fingerprints for you. We aren't able to submit our fingerprints ourselves any longer, by mail or e-mail.

I'm not sure what the money order for $25 is for? To use a third party to submit your prints will cost at least $150 CAD.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Redondo on October 30, 2014, 07:30:09 am
You can get a money order for $25 american in Korea and they will accept it.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Foreverparadise on February 03, 2015, 11:26:30 am
QUESTION:

Just say I go to Canada and I buy a money order in Canada for $25. Then I return to Korea after my vacation in Canada, and then after returning to Korea I order my Canadian CRC. Will the RCMP still accept my Canadian money order purchased from Canada from a Canadian bank (even if I send the request form from Korea)?

Once you're in Korea you aren't able to request a Canadian CRC (unless you know someone in the RCMP or you get lucky). Once outside Canada, you must be fingerprinted by a local police agency then contact a third party to submit your fingerprints for you. We aren't able to submit our fingerprints ourselves any longer, by mail or e-mail.

I'm not sure what the money order for $25 is for? To use a third party to submit your prints will cost at least $150 CAD.

The money order is for the processing fee.
I still have the fingerprinting form sent to be from the Canadian consulate here in Korea. I will still get my fingerprints. I will still send it to Canada. So who is that thrid party I can send it through?
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: TeachingAbroad2015 on February 21, 2015, 02:44:52 am
I'm confused, I'm a Canadian living in the United States (25years). My recruiter said to get a background check online, instead of going to Canada. Am I to understand I need an RCMP background check? I live close enough and can run across the border however... I thought I was getting the online one for $60. Please help me to understand. I'll be teaching in S Korea as well.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: sass on February 24, 2015, 05:04:29 pm
QUESTION:

Just say I go to Canada and I buy a money order in Canada for $25. Then I return to Korea after my vacation in Canada, and then after returning to Korea I order my Canadian CRC. Will the RCMP still accept my Canadian money order purchased from Canada from a Canadian bank (even if I send the request form from Korea)?

Once you're in Korea you aren't able to request a Canadian CRC (unless you know someone in the RCMP or you get lucky). Once outside Canada, you must be fingerprinted by a local police agency then contact a third party to submit your fingerprints for you. We aren't able to submit our fingerprints ourselves any longer, by mail or e-mail.

I'm not sure what the money order for $25 is for? To use a third party to submit your prints will cost at least $150 CAD.

The money order is for the processing fee.
I still have the fingerprinting form sent to be from the Canadian consulate here in Korea. I will still get my fingerprints. I will still send it to Canada. So who is that thrid party I can send it through?

I used XL-ID Solutions and had a positive experience. https://xl-id.com You can apply on their website and they'll send you an email with all the relevant info. You have to mail them your prints and they apply to the RCMP for you.

Alternatively, if you or your family know someone in a local police station (non-RCMP) that will run a check for you then do that. I just had the local police check with no fingerprints and it was accepted at immigration.

Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Jgrat on February 25, 2015, 08:01:03 am
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I'm confused, I'm a Canadian living in the United States (25years). My recruiter said to get a background check online, instead of going to Canada. Am I to understand I need an RCMP background check? I live close enough and can run across the border however... I thought I was getting the online one for $60. Please help me to understand. I'll be teaching in S Korea as well.

That's actually a strange circumstance and if you have immediate family living in Canada you may want to see about going to the local police and using that address for your CRC with VSS.
That might be the quickest way. If not your only option will probably be getting prints done in the US and having them sent to the RCMP for the CRC/VSS. Also, consider that depending on who you get in Korean immigration if they notice you've lived/been domiciled in the US for that period of time they might ask for an American police check. It's unlikely but possible.

I'll leave it up to you to determine the cost/benefit of going overkill and having every bit of documentation possible and being prepared for any eventuality. Also, when you are getting your documents notarised it might be helpful to get an extra 2-3 copies of everything notarised at the same time. If something is lost or misplaced those additional copies for your own records are viable for 6 months and could save you headaches with international phone calls to try to sort everything out.

Good luck
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: travelingCeee on March 05, 2015, 12:18:56 pm
QUESTION:

Just say I go to Canada and I buy a money order in Canada for $25. Then I return to Korea after my vacation in Canada, and then after returning to Korea I order my Canadian CRC. Will the RCMP still accept my Canadian money order purchased from Canada from a Canadian bank (even if I send the request form from Korea)?

Once you're in Korea you aren't able to request a Canadian CRC (unless you know someone in the RCMP or you get lucky). Once outside Canada, you must be fingerprinted by a local police agency then contact a third party to submit your fingerprints for you. We aren't able to submit our fingerprints ourselves any longer, by mail or e-mail.

I'm not sure what the money order for $25 is for? To use a third party to submit your prints will cost at least $150 CAD.

The money order is for the processing fee.
I still have the fingerprinting form sent to be from the Canadian consulate here in Korea. I will still get my fingerprints. I will still send it to Canada. So who is that thrid party I can send it through?

I used XL-ID Solutions and had a positive experience. https://xl-id.com You can apply on their website and they'll send you an email with all the relevant info. You have to mail them your prints and they apply to the RCMP for you.

Alternatively, if you or your family know someone in a local police station (non-RCMP) that will run a check for you then do that. I just had the local police check with no fingerprints and it was accepted at immigration.

How did you get a CRC with a Vulnerable Sector Check through XL-ID? The RCMP says that VSCs can only be processed by the police service where you live.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cr-cj/index-eng.htm#rc
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: ehenness on March 05, 2015, 01:13:47 pm
You can't get a Vulnerable Sector Check for a job outside Canada...I had a recruiter try to tell me it was mandatory, so I contacted the RCMP and this is a copy/paste of the e-mail:

Myself:
Hello,

I am applying to teach english in a public school in south korea and the board of education requires a vulnerable sector check by the RCMP. However, when I went to edmonton police services today to get fingerprinted, I was told it is not possible to obtain a vulnerable sector check for use outside Canada. Is this correct?

Thank you



RCMP:
Good day
 
 Vulnerable sector checks can only be performed for positions located within Canada. Police agencies are not authorized to perform vulnerable sector checks for positions located outside of Canada. This rule applies even if the person will be working for a Canadian organization

Thank you for contacting us,
Merci de nous contacter ,
The Call Center of CFSS - Centre d’appel du STDC
RCMP - Forensic Science and Identification Services
GRC - Services des sciences judiciaires et de l’identité
Canadian Criminal Real Time Identification Services
Services canadiens d'identification criminelle en temps réel
Civil Fingerprint Screening Services
Services de triage des dactylogrammes civils

SHM
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: sass on March 05, 2015, 07:08:03 pm
A Vulnerable Sector Check isn't necessary for Canadians. My last criminal check was from a local police detachment and didn't require fingerprints. It was approved by immigration a couple of weeks ago. Recruiters often don't know what they're talking about when it comes to Canadian criminal record checks. Ignore them or go with someone else.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Jgrat on March 06, 2015, 07:56:33 am
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A Vulnerable Sector Check isn't necessary for Canadians. My last criminal check was from a local police detachment and didn't require fingerprints. It was approved by immigration a couple of weeks ago. Recruiters often don't know what they're talking about when it comes to Canadian criminal record checks. Ignore them or go with someone else.

Good to know. I'll have to tell my dad that next time I ask him to print me off my next record check so he doesn't check that box
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: tamjen on June 09, 2015, 12:35:38 pm
I just had my fingerprints and CRC done by the RCMP. A friend is an Inspector with them and he told me the best way to go about it.

He emailed me a copy of the form the RCMP use. I will attach it.

Print it out. It must be 8.5" X 14 " and it must be in colour.

He suggested 4 different organisations the RCMP uses as an intermediary. Of the 4 I chose
XL-ID in Montreal. Their website seemed to be clearer and easier to deal with.

I forgot to write the order number down that you get from XL-ID after you have paid and include it in the EMS package . I called and left a voice mail message telling them and I gave my phone number. Someone called me from Montreal straight away and said it was no problem they had me in their system. Customer service!

I printed out the form and went to the local cop shop in my town of 15,000 people. I said I needed fingerprints done. They were accommodating and after finding the right room and person who had the ink pad we did them. The form is very easy to follow and tells you what to do and where to place each finger and how (roll it or place them flat)

I have read that there are cop shops here that won't do foreigner prints. That is crap. If you were arrested for something they'd take your prints pretty quick!

I sent the form to XL-ID May 27th via EMS at the local post office. They got it and scanned my fingerprints as per the RCMP's instructions then forwarded the scanned prints to Ottawa and sent me an email on May 3rd saying they'd done so. I got an email yesterday, June 8th, that they were done and being picked up by a courier and being sent back to me in Korea. I expect them late this week or early next week. So, about 3 weeks from sending them to Canada to receiving my CRC back.

It cost $245, which is expensive, but that covers everything, including the courier back to Korea. 

Quick and painless.

The form is attached. Here's the website. https://xl-id.com/
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: tamjen on June 13, 2015, 09:46:57 am
I got my fingerprints yesterday, June 12. So from mailing them to Canada to receiving them in Korea was a total of 14 days I believe.

I clean! I fooled them all again  hahahahahahahahahah a
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Cranberryopah on July 07, 2015, 03:27:54 pm
My office admin is having difficulty finding Legal paper (8.5 x 14") metric (size 215.9 x 355.6). Where can we find some on which to print the fingerprint form?
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: tamjen on July 07, 2015, 05:45:33 pm
Really? There should e some at your school. It's B4 size paper. The normal photocopies are done on A4.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: Cranberryopah on July 08, 2015, 06:42:21 am
Thank you for reminding me about it being B4. That's prolly the clarifying info they need.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: juslisen on August 17, 2015, 06:32:28 am
For anyone in Toronto, don't go to your local police station, go directly to one of the companies in town that has the criminal background check, fingerprint service. I went with the commissionaires office, it took 72 hours for the RCMP to process the request, and it was mailed to me the day after.

I paid around $70 that includes the $25 charged by the RCMP and the fee charged by the commissionaires company.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: poppy on October 30, 2015, 09:43:53 am
I am currently in Korea and may need to get a new RCMP police check.  I no how to get the actual police check but does immigration here still require that it be stamped by the Korean consulate in Canada.  When I came in 2010 it was required but I have heard that it is no longer necessary just have it notarized.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: courtneym on October 30, 2015, 11:36:14 am
I am currently in Korea and may need to get a new RCMP police check.  I no how to get the actual police check but does immigration here still require that it be stamped by the Korean consulate in Canada.  When I came in 2010 it was required but I have heard that it is no longer necessary just have it notarized.

I think it is the opposite, unfortunately. When I was getting my documents ready this summer, the RCMP check did not need to be notarized, but I did have to take it to the consulate to have it verified and stamped there.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: DaStrongOne on March 15, 2016, 12:51:06 pm
I went to get my CRC today at the local RCMP and they said I didn't need to give my fingerprints. It still says on the RCMP website that you need fingerprints taken, so I'm just wondering if this is common now. I saw this happened to a poster last year.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: courtneym on March 15, 2016, 03:06:02 pm
I went to get my CRC today at the local RCMP and they said I didn't need to give my fingerprints. It still says on the RCMP website that you need fingerprints taken, so I'm just wondering if this is common now. I saw this happened to a poster last year.

The RCMP may not require your fingerprints to run a general CRC, but your Korean immigration will not accept a CRC done without fingerprints (unless they've changed the rules since I came here in September). Just tell your local RCMP that it's to get a visa for an international job and you need to have a fingerprint check done.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: DaStrongOne on March 16, 2016, 07:47:33 am
I went to get my CRC today at the local RCMP and they said I didn't need to give my fingerprints. It still says on the RCMP website that you need fingerprints taken, so I'm just wondering if this is common now. I saw this happened to a poster last year.

The RCMP may not require your fingerprints to run a general CRC, but your Korean immigration will not accept a CRC done without fingerprints (unless they've changed the rules since I came here in September). Just tell your local RCMP that it's to get a visa for an international job and you need to have a fingerprint check done.

On your CRC, does it have images of your fingerprints?
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: gnomon on March 16, 2016, 07:57:30 am
Vulnerable sector checks can only be performed for positions located within Canada. Police agencies are not authorized to perform vulnerable sector checks for positions located outside of Canada. This rule applies even if the person will be working for a Canadian organization

This is absolutely true. You can't get a Vulnerable Sector Check from Canada for a job outside of Canada.

Also, as someone here on my fifth year now, I've had to submit two Canadian CRCs in that time, neither of which needed fingerprinting. I just got one from my local police in Ontario, and the other I used an online service that did the check through a Nova Scotia (or maybe NB) police station. The only fingerprints I've ever given to Korea is the thumb and index fingers on those scanners when you go through immigration.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: DaStrongOne on March 16, 2016, 08:41:25 am
Also, as someone here on my fifth year now, I've had to submit two Canadian CRCs in that time, neither of which needed fingerprinting. I just got one from my local police in Ontario, and the other I used an online service that did the check through a Nova Scotia (or maybe NB) police station. The only fingerprints I've ever given to Korea is the thumb and index fingers on those scanners when you go through immigration.

Cool that's what I wanted to know.

My mother thinks that if there's a record matching one's exact name, that they'll bring one back and have fingerprints done to confirm it's not one's record.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: courtneym on March 16, 2016, 10:49:54 am
Korean Immigration (and therefore the Consulates in Canada) previously accepted regular CRCs, but changed to only accepting CRCs with fingerprints starting April 1st, 2015.

http://can-vancouver.mofa.go.kr/english/am/can-vancouver/visa/criminal/index.jsp
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: gnomon on March 16, 2016, 01:42:05 pm
Korean Immigration (and therefore the Consulates in Canada) previously accepted regular CRCs, but changed to only accepting CRCs with fingerprints starting April 1st, 2015.

http://can-vancouver.mofa.go.kr/english/am/can-vancouver/visa/criminal/index.jsp

That link only mentions CRCs coming from BC, AB, SK, YK, and NWT. The website for the Korean Consulate in Toronto doesn't mention needing fingerprints at all.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: DaStrongOne on March 16, 2016, 01:51:20 pm
Korean Immigration (and therefore the Consulates in Canada) previously accepted regular CRCs, but changed to only accepting CRCs with fingerprints starting April 1st, 2015.

http://can-vancouver.mofa.go.kr/english/am/can-vancouver/visa/criminal/index.jsp

Hmm wonder if gnomon didn't have to cause he was in Ontario. I insisted on getting my fingerprints taken at the local police station, but he said it wasn't necessary. I can't see why having fingerprints on it matters though.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: DaStrongOne on March 16, 2016, 01:56:37 pm
Korean Immigration (and therefore the Consulates in Canada) previously accepted regular CRCs, but changed to only accepting CRCs with fingerprints starting April 1st, 2015.

http://can-vancouver.mofa.go.kr/english/am/can-vancouver/visa/criminal/index.jsp

That link only mentions CRCs coming from BC, AB, SK, YK, and NWT. The website for the Korean Consulate in Toronto doesn't mention needing fingerprints at all.

A bit curious here. Did you get your degree and CRC notarized at a Korean embassy, send your documents to Korea, receive your NOA, then go to the embassy again to get the visa issued?
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: CO2 on March 16, 2016, 02:05:26 pm
On a side note, do you know if these expire? I have the same one marked Dec 2012, stamped by the embassy etc. I've used it for the first job (when I still lived in Canada) and the subsequent 3 jobs I've had here.

Is it good forever? I've lived in Korea the entire time, if that helps.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: DaStrongOne on March 17, 2016, 12:38:41 am
On a side note, do you know if these expire? I have the same one marked Dec 2012, stamped by the embassy etc. I've used it for the first job (when I still lived in Canada) and the subsequent 3 jobs I've had here.

Is it good forever? I've lived in Korea the entire time, if that helps.

Valid for six months I think
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: gnomon on March 17, 2016, 07:17:08 am
Korean Immigration (and therefore the Consulates in Canada) previously accepted regular CRCs, but changed to only accepting CRCs with fingerprints starting April 1st, 2015.

http://can-vancouver.mofa.go.kr/english/am/can-vancouver/visa/criminal/index.jsp

That link only mentions CRCs coming from BC, AB, SK, YK, and NWT. The website for the Korean Consulate in Toronto doesn't mention needing fingerprints at all.

A bit curious here. Did you get your degree and CRC notarized at a Korean embassy, send your documents to Korea, receive your NOA, then go to the embassy again to get the visa issued?

Let's see if I can remember. Degree copies notarized by a lawyer. Notarized degree and CRC stamped by Korean embassy. Mailed to Korea. NOA given by recruiter/employer. Back to embassy to get visa in passport.

On a side note, do you know if these expire? I have the same one marked Dec 2012, stamped by the embassy etc. I've used it for the first job (when I still lived in Canada) and the subsequent 3 jobs I've had here.

Is it good forever? I've lived in Korea the entire time, if that helps.

Valid for six months I think

Six months before submitting it. If it's on file, and you remain on the same visa, you shouldn't need a new one, at least not from Canada. I know people who have had to get Korean CRCs for new jobs instead.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: DaStrongOne on April 25, 2016, 05:00:22 pm
FYI: It took 7 business days to receive my CRC.

Unless you're on Vancouver Island it could come sooner since it's mailed from Ottawa.
Title: Re: Fingerprints/Criminal Record Check (Canadian Teachers)
Post by: spooky87 on March 28, 2017, 07:54:03 am
I have sent all the necessary E-2 Visa documents to my recruiter in Korea.  She is now saying that immigration will only accept a fingerprint check for my Visa Issuance Number.  However, when I applied for a Visa in October 2015 I did not require this.  I sent a standard RCMP check, the same I sent this time.  I am from Ontario, btw.  Is there anything I can say to my recruiter to avoid getting the fingerprint check?
I have read over this thread and noticed that others have had the same experience.  They only needed an RCMP check without fingerprints.
So frustrating...