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Title: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on July 07, 2015, 02:15:56 pm
Are you sick of all the complaining in otherwise docile, "family friendly" threads? Are you tired of threads getting locked because a few bad apples spoil all of the fun?

Worry no more! This is the thread for you! Complain about culture! Complain about how you stubbed your toe on the bed lst night! Complain about your back acne!

Don't like hearing complaints? Then leave! It's that simple.

I'll kick things off...... I let my second batch of makgeolli ferment for 9 days instead of seven and it was sour as hell. Still drinkable, but I'm disappointed in myself. Here's to my next batch............. Cherry Vanilla Makgeolli! 파이팅
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Tinsley on July 07, 2015, 02:40:36 pm
I'd like to complain about this thread... and how BS it is that we seem to need one. Kudos to you for the idea, but I'm doubtful that it'll stop the complaints all over the site :(

Cherry Vanilla Makgeolli sounds delish, though.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: 외계인 on July 07, 2015, 02:42:38 pm
Are you sick of all the complaining in otherwise docile, "family friendly" threads? Are you tired of threads getting locked because a few bad apples spoil all of the fun?

Worry no more! This is the thread for you! Complain about culture! Complain about how you stubbed your toe on the bed lst night! Complain about your back acne!

Don't like hearing complaints? Then leave! It's that simple.

I'll kick things off...... I let my second batch of makgeolli ferment for 9 days instead of seven and it was sour as hell. Still drinkable, but I'm disappointed in myself. Here's to my next batch............. Cherry Vanilla Makgeolli! 파이팅

I love the infomercial style. Very Oxiclean.

Also, why don't you send me sample of that Cherry Vanilla Makgeolli?  What's the percent on that?  Just one bottle will do. Thanks.  :-*
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Horus on July 07, 2015, 02:56:42 pm
Once again a narcissistic member of the twiiter generation feels it necessary to share every minute detail of their droll lives with the global village. "I didn't enjoy that makkoli...better post about it on facebook, twitter and waygook."

Be sure to let us know if you burn your toast tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: 외계인 on July 07, 2015, 03:01:57 pm
Once again a narcissistic member of the twiiter generation feels it necessary to share every minute detail of their droll lives with the global village. "I didn't enjoy that makkoli...better post about it on facebook, twitter and waygook."

Be sure to let us know if you burn your toast tomorrow morning.

geez, Horus.  Who took the jam out of your donut today.  Or just in the mood for a bit of trolling?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on July 07, 2015, 03:02:56 pm
Once again a narcissistic member of the twiiter generation feels it necessary to share every minute detail of their droll lives with the global village. "I didn't enjoy that makkoli...better post about it on facebook, twitter and waygook."

Be sure to let us know if you burn your toast tomorrow morning.

You seem pleasant. I was just starting a thread for people to complain in. This is my complaint recently, it was incidental to the thread. I lead a pretty charmed life, honestly.

I'm also not of the twitter generation. Thanks for assuming though. I'm also not narcissistic either, I'm a pretty shitty person, in all truth.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on July 07, 2015, 03:09:11 pm
Once again a narcissistic member of the twiiter generation feels it necessary to share every minute detail of their droll lives with the global village. "I didn't enjoy that makkoli...better post about it on facebook, twitter and waygook."

Be sure to let us know if you burn your toast tomorrow morning.

You seem pleasant. I was just starting a thread for people to complain in. This is my complaint recently, it was incidental to the thread. I lead a pretty charmed life, honestly.

I'm also not of the twitter generation. Thanks for assuming though. I'm also not narcissistic either, I'm a pretty shitty person, in all truth.

Chirping in again when I'm not needed. The fact that you decided to share such a mundane story about your sad makgeolli prove that you are indeed a part of the twitter generation.

Anyways to stay on topic...:

I hiked 10 hours over the weekend + Monday (took unpaid day off since parents flew to Korea to visit), which for someone like me, is way too much. I am all tired and sore. I mean, I know my parents wanted to go and all, and I only saw them for 3 days, so I should accompany them, but mah legsssssssss. I'll post a photo of my mundane trip to Yeongam's Cloud bridge if I remember.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: cjszk on July 07, 2015, 03:15:13 pm
Oh yes, this came out at just the perfect time.

I am so damn sick of the simple minded mono cultural society of Korea where people learn to shut their minds and view the world in a one dimensional view. They cannot understand multi culturalism and it makes me sick flipping back and forth between playing foreigner at school and finally being free after school. I mean, I definitely sympathize with foreigners who play foreigner involuntarily 24/7 during their time in Korea but it makes me sick to the stomach that I have to deny half of my identity and oftentimes even feign ignorance of the Korean language and culture at school. The result? I have to listen to other damn teachers blabber their stupid stereotype nonsense bull crap about foreigners and how Koreans need to learn English because they will never be able to do anything outside of Korea and how foreigners will hate them if they don't know English... (students turn to look at me as crazy homeroom teacher says this).
I got so sick of this today, in the only class where I can get away with speaking Korean, (because I teach it alone with only a few low level students) I actually turned the class into a whole lecture in Korean (to 4th graders... I wanted to open their minds a bit to feel some sense of humanity from these... creatures known as 우리나라사람...).

Teacher: In this world there are many different kinds of people, Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, white people, black people... (in English this sounds so twisted, yes, but Koreans view the world more like this as you know).
Teacher: If a white person didn't like Korean people, how would you feel?
Student: ...I don't know...
Teacher: How do you feel when someone doesn't like you?
Student: ...Bad?
Teacher: So how do you think you would feel if a white person didn't like you because you were Korean?
Student: ...Bad...
Teacher: Exactly. This is why you should not hate different people just because of what people tell you.

Teacher: What if a Korean was born in America, does not speak Korean, yet his parents are still Korean, but he knows nothing of Korea and speaks English only... is he still Korean?
Student: ...I don't know. What is (that person)?
Teacher: Tell me what you think. Think about it well.
Student: ...I don't know.
Teacher: Okay, what if an American person was born in Korea, speaks only Korean, goes to a Korean school and mingles with Korean friends... Is he American or Korean?
Student: ...I don't know.
Teacher: Yes, now what about a person who is half Korean and half American? What do you think that person is?
Student: ...I don't know... but when teacher speaks English teacher looks like foreigner and when teacher speaks Korean teacher looks like Korean...

The talk went on longer but point is... I was just so stressed out today I wanted to teach a Korean child to critically think about race... Maybe I took it overboard... but I think taking 20 minutes of a class to teach a child to wonder about race, nationality and identity is important to undo the stupid brainwashing of this society that teaches them "You are Korean, so you do this and that, they are Foreigner so they do this and that..."
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on July 07, 2015, 03:24:47 pm
Once again a narcissistic member of the twiiter generation feels it necessary to share every minute detail of their droll lives with the global village. "I didn't enjoy that makkoli...better post about it on facebook, twitter and waygook."

Be sure to let us know if you burn your toast tomorrow morning.

You seem pleasant. I was just starting a thread for people to complain in. This is my complaint recently, it was incidental to the thread. I lead a pretty charmed life, honestly.

I'm also not of the twitter generation. Thanks for assuming though. I'm also not narcissistic either, I'm a pretty shitty person, in all truth.

Chirping in again when I'm not needed. The fact that you decided to share such a mundane story about your sad makgeolli prove that you are indeed a part of the twitter generation.

Anyways to stay on topic...:

I hiked 10 hours over the weekend + Monday (took unpaid day off since parents flew to Korea to visit), which for someone like me, is way too much. I am all tired and sore. I mean, I know my parents wanted to go and all, and I only saw them for 3 days, so I should accompany them, but mah legsssssssss. I'll post a photo of my mundane trip to Yeongam's Cloud bridge if I remember.

Let me say this again, my complaint was incidental to the thread I started. We al know how the threads have been going recently, so I decided to maker a place where getting into arguments and complaining about things wouldn't derail or go off topic.

I could have said my first two paragraphs with my infomercial-esque banter and left it at that, sure. But I decided to put my money where my mouth is and start complaining.

TL:DR I didn't start the thread due to my makgeolli, I started it due to locked threads and moderator heavy handedness. I'm done discussing this specific point. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: YoungMin on July 07, 2015, 03:28:37 pm
My brain contemplating whether to make an OP's mom joke...

http://imgur.com/gallery/ffCQINB
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: yfb on July 07, 2015, 03:28:37 pm
Rant while you can,  these threads devolve into flame wars and tend to be locked pretty quickly
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on July 07, 2015, 03:30:35 pm
Rant while you can,  these threads devolve into flame wars and tend to be locked pretty quickly

My hope is that the title alone will be sufficient to leave it alone. Don't like complaints? GTFO
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on July 07, 2015, 03:31:05 pm
Having a car would make my commute shorter and more tolerable, but the prospect of obtaining a license and a car all on my own here is daunting, and Korean traffic terrifies me.

First world problems, I suppose.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 07, 2015, 03:32:09 pm
I like cjsk's post.

Cherry Vanilla Makgeolli! 파이팅

TEACHER GIVE ME PLEASE

Once again a narcissistic member of the twiiter generation feels it necessary to share every minute detail of their droll lives with the global village. "I didn't enjoy that makkoli...better post about it on facebook, twitter and waygook."

Be sure to let us know if you burn your toast tomorrow morning.

Jesus tapdancing Christ, who burned yours?!


My insane coteacher sent me a flurry of angry CoolMessages today because she thought I was skipping the review portion of class. When I pointed out to her that I had no choice because she sat down at the computer (that's connected to the TV/monitor) and started loading the CD, I got to have the following conversation [edited for clarity]:

CRAZYBITCH JONES: "u should do ur job"
ME: "I don't know what you mean. You sat down and were using the computer. Usually, when you do that, it means that you are starting your portion of the class. I could not use the PPT when you were using the CD."
CRAZYBITCH JONES: "u dont need use PPT"
ME: "You asked me to prepare a PPT and I was planning on using it. Again, you were in my way. I can't read your mind."
CRAZYBITCH JONES: "u should ask questions for students"
ME: "Why are you starting this ridiculous argument? Please stop bothering me with this nonsense."
CRAZYBITCH JONES: *20 mins later* "STOP TALKING"

Bitch, I did. LOL. Then she walked around the classroom muttering to herself.

Only three more weeks of this lunatic...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: MayorHaggar on July 07, 2015, 08:32:32 pm
What's the deal with the way that all parking spaces are compact car-size, when most people have SUV's? I have a compact car and everytime I park it's impossible to get out of my car because there's some Ssangyong Ajeossi Premium parked halfway in my space.


Having a car would make my commute shorter and more tolerable, but the prospect of obtaining a license and a car all on my own here is daunting, and Korean traffic terrifies me.

First world problems, I suppose.

It's not that hard, worst thing is the driver's license office and car registration office having hours that aren't conducive to people with jobs.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: 외계인 on July 07, 2015, 08:40:16 pm
What's the deal with the way that all parking spaces are compact car-size, when most people have SUV's? I have a compact car and everytime I park it's impossible to get out of my car because there's some Ssangyong Ajeossi Premium parked halfway in my space.


Having a car would make my commute shorter and more tolerable, but the prospect of obtaining a license and a car all on my own here is daunting, and Korean traffic terrifies me.

First world problems, I suppose.

It's not that hard, worst thing is the driver's license office and car registration office having hours that aren't conducive to people with jobs.

Much like pretty much everything else here.  But don't worry, you can get a bad cup of coffee at 12 am.  But, not 8 am.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Nivea on July 08, 2015, 05:45:44 am
I dislike the English Pizza Hut site, its very buggy and requires some sort of cell phone registration. Why bother with an English site, if its so half-arsed.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: waygo0k on July 08, 2015, 06:27:45 am
I dislike the English Pizza Hut site, its very buggy and requires some sort of cell phone registration. Why bother with an English site, if its so half-arsed.

Gotta look 'global'...even if it's half-arsed global.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: waygo0k on July 08, 2015, 06:44:54 am
What's the deal with the way that all parking spaces are compact car-size, when most people have SUV's? I have a compact car and everytime I park it's impossible to get out of my car because there's some Ssangyong Ajeossi Premium parked halfway in my space.

Parking etiquette here can give a saint homicidal tendencies. People sandwich you in such a way that their bumper is practically touching yours at both ends.

I've lost count of the amount of times I wasn't able to walk in front or behind my car when it was sandwiched like that.

The other peeve I have is the blatant lack of regard for other peoples' vehicles. Back when I had a motorcycle, I once saw some girls taking pictures on it.

Someone else dropped cigarette ash on my seat, burning a hole into it, they should thank the gods I didn't see them do it because I would have made them either eat their packet of cigarettes or pay for a new seat there and then.

Another time, some dumb asshole tried to move my 250CC wheel locked motorcycle just so he could squeeze his delivery bike next to it...he needed a change in underwear that day. He was one of the few unlucky ones I've had the pleasure of catching in the act.

My car has a few tiny dings and scratches positioned in such a way they could only be done by car doors or someone driving past and not paying attention. One that really had me fuming for weeks was the scratch that happened 3 days after my car got a new coating.

Rant semi-over!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: sejongthefabulous on July 08, 2015, 07:32:43 am
I'm going to rant about some obnoxious group of posters who really want to rant and complain, despite warnings from moderators and distaste from many other members. We don't want you to do it here. You can do it elsewhere. We don't want you to complain that moderators are not doing their job. We definitely don't want you to take over this site and suggest you have the capacity to even pretend you can choose your own moderators. We hope you find a new site to spew your nonsense on and go away.

Don't complain just to complain (rant). Don't start anymore threads about it, don't pretend to start thread on something else while starting threads on it, and please stop long chains of quoting quotes and ranting on threads that aren't intended to be rant threads.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: MartinBrez on July 08, 2015, 07:45:33 am
Aside from The Korean School of Motoring; two things get on my t*ts here!

My fifth and sixth grade students who write their r's that look like v's or t's. I shouldn't have to be giving you writing practice sheets, but I will continue to give you them.

Honey-butter everything! It's disgusting!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: mixedinkorea on July 08, 2015, 07:55:52 am
My only complaint is, I got off my regular birth control when I came here, so now I'm on some random one that doesn't do much for your skin. I am breaking out baaad for the first time ever and it's driving me crazy. I'm not sure if it's because I'm in a new place, or just because of getting off my BC ): hoping I can get some to last me a while when I visit home next month

And the acne regimen I was on before taking BC doesn't seem to be helping either.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: mdhj7777 on July 08, 2015, 07:57:08 am
Why do coffee shops open at 10 AM?
And why is it I can never find a cafe in Korea? They are almost non-existent here.....
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 08, 2015, 07:57:50 am
I'm going to rant about some obnoxious group of posters who really want to rant and complain, despite warnings from moderators and distaste from many other members. We don't want you to do it here. You can do it elsewhere. We don't want you to complain that moderators are not doing their job. We definitely don't want you to take over this site and suggest you have the capacity to even pretend you can choose your own moderators. We hope you find a new site to spew your nonsense on and go away.

Don't complain just to complain (rant). Don't start anymore threads about it, don't pretend to start thread on something else while starting threads on it, and please stop long chains of quoting quotes and ranting on threads that aren't intended to be rant threads.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 08, 2015, 08:15:55 am
Every Sunday, in the downtown of where I live, rich kids like to cruise through with their, fancy expensive cars. Now I don't care too much, they are nice cars and you don't see them often around these parts. However, why would you have a Ferrari, Porsche, Hummer or Lamborghini  (these are the ones I've seen)  in a country with such terrible driving! Why would you pay that much for a fast car that has no chance of going very fast, just go have it it get minorly or majorly damaged. The kids (usually) driving them look like grade A douchebags. The guy who tried to drive his full size Hummer through the downtown had a hard time keeping it in between the posts on either side of him. Good thing it was a one way street.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Soggysocks on July 08, 2015, 08:23:18 am
I don't usually post in these threads, mainly because I never feel the need to rant. Yes, I get annoyed by things here, but I get over it.

However, I spent 2.5 hours trying to order a swimsuit off of the Korean Forever 21 site. I have never in my life experienced such a hassle and inconvenience while trying to order something online. It wasn't because everything was in Korean, or because I didn't know how to input my address, it was trying to pay with my Korean credit card that made it such a nightmare. Having to switch to IE, then having to download FOUR different security programs, having to start over because I put in the wrong verification identification code, then finally pressing submit to have absolutely nothing happen! No confirmation, no deduction of 38,000 won from my account, and no swimsuit, but I did manage to enroll in some sort of card membership program, that is 5,000 won a month. WTF? Signing up for online banking was easier than this.

I was so frustrated that I had wasted that time. It was 9:30 by the time I gave up. I still needed to cook dinner, work on a lesson plan, get a workout in.

Back home, all you would need to order online is your card number and address.

Incidentally, I'm going to Busan this weekend to meet up with friends, so I will just physically go to F21 and buy a swimsuit in person.

Sigh, what can you do, eh?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on July 08, 2015, 08:30:33 am
I'm going to rant about some obnoxious group of posters who really want to rant and complain, despite warnings from moderators and distaste from many other members. We don't want you to do it here. You can do it elsewhere. We don't want you to complain that moderators are not doing their job. We definitely don't want you to take over this site and suggest you have the capacity to even pretend you can choose your own moderators. We hope you find a new site to spew your nonsense on and go away.

Don't complain just to complain (rant). Don't start anymore threads about it, don't pretend to start thread on something else while starting threads on it, and please stop long chains of quoting quotes and ranting on threads that aren't intended to be rant threads.

(http://ashrocketship.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/dontlikething.png)

(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-53948-Shia-LaBeouf-Citizen-Kane-slow-Mdc4.gif)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on July 08, 2015, 09:03:56 am
Contrarians, on Waygook.org.

Whenever someone starts complaining about something seemingly indefensible (Lyrics from mainstream 'hip-hop' music, Fan Death, Koreanized pizza etc.) you get a bunch of people agreeing or sharing similar stories. Then, you get some guy getting off his high horse to complain how 'narrow-minded' the complainer is and go on some moral crusade to correct our peasantry behaviour. In truth, this person is just trying to give the impression that they're smarter, more unique, more open-minded and more civilised than you.

There are exceptions to almost every rule, but ain't nobody got the time to keep mentioning it, or list every single exception just to keep these insufferable PC and contrarian blowhards happy.


Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 08, 2015, 09:14:21 am
THANK U SHIA THE BEEF
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on July 08, 2015, 09:30:58 am
Contrarians, on Waygook.org.

Whenever someone starts complaining about something seemingly indefensible (Lyrics from mainstream 'hip-hop' music, Fan Death, Koreanized pizza etc.) you get a bunch of people agreeing or sharing similar stories. Then, you get some guy getting off his high horse to complain how 'narrow-minded' the complainer is and go on some moral crusade to correct our peasantry behaviour. In truth, this person is just trying to give the impression that they're smarter, more unique, more open-minded and more civilised than you.

There are exceptions to almost every rule, but ain't nobody got the time to keep mentioning it, or list every single exception just to keep these insufferable PC and contrarian blowhards happy.

What I hear from these people is,
"Het guys, can you stop complaining in the Rant/Vent thread? I don't like it."

Go create a unicorn thread then and I'll stay the hell out of it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on July 08, 2015, 09:38:44 am
Contrarians, on Waygook.org.

Whenever someone starts complaining about something seemingly indefensible (Lyrics from mainstream 'hip-hop' music, Fan Death, Koreanized pizza etc.) you get a bunch of people agreeing or sharing similar stories. Then, you get some guy getting off his high horse to complain how 'narrow-minded' the complainer is and go on some moral crusade to correct our peasantry behaviour. In truth, this person is just trying to give the impression that they're smarter, more unique, more open-minded and more civilised than you.

There are exceptions to almost every rule, but ain't nobody got the time to keep mentioning it, or list every single exception just to keep these insufferable PC and contrarian blowhards happy.

What I hear from these people is,
"Het guys, can you stop complaining in the Rant/Vent thread? I don't like it."

Go create a unicorn thread then and I'll stay the hell out of it.

Don't think you get the point. I can't just go start a "Lets hate on black people" thread. There are pointless threads that have nothing to do with the forum, and this is one of them. I wouldn't go start a thread about kimchi in a photography forum.

People complain about complainers who are complaining about stupid shit.  Guess what? Get rid of the pointless complainers, and those "defenders" will disappear as well.

also, If Aristocrat feels that way, aren't you a big ol hypocrite, thinking you are better than those "contrarians" by complaining how they shouldn't be complaining about complainers?

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: purpleradish on July 08, 2015, 09:46:00 am
Why do coffee shops open at 10 AM?
And why is it I can never find a cafe in Korea? They are almost non-existent here.....

What?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on July 08, 2015, 09:46:19 am
Here is the forum you guys should be visiting.

http://theerant.yuku.com/forums/58#.VZx_6BuqpHw
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Zealot_Hill on July 08, 2015, 10:21:25 am
Dog meat...

And constantly being "tricked" by my coworkers who think it's great sport and then when I take the base assumption that everything odd they tell me is a joke/lie it becomes an issue when I assume wrongly.

*Hold up m*******ers let's get this straight...*

"Oh so she really is dead? I thought you were joking..."

*awkward silence*
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: 외계인 on July 08, 2015, 10:26:36 am
Contrarians, on Waygook.org.

Whenever someone starts complaining about something seemingly indefensible (Lyrics from mainstream 'hip-hop' music, Fan Death, Koreanized pizza etc.) you get a bunch of people agreeing or sharing similar stories. Then, you get some guy getting off his high horse to complain how 'narrow-minded' the complainer is and go on some moral crusade to correct our peasantry behaviour. In truth, this person is just trying to give the impression that they're smarter, more unique, more open-minded and more civilised than you.

There are exceptions to almost every rule, but ain't nobody got the time to keep mentioning it, or list every single exception just to keep these insufferable PC and contrarian blowhards happy.

What I hear from these people is,
"Het guys, can you stop complaining in the Rant/Vent thread? I don't like it."

Go create a unicorn thread then and I'll stay the hell out of it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: 외계인 on July 08, 2015, 10:28:31 am
Contrarians, on Waygook.org.

Whenever someone starts complaining about something seemingly indefensible (Lyrics from mainstream 'hip-hop' music, Fan Death, Koreanized pizza etc.) you get a bunch of people agreeing or sharing similar stories. Then, you get some guy getting off his high horse to complain how 'narrow-minded' the complainer is and go on some moral crusade to correct our peasantry behaviour. In truth, this person is just trying to give the impression that they're smarter, more unique, more open-minded and more civilised than you.

There are exceptions to almost every rule, but ain't nobody got the time to keep mentioning it, or list every single exception just to keep these insufferable PC and contrarian blowhards happy.

What I hear from these people is,
"Het guys, can you stop complaining in the Rant/Vent thread? I don't like it."

Go create a unicorn thread then and I'll stay the hell out of it.

Don't think you get the point. I can't just go start a "Lets hate on black people" thread. There are pointless threads that have nothing to do with the forum, and this is one of them. I wouldn't go start a thread about kimchi in a photography forum.

People complain about complainers who are complaining about stupid shit.  Guess what? Get rid of the pointless complainers, and those "defenders" will disappear as well.

also, If Aristocrat feels that way, aren't you a big ol hypocrite, thinking you are better than those "contrarians" by complaining how they shouldn't be complaining about complainers?

And the truth comes out..
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on July 08, 2015, 10:32:03 am
Contrarians, on Waygook.org.

Whenever someone starts complaining about something seemingly indefensible (Lyrics from mainstream 'hip-hop' music, Fan Death, Koreanized pizza etc.) you get a bunch of people agreeing or sharing similar stories. Then, you get some guy getting off his high horse to complain how 'narrow-minded' the complainer is and go on some moral crusade to correct our peasantry behaviour. In truth, this person is just trying to give the impression that they're smarter, more unique, more open-minded and more civilised than you.

There are exceptions to almost every rule, but ain't nobody got the time to keep mentioning it, or list every single exception just to keep these insufferable PC and contrarian blowhards happy.

What I hear from these people is,
"Het guys, can you stop complaining in the Rant/Vent thread? I don't like it."

Go create a unicorn thread then and I'll stay the hell out of it.

Don't think you get the point. I can't just go start a "Lets hate on black people" thread. There are pointless threads that have nothing to do with the forum, and this is one of them. I wouldn't go start a thread about kimchi in a photography forum.

People complain about complainers who are complaining about stupid shit.  Guess what? Get rid of the pointless complainers, and those "defenders" will disappear as well.

also, If Aristocrat feels that way, aren't you a big ol hypocrite, thinking you are better than those "contrarians" by complaining how they shouldn't be complaining about complainers?



'I hate black people thread'  :undecided:

'start a thread about kimchi in a photography forum'. What if it was how to take photos of kimchi. or maybe a whole photo book on kimchi. or a photography project on the history of kimchi, culture of kimchi, people of kimchi?

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: 외계인 on July 08, 2015, 11:18:40 am
I'm going to rant about some obnoxious group of posters who really want to rant and complain, despite warnings from moderators and distaste from many other members. We don't want you to do it here. You can do it elsewhere. We don't want you to complain that moderators are not doing their job. We definitely don't want you to take over this site and suggest you have the capacity to even pretend you can choose your own moderators. We hope you find a new site to spew your nonsense on and go away.

Don't complain just to complain (rant). Don't start anymore threads about it, don't pretend to start thread on something else while starting threads on it, and please stop long chains of quoting quotes and ranting on threads that aren't intended to be rant threads.

So like, you (troll), RichardTang (troll), Timo (troll), etc (troll)?

That's the "we" right?

Given that people are members of this site and subject to certain TOS, one might expect moderators also have their own conditions to follow.  If the community feels that may not be the case, why is it not okay to voice that opinion? Unless, you are all about censorship and limiting freedom of speech. Which you apparently are, unless of course it is sparkling.

The go away part is the best.  How child-like. Or redneck. Or whatever other groups spew nonsense like that. "If you don't like it, you can get out."  Come on. If that is the peak of your argument.. How is anyone supposed to take that seriously?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on July 08, 2015, 11:29:01 am
Contrarians, on Waygook.org.

Whenever someone starts complaining about something seemingly indefensible (Lyrics from mainstream 'hip-hop' music, Fan Death, Koreanized pizza etc.) you get a bunch of people agreeing or sharing similar stories. Then, you get some guy getting off his high horse to complain how 'narrow-minded' the complainer is and go on some moral crusade to correct our peasantry behaviour. In truth, this person is just trying to give the impression that they're smarter, more unique, more open-minded and more civilised than you.

There are exceptions to almost every rule, but ain't nobody got the time to keep mentioning it, or list every single exception just to keep these insufferable PC and contrarian blowhards happy.

What I hear from these people is,
"Het guys, can you stop complaining in the Rant/Vent thread? I don't like it."

Go create a unicorn thread then and I'll stay the hell out of it.

Don't think you get the point. I can't just go start a "Lets hate on black people" thread. There are pointless threads that have nothing to do with the forum, and this is one of them. I wouldn't go start a thread about kimchi in a photography forum.

People complain about complainers who are complaining about stupid shit.  Guess what? Get rid of the pointless complainers, and those "defenders" will disappear as well.

also, If Aristocrat feels that way, aren't you a big ol hypocrite, thinking you are better than those "contrarians" by complaining how they shouldn't be complaining about complainers?

Do you know what indefensible means?

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on July 08, 2015, 11:39:06 am
Contrarians, on Waygook.org.

Whenever someone starts complaining about something seemingly indefensible (Lyrics from mainstream 'hip-hop' music, Fan Death, Koreanized pizza etc.) you get a bunch of people agreeing or sharing similar stories. Then, you get some guy getting off his high horse to complain how 'narrow-minded' the complainer is and go on some moral crusade to correct our peasantry behaviour. In truth, this person is just trying to give the impression that they're smarter, more unique, more open-minded and more civilised than you.

There are exceptions to almost every rule, but ain't nobody got the time to keep mentioning it, or list every single exception just to keep these insufferable PC and contrarian blowhards happy.

What I hear from these people is,
"Het guys, can you stop complaining in the Rant/Vent thread? I don't like it."

Go create a unicorn thread then and I'll stay the hell out of it.

Don't think you get the point. I can't just go start a "Lets hate on black people" thread. There are pointless threads that have nothing to do with the forum, and this is one of them. I wouldn't go start a thread about kimchi in a photography forum.

People complain about complainers who are complaining about stupid shit.  Guess what? Get rid of the pointless complainers, and those "defenders" will disappear as well.

also, If Aristocrat feels that way, aren't you a big ol hypocrite, thinking you are better than those "contrarians" by complaining how they shouldn't be complaining about complainers?



'I hate black people thread'  :undecided:

'start a thread about kimchi in a photography forum'. What if it was how to take photos of kimchi. or maybe a whole photo book on kimchi. or a photography project on the history of kimchi, culture of kimchi, people of kimchi?

I dare you to do an entire gallery on Kimchi :P
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 08, 2015, 11:41:12 am
Since this is a ranting thread, my (korean) boyfriend insists on lying to his entire family throughout the entire duration of our relationship that we live together, until we get married. How much of this is cultural and how much is it him just being a coward? I'm so pissed right now. He said if he is honest with his family that we live together/will live together, they'll like disown him. Which I seriously doubt. His family's pretty modern. How hard is it to tell your family that you're an GROWN MAN and you make your own freaking decisions? How long are u comfortable with lying? Jesus Christ.

Girl, I feel you. Im in a similar situation, except if his fam says he can't marry me he wont... His family is quite traditional. We've only been dating a year, but he's all over my facebook so my entire family knows, and should. I know its Korean culture to not really discuss it with fam sometimes unless marriage is in the cards. But like if our relationship has an expiry date I dunno.
My bfs parents pay for everything. They paid for his uni, hagwon, and expenses when he lived overseas. They give him pocket money every month, buy him clothes, a new bicycle and doesn't need to get a part time job or anything until he finally gets this job hes been preparing for (which he's already failed the test for 3 times). They have him wrapped right around their money finger. I wish my family could/would do that! "That is Korean culture" ya,ya.
I love him to death.So much that I would consider marrying him. But he says if they say no he CAN'T because they would essentially cut him out of the fam. He's the oldest son, blah blah blah. 
I know its frustrating. You are not alone.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on July 08, 2015, 11:43:30 am
I'm going to rant about some obnoxious group of posters who really want to rant and complain, despite warnings from moderators and distaste from many other members. We don't want you to do it here. You can do it elsewhere. We don't want you to complain that moderators are not doing their job. We definitely don't want you to take over this site and suggest you have the capacity to even pretend you can choose your own moderators. We hope you find a new site to spew your nonsense on and go away.

Don't complain just to complain (rant). Don't start anymore threads about it, don't pretend to start thread on something else while starting threads on it, and please stop long chains of quoting quotes and ranting on threads that aren't intended to be rant threads.

So like, you (troll), RichardTang (troll), Timo (troll), etc (troll)?

That's the "we" right?

Given that people are members of this site and subject to certain TOS, one might expect moderators also have their own conditions to follow.  If the community feels that may not be the case, why is it not okay to voice that opinion? Unless, you are all about censorship and limiting freedom of speech. Which you apparently are, unless of course it is sparkling.

The go away part is the best.  How child-like. Or redneck. Or whatever other groups spew nonsense like that. If you don't like it, you can get out."  Come on. "If that is the peak of your argument.. How is anyone supposed to take that seriously?

Don't like it? Get out.

This forum isn't America, with it's everlasting freedom. And even then, a little meme I read yesterday says it even better: American Freedom *Subject to terms and conditions*.

talking to you is worse than talking to a wall. YOu don't like a good suggestion being repeated at you. Kind of like a child hating the advice of their parent. Think the parents should just forget and ignore about you, and put you in an orphanage. In fact I think that's what I'll do.

Good luck in your endeavors. If you don't like it. Get out.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: mxm407 on July 08, 2015, 11:52:41 am
I'm going to rant about some obnoxious group of posters who really want to rant and complain, despite warnings from moderators and distaste from many other members. We don't want you to do it here. You can do it elsewhere. We don't want you to complain that moderators are not doing their job. We definitely don't want you to take over this site and suggest you have the capacity to even pretend you can choose your own moderators. We hope you find a new site to spew your nonsense on and go away.

Don't complain just to complain (rant). Don't start anymore threads about it, don't pretend to start thread on something else while starting threads on it, and please stop long chains of quoting quotes and ranting on threads that aren't intended to be rant threads.

So like, you (troll), RichardTang (troll), Timo (troll), etc (troll)?

That's the "we" right?

Given that people are members of this site and subject to certain TOS, one might expect moderators also have their own conditions to follow.  If the community feels that may not be the case, why is it not okay to voice that opinion? Unless, you are all about censorship and limiting freedom of speech. Which you apparently are, unless of course it is sparkling.

The go away part is the best.  How child-like. Or redneck. Or whatever other groups spew nonsense like that. If you don't like it, you can get out."  Come on. "If that is the peak of your argument.. How is anyone supposed to take that seriously?

Don't like it? Get out.

This forum isn't America, with it's everlasting freedom. And even then, a little meme I read yesterday says it even better: American Freedom *Subject to terms and conditions*.

talking to you is worse than talking to a wall. YOu don't like a good suggestion being repeated at you. Kind of like a child hating the advice of their parent. Think the parents should just forget and ignore about you, and put you in an orphanage. In fact I think that's what I'll do.

Good luck in your endeavors. If you don't like it. Get out.

On one thread you are badmouthing waygook.org and waygookins for 'being a nasty bunch',
and now you are making jokes about orphans. you are a weird little troll. please leave this forum for the good people who want to discuss Korea and issues related to Korea, without having you try to derail everything into a pathetic slanging match.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on July 08, 2015, 11:55:05 am
I'm going to rant about some obnoxious group of posters who really want to rant and complain, despite warnings from moderators and distaste from many other members. We don't want you to do it here. You can do it elsewhere. We don't want you to complain that moderators are not doing their job. We definitely don't want you to take over this site and suggest you have the capacity to even pretend you can choose your own moderators. We hope you find a new site to spew your nonsense on and go away.

Don't complain just to complain (rant). Don't start anymore threads about it, don't pretend to start thread on something else while starting threads on it, and please stop long chains of quoting quotes and ranting on threads that aren't intended to be rant threads.

So like, you (troll), RichardTang (troll), Timo (troll), etc (troll)?

That's the "we" right?

Given that people are members of this site and subject to certain TOS, one might expect moderators also have their own conditions to follow.  If the community feels that may not be the case, why is it not okay to voice that opinion? Unless, you are all about censorship and limiting freedom of speech. Which you apparently are, unless of course it is sparkling.

The go away part is the best.  How child-like. Or redneck. Or whatever other groups spew nonsense like that. If you don't like it, you can get out."  Come on. "If that is the peak of your argument.. How is anyone supposed to take that seriously?

Don't like it? Get out.

This forum isn't America, with it's everlasting freedom. And even then, a little meme I read yesterday says it even better: American Freedom *Subject to terms and conditions*.

talking to you is worse than talking to a wall. YOu don't like a good suggestion being repeated at you. Kind of like a child hating the advice of their parent. Think the parents should just forget and ignore about you, and put you in an orphanage. In fact I think that's what I'll do.

Good luck in your endeavors. If you don't like it. Get out.

On one thread you are badmouthing waygook.org and waygookins for 'being a nasty bunch',
and now you are making jokes about orphans. you are a weird little troll. please leave this forum for the good people who want to discuss Korea and issues related to Korea, without having you try to derail everything into a pathetic slanging match.

How do you derail a rant/venting thread?. Also seems you are starting to see the point I am trying to make. Congratulations! One of the first of the "bunch" to get it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: mxm407 on July 08, 2015, 11:57:53 am
I'm going to rant about some obnoxious group of posters who really want to rant and complain, despite warnings from moderators and distaste from many other members. We don't want you to do it here. You can do it elsewhere. We don't want you to complain that moderators are not doing their job. We definitely don't want you to take over this site and suggest you have the capacity to even pretend you can choose your own moderators. We hope you find a new site to spew your nonsense on and go away.

Don't complain just to complain (rant). Don't start anymore threads about it, don't pretend to start thread on something else while starting threads on it, and please stop long chains of quoting quotes and ranting on threads that aren't intended to be rant threads.

So like, you (troll), RichardTang (troll), Timo (troll), etc (troll)?

That's the "we" right?

Given that people are members of this site and subject to certain TOS, one might expect moderators also have their own conditions to follow.  If the community feels that may not be the case, why is it not okay to voice that opinion? Unless, you are all about censorship and limiting freedom of speech. Which you apparently are, unless of course it is sparkling.

The go away part is the best.  How child-like. Or redneck. Or whatever other groups spew nonsense like that. If you don't like it, you can get out."  Come on. "If that is the peak of your argument.. How is anyone supposed to take that seriously?

Don't like it? Get out.

This forum isn't America, with it's everlasting freedom. And even then, a little meme I read yesterday says it even better: American Freedom *Subject to terms and conditions*.

talking to you is worse than talking to a wall. YOu don't like a good suggestion being repeated at you. Kind of like a child hating the advice of their parent. Think the parents should just forget and ignore about you, and put you in an orphanage. In fact I think that's what I'll do.

Good luck in your endeavors. If you don't like it. Get out.

On one thread you are badmouthing waygook.org and waygookins for 'being a nasty bunch',
and now you are making jokes about orphans. you are a weird little troll. please leave this forum for the good people who want to discuss Korea and issues related to Korea, without having you try to derail everything into a pathetic slanging match.

How do you derail a rant/venting thread?. Also seems you are starting to see the point I am trying to make. Congratulations! One of the first of the "bunch" to get it.

Richardtang debating style
- ignore all salient points/arguments in a post.
- write a bunch of random crap.
-maybe add a meme to show originality and humor.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on July 08, 2015, 12:03:34 pm

Richardtang debating style
- ignore all salient points/arguments in a post.
- write a bunch of random crap.
-maybe add a meme to show originality and humor.

ㅋㅋㅋㅋ. These aren't debates. Learn how debates go then come back.

Salient points? Find me one. All I've seen is crap.

Random crap? That's how I feel about yours. Its amazing how perspective changes things right? To you, yours is gold but mine is crap.

Don't like memes? Get off the internet.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: mxm407 on July 08, 2015, 12:08:14 pm

Richardtang debating style
- ignore all salient points/arguments in a post.
- write a bunch of random crap.
-maybe add a meme to show originality and humor.

ㅋㅋㅋㅋ. These aren't debates. Learn how debates go then come back.

Salient points? Find me one. All I've seen is crap.

Random crap? That's how I feel about yours. Its amazing how perspective changes things right? To you, yours is gold but mine is crap.

Don't like memes? Get off the internet.

Further RichardTang expert guide to posting:

- If Richard disagree with a post, tell poster that all opinions are different.
- Tell poster to leave the forum/leave the internet if poster doesn't like Richard's opinions.
- Quit thread if Richard is losing argument.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on July 08, 2015, 12:13:08 pm

Richardtang debating style
- ignore all salient points/arguments in a post.
- write a bunch of random crap.
-maybe add a meme to show originality and humor.

ㅋㅋㅋㅋ. These aren't debates. Learn how debates go then come back.

Salient points? Find me one. All I've seen is crap.

Random crap? That's how I feel about yours. Its amazing how perspective changes things right? To you, yours is gold but mine is crap.

Don't like memes? Get off the internet.

Further RichardTang expert guide to posting:

- If Richard disagree with a post, tell poster that all opinions are different.
- Tell poster to leave the forum/leave the internet if poster doesn't like Richard's opinions.
- Quit thread if Richard is losing argument.

these are getting stupid. Might abandon you along with the korean name dude.

- So you're saying opinions AREN'T different? That is what you are saying since you don't agree with it right?

- Never said "my opinion". Always said "Don't like this forum, go elsewhere". But glad to know your comprehension is weak.

-I go home, i stop posting. This is my pasttime when I am at school. Go back to it if it's on the front page the next day. Or I just stop responding to people like you after a certain point cause I feel my IQ is going down. This is that point.

Good luck in all your endeavors.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 08, 2015, 12:13:43 pm
I love memes!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on July 08, 2015, 12:13:52 pm
Richardtang1991 stills lurks on this thread, even after saying "Don't like it? Get out"... Bizarre.
He also doesn't know what indefensible means.

Anyway, back to this therapeutic thread.
How do you make a Korean, who has no real problems speaking and understanding English, loose all their English comprehension abilities? You ask them a sticky question.

I'm helping my CT draft a test, for our students. After going through the test this was our dialogue:

Me - This test seems a bit hard for the students.
CT - Maybe, I'm a bit worried but I think they'll do fine.
Me - Really? What was the class average for the last test?
CT - About 80%.
Me - Really? 80%? I find that hard to believe.
CT - Why?
Me - About a third of the class don't know their ABC's,  2-3 students might score 80%,
       another third would be lucky to score 30% and I have no idea about the rest since they
       never say or do anything.
CT - I don't understand
Me - The students have to write full sentences, in this test, and have a full understanding of the
       Key Expressions of the work we've covered. At their current level, there's no way the class
       average would be 80%.
CT - (does a couple of mouth noises)
Me - What's the lowest score they can get?
CT - About 40%
Me - And if the test is blank? (Last year, we had a few blank tests)
CT - 40%
      (I repeated my concerns 4X, each time my explanation became progressively more simplified).
CT - I still don't understand.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jamonamagnet on July 08, 2015, 12:19:42 pm
How do you make a Korean, who has no real problems speaking and understanding English, loose all their English comprehension abilities?
I see what you did there.  Very clever.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on July 08, 2015, 12:20:10 pm
Richardtang1991 stills lurks on this thread, even after saying "Don't like it? Get out"... Bizarre.
He also doesn't know what indefensible means.

Anyway, back to this therapeutic thread.
How do you make a Korean, who has no real problems speaking and understanding English, loose all their English comprehension abilities? You ask them a sticky question.

I'm helping my CT draft a test, for our students. After going through the test this was our dialogue:

Me - This test seems a bit hard for the students.
CT - Maybe, I'm a bit worried but I think they'll do fine.
Me - Really? What was the class average for the last test?
CT - About 80%.
Me - Really? 80%? I find that hard to believe.
CT - Why?
Me - About a third of the class don't know their ABC's,  2-3 students might score 80%,
       another third would be lucky to score 30% and I have no idea about the rest since they
       never say or do anything.
CT - I don't understand
Me - The students have to write full sentences, in this test, and have a full understanding of the
       Key Expressions of the work we've covered. At their current level, there's no way the class
       average would be 80%.
CT - (does a couple of mouth noises)
Me - What's the lowest score they can get?
CT - About 40%
Me - And if the test is blank? (Last year, we had a few blank tests)
CT - 40%
      (I repeated my concerns 4X, each time my explanation became progressively more simplified).
CT - I still don't understand.


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I dont respond to you so you decide to bring it back up? I'm sorry. I'll pay attention to you next time~ :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I hate these threads. I love responding to them. Started off as bad, keep it on front page with enough crap from everyone, and it'll get shut down. Anyways, I'm still on topic. Hard to stay off topic here.

I suppose I can talk about how happy I am with my life with very little to complain, but I don't want to get off topic.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: mxm407 on July 08, 2015, 12:27:11 pm
Richardtang1991 stills lurks on this thread, even after saying "Don't like it? Get out"... Bizarre.
He also doesn't know what indefensible means.

Anyway, back to this therapeutic thread.
How do you make a Korean, who has no real problems speaking and understanding English, loose all their English comprehension abilities? You ask them a sticky question.

I'm helping my CT draft a test, for our students. After going through the test this was our dialogue:

Me - This test seems a bit hard for the students.
CT - Maybe, I'm a bit worried but I think they'll do fine.
Me - Really? What was the class average for the last test?
CT - About 80%.
Me - Really? 80%? I find that hard to believe.
CT - Why?
Me - About a third of the class don't know their ABC's,  2-3 students might score 80%,
       another third would be lucky to score 30% and I have no idea about the rest since they
       never say or do anything.
CT - I don't understand
Me - The students have to write full sentences, in this test, and have a full understanding of the
       Key Expressions of the work we've covered. At their current level, there's no way the class
       average would be 80%.
CT - (does a couple of mouth noises)
Me - What's the lowest score they can get?
CT - About 40%
Me - And if the test is blank? (Last year, we had a few blank tests)
CT - 40%
      (I repeated my concerns 4X, each time my explanation became progressively more simplified).
CT - I still don't understand.


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I dont respond to you so you decide to bring it back up? I'm sorry. I'll pay attention to you next time~ :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I hate these threads. I love responding to them. Started off as bad, keep it on front page with enough crap from everyone, and it'll get shut down. Anyways, I'm still on topic. Hard to stay off topic here.

I suppose I can talk about how happy I am with my life with very little to complain, but I don't want to get off topic.

You seem like a deeply conflicted person-

'i hate these threads'...'i love responding to them'

i dont understand why you are here if you hate these threads so much. you are the guy telling people to leave the forum if you are unhappy, but you are still here, spouting your rubbish. what's wrong, no-one to play board games with?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on July 08, 2015, 12:38:59 pm
Richardtang1991 stills lurks on this thread, even after saying "Don't like it? Get out"... Bizarre.
He also doesn't know what indefensible means.

Anyway, back to this therapeutic thread.
How do you make a Korean, who has no real problems speaking and understanding English, loose all their English comprehension abilities? You ask them a sticky question.

I'm helping my CT draft a test, for our students. After going through the test this was our dialogue:

Me - This test seems a bit hard for the students.
CT - Maybe, I'm a bit worried but I think they'll do fine.
Me - Really? What was the class average for the last test?
CT - About 80%.
Me - Really? 80%? I find that hard to believe.
CT - Why?
Me - About a third of the class don't know their ABC's,  2-3 students might score 80%,
       another third would be lucky to score 30% and I have no idea about the rest since they
       never say or do anything.
CT - I don't understand
Me - The students have to write full sentences, in this test, and have a full understanding of the
       Key Expressions of the work we've covered. At their current level, there's no way the class
       average would be 80%.
CT - (does a couple of mouth noises)
Me - What's the lowest score they can get?
CT - About 40%
Me - And if the test is blank? (Last year, we had a few blank tests)
CT - 40%
      (I repeated my concerns 4X, each time my explanation became progressively more simplified).
CT - I still don't understand.


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I dont respond to you so you decide to bring it back up? I'm sorry. I'll pay attention to you next time~ :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I hate these threads. I love responding to them. Started off as bad, keep it on front page with enough crap from everyone, and it'll get shut down. Anyways, I'm still on topic. Hard to stay off topic here.

I suppose I can talk about how happy I am with my life with very little to complain, but I don't want to get off topic.

You seem like a deeply conflicted person-

'i hate these threads'...'i love responding to them'

i dont understand why you are here if you hate these threads so much. you are the guy telling people to leave the forum if you are unhappy, but you are still here, spouting your rubbish. what's wrong, no-one to play board games with?

Richard only seems capable of bored games.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on July 08, 2015, 12:43:48 pm
Richardtang1991 stills lurks on this thread, even after saying "Don't like it? Get out"... Bizarre.
He also doesn't know what indefensible means.

Anyway, back to this therapeutic thread.
How do you make a Korean, who has no real problems speaking and understanding English, loose all their English comprehension abilities? You ask them a sticky question.

I'm helping my CT draft a test, for our students. After going through the test this was our dialogue:

Me - This test seems a bit hard for the students.
CT - Maybe, I'm a bit worried but I think they'll do fine.
Me - Really? What was the class average for the last test?
CT - About 80%.
Me - Really? 80%? I find that hard to believe.
CT - Why?
Me - About a third of the class don't know their ABC's,  2-3 students might score 80%,
       another third would be lucky to score 30% and I have no idea about the rest since they
       never say or do anything.
CT - I don't understand
Me - The students have to write full sentences, in this test, and have a full understanding of the
       Key Expressions of the work we've covered. At their current level, there's no way the class
       average would be 80%.
CT - (does a couple of mouth noises)
Me - What's the lowest score they can get?
CT - About 40%
Me - And if the test is blank? (Last year, we had a few blank tests)
CT - 40%
      (I repeated my concerns 4X, each time my explanation became progressively more simplified).
CT - I still don't understand.


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I dont respond to you so you decide to bring it back up? I'm sorry. I'll pay attention to you next time~ :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I hate these threads. I love responding to them. Started off as bad, keep it on front page with enough crap from everyone, and it'll get shut down. Anyways, I'm still on topic. Hard to stay off topic here.

I suppose I can talk about how happy I am with my life with very little to complain, but I don't want to get off topic.

You seem like a deeply conflicted person-

'i hate these threads'...'i love responding to them'

i dont understand why you are here if you hate these threads so much. you are the guy telling people to leave the forum if you are unhappy, but you are still here, spouting your rubbish. what's wrong, no-one to play board games with?

Richard only seems capable of bored games.

 :laugh: :laugh: I do like the pun. Yes I am incredibly bored. Lesson plans finished, camps finished, my grading's finished, and exam week. Bored is an understatement. Sadly most sites are blocked at my school  :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on July 08, 2015, 12:58:20 pm
Richardtang1991 stills lurks on this thread, even after saying "Don't like it? Get out"... Bizarre.
He also doesn't know what indefensible means.

Anyway, back to this therapeutic thread.
How do you make a Korean, who has no real problems speaking and understanding English, loose all their English comprehension abilities? You ask them a sticky question.

I'm helping my CT draft a test, for our students. After going through the test this was our dialogue:

Me - This test seems a bit hard for the students.
CT - Maybe, I'm a bit worried but I think they'll do fine.
Me - Really? What was the class average for the last test?
CT - About 80%.
Me - Really? 80%? I find that hard to believe.
CT - Why?
Me - About a third of the class don't know their ABC's,  2-3 students might score 80%,
       another third would be lucky to score 30% and I have no idea about the rest since they
       never say or do anything.
CT - I don't understand
Me - The students have to write full sentences, in this test, and have a full understanding of the
       Key Expressions of the work we've covered. At their current level, there's no way the class
       average would be 80%.
CT - (does a couple of mouth noises)
Me - What's the lowest score they can get?
CT - About 40%
Me - And if the test is blank? (Last year, we had a few blank tests)
CT - 40%
      (I repeated my concerns 4X, each time my explanation became progressively more simplified).
CT - I still don't understand.


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I dont respond to you so you decide to bring it back up? I'm sorry. I'll pay attention to you next time~ :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I hate these threads. I love responding to them. Started off as bad, keep it on front page with enough crap from everyone, and it'll get shut down. Anyways, I'm still on topic. Hard to stay off topic here.

I suppose I can talk about how happy I am with my life with very little to complain, but I don't want to get off topic.

You seem like a deeply conflicted person-

'i hate these threads'...'i love responding to them'

i dont understand why you are here if you hate these threads so much. you are the guy telling people to leave the forum if you are unhappy, but you are still here, spouting your rubbish. what's wrong, no-one to play board games with?

Richard only seems capable of bored games.

 :laugh: :laugh: I do like the pun. Yes I am incredibly bored. Lesson plans finished, camps finished, my grading's finished, and exam week. Bored is an understatement. Sadly most sites are blocked at my school  :cry:

What camp are you doing? I'm very late with prepping mine. Please send juicy bits this way.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on July 08, 2015, 01:05:53 pm
How do you make a Korean, who has no real problems speaking and understanding English, loose all their English comprehension abilities?
I see what you did there.  Very clever.

Oops, happens to the best of us ;D
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: 외계인 on July 08, 2015, 02:13:41 pm
I'm going to rant about some obnoxious group of posters who really want to rant and complain, despite warnings from moderators and distaste from many other members. We don't want you to do it here. You can do it elsewhere. We don't want you to complain that moderators are not doing their job. We definitely don't want you to take over this site and suggest you have the capacity to even pretend you can choose your own moderators. We hope you find a new site to spew your nonsense on and go away.

Don't complain just to complain (rant). Don't start anymore threads about it, don't pretend to start thread on something else while starting threads on it, and please stop long chains of quoting quotes and ranting on threads that aren't intended to be rant threads.

So like, you (troll), RichardTang (troll), Timo (troll), etc (troll)?

That's the "we" right?

Given that people are members of this site and subject to certain TOS, one might expect moderators also have their own conditions to follow.  If the community feels that may not be the case, why is it not okay to voice that opinion? Unless, you are all about censorship and limiting freedom of speech. Which you apparently are, unless of course it is sparkling.

The go away part is the best.  How child-like. Or redneck. Or whatever other groups spew nonsense like that. If you don't like it, you can get out."  Come on. "If that is the peak of your argument.. How is anyone supposed to take that seriously?

Don't like it? Get out.

This forum isn't America, with it's everlasting freedom. And even then, a little meme I read yesterday says it even better: American Freedom *Subject to terms and conditions*.

talking to you is worse than talking to a wall. YOu don't like a good suggestion being repeated at you. Kind of like a child hating the advice of their parent. Think the parents should just forget and ignore about you, and put you in an orphanage. In fact I think that's what I'll do.

Good luck in your endeavors. If you don't like it. Get out.

You are an odd little troll. 

Richard.  As far as I can tell.  Most English teachers here are from countries which generally recognize rights such as freedom of speech.  So, it goes without saying that even in an online "community," (using the term very loosely) comprised of us waygooks, we might expect a similar right to freedom of expression.

Who even mentioned America anyway.

Again and again the if you don't like it leave.  You are a broken record and I don't think you're responsible for even one person leaving these forums out of fear and respect for RichardSoup.

You talk a big game on the internet.  I'd bet this month's salary you can't walk the walk like that out in the real world though.

You and Timo are absolutely the two biggest trolls on waygook currently.  If moderating was fair and unbiased here you'd both be enjoying a higher warning level and some nice mute time. Unfortunately, that just isn't the case which is one of the issues many people have been voicing concern over during the last couple of days. Hence the response to Sejong above that you happily sunk your troll teeth into yet again.



Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: 외계인 on July 08, 2015, 02:37:43 pm
Since this is a ranting thread, my (korean) boyfriend insists on lying to his entire family throughout the entire duration of our relationship that we live together, until we get married. How much of this is cultural and how much is it him just being a coward? I'm so pissed right now. He said if he is honest with his family that we live together/will live together, they'll like disown him. Which I seriously doubt. His family's pretty modern. How hard is it to tell your family that you're an GROWN MAN and you make your own freaking decisions? How long are u comfortable with lying? Jesus Christ.

Girl, I feel you. Im in a similar situation, except if his fam says he can't marry me he wont... His family is quite traditional. We've only been dating a year, but he's all over my facebook so my entire family knows, and should. I know its Korean culture to not really discuss it with fam sometimes unless marriage is in the cards. But like if our relationship has an expiry date I dunno.
My bfs parents pay for everything. They paid for his uni, hagwon, and expenses when he lived overseas. They give him pocket money every month, buy him clothes, a new bicycle and doesn't need to get a part time job or anything until he finally gets this job hes been preparing for (which he's already failed the test for 3 times). They have him wrapped right around their money finger. I wish my family could/would do that! "That is Korean culture" ya,ya.
I love him to death.So much that I would consider marrying him. But he says if they say no he CAN'T because they would essentially cut him out of the fam. He's the oldest son, blah blah blah. 
I know its frustrating. You are not alone.

Lol, welcome to the world of dating Koreans, ladies.

I noticed that Western women seem to almost exclusively date Korean men in Korea these days.  Especially since every other sentence sounds something like this: "My Korean boyfriend..." To be fair, a lot of us dudes date local ladies too.

I've pretty much been over it though.

I would wager a majority of foreigners never get to meet their SO's family and friends because they don't even know you exist.  Friends sometimes, family--not so much. We are frankly, quite often a fling.  I'm not saying some waygooks don't marry in--of course that happens.  But I definitely don't think it is the norm.

That's because most Koreans know they will just end up living here and marrying another Korean.

And the fact that they can be pushing thirty having never had a real job, and zero sense of responsibility because they live with mom and dad and have been spending their money for decades--meh. I don't think that's the kind of partner I want anyway. These are the kind of people that demand everything from everyone yet know how to give and do nothing.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: waygo0k on July 08, 2015, 04:31:31 pm
How can you date and plan to marry a grown, jobless man that still receives pocket money from his parents?

What do you think will happen when he finally detaches from his parents? Who will he turn to for mummy and daddy attention?

Disaster waiting to happen IMO.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: waygo0k on July 08, 2015, 06:00:38 pm
If he's still a student and is studying for his first degree (in good time) that's understandable.

I was just thinking of my ex girlfriend's brother. The guy was a complete leech in every sense of the word. His parents bought an apartment for him (yes, bought) in Seoul and paid all his utility bills including his freaking cellphone bills, hoping they would get a lawyer out of him.

What did they get in return? A loser that spent 10 years completing his first degree, who also re-mortgaged the home behind his family's back to fund his gambling and whoring addiction and ended up $40k in arrears...only for daddy to move in and attempt to whip him into shape by getting him a job at a brand new car dealership (foreign luxury brand), and setting him up with one of those shotgun arranged marriages.

Last I heard he has a baby now...that poor woman and child. I can only pray he's buckled up, but from the stories I used to hear, I highly doubt it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 08, 2015, 06:40:14 pm
How can you date and plan to marry a grown, jobless man that still receives pocket money from his parents?

What do you think will happen when he finally detaches from his parents? Who will he turn to for mummy and daddy attention?

Disaster waiting to happen IMO.



He's going to dental school so  :wink:

And he's been living alone since 8th grade, in America, so he's pretty independent apart from the apartment money thing.

My bf is trying to be a police officer. But he is very dependent on his family at the moment. It doesn't really affect our relationship right now so trying to be supportive while he studies.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 09, 2015, 11:07:15 am
There's no toilet paper and no soap, but we have money for the plastic umbrella condoms? O_o;;;
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on July 09, 2015, 11:13:25 am
There's no toilet paper and no soap, but we have money for the plastic umbrella condoms? O_o;;;

I need more details about the condoms. WHAT?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 09, 2015, 11:20:55 am
The things that go over your umbrellas when it's raining and you go inside. I call 'em condoms. :P
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on July 09, 2015, 11:49:52 am
The things that go over your umbrellas when it's raining and you go inside. I call 'em condoms. :P

condorellas? umbrelladoms?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on July 09, 2015, 11:51:55 am
The things that go over your umbrellas when it's raining and you go inside. I call 'em condoms. :P

condorellas? umbrelladoms?

Actually, Umbrella condoms would be called cumdoms.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: atemporaryaccount on July 09, 2015, 12:02:33 pm
Cumbrella.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on July 09, 2015, 12:15:37 pm
Cumbrella.

You can stand under my cumberella, ella ella ella  eh eh eh
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on July 09, 2015, 12:23:46 pm
The teacher I share an office with on Thursdays just started playing some sh!tty music on his computer, turned up the speakers, then got up and left the room. Who does that?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 09, 2015, 12:26:13 pm
The teacher I share an office with on Thursdays just started playing some sh!tty music on his computer, turned up the speakers, then got up and left the room. Who does that?

Turn it off and also leave the room lol or counter it with your own tunes  :P
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: 외계인 on July 09, 2015, 12:26:18 pm
The teacher I share an office with on Thursdays just started playing some sh!tty music on his computer, turned up the speakers, then got up and left the room. Who does that?

Right, reminds me of Co's who will turn of the fan or AC on a hot day then just leave the office with me still sitting there.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on July 09, 2015, 12:27:08 pm
He just came back, sat down, and turned it off.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: The Arm on July 10, 2015, 08:17:51 am
Do things like this annoy other people or is it just me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7NcqIyakUU
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: MartinBrez on July 10, 2015, 08:26:44 am
Quote
Do things like this annoy other people or is it just me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7NcqIyakUU

Yes! Especially in a place as crowded as Korea where people always walk into you. These people are making things inconvenient for other pedestrians.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: sojuadventurer on July 10, 2015, 09:53:21 am
So since this is a thread to rant in....

Something that has been annoying me: the seeming double standard my co-teacher has when it comes to sexualized things.

What I mean by this.... I'll give an example.

So, I like to do this thing where between class breaks I'll play an English music video.  It tends to get the students to actually show up to class on time, and it stops them from being insane in my classroom until class starts.  They're middle school kids, FYI.  My co-teacher liked this so much, that she started asking me to show them a video sometimes at the end of class; mostly if she was leading class that day and ran out of materials.

So she asks me one day at the end of class to pick a video for students to listen to.  Now, I'll typically only play a video I've seen before, so I know that it is appropriate for the students.  Or if they try and pick one and she seems cool with it, I'll let them.  That way, if it is inappropriate, it's on her/them; not me.

Anyway, on the day she asks me to pick one, I pick the Beyonce video "Halo".  Now, as I'm sure anyone knows who has seen that video.... there is hardly anything remotely sexual in it, really.  Yet, my co-teacher threw a fit, because two black people ALMOST kiss each other!  (FYI, for those who haven't seen it.... they don't actually kiss each other in the video).

Normally, I'd chalk this up to an overly conservative Korean person.... but the thing is, I've witness this woman showing students films in class that have violence, drug use, drinking, AND SEX.  The only difference?  These were Korean films with Korean casts.  So somehow it's okay to expose middle school kids to sexuality, so long as it is Korean sexuality.  Right.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Zealot_Hill on July 10, 2015, 10:30:54 am
Sees a clip of a video with SHOULDER SHOWING...

...TEACHER DIRTY! DIRTY!

But KPOP music vids are cool right?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 10, 2015, 10:53:22 am
Sees a clip of a video with SHOULDER SHOWING...

...TEACHER DIRTY! DIRTY!

But KPOP music vids are cool right?

Yeah, it's okay if you can see 80% of a butt in a K-pop video. It's okay for them to listen to girls in booty shorts sing "Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me! UNNNNH!" but OH NOES A PICTURE OF A CHILD IN A BATHING SUIT LET'S ALL SCREAM AND COVER OUR EYES
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: bagel on July 10, 2015, 11:26:55 am
Naengmyeon is the devil
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 10, 2015, 11:36:23 am
Naengmyeon is the devil
I agree. The texture is weird. All noodles should be hot to me.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: bagel on July 10, 2015, 11:41:17 am
Naengmyeon is the devil
I agree. The texture is weird. All noodles should be hot to me.
Ugh yeah. Like.. its cold. I feel like I'm drinking vinegar from the bottle.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: donuts81 on July 10, 2015, 12:37:42 pm
Naengmyeon is the devil
I agree. The texture is weird. All noodles should be hot to me.
Ugh yeah. Like.. its cold. I feel like I'm drinking vinegar from the bottle.

I like naengmyeon; you must be doing it wrong ;D. Plain sticky rice on the other hand has all the delicious taste of cardboard combined with the delightful texture of lumpy paste.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: sojuadventurer on July 10, 2015, 01:09:37 pm
Naengmyeon is the devil
I agree. The texture is weird. All noodles should be hot to me.
Ugh yeah. Like.. its cold. I feel like I'm drinking vinegar from the bottle.

I like naengmyeon; you must be doing it wrong ;D. Plain sticky rice on the other hand has all the delicious taste of cardboard combined with the delightful texture of lumpy paste.

I can sort of understand someone's dislike of naengmyeon.  I hated it for well over a year.  But I do this insane thing where I try things over and over AND OVER, even if I don't like them.... in the view that one day I might.  Kind of like how kids get over things like their dislike of tomatoes (unless they're juvenile and petty like my brother).  And I did find that I've eventually gotten to like naengmyeon.  I prefer bibimnaengmyeon to traditional naengmyeon.... but still.   ;D
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 10, 2015, 01:13:34 pm
Naengmyeon is the devil
I agree. The texture is weird. All noodles should be hot to me.
Ugh yeah. Like.. its cold. I feel like I'm drinking vinegar from the bottle.

I like naengmyeon; you must be doing it wrong ;D. Plain sticky rice on the other hand has all the delicious taste of cardboard combined with the delightful texture of lumpy paste.

I can sort of understand someone's dislike of naengmyeon.  I hated it for well over a year.  But I do this insane thing where I try things over and over AND OVER, even if I don't like them.... in the view that one day I might.  Kind of like how kids get over things like their dislike of tomatoes (unless they're juvenile and petty like my brother).  And I did find that I've eventually gotten to like naengmyeon.  I prefer bibimnaengmyeon to traditional naengmyeon.... but still.   ;D

I feel pretty "meh" about naengmyeon.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: 외계인 on July 10, 2015, 01:16:11 pm
Naengmyeon is the devil
I agree. The texture is weird. All noodles should be hot to me.
Ugh yeah. Like.. its cold. I feel like I'm drinking vinegar from the bottle.

I like naengmyeon; you must be doing it wrong ;D. Plain sticky rice on the other hand has all the delicious taste of cardboard combined with the delightful texture of lumpy paste.

I can sort of understand someone's dislike of naengmyeon.  I hated it for well over a year.  But I do this insane thing where I try things over and over AND OVER, even if I don't like them.... in the view that one day I might.  Kind of like how kids get over things like their dislike of tomatoes (unless they're juvenile and petty like my brother). And I did find that I've eventually gotten to like naengmyeon.  I prefer bibimnaengmyeon to traditional naengmyeon.... but still.   ;D

 :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jaehak on July 10, 2015, 02:30:36 pm
I don't usually post in these threads, mainly because I never feel the need to rant. Yes, I get annoyed by things here, but I get over it.

However, I spent 2.5 hours trying to order a swimsuit off of the Korean Forever 21 site. I have never in my life experienced such a hassle and inconvenience while trying to order something online. It wasn't because everything was in Korean, or because I didn't know how to input my address, it was trying to pay with my Korean credit card that made it such a nightmare. Having to switch to IE, then having to download FOUR different security programs, having to start over because I put in the wrong verification identification code, then finally pressing submit to have absolutely nothing happen! No confirmation, no deduction of 38,000 won from my account, and no swimsuit, but I did manage to enroll in some sort of card membership program, that is 5,000 won a month. WTF? Signing up for online banking was easier than this.

I was so frustrated that I had wasted that time. It was 9:30 by the time I gave up. I still needed to cook dinner, work on a lesson plan, get a workout in.

Back home, all you would need to order online is your card number and address.

Incidentally, I'm going to Busan this weekend to meet up with friends, so I will just physically go to F21 and buy a swimsuit in person.

Sigh, what can you do, eh?

Agree, the Korean internet is just the worst. Today I went online to buy tickets to the Gwangju Universiade basketball game tomorrow (Rock Chalk Jayhawk!) and not surprisingly, it proved to be basically impossible. Like so many Korean websites that have an English page, Interpark is perfectly useful until it isn't.

First off, the game I wish to attend tips off at 2:30 p.m., and it wasn't listed amongst available tickets, only 5:30 and 8 (women's games as it turns out).

Next, the game is listed on the Korean site, but with a start time at 0:00 p.m. (wtf?) When searching into the Korean version of the Gwangju Universiade website, I learned that tickets are sold in blocks, so a ticket for 0:00 pm (noon) gets me into my game as well.

When it came time to actually buy the ticket once I figured out which one to get - guess what - no surprise I guess - I need to install all manner of security certificates and other bloatware that would not only require flawless Korean ability to use, but even befuddled my Korean co-teacher.

In the end, I had to have her call the ticket office for me in order to get my ticket.

Yes, I know the Korean internet is for Korean speakers and we are a tiny minority here, but this is an international event that foreigners may actually want to fly in for. It's simply absurd that one cannot buy tickets without internet explorer, a good dose of Korean ability, and a willingness to install a bunch of security garbage one one's computer.

Good luck sorting out this mess before Pyeongchang.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: 외계인 on July 10, 2015, 03:03:12 pm

Good luck sorting out this mess before Pyeongchang.

Very true. Probably won't be too many waygooks at the events because we won't be able to figure out how to buy tickets. And your co's will be too busy buying their own.

Have you ever tried buying tickets online for things like the Busan film festival?
Servers have major issues, English site always seems less useful than the Korean one.
Things sell out almost immediately.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: zola on July 10, 2015, 03:06:37 pm
The Korean version of the sites are often just as baffling and frustrating for Koreans.

Web design here seems to be about the same as building design. I.E. Bloody awful.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Timo on July 10, 2015, 03:15:49 pm
I don't usually post in these threads, mainly because I never feel the need to rant. Yes, I get annoyed by things here, but I get over it.

However, I spent 2.5 hours trying to order a swimsuit off of the Korean Forever 21 site. I have never in my life experienced such a hassle and inconvenience while trying to order something online. It wasn't because everything was in Korean, or because I didn't know how to input my address, it was trying to pay with my Korean credit card that made it such a nightmare. Having to switch to IE, then having to download FOUR different security programs, having to start over because I put in the wrong verification identification code, then finally pressing submit to have absolutely nothing happen! No confirmation, no deduction of 38,000 won from my account, and no swimsuit, but I did manage to enroll in some sort of card membership program, that is 5,000 won a month. WTF? Signing up for online banking was easier than this.

I was so frustrated that I had wasted that time. It was 9:30 by the time I gave up. I still needed to cook dinner, work on a lesson plan, get a workout in.

Back home, all you would need to order online is your card number and address.

Incidentally, I'm going to Busan this weekend to meet up with friends, so I will just physically go to F21 and buy a swimsuit in person.

Sigh, what can you do, eh?

Agree, the Korean internet is just the worst. Today I went online to buy tickets to the Gwangju Universiade basketball game tomorrow (Rock Chalk Jayhawk!) and not surprisingly, it proved to be basically impossible. Like so many Korean websites that have an English page, Interpark is perfectly useful until it isn't.

First off, the game I wish to attend tips off at 2:30 p.m., and it wasn't listed amongst available tickets, only 5:30 and 8 (women's games as it turns out).

Next, the game is listed on the Korean site, but with a start time at 0:00 p.m. (wtf?) When searching into the Korean version of the Gwangju Universiade website, I learned that tickets are sold in blocks, so a ticket for 0:00 pm (noon) gets me into my game as well.

When it came time to actually buy the ticket once I figured out which one to get - guess what - no surprise I guess - I need to install all manner of security certificates and other bloatware that would not only require flawless Korean ability to use, but even befuddled my Korean co-teacher.

In the end, I had to have her call the ticket office for me in order to get my ticket.

Yes, I know the Korean internet is for Korean speakers and we are a tiny minority here, but this is an international event that foreigners may actually want to fly in for. It's simply absurd that one cannot buy tickets without internet explorer, a good dose of Korean ability, and a willingness to install a bunch of security garbage one one's computer.

Good luck sorting out this mess before Pyeongchang.
My favorite bit is when the whole page is one solid JPEG, thus you can't even self-translate any difficult bits.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jamonamagnet on July 10, 2015, 03:19:41 pm
My favorite bit is when the whole page is one solid JPEG, thus you can't even self-translate any difficult bits.
Oh GOD!!! This!!  Totally this!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: country09 on July 10, 2015, 03:24:13 pm

Good luck sorting out this mess before Pyeongchang.

Very true. Probably won't be too many waygooks at the events because we won't be able to figure out how to buy tickets. And your co's will be too busy buying their own.

Have you ever tried buying tickets online for things like the Busan film festival?
Servers have major issues, English site always seems less useful than the Korean one.
Things sell out almost immediately.
In all fairness I think they will have the Olympic internet situation figured out. Unless they are completely oblivious to the outside world then they will get it figured out.

Anyways onto the rant.
My wife tells me to be more self-sufficient. So I spend hours trying to translate these crappy sites and downloading whatever it wants me to install. After about 3-4 hours of banging my head against the keyboard and a few calls to my Korean buddy, I have the purchase receipt in hand. I then proceed to show my accomplishment to my wife only to be scolded for not using the proper discount cards or the fact that if you used certain codes that are found on Naver blogs we could have gotten a discount. One of these days I may actually flip over the table like I do in my mind.

I love my wife and we have a great relationship but if she continues to make me learn how to use the Korean internet we may have to start going to counseling in the near future.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: 외계인 on July 10, 2015, 03:25:20 pm

Good luck sorting out this mess before Pyeongchang.

Very true. Probably won't be too many waygooks at the events because we won't be able to figure out how to buy tickets. And your co's will be too busy buying their own.

Have you ever tried buying tickets online for things like the Busan film festival?
Servers have major issues, English site always seems less useful than the Korean one.
Things sell out almost immediately.
In all fairness I think they will have the Olympic internet situation figured out. Unless they are completely oblivious to the outside world then they will get it figured out.

Anyways onto the rant.
My wife tells me to be more self-sufficient. So I spend hours trying to translate these crappy sites and downloading whatever it wants me to install. After about 3-4 hours of banging my head against the keyboard and a few calls to my Korean buddy, I have the purchase receipt in hand. I then proceed to show my accomplishment to my wife only to be scolded for not using the proper discount cards or the fact that if you used certain codes that are found on Naver blogs we could have gotten a discount. One of these days I may actually flip over the table like I do in my mind.

I love my wife and we have a great relationship but if she continues to make me learn how to use the Korean internet we may have to start going to counseling in the near future.

What, are they gonna use their 2nd internet?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: country09 on July 10, 2015, 03:42:54 pm
What, are they gonna use their 2nd internet?
Maybe that is the internet they use for the Koreans.

Seriously though there is no way there will have to be certificates to purchase and countless software installs. The tickets will probably be sold by an outside vendor anyway that will handle this issue in cooperation with the IOC.
Now if they decide to use two different systems for purchasing tickets, one for international visitors and the other for those inside the country already, then I hope your prediction of a second internet is true.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on July 11, 2015, 08:35:00 am
Can people stop filling up their 1L bottle of water from the self-service water dispenser in restaurants? WTF goes through someone's head when they do something like that? It's not a McDonald's free refill fountain drink dispenser.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on July 13, 2015, 07:41:54 am
My day got bad!

Came in full of vim and vigour ready to give it my all. Get to the lockers to put on the slippers only to find them all blocked by large, framed group photos. Wall opposite full of trophy cases that no one needs to open. Why? Why the stupid so early in the day?

I was planning to review the term in a fun and educational manner but that's out the window. I will now show the best of devinsupertramp on youtube and tell the kids that they are watching an average summer vacation in Waygukia.

You can take the wind out of my sails, Korea, but I can make your kids hate you.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Timo on July 13, 2015, 08:10:38 am
My day got bad!

Came in full of vim and vigour ready to give it my all. Get to the lockers to put on the slippers only to find them all blocked by large, framed group photos. Wall opposite full of trophy cases that no one needs to open. Why? Why the stupid so early in the day?

I was planning to review the term in a fun and educational manner but that's out the window. I will now show the best of devinsupertramp on youtube and tell the kids that they are watching an average summer vacation in Waygukia.

You can take the wind out of my sails, Korea, but I can make your kids hate you.
Doesn't take a lot for you to have a 'bad day'!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: GreenMan on July 13, 2015, 08:11:43 am
I don't usually post in these threads, mainly because I never feel the need to rant. Yes, I get annoyed by things here, but I get over it.

However, I spent 2.5 hours trying to order a swimsuit off of the Korean Forever 21 site. I have never in my life experienced such a hassle and inconvenience while trying to order something online. It wasn't because everything was in Korean, or because I didn't know how to input my address, it was trying to pay with my Korean credit card that made it such a nightmare. Having to switch to IE, then having to download FOUR different security programs, having to start over because I put in the wrong verification identification code, then finally pressing submit to have absolutely nothing happen! No confirmation, no deduction of 38,000 won from my account, and no swimsuit, but I did manage to enroll in some sort of card membership program, that is 5,000 won a month. WTF? Signing up for online banking was easier than this.

I was so frustrated that I had wasted that time. It was 9:30 by the time I gave up. I still needed to cook dinner, work on a lesson plan, get a workout in.

Back home, all you would need to order online is your card number and address.

Incidentally, I'm going to Busan this weekend to meet up with friends, so I will just physically go to F21 and buy a swimsuit in person.

Sigh, what can you do, eh?

Agree, the Korean internet is just the worst. Today I went online to buy tickets to the Gwangju Universiade basketball game tomorrow (Rock Chalk Jayhawk!) and not surprisingly, it proved to be basically impossible. Like so many Korean websites that have an English page, Interpark is perfectly useful until it isn't.

First off, the game I wish to attend tips off at 2:30 p.m., and it wasn't listed amongst available tickets, only 5:30 and 8 (women's games as it turns out).

Next, the game is listed on the Korean site, but with a start time at 0:00 p.m. (wtf?) When searching into the Korean version of the Gwangju Universiade website, I learned that tickets are sold in blocks, so a ticket for 0:00 pm (noon) gets me into my game as well.

When it came time to actually buy the ticket once I figured out which one to get - guess what - no surprise I guess - I need to install all manner of security certificates and other bloatware that would not only require flawless Korean ability to use, but even befuddled my Korean co-teacher.

In the end, I had to have her call the ticket office for me in order to get my ticket.

Yes, I know the Korean internet is for Korean speakers and we are a tiny minority here, but this is an international event that foreigners may actually want to fly in for. It's simply absurd that one cannot buy tickets without internet explorer, a good dose of Korean ability, and a willingness to install a bunch of security garbage one one's computer.

Good luck sorting out this mess before Pyeongchang.
My favorite bit is when the whole page is one solid JPEG, thus you can't even self-translate any difficult bits.
As someone with web-design experience, I cannot even begin to wrap my head around the solid jpeg pages...

1. They take longer / more complicated to make
2. They are a complete waste of server resources (you have to download a whole image instead of a couple kb's of text)
3. None of the text is indexable by bots (None, absolutely none of it will be picked up by any search engine)
4. If you want to edit it in any way, you have to go back and recreate the original instead of just changing a few small things.
5. Because its a solid block, its not adjustable to different screen resolutions by the browser (it can show up extremely weird across phones/desktops)

I just can't believe that anyone would ever think that is a good idea, much less have the entire Korean internet somehow get behind the scheme and do it. In my eyes, this, and the internet in general is by far the most backward thing in the whole country.

Don't get me started on the complete and unnecessary overuse of javascript :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Timo on July 13, 2015, 08:34:15 am
I don't usually post in these threads, mainly because I never feel the need to rant. Yes, I get annoyed by things here, but I get over it.

However, I spent 2.5 hours trying to order a swimsuit off of the Korean Forever 21 site. I have never in my life experienced such a hassle and inconvenience while trying to order something online. It wasn't because everything was in Korean, or because I didn't know how to input my address, it was trying to pay with my Korean credit card that made it such a nightmare. Having to switch to IE, then having to download FOUR different security programs, having to start over because I put in the wrong verification identification code, then finally pressing submit to have absolutely nothing happen! No confirmation, no deduction of 38,000 won from my account, and no swimsuit, but I did manage to enroll in some sort of card membership program, that is 5,000 won a month. WTF? Signing up for online banking was easier than this.

I was so frustrated that I had wasted that time. It was 9:30 by the time I gave up. I still needed to cook dinner, work on a lesson plan, get a workout in.

Back home, all you would need to order online is your card number and address.

Incidentally, I'm going to Busan this weekend to meet up with friends, so I will just physically go to F21 and buy a swimsuit in person.

Sigh, what can you do, eh?

Agree, the Korean internet is just the worst. Today I went online to buy tickets to the Gwangju Universiade basketball game tomorrow (Rock Chalk Jayhawk!) and not surprisingly, it proved to be basically impossible. Like so many Korean websites that have an English page, Interpark is perfectly useful until it isn't.

First off, the game I wish to attend tips off at 2:30 p.m., and it wasn't listed amongst available tickets, only 5:30 and 8 (women's games as it turns out).

Next, the game is listed on the Korean site, but with a start time at 0:00 p.m. (wtf?) When searching into the Korean version of the Gwangju Universiade website, I learned that tickets are sold in blocks, so a ticket for 0:00 pm (noon) gets me into my game as well.

When it came time to actually buy the ticket once I figured out which one to get - guess what - no surprise I guess - I need to install all manner of security certificates and other bloatware that would not only require flawless Korean ability to use, but even befuddled my Korean co-teacher.

In the end, I had to have her call the ticket office for me in order to get my ticket.

Yes, I know the Korean internet is for Korean speakers and we are a tiny minority here, but this is an international event that foreigners may actually want to fly in for. It's simply absurd that one cannot buy tickets without internet explorer, a good dose of Korean ability, and a willingness to install a bunch of security garbage one one's computer.

Good luck sorting out this mess before Pyeongchang.
My favorite bit is when the whole page is one solid JPEG, thus you can't even self-translate any difficult bits.
As someone with web-design experience, I cannot even begin to wrap my head around the solid jpeg pages...

1. They take longer / more complicated to make
2. They are a complete waste of server resources (you have to download a whole image instead of a couple kb's of text)
3. None of the text is indexable by bots (None, absolutely none of it will be picked up by any search engine)
4. If you want to edit it in any way, you have to go back and recreate the original instead of just changing a few small things.
5. Because its a solid block, its not adjustable to different screen resolutions by the browser (it can show up extremely weird across phones/desktops)

I just can't believe that anyone would ever think that is a good idea, much less have the entire Korean internet somehow get behind the scheme and do it. In my eyes, this, and the internet in general is by far the most backward thing in the whole country.

Don't get me started on the complete and unnecessary overuse of javascript :rolleyes:
I agree completely. It's just complete laziness in the coding.: They couldn't get x formatting to work through HTML/Javascript so they basically worked out how many pixels wide their monitor was, and just made a jpg sized 10000000px by 480px instead. Somehow this idea spread and it became normal practice.

The amount of bandwidth wasted on text within jpg must be huge.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: masterpayne on July 13, 2015, 09:55:58 am
I hate Korean banking in all its form. On the Korea Air website when it comes to make a payment, you can use a card from anywhere in the world normally but if you need to use a Korean card then you have to go through all that bloatware and security features. In other words impossible if you're not Korean.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on July 13, 2015, 11:29:13 am
I'm about to have to change schools. Again.

After my first year here, I wanted to renew. However, the school I was at was changing from EPIK to TALK, so I had to reapply to EPIK and change schools. I taught at two schools over the next two years, and I developed a great relationship with the students at both of them. I wanted to renew for a third year at those schools, but because of all the budget cuts, all the English teachers who were staying in my province were reshuffled and I had to change schools.

I'm currently working at four different schools, but again because of budget cuts and many of the August hires not renewing, some teachers are being shuffled again, but mid-year this time, so I have to leave the schools I'm at to start at new schools after summer break. I'm told there will be at least two. That means that in four years here, I'll have taught at at least eight different elementary schools, each and every transfer being something I didn't request.

This has officially gone past frustrating and into soulcrushing territory. I just feel so... defeated. I know the forced budget cuts have put many POEs in tough situations, but that doesn't really make things any easier on me or any of the other teachers affected by them. It makes me feel so powerless. Well, more powerless than foreign English teachers in Korea already feel, that is.

Gonna be really hard not to fall off the wagon this weekend. I can't deal with this sh!t.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Zealot_Hill on July 13, 2015, 01:09:51 pm
I'm about to have to change schools. Again.

After my first year here, I wanted to renew. However, the school I was at was changing from EPIK to TALK, so I had to reapply to EPIK and change schools. I taught at two schools over the next two years, and I developed a great relationship with the students at both of them. I wanted to renew for a third year at those schools, but because of all the budget cuts, all the English teachers who were staying in my province were reshuffled and I had to change schools.

I'm currently working at four different schools, but again because of budget cuts and many of the August hires not renewing, some teachers are being shuffled again, but mid-year this time, so I have to leave the schools I'm at to start at new schools after summer break. I'm told there will be at least two. That means that in four years here, I'll have taught at at least eight different elementary schools, each and every transfer being something I didn't request.

This has officially gone past frustrating and into soulcrushing territory. I just feel so... defeated. I know the forced budget cuts have put many POEs in tough situations, but that doesn't really make things any easier on me or any of the other teachers affected by them. It makes me feel so powerless. Well, more powerless than foreign English teachers in Korea already feel, that is.

Gonna be really hard not to fall off the wagon this weekend. I can't deal with this sh!t.

Sorry to hear Mr.Tim are you in a rural setting or in a city? I hope things stabilize, do you have to change accommodations as well? That would really be annoying.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 13, 2015, 01:52:11 pm
Did you know its possible to eat watermelon without ssslluurrrppping? :shocked:  Because apparently the teachers in the office do not.  *cringes*
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Nick P on July 13, 2015, 02:31:43 pm
Oh boy, we had watermelon for lunch. CT across from me slurped it down and then proceeded to spit the seeds from about a foot's height back into his tray. It doesn't seem to bother them, and that's cool cause they do the same table manner stuff, but oh boy is it just not my jam.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on July 13, 2015, 03:16:57 pm
It was the last day for after school classes so I prepared a fun lesson for them. Honestly this class is just terrible and I hope to god I get a different selection of students for next semester.  I spent hours coming up with a fun lesson for our last day. I put them in groups of five to make it easy. Like five people came in very late, one girl came in four minutes before class ended. They have no respect for me. They don't even TRY to speak English they just play dumb. I had everything on the worksheet translated into Korean by my co teacher and they still didn't know what the f*ck they were doing. I was showing them dance videos and they got to judge them from 1-5 on costumes, music, and dancing. They had one person do the writing and the rest of them goofed off. They made fun of all the dances. They're so egocentric that they can't appreciate ANYTHING that isn't Korean. They wouldn't listen if I told them to be quiet. CoT didn't help at all just sat at her desk looking busy. I'm so done. At one point I had finally had it and I just sat down at my desk and got on my phone until the class period time was done.

They've all come in late the entire semester, sometimes a few of them stumble in with 10 minutes left of class. The answer I get from my co teacher is always something like "oh they had to practice running" or "oh they were cooking" etc etc bullsh*t. If they have prior responsibilities then WHY ARE THE ENROLLED IN MY ENGLISH CLASS. It's so disrespectful.

I'm telling my co teacher that next semester they can't come in to class if they're more than 5 minutes late.

Completely sympathise. I had all my grade 5 kids today. 2 of the 3 classes went great. We had a final class day of fun and games and we left for the hols on good terms.

Come the last class. I tell them that today is a game day. I allow them to change their seats which they always beg for and the first period goes OK. After break time they start to act up. I warn them a few times then decide that their last 30 minutes with me is going to consist of me reading a book while clicking on the listen and repeat sections of the book. Fun was had by no one.

I have no regrets. I have 2 control groups that tell me the problem is not my teaching. It's completely on them.  I know it's trendy to say that all children are inherently good but some days we have to admit the sad truth. Some kids are just little shits.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Dixie Wolf on July 13, 2015, 03:26:27 pm
I'm sick of Korean men not understanding that women- all women- have feelings and generally want to be left alone after dark. Also, I'm tired of blonde = prostitute, when "if (blonde = prostitute) = maybe you think too damn much about prostitutes you degenerate!"

I got followed to my apartment building again last weekend, and I rounded on the guy before I could tell if he was going to whip it out (like the last guy).


Ugh. Being followed is such an issue here. I don't know if it's because in South Africa I drive everywhere rather than walk or if stalking is just endemic to Korea but I have had several instances of men blatantly following me around.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on July 13, 2015, 04:46:25 pm

Sorry to hear Mr.Tim are you in a rural setting or in a city? I hope things stabilize, do you have to change accommodations as well? That would really be annoying.

Rural. I've been teaching at elementary schools for three and a half years now, no one school having more than 75 students total. Now I'm to start teaching middle school, which I've never done, at the largest school in a small nearby city. The schools are close enough to my current apartment that I shouldn't have to move, but I haven't been told what the deal is there.  I'm nervous, frustrated, angry, and in sore need of something to calm me down.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on July 13, 2015, 05:08:20 pm
I'm sick of Korean men not understanding that women- all women- have feelings and generally want to be left alone after dark. Also, I'm tired of blonde = prostitute, when "if (blonde = prostitute) = maybe you think too damn much about prostitutes you degenerate!"

I got followed to my apartment building again last weekend, and I rounded on the guy before I could tell if he was going to whip it out (like the last guy).


Ugh. Being followed is such an issue here. I don't know if it's because in South Africa I drive everywhere rather than walk or if stalking is just endemic to Korea but I have had several instances of men blatantly following me around.

same thing has happened to quite a few female friends of mine (foreigners).
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: w_bellevue on July 14, 2015, 12:00:52 am
Dear Korea,
Why are commercials
so effing loud?!?!?

Are you insane?... >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Nivea on July 14, 2015, 12:24:53 am
Those bloody videos on the textbook CD's. The voices are overdubbed and end up out of sync with the actors mouth movements. Also, the fact that I need to check if the black girl is in any video because if I have a certain boys class I avoid playing the video because the laughing/complaining/comments distract the class for too long. Neither mind that half of them are strange looking brats. I mean I get that Korea is a really racist place but having to spend so much time commenting on someone who is not white or Korean seems utterly childish. Its mostly a thing with boys rather than the girls I find.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 14, 2015, 07:50:56 am
Those bloody videos on the textbook CD's. The voices are overdubbed and end up out of sync with the actors mouth movements. Also, the fact that I need to check if the black girl is in any video because if I have a certain boys class I avoid playing the video because the laughing/complaining/comments distract the class for too long. Neither mind that half of them are strange looking brats. I mean I get that Korea is a really racist place but having to spend so much time commenting on someone who is not white or Korean seems utterly childish. Its mostly a thing with boys rather than the girls I find.

THIS THIS THIS! The worst part about it is the NET before me was Jamaican-Canadian...I was absolutely gobsmacked at my kids' behavior.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on July 14, 2015, 08:00:54 am
Those bloody videos on the textbook CD's. The voices are overdubbed and end up out of sync with the actors mouth movements. Also, the fact that I need to check if the black girl is in any video because if I have a certain boys class I avoid playing the video because the laughing/complaining/comments distract the class for too long. Neither mind that half of them are strange looking brats. I mean I get that Korea is a really racist place but having to spend so much time commenting on someone who is not white or Korean seems utterly childish. Its mostly a thing with boys rather than the girls I find.

One day in class, my CoT made a couple students stand up and then she totally tore into them. Gave them a real verbal smackdown. I thought they were going to cry. It was all in Korean, so I didn't catch most of it and had to ask her after class what it was all about. She said that during one of the abovementioned videos, they used the Korean equivalent of the N-word several times, and had even been warned about using it in the past. I would've high-fived her, were she not a little old lady with children my age.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 14, 2015, 08:17:19 am
Those bloody videos on the textbook CD's. The voices are overdubbed and end up out of sync with the actors mouth movements. Also, the fact that I need to check if the black girl is in any video because if I have a certain boys class I avoid playing the video because the laughing/complaining/comments distract the class for too long. Neither mind that half of them are strange looking brats. I mean I get that Korea is a really racist place but having to spend so much time commenting on someone who is not white or Korean seems utterly childish. Its mostly a thing with boys rather than the girls I find.

Not to mention, depending on the book and of course the grade, the content can be rather dull. I find for Daegyo Grade 5 the textbook sucks, for Cheonchae(or whatever it is)Grade 4 sucks, YBM grade 5, and so on. Also for one of the textbooks there's this girl who shows pronunciation. My students called her 이상여자 or strange girl lol
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on July 14, 2015, 09:02:48 am
9:45 AM on a Tuesday and I'm chilling at home, good thing. I had to circumnavigate a veritable clusterf**k of unnecessary BS to be chilling on my couch at this time of day.

CT texts me last night saying the kids are going to the CGV to watch a movie and that she'd like me to come along. No problem, but I teach at 2 schools (about an hour of travel apart) on the same day and straight after 3rd period I have to high tail it to the bus stop, to catch the bus for my next school. I ask here if I can be excused since the CGV is even further from the bus stop for my 2nd school, the movie ends 15min before the bus arrives (the bus stop is about a 20min walk or an unnecessary cab ride away),  the movie is an animation (not my thing) and dubbed in Korean.

The more I'm trying to gently persuade her to be reasonable, the more she's trying to tell me how great the movie is, how popular it is in the states and how I'll enjoy it. So this morning, I go to school, at 09:10 we carpool with another CT. She gives me the cold shoulder, throughout the ride and drops me off downtown, nowhere near my bus stop, CGV or apartment. "Ok, see you next week, bye"

Essentially, I went to school to come home...


Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on July 14, 2015, 11:48:56 am
Those bloody videos on the textbook CD's. The voices are overdubbed and end up out of sync with the actors mouth movements. Also, the fact that I need to check if the black girl is in any video because if I have a certain boys class I avoid playing the video because the laughing/complaining/comments distract the class for too long. Neither mind that half of them are strange looking brats. I mean I get that Korea is a really racist place but having to spend so much time commenting on someone who is not white or Korean seems utterly childish. Its mostly a thing with boys rather than the girls I find.

One day in class, my CoT made a couple students stand up and then she totally tore into them. Gave them a real verbal smackdown. I thought they were going to cry. It was all in Korean, so I didn't catch most of it and had to ask her after class what it was all about. She said that during one of the abovementioned videos, they used the Korean equivalent of the N-word several times, and had even been warned about using it in the past. I would've high-fived her, were she not a little old lady with children my age.

My old co-teacher used to flip the old Uri Nara nonsense in order to avoid the racist jeering. She didn't care until she saw me get angry at one of the books that represented Uganda's national dress as a leopard or zebra skin. We had a chat about racism and I pointed out that racists back home tended to be  semi-retarded plebs. She took this and board and decided that none of our students would shame the Korean Nation with these types of antics.

She was old enough to have a bit of a chip on her shoulder about Korea  being perceived as backward. She was the best co-teacher I ever had by far. Scared the sprogs silly.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: tikleme_elmo on July 14, 2015, 01:36:27 pm
Naengmyeon is the devil
I agree. The texture is weird. All noodles should be hot to me.
Ugh yeah. Like.. its cold. I feel like I'm drinking vinegar from the bottle.
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in the view that one day I might.  Kind of like how kids get over things like their dislike of tomatoes (unless they're juvenile and petty like my brother).

 :laugh:

Hahahaha only a sourpuss with suboptimal taste buds and brain cells would dislike tomatoes.

As for nangmyeon, the first handful of times I ate it I rejected it upon pure noodle logic. But it grows on you and is now one of my favorite Korean dishes (with a little mustard of course).
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 15, 2015, 10:53:36 am
I swear to god, people. I swear to f-ing god.

I came in this morning to a long, angry screed about how I am wasteful and "hurt earth" because I apparently leave the lights on when I'm not in my classroom (I don't, except if I'm just running to the bathroom) and I use the air conditioning too much (I have used it ONCE, for TWO HOURS).

I'm guessing this will be yet another attempt by my school to not pay me in full because I am "using too much electricity" and have to pay for it. So now I get to wait for that shoe to drop.

I HATE IT HERE AND I DON'T CARE IF SAYING THAT MAKES ANYONE MAD.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: AndyKanerva on July 15, 2015, 11:52:44 am
I swear to god, people. I swear to f-ing god.

I came in this morning to a long, angry screed about how I am wasteful and "hurt earth" because I apparently leave the lights on when I'm not in my classroom (I don't, except if I'm just running to the bathroom) and I use the air conditioning too much (I have used it ONCE, for TWO HOURS).

I'm guessing this will be yet another attempt by my school to not pay me in full because I am "using too much electricity" and have to pay for it. So now I get to wait for that shoe to drop.

I HATE IT HERE AND I DON'T CARE IF SAYING THAT MAKES ANYONE MAD.
Your school sounds like shit and it sounds like they are operating outside of the law. I'm sorry to hear that and I can imagine it is burdensome on you. Don't let it bring down your personal life though, do what you can to enjoy every moment outside of that hellhole to the fullest.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: masterpayne on July 15, 2015, 12:42:25 pm
I swear to god, people. I swear to f-ing god.

I came in this morning to a long, angry screed about how I am wasteful and "hurt earth" because I apparently leave the lights on when I'm not in my classroom (I don't, except if I'm just running to the bathroom) and I use the air conditioning too much (I have used it ONCE, for TWO HOURS).

I'm guessing this will be yet another attempt by my school to not pay me in full because I am "using too much electricity" and have to pay for it. So now I get to wait for that shoe to drop.

I HATE IT HERE AND I DON'T CARE IF SAYING THAT MAKES ANYONE MAD.

They won't be able to charge you for the electricity. At most they may deprive you control of the aircon. If they hand you a bill tell your district coordinator and education office.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on July 15, 2015, 12:45:22 pm
Trying to do the right thing an upload my complete camp for all y'all f***ers and waygook keeps throwing me out.

About to say **** it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: AlivePoet on July 15, 2015, 12:50:06 pm
Trying to do the right thing an upload my complete camp for all y'all f***ers and waygook keeps throwing me out.

About to say **** it.

Meh, **** it brah. don't think any of us 'f***ers' need or want your complete camp.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on July 15, 2015, 12:53:04 pm
Trying to do the right thing an upload my complete camp for all y'all f***ers and waygook keeps throwing me out.

About to say **** it.

Meh, **** it brah. don't think any of us 'f***ers' need or want your complete camp.

Meh, **** you, Brah.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jomi on July 15, 2015, 12:56:37 pm
Dear First-Year-Out-Of-Uni 5th grade co-teacher,

Ignoring the autistic child in the class is not the correct way to deal with an autistic child. I am also not qualified in SEN teaching and I cannot communicate with him because YOU DON'T DO YOUR JOB. Your job in the classes I lead is to assist me is classroom management, translate instructions if a significant portion of the class don't understand and help the lower ability/SEN children during tasks on a one-to-one basis with the child most in need. You don't do this. You don't translated at all in any class no matter how much the kids blatantly don't understand. You don't go around the classroom and sit with a child that is struggling and the whole attitude towards the autistic boy is to give him a book to read even though he has told you he wants to join in and try learning English. I cannot communicate with him, you saying you don't know how to deal with him honestly isn't much of an excuse it's your job to try. The only resources I have for autistic children are in English and are mostly based on the school day of a British school and are anger management related. If I try to use these I'm overstepping my role as the NET. This is something YOU need to talk about with his homeroom teacher and the SEN teacher because doing nothing is not helping him. Of course he is disruptive in class.
And as much as you should be understanding of his behavior because he is autistic and is a few stages behind his class mates when it comes to maturity, his hitting you (a teacher) is not something to let slide. The class is suffering because you're telling me to just carry on teaching while he is screaming and fighting you and drawing on the whiteboard and children tend to watch the distraction and not the teacher.

Also the low level, straight up lazy boy in another class... You can't allow him to continue just sitting there and spacing out not doing anything. The reason he doesn't even know the alphabet is because of korean teachers letting him just sit there and do nothing. When I'm trying to help him with the simple textbook writing task 1) I'm doing your job 2) Telling me to STOP because 'he finds English hard' is not the response you should have. If I have to sit one-to-one with him and go through a key expression in Korean to help him learn the smallest amount of English that is what I'm going to do. You can't just ignore the children that find it hard and let them doodle all lesson.
And frankly he is lazy and has no motivation. He needs you to assist in the class and force him to work. I can deal with other kids in the class myself.

It drives me nuts how Korean teachers let kids get away with being lazy and rude. This kid is NEVER prepared for class. When told to quickly get his book he deliberately started walking in slow motion with is disrespecting the teacher and she just IGNORED it. He sits there doing nothing complaining he's bored and she does NOTHING.

Do your job for crying out loud.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on July 15, 2015, 12:57:54 pm
Trying to do the right thing an upload my complete camp for all y'all f***ers and waygook keeps throwing me out.

About to say **** it.

Meh, **** it brah. don't think any of us 'f***ers' need or want your complete camp.

Meh, **** you, Brah.

Double **** you, Brah. Looks like it worked.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: AlivePoet on July 15, 2015, 01:03:26 pm

Meh, **** you, Brah.

Double **** you, Brah. Looks like it worked.

Stay classy, brah.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on July 15, 2015, 01:07:05 pm

Stay classy, brah.

Likewise.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: The Arm on July 15, 2015, 01:28:51 pm
Hearing my name over and over in conversations in the office.  After they've finished talking, no one has the courtesy to tell me what they were talking about.

When I ask; "oh it's nothing".

Does this annoy anyone else? 

It's so rude in my opinion.  If it's a short chat then fair enough but when I hear my name over and over again in a five minute conversation and then get no explanation, it really winds me up.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChrisKorea on July 15, 2015, 01:33:32 pm
I made a thread about this last year, but it still bothers me:

WHY THE HELL ARE WE EATING BOILING HOT SOUP IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER?????
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: The Arm on July 15, 2015, 01:38:13 pm
Ignoring the autistic child in the class is not the correct way to deal with an autistic child.

Do your job for crying out loud.

SO with you on this.  I'm often left open mouthed at how special needs students are treated in my school.  Usually just ignored by my CTs even though they've demonstrated their eagerness to learn English.  My CTs mostly tell me to not include them in any activities which is ridiculous.

Once during a writing activity a SN student was struggling and my CT appeared to be helping him.  She called me over and said "The Arm, watch this".  She then told the student to write a word which he couldn't spell.  She started laughing then she smugly looked at me and walked off.

I hate her so much.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 15, 2015, 01:41:20 pm
I made a thread about this last year, but it still bothers me:

WHY THE HELL ARE WE EATING BOILING HOT SOUP IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER?????

"Because it is good for our health" or something like that
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 15, 2015, 01:42:19 pm
Ignoring the autistic child in the class is not the correct way to deal with an autistic child.

Do your job for crying out loud.

Yeah, mine won't let me talk to the special needs students. Like I am actually not allowed to speak to them because speaking to a foreigner is too scary. They also accused one boy of being a child molester because he told a classmate that he saw a porno.


I hate that I have to post in here a second time today.

I'm happy the second and third graders love me. I'm not happy that they just decided to show their love by grabbing an arm each and yanking on my wrists (I broke one of them badly and it's weak), kicking me in the shins, dragging me to the stairs and pushing me so I fall down,and then jumping in my lap for hugs. Oh, and slapping my arm hard so they can get in for another hug.

WHILE THEIR AFTERSCHOOL TEACHER WATCHED. "Oh, how cute! They very love you!" GET THE HELL IN HERE AND HELP ME, YOU TWIT!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: mr on July 15, 2015, 02:02:10 pm
Having to submit a "plan" for what I'll do on my vacation...where will you go? ...what activities will you do there?...who is paying for your vacation?... where did you vacation for the last 2 years and what did you do there?
What I do during my free time and vacation has NOTHING to do with anyone and I don't see the need to officially document it...very big brother
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on July 15, 2015, 02:17:29 pm
Having to submit a "plan" for what I'll do on my vacation...where will you go? ...what activities will you do there?...who is paying for your vacation?... where did you vacation for the last 2 years and what did you do there?
What I do during my free time and vacation has NOTHING to do with anyone and I don't see the need to officially document it...very big brother

Yeah, I was asked this too. Very bizarre. My dad told me when I was young. "Son, never work for free." It's a good quote on its own, and I adhere to it. But it also symbolizes, "Keep your work and your life seperate." I like my job, I do. But at the end of it, it's there to pay my way through life. Once 4:40 hits, I'm gone. I don't bring documents home with me, and I don't plan out lessons at home.

It's reminiscent of when the hagwons said that their teachers couldn't go to Itaewon due to SARS or some such nonsense. It's BS. When I leave that door at 4:40, that's a different person. That's my time. Like the Goonies. "Up there, it's their time. But down here, that's our time, OUR TIME."
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: sweetkat on July 15, 2015, 02:22:31 pm
there si a special needs boy here.  And i see him often abused and misunderstood by his teacher and his peers.  THis year they allowed him to be in my afterschool class. I chose love over impatience.  I got through to him. his mother was at my open class and told me that he loves me.   BUt of course, my position has been eliminated.  I will miss him so very much. 

in another direction.....would you stay and take a hagwon position after being in public elementary school after 8 years?  lose medical, lose pension, lose vacation and 500,000 won?  Oh and without a reference because the school i have been at the longest won't give me a point of contact as a reference because they aren't my main school.  And my main coteacher at my main school, is a liar who I wouldn't trust anything with, who is the most controlling exaggerating, angry woman i have met in Korea.  I am known in the city to be a very good teacher. But i have to rely on her to give me a reference...so I won't. 

I wasn't ready to leave. I love my school, I love my students. My new coteacher has helped me be more ready to leave and now the other school, their lack of willingnesss to help me has cemented my decision that Korea is not for me any more.  problem is..i am married and my husband has his dream job. I will not surrender to a prison that is a hagwon but my husband is only pacifying me by saying he would consider moving away with me.

I think there is a better country out there for me. Maybe less pay, but lower standard of living, more vacation and less working hours.  I want ot choose this option..but the problem is my husband and me..my job is the only thing that has made me happy here>  and now its gone i have no reason for staying except for my husband's happiness.

but i have been working for 25 years...since i was fifteen.  I have never been unemployed. i have no idea how to be unemployed. And i have just over two months to figure out what i am going to do next.

But one thing I have decided on...is my goodbye song to Korea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AVOpNR2PIs
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: AndyKanerva on July 15, 2015, 02:29:50 pm
Ignoring the autistic child in the class is not the correct way to deal with an autistic child.

Do your job for crying out loud.

Yeah, mine won't let me talk to the special needs students. Like I am actually not allowed to speak to them because speaking to a foreigner is too scary. They also accused one boy of being a child molester because he told a classmate that he saw a porno.


I hate that I have to post in here a second time today.

I'm happy the second and third graders love me. I'm not happy that they just decided to show their love by grabbing an arm each and yanking on my wrists (I broke one of them badly and it's weak), kicking me in the shins, dragging me to the stairs and pushing me so I fall down,and then jumping in my lap for hugs. Oh, and slapping my arm hard so they can get in for another hug.

WHILE THEIR AFTERSCHOOL TEACHER WATCHED. "Oh, how cute! They very love you!" GET THE HELL IN HERE AND HELP ME, YOU TWIT!
From other posts I have deduced you are a lady, so just count your blessings you don't have the strongest kindergartners punching your nuts at every chance they get. My first ever day of teaching involved my nuts getting slammed by the chubbiest girl in class.
Main thing is, no one can protect you but yourself. You've gotta stop them before they start!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: masterpayne on July 15, 2015, 02:37:48 pm
I've taught several autistic kids, some are great and wonderful, some would rather not participate and the few which are severe cases, we try our best to keep busy so they don't disrupt the classes. (it can be quite a shocking thing to see a sixth grade boy leap up and start screaming while hitting his head.)

My opinion is try and go for any small success with them, don't get upset they aren't up to date with the rest of the class, be happy if they try to speak whatever English they have with you. I have one girl with down syndrome, very lovely and likes to hug. She doesn't have much in the way of English but will try hard and likes to use sentences she's familiar with like "What do you want to be?" I think we've had that conversation a hundred times, but I'm happy to go through it with her because she's getting the confidence to try and at the end of the day isn't that what we're trying to give the kids, the confidence to speak English and just try it.

In my books the biggest failures and those I find intolerable are not those who tried and failed or got it wrong (they I applaud for the efforts), but those who refuse to even try in the first place.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on July 15, 2015, 02:45:16 pm
Apparently not only will I be changing schools in the middle of the year, I'll be changing from elementary to middle school. For the three and a half years I've been here so far, I've only ever taught at elementary schools. I have zero experience teaching middle schools, so I don't know why they've chosen me of all people as the person to make this move. I can only assume it was either arbitrary, or they heard I'm good at my job at the elementary school and assume the skills will translate. Even if the former was the impetus, I really hope the latter is true.

Now that my anger and frustration at the situation have had time to simmer down, a bit of nervousness is starting to rise to the top. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say they prefer middle school, and I've heard countless horror stories. My main school will be the largest middle school in the area, so I'll be going from elementary schools with no more than 70 students total, to a school that's probably larger than all the schools I've worked at in the past combined. I'll be going from small class sizes with little kids to large classes with pubescent teens and preteens. Ugh.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 15, 2015, 03:00:21 pm
Apparently not only will I be changing schools in the middle of the year, I'll be changing from elementary to middle school. For the three and a half years I've been here so far, I've only ever taught at elementary schools. I have zero experience teaching middle schools, so I don't know why they've chosen me of all people as the person to make this move. I can only assume it was either arbitrary, or they heard I'm good at my job at the elementary school and assume the skills will translate. Even if the former was the impetus, I really hope the latter is true.

Now that my anger and frustration at the situation have had time to simmer down, a bit of nervousness is starting to rise to the top. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say they prefer middle school, and I've heard countless horror stories. My main school will be the largest middle school in the area, so I'll be going from elementary schools with no more than 70 students total, to a school that's probably larger than all the schools I've worked at in the past combined. I'll be going from small class sizes with little kids to large classes with pubescent teens and preteens. Ugh.

I'd trade you any day.  I switched to elementary and middle school after working for 3 years at a boys high school. I don't enjoy elementary school. My middle school is my breath of fresh air.  Is it boys or girls. If its boys, or even mixed you should be fine. The girls can be horrible. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: yfb on July 15, 2015, 03:15:17 pm
I have two kids in one of my classes who are fraternal twins. The sister is smart in English and miles ahead of anyone else in class. The brother is the polar opposite. He speaks maybe 30 words of English and has a speech impediment and I think mild autism and a massive inferiority complex. He melts down at the slightest challenge. Like if he can't spell a word we're studying, it's the end of the world for him and he'll rock his chair, kick the table, whine, shout, cry, and complain despite all my attempts to calm him down and practice with him. The CT does help out though so that's nice.

The thing with this pair is that they CANNOT BE HAPPY AT THE SAME TIME. If I try to help the brother out, the sister gets mad and sulks for the rest of class and mumbles her answers. If I help the sister, the brother whines and cries and rages for the rest of class. Absolutely nutty. Just this past class we were doing a word search and he had a meltdown because he didn't know how to do a word search and my explanations weren't helping. I call the CT over, the CT explains how to do a word search, and he calms down with me helping him. Strange.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: tamjen on July 15, 2015, 03:22:07 pm
I made a thread about this last year, but it still bothers me:

WHY THE HELL ARE WE EATING BOILING HOT SOUP IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER?????

Wait a minute! You have hot soup? That's cool. I have never had hot soup at school. And I mean never. Luke warm to medium is the best we are ever served.

Jealous...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: purpleradish on July 15, 2015, 04:30:38 pm
I swear to god, people. I swear to f-ing god.

I came in this morning to a long, angry screed about how I am wasteful and "hurt earth" because I apparently leave the lights on when I'm not in my classroom (I don't, except if I'm just running to the bathroom) and I use the air conditioning too much (I have used it ONCE, for TWO HOURS).

I'm guessing this will be yet another attempt by my school to not pay me in full because I am "using too much electricity" and have to pay for it. So now I get to wait for that shoe to drop.

I HATE IT HERE AND I DON'T CARE IF SAYING THAT MAKES ANYONE MAD.

Apparently, and I just heard this today, coincidentally, government buildings (my school included) are heavily fined for misusing electricity/aircon, etc. If no one is in the room, the power has to be off OR people can actually report the building and--get this--get a reward for it!! So there are actually people wandering schools and govt offices (creepy much?) peeking into unused rooms to see if there is electricity on to try and get money for it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ThulsaDoom on July 15, 2015, 05:39:31 pm
Thanks after school company who shall remain nameless.  Thanks for telling me the current employee will not continue working there so the job is essentially mine.  And thanks to that little coward for changing his mind about the job and as a result screwing me out of it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jb2079 on July 16, 2015, 10:29:27 am
They calculated my vacation down to the minute.
They calculated 2 days worth medical checks in my vacation time.
There is nothing I can do to change what they messed up.

4 days 4 hours and 20 minutes

So I have to go in on a monday.

I told them I'll be leaving the country on the saturday before.

Asked if they could spare me a vacation day.

They refused and said if I wanted to leave early they will deduct 70,000 won off my paycheck.

UGH.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: masterpayne on July 16, 2015, 10:43:54 am
They calculated my vacation down to the minute.
They calculated 2 days worth medical checks in my vacation time.
There is nothing I can do to change what they messed up.

4 days 4 hours and 20 minutes

So I have to go in on a monday.

I told them I'll be leaving the country on the saturday before.

Asked if they could spare me a vacation day.

They refused and said if I wanted to leave early they will deduct 70,000 won off my paycheck.

UGH.

I'm surprised the calculated it down to the minute, it's normally down to 30m blocks which is what the NEIS system comes down to. Sadly having part of your pay deducted is normal if you want extra holiday time. Especially with money being so tight these days they are quite quick to enforce it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Joshua1211 on July 16, 2015, 11:20:13 am
My coteacher is trying to plan a skit for the school festival today. I'm more of a quiet person so I don't really like performing in Korea, but I realise I have to make compromises sometimes. She told me a week ago about it which was great but she has changed the skit everyday since then including today. Apparently I'm supposed be in a skit with her in a couple of hours and I still have no idea what I'm supposed to do!!! My other coteacher decided it would be a good idea to randomly add ten students to my camp starting next Monday as well as an afternoon free speaking class for two hours. How the F*#@ am I supposed to free talk for two hours for 5 days in a row with Korean kids who can barely say full sentences?? I HATE THIS EVERYTHING-LAST-MINUTE CULTURE IN KOREA. I would say it's reason number 1 why I can't wait to GTFO of here!

Also: Korea's nationalism and shock when I tell them I don't like living here or don't like kimchi -even after 2.5 years of living here. Like it's impossible for them to believe Korea is not the eutopia of the world.

I'm American and American's can be obnoxiously proud of their country but I think Korea could easily give America a run for it's money when it comes to excessive nationalism.

I think I'm done. I really needed to get that off my chest.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Pennypie on July 16, 2015, 12:08:55 pm
What exactly is the EPIK coordinators job description?

It seems like they just shrug and say "every school is different" whilst everything in the POE goes to shit.   >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on July 16, 2015, 12:40:05 pm
What exactly is the EPIK coordinators job description?

It seems like they just shrug and say "every school is different" whilst everything in the POE goes to shit.   >:( >:( >:( >:(

"Damage control resulting from inept governmental decisionmaking" sounds like a fair description, I'd say.

If you're in the same POE as I am (and I believe you are), our coordinator's had a lot of sh!t dumped on her plate over the last year and a half. I know she seems important because she's pretty much the highest ranking person we have contact with at the POE, but it's pretty safe to say she's actually pretty low down on the totem pole over there.

Chances are if there's something you need help with and she can't help you, it's literally that: She can't help you. Us NETs probably expect way more of her than she's actually capable of delivering, and though our frustrations are obviously justified these days, I think she gets more flack for it than she deserves.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Pennypie on July 16, 2015, 01:05:49 pm
What exactly is the EPIK coordinators job description?

It seems like they just shrug and say "every school is different" whilst everything in the POE goes to shit.   >:( >:( >:( >:(

"Damage control resulting from inept governmental decisionmaking" sounds like a fair description, I'd say.

If you're in the same POE as I am (and I believe you are), our coordinator's had a lot of sh!t dumped on her plate over the last year and a half. I know she seems important because she's pretty much the highest ranking person we have contact with at the POE, but it's pretty safe to say she's actually pretty low down on the totem pole over there.

Chances are if there's something you need help with and she can't help you, it's literally that: She can't help you. Us NETs probably expect way more of her than she's actually capable of delivering, and though our frustrations are obviously justified these days, I think she gets more flack for it than she deserves.

 I agree with the first line.

I don't think most of us expect her to change anything, we know she can't.
However we are just asking for some information (on a mass level rather than individually). Information she can access and we can't.  It's been nothing but radio silence since all this went down.

Us NETs probably expect way more of her than she's actually capable of delivering, and though our frustrations are obviously justified these days, I think she gets more flack for it than she deserves.

Yes I can agree with this. It just seems like lately when we do voice our frustrations we get a shrug or a sarcastic response....I don't know, some understanding or even an apology (not personally, but just a general sorry this is happening) would be nice.

I'm not saying she is a bad person here, but isn't it her job to send out info to us? Information we are having to get via Facebook and the grapevine instead.

I think we've definitely been lucky with her but right now it feels like she is just leaving us all to flail and panic about what is happening....so it feels good to rant about it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: viennica on July 16, 2015, 01:11:54 pm
Hearing my name over and over in conversations in the office.  After they've finished talking, no one has the courtesy to tell me what they were talking about.

When I ask; "oh it's nothing".

Does this annoy anyone else? 

It's so rude in my opinion.  If it's a short chat then fair enough but when I hear my name over and over again in a five minute conversation and then get no explanation, it really winds me up.

This drives me nuts! My coteachers have finally figured out how much it bugs me, so they've stopped. They haven't stopped talking about me when I'm in the room of course, they've just stopped using my name.  Now they just call me "wonomin saem" and I just pretend I don't understand what they're talking about :rolleyes:

The worst is when my students ask my coteacher a question about me during class and my coteacher answers for me even though I am standing right there and they don't actually know the answer.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on July 16, 2015, 01:19:09 pm
What exactly is the EPIK coordinators job description?

It seems like they just shrug and say "every school is different" whilst everything in the POE goes to shit.   >:( >:( >:( >:(

"Damage control resulting from inept governmental decisionmaking" sounds like a fair description, I'd say.

If you're in the same POE as I am (and I believe you are), our coordinator's had a lot of sh!t dumped on her plate over the last year and a half. I know she seems important because she's pretty much the highest ranking person we have contact with at the POE, but it's pretty safe to say she's actually pretty low down on the totem pole over there.

Chances are if there's something you need help with and she can't help you, it's literally that: She can't help you. Us NETs probably expect way more of her than she's actually capable of delivering, and though our frustrations are obviously justified these days, I think she gets more flack for it than she deserves.

 I agree with the first line.

I don't think most of us expect her to change anything, we know she can't.
However we are just asking for some information (on a mass level rather than individually). Information she can access and we can't.  It's been nothing but radio silence since all this went down.

Us NETs probably expect way more of her than she's actually capable of delivering, and though our frustrations are obviously justified these days, I think she gets more flack for it than she deserves.

Yes I can agree with this. It just seems like lately when we do voice our frustrations we get a shrug or a sarcastic response....I don't know, some understanding or even an apology (not personally, but just a general sorry this is happening) would be nice.

I'm not saying she is a bad person here, but isn't it her job to send out info to us? Information we are having to get via Facebook and the grapevine instead.

I think we've definitely been lucky with her but right now it feels like she is just leaving us all to flail and panic about what is happening....so it feels good to rant about it.

Believe me, I understand. The blow from the events detailed in my little rant earlier in this thread about having to leave all my current schools and start at a new batch after summer vacation might've been softened a little if I had had any indication whatsoever that it was something that might be happening, but a casual mention from a coteacher at the start of class was the absolute first I heard about it. Even now that I've heard about it from Coteachers, my handler, and the teacher I'll be replacing at my new schools, I still haven't gotten any word about it whatsoever from the POE. Not an email, not a phone call, nothing. Communication definitely leaves much to be desired.

I wasn't really try to call you out or say you're being to hard on her or to stop complaining or whatever, hope I didn't come off that way. This entire past year and a half has been a real sh!t-show in our province, and some teachers that actually stood a chance at being able to renew this coming cycle chose not to, because they were so sick of how things have been going. I just kinda feel bad for our rep, because she's in the middle dealing with shit rolling down from the higher-ups and dealing with our questions and complaints. I don't envy her position in the slightest.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Pennypie on July 16, 2015, 01:28:23 pm
What exactly is the EPIK coordinators job description?

It seems like they just shrug and say "every school is different" whilst everything in the POE goes to shit.   >:( >:( >:( >:(

"Damage control resulting from inept governmental decisionmaking" sounds like a fair description, I'd say.

If you're in the same POE as I am (and I believe you are), our coordinator's had a lot of sh!t dumped on her plate over the last year and a half. I know she seems important because she's pretty much the highest ranking person we have contact with at the POE, but it's pretty safe to say she's actually pretty low down on the totem pole over there.

Chances are if there's something you need help with and she can't help you, it's literally that: She can't help you. Us NETs probably expect way more of her than she's actually capable of delivering, and though our frustrations are obviously justified these days, I think she gets more flack for it than she deserves.

 I agree with the first line.

I don't think most of us expect her to change anything, we know she can't.
However we are just asking for some information (on a mass level rather than individually). Information she can access and we can't.  It's been nothing but radio silence since all this went down.

Us NETs probably expect way more of her than she's actually capable of delivering, and though our frustrations are obviously justified these days, I think she gets more flack for it than she deserves.

Yes I can agree with this. It just seems like lately when we do voice our frustrations we get a shrug or a sarcastic response....I don't know, some understanding or even an apology (not personally, but just a general sorry this is happening) would be nice.

I'm not saying she is a bad person here, but isn't it her job to send out info to us? Information we are having to get via Facebook and the grapevine instead.

I think we've definitely been lucky with her but right now it feels like she is just leaving us all to flail and panic about what is happening....so it feels good to rant about it.

Believe me, I understand. The blow from the events detailed in my little rant earlier in this thread about having to leave all my current schools and start at a new batch after summer vacation might've been softened a little if I had had any indication whatsoever that it was something that might be happening, but a casual mention from a coteacher at the start of class was the absolute first I heard about it. Even now that I've heard about it from Coteachers, my handler, and the teacher I'll be replacing at my new schools, I still haven't gotten any word about it whatsoever from the POE. Not an email, not a phone call, nothing. Communication definitely leaves much to be desired.

I wasn't really try to call you out or say you're being to hard on her or to stop complaining or whatever, hope I didn't come off that way. This entire past year and a half has been a real sh!t-show in our province, and some teachers that actually stood a chance at being able to renew this coming cycle chose not to, because they were so sick of how things have been going. I just kinda feel bad for our rep, because she's in the middle dealing with shit rolling down from the higher-ups and dealing with our questions and complaints. I don't envy her position in the slightest.


That's a horrible situation. All of us are going through a hard time right now but definitely some more than others. I just wish I had some idea of how the decisions are being made because i feel like a monkey could make more logical decisions. Even my co teachers think it's absolutely ridiculous.

No don't worry about it, I was probably being defensive too because it was a little harsh of me. I've heard she is leaving? So maybe that's why she's checked out a little.

Yeah I feel bad for her too, and I don't envy her at all either. I certainly couldn't do it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on July 16, 2015, 01:41:56 pm
you need to distinguish between the EPIK coordinators and the head coordinators of your MOE/POE. it seems like the person you're talking about above is the coordinator for you MOE/POE. they don't work for EPIK. they work for your MOE/POE. EPIK doesn't pay their salary, and has nothing to do with their position.

EPIK is basically a big government recruiting firm that handles the recruitment, training, and to a certain extent, the placement of NETs. EPIK does have coordinators working for them, but what they do is a bit different to what the coordinators at the MOE/POEs do. EPIK doesn't select the MOE/POE coordinators, the MOE/POEs select those themselves.

once you've gone through orientation EPIK really has very little to do with you.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Pennypie on July 16, 2015, 02:01:19 pm
you need to distinguish between the EPIK coordinators and the head coordinators of your MOE/POE. it seems like the person you're talking about above is the coordinator for you MOE/POE. they don't work for EPIK. they work for your MOE/POE. EPIK doesn't pay their salary, and has nothing to do with their position.

EPIK is basically a big government recruiting firm that handles the recruitment, training, and to a certain extent, the placement of NETs. EPIK does have coordinators working for them, but what they do is a bit different to what the coordinators at the MOE/POEs do. EPIK doesn't select the MOE/POE coordinators, the MOE/POEs select those themselves.

once you've gone through orientation EPIK really has very little to do with you.

Ok. So if you read the post again then mentally change EPIK coordinator to POE coordinator.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on July 16, 2015, 02:21:54 pm
I knew what she meant and exactly who she was talking about.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 16, 2015, 03:13:35 pm
The creepy groundskeeper of my school comes into the main teachers office sometimes for coffee but he stands over my shoulder. Almost always. I hope he can read English as he's standing behind me as I type.   He could easily walk over to the teacher he's talking to. But instead he chooses to stand directly behind me and snort and slurp his coffee and he smells like dirt. When he's not speaking to the teacher he's watching me. Its really uncomfortable.  :sad:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Timo on July 16, 2015, 03:33:37 pm
The creepy groundskeeper of my school comes into the main teachers office sometimes for coffee but he stands over my shoulder. Almost always. I hope he can read English as he's standing behind me as I type.   He could easily walk over to the teacher he's talking to. But instead he chooses to stand directly behind me and snort and slurp his coffee and he smells like dirt. When he's not speaking to the teacher he's watching me. Its really uncomfortable.  :sad:
$50 says he's checking out your breasts.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 17, 2015, 07:40:50 am
The creepy groundskeeper of my school comes into the main teachers office sometimes for coffee but he stands over my shoulder. Almost always. I hope he can read English as he's standing behind me as I type.   He could easily walk over to the teacher he's talking to. But instead he chooses to stand directly behind me and snort and slurp his coffee and he smells like dirt. When he's not speaking to the teacher he's watching me. Its really uncomfortable.  :sad:
$50 says he's checking out your breasts.

Well from where he stands, he can't see much, but very probable. Gross.  >:(

The creepy groundskeeper of my school comes into the main teachers office sometimes for coffee but he stands over my shoulder. Almost always. I hope he can read English as he's standing behind me as I type.   He could easily walk over to the teacher he's talking to. But instead he chooses to stand directly behind me and snort and slurp his coffee and he smells like dirt. When he's not speaking to the teacher he's watching me. Its really uncomfortable.  :sad:

My groundskeeper is really creepy too. Every morning when I walk in he starts talking about me to the other teachers in the lounge. EVERY MORNING. Actually ANY time I walk into the teachers lounge, for that matter. Every time I'm visible, he's saying something about me. I can't understand much korean but I understand my name and I understand "pretty"

Mine only really comes in once a week or so. But sometimes he does work at my other school which is next door, and when I walked by him one day the creepiness continued.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLPZmPaHme0
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on July 17, 2015, 07:52:23 am
People that have annoyed me on the bus to work this morning.

1. Trio of ajoshis who felt the need to have a smoke at the bus stop . They weren't waiting for a bus or anything. They moved on to their building site once they were done. I guess it's just not a good ajoshi break if you haven't made someone's day a little worse. Pricks.

2. The dozen or so soldiers from the local base who have been allowed off camp. Firstly, why are most of them carrying paper shopping bags from fashion stores or the such? I know the ROK army isn't exactly the French Foreign Legion but let's try not to look like the average soldier's  hobby is buying cosmetics and lacy things.

Secondly, does no one teach the soldiers to read? There is a bus to Seoul and a bus to elsewhere that comes to my village in the morning. This is very clearly displayed. Why do these eejits not read the destination on the front of the bus? If that's too complicated wouldn't it be a better strategy to let people get on the ask the bus driver where the bus is headed?

The proud defenders of Daehan Minguk think it's better for all of them to barge ahead of other people, all cram up in the little stairwell and only then ask the bus driver where he is going. Cue an equally shambolic disembarkation. Bear in mind these are soldiers from an armoured battalion.  You would think logistics and transport would be something they know. If there ever is a shooting war with the cousins then this country is f**ked. Imbeciles.

3. The grannies at the next stop who needed to interrogate the bus driver for 5 minutes before deciding to take the bus. How in the name of of the Holy Breast Milk of the Virgin Mary does someone need that much information to board the bus? What could they possibly need to know that required such a lengthy back and forth with an increasingly irate driver? Finally why is it that old people seem to love wasting time? In their case they are using up a precious commodity. Coffin Dodging old bats.


Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! Feel better now. Let's all have a nice Friday!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on July 17, 2015, 08:21:18 am
2. The dozen or so soldiers from the local base who have been allowed off camp. Firstly, why are most of them carrying paper shopping bags from fashion stores or the such? I know the ROK army isn't exactly the French Foreign Legion but let's try not to look like the average soldier's  hobby is buying cosmetics and lacy things.

Probably gifts for their girlfriends or care packages from their girlfriends that they threw in reused cosmetic bags.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: YoungMin on July 17, 2015, 08:36:52 am
Dear Korea,
Why are commercials
so effing loud?!?!?

Are you insane?... >:(

I think I've found my soul mate.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on July 17, 2015, 09:42:52 am
Here's the Cherry Vanilla makgeolli that I mentioned. A few of you seemed excited so here it is! Really dry and boozy but the cherry adds a certain tartness to it. Really nice. Bottle conditioning in the fridge should tone it down a bit.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Nivea on July 17, 2015, 09:59:31 am
The creepy groundskeeper of my school comes into the main teachers office sometimes for coffee but he stands over my shoulder. Almost always. I hope he can read English as he's standing behind me as I type.   He could easily walk over to the teacher he's talking to. But instead he chooses to stand directly behind me and snort and slurp his coffee and he smells like dirt. When he's not speaking to the teacher he's watching me. Its really uncomfortable.  :sad:
$50 says he's checking out your breasts.


Well its a rare sight in Korea. Anyway I was showing a bunch of middle school classes this American drama and the biggest reaction came when some woman was leaning forward and the camera was shotting down her top. They were all like "oooooohhhhh", even the girls.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 17, 2015, 10:06:56 am
Is it just me, or do people talk to themselves more here?

Seriously wondering. I'm not trying to be a bitch or anything, but I feel like everyone has a constant monologue and it's kind of distracting when I'm trying to work.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: tamjen on July 17, 2015, 10:16:37 am
A rant about the local cops where I live.

I teach an after school class in one elementary school to grade 2 students once a week. There is a Nigerian girl in the class who is a native English speaker but was born here and is perfectly fluent in Korean. I taught her brother 4 years ago in grade 6, he too is fluent and is now in his 1st year of high school..

When I arrived here in early 2011 I met their mother and father, both Nigerians. I saw the mother once or twice but haven't seen either of them for a long time.

I asked the grade 2 Korean teacher how things were with the boy. He was really bright and a nice kid. The teacher told me that life was difficult for them both now because the father has been in Nigeria for 3 years and mom has been in the USA for about the same length of time. They send money to the kids to pay for their rent and food, but the brother is the caretaker of his little sister. There is no adult supervision in their lives and hasn't been for a long time. The boy has been taking care of his sister since she was in Kindergarten.

I was gobsmacked. I asked her if she had called the police. I thought surely this is illegal and something could be done. The teacher told me she had called the police and she was told:

and I quote her, "The police told me there is nothing they can do because they are African children."

Wow! Just freaking wow.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: bluehermione on July 17, 2015, 10:17:49 am
Apparently not only will I be changing schools in the middle of the year, I'll be changing from elementary to middle school. For the three and a half years I've been here so far, I've only ever taught at elementary schools. I have zero experience teaching middle schools, so I don't know why they've chosen me of all people as the person to make this move. I can only assume it was either arbitrary, or they heard I'm good at my job at the elementary school and assume the skills will translate. Even if the former was the impetus, I really hope the latter is true.

Now that my anger and frustration at the situation have had time to simmer down, a bit of nervousness is starting to rise to the top. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say they prefer middle school, and I've heard countless horror stories. My main school will be the largest middle school in the area, so I'll be going from elementary schools with no more than 70 students total, to a school that's probably larger than all the schools I've worked at in the past combined. I'll be going from small class sizes with little kids to large classes with pubescent teens and preteens. Ugh.

Mister Tim, just to offer a bit of encouragement - this is my first year here, and prior to coming I had zero teaching experience and fully expected to teach elementary since I'd heard most middle/high school positions had been cut. Surprise, surprise - I ended up with two middle schools. I was terrified and 95% positive I would be miserable.

Fast forward 5 months later and I love teaching middle school. The kids are so fun. Because they're older, you can connect with them on a different level. In my experience / from what I've heard, middle school NETs get more control over their lessons as well (I view that as a good thing). Granted, I haven't experienced teaching elementary here, but I highly doubt I would enjoy it more than middle school.

Are there the occasional moody, sullen, and rebellious kids? Sure. But IMO they're far better behaved as a general rule than middle schoolers in America. (I know this can depend on the school; however, I was warned before coming here that my school has a reputation for "bad kids," and these kids are seriously some of the sweetest and funniest I've ever met.)

So basically what I'm saying is, don't let it get you too anxious. It will be different and the transition might be rough at first, but it could be a really great change as well!

(Sorry everyone for posting encouragement on the venting thread!  :P)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on July 17, 2015, 10:23:04 am
The last couple days of deskwarming has been hard. Nothing to do, but it's okay, because I'm a problem solver.

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Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: 외계인 on July 17, 2015, 10:27:28 am
Here's the Cherry Vanilla makgeolli that I mentioned. A few of you seemed excited so here it is! Really dry and boozy but the cherry adds a certain tartness to it. Really nice. Bottle conditioning in the fridge should tone it down a bit.

You'll ship me a bottle, right? 
 8)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jomi on July 17, 2015, 11:19:45 am
A rant about the local cops where I live.

I teach an after school class in one elementary school to grade 2 students once a week. There is a Nigerian girl in the class who is a native English speaker but was born here and is perfectly fluent in Korean. I taught her brother 4 years ago in grade 6, he too is fluent and is now in his 1st year of high school..

When I arrived here in early 2011 I met their mother and father, both Nigerians. I saw the mother once or twice but haven't seen either of them for a long time.

I asked the grade 2 Korean teacher how things were with the boy. He was really bright and a nice kid. The teacher told me that life was difficult for them both now because the father has been in Nigeria for 3 years and mom has been in the USA for about the same length of time. They send money to the kids to pay for their rent and food, but the brother is the caretaker of his little sister. There is no adult supervision in their lives and hasn't been for a long time. The boy has been taking care of his sister since she was in Kindergarten.

I was gobsmacked. I asked her if she had called the police. I thought surely this is illegal and something could be done. The teacher told me she had called the police and she was told:

and I quote her, "The police told me there is nothing they can do because they are African children."

Wow! Just freaking wow.

Ok what the f^ck, really? God this makes me want to personally help them. The police is utterly useless here. ******* c***s. Racist pieces of

What the???? How could you abandon your kids in another country ?? How is this not the police's problem??? WHERE IS THE CHILD PROTECTION?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 17, 2015, 11:30:42 am
A rant about the local cops where I live.

I teach an after school class in one elementary school to grade 2 students once a week. There is a Nigerian girl in the class who is a native English speaker but was born here and is perfectly fluent in Korean. I taught her brother 4 years ago in grade 6, he too is fluent and is now in his 1st year of high school..

When I arrived here in early 2011 I met their mother and father, both Nigerians. I saw the mother once or twice but haven't seen either of them for a long time.

I asked the grade 2 Korean teacher how things were with the boy. He was really bright and a nice kid. The teacher told me that life was difficult for them both now because the father has been in Nigeria for 3 years and mom has been in the USA for about the same length of time. They send money to the kids to pay for their rent and food, but the brother is the caretaker of his little sister. There is no adult supervision in their lives and hasn't been for a long time. The boy has been taking care of his sister since she was in Kindergarten.

I was gobsmacked. I asked her if she had called the police. I thought surely this is illegal and something could be done. The teacher told me she had called the police and she was told:

and I quote her, "The police told me there is nothing they can do because they are African children."

Wow! Just freaking wow.

This is horrible. Jesus. Is there any way you can get in touch with the boy? Is there a large Nigerian community in your area that these kids are a part of?

This made me so angry that my scalp itches. Holy shit, I'm furious.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: VanessaR on July 17, 2015, 11:42:03 am
Having to submit a "plan" for what I'll do on my vacation...where will you go? ...what activities will you do there?...who is paying for your vacation?... where did you vacation for the last 2 years and what did you do there?
What I do during my free time and vacation has NOTHING to do with anyone and I don't see the need to officially document it...very big brother

OMG. Seriously????????? I'm so cranky these days and your story makes me second-hand cranky. Jesus.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on July 17, 2015, 11:56:26 am
A rant about the local cops where I live.

I teach an after school class in one elementary school to grade 2 students once a week. There is a Nigerian girl in the class who is a native English speaker but was born here and is perfectly fluent in Korean. I taught her brother 4 years ago in grade 6, he too is fluent and is now in his 1st year of high school..

When I arrived here in early 2011 I met their mother and father, both Nigerians. I saw the mother once or twice but haven't seen either of them for a long time.

I asked the grade 2 Korean teacher how things were with the boy. He was really bright and a nice kid. The teacher told me that life was difficult for them both now because the father has been in Nigeria for 3 years and mom has been in the USA for about the same length of time. They send money to the kids to pay for their rent and food, but the brother is the caretaker of his little sister. There is no adult supervision in their lives and hasn't been for a long time. The boy has been taking care of his sister since she was in Kindergarten.

I was gobsmacked. I asked her if she had called the police. I thought surely this is illegal and something could be done. The teacher told me she had called the police and she was told:

and I quote her, "The police told me there is nothing they can do because they are African children."

Wow! Just freaking wow.

This is horrible. Jesus. Is there any way you can get in touch with the boy? Is there a large Nigerian community in your area that these kids are a part of?

This made me so angry that my scalp itches. Holy shit, I'm furious.

Sad to say, I can believe he said that. However, it could just be something else. Since it's a direct quote, it could just be a misunderstanding. Maybe what you're CT meant was that, since perhaps the kids aren't Korean citizens (I'm guessing), the police's hands are tied.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: VanessaR on July 17, 2015, 11:59:17 am
I've been sharing an office w/ assorted staff since March. I don't like it.

I share an office with 3 dudes and 4 other ladies and it's noisy and annoying and kind of constant. I mean, this is an occupational hazard. From Oct to the end of Feb I just shared w/ the other English teachers, but someone saw it fit to change, which made sence as now there are only two English teachers (including me) instead of four. I'm already kind of annoyed at having to just teach w/ the co-teachers (the only bright side is that I can ditch the terrible book when I see fit) and this just adds to it. I wear headphones, but they can only do so much.

Also, they brush their teeth in the room. We have two sinks and I know teeth-brushing is important here, but it is so freaking disgusting to me. I cannot get used to it. I used to leave the room so I could avoid the foamy party. They also like to talk while their mouths are full of foam. The smell of the toothpaste now triggers me. I just needed to get that out!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: MartinBrez on July 17, 2015, 12:03:33 pm
Quote
Having to submit a "plan" for what I'll do on my vacation...where will you go? ...what activities will you do there?...who is paying for your vacation?... where did you vacation for the last 2 years and what did you do there?
What I do during my free time and vacation has NOTHING to do with anyone and I don't see the need to officially document it...very big brother

OMG. Seriously????????? I'm so cranky these days and your story makes me second-hand cranky. Jesus.

I have a similar tale. Last October, we had a long weekend. I booked flights to Hong Kong, leaving Thursday evening and coming back to Incheon Sunday night. I wanted to see my friend who just moved there, who used to live in Korea. Plus, I'd been to HK before and loved it!

At that time, the democracy protests were taking place. When I asked my co-teacher to leave early on the Thursday, she panicked! The vice-principal then came into my classroom and sat down with my co-teacher and myself. panicking.

Co-T"Martin, there are protests in Hong Kong. It is not safe."

Me "They are peaceful protests. Hong Kong is a very safe city. It's not like Tienanmen Square protests."

VP translated by Co-T "You could get hurt by the protesters. Please let us know where and what you do."

Co-T prints a tourist map of HK.

Co-T "Please mark where you will go".

Me "Why? Hong Kong is safe. I have been before."

I highlighted the protest sites and just marked random attractions away from the protest sites.

VP "Hong Kong is not safe. You should not leave Korea unless it is school vacation."

I was p*ssed off then.

Me "I'm 32 years old. A grown adult. I am responsible and I can look after myself."

Co-T "Please Kakao me when you arrive in Hong Kong and when you arrive in Incheon".

The school agreed to let me leave early as I eventually just told them what they wanted to hear.

FFS, it's not like Koreans have ever taken part in pro-democracy protests!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on July 17, 2015, 12:33:52 pm
you need to distinguish between the EPIK coordinators and the head coordinators of your MOE/POE. it seems like the person you're talking about above is the coordinator for you MOE/POE. they don't work for EPIK. they work for your MOE/POE. EPIK doesn't pay their salary, and has nothing to do with their position.

EPIK is basically a big government recruiting firm that handles the recruitment, training, and to a certain extent, the placement of NETs. EPIK does have coordinators working for them, but what they do is a bit different to what the coordinators at the MOE/POEs do. EPIK doesn't select the MOE/POE coordinators, the MOE/POEs select those themselves.

once you've gone through orientation EPIK really has very little to do with you.

Ok. So if you read the post again then mentally change EPIK coordinator to POE coordinator.

i was simply pointing out the different between the two and you choose to come back with a snide remark.

ok then. how about in future you just use the correct terminology so that it looks like you actually know who your coordinator is instead of like a dumbass who doesn't even know who's in charge of them.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on July 17, 2015, 12:41:32 pm
Quote
Having to submit a "plan" for what I'll do on my vacation...where will you go? ...what activities will you do there?...who is paying for your vacation?... where did you vacation for the last 2 years and what did you do there?
What I do during my free time and vacation has NOTHING to do with anyone and I don't see the need to officially document it...very big brother

OMG. Seriously????????? I'm so cranky these days and your story makes me second-hand cranky. Jesus.

I have a similar tale. Last October, we had a long weekend. I booked flights to Hong Kong, leaving Thursday evening and coming back to Incheon Sunday night. I wanted to see my friend who just moved there, who used to live in Korea. Plus, I'd been to HK before and loved it!

At that time, the democracy protests were taking place. When I asked my co-teacher to leave early on the Thursday, she panicked! The vice-principal then came into my classroom and sat down with my co-teacher and myself. panicking.

Co-T"Martin, there are protests in Hong Kong. It is not safe."

Me "They are peaceful protests. Hong Kong is a very safe city. It's not like Tienanmen Square protests."

VP translated by Co-T "You could get hurt by the protesters. Please let us know where and what you do."

Co-T prints a tourist map of HK.

Co-T "Please mark where you will go".

Me "Why? Hong Kong is safe. I have been before."

I highlighted the protest sites and just marked random attractions away from the protest sites.

VP "Hong Kong is not safe. You should not leave Korea unless it is school vacation."

I was p*ssed off then.

Me "I'm 32 years old. A grown adult. I am responsible and I can look after myself."

Co-T "Please Kakao me when you arrive in Hong Kong and when you arrive in Incheon".

The school agreed to let me leave early as I eventually just told them what they wanted to hear.

FFS, it's not like Koreans have ever taken part in pro-democracy protests!

I've never had to submit a plan for this job. I have had to "ask permission" to my principal in order to go somewhere. I take it that they are trying to include with me the faculty. I was told Korean Public Servants have to ask and get permission from their higher ups . It could be a legacy from the dictatorship of Park the Elder or it could simply be wanting their state workers available should the Norks go mental. After all if the country goes to war we don't want to be without school teachers.

Either way you don't really have to do anything but it's really not worth the hassle of fighting. I recommend you go deep and find the most smug and most condescending part of yourself. Do as they want but treat like you are indulging a 4 year old girl who is playing boss. See it as a sort of cute thing. When your principal "grants" you permission think to yourself: "Bless! It thinks it's people!"

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: tamjen on July 17, 2015, 12:45:20 pm
A rant about the local cops where I live.

I teach an after school class in one elementary school to grade 2 students once a week. There is a Nigerian girl in the class who is a native English speaker but was born here and is perfectly fluent in Korean. I taught her brother 4 years ago in grade 6, he too is fluent and is now in his 1st year of high school..

When I arrived here in early 2011 I met their mother and father, both Nigerians. I saw the mother once or twice but haven't seen either of them for a long time.

I asked the grade 2 Korean teacher how things were with the boy. He was really bright and a nice kid. The teacher told me that life was difficult for them both now because the father has been in Nigeria for 3 years and mom has been in the USA for about the same length of time. They send money to the kids to pay for their rent and food, but the brother is the caretaker of his little sister. There is no adult supervision in their lives and hasn't been for a long time. The boy has been taking care of his sister since she was in Kindergarten.

I was gobsmacked. I asked her if she had called the police. I thought surely this is illegal and something could be done. The teacher told me she had called the police and she was told:

and I quote her, "The police told me there is nothing they can do because they are African children."

Wow! Just freaking wow.

This is horrible. Jesus. Is there any way you can get in touch with the boy? Is there a large Nigerian community in your area that these kids are a part of?

This made me so angry that my scalp itches. Holy shit, I'm furious.

Sad to say, I can believe he said that. However, it could just be something else. Since it's a direct quote, it could just be a misunderstanding. Maybe what you're CT meant was that, since perhaps the kids aren't Korean citizens (I'm guessing), the police's hands are tied.

Perhaps, but I seriously doubt it. We chat a lot and her English is quite good. She's one of those rare breed of Koreans - especially females - who travel alone. last summer vacation she went to China for 2 weeks, this summer she's backpacking around Thailand, Cambodia and Taiwan.

Besides, the girl is a Korean citizen. Born here, never out of the country, her Korean is better than her English and she has a Korean passport. I believe her brother was born in Nigeria.

Nope, for my money the cops don't care because they're black. I would dearly love to be wrong about this, but I fear I am not.

I asked my co-teacher if I could do anything and she said it would be best to stay completely out of it because Korean authorities may lose face. She said it pains her too but she stays completely out of it for the same reason.

Lord God Almighty it just blows my mind.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Pennypie on July 17, 2015, 12:55:48 pm
A rant about the local cops where I live.

I teach an after school class in one elementary school to grade 2 students once a week. There is a Nigerian girl in the class who is a native English speaker but was born here and is perfectly fluent in Korean. I taught her brother 4 years ago in grade 6, he too is fluent and is now in his 1st year of high school..

When I arrived here in early 2011 I met their mother and father, both Nigerians. I saw the mother once or twice but haven't seen either of them for a long time.

I asked the grade 2 Korean teacher how things were with the boy. He was really bright and a nice kid. The teacher told me that life was difficult for them both now because the father has been in Nigeria for 3 years and mom has been in the USA for about the same length of time. They send money to the kids to pay for their rent and food, but the brother is the caretaker of his little sister. There is no adult supervision in their lives and hasn't been for a long time. The boy has been taking care of his sister since she was in Kindergarten.

I was gobsmacked. I asked her if she had called the police. I thought surely this is illegal and something could be done. The teacher told me she had called the police and she was told:

and I quote her, "The police told me there is nothing they can do because they are African children."

Wow! Just freaking wow.

This is horrible. Jesus. Is there any way you can get in touch with the boy? Is there a large Nigerian community in your area that these kids are a part of?

This made me so angry that my scalp itches. Holy shit, I'm furious.

Sad to say, I can believe he said that. However, it could just be something else. Since it's a direct quote, it could just be a misunderstanding. Maybe what you're CT meant was that, since perhaps the kids aren't Korean citizens (I'm guessing), the police's hands are tied.

Perhaps, but I seriously doubt it. We chat a lot and her English is quite good. She's one of those rare breed of Koreans - especially females - who travel alone. last summer vacation she went to China for 2 weeks, this summer she's backpacking around Thailand, Cambodia and Taiwan.

Besides, the girl is a Korean citizen. Born here, never out of the country, her Korean is better than her English and she has a Korean passport. I believe her brother was born in Nigeria.

Nope, for my money the cops don't care because they're black. I would dearly love to be wrong about this, but I fear I am not.

I asked my co-teacher if I could do anything and she said it would be best to stay completely out of it because Korean authorities may lose face. She said it pains her too but she stays completely out of it for the same reason.

Lord God Almighty it just blows my mind.

I don't understand how the girl can be a Korean citizen, I thought just being born here wasn't enough and you had to be born to a Korean parent?

I think you should make a big fuss about it, because they deserve to lose face. Keep contacting the police, ask every Korean you know to do it.

The police are dicks :/ It doesn't even matter if they are citizens they should at least attempt to contact the parents.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mezoti97 on July 17, 2015, 04:02:48 pm
Besides, the girl is a Korean citizen. Born here, never out of the country, her Korean is better than her English and she has a Korean passport. I believe her brother was born in Nigeria.

I don't understand how the girl can be a Korean citizen, I thought just being born here wasn't enough and you had to be born to a Korean parent?


Yeah, are you sure this Nigerian girl is a Korean citizen? I believe in terms of granting citizenship at birth, Korea follows jus sanguinis, i.e. your citizenship is inherited/based on your parents' citizenship and not based on your birthplace. Since both her parents are Nigerian, I don't see how she could have acquired Korean citizenship, despite that she was born in Korea since being born in Korea doesn't automatically make you a Korean citizen.

Regardless, her (and her brother's) situation sounds unfortunate. I wish there was something that could be done to help her and her brother.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: tamjen on July 17, 2015, 08:39:48 pm
Besides, the girl is a Korean citizen. Born here, never out of the country, her Korean is better than her English and she has a Korean passport. I believe her brother was born in Nigeria.

I don't understand how the girl can be a Korean citizen, I thought just being born here wasn't enough and you had to be born to a Korean parent?


Yeah, are you sure this Nigerian girl is a Korean citizen? I believe in terms of granting citizenship at birth, Korea follows jus sanguinis, i.e. your citizenship is inherited/based on your parents' citizenship and not based on your birthplace. Since both her parents are Nigerian, I don't see how she could have acquired Korean citizenship, despite that she was born in Korea since being born in Korea doesn't automatically make you a Korean citizen.

Regardless, her (and her brother's) situation sounds unfortunate. I wish there was something that could be done to help her and her brother.

Well, I could be wrong about the Korean citizenship thing. The girl tells me she's Korean and has a Korean passport, but she's 7 years old. It's quite possible she's mistaken and simply repeating what her parents told her.

However, that's not germane to the point is it. What we have is a 16 year old boy and a 7 year old girl. The boy is 100% responsible for both of their welfare and has been for years, The cops know and don't care.

Korea...Sparkling.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: phantomemma on July 17, 2015, 09:10:24 pm
Is it just me, or do people talk to themselves more here?

Seriously wondering. I'm not trying to be a bitch or anything, but I feel like everyone has a constant monologue and it's kind of distracting when I'm trying to work.

I've wondered the same thing. It seems like people just going about their daily business do a lot of talking to no one in particular. Never noticed this in any other country..
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: pokute on July 17, 2015, 11:48:56 pm
Ok so as a very sensitive person who isn't made for the teaching environment I have to say that I'm exhausted by the regular lack of discipline and abundance of chaos at school.  I'm on my last contract and I'm fortunate that in my very rural area the teachers and kids are pretty down to earth...but you know it's just the moderate and smaller things that actually get to me... like one of the day care teachers just screams at the kids all the time when I'm with them and generally I believe it makes it worse.  That's actually a big deal.  There's a lot of control issues and interruptions and it's draining and stressful.  People come and go as they please in the middle of class, both students and teachers.   my observation is that some people exercise the same behavior in school as they do outside, which is a lack of consideration and awareness of boundaries. 

Again, my school doesn't have its own English classroom so I go back and forth to all the homerooms to teach the kids.  Today the 2nd grade teacher (also head teacher) was yelling at one of his students from the window while I'm trying to concentrate on teaching in the same room....the thing is I think he just has no clue how wrong this situation is in terms of productivity and respect...

Another peeve right now is there is no awareness regarding noise level inside a building.   I know it's a usual thing but it's just so wrong in my book... and especially since my work space is in the library, not a separate office or English classroom, students just use it as another playground.   

...etc

... I'm just....tired of dealing.  :blank:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 20, 2015, 07:53:17 am
Has anyone ever noticed that, for the most part, in every school the classrooms are always on the same side of the hallway? In all the schools the classrooms always face south. Is there a reason for that?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on July 20, 2015, 08:08:54 am
Has anyone ever noticed that, for the most part, in every school the classrooms are always on the same side of the hallway? In all the schools the classrooms always face south. Is there a reason for that?

All my classrooms face west. But yes, all the corridors are on the same side in all the buildings.

I would suggest that a southern facing residence is usually more desirable as it catches more sun and more light (although eesh.. hot in the summer). Maybe that's the same reasoning for the schools you've been to.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: AndyKanerva on July 20, 2015, 09:54:49 am
Is it just me, or do people talk to themselves more here?

Seriously wondering. I'm not trying to be a bitch or anything, but I feel like everyone has a constant monologue and it's kind of distracting when I'm trying to work.

I've wondered the same thing. It seems like people just going about their daily business do a lot of talking to no one in particular. Never noticed this in any other country..
I've noticed this in Korea but it was not shocking to me as we have who are called 'mutterers' back home. I don't mean it to come off as a joke at the expense of those suffering from mental illnesses, but when your city has a mental health situation as unique as Toronto's, you become very accustomed to it and much less sensitive about it. In T.O. there are major mental health facilities (CAMH most notably) smack dab in the middle of some of the most major parts of the city (Queen West and Spadina and College, near U of T campus). These buildings deal with addiction and mental health and offer incredible services although they also allow residents a lot of 'free time,' which unfortunately, as a resident of both these parts of town, can be quite dangerous. Ergo, we had a lot of mutterers (also someone pooped on my back porch once).
Also, a little rant for the day. I hate that my school's English head will pull me away from my work to have little meetings with the other staff. At these meetings my eyes glaze over as I get tired of trying to understand middle aged lady Korean (lots of silly inflections and expressions like 'OKAIIIIIIIIIY'). Then, we leave and I sit at my desk and she just tells me what everyone said. Usually it doesn't relate to me in the slightest. I waste 1 hour of precious internet time.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: MartinBrez on July 20, 2015, 10:11:37 am
I hate getting dragged into meetings. I don't understand what is happening.

I try to explain to my co-teacher that I need this hour to do work. I tried to explain the concept of working smarter, not harder. Then again, this is Korea.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on July 20, 2015, 10:18:09 am
With regards to the mumblers. I have seen more here but I have also seen a huge amount of vocalisation of random stuff here. Most acute in winter when they seem to have some inability to observe that it's cold quietly.

It's one of the little joys of living here. What would normally be diagnosed pathologies are common behaviour here. It gives the place a bit of an acid trip feel to it.

I'm still not sure if this place needs narcotics more than anything else or if availability of drugs would change this place into an apocalyptic mess.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on July 20, 2015, 10:22:25 am
Has anyone ever noticed that, for the most part, in every school the classrooms are always on the same side of the hallway? In all the schools the classrooms always face south. Is there a reason for that?

All my classrooms face west. But yes, all the corridors are on the same side in all the buildings.

I would suggest that a southern facing residence is usually more desirable as it catches more sun and more light (although eesh.. hot in the summer). Maybe that's the same reasoning for the schools you've been to.

It's one of the little joys of living here. What would normally be diagnosed pathologies are common behaviour here. It gives the place a bit of an acid trip feel to it.

I'm still not sure if this place needs narcotics more than anything else or if availability of drugs would change this place into an apocalyptic mess.

can you imagine if cocaine was easily available here? every salaryman would be constantly jacked up on it all the time to help them 'work'.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 20, 2015, 11:10:51 am
Is it just me, or do people talk to themselves more here?

Seriously wondering. I'm not trying to be a bitch or anything, but I feel like everyone has a constant monologue and it's kind of distracting when I'm trying to work.

I've wondered the same thing. It seems like people just going about their daily business do a lot of talking to no one in particular. Never noticed this in any other country..
I've noticed this in Korea but it was not shocking to me as we have who are called 'mutterers' back home. I don't mean it to come off as a joke at the expense of those suffering from mental illnesses, but when your city has a mental health situation as unique as Toronto's, you become very accustomed to it and much less sensitive about it. In T.O. there are major mental health facilities (CAMH most notably) smack dab in the middle of some of the most major parts of the city (Queen West and Spadina and College, near U of T campus). These buildings deal with addiction and mental health and offer incredible services although they also allow residents a lot of 'free time,' which unfortunately, as a resident of both these parts of town, can be quite dangerous. Ergo, we had a lot of mutterers (also someone pooped on my back porch once).

I lived in Toronto for five years, so yeah. Maybe that's why it bothers me so much- I expect some really messed-up stuff to happen when I hear it!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Pennypie on July 20, 2015, 11:18:36 am
Most acute in winter when they seem to have some inability to observe that it's cold quietly.

As a Brit, I also have this problem. I talk about the weather at least once or twice a day.  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on July 20, 2015, 11:40:59 am
Most acute in winter when they seem to have some inability to observe that it's cold quietly.

As a Brit, I also have this problem. I talk about the weather at least once or twice a day.  :laugh: :laugh:

Slightly different. The weather chat comes from our congenital terror at the idea of having to bond with strangers over something real.

The cold think is what I call the "chua" song. In winter, whenever Koreans experience a temperature change they chirp like robins. It doesn't matter if they are leaving or entering a cold area, if there is someone they know around or if there is someone there at all. In my village I have had the joy of seeing people start the Chua Song when they were seemingly alone and unaware of my presence.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 20, 2015, 11:42:52 am
My evil coteacher's petty aggression for last Friday's classes was to be constantly sharpening pencils, distracting the students, for the whole 120-minute afterschool period.

I have since replaced the regular pencil sharpener with one of those mini ones kids keep in their pencil boxes. It is quiet and gets shavings EVERYWHERE, including on one's ugly out-of-season green jacket.

 :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on July 20, 2015, 12:02:54 pm
The cold think is what I call the "chua" song. In winter, whenever Koreans experience a temperature change they chirp like robins. It doesn't matter if they are leaving or entering a cold area, if there is someone they know around or if there is someone there at all. In my village I have had the joy of seeing people start the Chua Song when they were seemingly alone and unaware of my presence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBCpVqQUDIY
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: tamjen on July 20, 2015, 08:15:44 pm
Has anyone ever noticed that, for the most part, in every school the classrooms are always on the same side of the hallway? In all the schools the classrooms always face south. Is there a reason for that?

All my classrooms face west. But yes, all the corridors are on the same side in all the buildings.

I would suggest that a southern facing residence is usually more desirable as it catches more sun and more light (although eesh.. hot in the summer). Maybe that's the same reasoning for the schools you've been to.

It's one of the little joys of living here. What would normally be diagnosed pathologies are common behaviour here. It gives the place a bit of an acid trip feel to it.

I'm still not sure if this place needs narcotics more than anything else or if availability of drugs would change this place into an apocalyptic mess.

can you imagine if cocaine was easily available here? every salaryman would be constantly jacked up on it all the time to help them 'work'.

Can you imagine the work that they'd gone done! Not!!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: waygo0k on July 20, 2015, 09:01:28 pm
They already have a decent substitute in soju...and look at how much that is abused over here.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on July 21, 2015, 07:40:14 am
I think we are on to something. What you need is to link the drugs with the Korean social category.

Bosses: Weed and possibly opium. They need to relax and look relaxed. Money's being made, heads are being bowed, respect is being paid lip service to. All is good in the world. Just show mid morning, check that all is spinning well and scoot of at 3. Maybe spend the rest of the afternoon enjoying that view of the Han in their overpriced apartment. Take the Porsche Cayenne for a spin on country roads. All is good is the world.

Salary drones. Coke but with the caveat that they follow the chilled out bosses' orders. They would stay less long but would actually get something done. No one is going to be content chatting idly on Kakao and killing time when they have a sniff of Colombian. It will be necessary to issue temazepams at 5 when they are sent home.

Students: Acid and lots of it before it's too late. Anyone older would be either a waste of time or just give them a very bad trip.

People who care about Dokdo: Ebeneezer Goode.

Good ol' horking, racist, wife-beating ajoshis: Paco, Krokodil, stepped-on heroin. The nastier the better. Anything that takes them to the grave fast.

The one thing that must never appear on these shores is meth. It's cheap, low-rent, nasty and purely chemical. It's basically a more portable version of soju. They would go nuts on it. The country would be devastated
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mezoti97 on July 21, 2015, 07:44:56 am
Well, I could be wrong about the Korean citizenship thing. The girl tells me she's Korean and has a Korean passport, but she's 7 years old. It's quite possible she's mistaken and simply repeating what her parents told her.

However, that's not germane to the point is it. What we have is a 16 year old boy and a 7 year old girl. The boy is 100% responsible for both of their welfare and has been for years, The cops know and don't care.

Yeah, that's why I also wrote in my previous post "Regardless, her (and her brother's) situation sounds unfortunate. I wish there was something that could be done to help her and her brother."
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 21, 2015, 07:54:02 am
The one thing that must never appear on these shores is meth. It's cheap, low-rent, nasty and purely chemical. It's basically a more portable version of soju. They would go nuts on it. The country would be devastated

Oh, I don't know. It's done wonders for the productivity of North Korea!

Weed is ironically not illegal.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Pennypie on July 21, 2015, 09:18:02 am
DESKWARMING  >:( >:( WHY!

My co-workers have set up a little beauty station and are painting each others nails. I am watching movies on Netflix and playing online games. Just why.....why why why why why why. It's something I'll never understand.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on July 21, 2015, 10:49:12 am
It's vacation time. The school staff trip is setting off in an hour and you would think that we are about to invade the French coast. Phones ringing on the hook, people running all over the place, sighs, tuts and utter signs of stress aplenty. It's great fun for me.

Twice today I was asked if I was busy so twice today I got to smugly point out that next week's camp was planned and ready over a month ago. The kids could show up right now and I would be fine. Maybe, just maybe if they actually did something at work instead of faffing about with fruits, gossiping, online shopping and sucking up to the higher ups they would not be desperately trying to wrap up in a hurry what they had eons to do.

Time is linear, beloved Korean brethren. Start getting used to the concept.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 21, 2015, 10:52:26 am
Time is linear, beloved Korean brethren. Start getting used to the concept.

You mean, like an arrow?  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I know exactly what you mean. Everyone is pooping their pants crazy at my school right now and I'm just, like, what? Oh, that's been finished for weeks.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: tamjen on July 21, 2015, 11:24:33 am
Well, I could be wrong about the Korean citizenship thing. The girl tells me she's Korean and has a Korean passport, but she's 7 years old. It's quite possible she's mistaken and simply repeating what her parents told her.

However, that's not germane to the point is it. What we have is a 16 year old boy and a 7 year old girl. The boy is 100% responsible for both of their welfare and has been for years, The cops know and don't care.

Yeah, that's why I also wrote in my previous post "Regardless, her (and her brother's) situation sounds unfortunate. I wish there was something that could be done to help her and her brother."

I wish I could do something as well, but I know Korean society fairly well, I've been here 5 1/2 years. When I am told it's best not to get involved, I don't get involved. Sadly, it is the right thing to do in this society.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 21, 2015, 11:42:43 am
Seriously though, why is everyone so busy right now?

because THEY AIN'T DONE SH*T ALL YEAR~

Sorry, but truth.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on July 21, 2015, 11:52:42 am
Time is linear, beloved Korean brethren. Start getting used to the concept.

You mean, like an arrow?  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I know exactly what you mean. Everyone is pooping their pants crazy at my school right now and I'm just, like, what? Oh, that's been finished for weeks.

It's like a spear that comes out of your chest. They're like workers, assigned to each of us.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: orionchocopie on July 21, 2015, 12:03:27 pm
kevingrabb - I want that breakfast in your photo!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on July 21, 2015, 12:05:25 pm
kevingrabb - I want that breakfast in your photo!!!

I ain't even gay, but I'd have Jake Gyllenhaal for breakfast.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: orionchocopie on July 21, 2015, 12:20:03 pm
I don't even
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: bagel on July 21, 2015, 12:21:24 pm
Seriously though, why is everyone so busy right now?

because THEY AIN'T DONE SH*T ALL YEAR~

Sorry, but truth.

Is it just like grading and stuff? I see my co teacher doing all this stuff on her computer that looks really complicated and its all in korean and she's been sitting at her desk during all our classes (leaving me to fend for myself), working on this stuff and she looks SO busy but good lord what the hell could you be doing?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jeffmcwill on July 21, 2015, 12:22:05 pm

The one thing that must never appear on these shores is meth. It's cheap, low-rent, nasty and purely chemical. It's basically a more portable version of soju. They would go nuts on it. The country would be devastated
Surprisingly, it's already here...

It's call Philopon and was originally developed in Japan.

Please don't tell my coworkers; they're already mental!

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: AndyKanerva on July 21, 2015, 12:22:41 pm
Seriously though, why is everyone so busy right now?

because THEY AIN'T DONE SH*T ALL YEAR~

Sorry, but truth.

Is it just like grading and stuff? I see my co teacher doing all this stuff on her computer that looks really complicated and its all in korean and she's been sitting at her desk during all our classes (leaving me to fend for myself), working on this stuff and she looks SO busy but good lord what the hell could you be doing?
She's busy looking busy. Remember that in Korea appearance is number one.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on July 21, 2015, 12:35:41 pm
Seriously though, why is everyone so busy right now?

because THEY AIN'T DONE SH*T ALL YEAR~

Sorry, but truth.

Is it just like grading and stuff? I see my co teacher doing all this stuff on her computer that looks really complicated and its all in korean and she's been sitting at her desk during all our classes (leaving me to fend for myself), working on this stuff and she looks SO busy but good lord what the hell could you be doing?
She's busy looking busy. Remember that in Korea appearance is number one.
MINE DOES THIS TOO. In between her naps of course :laugh:

Nothing wrong with the occasional desk nap...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on July 21, 2015, 12:44:42 pm
Seriously though, why is everyone so busy right now?

because THEY AIN'T DONE SH*T ALL YEAR~

Sorry, but truth.

Is it just like grading and stuff? I see my co teacher doing all this stuff on her computer that looks really complicated and its all in korean and she's been sitting at her desk during all our classes (leaving me to fend for myself), working on this stuff and she looks SO busy but good lord what the hell could you be doing?
She's busy looking busy. Remember that in Korea appearance is number one.
MINE DOES THIS TOO. In between her naps of course :laugh:

Nothing wrong with the occasional desk nap...

True, true. I'll take one too occasionally. But hers are like full fledged I'm gonna grab a blanket and go lay down on the couch and turn all the lights off and don't disturb me for 1.5 hours type nape

aahhhhh... that sounds glorious
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: orionchocopie on July 21, 2015, 12:45:27 pm
Quote
Also these horseflies are really getting on my nerves. I've never seen this many horseflies in America... why are there like four flying around my desk at any given time? And they're in the bathrooms and the cafeteria and they're in the public buses and the convenience stores..what's the issue
There are no horses here to hunt them and keep the population down.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: lee233 on July 21, 2015, 01:51:44 pm
Yesterday I had to stop two first grade middle school boys from molesting a donkey. I can honestly say with all of my experiences here I never thought I would have to add that to my my "What the @#$%" list. I think I am going out to get drunk tonight to try and forget that summer camp  :sad:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 21, 2015, 03:07:13 pm
Yesterday I had to stop two first grade middle school boys from molesting a donkey. I can honestly say with all of my experiences here I never thought I would have to add that to my my "What the @#$%" list. I think I am going out to get drunk tonight to try and forget that summer camp  :sad:

Details, please.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: AndyKanerva on July 21, 2015, 03:18:35 pm
The English department head at my school has a serious attitude problem. She's got a huge stick up her arse and loves bossing everyone around. Despite her having terrible spelling and grammar, she constantly criticizes the way I speak (I speak relatively quickly sometimes), going so far as to barge into my classes and tell me off in front of my students.
I absolutely hate her with all my being.
Today we were planning the summer camp, and as I was preparing a PPT she sat down in my office to initiate a meeting with the other teachers involved. Seeing as I clearly wasn't needed for the inevitable 30 minutes of constant reiteration that seems to accompany group meetings in Korea, I kept working on my ppt. The bitch slapped my arm to get my attention and just said 'ANDY TEACHER you have to be in the meeting!' Like, chill you loser. Then during the meeting she asked me a very open ended question like, 'what will you do?' So I replied, 'with what?' and she became irate and said 'what PPTs will you make for the camp!?' and made that 'ashhhhhhhheeee' sound.
The only comfort I've found is that nearly every other teacher sees through her bullshit and doesn't like her. She dampens the whole teaching experience which is a shame because every other aspect of it has been wonderful.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: taingray on July 21, 2015, 03:26:14 pm
I just sat through a meeting with my super timid co-teacher during which she just sat there and went, "Hmm... hmmm.... hmmm" in her super soft timid little voice for 45 minutes instead of responding to my suggestions for our lesson tomorrow. Every 10 minutes or so she'd add "OK then, I'll think of some activity and let you know" and then proceed to go "hmmm... hmmm..." instead of getting the f*** out of my office.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: iseya on July 21, 2015, 03:27:40 pm
A rant about the local cops where I live.

I teach an after school class in one elementary school to grade 2 students once a week. There is a Nigerian girl in the class who is a native English speaker but was born here and is perfectly fluent in Korean. I taught her brother 4 years ago in grade 6, he too is fluent and is now in his 1st year of high school..

When I arrived here in early 2011 I met their mother and father, both Nigerians. I saw the mother once or twice but haven't seen either of them for a long time.

I asked the grade 2 Korean teacher how things were with the boy. He was really bright and a nice kid. The teacher told me that life was difficult for them both now because the father has been in Nigeria for 3 years and mom has been in the USA for about the same length of time. They send money to the kids to pay for their rent and food, but the brother is the caretaker of his little sister. There is no adult supervision in their lives and hasn't been for a long time. The boy has been taking care of his sister since she was in Kindergarten.

I was gobsmacked. I asked her if she had called the police. I thought surely this is illegal and something could be done. The teacher told me she had called the police and she was told:

and I quote her, "The police told me there is nothing they can do because they are African children."

Wow! Just freaking wow.

I feel bad that the kids are stuck in a less than ideal situation, but, let's try to look at all sides of this.
What exactly do you think the police should do?   If this were some other multi-cultural society, the obvious answer would be for the state to take the kids and find them a foster home to make sure that they were taken care of.  Let's be real, what Korean family is taking in 2 Nigerian children? (one being a 16 year old male) 
If the police were to seriously get involved, my thinking would be that they'd likely want to just deport them back to Nigeria. 
They have both lived here for most of their life, and they speak the language, know the culture, they're better off here at this point. 

The parents are working in separate countries sending money to them because they can't find jobs here that would a support a family. I'd say that they obviously care and are trying to do what they can, and doing what they think is best for the kids.  Seems like they may have better life opportunities in Korea than they do back in Nigeria. I'm sure this wasn't their plan, and the argument could be made that they shouldn't of had kids if they couldn't afford them, but this is the reality of the situation.

I'm not calling your co-teacher a liar or anything, but I do question exactly how much she knows about their situation.  Is this 16 year old boy really divulging all of this information to her? (or even the girl?)   Have both parents been gone for an entire 3+ years? Never came back to visit?  There is no other family member, friend, adult around at all?  How do these kids enroll in school every year? go from elementary to middle school? What do they do when they're sick?

If the brother has been taking care of them for this long, it honestly probably is best to let them be.  They're both in school, and seem to be healthy. 
I'm not trying to sound callous or anything, but I've seen situations just like this before--they don't have easy fixes, and the parents aren't all necessarily bad ones.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: lee233 on July 21, 2015, 04:16:12 pm
Yesterday I had to stop two first grade middle school boys from molesting a donkey. I can honestly say with all of my experiences here I never thought I would have to add that to my my "What the @#$%" list. I think I am going out to get drunk tonight to try and forget that summer camp  :sad:

Details, please.

I did an overnight summer camp with one of my middle schools. It was set up at a retreat area that happened to have a donkey along with a couple of other animals. Several of my students were curious about the donkey and kept on talking about how big his "pepper" was. Honestly I thought they were just being immature middle schoolers like we all have been. Then, shortly before we were to leave, I looked out to see two of my male students poking and smacking at the donkey's "pepper". I immediately yelled at them to stop and asked them what they thought they were doing. They responded by laughing and saying they wanted to make it bigger.......guess that makes it okay. :rolleyes:

Whatever, I am out of here in August and only have to see those kids two more times.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: iseya on July 21, 2015, 04:21:34 pm
Since this is a ranting thread, my (korean) boyfriend insists on lying to his entire family throughout the entire duration of our relationship that we live together, until we get married. How much of this is cultural and how much is it him just being a coward? I'm so pissed right now. He said if he is honest with his family that we live together/will live together, they'll like disown him. Which I seriously doubt. His family's pretty modern. How hard is it to tell your family that you're an GROWN MAN and you make your own freaking decisions? How long are u comfortable with lying? Jesus Christ.

Girl, I feel you. Im in a similar situation, except if his fam says he can't marry me he wont... His family is quite traditional. We've only been dating a year, but he's all over my facebook so my entire family knows, and should. I know its Korean culture to not really discuss it with fam sometimes unless marriage is in the cards. But like if our relationship has an expiry date I dunno.
My bfs parents pay for everything. They paid for his uni, hagwon, and expenses when he lived overseas. They give him pocket money every month, buy him clothes, a new bicycle and doesn't need to get a part time job or anything until he finally gets this job hes been preparing for (which he's already failed the test for 3 times). They have him wrapped right around their money finger. I wish my family could/would do that! "That is Korean culture" ya,ya.
I love him to death.So much that I would consider marrying him. But he says if they say no he CAN'T because they would essentially cut him out of the fam. He's the oldest son, blah blah blah. 
I know its frustrating. You are not alone.

I've been here myself ladies, and I don't want to defend it, but I think it really is a culture thing. I wish it was as easy to tell them to "man/woman up", but it goes a lot deeper than them just being 'cowards'.  It's not at all enviable position, and we, as Westerners don't have the same consequences that many of them would have for the same situation. 

It is totally normal for a Korean male or female to get spending money from their parents well into their 20's. Their parents buy them everything, so the 'children' are dependent on them for a good long while.
I had a gf that had to do lie to her parents about us as well. She didn't want to do it, but what's the alternative?   She lives with them, and is living off of them.
With the way the system is set up in Korea, it seems like it's difficult to do many things on your own when you're young.  So unless she/he is 100% set on marrying you, giving up their family and future security is a huge risk to ask someone to take.

And family here just seems different in Korea. Families are close everywhere in the world, of course..but here...it's on another level. The amount of girls I've met that act like their Mom is their bff is..just..wow.  Koreans are in constant communication with their family...they spend their weekends and holidays with their parents...go on weekend trips with their family..travel abroad with their family...etc,etc.
I don't think it's the same as what most of us are used to.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 21, 2015, 04:29:23 pm
Yesterday I had to stop two first grade middle school boys from molesting a donkey. I can honestly say with all of my experiences here I never thought I would have to add that to my my "What the @#$%" list. I think I am going out to get drunk tonight to try and forget that summer camp  :sad:

Details, please.

I did an overnight summer camp with one of my middle schools. It was set up at a retreat area that happened to have a donkey along with a couple of other animals. Several of my students were curious about the donkey and kept on talking about how big his "pepper" was. Honestly I thought they were just being immature middle schoolers like we all have been. Then, shortly before we were to leave, I looked out to see two of my male students poking and smacking at the donkey's "pepper". I immediately yelled at them to stop and asked them what they thought they were doing. They responded by laughing and saying they wanted to make it bigger.......guess that makes it okay. :rolleyes:

Whatever, I am out of here in August and only have to see those kids two more times.

I am dying. I seriously have mascara tracks on my face because I am laughing so hard at this that I'm weeping.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 22, 2015, 01:49:27 pm
ME: I want to do (this craft: http://www.waygook.org/index.php/topic,89233.msg563090/topicseen.html#new), but I need to check Daiso first and make sure I can find the little plastic squeeze bottles.

CT: They can just bring them from home.

ME: Oh, okay. Are they common in Korea?

CT: After drinking Coke or cider, of course.

ME: Oh, no, I meant the small bottles, the "fish."

CT: THEY CAN BRING FROM HOME.


Holy jeez, fine. Control your fingers, please. Ten to one says that she forgets to mention it to the parents, anyways.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 22, 2015, 02:15:22 pm
ME: I want to do (this craft: http://www.waygook.org/index.php/topic,89233.msg563090/topicseen.html#new), but I need to check Daiso first and make sure I can find the little plastic squeeze bottles.

CT: They can just bring them from home.

ME: Oh, okay. Are they common in Korea?

CT: After drinking Coke or cider, of course.

ME: Oh, no, I meant the small bottles, the "fish."

CT: THEY CAN BRING FROM HOME.


Holy jeez, fine. Control your fingers, please. Ten to one says that she forgets to mention it to the parents, anyways.

Lol what an idiot

I'm not making fun of her English (I swear), I just wish she didn't talk to me like that.
>:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 22, 2015, 02:44:27 pm
ME: I want to do (this craft: http://www.waygook.org/index.php/topic,89233.msg563090/topicseen.html#new), but I need to check Daiso first and make sure I can find the little plastic squeeze bottles.

CT: They can just bring them from home.

ME: Oh, okay. Are they common in Korea?

CT: After drinking Coke or cider, of course.

ME: Oh, no, I meant the small bottles, the "fish."

CT: THEY CAN BRING FROM HOME.


Holy jeez, fine. Control your fingers, please. Ten to one says that she forgets to mention it to the parents, anyways.

Lol what an idiot

I'm not making fun of her English (I swear), I just wish she didn't talk to me like that.
>:(

Oh no I know, it's just really annoying when they completely assume they already know what you said, or were going to say, instead of actually listening to you. It's not always a language thing, it's just that they don't listen. My co teacher does this all the time

Yeah, I know what you mean. I can never tell if it's arrogance, distraction, or they just genuinely do not give a shirt about communicating, but it drives me CRAZY.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Schellib39 on July 22, 2015, 02:50:41 pm
So it's happened again. Months ago the Korean teachers actually asked me about and gave me three options for our annual "2 day, 1 night" trip. tbh I couldn't care less where we go and what we do. Show up smile and pretend you're having the time of your life. In the end, you hit the piss with the teachers and have lots of good food all on the school's tab. What's to complain about right?

Well after asking me about my preferences months ago, we have this conversation today:

KT: Are you looking forward to the trip this Friday.

Me: What trip?

KT: The 2 day, 1 night trip with all of the teachers.

Me: I didn't know it was this week/weekend, no one ever confirmed the dates with me.

KT: ................... . So are you ready to go on Friday?

Me: :shocked: :undecided: :evil: :huh: :rolleyes:

But for some reason, things like these don't surprise me / anger me so much after having dealt with the same situation, regularly, during the past 6 years.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on July 22, 2015, 03:09:28 pm
So not only will I be switching from elementary schools to middle schools after summer break, I'll actually have to come back to the schools I currently teach at for six working days after vacation, then transfer to the new schools on a Tuesday.

And no, those six working days won't be deskwarming. I'll have to teach, which means planning a week's worth of materials for chapters I'm not even going to stick around long enough to finish. Not just chapters I won't finish though. Books I won't finish. GRADE LEVELS I won't finish. I'll be starting a completely new set of grades/student levels, on a f*cking TUESDAY, after one last week of elementary.

I asked why.

"Teachers transfer on September 1st."

"But what if the semester starts before that?"

"Teachers transfer on September 1st."

"But my contract period is March-February, not September-August."

"Teachers transfer on September 1st."

"But the teacher I'm replacing is leaving August 24th. The school won't have an English teacher for a week."

"Teachers transfer on September 1st."

"Why can't they just make an exception when the situation calls for it?"

"Teachers transfer on September 1st."


Never before have I so regretted my decision to stop drinking.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on July 22, 2015, 03:23:17 pm
Yeah I love the "I;m just going to ignore anything you say, and repeat myself util." Answers.

I have a CT that doesn't communicate with me at all, take any of my advice, shoots down any Idea I have ever had, etc etc etc etc etc...

She is terrible at teaching, is so scatter brained she can't even tell whats going in her own class, or maybe even her own life.

Constantly complaining about how busy, uses the "they are children" bs.... acts like the kinds are in kindercare.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on July 22, 2015, 03:25:34 pm
also, the CT that constantly tries to read what I am typing on my computer when she walks by, and is nosey about everything....


She is trying to read this right now...

usually I just minimize, swivel in the chair, and stare at her, establish dominance...

we'll see how this goes... hahahahahha....
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on July 22, 2015, 03:33:56 pm
sounds like a good time to have 'English movie appreciation week' ;)

anyway my rant for today .... why the hell are the bathrooms so damn wet all the time? whenever they're cleaned there's just water sloshed everywhere. and even when they're not cleaned, there's always HUGE puddles of water near the sinks. how do these kids manage to get more water outside the sink than in it?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: MartinBrez on July 22, 2015, 03:37:45 pm
For Monday, my co-teacher has asked me to go to E-Mart (E-Mart and only E-Mart) in my free time and take pictures and costs of the materials and ingredients I need for my summer camp by Monday. So that she can buy what I need by herself.

Why don't I write a list of what I need with approximate costs? We can then go one afternoon during desk-warming next week. She is lucky that I need to go food shopping and E-Mart is the closest store to me.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Imogen1991 on July 22, 2015, 03:50:01 pm
i found out today i have 0 budget for 2 camps. absolutley 0
looks like  that will be coming out of my own pocket then  :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 22, 2015, 04:25:50 pm
i found out today i have 0 budget for 2 camps. absolutley 0
looks like  that will be coming out of my own pocket then  :cry:

Ditto.

But at least the "no money" lie works in my favor for once- I only work 22 hours during camp this time instead of the usual 35!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: purpleradish on July 22, 2015, 04:47:30 pm
i found out today i have 0 budget for 2 camps. absolutley 0
looks like  that will be coming out of my own pocket then  :cry:

Don't pay! This is a ranting/venting thread, so I can say that it irks me when teachers buy their own materials, particularly for complicated projects. It's not like we're made of money! Have the kids do lame coloring exercises or watch movies. It's not OUR responsibility to pay for materials to make up for the school's inappropriate budgeting.

Simple: the kids will give bad reviews that the projects were lame and they won't sign up again for winter camp. The school will need the income, and will have to allocate budget to camps.

One of my coworkers says that she has spent thousands over the years on supplies, candy, etc. That just demonstrates a) a lack of creativity to think of crafts using materials available, and b) being a doormat, plain and simple.

Fight for that budget! Review your lame, lackluster lesson plans with your coteacher and maker her go up the chain to request extra funding. There must be some MT weekend they can cancel to give you guys some extra cash.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: iseya on July 22, 2015, 05:12:46 pm
So I go to the gym early this afternoon to get my swole on...I walk in, feeling good and ready to go..I open the door to the locker room, start undressing...and as I'm undressing, I notice the coat rack in the corner and some drops of water at its base.  This coat rack has about 3 pairs of moist, dirty drawers, and like 2 pairs of socks hanging off the little hook nob thingies. 
WTF, man? 
I've hung my coat on this coat rack in the past when it was cooler. And you go and taint it with ball and ass sweat??

After my work out, I come back into the locker room, and the first vision Im greeted with is a butt-naked guy with his foot up on the counter, drying his toes with a blowdryer--(which he then later used on his balls)
Im no prude about nudity, but jc, man..save something for home.

And then there's nothing like listening to guys hock loogies IN the public shower as Im changing. 
A few of the guys that I'm somewhat friendly with there always ask me why I don't shower at the gym after my workouts...and that is why, it is public enemy #1. I do not want to bathe in your snot rockets.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: sweetkat on July 23, 2015, 07:16:32 am
I've known since December that my position has been cut.  Not a positive morale booster in and of itself.
Then in March I get a control freak coteacher, lazy as ass but rejects all ideas I have as stupid..to the point she calls the office of education to get verification that my ideas are stupid .  meanwhile the VP at my other school, promoted from english teacher, loves my ideas.

She doesn't communicate, doesn't put in any effort in her classes. She didn't even show up to the speech contest she was responsible for.  She rarely speaks english in her classes and after saying i couldn't teach the class the way i used to..for months insisted on that...all of a sudden she expects it. 

Our class has a sound proof door. we are very near the VP's office and so the door is to shut out sound.  There are many windows in the classroom as well as four fans and two air conditioners that can be used to cool the classroom. But when i went to shut the door, as i always do to symbolize class is starting, she tried to cause a fight in front of the students.
And when i went to use the computer, she had all the powerpoints and videos she's never made but uses up and was hoggingthe computer memory so i had to shut them down to use the english program.  She got angry at that.  And next class was standing behind me to make sure i didn't close them again.

Since I'm out of a job and probably finished with Korea seeing as i am too expensive for public schools now and i refuse to work at hagwons at a low level of pay, i am ranting without emotion. I am done here.  When I came to Korea everyone was excited about me coming.  Now because the city is done with me, I'm worthless.   

And if you think i was cut because I am not a good teacher.  I got perfect on my open class and consistently high scores.  I am able to control 6th grade classes and even get the low level 3rd graders participating.

i love my school. I love the students and its breaking my heart to leave them. But i have no desire to continue working with my coteacher, who is responsible for at least 3 other native teachers not renewing their contracts.  Noone can work wth her. Unlike most Korean teachers who socialize during the day, most of the time she sits alone in her office with her head on her desk. At one point I felt sorry for her and tried to be her friend, but it was obvious she didn't want any.
Theree's my rant.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 23, 2015, 07:55:59 am
^^^ Hugs, man. Sorry you're going through that.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: friendofcletus on July 23, 2015, 08:10:59 am
GOOD WASTE!

There are some wonderful teachers that throw half of their food out every lunch! Why not just ask for smaller portions?!?

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on July 23, 2015, 08:31:53 am
GOOD WASTE!

There are some wonderful teachers that throw half of their food out every lunch! Why not just ask for smaller portions?!?

i used to ask for smaller portions and go back for seconds if i was still hungry. but then i would have all the other teachers and the lunch ladies 'tut tutting' me that i was eating too much, and getting double the amount of food as the other teachers. even though i would ask for half the portion sizes to begin with. welcome to Korean logic. the school even wanted to start charging me double.

so now i ask for a huge amount of food, and just throw it out if i'm not hungry enough to eat it all. makes no sense to me and it's a huge waste, but that's what i gotta do to stop being judged on my eating habits.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: AndyKanerva on July 23, 2015, 08:45:12 am
So I go to the gym early this afternoon to get my swole on...I walk in, feeling good and ready to go..I open the door to the locker room, start undressing...and as I'm undressing, I notice the coat rack in the corner and some drops of water at its base.  This coat rack has about 3 pairs of moist, dirty drawers, and like 2 pairs of socks hanging off the little hook nob thingies. 
WTF, man? 
I've hung my coat on this coat rack in the past when it was cooler. And you go and taint it with ball and ass sweat??

After my work out, I come back into the locker room, and the first vision Im greeted with is a butt-naked guy with his foot up on the counter, drying his toes with a blowdryer--(which he then later used on his balls)
Im no prude about nudity, but jc, man..save something for home.

And then there's nothing like listening to guys hock loogies IN the public shower as Im changing. 
A few of the guys that I'm somewhat friendly with there always ask me why I don't shower at the gym after my workouts...and that is why, it is public enemy #1. I do not want to bathe in your snot rockets.
Korean gym etiquette is abhorrable.
Everyday I have to crawl around all the barbells left under the chin-up and lats machine since it is in front of the mirror. Nobody once thinks, 'I guess I could use one of the bars ALREADY on the ground...' Rather, they grab a whole new bar, put their weights on, then leave it there. My record was counting 12 bars left under the chin up bar.
Once when I was doing bar squats, I left the machine to do a quick walk around the gym to stretch my legs. Within less than 10 seconds, some army fellow walked right over, like ****** Flash Gordon, and did 5 reps (this is a small gym, only one of each set up). On another occasion, two dudes were using the bench press station to do rotations of leg lifts, despite their being matts and much more suitable equipment for leg lifts.
What took the cake, hopefully for all eternity, was boogerella. At my gym they have those shitty little paper cups you have to breath in to open up. One young lass decided the bottom of the dispenser wasn't worthy of her grace, so she dipped her hand in the top, and essentially pulled out the remainder of the cups accidentally. As if this wasn't enough, she then gave a massive sneeze RIGHT INTO ALL THE CUPS. Not noticing that I was directly behind her in line. She gave a quick one-two look and put them all back in the dispenser. When she finished she noticeably gasped that I had probably seen everything, and turned tomato red in the face when I reached into the dispenser and tossed all the cups into the trash and asked the staff for more.
Why do Koreans treat the gym like their own bathroom?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: red42 on July 23, 2015, 08:57:03 am
Apparently my terrible and selfish coteacher is allowed one full fan only on her legs and also wants part of the fan that is supposed to be for me! WTH! I am hot too! Unfortunately this isn't my only problem with this coteacher  :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Timo on July 23, 2015, 09:51:28 am
I work at 3 schools. One of them is inexplicably 45km away despite there being at least 150 schools closer than this one and other people much better placed to go there. Fortunately I own a car so it's not been too much hassle and I've just got on with it. The school is lovely for the record, but I also don't get any money for fuel, toll roads I am almost forced to take or any subsidies (I also got screwed on pay in other ways, but that's a tale for another day).

I have however tried to do a service to my replacement and constantly emailed everyone I have any sway with: POE, co-ordinator, POE dude I met at orientation, Principle, VP, co-teacher, etc. 'Please give this school to someone else: If the next person doesn't have a car, it'll be 3 buses and 2 hours each way. That's absurd.'

Today I got the good news: Next teacher will no longer work there.

So why am I posting this in the rant? Well instead of working at the school 45km away, they've selected one 53km away. I've looked at the boundaries of the province I'm technically in and there is literally no two schools further apart. Furthermore, I met the native teacher of a school 1.5km from my house last week: She travels 30km to get there,  using two buses.

I said it makes no sense, it's crazy and met the usual wall of "Office of Education says it's like this and so it must be" rhetoric.

TLDR; Tried to do my successor a good turn, ended up screwing them inadvertently.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on July 23, 2015, 10:46:44 am
I think I am losing it. I have had to come in to deskwarm and that always put me in a godod mood. I am now faced with the Devil's choice of staying in the air conditioned teachers room and have to tolerate colleagues trying to talk to me or going to my classroom and sweating like a Korean taking a creative writing test.

This weather is just plain nasty. When will the rains arrive. I feel like I've been bukkakeed each time I walk out the door. I'm so tetchy I'm picking fights with Canadians on waygook.

All must die!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on July 23, 2015, 10:49:48 am
I work at 3 schools. One of them is inexplicably 45km away despite there being at least 150 schools closer than this one and other people much better placed to go there. Fortunately I own a car so it's not been too much hassle and I've just got on with it. The school is lovely for the record, but I also don't get any money for fuel, toll roads I am almost forced to take or any subsidies (I also got screwed on pay in other ways, but that's a tale for another day).

I have however tried to do a service to my replacement and constantly emailed everyone I have any sway with: POE, co-ordinator, POE dude I met at orientation, Principle, VP, co-teacher, etc. 'Please give this school to someone else: If the next person doesn't have a car, it'll be 3 buses and 2 hours each way. That's absurd.'

Today I got the good news: Next teacher will no longer work there.

So why am I posting this in the rant? Well instead of working at the school 45km away, they've selected one 53km away. I've looked at the boundaries of the province I'm technically in and there is literally no two schools further apart. Furthermore, I met the native teacher of a school 1.5km from my house last week: She travels 30km to get there,  using two buses.

I said it makes no sense, it's crazy and met the usual wall of "Office of Education says it's like this and so it must be" rhetoric.

TLDR; Tried to do my successor a good turn, ended up screwing them inadvertently.

Im convinced they spin a wheel or draw from a hat. Ive had ridiculous commutes before too.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: dandred on July 23, 2015, 10:54:36 am
Reading through these post, I'm shocked at just how crap native teachers are being treated by Korean teachers and the schools in general.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: AndyKanerva on July 23, 2015, 11:53:43 am
I think I am losing it. I have had to come in to deskwarm and that always put me in a godod mood. I am now faced with the Devil's choice of staying in the air conditioned teachers room and have to tolerate colleagues trying to talk to me or going to my classroom and sweating like a Korean taking a creative writing test.

This weather is just plain nasty. When will the rains arrive. I feel like I've been bukkakeed each time I walk out the door. I'm so tetchy I'm picking fights with Canadians on waygook.

All must die!
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Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on July 23, 2015, 12:11:16 pm
I think I am losing it. I have had to come in to deskwarm and that always put me in a godod mood. I am now faced with the Devil's choice of staying in the air conditioned teachers room and have to tolerate colleagues trying to talk to me or going to my classroom and sweating like a Korean taking a creative writing test.

This weather is just plain nasty. When will the rains arrive. I feel like I've been bukkakeed each time I walk out the door. I'm so tetchy I'm picking fights with Canadians on waygook.

All must die!
http://data3.whicdn.com/images/92790531/large.jpg
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Sorry dude,

I thought I had made it obvious I was just winding you up for the fun of it. I thought you were doing the same.

Apologies if I genuinely annoyed you.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: AndyKanerva on July 23, 2015, 12:28:12 pm
I think I am losing it. I have had to come in to deskwarm and that always put me in a godod mood. I am now faced with the Devil's choice of staying in the air conditioned teachers room and have to tolerate colleagues trying to talk to me or going to my classroom and sweating like a Korean taking a creative writing test.

This weather is just plain nasty. When will the rains arrive. I feel like I've been bukkakeed each time I walk out the door. I'm so tetchy I'm picking fights with Canadians on waygook.

All must die!
http://data3.whicdn.com/images/92790531/large.jpg
http://data3.whicdn.com/images/92790531/large.jpg

Sorry dude,

I thought I had made it obvious I was just winding you up for the fun of it. I thought you were doing the same.

Apologies if I genuinely annoyed you.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jamonamagnet on July 23, 2015, 12:49:27 pm
ME: I want to do (this craft: http://www.waygook.org/index.php/topic,89233.msg563090/topicseen.html#new), but I need to check Daiso first and make sure I can find the little plastic squeeze bottles.

CT: They can just bring them from home.

ME: Oh, okay. Are they common in Korea?

CT: After drinking Coke or cider, of course.

ME: Oh, no, I meant the small bottles, the "fish."

CT: THEY CAN BRING FROM HOME.


Holy jeez, fine. Control your fingers, please. Ten to one says that she forgets to mention it to the parents, anyways.
Ha, I kind of want to do that too, but I don't think I can get the big bottles in time.  I can't ask the students to buy a coke or cider- most of them have no money.  Anyway, Daiso definitely have the tiny fish bottles, and they have metal nuts and wire (the wire might be in the garden section).

I might make one at home, just for fun (I don't have a TV, so I usually just stare at the walls).
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 23, 2015, 03:26:55 pm
ME: I want to do (this craft: http://www.waygook.org/index.php/topic,89233.msg563090/topicseen.html#new), but I need to check Daiso first and make sure I can find the little plastic squeeze bottles.

CT: They can just bring them from home.

ME: Oh, okay. Are they common in Korea?

CT: After drinking Coke or cider, of course.

ME: Oh, no, I meant the small bottles, the "fish."

CT: THEY CAN BRING FROM HOME.


Holy jeez, fine. Control your fingers, please. Ten to one says that she forgets to mention it to the parents, anyways.
Ha, I kind of want to do that too, but I don't think I can get the big bottles in time.  I can't ask the students to buy a coke or cider- most of them have no money.  Anyway, Daiso definitely have the tiny fish bottles, and they have metal nuts and wire (the wire might be in the garden section).

I might make one at home, just for fun (I don't have a TV, so I usually just stare at the walls).

I found them! I could only find carrot-shaped ones, but they'll work well enough, I think.

And I seriously save and clean bottles and cans all year to use as materials during camp...because I know from experience that there's no point in asking the students OR my coworkers to do or bring anything!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ImNotACleverMan on July 23, 2015, 11:05:18 pm
22 years old, first job is in Korea teaching English, pay is decent. Everyone keeps saying I must be 'so excited' to be here.

Honestly though?
Despite being here for about two weeks, I feel so frustrated with myself and homesick. I didn't really care much about where I worked so much as getting it and I know I shouldn't look a gift-horse in the mouth here but damn, I wish I could just spend time with friends and family again. Sometimes I find myself wishing I heard back from a dollar store nearby my house rather than coming here to be quite honest. Ugh.

And then I get annoyed with myself for being this way as I genuinely enjoy the act of teaching, but I'm so overwhelmed by language barriers and a general lack of the familiar. I want to embrace the change and I know I will at some point (right?), but god damn do I feel like bawling my eyes out like a big baby at times.

Newcomer here and my first post is a bit of a rant. Not a great first impression, sorry!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jamonamagnet on July 24, 2015, 07:33:24 am
If you have only been here for two weeks you have not actually done any teaching.

When you arrived, the students were having exams, followed by fill-in classes to pass the time until vacation.  Now they are doing fun stuff at school (instead of actually having a vacation) and then you'll get 8 days to jet off to Thailand or wherever.

Don't compare right now with your initial expectations.  It will be different at the end of August when term starts.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Imogen1991 on July 24, 2015, 07:53:22 am
22 years old, first job is in Korea teaching English, pay is decent. Everyone keeps saying I must be 'so excited' to be here.

Honestly though?
Despite being here for about two weeks, I feel so frustrated with myself and homesick. I didn't really care much about where I worked so much as getting it and I know I shouldn't look a gift-horse in the mouth here but damn, I wish I could just spend time with friends and family again. Sometimes I find myself wishing I heard back from a dollar store nearby my house rather than coming here to be quite honest. Ugh.

And then I get annoyed with myself for being this way as I genuinely enjoy the act of teaching, but I'm so overwhelmed by language barriers and a general lack of the familiar. I want to embrace the change and I know I will at some point (right?), but god damn do I feel like bawling my eyes out like a big baby at times.

Newcomer here and my first post is a bit of a rant. Not a great first impression, sorry!

Don't worry this is totally normal! I've never been the type to get homesick but when I first got here at the end of April I was nearly in tears every single day. the tiniest thing could set me off and I'd feel emotional all day. It gets easier, i promise! I literally used to get home from work and cry, cry on the way to work haha...but it just gets better every day, at least it did for me, and now I don't feel homesick at all.

Hang in there!!  :smiley:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 24, 2015, 07:58:16 am
22 years old, first job is in Korea teaching English, pay is decent. Everyone keeps saying I must be 'so excited' to be here.

Honestly though?
Despite being here for about two weeks, I feel so frustrated with myself and homesick. I didn't really care much about where I worked so much as getting it and I know I shouldn't look a gift-horse in the mouth here but damn, I wish I could just spend time with friends and family again. Sometimes I find myself wishing I heard back from a dollar store nearby my house rather than coming here to be quite honest. Ugh.

And then I get annoyed with myself for being this way as I genuinely enjoy the act of teaching, but I'm so overwhelmed by language barriers and a general lack of the familiar. I want to embrace the change and I know I will at some point (right?), but god damn do I feel like bawling my eyes out like a big baby at times.

Newcomer here and my first post is a bit of a rant. Not a great first impression, sorry!

Hey, man, don't worry. It gets much, much easier once you establish a routine and get to know your city a little better. I swear, in about a month you'll be in a much better place. Don't stress about it; accept that you're gonna feel like way sometimes and try to stay receptive to seeing new stuff and having fun.

Good luck!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: lee233 on July 24, 2015, 08:00:57 am
22 years old, first job is in Korea teaching English, pay is decent. Everyone keeps saying I must be 'so excited' to be here.

Honestly though?
Despite being here for about two weeks, I feel so frustrated with myself and homesick. I didn't really care much about where I worked so much as getting it and I know I shouldn't look a gift-horse in the mouth here but damn, I wish I could just spend time with friends and family again. Sometimes I find myself wishing I heard back from a dollar store nearby my house rather than coming here to be quite honest. Ugh.

And then I get annoyed with myself for being this way as I genuinely enjoy the act of teaching, but I'm so overwhelmed by language barriers and a general lack of the familiar. I want to embrace the change and I know I will at some point (right?), but god damn do I feel like bawling my eyes out like a big baby at times.

Newcomer here and my first post is a bit of a rant. Not a great first impression, sorry!

First, do not knock yourself for how you are feeling. If this is your first time living for an extended period in a foreign country you are almost guaranteed to get some form of homesickness. (note: I said almost guaranteed so no one please respond about how you were super human and never had this happen, we get it, you are a special snowflake)

My first recommendation is to find a group of other foreigners to hangout with. Nothing helped me more than finding a group of people who could understand my struggles here and that I could vent to. I have found it really easy to meet people here through sports, weekend travel groups and other such things. Obviously you won't click with everyone, but odds are if you are a foreign teacher here you will have at least a couple thing sin common with other foreigners.

Number two, I can promise you that you will be ever so grateful you came here vs working at a dollar store back home. You will earn more money, be able to travel the world, as well as pad your resume with the really great stuff. I for one now I miss home, but you can make a new sort of home here too. Besides, the best way I found to survive here was to remember this is all temporary, and if need be you can leave whenever you want.

Oh, just be careful of reading too much into the negative Nancy's here on Waygook. Lord knows I too love to vent on here as well, which I will probably do a little later, but if you focus to  much on the negativity it will be tough not to be negative about the rest of your life. I fell into that trap at the end of my first year here. :undecided:

Anywho, I hope I didn't come across as condescending or anything like that. Good luck Clever Dude, I'm sure you will end up having a great time   8)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Timo on July 24, 2015, 08:12:42 am
It's me and two others in the office this week, one of which is the head teacher. Principal says AC is allowed to be on. I put it on 24 degrees (after complaints if it goes lower than that).

5 minutes in 'ahh choo-ah choo-ah', head teacher turns it off and opens the window to allow in the humidity again.

It's 29 degrees and 80% here.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jamonamagnet on July 24, 2015, 08:39:59 am
I get to have classes in the English room.  We have a big aircon unit in there, but if it's less than about 24 degrees the students complain.  At least I have something, and I am in control of keeping the doors and windows closed (aircon works better like that, who knew?).

Next week all the teachers are away for training for two days.  Luckily, I get to stay behind so that the students can have a class.

The following week is deskwarming.  If the teachers' room is not cool enough I am going to sit in the English room.  Alone and (hopefully) shivering.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on July 24, 2015, 08:40:29 am
so after summer camp i have to do some type of reading program with my students. principal says it must be in the library. but the big tv screen in the library is broken, meaning i can't do any PPT based stuff like showing them comprehension questions, doing a vocab ppt, etc.

so i say, "no problem, let's just have it in the english room". principal says it must be in the library because it's a reading program. i say "it doesn't make any difference where it is, we'll just do the same stuff. what difference does it make if it's in the library or the english room?"

principal says it must be in the library because it's a reading program and reading is done in the library.

welcome to Korean 'logic' at its finest.

oh, and we also have a staff hiking trip today despite the fact that there are torrential downpours outside. and the principal is refusing to cancel the trip. fun times ahead.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on July 24, 2015, 09:03:48 am
I get to have classes in the English room.  We have a big aircon unit in there, but if it's less than about 24 degrees the students complain.  At least I have something, and I am in control of keeping the doors and windows closed (aircon works better like that, who knew?).

Next week all the teachers are away for training for two days.  Luckily, I get to stay behind so that the students can have a class.

The following week is deskwarming.  If the teachers' room is not cool enough I am going to sit in the English room.  Alone and (hopefully) shivering.

Or, as my students would say, 씨발링. I'm not stupid, I know that you're swearing you little shit.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ImNotACleverMan on July 24, 2015, 01:38:29 pm
Thanks to everyone who had replied, it's very warming to see such support for a fledging like myself. Especially Lee and Moop, I appreciate the sound advice!

I might've neglected to mention but my coworkers have all been incredibly friendly and receptive too, but it's not quite the same, y'know? Still, I'm very fortunate for them and, now, the people here.

If you have only been here for two weeks you have not actually done any teaching. [...]
Perhaps so! I mean, I've issued tests and enjoy teaching lesson materials to students (and thusly engaging with them in a way that makes teaching more interesting to them). I may not be the most experienced, and I'm sure there'll be more I need to learn, but so far I'm enjoying my time at work.

In any case, thanks again for the responses, everyone! :azn:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Loki88 on July 25, 2015, 08:44:02 am
Is summer camp normally a sh*t ton of work or am i making this too hard on myself  :undecided:

Bit of both. My first time around was hell. This year my ct (an angel) and I made the book, ppts and materials in three days.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jamienottingham on July 25, 2015, 09:11:18 am
My one-room building has maybe 20 tenants, so not that big. This morning a girl who was moving out, obviously a hagwon teacher as the yellow bus was helping her move. I said "Hello" and was met with the blankest face I've ever seen.

I don't know if it depends on the size of the city, but when I see a foreign face around my area, I usually just say hello to be polite. Not once has somebody reciprocated. F**k em  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jamienottingham on July 25, 2015, 09:44:07 am
Anyang, but in a quieter part where I'm sure all of the foreigners live in the same buildings.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: grey on July 25, 2015, 09:53:24 am
I found not taking Koreans seriously really helped my mental state. Before I made the change the illogical behaviour would bother me.

I do a lot of smiling and nodding for the smaller stuff. Pretty good chance they will forget about it, anyway.

I probably shouldn't but I troll IRL.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Nivea on July 25, 2015, 10:35:49 am
so after summer camp i have to do some type of reading program with my students. principal says it must be in the library. but the big tv screen in the library is broken, meaning i can't do any PPT based stuff like showing them comprehension questions, doing a vocab ppt, etc.

so i say, "no problem, let's just have it in the english room". principal says it must be in the library because it's a reading program. i say "it doesn't make any difference where it is, we'll just do the same stuff. what difference does it make if it's in the library or the english room?"

principal says it must be in the library because it's a reading program and reading is done in the library.

welcome to Korean 'logic' at its finest.

oh, and we also have a staff hiking trip today despite the fact that there are torrential downpours outside. and the principal is refusing to cancel the trip. fun times ahead.

Sounds like the perfect time for a case of the explosive shits...hiking in Korea is horrible.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on July 25, 2015, 02:06:26 pm
the hiking trip didn't actually turn out to be that bad. the rain abated quite a bit, and the trip was actually a walk through the Konjiam forest (at the ski resort), which is paved. so it wasn't muddy like i thought it would be.

looks like a still have a battle ahead about the reading program though. after arguing with my co-teacher about it after a while i just told her that we're going to be about 15-20 minutes short per day if i can't use a computer, and that i've spent hours preparing for it and i'm not doing any more prep. so she can either do the prep to fill the time or the students can just draw pictures about the book for 20 minutes each day. looks like they'll probably be drawing pictures.

the english room at my school is right next to the frikken library too! arrrrgggggg!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on July 27, 2015, 01:04:27 pm
I'm selling stuff on Facebook in preparation for my upcoming (yay!) move. I have learned the following things about people in my city:

1. They cannot read. The words "this item has been claimed" mean nothing. I'll update a post to reflect that someone else has expressed an intention to buy the item, and immediately receive three or four messages asking me if that VERY SAME ITEM is available. BITCH, IT IS NOT!

"where do u live" IT SAYS IT IN THE FIRST POST
"how much is this" IT SAYS IT IN THE POST THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY COMMENTING ON
"what size is this" IT SAYS IT IN THE POST THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY COMMENTING ON

Why don't I just delete the post? Well, you see...

2. Everyone is flakier than a fine croissant, except nowhere near as wonderful. I've been on the hook for THREE WEEKS with some buyers who keep insisting they're sending the money, they're totally gonna make it to meet up next time...and then nothing. Oh, I changed my mind. Oh, I can't make it to the third attempted appointment because the weather is bad. Oh, I forgot and I don't want it anymore. Oh, I know I said I was going to pay you on Tuesday because the item in question is big and I promised I would get it out of your house immediately, but I plumb forgot that I'm actually going on vacation that day DERRRRRR.

3. Apparently, a 3,000 won item is worth f-ing bargaining over.

4. There is no concept of space and time. Oh, you want to meet at 5:00 in front of your house...but you live in Gyeongju, which is more than an hour away? Uh, no.

5. That I am apparently very challenged in the brain region: "Send the item to me first and then I'll send you the money." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH not bloody likely.

6. That I am the least important person in the world: "Hey, I want to buy this book for 2,000 won. I'll be around sometime today, maybe. I'll message you when I'm in your neighborhood." Seven hours later, "Oh, right, sorry."

7. That picking a specific place and time to meet up is difficult.
"hey i want ur shirt."
"Okay, what time and where?"
"maybe tuesday"
"Okay, what time and where?"
"do u know the university"
"Yes, of course. What time?"
"okay i will meet u at university"
"Okay, but what time? I really need to know the time. And also, the campus is quite large, so where on campus?"
"okay 1:30"
"Sorry, I have a job. I'm available after 5."
"hwo about saturday"
"Yes, okay, but what time and where on campus?"

FOREVER. And they probably won't even end up buying the thing!

UGH!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jamonamagnet on July 27, 2015, 01:23:09 pm
I'm selling stuff on Facebook in preparation for my upcoming (yay!) move. I have learned the following things about people in my city:

1. They cannot read. The words "this item has been claimed" mean nothing. I'll update a post to reflect that someone else has expressed an intention to buy the item, and immediately receive three or four messages asking me if that VERY SAME ITEM is available. BITCH, IT IS NOT!

"where do u live" IT SAYS IT IN THE FIRST POST
"how much is this" IT SAYS IT IN THE POST THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY COMMENTING ON
"what size is this" IT SAYS IT IN THE POST THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY COMMENTING ON

Why don't I just delete the post? Well, you see...

2. Everyone is flakier than a fine croissant, except nowhere near as wonderful. I've been on the hook for THREE WEEKS with some buyers who keep insisting they're sending the money, they're totally gonna make it to meet up next time...and then nothing. Oh, I changed my mind. Oh, I can't make it to the third attempted appointment because the weather is bad. Oh, I forgot and I don't want it anymore. Oh, I know I said I was going to pay you on Tuesday because the item in question is big and I promised I would get it out of your house immediately, but I plumb forgot that I'm actually going on vacation that day DERRRRRR.

3. Apparently, a 3,000 won item is worth f-ing bargaining over.

4. There is no concept of space and time. Oh, you want to meet at 5:00 in front of your house...but you live in Gyeongju, which is more than an hour away? Uh, no.

5. That I am apparently very challenged in the brain region: "Send the item to me first and then I'll send you the money." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH not bloody likely.

6. That I am the least important person in the world: "Hey, I want to buy this book for 2,000 won. I'll be around sometime today, maybe. I'll message you when I'm in your neighborhood." Seven hours later, "Oh, right, sorry."

7. That picking a specific place and time to meet up is difficult.
"hey i want ur shirt."
"Okay, what time and where?"
"maybe tuesday"
"Okay, what time and where?"
"do u know the university"
"Yes, of course. What time?"
"okay i will meet u at university"
"Okay, but what time? I really need to know the time. And also, the campus is quite large, so where on campus?"
"okay 1:30"
"Sorry, I have a job. I'm available after 5."
"hwo about saturday"
"Yes, okay, but what time and where on campus?"

FOREVER. And they probably won't even end up buying the thing!

UGH!
You must be new here.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: royalmilktea on July 27, 2015, 01:34:12 pm
"Please choose your English Camp activities wisely we don't really have a budget. Please do at least 3-4 creative things though so English camp can be FUN!"
"No sorry we can't do that art project yarn and paper plates cost too much money"


"I ORDERED ICE CREAM everyday to be delivered to the school everyday after English camp! IT WAS EXPENSIVE!!!!"


 :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Kliuchevskoi on August 02, 2015, 06:46:25 pm
Reading through these post, I'm shocked at just how crap native teachers are being treated by Korean teachers and the schools in general.

Koreans view foreigners as something to be exploited.

Wether it is employers, friends, or significant others, they will use you up and discard you. They are nice as pie when they want something from you. Once they have it, you won't see them for dust.

The foreigners needs come last in this country, we are a temporary resource and nothing more.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on August 17, 2015, 10:07:53 am
Facebook is blocked on many school computers now. The one I'm on today still hasn't. I know I can still use it on my phone, but ughhh some dummy was on Facebook on his school computer during class and got caught and now will be blocked for the rest of us? Lame.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: The 13th Earl on August 17, 2015, 10:12:00 am
Going up or even worse down just one bloody floor in a lift (elevator)  >:(


I really need to learn the Korean for 'what a lazy bastard you are'.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Action Jackson on August 17, 2015, 10:30:14 am
Going up or even worse down just one bloody floor in a lift (elevator)  >:(


I really need to learn the Korean for 'what a lazy bastard you are'.
Yes!  And not to mention, in 99% of the cases, they could have walked to where they needed to get to in the time they stood there waiting.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: stan rogers on August 17, 2015, 10:41:23 am
Going up or even worse down just one bloody floor in a lift (elevator)  >:(


I really need to learn the Korean for 'what a lazy bastard you are'.
Yes!  And not to mention, in 99% of the cases, they could have walked to where they needed to get to in the time they stood there waiting.

Maybe the person has a twisted ankle, or some medical problem that makes going up or down stairs difficult. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: country09 on August 17, 2015, 10:42:02 am
Going up or even worse down just one bloody floor in a lift (elevator)  >:(


I really need to learn the Korean for 'what a lazy bastard you are'.
Yes!  And not to mention, in 99% of the cases, they could have walked to where they needed to get to in the time they stood there waiting.

Agree for the most part but you gotta remember the state of some of these stairwells in this country. If they aren't bathrooms for the homeless or trashcans for the young they will have some adjushi smoking out of a tiny slit of a window. I know in older buildings I would much rather take the elevator. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: YoungMin on August 17, 2015, 11:01:25 am
Facebook is blocked on many school computers now. The one I'm on today still hasn't. I know I can still use it on my phone, but ughhh some dummy was on Facebook on his school computer during class and got caught and now will be blocked for the rest of us? Lame.

Shame they didn't block waygook.org too.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: AndyKanerva on August 17, 2015, 11:24:01 am
Going up or even worse down just one bloody floor in a lift (elevator)  >:(


I really need to learn the Korean for 'what a lazy bastard you are'.
Calls Koreans lazy for using the elevator to go up or down one floor.
Wants to learn how to say 'what a lazy bastard you are,' in Korean.
Has not yet learned that in Korean... Possibly due to laziness.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: toddingumi on August 17, 2015, 11:59:21 am
Don't bother me with lunch or dinner invites. I am here to work. I don't want to sit around and eat with you while you talk to other coworkers in Korean and rush to eat lunch in 50 minutes.  I know you're trying to be nice but just let me be.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: honeypieyourenotsafehere on August 17, 2015, 12:14:02 pm
Going up or even worse down just one bloody floor in a lift (elevator)  >:(


I really need to learn the Korean for 'what a lazy bastard you are'.
Calls Koreans lazy for using the elevator to go up or down one floor.
Wants to learn how to say 'what a lazy bastard you are,' in Korean.
Has not yet learned that in Korean... Possibly due to laziness.


They don't want to inhale all the smoke, freeze to death, or step on all the sputum or vomit and catch TB etc. on the stairs. I also wondered about this question for a while until I started walking up stairs. ... If you thought that diarohea that wasn't flushed in the men's was rough going just imagine the squelching sounds of loogies sticking to the bottom of your shoes while you retch from the smoke.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on August 24, 2015, 10:12:07 am
After 2 weeks of summer camp and 2 weeks off, I can't remember how to teach regular classes. HELP ME
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on August 24, 2015, 12:13:46 pm
I just moved into a new apartment which is great but now the air conditioner is leaking water all over the place when I use it. Hopefully THAT gets fixed soon.   :huh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 24, 2015, 12:26:23 pm
I just moved into a new apartment which is great but now the air conditioner is leaking water all over the place when I use it. Hopefully THAT gets fixed soon.   :huh:

Check the filter. You might have to clean it out. Should be easy.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jeremydc808 on August 24, 2015, 12:31:38 pm
Should have checked everything before moving in. I always take an extra 20 minutes to check all the utilities, heating system, AC, etc. Whether they like it or not.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on August 24, 2015, 12:36:16 pm
Should have checked everything before moving in. I always take an extra 20 minutes to check all the utilities, heating system, AC, etc. Whether they like it or not.

It had been running for the last couple days and didn't have an issue until last night. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jeremydc808 on August 24, 2015, 12:38:31 pm
Damn~! Sorry to hear that. Get the apartment manager to fix it ASAP. If any damage occurs, you will be held accountable.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on August 24, 2015, 12:50:28 pm
Damn~! Sorry to hear that. Get the apartment manager to fix it ASAP. If any damage occurs, you will be held accountable.

Landlord is coming this evening to check it.  I just moved in so it is no way my fault. I took pictures of it happening and checked to see if I had somehow blocked the hose (nope).  Hopefully its something as simple as the filter as Mr. DeMartino said...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: orionchocopie on August 24, 2015, 01:13:15 pm
It's unlikely to be the filter.  That filters dust from the air.  It's more likely to be a blockage in the drain hose.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Titanfallen on August 24, 2015, 01:29:32 pm
After 2 weeks of summer camp and 2 weeks off, I can't remember how to teach regular classes. HELP ME

I KNOW THAT FEEL, BRO! *initiates man hug*
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: lee233 on August 24, 2015, 02:36:49 pm
My contract is done on the 25th, but I don't fly out until the 27th, so I have to deal with all my luggage for the next couple of days as I bounce between places and people...... first world problems  :angel:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 24, 2015, 04:58:30 pm
It's unlikely to be the filter.  That filters dust from the air.  It's more likely to be a blockage in the drain hose.

A clogged filter will restrict the air coming in and can lead to icing build up.  After you turn the A/C off, the ice will melt and create the puddle.

But the drain hose blockage is a distinct possibility as well. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Rusty Brown on August 24, 2015, 05:27:17 pm
Bored feckless today at work in the UK so I'm trawling my old haunts.

I was reading my diary from this time last year and I ranted about my co-teacher's noisy lip smacking as she made her way through a box of creamy doughnuts. ****** insufferable woman. She used to leave lipstick stained cups everywhere and she'd hock phlegm into them when she had a cold. Used to tell me off for using the pointer the wrong way round. She thought the tip of the stick was too thin for the kids to see. I hated South Korea.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on August 25, 2015, 08:25:53 am
It's unlikely to be the filter.  That filters dust from the air.  It's more likely to be a blockage in the drain hose.

A clogged filter will restrict the air coming in and can lead to icing build up.  After you turn the A/C off, the ice will melt and create the puddle.

But the drain hose blockage is a distinct possibility as well.

And of course yesterday when someone came to look at it it didn't happen. 2 ajosshis and an ajumma staring at it going ahhhh. But it started leaking while it was on, not off so I don't think the ice was melting...? anyway the service guy is coming on Thursday to check it...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 25, 2015, 08:56:31 am
It's unlikely to be the filter.  That filters dust from the air.  It's more likely to be a blockage in the drain hose.

A clogged filter will restrict the air coming in and can lead to icing build up.  After you turn the A/C off, the ice will melt and create the puddle.

But the drain hose blockage is a distinct possibility as well.

And of course yesterday when someone came to look at it it didn't happen. 2 ajosshis and an ajumma staring at it going ahhhh. But it started leaking while it was on, not off so I don't think the ice was melting...? anyway the service guy is coming on Thursday to check it...

Ooo, yeah, sounds like it might be the hose. Shouldn't be too expensive. Make sure the landlord pays for it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on August 25, 2015, 09:25:47 am
It's unlikely to be the filter.  That filters dust from the air.  It's more likely to be a blockage in the drain hose.

A clogged filter will restrict the air coming in and can lead to icing build up.  After you turn the A/C off, the ice will melt and create the puddle.

But the drain hose blockage is a distinct possibility as well.

And of course yesterday when someone came to look at it it didn't happen. 2 ajosshis and an ajumma staring at it going ahhhh. But it started leaking while it was on, not off so I don't think the ice was melting...? anyway the service guy is coming on Thursday to check it...

Ooo, yeah, sounds like it might be the hose. Shouldn't be too expensive. Make sure the landlord pays for it.

Oh yes. There's no way I am when I just moved in a few days ago so its not my doing. He noticed not much was coming from the hose yesterday, and before he even came I made sure i hadn't set anything in my laundry room on it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on August 25, 2015, 02:15:01 pm
how i feel walking into my 6th grade classes sometimes:

(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-51881-commando-suiting-up-gif-Imgur-EJhY.gif)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on August 26, 2015, 09:31:34 am
Teach 4 classes (3rd-4th) Elementary at one of my schools. A lot of the kids are seriously spoilt little s***s and quickly get out of control. I can manage, as long as I have a CT to keep them in line, while I teach.
At the end of last semester, my CT just told me she'll be leaving in 2 weeks to go back to university to do some English courses, till next February. She told me not to worry, The school will hire a substitute English CT to help me.
Today, she told me the school hired an English CT, but... wait for it... This mofo won't be in any of my classes because he can't speak English. The homeroom teachers will instead be in my classes to help me (that's something, I guess). Apparently one of the homeroom teachers can speak English, because he spent some time (10 days, to be exact) in the states, about 10 years ago.
After asking what this guy will be doing, since he was hired to help me out, I was told he'd be teaching English...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Imogen1991 on August 26, 2015, 01:18:16 pm
Teach 4 classes (3rd-4th) Elementary at one of my schools. A lot of the kids are seriously spoilt little s***s and quickly get out of control. I can manage, as long as I have a CT to keep them in line, while I teach.
At the end of last semester, my CT just told me she'll be leaving in 2 weeks to go back to university to do some English courses, till next February. She told me not to worry, The school will hire a substitute English CT to help me.
Today, she told me the school hired an English CT, but... wait for it... This mofo won't be in any of my classes because he can't speak English. The homeroom teachers will instead be in my classes to help me (that's something, I guess). Apparently one of the homeroom teachers can speak English, because he spent some time (10 days, to be exact) in the states, about 10 years ago.
After asking what this guy will be doing, since he was hired to help me out, I was told he'd be teaching English...

Perfect K logic  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on August 26, 2015, 01:21:34 pm
2 of 3 of my co teachers are changing schools after only 6months at this one, and one of their replacements is only here until December....what's the point?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: sweetkat on August 26, 2015, 02:04:40 pm
went to extend my visa in the mobile immigration office yesterday.  It visits my city the fourth Tuesday of every month. I went there and it was closed.  Immigration said it was closed yesterday because it was the fifth Tuesday.  So apparently the last week of July is actually the first week of August.  I asked them if they could guarantee that Sept 22 it would be open as it is the fourth Tuesday.  They said.call first.  So they should change the rule to..we'll visit whenever we get around to it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: kjhamilt on August 28, 2015, 09:07:10 am
22 years old, first job is in Korea teaching English, pay is decent. Everyone keeps saying I must be 'so excited' to be here.

Honestly though?
Despite being here for about two weeks, I feel so frustrated with myself and homesick. I didn't really care much about where I worked so much as getting it and I know I shouldn't look a gift-horse in the mouth here but damn, I wish I could just spend time with friends and family again. Sometimes I find myself wishing I heard back from a dollar store nearby my house rather than coming here to be quite honest. Ugh.

And then I get annoyed with myself for being this way as I genuinely enjoy the act of teaching, but I'm so overwhelmed by language barriers and a general lack of the familiar. I want to embrace the change and I know I will at some point (right?), but god damn do I feel like bawling my eyes out like a big baby at times.

Newcomer here and my first post is a bit of a rant. Not a great first impression, sorry!

Hey,
I'm in the same boat as you right now. I've been here for about 3 weeks, teaching for 1. I am so homesick It's unreal. I'm living in Gwanju and I find it super hard to see people as it is such a big city and everyone is so spread out, so I often find myself sitting at my apartment by myself, wishing I was back home with my family. It's so hard and I cry everyday.
Because you posted this quite a while ago, I am wondering how you feel now? I'm worried this is going to get worse, or not get better at all. All of my friends here are loving everything, but I honestly hate it and wish I was home. Does it really get better??
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: AndyKanerva on August 28, 2015, 02:04:17 pm
22 years old, first job is in Korea teaching English, pay is decent. Everyone keeps saying I must be 'so excited' to be here.

Honestly though?
Despite being here for about two weeks, I feel so frustrated with myself and homesick. I didn't really care much about where I worked so much as getting it and I know I shouldn't look a gift-horse in the mouth here but damn, I wish I could just spend time with friends and family again. Sometimes I find myself wishing I heard back from a dollar store nearby my house rather than coming here to be quite honest. Ugh.

And then I get annoyed with myself for being this way as I genuinely enjoy the act of teaching, but I'm so overwhelmed by language barriers and a general lack of the familiar. I want to embrace the change and I know I will at some point (right?), but god damn do I feel like bawling my eyes out like a big baby at times.

Newcomer here and my first post is a bit of a rant. Not a great first impression, sorry!

Hey,
I'm in the same boat as you right now. I've been here for about 3 weeks, teaching for 1. I am so homesick It's unreal. I'm living in Gwanju and I find it super hard to see people as it is such a big city and everyone is so spread out, so I often find myself sitting at my apartment by myself, wishing I was back home with my family. It's so hard and I cry everyday.
Because you posted this quite a while ago, I am wondering how you feel now? I'm worried this is going to get worse, or not get better at all. All of my friends here are loving everything, but I honestly hate it and wish I was home. Does it really get better??
I'm going to chime in here. It of course gets better. I was a bit homesick during the first couple of weeks but honestly, this is something we signed up for. The way I dealt with it was by making friends in my town. Sometimes you have to really force it, by stepping out of your comfort zone and engaging people in conversation. You'll be really surprised by how many people speak English in Korea. Don't just go home and mope in your apartment. That was the biggest mistake I made for the first month.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on August 28, 2015, 02:35:52 pm
/u/englishrose's thread (http://www.waygook.org/index.php/topic,90050.0.html) on language used on this site being locked is bullsh*t.  Even though we were no longer talking about the specific racial slur in question, the thread was intended to be an overall discussion on what is or isn't considered offensive and where lines are drawn in society.  It was an interesting conversation and I'm annoyed that the mods felt the need to stamp out a dialogue that wasn't creating any issues.

It's ironic that the mod who closed it down quoted the TOS as a reason, yet "material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing[1], obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or adult material" can all be completely subjective, which is precisely what we were discussing...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on August 28, 2015, 02:48:57 pm
/u/englishrose's thread (http://www.waygook.org/index.php/topic,90050.0.html) on language used on this site being locked is bullsh*t.  Even though we were no longer talking about the specific racial slur in question, the thread was intended to be an overall discussion on what is or isn't considered offensive and where lines are drawn in society.  It was an interesting conversation and I'm annoyed that the mods felt the need to stamp out a dialogue that wasn't creating any issues.

It's ironic that the mod who closed it down quoted the TOS as a reason, yet "material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing[1], obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or adult material" can all be completely subjective, which is precisely what we were discussing...

Instead of locking threads, why don't we penalize users for being dimwits.

"Oh, those 2 users in that thread are being offensive/off topic/dimwits/etc. Better lock a thread that hundreds of users are enjoying and discussing and contributing to!"

Just rap the instigators on the knuckles and let the rest of us debate on in peace.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on August 28, 2015, 02:52:27 pm
/u/englishrose's thread (http://www.waygook.org/index.php/topic,90050.0.html) on language used on this site being locked is bullsh*t.  Even though we were no longer talking about the specific racial slur in question, the thread was intended to be an overall discussion on what is or isn't considered offensive and where lines are drawn in society.  It was an interesting conversation and I'm annoyed that the mods felt the need to stamp out a dialogue that wasn't creating any issues.

It's ironic that the mod who closed it down quoted the TOS as a reason, yet "material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing[1], obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or adult material" can all be completely subjective, which is precisely what we were discussing...

Instead of locking threads, why don't we penalize users for being dimwits.

"Oh, those 2 users in that thread are being offensive/off topic/dimwits/etc. Better lock a thread that hundreds of users are enjoying and discussing and contributing to!"

Just rap the instigators on the knuckles and let the rest of us debate on in peace.

Exactly.  I've seen it happen on multiple occasions, and I it pisses me off when someone silences me or others after getting in a snarky last word of their own.  There wasn't even a warning on the thread to stay on-topic, and someone got dinked for swearing even though the word was blocked out???  Ridiculous. 

Yes, there was a slight deviation where a few sarcastic comments were made in succession, but we were all having a laugh; no one was being harassed, and the discussion would have picked up as there were still unanswered questions/topics that had been posed.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on August 28, 2015, 02:54:04 pm
a thread i made about locking threads on here was even locked. how's that for irony.

http://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=88065.0

the mods on here are supremely lock-happy. as i've pointed out before, it's the lazy way out, because it means they don't have to do any actual moderating. i thought all the new mods were supposed to solve problems like that. guess not.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on August 28, 2015, 02:57:27 pm
a thread i made about locking threads on here was even locked. how's that for irony.

http://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=88065.0

the mods on here are supremely lock-happy. as i've pointed out before, it's the lazy way out, because it means they don't have to do any actual moderating. i thought all the new mods were supposed to solve problems like that. guess not.


/r/waygook, the land of WGAF and free speech! I'm too lazy to admin though. Who's gonna start it? hahahaha
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on August 28, 2015, 03:38:35 pm
there's already an /r/korea. but it's filled with Defenders of the Han. anything negative about Korea at all gets instantly downvoted. doesn't matter how mild the thing you say is. for example, if someone says "do a semester abroad in Korea" and someone else says "have you considered Taiwan or Japan as well?" the latter comment will get downvoted into oblivion. that's really how bad it is.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: BTeacher on August 28, 2015, 05:54:30 pm
I don't understand why some students, when bored, will opt to just stare at a blank wall rather than listen to the lesson. Is this some kind of passive aggressive thing?

Also don't get why so many Koreans stand in/on the road, especially at crosswalks and when waiting for a bus, or trying to hail a taxi. Cars are dangerous! They can kill you! I've seen grown men standing, inexplicably, as far as 1 meter from the curb, without a care in the world. If you were walking in the African Savanna, and you saw a herd of wildebeests running past, you sure as shit wouldn't stand in their way -- well cars heavier and faster than f**king wildebeests, so why the f**k would you stand in their path?!?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on August 31, 2015, 10:25:00 am
/u/englishrose's thread (http://www.waygook.org/index.php/topic,90050.0.html) on language used on this site being locked is bullsh*t.  Even though we were no longer talking about the specific racial slur in question, the thread was intended to be an overall discussion on what is or isn't considered offensive and where lines are drawn in society.  It was an interesting conversation and I'm annoyed that the mods felt the need to stamp out a dialogue that wasn't creating any issues.

It's ironic that the mod who closed it down quoted the TOS as a reason, yet "material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing[1], obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or adult material" can all be completely subjective, which is precisely what we were discussing...

Instead of locking threads, why don't we penalize users for being dimwits.

"Oh, those 2 users in that thread are being offensive/off topic/dimwits/etc. Better lock a thread that hundreds of users are enjoying and discussing and contributing to!"

Just rap the instigators on the knuckles and let the rest of us debate on in peace.

Exactly.  I've seen it happen on multiple occasions, and I it pisses me off when someone silences me or others after getting in a snarky last word of their own.  There wasn't even a warning on the thread to stay on-topic, and someone got dinked for swearing even though the word was blocked out???  Ridiculous. 

Yes, there was a slight deviation where a few sarcastic comments were made in succession, but we were all having a laugh; no one was being harassed, and the discussion would have picked up as there were still unanswered questions/topics that had been posed.

lol. I just noticed my comment stating that someone shouldn't get a warning for a *ed (Starred) out word (and how our new mods could maybe do with a little more training on understanding this previously declared Waygook policy) was deleted. FFS. That is rude and childlike. If there is one thing I've learnt by moderating other pages, it is that you don't rule by clandestine behaviour. If someone gives you fair criticism, you take it on board. You don't worry about perceptions and operate covertly.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on August 31, 2015, 11:58:16 am
/u/englishrose's thread (http://www.waygook.org/index.php/topic,90050.0.html) on language used on this site being locked is bullsh*t.  Even though we were no longer talking about the specific racial slur in question, the thread was intended to be an overall discussion on what is or isn't considered offensive and where lines are drawn in society.  It was an interesting conversation and I'm annoyed that the mods felt the need to stamp out a dialogue that wasn't creating any issues.

It's ironic that the mod who closed it down quoted the TOS as a reason, yet "material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing[1], obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or adult material" can all be completely subjective, which is precisely what we were discussing...

Instead of locking threads, why don't we penalize users for being dimwits.

"Oh, those 2 users in that thread are being offensive/off topic/dimwits/etc. Better lock a thread that hundreds of users are enjoying and discussing and contributing to!"

Just rap the instigators on the knuckles and let the rest of us debate on in peace.

Exactly.  I've seen it happen on multiple occasions, and I it pisses me off when someone silences me or others after getting in a snarky last word of their own.  There wasn't even a warning on the thread to stay on-topic, and someone got dinked for swearing even though the word was blocked out???  Ridiculous. 

Yes, there was a slight deviation where a few sarcastic comments were made in succession, but we were all having a laugh; no one was being harassed, and the discussion would have picked up as there were still unanswered questions/topics that had been posed.

lol. I just noticed my comment stating that someone shouldn't get a warning for a *ed (Starred) out word (and how our new mods could maybe do with a little more training on understanding this previously declared Waygook policy) was deleted. FFS. That is rude and childlike. If there is one thing I've learnt by moderating other pages, it is that you don't rule by clandestine behaviour. If someone gives you fair criticism, you take it on board. You don't worry about perceptions and operate covertly.

(http://mylolface.com/assets/faces/angry-must-resist.jpg)
Yeeeeeeeeeessssssss.  How this makes me feeeeeeeeeeeeeellll lll!!!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on September 01, 2015, 12:24:30 pm
I've just noticed I've got 'being watched' for responding someone's 'village idiot' with the same tone as they made a typo in their insult message. It was rather fitting and humorous in context. And nothing but a bit of banter (as the other person also said in a PM).

I know what mod did it. She's a little wet behind the ears and she's possibly letting things get personal as I called her out on giving an unnecessary warning for the starred out word of someone's post (which she also deleted and which I also called her out on). Also, I find it hilarious that after she gave both of us 5%, she went back the next day and added 20% to that (with out any message).  Imagine doing that? Imagine giving a warning, deliberating, then giving more the next morning.

And for the record, 25% is too much for what was written. I do hope you learn how to mod with an even keel. I don't want to bellow 'man, when can we get modding right?', as maybe modding will never be right for some. But let me give you some advice that I hope you take to your heart. When you mod too strongly, when you act in clandestine ways, that's when the forum turns and that's when we get the mess we got 2 months back.

I hope you heed what I'm saying as I'm not just saying it to be irritating to you. Ultimately, I do not care about this warning. I do care, however, about your future behaviour and how it will affect this community.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on September 01, 2015, 12:42:26 pm
I've just noticed I've got 'being watched' for responding someone's 'village idiot' with the same tone as they made a typo in their insult message. It was rather fitting and humorous in context. And nothing but a bit of banter (as the other person also said in a PM).

I know what mod did it. She's a little wet behind the ears and she's possibly letting things get personal as I called her out on giving an unnecessary warning for the starred out word of someone's post (which she also deleted and which I also called her out on). Also, I find it hilarious that after she gave both of us 5%, she went back the next day and added 20% to that (with out any message).  Imagine doing that? Imagine giving a warning, deliberating, then giving more the next morning.

And for the record, 25% is too much for what was written. I do hope you learn how to mod with an even keel. I don't want to bellow 'man, when can we get modding right?', as maybe modding will never be right for some. But let me give you some advice that I hope you take to your heart. When you mod too strongly, when you act in clandestine ways, that's when the forum turns and that's when we get the mess we got 2 months back.

I hope you heed what I'm saying as I'm not just saying it to be irritating to you. Ultimately, I do not care about this warning. I do care, however, about your future behaviour and how it will affect this community.

I was banned for saying this type of stuff 4 weeks ago.....

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on September 01, 2015, 12:48:17 pm
I've just noticed I've got 'being watched' for responding someone's 'village idiot' with the same tone as they made a typo in their insult message. It was rather fitting and humorous in context. And nothing but a bit of banter (as the other person also said in a PM).

I know what mod did it. She's a little wet behind the ears and she's possibly letting things get personal as I called her out on giving an unnecessary warning for the starred out word of someone's post (which she also deleted and which I also called her out on). Also, I find it hilarious that after she gave both of us 5%, she went back the next day and added 20% to that (with out any message).  Imagine doing that? Imagine giving a warning, deliberating, then giving more the next morning.

And for the record, 25% is too much for what was written. I do hope you learn how to mod with an even keel. I don't want to bellow 'man, when can we get modding right?', as maybe modding will never be right for some. But let me give you some advice that I hope you take to your heart. When you mod too strongly, when you act in clandestine ways, that's when the forum turns and that's when we get the mess we got 2 months back.

I hope you heed what I'm saying as I'm not just saying it to be irritating to you. Ultimately, I do not care about this warning. I do care, however, about your future behaviour and how it will affect this community.

I was banned for saying this type of stuff 4 weeks ago.....

Hot 6, as much as we love you, I've seen you get into too many troll post arguments to never have received a ban.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on September 01, 2015, 01:24:06 pm
I've just noticed I've got 'being watched' for responding someone's 'village idiot' with the same tone as they made a typo in their insult message. It was rather fitting and humorous in context. And nothing but a bit of banter (as the other person also said in a PM).

I know what mod did it. She's a little wet behind the ears and she's possibly letting things get personal as I called her out on giving an unnecessary warning for the starred out word of someone's post (which she also deleted and which I also called her out on). Also, I find it hilarious that after she gave both of us 5%, she went back the next day and added 20% to that (with out any message).  Imagine doing that? Imagine giving a warning, deliberating, then giving more the next morning.

And for the record, 25% is too much for what was written. I do hope you learn how to mod with an even keel. I don't want to bellow 'man, when can we get modding right?', as maybe modding will never be right for some. But let me give you some advice that I hope you take to your heart. When you mod too strongly, when you act in clandestine ways, that's when the forum turns and that's when we get the mess we got 2 months back.

I hope you heed what I'm saying as I'm not just saying it to be irritating to you. Ultimately, I do not care about this warning. I do care, however, about your future behaviour and how it will affect this community.

I was banned for saying this type of stuff 4 weeks ago.....

Hot 6, as much as we love you, I've seen you get into too many troll post arguments to never have received a ban.

Probably
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on September 02, 2015, 02:03:59 pm
Had to kick all the kids out of my afterschool classes... they were too "high level."

Lets forget about the fact these kids actually wanted to be there, and had motivation to learn.

Too bad for them....


Now they say it has to be a phonics class. Like abc level... but what to continue teaching them difficult material???


So now, not a single kid wants to join, because at the 5th 6th grade level, the reason why these kids don't know there abc's is because they DON"T CARE ABOUT ENGLISH!

Of course I made some suggestions.... about changing the class to an English Drama club. Something fun, where the kids don't feel like they are their for "learning" English.


NO! They can't learn reading and writing and thats the most important part of langauge!


Ummm what about speaking... I don't hold up a sign to communicate with people....


Logic.  :huh: :rolleyes:

So now they are arguing about what to do, but you know, the Native speaker, and someone who majored in Language,  that opinion is totally worthless and we shouldn't ask for ideas from that dolt..... sparkling.

*Mind my errors, I'm rage typing, and don't care.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: honeypieyourenotsafehere on September 02, 2015, 02:34:45 pm
Someone's angry about being given a warning for swearing on waygook.org? 

My words were blocked out with *** anyway, so what's the poblem doooodes?

I taught (sic) waygook.org was the place us waygooks could rant and rave on, is it not trooth?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: atemporaryaccount on September 02, 2015, 02:38:54 pm
Had to kick all the kids out of my afterschool classes... they were too "high level."

Lets forget about the fact these kids actually wanted to be there, and had motivation to learn.

Too bad for them....


Now they say it has to be a phonics class. Like abc level... but what to continue teaching them difficult material???


So now, not a single kid wants to join, because at the 5th 6th grade level, the reason why these kids don't know there abc's is because they DON"T CARE ABOUT ENGLISH!

Of course I made some suggestions.... about changing the class to an English Drama club. Something fun, where the kids don't feel like they are their for "learning" English.



NO! They can't learn reading and writing and thats the most important part of langauge!


Ummm what about speaking... I don't hold up a sign to communicate with people....


Logic.  :huh: :rolleyes:

So now they are arguing about what to do, but you know, the Native speaker, and someone who majored in Language,  that opinion is totally worthless and we shouldn't ask for ideas from that dolt..... sparkling.

*Mind my errors, I'm rage typing, and don't care.

You want to do a drama club, but the students can't read or write? How? Am I missing something?

Sucks you don't get much say about your classes, but I think if students at that age can't read or write English, that's probably a good thing to do in class.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 02:43:52 pm
Something I've been pondering for a while, what is the point of Koreans changing shoes before entering school? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, since it extends the life of my shoes, but the kids and staff walk on the field and the wet concrete, wearing the indoor slippers. It's the same baffling story when I go to gym.

Japan is a lot more strict about it, making the entire exercise logical, but over here it's just pointless.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on September 02, 2015, 02:44:30 pm
Less of a rant, and more of a YAY! My new co teacher makes the same long commute to school as me and is going to drive me home after school! :cheesy:

Tomorrow Ill be making my 5th (and final) trip to immigration to renew my ARC and after all the annoying stuff is over, since I don't have to go back to school, Im having me Subway for lunch and going shopping~ ahh bliss~ :smiley:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on September 02, 2015, 03:15:40 pm
Had to kick all the kids out of my afterschool classes... they were too "high level."

Lets forget about the fact these kids actually wanted to be there, and had motivation to learn.

Too bad for them....


Now they say it has to be a phonics class. Like abc level... but what to continue teaching them difficult material???


So now, not a single kid wants to join, because at the 5th 6th grade level, the reason why these kids don't know there abc's is because they DON"T CARE ABOUT ENGLISH!

Of course I made some suggestions.... about changing the class to an English Drama club. Something fun, where the kids don't feel like they are their for "learning" English.



NO! They can't learn reading and writing and thats the most important part of langauge!


Ummm what about speaking... I don't hold up a sign to communicate with people....


Logic.  :huh: :rolleyes:

So now they are arguing about what to do, but you know, the Native speaker, and someone who majored in Language,  that opinion is totally worthless and we shouldn't ask for ideas from that dolt..... sparkling.

*Mind my errors, I'm rage typing, and don't care.

You want to do a drama club, but the students can't read or write? How? Am I missing something?

Sucks you don't get much say about your classes, but I think if students at that age can't read or write English, that's probably a good thing to do in class.

Listening and repeating, and memorizing lines. Trying to get them comfortable speaking was the goal. It's easy too. I did it with Kindy kids.

The reason why I suggested it for the class, is because the kids don't want to take a BORING reading and writing class based on phonics. They will learn vocabulary, and recall fluency with drama. Something actually useful.

I don't blame them. Also, the parents keep declining the permission slips because they don't want their kids to be bullied; you know, because its a "phonics class."

Something I've been pondering for a while, what is the point of Koreans changing shoes before entering school? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, since it extends the life of my shoes, but the kids and staff walk on the field and the wet concrete, wearing the indoor slippers. It's the same baffling story when I go to gym.

Japan is a lot more strict about it, making the entire exercise logical, but over here it's just pointless.

Didn't you read the other thread... they wouldn't HAVE TO WEAR them if it weren't for the JAPANESE~~!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: purpleradish on September 02, 2015, 04:42:23 pm
I teach a special class once a week that needs special materials (food, craft stuff, art stuff) that sometimes needs to be ordered.
WITHOUT FAIL, the project gets mucked up every week. I have a spreadsheet on our main drive that lists craft supplies needed and a photo of the final project. But either the Korean teacher who orders confuses the weeks, can't find that exact material in Korea, orders the totally wrong thing, the supplies arrive late, etc.
This week I had planned a craft recommended by the Korean teacher. I said it was a great idea and added it, a month ago, to the list. Today I asked where the box of said crafts was, and he says casually that they "gave it away." Instead, he suggested a completely different craft that would take the kids about 2 minutes to complete.
So frustrating. Every. Single. Class.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on September 03, 2015, 10:58:05 am
Jesus, so I had enough today.

Exploded on the boys in my 6th grade.


Trying to get them to pay attention, just openly mocks me, rest of boys laugh, start throwing paper, ask them to stop, laugh at me tell me to be quiet in Korean, and mutter shibal...


yeah...


So Just started blew up on one till he cried, made the others clean the whole classroom in front of the other students...


I don't care if I get a warning or fired.

After 5 years of this crap...

Seriously, I don't care if kids sleep, I don't care if kids write or speak... they can do jack and learn nothing for all I care..

However, when kids blatantly disrespect me, in a way they would never act or talk to a Korean teacher... game over.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: amormistre on September 03, 2015, 11:15:21 am
Jesus, so I had enough today.

Exploded on the boys in my 6th grade.


Trying to get them to pay attention, just openly mocks me, rest of boys laugh, start throwing paper, ask them to stop, laugh at me tell me to be quiet in Korean, and mutter shibal...


yeah...


So Just started blew up on one till he cried, made the others clean the whole classroom in front of the other students...


I don't care if I get a warning or fired.

After 5 years of this crap...

Seriously, I don't care if kids sleep, I don't care if kids write or speak... they can do jack and learn nothing for all I care..

However, when kids blatantly disrespect me, in a way they would never act or talk to a Korean teacher... game over.

Kudos to you, I wouldn't care either. It's only my second week of second semester and I'm getting to the "I dont care" notion. I teach highschool and there are amazing students that genuinely want to learn.. but teaching a class as a whole is getting annoying.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on September 03, 2015, 12:22:05 pm
I made the creamiest goddamn bacon, chicken, and mushroom pasta with real ****** cream and cheese and cream cheese and more cheese, and some ****** teacher ****** ate it.

I went to the teachers' lounge to fetch my lunch and there the container was all washed-up (poorly) on the drainage board.

Muvva Fluffers.

Surely, this is not a case of cultural differences.

This has to be rude to people here, too, surely.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Nick P on September 03, 2015, 12:30:11 pm
I made the creamiest goddamn bacon, chicken, and mushroom pasta with real ****** cream and cheese and cream cheese and more cheese, and some ****** teacher ****** ate it.

I went to the teachers' lounge to fetch my lunch and there the container was all washed-up (poorly) on the drainage board.

Muvva Fluffers.

Surely, this is not a case of cultural differences.

This has to be rude to people here, too, surely.


Quick question, did you burn the building down? That's 100% absurd. It's an actual joke.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: zola on September 03, 2015, 12:33:20 pm
I made the creamiest goddamn bacon, chicken, and mushroom pasta with real ****** cream and cheese and cream cheese and more cheese, and some ****** teacher ****** ate it.

I went to the teachers' lounge to fetch my lunch and there the container was all washed-up (poorly) on the drainage board.

Muvva Fluffers.

Surely, this is not a case of cultural differences.

This has to be rude to people here, too, surely.

Holy shit.
That would send me over the edge.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on September 03, 2015, 12:34:35 pm
I made the creamiest goddamn bacon, chicken, and mushroom pasta with real ****** cream and cheese and cream cheese and more cheese, and some ****** teacher ****** ate it.

I went to the teachers' lounge to fetch my lunch and there the container was all washed-up (poorly) on the drainage board.

Muvva Fluffers.

Surely, this is not a case of cultural differences.

This has to be rude to people here, too, surely.

Holy shit.
That would send me over the edge.

I am honestly furious. I'll share whatever I have with anyone. But that pasta was part of a dinner a made last night, a dinner that took over 3 hours to make, and was made with love for my girlfriend. It wasn't made for some **** to chow down on.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Nick P on September 03, 2015, 12:39:59 pm
Time for some public shaming in the office, man. What did you do?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on September 03, 2015, 01:00:03 pm
Time for some public shaming in the office, man. What did you do?

**** all. I wanted to hulk-smash but remained calm as it's work. Most of the third grade teachers (it's the third grade staff room) saw me discover someone ate it. I gave them a disappointed, disapproving look, asked where it was, they all maintained their ignorance so I collected my tupperware and walked out.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on September 03, 2015, 01:07:08 pm
I honestly can't understand the mindset of people who think it's okay to eat food that clearly isn't theirs. The whole idea of eating someone else's food is something that my brain stutters at and fails to process as a concept.

I haven't had anything quite as egregious as Space's experience, but I did come in to the lounge one day to see the school nurse giving her rugrat the bottle of orange juice I had brought with my lunch. I made a big show of looking in the fridge for it and conveying surprise on my face as I looked at her, and to her credit, she was terribly embarrassed. After she finished, she went to a nearby store and bought me a new one. Mine had a happy ending in that regard, I suppose, so I hope to hear something similar for ol' Spacey here. At least an apology, surely?

This isn't just a Korea thing, of course, before anyone jumps up my ass about it. I've seen plenty of people complaining or joking about that in the US, and it's probably on a TV trope website out there somewhere. I'd be just as baffled and/or angry where I to encounter it back home.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: themuse on September 03, 2015, 01:42:45 pm
Going with the food stories:  During the summer break, something like that happened..... only with even less logic.

I brought a sandwich that was made with whole grain bread that was brought from a summer trip overseas (because that over-processed white bread here's total crap, and I can't deal with it anymore).  So, it wasn't just like wasting a bit of money..... it wasn't replaceable.  I went to the staff room to get it, and found something interesting...... One of the secretaries didn't know whose it was (only non-Korean, combined with the stereotype of foreigner's lunches wasn't a clue, apparently) so......  The way I see see it, you have four options: 1. (best) leave it  2. (after lunch has passed) ask/leave a note 3. (after a whole day) if it's been there awhile and is questionable, throw it away and 4. after reading all the stories on here, I knew that it was possible sometimes people may take and eat it.  No, she chooses the most logical option: take it out of the refrigerator after only 30 minutes into the work day and leaves it out in the 90+ heat with 110% humidity for 4 hours to completely ruin it.  (and throws a tomato into the bag that could have been who knows where, touching who knows what)

There was a total "Friends" moment of Ross screaming for his sandwich..... that day pigeons flew away in Central Park from the anger screams.  (Okay, not really.....)     
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on September 03, 2015, 02:18:06 pm
Why do so many expats walk around looking literally homeless with zero regard to their own personal appearance?

I see people unironically wearing oversized, ill-fitting clothes, with unwashed hair and unshaven faces all the time. In public places. Like, how far do you have to fall to not even remotely care about your appearance when other people have to look at you?

I know people in Western countries do this, too, but the percentage is much lower. But here, go out anywhere where there are lots of expats, and it looks like half of them just rolled out of bed.

Gross.

Some folks find the college habits hard to break, but this is the normal transition phase, at least for me it was. The worst was at my renewal interview, when another NET rocked up to his interview wearing a huge black hoodie, headphones around his neck, baggie jeans and Jordans. As long as I make sure I look well put together, whenever I leave my apartment it doesn't bother me; I find the tacky and juvenile appearance of fellow NETs more of an amusement than a gripe.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on September 03, 2015, 02:42:57 pm
I honestly can't understand the mindset of people who think it's okay to eat food that clearly isn't theirs. The whole idea of eating someone else's food is something that my brain stutters at and fails to process as a concept.

I haven't had anything quite as egregious as Space's experience, but I did come in to the lounge one day to see the school nurse giving her rugrat the bottle of orange juice I had brought with my lunch. I made a big show of looking in the fridge for it and conveying surprise on my face as I looked at her, and to her credit, she was terribly embarrassed. After she finished, she went to a nearby store and bought me a new one. Mine had a happy ending in that regard, I suppose, so I hope to hear something similar for ol' Spacey here. At least an apology, surely?

This isn't just a Korea thing, of course, before anyone jumps up my ass about it. I've seen plenty of people complaining or joking about that in the US, and it's probably on a TV trope website out there somewhere. I'd be just as baffled and/or angry where I to encounter it back home.

So some of my kids have ten pound (roughly 5kg?For the Euros) pencil cases. My teacher was like yeah, they are huge.

I said, why don't you put them in the desk, and leave them there?

You leave them in the desk? Well, I had a pencil box, and you just leave it all day in your desk.

Teacher was like, kids to take it?

I dropped the, well in the USA people don't touch others belongings with out asking.
However, I guess I understand in Korea, that people are just allowed to walk in and start putting their hands on everything they can find...


She didn't say anything...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on September 03, 2015, 03:11:52 pm
I honestly can't understand the mindset of people who think it's okay to eat food that clearly isn't theirs. The whole idea of eating someone else's food is something that my brain stutters at and fails to process as a concept.

I haven't had anything quite as egregious as Space's experience, but I did come in to the lounge one day to see the school nurse giving her rugrat the bottle of orange juice I had brought with my lunch. I made a big show of looking in the fridge for it and conveying surprise on my face as I looked at her, and to her credit, she was terribly embarrassed. After she finished, she went to a nearby store and bought me a new one. Mine had a happy ending in that regard, I suppose, so I hope to hear something similar for ol' Spacey here. At least an apology, surely?

This isn't just a Korea thing, of course, before anyone jumps up my ass about it. I've seen plenty of people complaining or joking about that in the US, and it's probably on a TV trope website out there somewhere. I'd be just as baffled and/or angry where I to encounter it back home.

Last year, I was asked/told to have my lunch in the cafeteria. I was at a new school, so a bit of PR wouldn't hurt too much. I sat near the VP and principal and the lunch discussion was pretty casual, with my CT translating the questions they were asking me. Reluctantly, I opened my lunchbox (I bring my own lunch, since I refuse to eat Korean crapeteria food). Innocent and pristine, is my big slice of Lasagne, which was made the night before.

I made a show of not being happy of all the Korean staff sticking their noses near my food and everyone went back to their meal. They offered Kimchi and I politely declined mentally I said, "If that stinking sh*t comes another cm closer to my lasagne, I will end you"
Half way through the meal, the VP picks up a big pile of stinking Kimchi, plomps it on my lasagne and says 'Kimchi good, delicious'. I managed to reign in my fury, but I wasn't confident for how much longer. The other teachers also seemed uncomfortable with what he did. I picked up the kimchi, dropped it on his plate and left the cafeteria.

I wanted to bash that c*nt's head in and chock him with his sh*tty hairpiece. Predictably, he didn't warm up to me, after that, but the joys of going to 5 schools, and getting transferred regularly (happens in my city) is that you don't have to worry too much about getting on the staff's bad side.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on September 07, 2015, 07:49:49 am
I am tired all the time. No matter how much or little sleep I get. I eat pretty well, I exercise, I take vitamins.... I don't know what gives.  Some days are worse than others. But I've basically tired for weeks... On Friday I could barely function... and I JUST started my new (and final) contract.  Its starting to show in my face and people keep asking me if I'm sick.   :sad:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on September 07, 2015, 08:04:24 am
I am tired all the time. No matter how much or little sleep I get. I eat pretty well, I exercise, I take vitamins.... I don't know what gives.  Some days are worse than others. But I've basically tired for weeks... On Friday I could barely function... and I JUST started my new (and final) contract.  Its starting to show in my face and people keep asking me if I'm sick.   :sad:

Depression.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: purpleradish on September 07, 2015, 08:07:33 am
I am tired all the time. No matter how much or little sleep I get. I eat pretty well, I exercise, I take vitamins.... I don't know what gives.  Some days are worse than others. But I've basically tired for weeks... On Friday I could barely function... and I JUST started my new (and final) contract.  Its starting to show in my face and people keep asking me if I'm sick.   :sad:

Check your vitamins at the doctor. Could be a lack of Vitamin A or something simple. Could be a condition!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on September 07, 2015, 08:18:53 am
I am tired all the time. No matter how much or little sleep I get. I eat pretty well, I exercise, I take vitamins.... I don't know what gives.  Some days are worse than others. But I've basically tired for weeks... On Friday I could barely function... and I JUST started my new (and final) contract.  Its starting to show in my face and people keep asking me if I'm sick.   :sad:

Check your vitamins at the doctor. Could be a lack of Vitamin A or something simple. Could be a condition!

The vitamins are just multi-vitamins from homeplus, the most generic ones. Am thinking of going to the doctor when I get paid if it doesn't improve. I don't think its depression.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on September 07, 2015, 08:27:33 am
So...

I was looking to get back into music.

Was thinking of ordering a trumpet, but for the style I want to pursue, trumpet didn't suit my needs, and is also hard to find a practice space for, as it's very loud.

I decided on clarinet.


Needed something nice, as I am not a noob to music or instruments....

Local shops only had the plastic student models.... (bleah)


Wanted to to go with a wooden yamaha. Well the only shop that I could find that had it, wanted 1600+ for it.  :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:

I can buy it in the States for 1200.

Ordered from Japan (same price as the states, and shipping was only $40.)


I knew I was going to have to pay a customs fee.

Well, customs sent me some simple forms to fill out (in Korean) I happily did so.

Sent them back....

OH, you're a foreigner?!

Yes....

OH well you need to send us a hand written letter IN KOREAN, Why you are buying a clarinet! Also, You need to send us your passport number and ARC.

Why? I filled out the forms you already requested, and you already have my ARC info, which makes needing my passport moot.

Well, you are a foreigner... oh, you ordered from Japan right?

Yes....

OKay, we will contact you with tax info..

??????

Have to pay 325,000 won... 30% tax.  :rolleyes:

Still 100$ cheaper than buying it here, so ****'em.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on September 07, 2015, 08:33:33 am
^always baffles me that no-one at customs seems to speak English. it's a department that deals with international packages. you'd think that a department that deals with international packages would have at least one person working for it that speaks the international language of English, but nope.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: sweetkat on September 07, 2015, 09:47:23 am
my rant....getting perfect on open class....well known as a great teacher in the city, and yet due to a temp coteacher **** up (blatantly deliberate as he was young and hated me..not sure why since I helped out with problems with his gf many times), my position was eliminated in the city.  Meanwhile, a guy who got hired around same time as me, who went through about 5 hagwon jobs (kept getting let go because he wasn't good and kids didn't like him) gets to stay on for the same pay as i was getting...because he was at a bigger school than me.   OH and the students don't like him there either.  I'm over being angry as I scored a sweet job in China but...even after 8 years here,  I will never understand Koreans or Korean bureaucracy.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on September 07, 2015, 09:57:08 am
About twice a year, I help prepare my students for the infamous 'speech contest'. It's always the same story; my CT downloads awfully translated and shamelessly ripped  English article/story from Naver and teaches it to the students. After the students spend a week memorising it, my CT asks me to proofread the article (AFTER THEY MEMORISED THE STUPID THING!). I try to be as lenient as possible, but the translation is pretty much useless. It's obviously part of my job and I'm not complaining about this.

What gets to me is that no matter how many times I tell my CT to stop using Naver do download English contest material, she should use google or ask me to download something before just rushing to Naver. Now the students have to memorise a new article from google. This time after we went through the same process, after a week, she relayed the students complaint to me that the article was too long to memorise (obviously, since they only started preparing for it last week and the contest is next week).

I edit and shorten the article and give it to her... Today, I found out that they wanted it even shorter. SO my CT threw out my article and downloaded a new one, off Naver naturally, and 'edited' it by basically just cutting off half the text. The students are now frantically memorising a terribly translated and shamelessly ripped story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf, which ends in the middle of a sentence... Oh, and all 12 participants will be using exactly the same text. So, everyone will be sitting there listening to this same nonsense being regurgitated 12 times over, while I 'judge' this crap.

Lord, give me strength.


(typed in a rush, please excuse the errors)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: chimp on September 07, 2015, 10:06:19 am
My favourite from back in the day was scheduling nonesense.

I'd work at 3 schools, main Mon/Tue/Thu, one on Wed, other on Fri.

With the new school year, my handler and schedule changed. I rolled up to the main school on Monday ready for work etc. My new handler, a kind, frail, and wispy looking woman evetually plucked up the courage to speak to me.

"Chimp, why didn't you go to x school today?"

Me: "I have to go there on Mondays? I wasn't told, I'll go there on Monday's from now on"

"Ah, did you forget?"

[Next Monday at the other school]

[Another new teacher]

"Chimp, why didn't you come here last Monday? Did you forget?"

Me: "No, they didn't tell me what my new schedule is"

"Ah you forgot. Remember to come next week."

Me: "My contract ends this week, I'm leaving"

"What?" [I was a last minute hire, the previous teacher had run away, so my contract ran from the second week of the school year]
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: chimp on September 07, 2015, 10:16:26 am
The other one was on an after-school meal.

There was a junior trainee teacher, young guy, bit of an arse.

After the meal we were driving to a bar. They stopped my at house and told me to get out.

"We are going to a bar, real teachers only" said the trainee.

................... ...

Other was at a different after-school meal at a different school. I was friendly with the art teacher since her desk was next to mine.  The PE teacher was teasing her about it in Korean- "Do you love him? haha" etc etc

Bitch said "No way! His nose is big!" and proceeded to make exaggerated 'big nose' hand gestures.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: DLJL on September 10, 2015, 03:50:26 pm
I have to bow and greet my principle and vice principle every day, and any time I see them in the hall, as I hear a lot of other teachers have to do. I end up seeing my principle six or seven times a day just around the school and bow/greet every time. Every single time he just dead-pans straight ahead and doesn't even acknowledge that I exist.

One time I walked through a busy area of the school and missed him, totally by accident. He called my co-teacher the next day and complained that I did not bow. I'd bowed to him about six times that day already.

Students also wave and shout hello at me in the halls. I wave and say hello back. He called to complain that he has seen me waving and I should be bowing. Waving is not korean.

Another time I bowed to him, the vice principle and another teacher who were all stood talking together. He called my co-teacher and complained that I bowed to the three of them collectively and should have bowed to him individually.

Today he called my co-teacher to complain that I bowed to him too deeply while he was standing next to parents and I made it look as if he is a difficult man who demands deep bows from his teachers.

BOWING POLITICS

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: waygo0k on September 10, 2015, 03:57:10 pm
I have to bow and greet my principle and vice principle every day, and any time I see them in the hall, as I hear a lot of other teachers have to do. I end up seeing my principle six or seven times a day just around the school and bow/greet every time. Every single time he just dead-pans straight ahead and doesn't even acknowledge that I exist.

One time I walked through a busy area of the school and missed him, totally by accident. He called my co-teacher the next day and complained that I did not bow. I'd bowed to him about six times that day already.

Students also wave and shout hello at me in the halls. I wave and say hello back. He called to complain that he has seen me waving and I should be bowing. Waving is not korean.

Another time I bowed to him, the vice principle and another teacher who were all stood talking together. He called my co-teacher and complained that I bowed to the three of them collectively and should have bowed to him individually.

Today he called my co-teacher to complain that I bowed to him too deeply while he was standing next to parents and I made it look as if he is a difficult man who demands deep bows from his teachers.

BOWING POLITICS



PRINCIPAL!!

PRINCIPAL!!

PRIN-CI-PAL!!!!!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on September 11, 2015, 07:51:58 am
I have to bow and greet my principle and vice principle every day, and any time I see them in the hall, as I hear a lot of other teachers have to do. I end up seeing my principle six or seven times a day just around the school and bow/greet every time. Every single time he just dead-pans straight ahead and doesn't even acknowledge that I exist.

One time I walked through a busy area of the school and missed him, totally by accident. He called my co-teacher the next day and complained that I did not bow. I'd bowed to him about six times that day already.

Students also wave and shout hello at me in the halls. I wave and say hello back. He called to complain that he has seen me waving and I should be bowing. Waving is not korean.

Another time I bowed to him, the vice principle and another teacher who were all stood talking together. He called my co-teacher and complained that I bowed to the three of them collectively and should have bowed to him individually.

Today he called my co-teacher to complain that I bowed to him too deeply while he was standing next to parents and I made it look as if he is a difficult man who demands deep bows from his teachers.

BOWING POLITICS



PRINCIPAL!!

PRINCIPAL!!

PRIN-CI-PAL!!!!!!!

What does your co-teacher think about the matter? Or did you ask? My co is pretty understanding when it comes to difficulties like that. Maybe he/she can give you some advice?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on September 11, 2015, 08:17:17 am
I made it look as if he is a difficult man who demands deep bows from his teachers.

sounds pretty accurate to me based on the rest of what you wrote though  :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: zola on September 11, 2015, 09:41:50 am
I have to bow and greet my principle and vice principle every day, and any time I see them in the hall, as I hear a lot of other teachers have to do. I end up seeing my principle six or seven times a day just around the school and bow/greet every time. Every single time he just dead-pans straight ahead and doesn't even acknowledge that I exist.

One time I walked through a busy area of the school and missed him, totally by accident. He called my co-teacher the next day and complained that I did not bow. I'd bowed to him about six times that day already.

Students also wave and shout hello at me in the halls. I wave and say hello back. He called to complain that he has seen me waving and I should be bowing. Waving is not korean.

Another time I bowed to him, the vice principle and another teacher who were all stood talking together. He called my co-teacher and complained that I bowed to the three of them collectively and should have bowed to him individually.

Today he called my co-teacher to complain that I bowed to him too deeply while he was standing next to parents and I made it look as if he is a difficult man who demands deep bows from his teachers.

BOWING POLITICS

Christ

I couldn't deal with that.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: grey on September 11, 2015, 10:41:52 am
I have to bow and greet my principle and vice principle every day, and any time I see them in the hall, as I hear a lot of other teachers have to do. I end up seeing my principle six or seven times a day just around the school and bow/greet every time. Every single time he just dead-pans straight ahead and doesn't even acknowledge that I exist.

One time I walked through a busy area of the school and missed him, totally by accident. He called my co-teacher the next day and complained that I did not bow. I'd bowed to him about six times that day already.

Students also wave and shout hello at me in the halls. I wave and say hello back. He called to complain that he has seen me waving and I should be bowing. Waving is not korean.

Another time I bowed to him, the vice principle and another teacher who were all stood talking together. He called my co-teacher and complained that I bowed to the three of them collectively and should have bowed to him individually.

Today he called my co-teacher to complain that I bowed to him too deeply while he was standing next to parents and I made it look as if he is a difficult man who demands deep bows from his teachers.

BOWING POLITICS

Christ

I couldn't deal with that.

I'd say I don't understand and would ask that he personally show me. If he did I'd say thanks and walk away. If he didn't I would give the deepest bow every time I saw him.

Child.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: maximmm on September 11, 2015, 11:01:15 am
The other one was on an after-school meal.

There was a junior trainee teacher, young guy, bit of an arse.

After the meal we were driving to a bar. They stopped my at house and told me to get out.

"We are going to a bar, real teachers only" said the trainee.

................... ...

Other was at a different after-school meal at a different school. I was friendly with the art teacher since her desk was next to mine.  The PE teacher was teasing her about it in Korean- "Do you love him? haha" etc etc

Bitch said "No way! His nose is big!" and proceeded to make exaggerated 'big nose' hand gestures.

You should have countered with 'you know what they say about men with big noses' and made an appropriate gesture.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on September 11, 2015, 11:20:06 am
I have to bow and greet my principle and vice principle every day, and any time I see them in the hall, as I hear a lot of other teachers have to do. I end up seeing my principle six or seven times a day just around the school and bow/greet every time. Every single time he just dead-pans straight ahead and doesn't even acknowledge that I exist.

One time I walked through a busy area of the school and missed him, totally by accident. He called my co-teacher the next day and complained that I did not bow. I'd bowed to him about six times that day already.

Students also wave and shout hello at me in the halls. I wave and say hello back. He called to complain that he has seen me waving and I should be bowing. Waving is not korean.

Another time I bowed to him, the vice principle and another teacher who were all stood talking together. He called my co-teacher and complained that I bowed to the three of them collectively and should have bowed to him individually.

Today he called my co-teacher to complain that I bowed to him too deeply while he was standing next to parents and I made it look as if he is a difficult man who demands deep bows from his teachers.

BOWING POLITICS

Christ

I couldn't deal with that.

I'd say I don't understand and would ask that he personally show me. If he did I'd say thanks and walk away. If he didn't I would give the deepest bow every time I saw him.

Child.

Oh man, if you've got the balls. Next time your CT tells you about his latest complaint, tell your CT to tell him that you didn't bow out of respect; since you heard that people who demand that you bow to them often have short man syndrome or tiny 'chaps'.

This takes me back to High School and early varsity years. My Muay Thai sensei would demand that we bow to him, whenever we see him, even if it's in public. If we didn't, we'd get a shot to the gut!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on September 11, 2015, 11:50:48 am
The other one was on an after-school meal.

There was a junior trainee teacher, young guy, bit of an arse.

After the meal we were driving to a bar. They stopped my at house and told me to get out.

"We are going to a bar, real teachers only" said the trainee.

................... ...
Holy shit, this infuriated me for you.  I would have immediately shot back with "Aren't you just a trainee?" with a saccharine smile.  What a ****** asshole.  Did the other teachers know that he said that and agreed?!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: theusual on September 11, 2015, 01:29:43 pm
My co came into my office this morning, asking about something on my computer.

Not only did she get incredibly close to my face with awful, hot morning breath, she began grunting and farting quite audibly (and continuously) for the remaining 3 minutes of our "discussion."   

 *eyes watering*
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: DLJL on September 11, 2015, 02:17:48 pm
I have to bow and greet my principle and vice principle every day, and any time I see them in the hall, as I hear a lot of other teachers have to do. I end up seeing my principle six or seven times a day just around the school and bow/greet every time. Every single time he just dead-pans straight ahead and doesn't even acknowledge that I exist.

One time I walked through a busy area of the school and missed him, totally by accident. He called my co-teacher the next day and complained that I did not bow. I'd bowed to him about six times that day already.

Students also wave and shout hello at me in the halls. I wave and say hello back. He called to complain that he has seen me waving and I should be bowing. Waving is not korean.

Another time I bowed to him, the vice principle and another teacher who were all stood talking together. He called my co-teacher and complained that I bowed to the three of them collectively and should have bowed to him individually.

Today he called my co-teacher to complain that I bowed to him too deeply while he was standing next to parents and I made it look as if he is a difficult man who demands deep bows from his teachers.

BOWING POLITICS



PRINCIPAL!!

PRINCIPAL!!

PRIN-CI-PAL!!!!!!!

How should I respond to this post regarding pedantic, petty and irritating individuals? I'll think about it later, first I'll just point out a grammar error.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Sarsfield on September 11, 2015, 09:09:28 pm
Why do so many expats walk around looking literally homeless with zero regard to their own personal appearance?

I see people unironically wearing oversized, ill-fitting clothes, with unwashed hair and unshaven faces all the time. In public places. Like, how far do you have to fall to not even remotely care about your appearance when other people have to look at you?

I know people in Western countries do this, too, but the percentage is much lower. But here, go out anywhere where there are lots of expats, and it looks like half of them just rolled out of bed.

Gross.

There's nothing I like more than putting away the shirts and slacks and changing into my old shorts and ill-fitting jumpers and tshirts during the holidays. I love the sense of freedom of having a bit of a beard and not worrying about what I look like. I might be clean but I look like a hobo! But yeah, from now on I'll start wearing nicer clothing for the other grown men who might think I'm gross.  ;D
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on September 14, 2015, 08:10:15 am
Why do some expats feel it's within their remit to judge others (be that clothes or otherwise)


As long as you don't offend my olfactory system, be as you were.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Kyndo on September 14, 2015, 08:31:14 am
PRINCIPAL!!

PRINCIPAL!!

PRIN-CI-PAL!!!!!!!

How should I respond to this post regarding pedantic, petty and irritating individuals? I'll think about it later, first I'll just point out a grammar error.
*Spelling error*
:laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: grey on September 14, 2015, 08:31:32 am
Why do some expats feel it's within their to judge others judging others (be that clothes or otherwise)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on September 14, 2015, 08:35:40 am
The building friction between my CT and I...

She wanted me to make lesson plans for her, regarding the classes we have together. I asked why, she stated because we need it in case the BoE comes for inspection..? Yet not of the other teachers mention this at all. I sorta figured she was just trying to get me to do lesson plans for her. Whatever, takes like 5 min to just change some things on the template I wrote the week before.
Now, "I want the plans to be more detailed." How? I write the process for everything we do... "I want you to write what the teacher should be saying." So you want me to write you a script? Are this for you? I thought these were just for archive purposes in case BoE comes...
She sorta starts to stumble on her words.... well you don't have too etc.....
Yeah that's what I thought, you just want me to be writing Scripted lesson plans for you, so you don't have to write them. Maybe it's Monday and I am just a little bit more on edge or something.....

Also, the constant spying over my shoulder. EVERY TIME she walks by she starts reading over my shoulder, or investigating what I am doing on the computer... Sometimes it's so blatant, she had no reason to walk by, but only to glance at my screen.

It's come to the point of; I just swivel in my chair and stare and say "yes......"

And she continues to just watch, and I just stare at her, and she just stands there waiting for me to continue whatever it is I am doing...

I'm not doing anything wrong, so it's not like I should really care, but it's just intrusive, obviously more of a cultural thing. I actually wish I HAD a cubicle.

Then the constant little outburst of urinara-isms....

It's all sorta snowballing.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on September 14, 2015, 08:53:33 am
Why do some expats feel it's within their to judge others judging others (be that clothes or otherwise)

being perceptive is not the same as judging.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: atemporaryaccount on September 14, 2015, 09:05:17 am
I have to bow and greet my principle and vice principle every day, and any time I see them in the hall, as I hear a lot of other teachers have to do. I end up seeing my principle six or seven times a day just around the school and bow/greet every time. Every single time he just dead-pans straight ahead and doesn't even acknowledge that I exist.

One time I walked through a busy area of the school and missed him, totally by accident. He called my co-teacher the next day and complained that I did not bow. I'd bowed to him about six times that day already.

Students also wave and shout hello at me in the halls. I wave and say hello back. He called to complain that he has seen me waving and I should be bowing. Waving is not korean.

Another time I bowed to him, the vice principle and another teacher who were all stood talking together. He called my co-teacher and complained that I bowed to the three of them collectively and should have bowed to him individually.

Today he called my co-teacher to complain that I bowed to him too deeply while he was standing next to parents and I made it look as if he is a difficult man who demands deep bows from his teachers.

BOWING POLITICS



PRINCIPAL!!

PRINCIPAL!!

PRIN-CI-PAL!!!!!!!

How should I respond to this post regarding pedantic, petty and irritating individuals? I'll think about it later, first I'll just point out a grammar error.

Not a grammar error.

Haha, pedant joke.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on September 14, 2015, 09:33:01 am
When your "peers" are having a conversation right next in Korean regarding America, Foreigners etc... with words like urinara thrown in etc... without mentioning to you at all what they are talking about.... not knowing you understand more than you they think you do...

Also, since they ALL can speak English at some level.... (all English staff.)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on September 14, 2015, 09:52:45 am
When your "peers" are having a conversation right next in Korean regarding America, Foreigners etc... with words like urinara thrown in etc... without mentioning to you at all what they are talking about.... not knowing you understand more than you they think you do...

Also, since they ALL can speak English at some level.... (all English staff.)

I had to re-read as I was sure that wasn't an English word. 우리나라 just means Korea ultimately.

Anyway,

Personally, I do not mind it when Koreans speak in Korean in front of me. Most are not proficient enough to hold an in-depth conversations in English fluently. Speaking English can be really taxing.

What I cannot abide is when Afrikaners do it. You're here to teach, bru. You should be able to hold a conversation about most things without reverting back to your mother-tongue. So stop it. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on September 14, 2015, 09:58:10 am
When your "peers" are having a conversation right next in Korean regarding America, Foreigners etc... with words like urinara thrown in etc... without mentioning to you at all what they are talking about.... not knowing you understand more than you they think you do...

Also, since they ALL can speak English at some level.... (all English staff.)

I had to re-read as I was sure that wasn't an English word. 우리나라 just means Korea ultimately.

Anyway,

Personally, I do not mind it when Koreans speak in Korean in front of me. Most are not proficient enough to hold an in-depth conversations in English fluently. Speaking English can be really taxing.

What I cannot abide is when Afrikaners do it. You're here to teach, bru. You should be able to hold a conversation about most things without reverting back to your mother-tongue. So stop it.

It isn't an English word, I just didn't type in Hangul, but good for you. It's more like "our country," not Korea.

You're right, most, but these are my 4 CT's who have good English speaking ability. If it's too taxing for them to even tell me what they are talking about (when it's obvious they are talking about things regarding foreigners, and my home country), then why are they teaching English?

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on September 14, 2015, 11:21:45 am
When your "peers" are having a conversation right next in Korean regarding America, Foreigners etc... with words like urinara thrown in etc... without mentioning to you at all what they are talking about.... not knowing you understand more than you they think you do...

Also, since they ALL can speak English at some level.... (all English staff.)

I had to re-read as I was sure that wasn't an English word. 우리나라 just means Korea ultimately.

Anyway,

Personally, I do not mind it when Koreans speak in Korean in front of me. Most are not proficient enough to hold an in-depth conversations in English fluently. Speaking English can be really taxing.

What I cannot abide is when Afrikaners do it. You're here to teach, bru. You should be able to hold a conversation about most things without reverting back to your mother-tongue. So stop it.

It isn't an English word, I just didn't type in Hangul, but good for you. It's more like "our country," not Korea.

You're right, most, but these are my 4 CT's who have good English speaking ability. If it's too taxing for them to even tell me what they are talking about (when it's obvious they are talking about things regarding foreigners, and my home country), then why are they teaching English?

Not sure why I'm detecting an unnecessary shitty attitude. Was just saying I actually thought it was something about urine at first. My error, not yours.  I'm not shitting on you.

Also, notice the word 'ultimately' What does it mean in the sentence I made? I said ultimately as technically speaking, the word can only ever mean 'Korea' and not other countries.

Also, good is not the same as fluent. Sure, they should include you. Maybe translate after? Maybe you can ask them to? I don't like feeling left out either. Hence my anger at ignorant exclusive Saffers sometimes. However, I do try for some compassion with Koreans. I barely know any with superb English.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on September 14, 2015, 11:39:49 am
I've pretty much come to expect nobody around me to speak English, even when everyone is fluent and perfectly capable. It used to really bother me, but now it's just old hat.

I went out for a meet-and-greet lunch with the English department the other day, and apart from asking me if I can eat what we were having, not a word of English was spoken. I know they can all speak English well. I've had conversations with each of them.

Like I said, though, it's just kind of a given at this point. I just whip out my phone and play Threes, or gaze off into space and get lost in La-La land. No skin off my back. If there's something important that I need to know, they'll (probably) tell me in English. Otherwise, I just assume I neither need to know nor care about anything they're saying.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on September 14, 2015, 11:57:06 am
The building friction between my CT and I...

She wanted me to make lesson plans for her, regarding the classes we have together. I asked why, she stated because we need it in case the BoE comes for inspection..? Yet not of the other teachers mention this at all. I sorta figured she was just trying to get me to do lesson plans for her. Whatever, takes like 5 min to just change some things on the template I wrote the week before.
Now, "I want the plans to be more detailed." How? I write the process for everything we do... "I want you to write what the teacher should be saying." So you want me to write you a script? Are this for you? I thought these were just for archive purposes in case BoE comes...
She sorta starts to stumble on her words.... well you don't have too etc.....
Yeah that's what I thought, you just want me to be writing Scripted lesson plans for you, so you don't have to write them. Maybe it's Monday and I am just a little bit more on edge or something.....

Also, the constant spying over my shoulder. EVERY TIME she walks by she starts reading over my shoulder, or investigating what I am doing on the computer... Sometimes it's so blatant, she had no reason to walk by, but only to glance at my screen.

It's come to the point of; I just swivel in my chair and stare and say "yes......"

And she continues to just watch, and I just stare at her, and she just stands there waiting for me to continue whatever it is I am doing...

I'm not doing anything wrong, so it's not like I should really care, but it's just intrusive, obviously more of a cultural thing. I actually wish I HAD a cubicle.

Then the constant little outburst of urinara-isms....

It's all sorta snowballing.

Most of the CTs I've had do this. My main CT does this, but she's always willing help me in turn, and she never asks for outrageous demands. She learnt the expression 'You scratch my back I scratch yours from this'.
I've also come across my fair share of leeches like this woman. I'm at the point where I'll tell them straight

"I'm sorry, I'm not doing your work for you"
                              or
"If you want me to plan your lessons, you'll have to pay me"

They either get really shocked and never bother me again or hold some kind of little grudge. I really couldn't care less, since the MOE in my city transfers us to new school once or twice a year, plus I never teach at a school more than once a week.

I'm sure you've worked it out too, but I never do 'favours' for Koreans anymore, unless I know they'll help me out in turn. It seems selfish, but from my experience, the way things work is they'll ask you a 'favour'. If they figure out you can pushed around they'll unload all their crap on you.

Regarding her busybody nature, I've encountered this too. Again, being blunt has saved me more stress than it sometimes gives;
"Teacher, stop looking over my shoulder, it's not appropriate behaviour"
Again, same response, either shock and shame or a grudge which, if you stand your ground, will escalate into nothing.

I'm not sure if their aware of what they're doing is wrong or not, either way I don't care.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: BTeacher on September 14, 2015, 01:37:17 pm
Just want to vent this here, since I don't take out my anger on the road.

Driving into work today -- in no hurry because I'm just going to work -- and I need to make a right turn at a green light, problem is there is a taxi parked in the right lane/blocking the intersection, so I decide to pull around him into the left lane (after all, turning into the wrong lane is as commonplace as kimchi in Korea).

He chooses this moment to begin pulling away from the curb, so I give him a little friendly beep, just to let him know I'm there/be safe.

Well, apparently he didn't like being beeped at, because about a block later, we came to a stop (me in the left lane, him in the right, slightly behind) and he blasts his horn at me. There were no left turns at that intersection, so I was in no way blocking any move he wanted to make, he was clear to turn right, and we both had to wait to go straight. he had no signal on either way.

20 meters down the road, he comes up behind a parked van, begins turning towards me and blasts his horn at me again, as if I put the van there, or he wants me to drive into oncoming traffic just to let him squeeze by.

Just...FFS. The irony of this whole ridiculously childish display was that he was driving one of those taxis with the "Best Driver" thing on top.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on September 14, 2015, 01:41:25 pm
When your "peers" are having a conversation right next in Korean regarding America, Foreigners etc... with words like urinara thrown in etc... without mentioning to you at all what they are talking about.... not knowing you understand more than you they think you do...

Also, since they ALL can speak English at some level.... (all English staff.)

I had to re-read as I was sure that wasn't an English word. 우리나라 just means Korea ultimately.

Anyway,

Personally, I do not mind it when Koreans speak in Korean in front of me. Most are not proficient enough to hold an in-depth conversations in English fluently. Speaking English can be really taxing.

What I cannot abide is when Afrikaners do it. You're here to teach, bru. You should be able to hold a conversation about most things without reverting back to your mother-tongue. So stop it.

OP is annoyed that they're blatantly talking about his country in front of him, and assuming he can't understand.  I don't think any of us expect our CTs to speak in English all the time as, I agree, it can be very taxing using your non-native tongue. 

But imagine how well it would go over if you spoke fluent Korean and worked in the Korean department of a university in an English-speaking country, and then proceeded to blatantly talk about Korea in English in front of your Korean colleagues.  They'd probably wonder what the hell you were talking about, and would find it pretty rude that you're discussing their homeland and culture in front of them without including them.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on September 14, 2015, 01:44:40 pm
Just want to vent this here, since I don't take out my anger on the road.

Driving into work today -- in no hurry because I'm just going to work -- and I need to make a right turn at a green light, problem is there is a taxi parked in the right lane/blocking the intersection, so I decide to pull around him into the left lane (after all, turning into the wrong lane is as commonplace as kimchi in Korea).

He chooses this moment to begin pulling away from the curb, so I give him a little friendly beep, just to let him know I'm there/be safe.

Well, apparently he didn't like being beeped at, because about a block later, we came to a stop (me in the left lane, him in the right, slightly behind) and he blasts his horn at me. There were no left turns at that intersection, so I was in no way blocking any move he wanted to make, he was clear to turn right, and we both had to wait to go straight. he had no signal on either way.

20 meters down the road, he comes up behind a parked van, begins turning towards me and blasts his horn at me again, as if I put the van there, or he wants me to drive into oncoming traffic just to let him squeeze by.

Just...FFS. The irony of this whole ridiculously childish display was that he was driving one of those taxis with the "Best Driver" thing on top.

The test to get your license here is a joke.  I'm shocked I don't see more accidents.  People have zero regard for any traffic or pedestrians around them and everyone drives with a me-me-me mentality.  I'm glad I've had 10 years of driving experience in big cities before I came here and can be aggressive when necessary, because I can't imagine how people cope otherwise.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: DLJL on September 14, 2015, 01:50:27 pm
PRINCIPAL!!

PRINCIPAL!!

PRIN-CI-PAL!!!!!!!

How should I respond to this post regarding pedantic, petty and irritating individuals? I'll think about it later, first I'll just point out a grammar error.
*Spelling error*
:laugh:

A spelling error would be if I said "princippal." In that instance I chose the correct word but didn't spell it correctly.

When you're dealing with homophones and you use the incorrect of the two that would be a grammar error; the language usage was incorrect, not its construction.

YAY BEING A SNARK ON THE INTERNET


Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: country09 on September 14, 2015, 01:58:10 pm
Just want to vent this here, since I don't take out my anger on the road.

Driving into work today -- in no hurry because I'm just going to work -- and I need to make a right turn at a green light, problem is there is a taxi parked in the right lane/blocking the intersection, so I decide to pull around him into the left lane (after all, turning into the wrong lane is as commonplace as kimchi in Korea).

He chooses this moment to begin pulling away from the curb, so I give him a little friendly beep, just to let him know I'm there/be safe.

Well, apparently he didn't like being beeped at, because about a block later, we came to a stop (me in the left lane, him in the right, slightly behind) and he blasts his horn at me. There were no left turns at that intersection, so I was in no way blocking any move he wanted to make, he was clear to turn right, and we both had to wait to go straight. he had no signal on either way.

20 meters down the road, he comes up behind a parked van, begins turning towards me and blasts his horn at me again, as if I put the van there, or he wants me to drive into oncoming traffic just to let him squeeze by.

Just...FFS. The irony of this whole ridiculously childish display was that he was driving one of those taxis with the "Best Driver" thing on top.

Brake checked a taxi who was staying way to close behind and flashing his lights at me. I was already going above the speed limit and he wanted me to go faster on a one lane road. He then continued to follow me for the next ~5 kilometers. He was honking through out the first couple kilometers but then gave up I guess. I know he was following because we were going to a specific place in a rural mountain area. We pull in, he pulls up to the front of the entrance of the parking lot stares me down and drives off. I was definitely flustered but got over it quickly because that guy has some serious problems in his life and I was about to go swimming and have a nice picnic.

For all the crazy drivers here who think they own the roads and get super enraged when you do something that they perceive as an injustice I just blow it off. Worrying about them just brings me down to their level. If you let the driving get to you in Korea you will never survive.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Kyndo on September 14, 2015, 02:11:41 pm
*Spelling error*
:laugh:
A spelling error would be if I said "princippal." In that instance I chose the correct word but didn't spell it correctly.
YAY BEING A SNARK ON THE INTERNET
You assume that I assume that you were aware of the difference!

And yes, snarks have all the fun. Much more so than the regular, run-of-the-mill grammatical fascists.  :wink:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: atemporaryaccount on September 14, 2015, 02:26:22 pm
PRINCIPAL!!

PRINCIPAL!!

PRIN-CI-PAL!!!!!!!

How should I respond to this post regarding pedantic, petty and irritating individuals? I'll think about it later, first I'll just point out a grammar error.
*Spelling error*
:laugh:

A spelling error would be if I said "princippal." In that instance I chose the correct word but didn't spell it correctly.

When you're dealing with homophones and you use the incorrect of the two that would be a grammar error; the language usage was incorrect, not its construction.

YAY BEING A SNARK ON THE INTERNET

You're right. It's not about spelling.

But this is still not an error related to grammar.

Haha, this thread.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on September 14, 2015, 03:08:16 pm
Like I get that its Monday but if I can't sleep, neither can they. Only one class at my afternoon class today and they just did nothing! Just one obnoxious kid yelling all the answers....there's only 7 or 8 in the class. Low level 2nd grade mixed boys and girls and when they do nothing my new co-teacher is just like "ohh they are so tired"....yeah? me too! so what?!...so happy classes  are done today. On the plus side, my morning 6 grade classes that are usually hell were pretty decent.... beside the technology fail the morning was decent.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: tamjen on September 15, 2015, 11:48:40 am
I have to bow and greet my principle and vice principle every day, and any time I see them in the hall, as I hear a lot of other teachers have to do. I end up seeing my principle six or seven times a day just around the school and bow/greet every time. Every single time he just dead-pans straight ahead and doesn't even acknowledge that I exist.

One time I walked through a busy area of the school and missed him, totally by accident. He called my co-teacher the next day and complained that I did not bow. I'd bowed to him about six times that day already.

Students also wave and shout hello at me in the halls. I wave and say hello back. He called to complain that he has seen me waving and I should be bowing. Waving is not korean.

Another time I bowed to him, the vice principle and another teacher who were all stood talking together. He called my co-teacher and complained that I bowed to the three of them collectively and should have bowed to him individually.

Today he called my co-teacher to complain that I bowed to him too deeply while he was standing next to parents and I made it look as if he is a difficult man who demands deep bows from his teachers.

BOWING POLITICS



PRINCIPAL!!

PRINCIPAL!!

PRIN-CI-PAL!!!!!!!

How should I respond to this post regarding pedantic, petty and irritating individuals? I'll think about it later, first I'll just point out a grammar error.

Not a grammar error.

Haha, pedant joke.

I don't bow to anybody. I never have and I never will. In my opinion it has nothing to do with respect and everything to do with subservience and this post proves it.

If bowing was all about, and only about, respecy, everyone would bow to everyone else in the exact same way. But, we all know, that isn't they way it works. Not even close.

I shake hands. Like a Westerner, a short and firm shake. I shake hands the same way I have shaken hands with a homeless person and the CEO of a company or the Premier of the province I lived in. That shows respect, not subservience.

Bowing??? Fuhgeddaboutit
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Nick P on September 15, 2015, 11:59:45 am
How's everyone's lunch today? Is it famous? Delicious? Famous AND Delicious? NOT famous? NOT delicious? Neither famous nor delicious? These are your only options.

We were walking to the bar after dinner on Saturday with a friend who teaches at the local university. We passed one of his higher level students and they struck up a conversation. "Hi *name* what's good to eat around here? (future reference/small talk)" and the answer to my friend's question was verbatim: "This is not good place for foreigners because foreigners can't eat spicy or salty food." much laughter from the three of us. The student then nods toward a nearby place and says "This place is famous for delicious!" We all fell down and died. We are dead now. This post coming from the Korean grave. After this, my friend explained how often he has spoken to this student about food and foreigners and stuff.

My lunch was so famous, you guys!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Imogen1991 on September 15, 2015, 12:03:42 pm
i had the very famous delicious whole crab claw in a bowl of water
hooray


*runs to mcdonalds*
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on September 15, 2015, 01:04:08 pm
Im so happy today as my one school left with squat toilets are getting them replaced with normal ones! Whoop! ;D
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: taingray on September 15, 2015, 03:17:40 pm
Since I've been in Korea I've become pretty obsessive about germs, especially in bathrooms. The bathrooms at my school are absolutely filthy.

Whenever I use the toilet at school, I always pre-flush; that is, I always flush it BEFORE I go as well as after because there is always, ALWAYS pee/poop in there from whoever used it before. Seriously, no one at my school flushes or uses toilet paper (they don't wash their hands either but that's pretty much a given). I know this because I routinely see even teachers going in there sans tissue and they just walk out without washing after. Well, one day last week I pre-flushed and the nasty water immediately overflowed and splashed onto the floor and a little on my legs. I didn't notice that it was going to overflow right away because I always close the seat first to prevent splash-back. So I had to awkwardly maneuver my way out of that tiny, cramped stall to avoid stepping in more pee water as best I could, while also avoiding touching the walls and pretty much anything else in the stall. The walls, doors, everything is covered in poo smears that haven't been cleaned once in the year I've been at this school.

Anyway, after that toilet flooded, all the water seeped into the middle of the bathroom toward the drain, so of course I went downstairs to use the other bathroom. The exact same thing happened. Apparently the plumbing in the entire building is messed up. So now I have to make the trek to a completely different building that still has flushing toilets every time I have to go and it's annoying AF as I'm walking throughout the buildings carrying a giant handful of TP which I need extra of to cover the toilet seats first and/or wipe them down because they're covered in pee drops. The rage I feel...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: waygo0k on September 15, 2015, 03:50:42 pm
Since I've been in Korea I've become pretty obsessive about germs, especially in bathrooms. The bathrooms at my school are absolutely filthy.

Whenever I use the toilet at school, I always pre-flush; that is, I always flush it BEFORE I go as well as after because there is always, ALWAYS pee/poop in there from whoever used it before. Seriously, no one at my school flushes or uses toilet paper (they don't wash their hands either but that's pretty much a given). I know this because I routinely see even teachers going in there sans tissue and they just walk out without washing after. Well, one day last week I pre-flushed and the nasty water immediately overflowed and splashed onto the floor and a little on my legs. I didn't notice that it was going to overflow right away because I always close the seat first to prevent splash-back. So I had to awkwardly maneuver my way out of that tiny, cramped stall to avoid stepping in more pee water as best I could, while also avoiding touching the walls and pretty much anything else in the stall. The walls, doors, everything is covered in poo smears that haven't been cleaned once in the year I've been at this school.

Anyway, after that toilet flooded, all the water seeped into the middle of the bathroom toward the drain, so of course I went downstairs to use the other bathroom. The exact same thing happened. Apparently the plumbing in the entire building is messed up. So now I have to make the trek to a completely different building that still has flushing toilets every time I have to go and it's annoying AF as I'm walking throughout the buildings carrying a giant handful of TP which I need extra of to cover the toilet seats first and/or wipe them down because they're covered in pee drops. The rage I feel...

I didn't think women had to worry about stained seats/rims.

Seriously...how does one stain the seat if you're sitting down??? That has to be some awkward trajectory angle  :huh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: oceancloud on September 15, 2015, 04:01:33 pm
Since I've been in Korea I've become pretty obsessive about germs, especially in be they're covered in pee drops. The rage I feel...

I didn't think women had to worry about stained seats/rims.

Seriously...how does one stain the seat if you're sitting down??? That has to be some awkward trajectory angle  :huh:

Apparently, some ladies hover over the toilet.  That's where the angle comes from. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on September 15, 2015, 04:52:05 pm
"Speech" Contest Rant:

I'm pretty familiar with the stupid farce which are 'speech' contests over here. The only thing they succeed in doing is making students hate English even more. I was told about the contest a few weeks ago and my CT pretty much begged me to judge it. I go to a different school on the day of the contest so, I'd have to get that school to change their schedule, run out after my last class, rush to get a cab and rush to the contest school before it starts.

The Principal was also insisting the 3rd graders (Elementary school, who've only just started ABC) participate. In total we had 23 participants. The principal also wanted my CT and I (in other words me) to create a PPT storyboard of each of the scripts (which are based on stories). Some were familiar, such as Goldilocks, and some were too obscure to find illustrations for. Essentially I had to make PPT storyboards for 14 different stories. I mentioned to my CT that this was a lot of work, I don't think she understood what would go into finding, editing and matching quality illustrations for 14 different stories, since she's quite bad with computers and rarely creates PPTs.

After a good couple of hours of work, it was done and I sent it to my CT. The day of the speech contest was a total farce, as usual. What pissed me off was not that the principal couldn't be bothered and walked out after 5 minutes of the two hour ordeal. It was that:

A.) 3rd graders were made to sit in the hall, for 2 hours. After 15min, kids were shouting and it was
     near impossible to hear the participants, even with the help of a mic.

B.) Out of all the 8 judges, I was the only one listening to the students and putting down scores.
     The rest were just playing on their phones. I understand it's not to be taken too seriously, but
     at least put up some kind of pretence, I know that some of these kids struggled really hard to
     learn their stories and stand up and read it in front of everyone. What do you think that does to
     their confidence and motivation, when everyone else as talking and not paying attention during
     your speech.

C.) Selfishly, the worst was the fact that the careful timing of my storyboard was totally butchered
     and the slides were totally out of sync with the story. My CT had also cut out more than half of
     my slides! I went through a lot of trouble to find some clever, cute and funny (yet still
     appropriate) GIFs to spice up the boring stories so that everyone else could have something
     to be entertained by after hearing the same stories over and over again.

Every year, the bar for professionalism drops lower and lower.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on September 15, 2015, 05:13:22 pm
^^^ and whoever the Korean judges thought was the cutest won, am I correct?

So glad that the only speeches I have to listen to now are from kids doing research papers. If I ever hear another stupid ****** screed about Dokdo or bibimbap, I'll kill myself.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mercurial on September 15, 2015, 05:41:32 pm
Whenever I use the toilet at school, I always pre-flush; that is, I always flush it BEFORE I go as well as after because there is always, ALWAYS pee/poop in there from whoever used it before. Seriously, no one at my school flushes or uses toilet paper (they don't wash their hands either but that's pretty much a given). I know this because I routinely see even teachers going in there sans tissue and they just walk out without washing after.
...
The walls, doors, everything is covered in poo smears that haven't been cleaned once in the year I've been at this school.

I have exactly the same experience at my school. Not only that, but the male bathrooms are all completely without ventilation of any sort. No windows, no fans, nothing. As a result the stench from the urine-covered floors, feces-smeared walls, and festering 'waste' bins (to say nothing of the unflushed donations left by the students) creates a thick, eye-watering, stomach-churning miasma. The bathrooms have never been cleaned. Not even a token effort. At this point options are rapidly narrowing down to a tactical nuclear strike as the only viable method of cleansing that hellhole.

And in the (almost) three years that I have been at this school, I can count the number of occasions that people (including staff members) have even glanced at water and soap on one hand. After losing digits. Multiple digits.

But, of course, I'm the dirty one.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: grey on September 15, 2015, 05:49:00 pm
Lot of negativity here from the community. I'm not going to poop anyone by saying I'm not one of you all. I'd like to think I'm a grand master, or something along those lines.

I do think, like the Berenstein Bears taught me, it is important to count your blessings.

If you were Korean, you'd care about ocean rocks, fermented vegetables, and other trivial things.

We are lucky to have what we have and know what we know.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: MORGOTH_the_DarkElf on September 15, 2015, 05:50:40 pm
I do think, like the Berenstein Bears taught me, it is important to count your blessings.

BerenstAin Bears.

http://www.vice.com/read/the-berensteain-bears-conspiracy-theory-that-has-convinced-the-internet-there-are-parallel-universes
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on September 15, 2015, 08:00:32 pm
Lot of negativity here from the community. I'm not going to poop anyone by saying I'm not one of you all. I'd like to think I'm a grand master, or something along those lines.

I do think, like the Berenstein Bears taught me, it is important to count your blessings.

If you were Korean, you'd care about ocean rocks, fermented vegetables, and other trivial things.

We are lucky to have what we have and know what we know.

RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD

Read that topic and love it. Cuz for real, yo, no offense, but posts like this are annoying.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: grey on September 15, 2015, 08:15:05 pm
Lot of negativity here from the community. I'm not going to poop anyone by saying I'm not one of you all. I'd like to think I'm a grand master, or something along those lines.

I do think, like the Berenstein Bears taught me, it is important to count your blessings.

If you were Korean, you'd care about ocean rocks, fermented vegetables, and other trivial things.

We are lucky to have what we have and know what we know.

RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD

Read that topic and love it. Cuz for real, yo, no offense, but posts like this are annoying.

Read between the lines, bruh. No offence^^
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on September 15, 2015, 09:26:39 pm
Lot of negativity here from the community. I'm not going to poop anyone by saying I'm not one of you all. I'd like to think I'm a grand master, or something along those lines.

I do think, like the Berenstein Bears taught me, it is important to count your blessings.

If you were Korean, you'd care about ocean rocks, fermented vegetables, and other trivial things.

We are lucky to have what we have and know what we know.

RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD

Read that topic and love it. Cuz for real, yo, no offense, but posts like this are annoying.

Read between the lines, bruh. No offence^^

Ah, sorry. I guess your humor was a little subtle for me.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: weigookin74 on September 15, 2015, 09:40:18 pm
My rant for today:

WHY ISN'T THE KIMCHI AT GIMBAPNARA AS GOOD AS THE KIMCHI AT GIMBAP CHUNGOOK?  WHAT'S THIS D@MN WORLD COMING TO?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: taingray on September 15, 2015, 09:55:18 pm
Since I've been in Korea I've become pretty obsessive about germs, especially in bathrooms. The bathrooms at my school are absolutely filthy.

Whenever I use the toilet at school, I always pre-flush; that is, I always flush it BEFORE I go as well as after because there is always, ALWAYS pee/poop in there from whoever used it before. Seriously, no one at my school flushes or uses toilet paper (they don't wash their hands either but that's pretty much a given). I know this because I routinely see even teachers going in there sans tissue and they just walk out without washing after. Well, one day last week I pre-flushed and the nasty water immediately overflowed and splashed onto the floor and a little on my legs. I didn't notice that it was going to overflow right away because I always close the seat first to prevent splash-back. So I had to awkwardly maneuver my way out of that tiny, cramped stall to avoid stepping in more pee water as best I could, while also avoiding touching the walls and pretty much anything else in the stall. The walls, doors, everything is covered in poo smears that haven't been cleaned once in the year I've been at this school.

Anyway, after that toilet flooded, all the water seeped into the middle of the bathroom toward the drain, so of course I went downstairs to use the other bathroom. The exact same thing happened. Apparently the plumbing in the entire building is messed up. So now I have to make the trek to a completely different building that still has flushing toilets every time I have to go and it's annoying AF as I'm walking throughout the buildings carrying a giant handful of TP which I need extra of to cover the toilet seats first and/or wipe them down because they're covered in pee drops. The rage I feel...

I didn't think women had to worry about stained seats/rims.

Seriously...how does one stain the seat if you're sitting down??? That has to be some awkward trajectory angle  :huh:

I'm guessing the girls are standing on the seats and squatting, because it's not just a droplet or two... The entire seat will often be covered in pee spray.  :sad:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: waygo0k on September 15, 2015, 11:58:01 pm
If they're squatting over the toilets that means they're most probably wearing shoes on the f**king rim/seat!!! :huh:

As a general rule, I don't go to public (and school) bathrooms without wet wipes and alcohol gel/spray...I generally give the aforementioned toilet parts a good wipe down before doing a healthy no. 2

I recommend you do the same.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on September 16, 2015, 07:43:25 am
I'm guessing the girls are standing on the seats and squatting, because it's not just a droplet or two... The entire seat will often be covered in pee spray.  :sad:
This is one of those rare moments where I actually appreciate squat toilets, as nasty as they smell.

My rant of the day:
M*THERF*CKING VIRUS CHASER.  I downloaded Revo Uninstaller and got rid of this initially, but either the tech guy re-installs it regularly (not sure when) or it auto-installs somehow after a reboot.  It is the bane of my existence and is now password-protected too.  I wish I had the tech savvy I did back in high school to go in manually in safe mode and rip it out by hand.  F*cking Virus Chaser.

On the bright side, I did seem to successfully get rid of GenianPC.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on September 16, 2015, 08:07:05 am
At my middle school is make-up and booger smeared all over the stalls of the bathroom walls. Its disgusting. The students clean the school but they NEVER clean the toilet!  :huh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on September 16, 2015, 08:08:15 am
My rant of the day:
M*THERF*CKING VIRUS CHASER.  I downloaded Revo Uninstaller and got rid of this initially, but either the tech guy re-installs it regularly (not sure when) or it auto-installs somehow after a reboot.  It is the bane of my existence and is now password-protected too.  I wish I had the tech savvy I did back in high school to go in manually in safe mode and rip it out by hand.  F*cking Virus Chaser.


Makes me even more grateful that my new school just has teachers take laptops from classroom to classroom and hook up to projectors or big screens via HDMI or VGA, rather than having computers in every room. I bring my own kickass gaming laptop, and they didn't require me to install any security nonsense on it. Best of all, everything on it is in English!

Oops, this is a rant thread...

Um...

Grrrr, sometimes the GS25 is out of the triangle kimbap I like when I go there after work! Anger!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on September 16, 2015, 08:14:09 am
My rant of the day:
M*THERF*CKING VIRUS CHASER.  I downloaded Revo Uninstaller and got rid of this initially, but either the tech guy re-installs it regularly (not sure when) or it auto-installs somehow after a reboot.  It is the bane of my existence and is now password-protected too.  I wish I had the tech savvy I did back in high school to go in manually in safe mode and rip it out by hand.  F*cking Virus Chaser.


Makes me even more grateful that my new school just has teachers take laptops from classroom to classroom and hook up to projectors or big screens via HDMI or VGA, rather than having computers in every room. I bring my own kickass gaming laptop, and they didn't require me to install any security nonsense on it. Best of all, everything on it is in English!

Oops, this is a rant thread...

Um...

Grrrr, sometimes the GS25 is out of the triangle kimbap I like when I go there after work! Anger!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Fortunately they installed the English version of Windows on my computer, though MS Office is all in Korean.  Not really an issue as I can still navigate it and make most of my heavier PowerPoints at home. The fact that someone is trying to police my computer usage because everyone else is a moron when it comes to technology just pisses me off though. >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on September 16, 2015, 08:19:04 am
Yeah, over the past three and a half years I became rather proficient at navigating powerpoint in Korean, but it's still awesome being able to use it in English all the time now. Not only that, but it'll always be the same computer and the same version of powerpoint, so I don't have to worry about an animation working on one class' computer but not on another one that has an older version of Office installed.

Plus now I'll be able to play Skyrim when I'm deskwarming...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: TeresaD on September 16, 2015, 01:21:20 pm
But if it was BerenstAin, and it always was BerenstAin, then surely we wouldn't remember it with an E. I mean if we're in a parallel universe, where it's spelled BerenstAin, wouldn't we remember it with an A?

If someone had a photo from their childhood, of themselves reading one of those books, then the book in the photo would read BerenstEin, would it not? And if it didn't, if it read BerenstAin, then we wouldn't be having this crisis, because we would have always remembered it with an A.

Maybe I don't understand parallel universes correctly.  :huh:

Coincidentally, I was reading one these books just yesterday as the school I was at has a whole collection of them. Having read them as a kid, I was super excited. I looked at the "Berenstain" and for a half second was like, "What? It's Berenstein, isn't it?!?" It kind of niggled at me inside my brain, but I let it go. Now I hear there is another parallel universe to consider.  :laugh: I can barely keep track of my own timeline...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on September 21, 2015, 10:07:23 am
Traveled this last weekend.

Mentioned how there were a ton of Chinese tourist.

CT goes on rant bad mouthing Chinese, how they are loud and dirty or something...


After hearing that, I decided to chime in on the part of the trip where:

Korean gets on the bus, instantly starts talking on his phone loud as hell, and SPITS ON THE BUS FLOOR!

Then on the way home, on the train, the train gets delayed because a man was so WASTED HE PASSED OUT ON THE FLOOR, and they had to come drag him out...

she gives me a face as if I am making it all up or something....


yeah...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on September 21, 2015, 11:56:19 am
So I started a thread on Friday to allow us a decent fighting pit that the more pugnacious among us can go to instead of derailing other threads. Fun was had, questions were asked, arguments were put forth, tentative steps towards friendship were taken over some terrible Australian pop music. All in a good thread for dogs that like a scrap and one obvious to avoid for the sensible folk.

I returned to work full of trepidation. I had read a few articles on xojane and everdayfeminism and was ready to do battle with consenting enemies. Alternatively I could elaborate on my tales of Berber lovers. My hopes were to be brutally dashed on the rocks of censorship.

Over the weekend a moderator swooped down like a shrike and callously locked the thread down. Only one vague warning was given. What personal attacks? Many statements were attacked but that's it. The worse is the claim that the subject above had been discussed. What subject? The thread touched on feminism, racism, fictional childhoods, perceptions in Korea and many more. Also, why is it the worse crime on earth to discuss something twice?

Seriously mods, why on earth do you lock down threads for flimsy reasons. What makes you think that is your role in life? Why does unfettered discussion among adults bother you so much? Is this forum some sort of online version of the Stanford Prison Experiments? Is Arsalan trying to prove that power is inevitably abused?

Maybe the primary stakeholders in this website should have a chat as to what this site is for. If you want to make it a place simply for expat advice and teaching resources then say so and make it so. Close down the Open Discussion and the Newsroom. If you allow people a venue to express themselves then don't get huffy when they use it.

Maybe this is a sign of my age. I guess I can't shake the idea that debate and free expression are good things and censorship is bad. Do you under 30's prefer comfort to challenge? Does free speech mean little to you?

Anyways, just needed to rant.


Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on September 21, 2015, 12:27:14 pm
another thread locked, huh? i wonder how the mods would cope if they ability to lock threads was removed. maybe they'd actually have to start doing some actual moderating.

this is why i previously proposed a system where people vote for mods. unfortunately Arsalan seems to make some strange choices when it comes to who to make a moderator.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on September 21, 2015, 12:28:43 pm
So I started a thread on Friday to allow us a decent fighting pit that the more pugnacious among us can go to instead of derailing other threads. Fun was had, questions were asked, arguments were put forth, tentative steps towards friendship were taken over some terrible Australian pop music. All in a good thread for dogs that like a scrap and one obvious to avoid for the sensible folk.

I returned to work full of trepidation. I had read a few articles on xojane and everdayfeminism and was ready to do battle with consenting enemies. Alternatively I could elaborate on my tales of Berber lovers. My hopes were to be brutally dashed on the rocks of censorship.

Over the weekend a moderator swooped down like a shrike and callously locked the thread down. Only one vague warning was given. What personal attacks? Many statements were attacked but that's it. The worse is the claim that the subject above had been discussed. What subject? The thread touched on feminism, racism, fictional childhoods, perceptions in Korea and many more. Also, why is it the worse crime on earth to discuss something twice?

Seriously mods, why on earth do you lock down threads for flimsy reasons. What makes you think that is your role in life? Why does unfettered discussion among adults bother you so much? Is this forum some sort of online version of the Stanford Prison Experiments? Is Arsalan trying to prove that power is inevitably abused?

Maybe the primary stakeholders in this website should have a chat as to what this site is for. If you want to make it a place simply for expat advice and teaching resources then say so and make it so. Close down the Open Discussion and the Newsroom. If you allow people a venue to express themselves then don't get huffy when they use it.

Maybe this is a sign of my age. I guess I can't shake the idea that debate and free expression are good things and censorship is bad. Do you under 30's prefer comfort to challenge? Does free speech mean little to you?

Anyways, just needed to rant.

Hey man, keep it down. You'll get my ranting thread shut down.  :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChrisKorea on September 22, 2015, 07:29:31 am
Oh god: I hear foil unwrapping, and out of the corner of my eye I can see the teachers massing at the table by the sink. This means someone has brought a food item, which means I will be expected to engage in a social interaction. I am trying not to look directly in that direction, stay focused on this writing, so that people will think I am busy, but nevertheless, I know that after a few minutes, if I do not go over, a teacher, usually the Farting Teacher, will come over and say, we are having rice cakes, will you join us? And of course I can’t say no, so I will have to get up and go and stand around awkwardly while people speak in Korean. I used to like that, the way I had no way of communicating with anyone, because it meant I really didn’t have to, but now even the effort of standing there and pretending to enjoy myself is trying. Why can’t I be by myself? And of course, the Farting Teacher will say “Do you know traditional Korean rice cakes?”, the same f*cking thing he says every f*cking week we have f*cking traditional Korean rice cakes, and I just smile and nod, and he looks amazed and communicates in Korean my knowledge of rice cakes to the other teachers, and they look amazed, and I have to stand there while they stare at me and pretend to enjoy this sticky flavourless mass the consistency of thickened spooge.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Nick P on September 22, 2015, 07:49:19 am
Koreans aren't loud and they NEVER yell down hallways in buildings so poorly insulated they have the acoustics of a tile bathroom and i certainly didn't have to go yell at a neighbor and police officer at 3am. It's good to be a foreigner when your presence plus a small amount of targeted Korean will stun them shut.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on September 22, 2015, 08:33:38 am
Oh god: I hear foil unwrapping, and out of the corner of my eye I can see the teachers massing at the table by the sink. This means someone has brought a food item, which means I will be expected to engage in a social interaction. I am trying not to look directly in that direction, stay focused on this writing, so that people will think I am busy, but nevertheless, I know that after a few minutes, if I do not go over, a teacher, usually the Farting Teacher, will come over and say, we are having rice cakes, will you join us? And of course I can’t say no, so I will have to get up and go and stand around awkwardly while people speak in Korean. I used to like that, the way I had no way of communicating with anyone, because it meant I really didn’t have to, but now even the effort of standing there and pretending to enjoy myself is trying. Why can’t I be by myself? And of course, the Farting Teacher will say “Do you know traditional Korean rice cakes?”, the same f*cking thing he says every f*cking week we have f*cking traditional Korean rice cakes, and I just smile and nod, and he looks amazed and communicates in Korean my knowledge of rice cakes to the other teachers, and they look amazed, and I have to stand there while they stare at me and pretend to enjoy this sticky flavourless mass the consistency of thickened spooge.

I can't tell you the immense joy I have when I tell people 'No, thank you, I don't like kimchi/rice cakes/bibimbap/Paris Baguette/Tous Le Jours or your sh*tty grass tea.'
After 2 years of being almost bullied into ingesting this stuff and having every Korean watching in silence and awe as I take a bite/sip and feign approval, like I'm some kind of circus act, I reached breaking point.

After the initial shock and 'Oh, it must be too spicy for you.' 'No, I just don't like it.'
No pretences, just 'No, I don't like it.'

They've stopped offering and talk amongst themselves, in Korean, of how I don't like rice cakes... It's pathetic, because as you've said, a large amount of Koreans don't like it either, they just smile and accept it. Odds are, at least 2 of them in the group don't like it either, but will continue to prattle on how they can't understand how I don't like it... utterly pathetic.
I go to 5 schools a week, so if things get too awkward (for them at least, I've stopped caring) I just go to the next school and don't see them till next week.

These days, I feel a bit like the protagonist in the the final scene of 'Office Space'... F*ckin' A!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: YoungMin on September 22, 2015, 09:04:53 am
Do headphones exist in Korea? Would they make an appropriate Chuseok gift for the teacher in my office that insists on blasting out whatever obnoxiously loud tripe she can find on the internet that day from her computer speakers in the office?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Schellib39 on September 22, 2015, 09:43:35 am
Was just in class teaching a lesson about opinions. The first thing that I taught to them that there is no right or wrong answer, that it is important to be able to have a reason for believeing what you do and that it is important to respect other people's opinions....here is what followed:

One student asks me about Dokdo, I reply that I don't have an opinion on the matter. Before long, all of the students are up in arms insisting that Dokdo does indeed belong to Korea. I again state that I don't have an opinion on the matter. Students keep insisting that it is Korea's island. I ask them why.....their answer: because it belongs to Korea. :rolleyes: (note I really have no opinion on the matter but found it strange that there wasn't anyone that could explain to me why it belongs to Korea.)

I then say that I think it is strange to eat live octopus...as expected, the majority of students insisted that it was indeed delicious and that it was not strange in the slightest way. I ask them if they thought eating Rocky Mountain oysters (cow testicles) was strange, as that would be more common than eating live octopus where I come from. The students and teachers say that it is gross and insist that it is completely weird to even think of eating them. I then ask them if any of them have ever tried it and of course nobody has, but they still insist that it is disgusting and strange.

So much for trying to teach a lesson in Korea about having an opinion and respecting that other people may have differing opinions. Oh Korea...... :undecided: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on September 22, 2015, 09:48:35 am
Oh god: I hear foil unwrapping, and out of the corner of my eye I can see the teachers massing at the table by the sink. This means someone has brought a food item, which means I will be expected to engage in a social interaction. I am trying not to look directly in that direction, stay focused on this writing, so that people will think I am busy, but nevertheless, I know that after a few minutes, if I do not go over, a teacher, usually the Farting Teacher, will come over and say, we are having rice cakes, will you join us? And of course I can’t say no, so I will have to get up and go and stand around awkwardly while people speak in Korean. I used to like that, the way I had no way of communicating with anyone, because it meant I really didn’t have to, but now even the effort of standing there and pretending to enjoy myself is trying. Why can’t I be by myself? And of course, the Farting Teacher will say “Do you know traditional Korean rice cakes?”, the same f*cking thing he says every f*cking week we have f*cking traditional Korean rice cakes, and I just smile and nod, and he looks amazed and communicates in Korean my knowledge of rice cakes to the other teachers, and they look amazed, and I have to stand there while they stare at me and pretend to enjoy this sticky flavourless mass the consistency of thickened spooge.

I can't tell you the immense joy I have when I tell people 'No, thank you, I don't like kimchi/rice cakes/bibimbap/Paris Baguette/Tous Le Jours or your sh*tty grass tea.'
After 2 years of being almost bullied into ingesting this stuff and having every Korean watching in silence and awe as I take a bite/sip and feign approval, like I'm some kind of circus act, I reached breaking point.

After the initial shock and 'Oh, it must be too spicy for you.' 'No, I just don't like it.'
No pretences, just 'No, I don't like it.'

They've stopped offering and talk amongst themselves, in Korean, of how I don't like rice cakes... It's pathetic, because as you've said, a large amount of Koreans don't like it either, they just smile and accept it. Odds are, at least 2 of them in the group don't like it either, but will continue to prattle on how they can't understand how I don't like it... utterly pathetic.
I go to 5 schools a week, so if things get too awkward (for them at least, I've stopped caring) I just go to the next school and don't see them till next week.

These days, I feel a bit like the protagonist in the the final scene of 'Office Space'... F*ckin' A!

The trick is to get a reputation as a food expert and snob. I've lived in several world famous gastronomical cities and I made sure my colleagues know it. I am also vocal about what (for them) highly elaborate dish I am going to prepare later. I even once roped a co-teacher to help me score some bavette at a local butcher of good repute. I bring homemade goodies that might as well be sorcery to them

Now they know better than to invite me for anything else than fruit. I have tried everything they have offered and always wondered out loud what I could do to make it decent. If you are given a soup, mention a vegetable that would make it good. If it's a fermented dish say that it would make a great ingredient for something. Never, ever say that something is delicious even if it is. My greatest triumph a few years ago was taking over the pork belly grill, scavenging for flavorings around the table and making the food taste....well, of something. They were astonished that this was possible.

I have now reached the point where they are  mildly embarrassed at the food on offer at dinners. And rightly so. They know not to invite me to drink anywhere that doesn't serve foreign booze.

It's all about the long game. Koreans, like dogs and seals, respond well to consistent behavioral modification.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: atemporaryaccount on September 22, 2015, 09:53:45 am
Was just in class teaching a lesson about opinions. The first thing that I taught to them that there is no right or wrong answer, that it is important to be able to have a reason for believeing what you do and that it is important to respect other people's opinions....here is what followed:

One student asks me about Dokdo, I reply that I don't have an opinion on the matter. Before long, all of the students are up in arms insisting that Dokdo does indeed belong to Korea. I again state that I don't have an opinion on the matter. Students keep insisting that it is Korea's island. I ask them why.....their answer: because it belongs to Korea. :rolleyes: (note I really have no opinion on the matter but found it strange that there wasn't anyone that could explain to me why it belongs to Korea.)

I then say that I think it is strange to eat live octopus...as expected, the majority of students insisted that it was indeed delicious and that it was not strange in the slightest way. I ask them if they thought eating Rocky Mountain oysters (cow testicles) was strange, as that would be more common than eating live octopus where I come from. The students and teachers say that it is gross and insist that it is completely weird to even think of eating them. I then ask them if any of them have ever tried it and of course nobody has, but they still insist that it is disgusting and strange.

So much for trying to teach a lesson in Korea about having an opinion and respecting that other people may have differing opinions. Oh Korea...... :undecided: :rolleyes:

Did you help them develop reasons for why they believe what they believe? Or did you just keep asking them why? They need help with that.

Your lesson and the Dokdo thing seem like a good opportunity to outline the different opinions and show what the reasons are for each opinion. From that point, you can show the students that there are better answers to "Why?" than just "Dokdo is Korean."

I mean... they're kids. Of course they're bad at this stuff. I think next time don't say you have no opinion. Say my opinion doesn't matter, but here's the sides and reasons I've heard. Then let the students know if they want to participate and have an opinion, they should be equally able to list reasons. It'll take time.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on September 22, 2015, 11:41:32 am
Oh god: I hear foil unwrapping, and out of the corner of my eye I can see the teachers massing at the table by the sink. This means someone has brought a food item, which means I will be expected to engage in a social interaction. I am trying not to look directly in that direction, stay focused on this writing, so that people will think I am busy, but nevertheless, I know that after a few minutes, if I do not go over, a teacher, usually the Farting Teacher, will come over and say, we are having rice cakes, will you join us? And of course I can’t say no, so I will have to get up and go and stand around awkwardly while people speak in Korean. I used to like that, the way I had no way of communicating with anyone, because it meant I really didn’t have to, but now even the effort of standing there and pretending to enjoy myself is trying. Why can’t I be by myself? And of course, the Farting Teacher will say “Do you know traditional Korean rice cakes?”, the same f*cking thing he says every f*cking week we have f*cking traditional Korean rice cakes, and I just smile and nod, and he looks amazed and communicates in Korean my knowledge of rice cakes to the other teachers, and they look amazed, and I have to stand there while they stare at me and pretend to enjoy this sticky flavourless mass the consistency of thickened spooge.

I can't tell you the immense joy I have when I tell people 'No, thank you, I don't like kimchi/rice cakes/bibimbap/Paris Baguette/Tous Le Jours or your sh*tty grass tea.'
After 2 years of being almost bullied into ingesting this stuff and having every Korean watching in silence and awe as I take a bite/sip and feign approval, like I'm some kind of circus act, I reached breaking point.

After the initial shock and 'Oh, it must be too spicy for you.' 'No, I just don't like it.'
No pretences, just 'No, I don't like it.'

They've stopped offering and talk amongst themselves, in Korean, of how I don't like rice cakes... It's pathetic, because as you've said, a large amount of Koreans don't like it either, they just smile and accept it. Odds are, at least 2 of them in the group don't like it either, but will continue to prattle on how they can't understand how I don't like it... utterly pathetic.
I go to 5 schools a week, so if things get too awkward (for them at least, I've stopped caring) I just go to the next school and don't see them till next week.

These days, I feel a bit like the protagonist in the the final scene of 'Office Space'... F*ckin' A!

The trick is to get a reputation as a food expert and snob. I've lived in several world famous gastronomical cities and I made sure my colleagues know it. I am also vocal about what (for them) highly elaborate dish I am going to prepare later. I even once roped a co-teacher to help me score some bavette at a local butcher of good repute. I bring homemade goodies that might as well be sorcery to them

Now they know better than to invite me for anything else than fruit. I have tried everything they have offered and always wondered out loud what I could do to make it decent. If you are given a soup, mention a vegetable that would make it good. If it's a fermented dish say that it would make a great ingredient for something. Never, ever say that something is delicious even if it is. My greatest triumph a few years ago was taking over the pork belly grill, scavenging for flavorings around the table and making the food taste....well, of something. They were astonished that this was possible.

I have now reached the point where they are  mildly embarrassed at the food on offer at dinners. And rightly so. They know not to invite me to drink anywhere that doesn't serve foreign booze.

It's all about the long game. Koreans, like dogs and seals, respond well to consistent behavioral modification.

I didn't even look at who wrote this and I told myself, "This has to be englishrose."

Quote
Your lesson and the Dokdo thing seem like a good opportunity to outline the different opinions and show what the reasons are for each opinion.

I didn't even look at who wrote this and I told myself, "This has to be atemporaryaccount."
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Schellib39 on September 22, 2015, 12:24:38 pm

Did you help them develop reasons for why they believe what they believe? Or did you just keep asking them why? They need help with that.

Your lesson and the Dokdo thing seem like a good opportunity to outline the different opinions and show what the reasons are for each opinion. From that point, you can show the students that there are better answers to "Why?" than just "Dokdo is Korean."

I mean... they're kids. Of course they're bad at this stuff. I think next time don't say you have no opinion. Say my opinion doesn't matter, but here's the sides and reasons I've heard. Then let the students know if they want to participate and have an opinion, they should be equally able to list reasons. It'll take time.

Of course the goal of the lesson was in aiding the students in coming up with reasons they may have an opinion one way or the other. At the same time, I used this as a brief example in class and don't believe it is within my authority to be giving my opinion on the matter or helping the students come up with reasons for their opinions as to why it belongs to Korea.

The aim of me bringing up Dokdo was to show them how saying you have no opinion on the matter is in some instances better than giving an opinion that may offend (intended or not) many people. For example, if there were both Koreans and Japanese people present then there is nothing you could really say without offending one of them. So it would be a better idea to simply say you had no opinion in that situation.....the students wouldn't really accept this and kept pushing their opinion.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: atemporaryaccount on September 22, 2015, 12:43:04 pm

Did you help them develop reasons for why they believe what they believe? Or did you just keep asking them why? They need help with that.

Your lesson and the Dokdo thing seem like a good opportunity to outline the different opinions and show what the reasons are for each opinion. From that point, you can show the students that there are better answers to "Why?" than just "Dokdo is Korean."

I mean... they're kids. Of course they're bad at this stuff. I think next time don't say you have no opinion. Say my opinion doesn't matter, but here's the sides and reasons I've heard. Then let the students know if they want to participate and have an opinion, they should be equally able to list reasons. It'll take time.

Of course the goal of the lesson was in aiding the students in coming up with reasons they may have an opinion one way or the other. At the same time, I used this as a brief example in class and don't believe it is within my authority to be giving my opinion on the matter or helping the students come up with reasons for their opinions as to why it belongs to Korea.

The aim of me bringing up Dokdo was to show them how saying you have no opinion on the matter is in some instances better than giving an opinion that may offend (intended or not) many people. For example, if there were both Koreans and Japanese people present then there is nothing you could really say without offending one of them. So it would be a better idea to simply say you had no opinion in that situation.....the students wouldn't really accept this and kept pushing their opinion.

OK, but isn't the point to show them that having and expressing an opinion is not the same as causing offense? Like, in that room, it's possible to give an opinion in a way (good reasons, calmly, respectfully) that doesn't offend the Koreans or the Japanese? That's the lesson they all should learn.

I agree, though, depending on which level you teach, it's probably not in an English classroom that they should learn this.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on September 22, 2015, 04:33:34 pm
Ummmmm feel free to send me all of your unwanted ddeok.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on September 23, 2015, 08:05:56 am
Every Wednesday is recorder day.. I can handle that.

But now they've introduced a big drum. I think it for the end of year ceremony.

Every Wednesday morning and now every afternoon.

It's like sweet music to my ears.  :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on September 23, 2015, 08:19:09 am
This morning I ate a sweet potato accompanied by kimchi.  I don't know what's happening to me.  I don't know who I am anymore.  :huh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: country09 on September 23, 2015, 08:26:40 am
This morning I ate a sweet potato accompanied by kimchi.  I don't know what's happening to me.  I don't know who I am anymore.  :huh:

Did you mention it was cold 5-10 times before you got to work today?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on September 23, 2015, 08:27:01 am
Yesterday I saw a kid in the elevator that lives on my floor, and the ****** nerve of this kid. He didn't say hi to me or NOTHING. Just stared and biked away. I should pop his tires for that kid of korean nonsense.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on September 23, 2015, 09:26:46 am
This morning I ate a sweet potato accompanied by kimchi.  I don't know what's happening to me.  I don't know who I am anymore.  :huh:

Did you mention it was cold 5-10 times before you got to work today?

Haha, it is cold today because it's raining, but it hasn't slipped out yet.  I didn't wear a jacket today though, much less a down winter one, so maybe there's still hope...  :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: YoungMin on September 23, 2015, 09:28:22 am
This morning I ate a sweet potato accompanied by kimchi.  I don't know what's happening to me.  I don't know who I am anymore.  :huh:

Did you mention it was cold 5-10 times before you got to work today?

Haha. Classic.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on September 23, 2015, 09:31:45 am
Yesterday I saw a kid in the elevator that lives on my floor, and the ****** nerve of this kid. He didn't say hi to me or NOTHING. Just stared and biked away. I should pop his tires for that kid of korean nonsense.

When kids first see me, their eyes widen to the size of saucers and I can hear their necks creaking.  Some gasp as my shadow looms over them, smothering them as they're trapped in the confines of our claustrophobic elevator.  Some manage to squeak out a whispered "키크다..."  before the elevator reaches their floor and they can stumble backward out the door to safety.  :sad:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: aarron_boone on September 23, 2015, 10:22:34 am
Returned home to find the fridge freezer defrosted.

Nothing salvageable......no t the beef, chicken, salmon or selection of Italian cheeses in the fridge.

 :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on September 23, 2015, 10:32:45 am
Returned home to find the fridge freezer defrosted.

Nothing salvageable......no t the beef, chicken, salmon or selection of Italian cheeses in the fridge.

 :cry:

but what about the starving children in Africa?  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: aarron_boone on September 23, 2015, 11:16:36 am
Returned home to find the fridge freezer defrosted.

Nothing salvageable......no t the beef, chicken, salmon or selection of Italian cheeses in the fridge.

 :cry:

but what about the starving children in Africa?  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Let them eat cake?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 01, 2015, 08:53:38 am
Yesterday someone brought in a bunch of red bean ddeok leftover from Chuseok.  I actually like ddeok, but I typically loathe red bean.  It's not sweet and it's chalky and tastes like shit.

One of my older ajumma CTs was insisting I take some home, and I didn't want to waste an entire brick of it.  This seemed agreeable to her, but then she got to thinking...

Quote
CT: But....I don't think it's enough!
Me: Really, we don't have ddeok in foreign countries, so foreigners don't eat it often.  I live alone, so I cant eat it all and I want someone to enjoy it!
CT: Oh, really?  But....what about your breakfast?!
Me: Well, like I said, ddeok is not common in many western countries, so we usually just enjoy it like a snack.
CT: Aaaah, I see....but really, I think it's not enough...

She finally gave up and continued distributing it among the staff.  I mean, c'mon, I took some!  A younger CT I'm friends with even came up to her and started to tell her I didn't like red bean, but I waved her off and told her not to worry about it.  The ajumma CT was so wrapped up in the lack of ddeok in my diet that she didn't even hear her.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on October 01, 2015, 09:02:37 am
Yesterday someone brought in a bunch of red bean ddeok leftover from Chuseok.  I actually like ddeok, but I typically loathe red bean.  It's not sweet and it's chalky and tastes like shit.

One of my older ajumma CTs was insisting I take some home, and I didn't want to waste an entire brick of it.  This seemed agreeable to her, but then she got to thinking...

Quote
CT: But....I don't think it's enough!
Me: Really, we don't have ddeok in foreign countries, so foreigners don't eat it often.  I live alone, so I cant eat it all and I want someone to enjoy it!
CT: Oh, really?  But....what about your breakfast?!
Me: Well, like I said, ddeok is not common in many western countries, so we usually just enjoy it like a snack.
CT: Aaaah, I see....but really, I think it's not enough...

She finally gave up and continued distributing it among the staff.  I mean, c'mon, I took some!  A younger CT I'm friends with even came up to her and started to tell her I didn't like red bean, but I waved her off and told her not to worry about it.  The ajumma CT was so wrapped up in the lack of ddeok in my diet that she didn't even hear her.  :rolleyes:

To paraphrase Mitch Hedberg:

When someone gives me ddeok, it's like they're saying "Here, you throw this away."
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on October 01, 2015, 09:14:54 am
So.

Musicians are flakes.
Koreans are flakes.
Korean musicians are super-dee-duper next-level flakes.

I've been trying to make a band work for the last year and a half. I joined the band on bass, and since I joined we've gone through seven singers, four drummers, and two keyboardists. Only the guitarist and I have stuck around. In the year and a half together, we've had a complete band together long enough to play exactly one show, to an empty bar with nobody in the audience except the members of the other band that was playing that night.

Just yesterday, our most recent singer, drummer, and keyboardist all quit at the same time. When my guitarist told me about it, I couldn't tell if he was trying to tell me we should break up or go on an extended hiatus, because the only thing worse than my Korean is his English. I asked him to clarify if he meant that the band was finished, and he said "I don't know. It's up to you."

Weeeellllll I'm sick of all the nonsense, so I called it all off. I am now band-less. It just so happens that I had recently acquired programs and interfaces for doing some home recording, though, so the timing kinda works out. I'll have more time for writing and recording my own stuff, so maybe I'll be able to enjoy making music again for a change.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: YoungMin on October 01, 2015, 09:21:19 am
So.

Musicians are flakes.
Koreans are flakes.
Korean musicians are super-dee-duper next-level flakes.

I've been trying to make a band work for the last year and a half. I joined the band on bass, and since I joined we've gone through seven singers, four drummers, and two keyboardists. Only the guitarist and I have stuck around. In the year and a half together, we've had a complete band together long enough to play exactly one show, to an empty bar with nobody in the audience except the members of the other band that was playing that night.

Just yesterday, our most recent singer, drummer, and keyboardist all quit at the same time. When my guitarist told me about it, I couldn't tell if he was trying to tell me we should break up or go on an extended hiatus, because the only thing worse than my Korean is his English. I asked him to clarify if he meant that the band was finished, and he said "I don't know. It's up to you."

Weeeellllll I'm sick of all the nonsense, so I called it all off. I am now band-less. It just so happens that I had recently acquired programs and interfaces for doing some home recording, though, so the timing kinda works out. I'll have more time for writing and recording my own stuff, so maybe I'll be able to enjoy making music again for a change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBUrL7Naxt8
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on October 01, 2015, 09:48:26 am
Today during the recess time between 2nd and 3rd period there are no teachers to be found and I've gone past 3 crying kids and nobody can tell me what happened.  I literally just searched the entire school for a certain homeroom teacher and couldn't find ANY homeroom teachers. I don't HAVE a co teacher at this school. I want to smash things.  :evil:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 01, 2015, 12:00:32 pm
Today during the recess time between 2nd and 3rd period there are no teachers to be found and I've gone past 3 crying kids and nobody can tell me what happened.  I literally just searched the entire school for a certain homeroom teacher and couldn't find ANY homeroom teachers. I don't HAVE a co teacher at this school. I want to smash things.  :evil:

Aww, sad.  Did it seem related?  Usually can pick up from context what happened, especially from little kids as they have a tendency to act things out as they speak.  Did the kids try to tell you in Korean at all?  :sad:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on October 01, 2015, 12:04:14 pm
Today during the recess time between 2nd and 3rd period there are no teachers to be found and I've gone past 3 crying kids and nobody can tell me what happened.  I literally just searched the entire school for a certain homeroom teacher and couldn't find ANY homeroom teachers. I don't HAVE a co teacher at this school. I want to smash things.  :evil:

Aww, sad.  Did it seem related?  Usually can pick up from context what happened, especially from little kids as they have a tendency to act things out as they speak.  Did the kids try to tell you in Korean at all?  :sad:
The one girl and a boy were chasing each other and the girl got an elbow in the face. That's the only one I could de-code
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on October 01, 2015, 12:32:06 pm
I am the DEVIL, THE ANTI-CHRIST, THE DESTROYER OF WORLDS!!!!!

Because I questioned how the teachers monthly "teachers group" money is being spent.
You know, that money that they take out of your pay, like 20,000 a month or whatever.
You know, for a MONTHLY dinner.

Well...

CT says, "hey everyone is going hiking on Friday for a teachers group thing."

Me: "Oh, I might as well go since I am paying for it."

CT: "Oh, this is not that money, its extra money."

Me: "Wait what? How is the teachers money being spent? Don't I donate monthly to do a monthly dinner which we never have? Where is all the money going if it can't pay for the hiking trip?"

CT: "Dinners, and end of year dinner!"

Me: "But we never have dinners, and does the end of year dinner cost 12,000,000 won?!"

CT: "Oh relax, You DON"T UNDERSTAND, its for paying teachers! For gifts, and maybe if a teacher's family member dies."

Me: "I haven't received any gifts, and what happens when no one has a death in the family? It just doesn't make sense to me how we never have money for anything, out of a 12k pot. How does it only pay for just one last dinner? It doesn't add up...


CT: starts huffing and puffing, acting as if I have insulted her personally etc..... and how I am just not understanding the situation.



Oh I understand. We are getting ripped off.


That being said, I have chosen to do this, so... double edge sword. Withdrawl, everyone hates you for it and makes life more hell like. Pay, just bite your tongue and don't ask.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: atemporaryaccount on October 01, 2015, 12:37:38 pm
I am the DEVIL, THE ANTI-CHRIST, THE DESTROYER OF WORLDS!!!!!

Because I questioned how the teachers monthly "teachers group" money is being spent.
You know, that money that they take out of your pay, like 20,000 a month or whatever.
You know, for a MONTHLY dinner.

Well...

CT says, "hey everyone is going hiking on Friday for a teachers group thing."

Me: "Oh, I might as well go since I am paying for it."

CT: "Oh, this is not that money, its extra money."

Me: "Wait what? How is the teachers money being spent? Don't I donate monthly to do a monthly dinner which we never have? Where is all the money going if it can't pay for the hiking trip?"

CT: "Dinners, and end of year dinner!"

Me: "But we never have dinners, and does the end of year dinner cost 12,000,000 won?!"

CT: "Oh relax, You DON"T UNDERSTAND, its for paying teachers! For gifts, and maybe if a teacher's family member dies."

Me: "I haven't received any gifts, and what happens when no one has a death in the family? It just doesn't make sense to me how we never have money for anything, out of a 12k pot. How does it only pay for just one last dinner? It doesn't add up...


CT: starts huffing and puffing, acting as if I have insulted her personally etc..... and how I am just not understanding the situation.



Oh I understand. We are getting ripped off.


That being said, I have chosen to do this, so... double edge sword. Withdrawl, everyone hates you for it and makes life more hell like. Pay, just bite your tongue and don't ask.

My school has big dinners twice a semester. Once a semester, the few people in my office have a lunch. The other money we pay each month goes to gifts for teachers who retire every year, or teachers who get sick or get married during the year, etc. The last dinner of the year is usually pretty big and fancy. Last year, there were also like four teachers who retired.

Anyway, that's where the money goes where I'm working.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on October 01, 2015, 01:36:00 pm
Last teacher dinner I was invited to ended with Mrs. Principal- who I had never met before- interrupting my conversation with a coworker (who I often helped practice her English, at her request) to yell quite loudly at me to speak Korean when I talk to Korean people.

I never got asked to another hwaesik, and they stopped taking money out.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on October 01, 2015, 01:37:48 pm
I honestly think one of my CTs has an IQ of 10.

Today, I taught the 3rd lesson of "Do you want to (verb) (noun)?". The students know all the textbook examples by heart. The textbook has some really weird examples like 'Do you want to clean the walls?' and 'Do you want to pick up cans?'

It's the 3rd lesson of the chapter so I made an activity to learn new verbs and nouns, each student wrote one verb and one noun on separate pieces of paper. I collected the pieces of paper and put them into little piles. Randomly, I'd draw one from each pile and write the sentence on the board, 'Do you want to (verb) (noun)?'.
The first student to successfully translate the expression would get a point for their team. For the bonus round, they'd answer ('Yes, I do' or 'No, I don't')  I'd ask why and if they could answer with an appropriate adjective, I'd give them a bonus point.

example:
'Do you want to eat the PC Bang?'
(translate)
'Yes, I do?'
Why?
'It's delicious'

We had lots of weird and funny sentences and the kids did very well and got a real kick out of it.
The laughter was a clear indication that they understood the sentences, since they became
ridiculous 'Do you want to drink your teacher?'
The problem was the CT. After the first 3 sentence she looks very worried and tells me:

"Your Majesty, Aristocrat teacher, the sentences aren't in the textbook"

(what I said)
"Yes, pleb, I know. I'm trying to teach them different verbs/nouns and understanding the expression"
(what I thought)
No sh*t Sherlock, you've been watching the entire process and only figured out now that you'd
get a mix of unique sentences.

After another 2 rounds.

"Lord Aristocrat teacher, the students don't know these sentences. They aren't in the textbook, we
 haven't taught it to them"

(what I said)
Serf, They've gotten all of them right so far, lets give them a chance.
(what I thought)
Is there a bar in your little corner at the back of the class? Are you drunk? As the kids who know the answer translate correctly, the entire class listens and learns. About 70% of the class puts their hand up to translate. They're learning how to use the expression creatively.

Same story again, she tells me:

"Baron Aristocrat teacher, the students don't know these words, they aren't in the textbook"

(me)
"I know, but some of the students might have learned these words at their Academy, from T.V or somewhere else. How do you know they don't know it? They've gotten almost every sentence correct so far."

(her)
"But it's not in the textbook, we haven't taught it"

(she's new, so I decide to send her on a goose chase)
"We've learned all these words last year, I'm reviewing"

We continue having fun, learning new words and making new sentences, while (you won't believe this) she's looking through last year's textbook for the sentence 'Do you want to punch a pizza?'

She tells me she can't find it and I say, 'Oh yes, they changed the textbook, it was in last years book'. She scratching in the bookshelf for last years book, it's not there, but I seriously couldn't believe how thick this woman was.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on October 01, 2015, 01:41:12 pm
I am the DEVIL, THE ANTI-CHRIST, THE DESTROYER OF WORLDS!!!!!

Because I questioned how the teachers monthly "teachers group" money is being spent.
You know, that money that they take out of your pay, like 20,000 a month or whatever.
You know, for a MONTHLY dinner.

Well...

CT says, "hey everyone is going hiking on Friday for a teachers group thing."

Me: "Oh, I might as well go since I am paying for it."

CT: "Oh, this is not that money, its extra money."

Me: "Wait what? How is the teachers money being spent? Don't I donate monthly to do a monthly dinner which we never have? Where is all the money going if it can't pay for the hiking trip?"

CT: "Dinners, and end of year dinner!"

Me: "But we never have dinners, and does the end of year dinner cost 12,000,000 won?!"

CT: "Oh relax, You DON"T UNDERSTAND, its for paying teachers! For gifts, and maybe if a teacher's family member dies."

Me: "I haven't received any gifts, and what happens when no one has a death in the family? It just doesn't make sense to me how we never have money for anything, out of a 12k pot. How does it only pay for just one last dinner? It doesn't add up...


CT: starts huffing and puffing, acting as if I have insulted her personally etc..... and how I am just not understanding the situation.



Oh I understand. We are getting ripped off.


That being said, I have chosen to do this, so... double edge sword. Withdrawl, everyone hates you for it and makes life more hell like. Pay, just bite your tongue and don't ask.

You are the Devil, Become Death, The Grim Reaper, Bel Zebub... but you're also 20k richer every month and you're no longer wearing a giant lollipop on your head. So, every cloud...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on October 01, 2015, 02:02:26 pm
I am the DEVIL, THE ANTI-CHRIST, THE DESTROYER OF WORLDS!!!!!

Because I questioned how the teachers monthly "teachers group" money is being spent.
You know, that money that they take out of your pay, like 20,000 a month or whatever.
You know, for a MONTHLY dinner.

Well...

CT says, "hey everyone is going hiking on Friday for a teachers group thing."

Me: "Oh, I might as well go since I am paying for it."

CT: "Oh, this is not that money, its extra money."

Me: "Wait what? How is the teachers money being spent? Don't I donate monthly to do a monthly dinner which we never have? Where is all the money going if it can't pay for the hiking trip?"

CT: "Dinners, and end of year dinner!"

Me: "But we never have dinners, and does the end of year dinner cost 12,000,000 won?!"

CT: "Oh relax, You DON"T UNDERSTAND, its for paying teachers! For gifts, and maybe if a teacher's family member dies."

Me: "I haven't received any gifts, and what happens when no one has a death in the family? It just doesn't make sense to me how we never have money for anything, out of a 12k pot. How does it only pay for just one last dinner? It doesn't add up...


CT: starts huffing and puffing, acting as if I have insulted her personally etc..... and how I am just not understanding the situation.



Oh I understand. We are getting ripped off.


That being said, I have chosen to do this, so... double edge sword. Withdrawl, everyone hates you for it and makes life more hell like. Pay, just bite your tongue and don't ask.

My school has big dinners twice a semester. Once a semester, the few people in my office have a lunch. The other money we pay each month goes to gifts for teachers who retire every year, or teachers who get sick or get married during the year, etc. The last dinner of the year is usually pretty big and fancy. Last year, there were also like four teachers who retired.

Anyway, that's where the money goes where I'm working.

i've queried this in the past, got told the same thing. that extra money is spent on gifts for teachers who's family member has died; if they get married; if teachers retire; big end-of-semester dinners, etc.

if there is any left over at the end of the year you're supposed to get some money back. someone in the admin office should also be able to send you a spreadsheet with a breakdown of the expenses from this fund.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: YoungMin on October 01, 2015, 02:12:46 pm
I honestly think one of my CTs has an IQ of 10.

Today, I taught the 3rd lesson of "Do you want to (verb) (noun)?". The students know all the textbook examples by heart. The textbook has some really weird examples like 'Do you want to clean the walls?' and 'Do you want to pick up cans?'

It's the 3rd lesson of the chapter so I made an activity to learn new verbs and nouns, each student wrote one verb and one noun on separate pieces of paper. I collected the pieces of paper and put them into little piles. Randomly, I'd draw one from each pile and write the sentence on the board, 'Do you want to (verb) (noun)?'.
The first student to successfully translate the expression would get a point for their team. For the bonus round, they'd answer ('Yes, I do' or 'No, I don't')  I'd ask why and if they could answer with an appropriate adjective, I'd give them a bonus point.

example:
'Do you want to eat the PC Bang?'
(translate)
'Yes, I do?'
Why?
'It's delicious'

We had lots of weird and funny sentences and the kids did very well and got a real kick out of it.
The laughter was a clear indication that they understood the sentences, since they became
ridiculous 'Do you want to drink your teacher?'
The problem was the CT. After the first 3 sentence she looks very worried and tells me:

"Your Majesty, Aristocrat teacher, the sentences aren't in the textbook"

(what I said)
"Yes, pleb, I know. I'm trying to teach them different verbs/nouns and understanding the expression"
(what I thought)
No sh*t Sherlock, you've been watching the entire process and only figured out now that you'd
get a mix of unique sentences.

After another 2 rounds.

"Lord Aristocrat teacher, the students don't know these sentences. They aren't in the textbook, we
 haven't taught it to them"

(what I said)
Serf, They've gotten all of them right so far, lets give them a chance.
(what I thought)
Is there a bar in your little corner at the back of the class? Are you drunk? As the kids who know the answer translate correctly, the entire class listens and learns. About 70% of the class puts their hand up to translate. They're learning how to use the expression creatively.

Same story again, she tells me:

"Baron Aristocrat teacher, the students don't know these words, they aren't in the textbook"

(me)
"I know, but some of the students might have learned these words at their Academy, from T.V or somewhere else. How do you know they don't know it? They've gotten almost every sentence correct so far."

(her)
"But it's not in the textbook, we haven't taught it"

(she's new, so I decide to send her on a goose chase)
"We've learned all these words last year, I'm reviewing"

We continue having fun, learning new words and making new sentences, while (you won't believe this) she's looking through last year's textbook for the sentence 'Do you want to punch a pizza?'

She tells me she can't find it and I say, 'Oh yes, they changed the textbook, it was in last years book'. She scratching in the bookshelf for last years book, it's not there, but I seriously couldn't believe how thick this woman was.

If this is true, then it's a quality post.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 02, 2015, 02:09:20 pm
Some f*cker down the hall has been whistling non-stop for the last hour and I want to throat punch them.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jamonamagnet on October 02, 2015, 02:19:40 pm
I honestly think one of my CTs has an IQ of 10.
Tell her the dictionary was recently revised to remove the word "gullible".
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChrisKorea on October 02, 2015, 02:20:25 pm
There is some activity going on all day that involves a continuous loop of Yankee Doodle. None of the other teachers seem to mind, of course.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on October 02, 2015, 02:29:50 pm
There is some activity going on all day that involves a continuous loop of Yankee Doodle. None of the other teachers seem to mind, of course.
Bwahahahaha of all the songs. When I taught at a boys high school. The music room was right below me and the school band always practiced at lunch hour. For about 3 months they would practice the same damn song...over and over and over....It never got any better... One of the songs was some Simple Plan song... The one thing I don't particularly miss about that school hehe
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on October 06, 2015, 08:05:45 am
Contrarians, on Waygook.org.

Whenever someone starts complaining about something seemingly indefensible (Lyrics from mainstream 'hip-hop' music, Fan Death, Koreanized pizza etc.) you get a bunch of people agreeing or sharing similar stories. Then, you get some guy getting off his high horse to complain how 'narrow-minded' the complainer is and go on some moral crusade to correct our peasantry behaviour. In truth, this person is just trying to give the impression that they're smarter, more unique, more open-minded and more civilised than you.

There are exceptions to almost every rule, but ain't nobody got the time to keep mentioning it, or list every single exception just to keep these insufferable PC and contrarian blowhards happy.

What I hear from these people is,
"Het guys, can you stop complaining in the Rant/Vent thread? I don't like it."

Go create a unicorn thread then and I'll stay the hell out of it.

Don't think you get the point. I can't just go start a "Lets hate on black people" thread. There are pointless threads that have nothing to do with the forum, and this is one of them. I wouldn't go start a thread about kimchi in a photography forum.

People complain about complainers who are complaining about stupid shit.  Guess what? Get rid of the pointless complainers, and those "defenders" will disappear as well.

also, If Aristocrat feels that way, aren't you a big ol hypocrite, thinking you are better than those "contrarians" by complaining how they shouldn't be complaining about complainers?

Ranting is a part of daily life, and discussion. This forum ans a discussion board of life in Korea.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 06, 2015, 08:13:32 am
Contrarians, on Waygook.org.

Whenever someone starts complaining about something seemingly indefensible (Lyrics from mainstream 'hip-hop' music, Fan Death, Koreanized pizza etc.) you get a bunch of people agreeing or sharing similar stories. Then, you get some guy getting off his high horse to complain how 'narrow-minded' the complainer is and go on some moral crusade to correct our peasantry behaviour. In truth, this person is just trying to give the impression that they're smarter, more unique, more open-minded and more civilised than you.

There are exceptions to almost every rule, but ain't nobody got the time to keep mentioning it, or list every single exception just to keep these insufferable PC and contrarian blowhards happy.

What I hear from these people is,
"Het guys, can you stop complaining in the Rant/Vent thread? I don't like it."

Go create a unicorn thread then and I'll stay the hell out of it.

Don't think you get the point. I can't just go start a "Lets hate on black people" thread. There are pointless threads that have nothing to do with the forum, and this is one of them. I wouldn't go start a thread about kimchi in a photography forum.

People complain about complainers who are complaining about stupid shit.  Guess what? Get rid of the pointless complainers, and those "defenders" will disappear as well.

also, If Aristocrat feels that way, aren't you a big ol hypocrite, thinking you are better than those "contrarians" by complaining how they shouldn't be complaining about complainers?

Ranting is a part of daily life, and discussion. This forum ans a discussion board of life in Korea.

Digging into something 3 months into the past eh? Nothing better to do I suppose. If ranting is part of your daily life, I really do feel sorry for you :(. You must be wildly unhappy. Perhaps get a puppy? I hear those things are super cute and makes people happy.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: grey on October 06, 2015, 08:36:25 am
Contrarians, on Waygook.org.

Whenever someone starts complaining about something seemingly indefensible (Lyrics from mainstream 'hip-hop' music, Fan Death, Koreanized pizza etc.) you get a bunch of people agreeing or sharing similar stories. Then, you get some guy getting off his high horse to complain how 'narrow-minded' the complainer is and go on some moral crusade to correct our peasantry behaviour. In truth, this person is just trying to give the impression that they're smarter, more unique, more open-minded and more civilised than you.

There are exceptions to almost every rule, but ain't nobody got the time to keep mentioning it, or list every single exception just to keep these insufferable PC and contrarian blowhards happy.

What I hear from these people is,
"Het guys, can you stop complaining in the Rant/Vent thread? I don't like it."

Go create a unicorn thread then and I'll stay the hell out of it.

Don't think you get the point. I can't just go start a "Lets hate on black people" thread. There are pointless threads that have nothing to do with the forum, and this is one of them. I wouldn't go start a thread about kimchi in a photography forum.

People complain about complainers who are complaining about stupid shit.  Guess what? Get rid of the pointless complainers, and those "defenders" will disappear as well.

also, If Aristocrat feels that way, aren't you a big ol hypocrite, thinking you are better than those "contrarians" by complaining how they shouldn't be complaining about complainers?

Ranting is a part of daily life, and discussion. This forum ans a discussion board of life in Korea.

Digging into something 3 months into the past eh? Nothing better to do I suppose. If ranting is part of your daily life, I really do feel sorry for you :(. You must be wildly unhappy. Perhaps get a puppy? I hear those things are super cute and makes people happy.

Meow.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 06, 2015, 10:54:11 am
WHERE DID ALL THESE TINY FUZZ-LIKE FRUIT FLIES COME FROM GET OUT!!!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Imogen1991 on October 06, 2015, 11:16:09 am
WHERE DID ALL THESE TINY FUZZ-LIKE FRUIT FLIES COME FROM GET OUT!!!!!

oh my god theyre driving me INSANE
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Action Jackson on October 06, 2015, 11:20:44 am
The health care system has got my goat this week.  I'm really irritated by the fact that family members either have to take care of their loved ones while they're in the hospital, or find and pay someone to do it if they can't.  My wife was at the hospital from the time she got off work Friday night, until the time she went to work Monday morning.  Then, because she couldn't find a helper who could come in on Monday and Tuesday, her dad is at the hospital doing the duty.  And he really can't afford to be missing work.  The only positive would be that her stay thus far hasn't bankrupted any of us yet.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 06, 2015, 11:28:29 am
WHERE DID ALL THESE TINY FUZZ-LIKE FRUIT FLIES COME FROM GET OUT!!!!!

oh my god theyre driving me INSANE

My high school has mid-terms this week, and all the other teachers in the room are off proctoring exams.  So all these little f*uckers are buzzing around MY desk and MY tea cup and MY computer and MY face because that's where the action apparently is.  >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: waygo0k on October 06, 2015, 11:37:46 am
The health care system has got my goat this week.  I'm really irritated by the fact that family members either have to take care of their loved ones while they're in the hospital, or find and pay someone to do it if they can't.  My wife was at the hospital from the time she got off work Friday night, until the time she went to work Monday morning.  Then, because she couldn't find a helper who could come in on Monday and Tuesday, her dad is at the hospital doing the duty.  And he really can't afford to be missing work.  The only positive would be that her stay thus far hasn't bankrupted any of us yet.

Isn't this the nonsense that caused the MERS outbreak in the first place? Wasn't there some public campaign to increase the number of nurses and improve hospital care ASAP?

I guess we'll have to wait till the next deadly infectious disease outbreak.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Paul on October 06, 2015, 11:44:14 am
WHERE DID ALL THESE TINY FUZZ-LIKE FRUIT FLIES COME FROM GET OUT!!!!!

They're breeding in the science-experiment-in-a-mug and raising their young on last month's ddeok-cake over in your colleague's cubicle.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 06, 2015, 11:52:36 am
WHERE DID ALL THESE TINY FUZZ-LIKE FRUIT FLIES COME FROM GET OUT!!!!!

They're breeding in the science-experiment-in-a-mug and raising their young on last month's ddeok-cake over in your colleague's cubicle.

http://www.mnn.com/health/healthy-spaces/questions/where-do-fruit-flies-come-from

SCour the floors for the dok droppings.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: dizzl on October 06, 2015, 11:56:55 am
WHERE DID ALL THESE TINY FUZZ-LIKE FRUIT FLIES COME FROM GET OUT!!!!!

They're breeding in the science-experiment-in-a-mug and raising their young on last month's ddeok-cake over in your colleague's cubicle.

I can help here! Go to Lotte Mart or somewhere and buy Apple (cider) vinegar, I find the Heinz brand from Lotte the best 'cause that stuff has a powerful odour and put about 2 or 3 drops (not squeezes) of dish washing soap into a small container and half fill with the vinegar. Put it near the bastards and watch in glee as they drown/poison themselves. Well... don't watch it takes a while but if you have cleaned and thrown away all sources of food for them they will over the course of an evening pretty much exterminate themselves. But remember not too much soap or they will realise. Good luck!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on October 06, 2015, 12:22:45 pm
Contrarians, on Waygook.org.

Whenever someone starts complaining about something seemingly indefensible (Lyrics from mainstream 'hip-hop' music, Fan Death, Koreanized pizza etc.) you get a bunch of people agreeing or sharing similar stories. Then, you get some guy getting off his high horse to complain how 'narrow-minded' the complainer is and go on some moral crusade to correct our peasantry behaviour. In truth, this person is just trying to give the impression that they're smarter, more unique, more open-minded and more civilised than you.

There are exceptions to almost every rule, but ain't nobody got the time to keep mentioning it, or list every single exception just to keep these insufferable PC and contrarian blowhards happy.

What I hear from these people is,
"Het guys, can you stop complaining in the Rant/Vent thread? I don't like it."

Go create a unicorn thread then and I'll stay the hell out of it.

Don't think you get the point. I can't just go start a "Lets hate on black people" thread. There are pointless threads that have nothing to do with the forum, and this is one of them. I wouldn't go start a thread about kimchi in a photography forum.

People complain about complainers who are complaining about stupid shit.  Guess what? Get rid of the pointless complainers, and those "defenders" will disappear as well.

also, If Aristocrat feels that way, aren't you a big ol hypocrite, thinking you are better than those "contrarians" by complaining how they shouldn't be complaining about complainers?

Ranting is a part of daily life, and discussion. This forum ans a discussion board of life in Korea.

Digging into something 3 months into the past eh? Nothing better to do I suppose. If ranting is part of your daily life, I really do feel sorry for you :(. You must be wildly unhappy. Perhaps get a puppy? I hear those things are super cute and makes people happy.

meh, I must not have been on the last thread of the page, but thought I was.

So no digging on my part.

Still though.

Plus, I thought Sejeong told us we need to read every page of all the 90 page threads to prevent re-post or something....  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Pennypie on October 06, 2015, 02:22:29 pm
WHERE DID ALL THESE TINY FUZZ-LIKE FRUIT FLIES COME FROM GET OUT!!!!!

They're breeding in the science-experiment-in-a-mug and raising their young on last month's ddeok-cake over in your colleague's cubicle.

I can help here! Go to Lotte Mart or somewhere and buy Apple (cider) vinegar, I find the Heinz brand from Lotte the best 'cause that stuff has a powerful odour and put about 2 or 3 drops (not squeezes) of dish washing soap into a small container and half fill with the vinegar. Put it near the bastards and watch in glee as they drown/poison themselves. Well... don't watch it takes a while but if you have cleaned and thrown away all sources of food for them they will over the course of an evening pretty much exterminate themselves. But remember not too much soap or they will realise. Good luck!


This is a great tip...and this one part made me chuckle so much! Thanks for making my day  :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Action Jackson on October 07, 2015, 09:44:32 am
Apparently 5 am is the ideal time to throw a bunch of scrap wood and metal into a flat bed that's been left out after they cleaned inside and around the building.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: khalavala on October 07, 2015, 10:03:29 am
Apparently 5 am is the ideal time to throw a bunch of scrap wood and metal into a flat bed that's been left out after they cleaned inside and around the building.

Yep it's also the perfect time to collect all the cans from the recycling bins to crush them and move them into another bin (while listening to loud music).
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on October 07, 2015, 10:10:53 am
Apparently 5 am is the ideal time to throw a bunch of scrap wood and metal into a flat bed that's been left out after they cleaned inside and around the building.

Yep it's also the perfect time to collect all the cans from the recycling bins to crush them and move them into another bin (while listening to loud music).

And 10pm is the perfect time for announcements on the apartment's internal PA system, Midnight is the perfect time for a furniture-throwing argument with your spouse, and 3am is the perfect time for a cigarette and a lung-hack right outside someone's open window.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: JLCutler on October 07, 2015, 10:14:50 am
Apparently 5 am is the ideal time to throw a bunch of scrap wood and metal into a flat bed that's been left out after they cleaned inside and around the building.

Yep it's also the perfect time to collect all the cans from the recycling bins to crush them and move them into another bin (while listening to loud music).

4am here. Every...single...we ekday...morning.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 07, 2015, 10:16:11 am
Apparently 5 am is the ideal time to throw a bunch of scrap wood and metal into a flat bed that's been left out after they cleaned inside and around the building.

Yep it's also the perfect time to collect all the cans from the recycling bins to crush them and move them into another bin (while listening to loud music).

And 10pm is the perfect time for announcements on the apartment's internal PA system, Midnight is the perfect time for a furniture-throwing argument with your spouse, and 3am is the perfect time for a cigarette and a lung-hack right outside someone's open window.

Oh my god, I was sick and went to bed early once this summer and they made an announcement at like 11PM.  Nearly gave me a f*cking heart attack! I'd say think of the children, but apparently children in my complex don't have bedtimes...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on October 07, 2015, 10:36:32 am
Not really a rant, but at one of my schools, whenever I'm free the cleaning lady will come into my classroom (without knocking, of course) and try to have a conversation (in Korean), at least 3 times a day. She speaks so fast, and I've gathered that it's always about something different. This has been going on since the beginning of the year and always ends with mild frustration, on both ends, and her eventually leaving with a polite greeting... Only to return later, to check if I've somehow mastered Korean in the time between now and her last visit.

What she wants, whenever she nearly gives me a heart attack whenever she barges in is a complete mystery.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: atemporaryaccount on October 07, 2015, 10:40:17 am
Turns out my school has a super-clean teachers-only bathroom. Not sure how I missed it for 20 months. The student-bathrooms are horrendous.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: The Arm on October 07, 2015, 11:00:34 am
Mid term test period at my school usually means me digging other teachers out of the holes they've dug for themselves when making the questions (and dealing with complaints about grades).

"Um, The Arm, can you explain why this can't be the right answer"

"I think it's ok because it's grammatically correct"

"Yes but it's not the right answer for this question.  Can you explain why it can't be the right answer so I can explain it to the students"

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Imogen1991 on October 07, 2015, 11:02:46 am
co teacher showing 영국남자 videos all day
kill me now
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mercurial on October 07, 2015, 11:18:21 am
co teacher showing 영국남자 videos all day
kill me now

I know how you feel. I end up having to add some vital context to his utterances and explain his sycophantic behaviour. I'm not sure it gets through though.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 07, 2015, 11:35:46 am
A teacher just walked over to the sink, turned on the water, and then left it running and walked out of the room.  Two other teachers were sitting near it got up and also left to go proctor midterms without giving it a second glance.  There weren't even any dishes or anything soaking it it, or things to wash down the sink.  WTF people?!  :huh: >:(
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: cjszk on October 07, 2015, 11:42:49 am
co teacher showing 영국남자 videos all day
kill me now

I know how you feel. I end up having to add some vital context to his utterances and explain his sycophantic behaviour. I'm not sure it gets through though.
My girlfriend likes his videos, I have no idea why but I find that he sometimes sounds really annoying. Just can't put my finger on it.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 07, 2015, 11:45:22 am
co teacher showing 영국남자 videos all day
kill me now

I know how you feel. I end up having to add some vital context to his utterances and explain his sycophantic behaviour. I'm not sure it gets through though.
My girlfriend likes his videos, I have no idea why but I find that he sometimes sounds really annoying. Just can't put my finger on it.

He has a very strange intonation (and sometimes pronunciation) to his speech patterns.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: DMZabductee on October 07, 2015, 11:48:08 am
Since it's mid-term time at middle schools I was expecting some sweet sweet deskwarming this week to catch up on... "lesson planning".

Turns out the way my schedule works at my two schools I miss out on all the free time at both places. I actually have to conduct classes, THE HORROR!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on October 07, 2015, 12:00:48 pm
co teacher showing 영국남자 videos all day
kill me now

I know how you feel. I end up having to add some vital context to his utterances and explain his sycophantic behaviour. I'm not sure it gets through though.
My girlfriend likes his videos, I have no idea why but I find that he sometimes sounds really annoying. Just can't put my finger on it.

On Monday, after I tried to get my CT to explain the bizarre obsession with 'Mukbang',  she asked whether I knew 영국남자. I'd never heard of the guy and she showed me one of his videos... The Aegyo one.
You know that thing Koreans do, when the stare at your face as you sample their culture, and watch your reaction.
My face must have graphically expressed Dante's Divine Comedy, particularly the Inferno poem, of Dante's descent into the 9 circles of hell.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Imogen1991 on October 07, 2015, 12:03:25 pm
co teacher showing 영국남자 videos all day
kill me now

I know how you feel. I end up having to add some vital context to his utterances and explain his sycophantic behaviour. I'm not sure it gets through though.
My girlfriend likes his videos, I have no idea why but I find that he sometimes sounds really annoying. Just can't put my finger on it.

On Monday, after I tried to get my CT to explain the bizarre obsession with 'Mukbang',  she asked whether I knew 영국남자. I'd never heard of the guy and she showed me one of his videos... The Aegyo one.
You know that thing Koreans do, when the stare at your face as you sample their culture, and watch your reaction.
My face must have graphically expressed Dante's Divine Comedy, particularly the Inferno poem, of Dante's descent into the 9 circles of hell.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: dragonsfiresoul on October 07, 2015, 01:08:40 pm
On Monday, after I tried to get my CT to explain the bizarre obsession with 'Mukbang',

So... how did she explain it?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Pennypie on October 07, 2015, 01:08:47 pm
Deskwarming day.

I share an office with 5 co workers. Suddenly everyone gets up, I look up expectantly....

"We are all going to Lotte Mart together to buy materials, not you, you don't need to come"

Ummmmm ok. Cos you know I wouldn't like to escape the boredom or anything  :sad:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 07, 2015, 01:15:26 pm
Deskwarming day.

I share an office with 5 co workers. Suddenly everyone gets up, I look up expectantly....

"We are all going to Lotte Mart together to buy materials, not you, you don't need to come"

Ummmmm ok. Cos you know I wouldn't like to escape the boredom or anything  :sad:

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/c86871cf9a501292ee40a3f415cf080f/tumblr_mnjq53y7lv1s5bb8ko1_500.gif)

Yesterday all my teachers cleared out at 2PM because midterms were finished for the day.  My deskmate told me she messaged my main CT asking him if I could go home, because she thought I should go too.  She said his computer was still on and he should call or message me soon.

He never did.  :sad:

I don't have a problem with staying for my expected hours of course, but I felt lonely and forgotten haha.  :laugh: .... :cry:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Pennypie on October 07, 2015, 01:19:29 pm
Aaaah that's shitty.   :huh:


Yeah I feel the same way.

I understand I'm not "one of them" but it's hard to not take it personally.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 07, 2015, 01:25:43 pm
Aaaah that's shitty.   :huh:


Yeah I feel the same way.

I understand I'm not "one of them" but it's hard to not take it personally.

My teachers are actually super inclusive, so I can't really complain.  I think he had just already gone home and she didn't know.  Figured I was better safe than sorry and just stayed.  Today though he just came and told me I can go now if I want, but I'll finish up some work first (else I'll just be unproductive at home)  :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 08, 2015, 12:21:42 pm
FIRST TO POST FOR TODAY
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 08, 2015, 12:23:44 pm
FIRST TO POST FOR TODAY

(http://i58.tinypic.com/35ioxhj.png)

AWWWWWW YYEEEAAHHH
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on October 08, 2015, 02:19:52 pm
Deskwarming day.

I share an office with 5 co workers. Suddenly everyone gets up, I look up expectantly....

"We are all going to Lotte Mart together to buy materials, not you, you don't need to come"

Ummmmm ok. Cos you know I wouldn't like to escape the boredom or anything  :sad:

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/c86871cf9a501292ee40a3f415cf080f/tumblr_mnjq53y7lv1s5bb8ko1_500.gif)

Yesterday all my teachers cleared out at 2PM because midterms were finished for the day.  My deskmate told me she messaged my main CT asking him if I could go home, because she thought I should go too.  She said his computer was still on and he should call or message me soon.

He never did.  :sad:

I don't have a problem with staying for my expected hours of course, but I felt lonely and forgotten haha.  :laugh: .... :cry:

this is when you just get up and leave without saying anything.

if anyone mentions it next week: oh, sorry, everyone else left so i thought i could as well *shrug*
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Kyndo on October 08, 2015, 02:29:13 pm
FIRST TO POST FOR TODAY

(http://i58.tinypic.com/35ioxhj.png)

AWWWWWW YYEEEAAHHH
And I was last to post. My awesome witticisms crashed Waygook! Woot!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 08, 2015, 02:53:34 pm
FIRST TO POST FOR TODAY

(http://i58.tinypic.com/35ioxhj.png)

AWWWWWW YYEEEAAHHH
And I was last to post. My awesome witticisms crashed Waygook! Woot!

I feel like all our milestones have been reached. I'm now on topic by ranting about how empty my life is now.

Bla bla My life is so meaningless now that I bla bla finished all milestones. Bla bla I bet it's Korea's fault. Bla bla I wish the ajummas did more to help me with my bucket list. Bla bla I feel like kimchi is the reason for the mold in my washroom, and the cold mornings.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on October 08, 2015, 04:09:32 pm
I love you, Tichard Rang.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Kliuchevskoi on October 08, 2015, 05:58:49 pm
I share an office with 5 co workers.

Lucky you!

 I have only one co-worker. These after-school jobs get dull pretty quickly.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Rusty Brown on October 08, 2015, 06:45:49 pm
Browsing Shutterstock for a vector graphic that expresses 'empire' and I came across this:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Kyndo on October 09, 2015, 12:56:04 pm
Browsing Shutterstock for a vector graphic that expresses 'empire' and I came across this:
Well, to be fair, Korea WAS part of an empire once upon a time.  :wink:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on October 12, 2015, 08:47:56 am
WE ARE TEACHING ENGLISH!! NOT KOREAN, STOP TRYING TO MAKE ENGLISH KOREAN!!!! WTF ****!!!


Seriously, if you asked me the word for something in English, and then I tell, but it's not what you expected :rolleyes: don't make a ****** cringe face at me and say, "I don't know, that's not what we would say in Korean...." SORRY BITCH, THERE IS NO SPECIAL WORD WE USE!!!!

WHY THE **** do the textbooks constantly teach about Korea, and urinara BS in English? Learn about some western culture using the western language, MAYBE, JUST ****** MAYBE, the kids might find learning a bit more interesting...

OKAY CLASS, TODAY"S VOCABULARY!!! HANGWA, HANBOK, PANSORI, YUNNORI!!!! GOOD ****** JOB!!!!

Stop asking AFTER THE ****** FACT, if you grammar or whatever is correct, or my advice on something, only to say YOU ALREADY ****** TAUGHT IT THE WRONG WAY, SO THAT"S WHAT WE HAVE TO TEACH! It's WRONG you ****** Dimwit!!!!!

"Well, I don't know, are you sure Tom can't be a girls name, because I already made the picture card..." A:JDAKJSDKAJSHDLKJEOJ LDC:SLKJFEOIF


I need one of those Irish horse leg-chopper swords or whatever, so I can end swing along the same plane as the shitty half-wall cubicle dividers and take everyone's head at once!

ARRRRGHHHH!!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: khalavala on October 12, 2015, 08:57:30 am
Yes, have a shouting match about garbage at 7am in the morning on a Sunday why don't you. Got my phone out to record it but by the time I did so they stopped.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jamienottingham on October 12, 2015, 09:23:09 am
Trim the bushes in the park outside my room at 7:30 with chainsaws on a Sunday morning, went out and they worked for the city council, so didn't give a f***
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on October 12, 2015, 09:37:06 am
WE ARE TEACHING ENGLISH!! NOT KOREAN, STOP TRYING TO MAKE ENGLISH KOREAN!!!! WTF ****!!!


Seriously, if you asked me the word for something in English, and then I tell, but it's not what you expected :rolleyes: don't make a ****** cringe face at me and say, "I don't know, that's not what we would say in Korean...." SORRY BITCH, THERE IS NO SPECIAL WORD WE USE!!!!

WHY THE **** do the textbooks constantly teach about Korea, and urinara BS in English? Learn about some western culture using the western language, MAYBE, JUST ****** MAYBE, the kids might find learning a bit more interesting...

OKAY CLASS, TODAY"S VOCABULARY!!! HANGWA, HANBOK, PANSORI, YUNNORI!!!! GOOD ****** JOB!!!!

Stop asking AFTER THE ****** FACT, if you grammar or whatever is correct, or my advice on something, only to say YOU ALREADY ****** TAUGHT IT THE WRONG WAY, SO THAT"S WHAT WE HAVE TO TEACH! It's WRONG you ****** Dimwit!!!!!

"Well, I don't know, are you sure Tom can't be a girls name, because I already made the picture card..." A:JDAKJSDKAJSHDLKJEOJ LDC:SLKJFEOIF


I need one of those Irish horse leg-chopper swords or whatever, so I can end swing along the same plane as the shitty half-wall cubicle dividers and take everyone's head at once!

ARRRRGHHHH!!!
You need a vacation it seems. 
I know its easier said than done, but don't let it get to you. Yes its bullshit. The textbooks are dumb and the co-teachers are dumber. We all know it. Maybe you should try to get a job teaching older kids or adults where you don't have to use a textbook and get to do things all your way. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on October 12, 2015, 09:40:47 am
WE ARE TEACHING ENGLISH!! NOT KOREAN, STOP TRYING TO MAKE ENGLISH KOREAN!!!! WTF ****!!!


Seriously, if you asked me the word for something in English, and then I tell, but it's not what you expected :rolleyes: don't make a ****** cringe face at me and say, "I don't know, that's not what we would say in Korean...." SORRY BITCH, THERE IS NO SPECIAL WORD WE USE!!!!

WHY THE **** do the textbooks constantly teach about Korea, and urinara BS in English? Learn about some western culture using the western language, MAYBE, JUST ****** MAYBE, the kids might find learning a bit more interesting...

OKAY CLASS, TODAY"S VOCABULARY!!! HANGWA, HANBOK, PANSORI, YUNNORI!!!! GOOD ****** JOB!!!!

Stop asking AFTER THE ****** FACT, if you grammar or whatever is correct, or my advice on something, only to say YOU ALREADY ****** TAUGHT IT THE WRONG WAY, SO THAT"S WHAT WE HAVE TO TEACH! It's WRONG you ****** Dimwit!!!!!

"Well, I don't know, are you sure Tom can't be a girls name, because I already made the picture card..." A:JDAKJSDKAJSHDLKJEOJ LDC:SLKJFEOIF


I need one of those Irish horse leg-chopper swords or whatever, so I can end swing along the same plane as the shitty half-wall cubicle dividers and take everyone's head at once!

ARRRRGHHHH!!!

At my first hagwon, we had some writing assignments and the kids would ask for the most specific instances. "Teacher, what's the word for when you forgot to do your homework and then your dad gets angry and doesn't give you dessert?"

There's no word for that. You just have to write it exactly like you just described it to me.

"Teacher, I'm pretty sure there's a word for that. There's one in Korean."

Then they look at you like your English sucks because you don't know the word.

Oi vey.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: khalavala on October 12, 2015, 01:35:36 pm
WE ARE TEACHING ENGLISH!! NOT KOREAN, STOP TRYING TO MAKE ENGLISH KOREAN!!!! WTF ****!!!


Seriously, if you asked me the word for something in English, and then I tell, but it's not what you expected :rolleyes: don't make a ****** cringe face at me and say, "I don't know, that's not what we would say in Korean...." SORRY BITCH, THERE IS NO SPECIAL WORD WE USE!!!!

WHY THE **** do the textbooks constantly teach about Korea, and urinara BS in English? Learn about some western culture using the western language, MAYBE, JUST ****** MAYBE, the kids might find learning a bit more interesting...

OKAY CLASS, TODAY"S VOCABULARY!!! HANGWA, HANBOK, PANSORI, YUNNORI!!!! GOOD ****** JOB!!!!

Stop asking AFTER THE ****** FACT, if you grammar or whatever is correct, or my advice on something, only to say YOU ALREADY ****** TAUGHT IT THE WRONG WAY, SO THAT"S WHAT WE HAVE TO TEACH! It's WRONG you ****** Dimwit!!!!!

"Well, I don't know, are you sure Tom can't be a girls name, because I already made the picture card..." A:JDAKJSDKAJSHDLKJEOJ LDC:SLKJFEOIF


I need one of those Irish horse leg-chopper swords or whatever, so I can end swing along the same plane as the shitty half-wall cubicle dividers and take everyone's head at once!

ARRRRGHHHH!!!

'Teacher, please teach us in Hangul.'
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: DireneedofDrPepper on October 12, 2015, 02:15:08 pm


At my first hagwon, we had some writing assignments and the kids would ask for the most specific instances. "Teacher, what's the word for when you forgot to do your homework and then your dad gets angry and doesn't give you dessert?"

There's no word for that. You just have to write it exactly like you just described it to me.

"Teacher, I'm pretty sure there's a word for that. There's one in Korean."

Then they look at you like your English sucks because you don't know the word.

Oi vey.
[/quote]

Did they mean "punishment"?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on October 12, 2015, 03:20:22 pm
Today I played a game with my students that involved answering questions for which they were rewarded with points, or given a challenge to complete. I tried to make the challenges easy and/or goofy, to keep things light and not make things too hard.

One of the challenges was to sing the ABC song. Easy peasy, right? After all, the class in question was a middle school 3rd grade class. Surely after seven years of English education, they'll all be able to sing the ABC song.

Oh ho ho, Mister Tim, not so fast! One mustn't make such assumptions!

On the team that received that particular challenge, every single student was either unable to correctly sing (or even just recite) the entire alphabet, or completely unwilling to sing because they're too cool for that sort of thing.

I'd even have settled for a terribly sung konglish version, with its Eppoos, Aychees, and Bwees, but it was not to be.

Sigh.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 12, 2015, 03:59:39 pm
Today I played a game with my students that involved answering questions for which they were rewarded with points, or given a challenge to complete. I tried to make the challenges easy and/or goofy, to keep things light and not make things too hard.

One of the challenges was to sing the ABC song. Easy peasy, right? After all, the class in question was a middle school 3rd grade class. Surely after seven years of English education, they'll all be able to sing the ABC song.

Oh ho ho, Mister Tim, not so fast! One mustn't make such assumptions!

On the team that received that particular challenge, every single student was either unable to correctly sing (or even just recite) the entire alphabet, or completely unwilling to sing because they're too cool for that sort of thing.

I'd even have settled for a terribly sung konglish version, with its Eppoos, Aychees, and Bwees, but it was not to be.

Sigh.

you thought it was a good idea to make 14 year olds sing the ABC song in front of the entire class?

Have you NEVER been a teenager before? It baffling how you thought this was a good idea. Some students might be incredibly shy, others are OF COURSE too cool to sing the ****** ABCs in front of the class.

Next time, you might as well have them show the whole class they know the time song! Or perhaps even something simpler and have them touch their toesies with their hands!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on October 12, 2015, 05:04:04 pm
Today I played a game with my students that involved answering questions for which they were rewarded with points, or given a challenge to complete. I tried to make the challenges easy and/or goofy, to keep things light and not make things too hard.

One of the challenges was to sing the ABC song. Easy peasy, right? After all, the class in question was a middle school 3rd grade class. Surely after seven years of English education, they'll all be able to sing the ABC song.

Oh ho ho, Mister Tim, not so fast! One mustn't make such assumptions!

On the team that received that particular challenge, every single student was either unable to correctly sing (or even just recite) the entire alphabet, or completely unwilling to sing because they're too cool for that sort of thing.

I'd even have settled for a terribly sung konglish version, with its Eppoos, Aychees, and Bwees, but it was not to be.

Sigh.

you thought it was a good idea to make 14 year olds sing the ABC song in front of the entire class?

Have you NEVER been a teenager before? It baffling how you thought this was a good idea. Some students might be incredibly shy, others are OF COURSE too cool to sing the ****** ABCs in front of the class.

Next time, you might as well have them show the whole class they know the time song! Or perhaps even something simpler and have them touch their toesies with their hands!

Really, it baffles you? It just BLOWS YOUR MIND that I might expect that, given a group of eleven students, one of them would have both the ability and the testicular fortitude to sing a silly song? When you were a high school freshman, if and your team had to sing Row Row Row Your Boat to earn your team some points for a competitive game, you think nobody would've done it?

The point was that it was a simple, goofy challenge. You know, like I said in the post you quoted. It was supposed to be a little embarrassing and silly. They weren't all too cool or shy for it, but the ones who were "brave" enough for it didn't know their friggin' ABCs. There were even students on the other teams who started singing it to try to encourage the shy kids on that team, and to help them remember the "words."

So yeah, I expected that at least one student in each group would have balls and know their ABCs. Yes, I though it was a good idea. It thought it'd be silly and fun. If that "baffles" you, then I can say with certainty I'd never want to be in the same room as you during a party.

EDITED to remove unnecessary hostility.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on October 13, 2015, 07:41:46 am
Korea you will pay. I will scourge your land. I will turn your cities to ashes, I will sow your fields with salts. I am rage. I am fury. I am wroth!!!

Anyways, I came in today full of joy and vigour. There is a cold snap in the air, my breath is visible, the sun is shining and nature is readying its fireworks display for us. This was going to be a good day. No. A fine day.

But then my school decided to murder my happiness. They were playing with the fire alarms yesterday with concomitant noise. That's fine. I also happily accept that it has took them a day to do what should take 10 minutes. I understand their unique laziness/incompetence. When in Rome, watch in bemusement as the Romans cock up simple tasks

Here's the fun bit. The speakers have been left turned on. Being honest, made-on-the-Han electronic goods they emit a low dull hum. It's kind of rare back home unless you know someone who has built their stereo system form scratch. It's the kind of background noise problem Blaupunkt had solved by the seventies. It's like being in a tiny room with an old fridge. It's driving me insane. I'm not sure I can take a whole day of this.

What makes me even more pissed off is the obliviousness of the natives. For the first time ever I wish I had a Korean upbringing. Maybe if I had spent my days yelling at and being yelled at by the people that supposedly loved me I wouldn't care. Maybe if I thought the role of a dog was to bark in anger and pain all night in my yard I could ignore the sound. Maybe if I believed a tedious message repeating the price of fish on a loop for 6 hours is good advertising I would be able to blank out the dreaded hum. Maybe if I thought it was normal for a supermarket to employ someone to shout at me I could get through today without thoughts of genocide.

But no. I was raised in a civilised country, a real country by parents who actually had some emotional connection with me and surrounded by people who showed no hostility unless necessary. Woe is me!

There's always fire. Pretty, pretty fire.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Kyndo on October 13, 2015, 07:46:58 am
... I am rage. I am fury. I am wroth!!!... The speakers have been left turned on... they emit a low dull hum... Woe is me!

There's always fire. Pretty, pretty fire.
If your case follows the general way in which these kind of things progress, by the end of the week you should be hearing voices whispering to you from somewhere deep inside the hum. A week after that, well...
... I'll be watching the front page of the local rags.  :smiley:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: atemporaryaccount on October 13, 2015, 07:54:07 am
Today I played a game with my students that involved answering questions for which they were rewarded with points, or given a challenge to complete. I tried to make the challenges easy and/or goofy, to keep things light and not make things too hard.

One of the challenges was to sing the ABC song. Easy peasy, right? After all, the class in question was a middle school 3rd grade class. Surely after seven years of English education, they'll all be able to sing the ABC song.

Oh ho ho, Mister Tim, not so fast! One mustn't make such assumptions!

On the team that received that particular challenge, every single student was either unable to correctly sing (or even just recite) the entire alphabet, or completely unwilling to sing because they're too cool for that sort of thing.

I'd even have settled for a terribly sung konglish version, with its Eppoos, Aychees, and Bwees, but it was not to be.

Sigh.

you thought it was a good idea to make 14 year olds sing the ABC song in front of the entire class?

Have you NEVER been a teenager before? It baffling how you thought this was a good idea. Some students might be incredibly shy, others are OF COURSE too cool to sing the ****** ABCs in front of the class.

Next time, you might as well have them show the whole class they know the time song! Or perhaps even something simpler and have them touch their toesies with their hands!

Really, it baffles you? It just BLOWS YOUR MIND that I might expect that, given a group of eleven students, one of them would have both the ability and the testicular fortitude to sing a silly song? When you were a high school freshman, if and your team had to sing Row Row Row Your Boat to earn your team some points for a competitive game, you think nobody would've done it?

The point was that it was a simple, goofy challenge. You know, like I said in the post you quoted. It was supposed to be a little embarrassing and silly. They weren't all too cool or shy for it, but the ones who were "brave" enough for it didn't know their friggin' ABCs. There were even students on the other teams who started singing it to try to encourage the shy kids on that team, and to help them remember the "words."

So yeah, I expected that at least one student in each group would have balls and know their ABCs. Yes, I though it was a good idea. It thought it'd be silly and fun. If that "baffles" you, then I can say with certainty I'd never want to be in the same room as you during a party.

EDITED to remove unnecessary hostility.

I am thinking back to high school Spanish. I'm not sure I would have been able to sing the Spanish alphabet. I would not have been too shy. And it's not because I can't Spanish.

I feel like knowing their ABCs and being able to recite them in song are not the same thing. I wouldn't worry about that so much.

It is lame if they just didn't want to try, though.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on October 13, 2015, 07:57:19 am
Today I played a game with my students that involved answering questions for which they were rewarded with points, or given a challenge to complete. I tried to make the challenges easy and/or goofy, to keep things light and not make things too hard.

One of the challenges was to sing the ABC song. Easy peasy, right? After all, the class in question was a middle school 3rd grade class. Surely after seven years of English education, they'll all be able to sing the ABC song.

Oh ho ho, Mister Tim, not so fast! One mustn't make such assumptions!

On the team that received that particular challenge, every single student was either unable to correctly sing (or even just recite) the entire alphabet, or completely unwilling to sing because they're too cool for that sort of thing.

I'd even have settled for a terribly sung konglish version, with its Eppoos, Aychees, and Bwees, but it was not to be.

Sigh.

you thought it was a good idea to make 14 year olds sing the ABC song in front of the entire class?

Have you NEVER been a teenager before? It baffling how you thought this was a good idea. Some students might be incredibly shy, others are OF COURSE too cool to sing the ****** ABCs in front of the class.

Next time, you might as well have them show the whole class they know the time song! Or perhaps even something simpler and have them touch their toesies with their hands!

How can you "never" be a teenager?

I was a teenager, and I would have recited them just so I didn't look like the dumbass who didn't know.

I remember singing vocabulary (I think body parts/parts of the cell or whatever) to the same melody as nursery rhymes to remember as a freshman.


Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 13, 2015, 07:58:23 am
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you thought it was a good idea to make 14 year olds sing the ABC song in front of the entire class?

Have you NEVER been a teenager before? It baffling how you thought this was a good idea. Some students might be incredibly shy, others are OF COURSE too cool to sing the ****** ABCs in front of the class.

Next time, you might as well have them show the whole class they know the time song! Or perhaps even something simpler and have them touch their toesies with their hands!

Really, it baffles you? It just BLOWS YOUR MIND that I might expect that, given a group of eleven students, one of them would have both the ability and the testicular fortitude to sing a silly song? When you were a high school freshman, if and your team had to sing Row Row Row Your Boat to earn your team some points for a competitive game, you think nobody would've done it?

The point was that it was a simple, goofy challenge. You know, like I said in the post you quoted. It was supposed to be a little embarrassing and silly. They weren't all too cool or shy for it, but the ones who were "brave" enough for it didn't know their friggin' ABCs. There were even students on the other teams who started singing it to try to encourage the shy kids on that team, and to help them remember the "words."

So yeah, I expected that at least one student in each group would have balls and know their ABCs. Yes, I though it was a good idea. It thought it'd be silly and fun. If that "baffles" you, then I can say with certainty I'd never want to be in the same room as you during a party.

EDITED to remove unnecessary hostility.

Buddy, if you think a party is the same as class, then you are either completely delirious or way too confident in your ability as a teacher. But from your response, I gather that you'd like it if you went to work while all the teachers are teaching, and they ask you to do the most mundane tests. Then when you finish, they give you a pat on the head, a belly rub, and tell you what a good boy you are.  Skill level proficiency is not equivalent to maturity. I also wouldn't ask a group of corporate adult EFL students to sing the god damn ABCs. Your intentions are that of goofy doesn't mean it was interpreted that way. .

I also wonder whether or not the group just stayed quiet the ENTIRE class, or they answered other questions.

edit: if I had the question in school, I'd say it, not sing it. If it wouldn't get me in trouble, I would tell my teacher how stupid does he think I am that I don't know my damn abcs at 14, which would then land me in detention so I wouldn't say that (out loud).
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on October 13, 2015, 08:01:39 am
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you thought it was a good idea to make 14 year olds sing the ABC song in front of the entire class?

Have you NEVER been a teenager before? It baffling how you thought this was a good idea. Some students might be incredibly shy, others are OF COURSE too cool to sing the ****** ABCs in front of the class.

Next time, you might as well have them show the whole class they know the time song! Or perhaps even something simpler and have them touch their toesies with their hands!

Really, it baffles you? It just BLOWS YOUR MIND that I might expect that, given a group of eleven students, one of them would have both the ability and the testicular fortitude to sing a silly song? When you were a high school freshman, if and your team had to sing Row Row Row Your Boat to earn your team some points for a competitive game, you think nobody would've done it?

The point was that it was a simple, goofy challenge. You know, like I said in the post you quoted. It was supposed to be a little embarrassing and silly. They weren't all too cool or shy for it, but the ones who were "brave" enough for it didn't know their friggin' ABCs. There were even students on the other teams who started singing it to try to encourage the shy kids on that team, and to help them remember the "words."

So yeah, I expected that at least one student in each group would have balls and know their ABCs. Yes, I though it was a good idea. It thought it'd be silly and fun. If that "baffles" you, then I can say with certainty I'd never want to be in the same room as you during a party.

EDITED to remove unnecessary hostility.

Buddy, if you think a party is the same as class, then you are either completely delirious or way too confident in your ability as a teacher. But from your response, I gather that you'd like it if you went to work while all the teachers are teaching, and they ask you to do the most mundane tests. Then when you finish, they give you a pat on the head, a belly rub, and tell you what a good boy you are.  Skill level proficiency is not equivalent to maturity. I also wouldn't ask a group of corporate adult EFL students to sing the god damn ABCs. Your intentions are that of goofy doesn't mean it was interpreted that way. .

I also wonder whether or not the group just stayed quiet the ENTIRE class, or they answered other questions.

Richard is obviously too cool for the ABC's....
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: taeyang on October 13, 2015, 09:07:04 am
keep it civil, please.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on October 13, 2015, 10:26:20 am

Buddy, if you think a party is the same as class, then you are either completely delirious or way too confident in your ability as a teacher. But from your response, I gather that you'd like it if you went to work while all the teachers are teaching, and they ask you to do the most mundane tests. Then when you finish, they give you a pat on the head, a belly rub, and tell you what a good boy you are.  Skill level proficiency is not equivalent to maturity. I also wouldn't ask a group of corporate adult EFL students to sing the god damn ABCs. Your intentions are that of goofy doesn't mean it was interpreted that way. .

I also wonder whether or not the group just stayed quiet the ENTIRE class, or they answered other questions.

edit: if I had the question in school, I'd say it, not sing it. If it wouldn't get me in trouble, I would tell my teacher how stupid does he think I am that I don't know my damn abcs at 14, which would then land me in detention so I wouldn't say that (out loud).

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Yes, wanting to add some levity to English class definitely means that I want nothing more than to do mundane tasks and receive attaboys for them. Astute observation, RichardTang.

If you see someone in a thread with the express purpose of venting making a silly post about students not wanting or being able to sing their ABCs as part of a game, and your reaction is "I need to tell this person how wrong they are and that their teaching ideas are not good," then I'm doubly sure you'd be as welcome at a party as a fart in an elevator.

I am obviously aware that classes are not parties. I hope that you don't think trying to lighten the mood with a little goofiness in class doesn't mean I'm trying to throw parties every day, but I must confess I have a very weak grasp on how your mind works. We all have different teaching techniques, though, so that's fine.

I would ask a group of adults in an EFL class to sing the ABCs. I have asked a group of adults in an EFL class to sing the ABCs. Guess what? They did it! Does that baffle you? I did it for the same reason in that class, too: Because it was a silly thing to make them do. Sure, some were embarrassed, but it was generally received with giggling and smiling, because they knew as well as I did that it was a ridiculous task.

I like it when my students are happy. It's a tactic that usually works. I'm glad you can conduct successful lessons without trying to have fun with your students (regardless of age), but that's not how I do things. At my current school, the Korean teachers teach all the textbook classes, and the instructions upon my arrival at this school were "Teach whatever you want. Try to have fun." Sounds good to me, and I try to do that by being goofy fro time to time. If you think the students don't pick up on that or that they're unable to interpret my intentions, you don't give your students enough credit.

And no, the group didn't stay quiet the entire class. They answered the questions they were presented with just fine. Like I said, they weren't even all unwilling to sing them. My venting was more about how the student who was willing to sing didn't know the alphabet. I'm not really disappointed that every student didn't gladly perk up and sing the song like a bunch of kindergarteners, but I am a bit disappointed when middle school third graders don't know their ABCs.

I don't know why you chose to pick on the bit about students not singing rather than students not knowing their alphabet, but oh well. What's done is done, what was is said. I still think it's absolutely fine to have included that as one of the challenges in the game. It's fine that you wouldn't have, but I must admit to having been a little miffed at the assertion that my teaching ideas are bad. Different from yours, perhaps, and that's okay. Well, to me it is.

I hope I kept that civil enough, mods. You should've seen my original reply. It was pretty... erm... yucky. I cut a bit out to make it less hostile, since I'm really not trying to be. Pinky swear.  8)

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 13, 2015, 10:39:34 am
If you don't want to hear another point of view that doesn't involve a group of "yes men", then you are not going to be happy with the internet in general.

You still clearly don't see that the students are able to answer what I consider more advance questions, but didn't want to sing the ABCs as the a form of "mundane task".  What you consider "levity" was clearly "degradation" in the eyes of *some* your students. Adult "humor" doesn't always translate well to teenagers.

You must clearly think that all students are alike. I have students who can't mutter more than a whisper in front of class. I would not have them sing the ABCs or even SAY them. I would give them work they can do in silence, then when I walk around I check it. By this time of the year (mid 2nd semester), I would have figured out which students don't know the ABCs, and would introduce exercises to the entire class that would help them learn it.  I've clearly seen my middle school students too mature to sing the ABCs before which is why I am able to offer this insight. Don't like people criticizing you? Best to keep your opinions to yourself and stay off the internet then.

You clearly are OK with silly things. Guess what? Some people aren't. Some people are more aware of what people think of them than others.  I certainly wouldn't be the top student in the class, having spent hours studying, and a ton of my parent's money on hagwons, just to sing the Alphabet to the class.

No one likes to hear/read criticism, and even less are willing to actually ponder for a moment whether or not the criticism makes sense so they can better themselves from it. If the day I actually post about my classroom woes (which will be never), feel free to criticize all you want as well.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Imogen1991 on October 13, 2015, 10:54:28 am
YAY ARGUING ON THE INTERNET

Let's not get this thread locked hey?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 13, 2015, 10:56:34 am
YAY ARGUING ON THE INTERNET

Let's not get this thread locked hey?

It's been my plan since it's conception.

...i've been failing hard.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on October 13, 2015, 11:37:59 am
You must clearly think that all students are alike.

Yes, I clearly don't understand that all students aren't the same. I obviously expected every single student to sing. Let's forget for a moment that I have explicitly stated in my replies here that I did not expect them all to do it, just that I think it's reasonable to expect at least one of them to do it. You are correct, the obvious conclusion is that I think all students are exactly the same.

You clearly are OK with silly things. Guess what? Some people aren't. Some people are more aware of what people think of them than others.   

You don't say? As should be abundantly clear by now, I didn't expect them all to be. Teaching 101 is that all students are different. You are not making any stunning revelations here. Some students like some activities, some don't. I also heard that things fall because of gravity and grass is green.

Don't like people criticizing you? Best to keep your opinions to yourself and stay off the internet then.

No one likes to hear/read criticism, and even less are willing to actually ponder for a moment whether or not the criticism makes sense so they can better themselves from it. If the day I actually post about my classroom woes (which will be never), feel free to criticize all you want as well.

Of course I don't like criticism, when it's wrong. Trust me, if I thought you were right here, I'd concede. Heck, if you hadn't been such a condescending jackanape in your first reply, I might not have even said anything at all. But instead of being a sensible person and presenting your idea like "It's possible the students were all too embarrassed, which can be a problem with students of that age," you had to tell me how "baffled" you were, and how you "can't believe I thought it was a good idea."

There's constructive criticism, and there's just being a tactless stick in the mud. You were definitely the latter. Not that that surprised me at all, given your other posts around this site, but I'm absolutely going to respond in kind when you throw that kind of nonsense my way.

Anyway, I think it's run its course, unless you've got something else to add.

Have a nice lunch.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Kyndo on October 13, 2015, 12:02:25 pm
Back to ranting:

How many times this year are you going to tell me to teach YET ANOTHER open class? It's a waste of everyone's time, it isn't a real sample of what a normal class is like, the schedule is all f*cked up because you're teaching a random lesson the kids have never seen before, and I personally hate it. I have three coming up. I already did five last semester. Next time I swear to god I will just straight up refuse.
The principal and vice-principal randomly stop by and sit in on classes. Keeps the teachers on their toes, and makes me look good. I actually enjoy it because it makes all the students nervous and they tend to pretend to be something other than the hideous social monstrosities they actually are. Disclaimer: 유리, I love my students. Even the truly evil ones. Please don't get me fired...
Anyway, it makes the official open lessons much less stressful, as it really is only a formality.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChrisKorea on October 13, 2015, 12:03:51 pm
Back to ranting:

How many times this year are you going to tell me to teach YET ANOTHER open class? It's a waste of everyone's time, it isn't a real sample of what a normal class is like, the schedule is all f*cked up because you're teaching a random lesson the kids have never seen before, and I personally hate it. I have three coming up. I already did five last semester. Next time I swear to god I will just straight up refuse.
The principal and vice-principal randomly stop by and sit in on classes. Keeps the teachers on their toes, and makes me look good. I actually enjoy it because it makes all the students nervous and they tend to pretend to be something other than the hideous social monstrosities they actually are. Disclaimer: 유리, I love my students. Even the truly evil ones. Please don't get me fired...
Anyway, it makes the official open lessons much less stressful, as it really is only a formality.

This is my second contract and this time around I have not had any open classes. Is this normal?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: royalmilktea on October 13, 2015, 12:20:06 pm
Really would love a week teaching at either of my two schools that didn't have a schedule change, or a schedule change that worked in my FAVOR. I am tired of my co-teachers fighting about who gets to co-teach with me when...or having half the class gone doing some sort of cultural project, or loosing half my lunch break because of my mandatory drama class I have to oversee this year. 135 days....
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: z80 on October 13, 2015, 12:30:22 pm
I've refused to do open classes before based on the fact that the open class is different to what we normally teach, and thus a lie. In my contract it has a bit about not being dishonest or some crap like that.

They don't even ask me anymore.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: orionchocopie on October 13, 2015, 12:31:22 pm
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Really would love a week teaching at either of my two schools that didn't have a schedule change, or a schedule change that worked in my FAVOR. I am tired of my co-teachers fighting about who gets to co-teach with me when...or having half the class gone doing some sort of cultural project, or loosing half my lunch break because of my mandatory drama class I have to oversee this year. 135 days....
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Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on October 13, 2015, 12:36:41 pm
Really would love a week teaching at either of my two schools that didn't have a schedule change, or a schedule change that worked in my FAVOR. I am tired of my co-teachers fighting about who gets to co-teach with me when...or having half the class gone doing some sort of cultural project, or loosing half my lunch break because of my mandatory drama class I have to oversee this year. 135 days....

I got super sick of that at one point a couple years ago, so I kept track for a month: just over 50% of my classes that month were either cancelled, rescheduled, or delayed for one reason or another.

It did make me wonder, though. How common is that sort of thing in other countries? Korea is my first teaching gig, so I can't really say that it's more or less common here than back home. I don't remember classes being moved around all willy nilly when I was a kid, but that's honestly not something I'm likely to have paid much attention to :laugh:.

I will say that at my current school, on my first day of work they handed me a printout with all the days when classes would be cancelled for the entire semester highlighted, and reasons for the cancellations provided. There will still be surprises from time to time, but it sure was friggin' awesome being kept in the loop like that. They run a really tight ship at this school, and that's peachy keen in my book. I sure hope they don't move me to another school again at the end of the semester...

*knock on every piece of wood in a 10km radius*
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: z80 on October 13, 2015, 12:42:49 pm
In my home country my teaching scheduled was changed on average 2 time per year. Usually it was because of another teaching being sick or injured.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: popeye2u on October 13, 2015, 12:44:07 pm
Lol..I love the last minute.."oh, tomorrow teachers are going on a trip.  You will be here alone."  8)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on October 13, 2015, 12:57:10 pm
Actually now that I think about it, I wonder how many of those cancellations and reschedulings weren't last minute, but rather had been made known to all the teachers but me at the beginning of each semester. This school has demonstrated that it's certainly possible for schools to know abut class changes far in advance, so perhaps the problem in the past was more a result of a lack of communication, not an inability to keep to a schedule...

Hmmm...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: zola on October 13, 2015, 01:10:38 pm
Waiting in line to buy a sandwich. Server is busy, looks at me and says 잠깐만요.
No problem. Wait......
Two women enter the shop, elbow their way next to me and start calling out their order. The staff member walks back to the register and takes their order. While I'm standing there like a lemon. I clear my throat and the server looks at me like "What?"

It's not a miscommunication. She knew i was waiting to order, she knew i was the only person waiting there initially, she told me to please wait a moment. Never mind the two bints who completely disregarded me.

I said "**** this" and walked out.

The same scenario has happened to me many times. Usually, not always, the staff will tell the cutting in customers that I am first. 

I just think I've been here far too long. I felt like punching someone. All i wanted was a sandwich.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: The Arm on October 13, 2015, 01:10:53 pm
Actually now that I think about it, I wonder how many of those cancellations and reschedulings weren't last minute, but rather had been made known to all the teachers but me at the beginning of each semester. This school has demonstrated that it's certainly possible for schools to know abut class changes far in advance, so perhaps the problem in the past was more a result of a lack of communication, not an inability to keep to a schedule...

Hmmm...

Oh, 100% they already knew about it. My second school especially, tells me nothing.

Absolutely agree with this.  Last minute changes here mean we get told at the last minute (sometimes literally).  The actual change was most likely decided WAY in advance but no one has the foresight to mention it. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on October 13, 2015, 01:32:14 pm
A reminder to everyone;

Those who disagree with the ethos of this thread can very easily be ignored, allowing the rest of us to vent (whether it be for therapy or fun) in peace.
There's no argument if they can't find someone willing to take the bait.

Have a good one.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on October 13, 2015, 02:06:15 pm
Yeah, sorry about that.   :angel:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Kyndo on October 13, 2015, 02:19:45 pm
I've refused to do open classes before based on the fact that the open class is different to what we normally teach, and thus a lie. In my contract it has a bit about not being dishonest or some crap like that.

They don't even ask me anymore.
Yep, that's the way to go.
My open classes are exactly the same as my regular ones... I don't change the lesson at all. The coteacher responsible for that particular class usually makes a handout for the P and VP (and the senior teachers who bother showing up) so they can understand what the hell is going on.
Seems to work out pretty well, as I get pretty nice peer reviews come teacher evaluation day. Less stress that way too. :smiley:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: oglop on October 13, 2015, 02:30:28 pm
I've refused to do open classes before based on the fact that the open class is different to what we normally teach, and thus a lie. In my contract it has a bit about not being dishonest or some crap like that.

They don't even ask me anymore.
Yep, that's the way to go.
My open classes are exactly the same as my regular ones... I don't change the lesson at all. The coteacher responsible for that particular class usually makes a handout for the P and VP (and the senior teachers who bother showing up) so they can understand what the hell is going on.
Seems to work out pretty well, as I get pretty nice peer reviews come teacher evaluation day. Less stress that way too. :smiley:
hm.. i've always done this.

what do people do in open classes that's so different from 'regular' classes? now i'm curious!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Nick P on October 13, 2015, 02:34:33 pm
^
Let CT pretend to teach lesson.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: royalmilktea on October 13, 2015, 02:57:47 pm
^
Let CT pretend to teach lesson.

THIS :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: oglop on October 13, 2015, 02:59:08 pm
^
Let CT pretend to teach lesson.
touche, touche...!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: z80 on October 13, 2015, 03:02:15 pm
My old CT's would make amazingly good lessons that incorporated the things I continually pester them about, ie student centered learning, etc. They would only do these for their open classes, and never for the regular classes.

The reason they let me not do them is that other than the dishonesty thing, I said to them that I can't do it to the students because the students will go home and tell their parents that the lessons where different. Then all the parents just think I'm dishonest, and I don't want that. The next open class they didn't even tell me about.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: taingray on October 13, 2015, 03:17:39 pm
It was fun last year seeing my super lazy co-teacher bomb during our open class together when she had to pretend teach! Couldn't properly lead her section and messed up the activity directions, derailed the lesson, couldn't spit out a complete sentence in English, etc. She must have realized how ludicrous it was when we planned it together when she kept designating specific lines and portions to herself when in reality she rarely said a word in our regular classes.

With my other co, we have to spend an insane amount of time planning and rehearsing our open class lesson to an empty classroom. I think last year we "discussed" and "planned" for no less than 10 hours. I'm not kidding. Every free period we had for at least a week was spent obsessing over our lesson, even AFTER we had discussed it to death in the previous weeks. And then of course she also derailed the whole thing when it was time to "perform."

We have three open classes coming up in the next few weeks and I want to die.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on October 13, 2015, 03:19:35 pm
How 'bout a complaint that has nothing to with with teaching or Korean culture?

I hate that most music-related gear is so damned expensive here. I play guitar and bass, and shopping around for stuff I almost always find stuff going for at least MSRP, sometimes even more. I understand why imported goods are often pricier, of course, but that doesn't make it any less annoying.  :laugh:

My rule of thumb seems to be if it'd cost me less to order the item from overseas, import, and pay customs on it than it would cost me to buy it in Korea, then I just don't buy that thing.

Luckily I do find some nice deals from time to time, so it's not a total wash. Actually, I've probably saved a fair bit of money by not being able to find some things I might have otherwise bought for a reasonable price, haha.

Anyone else have any hobbies that are annoyingly expensive here?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on October 13, 2015, 05:00:00 pm
^
Let CT pretend to teach lesson.

THIS :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ugh, so true.

During one of mine last year, the teacher tried to teach the class for the first time all year and told me to just stand at the back of the room. Not even sit at my desk or go somewhere else, but to just stand like a cigar store person of native descent at the ass-end of the room where parents couldn't see me but I would still be "helping." Backfired when the kids kept turning around and asking me what to do because she was so thick they could barely understand her even in Korean. REALLY backfired when one of the mothers asked me- in perfect English- if that was representative of a typical class and I blurted out, "of course not, that was ridiculous" and she laughed and said that she had thought as much.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 13, 2015, 05:21:06 pm
^
Let CT pretend to teach lesson.

My CT just told me we were going to be having an open class soon and handed me a fully prepared class outline of the class she was going to teach that day.  I normally teach a conversation class that period, but she's changing it so she's predominantly the one teaching.  She already has an entire 50min lesson plan, yet she wants me to plan an activity for 20-25min that I'll do?! :huh:  Like....what's even the point? 

I mean, not that I'm going to really complain* about not having to do an open class entirely on my own, but the fact that I'm normally 100% responsible for my lessons and am usually complimented on them by my CTs is something I take a bit of pride in.  To have the rug yanked out from under me and have me be turned into a puppet is a bit irksome.

Aaaaaand I didn't even realize it was annoying me so much until I just sat and typed all that out. :laugh:
*so by that I mean I totally am.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on October 13, 2015, 05:39:15 pm
How 'bout a complaint that has nothing to with with teaching or Korean culture?

I hate that most music-related gear is so damned expensive here. I play guitar and bass, and shopping around for stuff I almost always find stuff going for at least MSRP, sometimes even more. I understand why imported goods are often pricier, of course, but that doesn't make it any less annoying.  :laugh:

My rule of thumb seems to be if it'd cost me less to order the item from overseas, import, and pay customs on it than it would cost me to buy it in Korea, then I just don't buy that thing.

Luckily I do find some nice deals from time to time, so it's not a total wash. Actually, I've probably saved a fair bit of money by not being able to find some things I might have otherwise bought for a reasonable price, haha.

Anyone else have any hobbies that are annoyingly expensive here?

I hear ya, brother. Other than ludicrous prices, most guitar shops have no idea how to sell a guitar either. At one of the shops, in the Seoul music arcade, I was interested in an EJ signature strat and a USA deluxe. The sales guy flat out refused to let me try it before buying it. He didn't want any fingerprints on the guitar. I even took the cash out of my wallet to show I was serious on buying, he didn't budge and insisted I had to blow over 2mil on a guitar without testing it... WTF?

Following month, I spent a week in Japan and bought my strat there, much cheaper, way better customer service and I was able to negotiate for a better price and some goodies.

For any serious musicians, that's exactly what I'd recommend; get a cheap plane ticket to Japan and hook yourself up.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on October 13, 2015, 05:54:27 pm

Following month, I spent a week in Japan and bought my strat there, much cheaper, way better customer service and I was able to negotiate for a better price and some goodies.

For any serious musicians, that's exactly what I'd recommend; get a cheap plane ticket to Japan and hook yourself up.

Haha, I'll keep that in mind. There are some tasty Japan-exclusive ESPs I wouldn't mind taking for a test drive.

Last time I went home during summer vacation, I took the opportunity to buy a new bass (Fender USA Tony Frankly fretless), a new head (Aguilar Tone Hammer 500w), and a new cab (MarkBass 2x10), and just got a flight case for the bass, a suitcase for the cab, put the head in my carry on bag (micro heads ftw!), and brought it all back with me on the plane.  :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: The Arm on October 14, 2015, 09:34:56 am
Kakao Talk notifications that aren't muted.

Your phone barely leaves your hands all day so why do you need that annoying sound?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on October 14, 2015, 09:48:23 am
Kakao Talk notifications that aren't muted.

Your phone barely leaves your hands all day so why do you need that annoying sound?


Nothing compared to the god damned cool messenger popping up CONSTANTLY in the middle of the lesson/class etc...

I have the notification sound turned off on my machine, but the teachers don't seem to thing the one we use for lessons is a problem.

You know, Kids need to be interrupted and distracted by a loud sound and a pop up over the middle of stuff, and of course they need to be told abut the latest Soju products and fashion.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on October 14, 2015, 09:50:17 am
Kakao Talk notifications that aren't muted.

Your phone barely leaves your hands all day so why do you need that annoying sound?

And now coming to you in your once peaceful taxi rides.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 14, 2015, 10:49:40 am
Kakao Talk notifications that aren't muted.

Your phone barely leaves your hands all day so why do you need that annoying sound?


Nothing compared to the god damned cool messenger popping up CONSTANTLY in the middle of the lesson/class etc...

I have the notification sound turned off on my machine, but the teachers don't seem to thing the one we use for lessons is a problem.

You know, Kids need to be interrupted and distracted by a loud sound and a pop up over the middle of stuff, and of course they need to be told abut the latest Soju products and fashion.

There's gotta be a setting where you can disable the banner popups...

Aaaaaand there is!

Just did this on mine, so I'll let you know whether or not it's effective as my day goes on.  :laugh:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jomi on October 14, 2015, 11:20:49 am
Low level students in 5th grade that won't write anything without having support through the whole writing task and won't talk unless guided through? Better leave that to the NET as I float around the classroom doing FA doing the absolute minimal amount of assistance possible.

I reason why there's kids in 5th grade who barely have a grasp on the alphabet is I lead the lesson, I lead all the activities, I have to move on from one activity to the next as the majority of students finish to keep the class flowing but the low level students that require assistance are not sat near each other, and are ignored by the KT who's role in the lesson is to assist lower level students.
Unless I've misunderstand her job role and she is merely in my classroom to walk about, have next to no input in the class and do basically nothing
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Imogen1991 on October 14, 2015, 11:47:55 am
You know, I honestly come to school every day determined to have a good day, and determined to try and be positive about living here, and then every single day something annoying happens and it just tears me down again, it's impossible to be happy here  :undecided:

+1111111111111111111111111111111  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on October 14, 2015, 11:50:25 am
Kakao Talk notifications that aren't muted.

Your phone barely leaves your hands all day so why do you need that annoying sound?


Nothing compared to the god damned cool messenger popping up CONSTANTLY in the middle of the lesson/class etc...

I have the notification sound turned off on my machine, but the teachers don't seem to thing the one we use for lessons is a problem.

You know, Kids need to be interrupted and distracted by a loud sound and a pop up over the middle of stuff, and of course they need to be told abut the latest Soju products and fashion.

There's gotta be a setting where you can disable the banner popups...

Aaaaaand there is!
  • Click the settings wheel
  • Select "Settings"
  • Under "Settings" tab, you can disable both the taskbar flashing (which I don't mind on my personal computer) as well as choose to "Block pop-up window after login" which I'm going to assume is the banner flagging up in the lower corner when you get a message.
  • Under the "Sound" tab, you can uncheck the box for "Apply sound effect" to potentially disable all sounds

Just did this on mine, so I'll let you know whether or not it's effective as my day goes on.  :laugh:

I have that on my computer already, but it doesn't stop the pop up notification from showing a message every time a message is sent to you.

at least the sound is gone, and the ad
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: khalavala on October 14, 2015, 12:11:32 pm
Will they ever stop notifying us of things last minute? I just got told that we're going to some school to watch a volleyball game at 2:40, then we have a dinner at 5. I already have things to do, you cannot just tell me things like this DAY OF. If it was something optional, that's still annoying but that's another situation. When it's something like hwaysik you can't do that because there's an unspoken rule that you have to be there. I asked my co "when did you find out about this?" and she said just this morning, so I said "why do they think it's okay to notify us of things like this last minute? It's not okay." and she's just like ohh..

Do these people not have any respect for their own personal time? They just blindly do whatever their superiors tell them to do, whether or not they already had plans.

This was a regular pattern at my school and finally I said it is disrespectful to notify people of things last minute where I come from and shows a lack of professionalism. I haven't been invited anywhere since but that might be because there hasn't been any teacher meetings. But I hope they keep in mind what I told them.

edit: I read your following post and the same is true for me since starting my second contract. I am having second thoughts about signing for a second year. Currently I am looking for opportunities elsewhere in China and Japan.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jamonamagnet on October 14, 2015, 12:32:59 pm
Will they ever stop notifying us of things last minute? I just got told that we're going to some school to watch a volleyball game at 2:40, then we have a dinner at 5. I already have things to do, you cannot just tell me things like this DAY OF. If it was something optional, that's still annoying but that's another situation. When it's something like hwaysik you can't do that because there's an unspoken rule that you have to be there. I asked my co "when did you find out about this?" and she said just this morning, so I said "why do they think it's okay to notify us of things like this last minute? It's not okay." and she's just like ohh..

Do these people not have any respect for their own personal time? They just blindly do whatever their superiors tell them to do, whether or not they already had plans.
You don't have to.

If something comes up after hours just say "I'm sorry, I have plans."  That's it.  It's that easy.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on October 14, 2015, 12:46:52 pm
Actually you do have a choice.

You do NOT have to go to after school activities, and if it's a volleyball game, and not actually a school function, you can option to just sit at the school by yourself until 4:40.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: tamjen on October 14, 2015, 01:44:43 pm
Trying to find something that should be very easy to find but no one has one in stock.

In my case I wanted to buy a Steinberger bass guitar, or a copy which several companies make. I went to the Nakwon Music Arcade in Seoul. There are dozens of guitar/bass shops with every model and not a single Steinberger or 'berger copy to be seen. I was amazed.

Later that night I went to a club and the bass player was playing one. I asked him where he got it and he wouldn't tell me! It was like a secret CIA thing. Astounding. It's a freaking bass dude. Not the launch codes for the silos in Nebraska.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Mister Tim on October 14, 2015, 02:17:51 pm
Trying to find something that should be very easy to find but no one has one in stock.

In my case I wanted to buy a Steinberger bass guitar, or a copy which several companies make. I went to the Nakwon Music Arcade in Seoul. There are dozens of guitar/bass shops with every model and not a single Steinberger or 'berger copy to be seen. I was amazed.

Later that night I went to a club and the bass player was playing one. I asked him where he got it and he wouldn't tell me! It was like a secret CIA thing. Astounding. It's a freaking bass dude. Not the launch codes for the silos in Nebraska.

http://www.schoolmusic.co.kr/Shop/index.php3?var=GoodList&large_number=4&middle_number=803

Take your pick!

I was eyeing those recently myself, since it's a huge PITA taking a full-sized bass on the bus with me.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 14, 2015, 02:55:23 pm
Do these people not have any respect for their own personal time? They just blindly do whatever their superiors tell them to do, whether or not they already had plans.

This is literally what Korean hierarchy is based on and how the entire society and culture functions. :undecided:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: scholes on October 14, 2015, 03:06:02 pm
Every time I open the door to leave or go into a shop, bank etc and there is an adjosssi on the other side they always force their way in first like im opening the for them. Next time this happens im gna shut the door in their faces!!!!!

It's so annoying!!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 14, 2015, 03:11:05 pm
Every time I open the door to leave or go into a shop, bank etc and there is an adjosssi on the other side they always force their way in first like im opening the for them. Next time this happens im gna shut the door in their faces!!!!!

It's so annoying!!

Why don't you....just open the door for them? I hear it's good manners to hold the door open for other people.

People get angry about the dumbest things here.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: scholes on October 14, 2015, 03:13:22 pm
Every time I open the door to leave or go into a shop, bank etc and there is an adjosssi on the other side they always force their way in first like im opening the for them. Next time this happens im gna shut the door in their faces!!!!!

It's so annoying!!

Why don't you....just open the door for them? I hear it's good manners to hold the door open for other people.

People get angry about the dumbest things here.

Not when you never ever get a thank you or a smile in your direction.
Its like an entitlement here.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aqvm on October 14, 2015, 03:15:36 pm
"Please buy some board games for the classroom, up to 200,000원, and give us the receipts."

Two days later.
"Here are the games and receipts."

One month later.
"Our school doesn't have the budget to reimburse you for the games. You paid for them so you should try to return them where you bought them."

"...they're opened and kids have already played with them..."

WHY IS THIS MY PROBLEM
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 14, 2015, 03:18:32 pm
Every time I open the door to leave or go into a shop, bank etc and there is an adjosssi on the other side they always force their way in first like im opening the for them. Next time this happens im gna shut the door in their faces!!!!!

It's so annoying!!

Why don't you....just open the door for them? I hear it's good manners to hold the door open for other people.

People get angry about the dumbest things here.

Not when you never ever get a thank you or a smile in your direction.
Its like an entitlement here.

Yeah..you don't do something nice just to be commended for it. Them not thanking you is their bad-mannered behavior, doesn't lower your act at all.

If the thank you or smile is what you're doing it for, you're not doing a nice thing to begin with. Sorry.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on October 14, 2015, 03:18:56 pm
Actually you do have a choice.

You do NOT have to go to after school activities, and if it's a volleyball game, and not actually a school function, you can option to just sit at the school by yourself until 4:40.

Sure you don't have to do anything but it is tiring having to factor in the ridiculous sensitivities. One can but dream that one day we will be able to accept or decline social events and not have to feel that we are dealing with teenage girls who have just experienced their first heartache .

is a dream, a crazy dream but I can't let it go. One day Koreans will finally finish puberty. Mark my words, it will happen
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 14, 2015, 03:22:48 pm
Actually you do have a choice.

You do NOT have to go to after school activities, and if it's a volleyball game, and not actually a school function, you can option to just sit at the school by yourself until 4:40.

Sure you don't have to do anything but it is tiring having to factor in the ridiculous sensitivities. One can but dream that one day we will be able to accept or decline social events and not have to feel that we are dealing with teenage girls who have just experienced their first heartache .

is a dream, a crazy dream but I can't let it go. One day Koreans will finally finish puberty. Mark my words, it will happen

Anywhere in the world, with any job, you are probably going to have to accept to do something you don't want to in order to have better relations with people you work with. Be happy its volleyball, or a meal here. Wait until your next job requires you to "help out" by cleaning the faculty toilet because all the janitors are on strike.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: scholes on October 14, 2015, 03:26:17 pm
Every time I open the door to leave or go into a shop, bank etc and there is an adjosssi on the other side they always force their way in first like im opening the for them. Next time this happens im gna shut the door in their faces!!!!!

It's so annoying!!

Why don't you....just open the door for them? I hear it's good manners to hold the door open for other people.

People get angry about the dumbest things here.

Not when you never ever get a thank you or a smile in your direction.
Its like an entitlement here.

Yeah..you don't do something nice just to be commended for it. Them not thanking you is their bad-mannered behavior, doesn't lower your act at all.

If the thank you or smile is what you're doing it for, you're not doing a nice thing to begin with. Sorry.

Since you only "heard" that it was good manners guessing you are one of those rude adjossis. And you're apologist in chief you will never understand nor want to.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on October 14, 2015, 03:30:43 pm
Actually you do have a choice.

You do NOT have to go to after school activities, and if it's a volleyball game, and not actually a school function, you can option to just sit at the school by yourself until 4:40.

Sure you don't have to do anything but it is tiring having to factor in the ridiculous sensitivities. One can but dream that one day we will be able to accept or decline social events and not have to feel that we are dealing with teenage girls who have just experienced their first heartache .

is a dream, a crazy dream but I can't let it go. One day Koreans will finally finish puberty. Mark my words, it will happen

It's all an act. When my CT starts begging and whining, I just say, sorry... then I turn away.


If you only do it to save face, then I don't know what to tell you. Fine, let it control your life. Guess what, they already have a preconceived notion of foreigners in their head anyway.

Whatever floats your boat.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on October 14, 2015, 03:34:44 pm
Actually you do have a choice.

You do NOT have to go to after school activities, and if it's a volleyball game, and not actually a school function, you can option to just sit at the school by yourself until 4:40.

Sure you don't have to do anything but it is tiring having to factor in the ridiculous sensitivities. One can but dream that one day we will be able to accept or decline social events and not have to feel that we are dealing with teenage girls who have just experienced their first heartache .

is a dream, a crazy dream but I can't let it go. One day Koreans will finally finish puberty. Mark my words, it will happen

Anywhere in the world, with any job, you are probably going to have to accept to do something you don't want to in order to have better relations with people you work with. Be happy its volleyball, or a meal here. Wait until your next job requires you to "help out" by cleaning the faculty toilet because all the janitors are on strike.

Most places in the world, in most jobs, being competent is enough. Sorry to break this to you but Korea is rather special in that it is vital that everyone go out together and get hammered although most if them hate it.

We all know that as long as you get blotto with the VP and turn your head away when you do a shot with the principal then it won't matter if you are Socrates reborn or you are renting your grade 3 students to Bielorussian sailors at Busan docks.

It's a great system for waegs without a clue but it can be a bit demoralising for those of us who give a toss about education.

Off topic, If your colleagues are making you clean toilets then call a co-ordinator. If you want I can come to your school and tell them to stop picking on you.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: scholes on October 14, 2015, 03:41:51 pm
Actually you do have a choice.

You do NOT have to go to after school activities, and if it's a volleyball game, and not actually a school function, you can option to just sit at the school by yourself until 4:40.

Sure you don't have to do anything but it is tiring having to factor in the ridiculous sensitivities. One can but dream that one day we will be able to accept or decline social events and not have to feel that we are dealing with teenage girls who have just experienced their first heartache .

is a dream, a crazy dream but I can't let it go. One day Koreans will finally finish puberty. Mark my words, it will happen

Anywhere in the world, with any job, you are probably going to have to accept to do something you don't want to in order to have better relations with people you work with. Be happy its volleyball, or a meal here. Wait until your next job requires you to "help out" by cleaning the faculty toilet because all the janitors are on strike.

Off topic, If your colleagues are making you clean toilets then call a co-ordinator. If you want I can come to your school and tell them to stop picking on you.

Someone like tang that defends his Korea with his life shouldnt mine cleaning and flushing down the crap of his own people though. So in my opinion he should do it.

Even though its a "Thankless" job with no validation. Cos doing something good doesnt need a thank you or a smile.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: zola on October 14, 2015, 03:44:29 pm
Actually you do have a choice.

You do NOT have to go to after school activities, and if it's a volleyball game, and not actually a school function, you can option to just sit at the school by yourself until 4:40.

Sure you don't have to do anything but it is tiring having to factor in the ridiculous sensitivities. One can but dream that one day we will be able to accept or decline social events and not have to feel that we are dealing with teenage girls who have just experienced their first heartache .

is a dream, a crazy dream but I can't let it go. One day Koreans will finally finish puberty. Mark my words, it will happen

Anywhere in the world, with any job, you are probably going to have to accept to do something you don't want to in order to have better relations with people you work with. Be happy its volleyball, or a meal here. Wait until your next job requires you to "help out" by cleaning the faculty toilet because all the janitors are on strike.
How many jobs have you had? I dont mean serving in a restaurant or other student jobs. Real, grown up jobs.
I'm probably a fair bit older than you and I've had a fair few jobs, here, in Japan, Italy and my home country. Never, and that's not an over exaggeration, never have I had to attend the kind of bollocks I've had to do here. Sure we had work parties, but no one give a shiit if you chose not to go. No one took offense.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 14, 2015, 03:48:34 pm
Actually you do have a choice.

You do NOT have to go to after school activities, and if it's a volleyball game, and not actually a school function, you can option to just sit at the school by yourself until 4:40.

Sure you don't have to do anything but it is tiring having to factor in the ridiculous sensitivities. One can but dream that one day we will be able to accept or decline social events and not have to feel that we are dealing with teenage girls who have just experienced their first heartache .

is a dream, a crazy dream but I can't let it go. One day Koreans will finally finish puberty. Mark my words, it will happen

Anywhere in the world, with any job, you are probably going to have to accept to do something you don't want to in order to have better relations with people you work with. Be happy its volleyball, or a meal here. Wait until your next job requires you to "help out" by cleaning the faculty toilet because all the janitors are on strike.

Most places in the world, in most jobs, being competent is enough. Sorry to break this to you but Korea is rather special in that it is vital that everyone go out together and get hammered although most if them hate it.

We all know that as long as you get blotto with the VP and turn your head away when you do a shot with the principal then it won't matter if you are Socrates reborn or you are renting your grade 3 students to Bielorussian sailors at Busan docks.

It's a great system for waegs without a clue but it can be a bit demoralising for those of us who give a toss about education.

Off topic, If your colleagues are making you clean toilets then call a co-ordinator. If you want I can come to your school and tell them to stop picking on you.

"Mind if you stay an extra hour or two for overtime?"

"I need someone to come in this weekend and organize the papers"

"I need you to take over my class as I just got called into an emergency meeting with a troubled student"

"Can you do me a solid and take this client of mine out for a night around town. He's your age and I have no clue how to entertain this guy, what with me being 50 and all".

"This is the new guy. Can you please show him the ropes?"

"You're coming to the work party right?"

I've had most of these questions asked me. Korea is exactly the same as the rest of the world. You are going to survive and keep your job even if you say no to everything. You're certainly not going to get any favors for yourself, and you're not going to get that promotion you want. 

I help out with covering classes. I do basically anything and everything my coteachers/principal asks of me. They let me choose my vacation dates 4 months/6 months ahead of time. They help me buy things I need that I can't otherwise find in English and sometimes not even request money. I have never had trouble asking to slip out of school early and having my vacation time taken off, or a couple hours during my deskwarming hours to run errands.

In our case, there is no promotion. But the favors I've received have certainly proved to be helpful.

Going to an event isn't so hard. Did you know someone had to take the time and plan out the event? What happens if no one shows up? Ever put together an activity that your kids gave 0 shit about? I'm guessing you were probably a little upset they weren't as enthusiastic as you thought they'd be.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 14, 2015, 03:53:40 pm
Actually you do have a choice.

You do NOT have to go to after school activities, and if it's a volleyball game, and not actually a school function, you can option to just sit at the school by yourself until 4:40.

Sure you don't have to do anything but it is tiring having to factor in the ridiculous sensitivities. One can but dream that one day we will be able to accept or decline social events and not have to feel that we are dealing with teenage girls who have just experienced their first heartache .

is a dream, a crazy dream but I can't let it go. One day Koreans will finally finish puberty. Mark my words, it will happen

Anywhere in the world, with any job, you are probably going to have to accept to do something you don't want to in order to have better relations with people you work with. Be happy its volleyball, or a meal here. Wait until your next job requires you to "help out" by cleaning the faculty toilet because all the janitors are on strike.
How many jobs have you had? I dont mean serving in a restaurant or other student jobs. Real, grown up jobs.
I'm probably a fair bit older than you and I've had a fair few jobs, here, in Japan, Italy and my home country. Never, and that's not an over exaggeration, never have I had to attend the kind of bollocks I've had to do here. Sure we had work parties, but no one give a shiit if you chose not to go. No one took offense.

I"m sure you've encountered bullocks here that you didn't have to at home. That's called cultural difference. With your age, You should know this by now. I"m sure there are things people will take offense to back home that no one would care about here.

If I didn't hold the door for a colleague back home, they'd think I am rude. Here, No one bats an eye.
If I held all my drinks with two hands and looked away as I drank from senior colleagues back in Canada, they'd think I was crazy. Here it's the norm.
If I took a nap at work in Canada, I'd be fired. Here it's the norm.
If I called someone I don't know an ajumma (or the english equivalent of the word) in English, they'd probably be very insulted. Here it's the norm.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: SteveP on October 14, 2015, 04:05:30 pm
Regarding 회식 and such school functions, attendance may well be mandatory if you expect another contract.

I met a former CT and some friends for dinner over the weekend. She casually told two relevant stories (hearsay, I admit it, but interesting).

1. She knew of this NET who made amazing lesson materials, handled all his middle school classes really well, and never caused any problems for the school. Unfortunately, he always had schedule conflicts and missed the faculty outings.
Renewal time came around. The principal didn't personally know the NET, so simply checked a box to request a new NET. No real reason, just, "Why not?" No discussions with the other faculty. (No apparent attempt by the principal the whole previous year to visit the classrooms or offices of teachers working daily in his school... :rolleyes:)
 I have no idea if the NET ever learned the (lack of) rationale behind his renewal rejection.

To the people making contract decisions, these events can be more important than impressive job performance.

2. Some other alleged NET was bold enough to offer soju to the high-level faculty first at one dinner. My CT related the story with awe and reverence. No mention was made of the NET's ability to do the job... but that soju offer was on point!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Savant on October 14, 2015, 05:34:19 pm
Do these people not have any respect for their own personal time? They just blindly do whatever their superiors tell them to do, whether or not they already had plans.

This is literally what Korean hierarchy is based on and how the entire society and culture functions. :undecided:

And when it's the blind leading the blind...or is that dumb leading the...
You can see why so many Koreans repeat the same mistakes again when they move into senior management. My job is to tell someone to do this thing which I don't quite understand because I was also blind before and knew not what I did. So, here make a Ppt. about the thing I want you tell us about in the meeting that we already know. /Morning and afternoon. Repeat and rinse at least twice a week for logging those unproductive hours. Cause you know Ppt. graphics are best friends with Active X controls. /Rant
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on October 15, 2015, 08:12:37 am
you're not going to get that promotion you want. 
True. A negative attitude is what is hindering me and many other waegs from reaching the dizzy heights of educational officialdom. So many open doors in Korea that I have slammed on myself. Thank you for reminding newbies that with the right spirit they can one day aspire to be a level 1+.

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They let me choose my vacation dates 4 months/6 months ahead of time.
Really!? I am gobsmacked! A workplace let a someone plan their contractually enforced vacation ahead of time? That's nuts. It's like you were working in a place with a predictable yearly cycle. They are so kind to you!

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They help me buy things I need that I can't otherwise find in English
Wow. I wish I had that kind of pull. Can you imagine getting someone to actually click a mouse for 3 minutes? You underestimate yourself. Sure, you're a model employee but to do that I think you have more than your fair share of charm. Your helpers wouldn't be of the fairer sex by any chance? Go get em',  you little heart breaker!

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Did you know someone had to take the time and plan out the event?
You've saved the best for last. Too often we forget the human hearts behind the hweshiks. We focus only on our selfish little lives and fail to see the toil and effort people put into it.

How would you feel it was your job? What if it was you who had to call the local samgyupsal joint to see if they could accommodate a large party. I have heard of cases where two or even three samgyupsal joints had to be called before securing a reservation. And then you actually have to go on the messenger, type the time and place and send it to everyone. All that for some whiny foreigner to spit in your face with some emasly excuse of having made plans for Friday night and if only you had told me on Thursday and blah blah blah.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: zola on October 15, 2015, 08:55:11 am
Actually you do have a choice.

You do NOT have to go to after school activities, and if it's a volleyball game, and not actually a school function, you can option to just sit at the school by yourself until 4:40.

Sure you don't have to do anything but it is tiring having to factor in the ridiculous sensitivities. One can but dream that one day we will be able to accept or decline social events and not have to feel that we are dealing with teenage girls who have just experienced their first heartache .

is a dream, a crazy dream but I can't let it go. One day Koreans will finally finish puberty. Mark my words, it will happen

Anywhere in the world, with any job, you are probably going to have to accept to do something you don't want to in order to have better relations with people you work with. Be happy its volleyball, or a meal here. Wait until your next job requires you to "help out" by cleaning the faculty toilet because all the janitors are on strike.
How many jobs have you had? I dont mean serving in a restaurant or other student jobs. Real, grown up jobs.
I'm probably a fair bit older than you and I've had a fair few jobs, here, in Japan, Italy and my home country. Never, and that's not an over exaggeration, never have I had to attend the kind of bollocks I've had to do here. Sure we had work parties, but no one give a shiit if you chose not to go. No one took offense.

I"m sure you've encountered bullocks here that you didn't have to at home. That's called cultural difference. With your age, You should know this by now. I"m sure there are things people will take offense to back home that no one would care about here.

If I didn't hold the door for a colleague back home, they'd think I am rude. Here, No one bats an eye.
If I held all my drinks with two hands and looked away as I drank from senior colleagues back in Canada, they'd think I was crazy. Here it's the norm.
If I took a nap at work in Canada, I'd be fired. Here it's the norm.
If I called someone I don't know an ajumma (or the english equivalent of the word) in English, they'd probably be very insulted. Here it's the norm.

Really? Cultural differences you say? Wow, thanks man.

As usual the point flies about 2 meters above your head.
You said everywhere in the world you would have to do similar things as Korea in regards to hweshik type things.
I said no, in the many jobs I've had in 3 other countries, that is not true.
Then you come back spouting off about "cultural differences". Yes, we know it's different, but thanks for the heads up.

Back home I went to the pub with my work mates most Thursday evenings, but if I didn't go I wasn't in danger of losing my job or being ostracized.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 15, 2015, 10:02:54 am
Zola, As usual I stick to the point and because its somethign you don't agree with, you then said I missed the point. I keep forgetting I am better off ignoring you. Crazy wins every time.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: zola on October 15, 2015, 10:08:14 am
The main discussion topic right now is having to go to staff dinners outside of work hours.
You went off on a tangent because you have autism and can't relate to people in everyday life.

Notice how quite a few people call you out for being spaz across a range of topics?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on October 15, 2015, 10:10:44 am
Words that hurt  :-[
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on October 15, 2015, 10:40:25 am
When Korean's think that America is Trump, and they start talking about how much better Korea is because of Trump, and flame Trump and praise Korea...

It's sorta fun, because 90% of Koreans have the same views as Trump...

It's hilarious to show them how Koreans are actually worse than Trump, the new "Look how much better we are" scapegoat.

"Did you hear those things that Trump said about Korea?!! and Koreans!?"

Yeah I did, and actually he does have a valid point, even though his rhetoric is extreme.
Wait? Did you just tell me the other day, that Koreans should be treated BETTER than waygooks, because this is Korea!



"......" "well Korea has uniq...."


Yeah yeah yeah, walk away.


Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jomi on October 15, 2015, 11:43:51 am
I'm getting really done with co-teachers flat out ignoring lower level/learning disordered kids in class (less-able kids not totally disabled kids, the ones that would be able to produce work if helped, not the kids that would benefit more from more help with Korean literacy) as sitting down at the computer wondering why a writing task is dragging on when I'm alone making sure the lower level kids are doing something and not sleeping at their desk or something.

I don't get how it's acceptable to let kids, ranging from having relatively mild learning difficulties to honestly just being lazy, to sit in class and do nothing. I don't find that acceptable and I'm getting pretty annoyed at kids thinking that 'no' is something they can say to me. I tell you to write, you write it's not an option. I've give all the resources the kids need to write they key sentences at least and give support for as long as they need it there is no reason any kid should produce nothing at all in 15 minutes. I can be on top of every kid all class which is why the KT is in the room. Dear KT please do your effing job.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 15, 2015, 11:56:18 am
The main discussion topic right now is having to go to staff dinners outside of work hours.
You went off on a tangent because you have autism and can't relate to people in everyday life.

Notice how quite a few people call you out for being spaz across a range of topics?

Actually the main discussion was both staff dinners outside of work  hours and volleyball during work hours.  Let's not cherry pick for your own gain. We're not trying to prove religion here. As for people calling me out, I've already taken it as fact that most people here are quite uneducated. Most vocal people are. I of course am part of this illustrious group as well. Difference between you and I is that I have no illusion of how little I know.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on October 15, 2015, 11:58:12 am
Back on topic:

I see richardtang1991's posts everyday. Truly soul-crushing.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: sweetkat on October 15, 2015, 12:01:57 pm
i'd love to leave a gem of a response i had from a Korean teacher.  At the beginning of last semester, i was told not to give homework or worksheets.  I asked why...she said they don't need the practice.  Again I asked why....she said 'that's what hagwons are for.'  I said many of these students don't go to hagwons...she said 'those students won't need english. they'll work in factories.'   writing students off in elementary school...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChickenLegsMcGee on October 15, 2015, 12:04:05 pm
Back on topic:

I see richardtang1991's posts everyday. Truly soul-crushing.

I sort of get what you're saying...Kinda like the post you just left here.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on October 15, 2015, 12:06:54 pm
I'm getting really done with co-teachers flat out ignoring lower level/learning disordered kids in class (less-able kids not totally disabled kids, the ones that would be able to produce work if helped, not the kids that would benefit more from more help with Korean literacy) as sitting down at the computer wondering why a writing task is dragging on when I'm alone making sure the lower level kids are doing something and not sleeping at their desk or something.

I don't get how it's acceptable to let kids, ranging from having relatively mild learning difficulties to honestly just being lazy, to sit in class and do nothing. I don't find that acceptable and I'm getting pretty annoyed at kids thinking that 'no' is something they can say to me. I tell you to write, you write it's not an option. I've give all the resources the kids need to write they key sentences at least and give support for as long as they need it there is no reason any kid should produce nothing at all in 15 minutes. I can be on top of every kid all class which is why the KT is in the room. Dear KT please do your effing job.

This year, is the year that I stopped caring about that stuff.

Half the kids don't even have their books in class, while most have torn their books to shreds... but hey, that's fine apparently. I wonder if their Korean books look the same.

I can't really blame them, I probably would of been the same way if I was in an, always pass to the next grade, system.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on October 15, 2015, 12:32:23 pm
I'm getting really done with co-teachers flat out ignoring lower level/learning disordered kids in class (less-able kids not totally disabled kids, the ones that would be able to produce work if helped, not the kids that would benefit more from more help with Korean literacy) as sitting down at the computer wondering why a writing task is dragging on when I'm alone making sure the lower level kids are doing something and not sleeping at their desk or something.

I don't get how it's acceptable to let kids, ranging from having relatively mild learning difficulties to honestly just being lazy, to sit in class and do nothing. I don't find that acceptable and I'm getting pretty annoyed at kids thinking that 'no' is something they can say to me. I tell you to write, you write it's not an option. I've give all the resources the kids need to write they key sentences at least and give support for as long as they need it there is no reason any kid should produce nothing at all in 15 minutes. I can be on top of every kid all class which is why the KT is in the room. Dear KT please do your effing job.

This year, is the year that I stopped caring about that stuff.

Half the kids don't even have their books in class, while most have torn their books to shreds... but hey, that's fine apparently. I wonder if their Korean books look the same.

I can't really blame them, I probably would of been the same way if I was in an, always pass to the next grade, system.

Way ahead of you by a couple of years. I agree it's morally dubious but it's frankly it's just common sense. Everybody else has. Who wants to be the only adult around who cares about the education of Korean children while being the most powerless to do anything about it.

I don't blame the kids for giving up. In fact it shows smarts. Let's face it, their parents hate them, the school system hates and their entire society hates them. Sure the longnoses seem to care for some reason but I can see why they are suspicious. Passive resistance is the best strategy.

As far as I'm concerned I've done my job. I'm tall, white and can put on a suit without looking like a shepherd asking the bank for a loan extension. That's what they really want from me so that is what they will get. The second anyone in this country starts giving a shit about learning English then I will activate. Until then it's bingo time.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jomi on October 15, 2015, 01:12:22 pm
I'm getting really done with co-teachers flat out ignoring lower level/learning disordered kids in class (less-able kids not totally disabled kids, the ones that would be able to produce work if helped, not the kids that would benefit more from more help with Korean literacy) as sitting down at the computer wondering why a writing task is dragging on when I'm alone making sure the lower level kids are doing something and not sleeping at their desk or something.

I don't get how it's acceptable to let kids, ranging from having relatively mild learning difficulties to honestly just being lazy, to sit in class and do nothing. I don't find that acceptable and I'm getting pretty annoyed at kids thinking that 'no' is something they can say to me. I tell you to write, you write it's not an option. I've give all the resources the kids need to write they key sentences at least and give support for as long as they need it there is no reason any kid should produce nothing at all in 15 minutes. I can be on top of every kid all class which is why the KT is in the room. Dear KT please do your effing job.

This year, is the year that I stopped caring about that stuff.

Half the kids don't even have their books in class, while most have torn their books to shreds... but hey, that's fine apparently. I wonder if their Korean books look the same.

I can't really blame them, I probably would of been the same way if I was in an, always pass to the next grade, system.

Way ahead of you by a couple of years. I agree it's morally dubious but it's frankly it's just common sense. Everybody else has. Who wants to be the only adult around who cares about the education of Korean children while being the most powerless to do anything about it.

I don't blame the kids for giving up. In fact it shows smarts. Let's face it, their parents hate them, the school system hates and their entire society hates them. Sure the longnoses seem to care for some reason but I can see why they are suspicious. Passive resistance is the best strategy.

As far as I'm concerned I've done my job. I'm tall, white and can put on a suit without looking like a shepherd asking the bank for a loan extension. That's what they really want from me so that is what they will get. The second anyone in this country starts giving a shit about learning English then I will activate. Until then it's bingo time.

It's super frustrating to have Korea in general talking about how their education is so good!! Students work so hard!! etc. but teachers don't give a shit. of course the kids sleep in class and don't bring their books. In any country if kids can get away with doing very little in class, they will try it, but in a lot other countries teachers care enough to at least attempt to get kids to do stuff. The fact that these kids will look me dead in the eye and say 'no, i'm not doing this task' and seem baffled when I don't leave them alone, or chastise them for poor attitude and poor behaviour just makes me think in other lessons they get away with it.

Maybe if teachers in public school cared kids wouldn't need to be in hakwons until 10pm.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: z80 on October 15, 2015, 01:35:53 pm
The students or the teachers don't work hard. They just work long hours.

They haven't worked out the difference between working long hours and working hard yet.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on October 15, 2015, 01:36:25 pm
I've written about this one here before, but...

Last year, we had a new fourth grade student come in who had just moved from Japan. He was half-Korean and spoke it well- not perfect, but very well, according to his friends in the class- but he didn't know how to write.

His homeroom teacher's solution to this was to tell him just to write everything in Japanese and she'd give him 100.

My evil cowteacher's response to his existence was to go OMG HE CANNOT SPEAK KOREAN AND HE CAN'T WRITE KOREAN SO PLEASE PLEASE DON'T TRY TO TEACH HIM ENGLISH.

But he speaks English pretty well. And he's been taking English classes since he was in kindergarten. And I have actually taught in Japan, so I know what kids his age tend to be capable of, and--

OH NO OH NO HE CAN NEVER LEARN ENGLISH BECAUSE HE CANNOT EVEN SPEAK KOREAN

How does that follow...?


So, yeah. He can't write in Korean, and he lives in Korea, so let's not teach him how because...? And he "can't speak" Korean, so he will never learn English because....?

And I won't even get into the hysterics that occurred every time she saw me near a child who was struggling. She ignored them and yelled at me when I tried to help. I saw many, many kids come in as shy third graders and absolutely blossom over two years because I worked with them, but the second this incomparably evil cOuntESS showed up...

Man, I don't miss Korea at all.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on October 15, 2015, 01:38:44 pm

Maybe if teachers in public school cared kids wouldn't need to be in hakwons until 10pm.

There is a problem with teachers but the biggest culprits are the parents. From what I've seen Korean parents seem to detest their own progenies. That's why the kids are in hakwon until all hours. The adults don't want to spend any time with them. The education craze has nothing to do with the betterment of children but all to do with bragging rights, social climbing and terrible provisions for old age.

This sounds really terrible but I think that most Koreans should not have children. Most of them didn't have a childhood to speak of decent parents to have as role models. They had children out of respect for custom and not out of desire. It's a brutal truth but they are truly bad parents. If you don't believe me do a quick survey of your students. I will bet you that more of them know how to play the piano than know how to swim. You don't force a child to start padding resumes before securing basic survival skills unless you don't really give a shit about them but you do care about their money making ability.

The Sewol tragedy embarrassed Korea internationally so we are now in the end phase of a period where lip service to child safety was paid. Laws can be passed but you can't force love. An educated adult who lets a toddler stand on the passenger seat while driving through Seoul traffic does not love that child. That's the real nasty reason why kids are in hagwons until way past bedtime. Their parents don't love them.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nmoolman on October 15, 2015, 01:53:54 pm
I have to teach 2 weeks of social studies starting on Mon. The plan is that I teach them a little abt festivals around the world and then they have to plan a festival and make a poster for it. I asked my handler (and wrote it down on a note!) to please buy the following: 85 x posters, 10 x colored pencils and 10 x glue sticks. Right then we went online and I showed her what I wanted her to order. I got the posters and the glue sticks as ordered and ONE PACKET of 10 colored pencils... !!!! I just looked at her, shook my head and walked out.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jomi on October 15, 2015, 02:02:18 pm

Maybe if teachers in public school cared kids wouldn't need to be in hakwons until 10pm.

There is a problem with teachers but the biggest culprits are the parents. From what I've seen Korean parents seem to detest their own progenies. That's why the kids are in hakwon until all hours. The adults don't want to spend any time with them. The education craze has nothing to do with the betterment of children but all to do with bragging rights, social climbing and terrible provisions for old age.

This sounds really terrible but I think that most Koreans should not have children. Most of them didn't have a childhood to speak of decent parents to have as role models. They had children out of respect for custom and not out of desire. It's a brutal truth but they are truly bad parents. If you don't believe me do a quick survey of your students. I will bet you that more of them know how to play the piano than know how to swim. You don't force a child to start padding resumes before securing basic survival skills unless you don't really give a shit about them but you do care about their money making ability.

The Sewol tragedy embarrassed Korea internationally so we are now in the end phase of a period where lip service to child safety was paid. Laws can be passed but you can't force love. An educated adult who lets a toddler stand on the passenger seat while driving through Seoul traffic does not love that child. That's the real nasty reason why kids are in hagwons until way past bedtime. Their parents don't love them.

Oh I agree that bad/lazy parenting is also part of it. It's no coincidence that the students in my classes with the best English language skills, display actual intelligence rather than simple academic skill, the best social skills and best behaviour are the kids who don't go to hakwon every day and actually do homework with the parents, play, and go to bed at a decent enough hour. This is why schools in England require parents to read with their children three times a week. You can tell which kids have parents that don't interact with them much.
I get that parents work and work often does not end until long after school finishes and there are benefits to what i think of as 'hobby hakwons' after school hours (musical instruments, taekwondo etc) but not multiple ones every day of the week until late.

And yeah, I'd agree that any Korean that isn't having a child to love and nurture and raise well should not have a child. If you're unwilling to adjust your life to make way for a child and the attention they require don't have a kid. It's not right to have a child, and pass them off to pretty much any other adult via endless hakwons while you go out and get wasted at office parties every other weekday or whatever it is these hella hands-off parents do.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Savant on October 15, 2015, 05:02:50 pm
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If you're unwilling to adjust your life to make way for a child and the attention they require don't have a kid.

Well they don't have a choice since they rely on children to take care of them in their old age and there's no retirement situation like social security (i've been told)

And apparently they haven't thought of saving up their own income for their retirement instead of relying on a child who may or may not (but will, because of this culture) support them financially when they're old.

Child rearing Dynastic Ponzi schemes. The younger keeps taking care of the elder but once the next younger says "f@ck you!" to the elder then it all comes crashing down.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aristocrat on October 16, 2015, 11:13:11 am
How is it that SK manages to completely f*ck up everything that comes out of an oven?

I wanted to make some garlic rolls and didn't feel like making the bread, so I gingerly bought a 'baguette' at the supermarket. The damn thing was coated with sugar! I've been to numerous establishments and all the mange to do is f*ck up baked goods in different ways.

Baking good bread is an art, but baking something decent isn't that hard. I would at least expect them to get it right, by accident, after so long.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChrisKorea on October 16, 2015, 11:33:47 am
How is it that SK manages to completely f*ck up everything that comes out of an oven?

I wanted to make some garlic rolls and didn't feel like making the bread, so I gingerly bought a 'baguette' at the supermarket. The damn thing was coated with sugar! I've been to numerous establishments and all the mange to do is f*ck up baked goods in different ways.

Baking good bread is an art, but baking something decent isn't that hard. I would at least expect them to get it right, by accident, after so long.

Yeah, garlic bread here is as sweet as cake. Pretty much anything baked is not as good in Korea. Last Christmas, to treat myself, I bought a really nice-looking chocolate cake for 30,000 won and it was the most tasteless thing I have ever tasted. I couldn't believe she had just baked it but I saw her bring it out. So disappointing.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: englishrose on October 16, 2015, 11:40:03 am
How is it that SK manages to completely f*ck up everything that comes out of an oven?

I wanted to make some garlic rolls and didn't feel like making the bread, so I gingerly bought a 'baguette' at the supermarket. The damn thing was coated with sugar! I've been to numerous establishments and all the mange to do is f*ck up baked goods in different ways.

Baking good bread is an art, but baking something decent isn't that hard. I would at least expect them to get it right, by accident, after so long.

Baguette is hard to get really right but it's really easy to come up with an acceptable one. Even British supermarkets can pull it off. What drives me nuts is that when you have the word Baguette in your brand name, try and bake more than 2 a day. And no, a garlic baguette does not count
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Action Jackson on October 16, 2015, 12:13:51 pm
How is it that SK manages to completely f*ck up everything that comes out of an oven?

I wanted to make some garlic rolls and didn't feel like making the bread, so I gingerly bought a 'baguette' at the supermarket. The damn thing was coated with sugar! I've been to numerous establishments and all the mange to do is f*ck up baked goods in different ways.

Baking good bread is an art, but baking something decent isn't that hard. I would at least expect them to get it right, by accident, after so long.

Yeah, garlic bread here is as sweet as cake. Pretty much anything baked is not as good in Korea. Last Christmas, to treat myself, I bought a really nice-looking chocolate cake for 30,000 won and it was the most tasteless thing I have ever tasted. I couldn't believe she had just baked it but I saw her bring it out. So disappointing.
After eating so many tasteless cakes here, I paid 12,500 won for a piece, a piece mind you, of chocolate cake from Juniors (I guess it's some bakery from New York that you can sometimes find in the department stores) and by god if it wasn't the best piece of cake I've ever had here.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on October 16, 2015, 12:37:25 pm
The little town I teach at outside my city has a Face Shop but no Paris Baguette or anything like it.. makes me shake my head
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Paul on October 16, 2015, 01:10:57 pm
Why do the textbooks constantly teach about Korea, and urinara in English? Learn about some western culture using the western language, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, the kids might find learning a bit more interesting...

I'll actually defend that. I think its one of the most interesting chapters in the 6th grade book... if done correctly. The textbook we used last year had them roughly but factually describe Korean things in English (ssireum is a type of Korean wrestling). Speaking about familiar topics made the lesson a lot smoother and let them focus on the new language itself. You could then extend that skill to other common things in a follow-up lesson (sumo is a type of Japanese wrestling). That's a useful skill that's sorely lacking.

The wrong way on the flipside is epitomised by the textbook I have on the desk in front of me right now where the target language is "Do you know about []?" "Oh! I think it's wonderful." Yeaaaaaah. I think I might lean heavily on last year's material.

My rant of the day is the tool downstairs who decided last week to start cranking K-pop at the surrounding apartment blocks starting at midnight and then upping the volume at 2 am. I think he's actually a block or two away from me. Sadly, whilst low white noise, background music or earplugs will block out the rubbish, it won't block out the audible rage of my neighbours (although I can't particularly blame them).
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: oglop on October 16, 2015, 01:42:22 pm
there's been an outbreak of rats in our office.

traps were put down.

rat got caught. didn't die in trap. made the worst screeching sounds i've ever heard! poor little ******. hope the janitor put it out of it's misery quickly.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Action Jackson on October 16, 2015, 02:57:43 pm
I don't understand hagwons and their making students memorize words.  One of my students was studying her word list and asked me what a word was.  I looked at it and told her I had never in my whole entire life seen or heard that word being used.  Using a bit of google, it had to do with evolutionary biology.  This girl is in 4th grade. 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: sweetkat on October 16, 2015, 03:02:23 pm


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My rant of the day is the tool downstairs who decided last week to start cranking K-pop at the surrounding apartment blocks starting at midnight and then upping the volume at 2 am. I think he's actually a block or two away from me. Sadly, whilst low white noise, background music or earplugs will block out the rubbish, it won't block out the audible rage of my neighbours (although I can't particularly blame them).
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I used to live with a bunch of students and old people. At 2 am either an old man would be doing buddist chants, a young couple would have a screaming match, or the guy next door to me would decide to have his tv up loud at 3 am. I started playing polka music.  The guy always turned off his tv after that.  i like polka..so its annoying to others and fun for me.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: CO2 on October 16, 2015, 03:38:30 pm
What the heck is that famous Titanic song called? It's being BLASTED somewhere near my school... Seriously?

MY HEAAARRRTTTT WILLLLL GO ON AAANNNDNDNDD OOONONNONONONOONONO

Duh.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Aqvm on October 19, 2015, 08:23:27 am
I don't understand hagwons and their making students memorize words.  One of my students was studying her word list and asked me what a word was.  I looked at it and told her I had never in my whole entire life seen or heard that word being used.  Using a bit of google, it had to do with evolutionary biology.  This girl is in 4th grade.
I hate the word lists that kids have to memorize at my high school so much. They are like 15-pages, 2 columns of words per page, and every single line is just (one English word) - (one Korean word). No context, no explanation. Not every English word has a 1:1 Korean equivalent...

It's just an exercise in making them hate English while falling deeper into the typical Konglish word-usage errors.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on October 19, 2015, 08:31:59 am
I don't understand hagwons and their making students memorize words.  One of my students was studying her word list and asked me what a word was.  I looked at it and told her I had never in my whole entire life seen or heard that word being used.  Using a bit of google, it had to do with evolutionary biology.  This girl is in 4th grade.
I hate the word lists that kids have to memorize at my high school so much. They are like 15-pages, 2 columns of words per page, and every single line is just (one English word) - (one Korean word). No context, no explanation. Not every English word has a 1:1 Korean equivalent...

It's just an exercise in making them hate English while falling deeper into the typical Konglish word-usage errors.

Oh yes the glorious, "do you know this word?" Ummm... we never use, and I have never heard of that word before in my entire life. (Look it up: Old English derived from some Latin context, popular in 1655).

Then you get the ole... "you must not know English well face... followed by the, I am going to use this word anyway, IN THE WRONG CONTEXT as well.."
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jamonamagnet on October 19, 2015, 08:34:21 am
I have to teach 2 weeks of social studies starting on Mon. The plan is that I teach them a little abt festivals around the world and then they have to plan a festival and make a poster for it. I asked my handler (and wrote it down on a note!) to please buy the following: 85 x posters, 10 x colored pencils and 10 x glue sticks. Right then we went online and I showed her what I wanted her to order. I got the posters and the glue sticks as ordered and ONE PACKET of 10 colored pencils... !!!! I just looked at her, shook my head and walked out.
You asked for 10 x colored pencils and got 10 colored pencils.  What's the problem?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on October 19, 2015, 09:35:41 am
I have to teach 2 weeks of social studies starting on Mon. The plan is that I teach them a little abt festivals around the world and then they have to plan a festival and make a poster for it. I asked my handler (and wrote it down on a note!) to please buy the following: 85 x posters, 10 x colored pencils and 10 x glue sticks. Right then we went online and I showed her what I wanted her to order. I got the posters and the glue sticks as ordered and ONE PACKET of 10 colored pencils... !!!! I just looked at her, shook my head and walked out.
You asked for 10 x colored pencils and got 10 colored pencils.  What's the problem?
Yeah I can see where the confusion came from. Im sure if you ask for more, it will be fine.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChrisKorea on October 20, 2015, 08:59:21 am
I am back in my bad travel school after being away for three weeks, and as expected, it is Hell. For the first class back I just wanted to play a game with them. The game is a simple boggle game. I show a grid of nine letters (3x3), each team tries to get as many words as possible in three minutes, then they have to eliminate the words they have in common. It sounds so easy, but implementing was torture. Getting them to do each step was like trying to steer a boat in churning waters, because they were so loud and not understanding the concept, even when my co-teacher explained it, and then they are all talking at once, every word is disputed, even ones that do not exist (like ‘ral’ and ‘lge’) and they just keep talking and talking. At first, after they had finished getting words in three minutes, I had one person from each team stand, and one would read a word, and I wanted it so that if they both had the word, they crossed it out, but of course the people sitting kept talking, the person would just read through the list, there would be discussions within each group (loud ones) and it was so f*ck*ng chaotic. I just wanted to play a game, for f*ck’s sake. And the co-teacher (Mr. Kim) was here, and was helping: he would try to direct the whole reading out loud process, but it was too much, and then I decided to just collect the papers and figure out which words were valid on my own each time, and though it made things run smoother it also made the game more boring. Argh, I hate this travel school.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on October 20, 2015, 09:02:34 am
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I am back in my bad travel school after being away for three weeks, and as expected, it is Hell. For the first class back I just wanted to play a game with them. The game is a simple boggle game. I show a grid of nine letters (3x3), each team tries to get as many words as possible in three minutes, then they have to eliminate the words they have in common. It sounds so easy, but implementing was torture. Getting them to do each step was like trying to steer a boat in churning waters, because they were so loud and not understanding the concept, even when my co-teacher explained it, and then they are all talking at once, every word is disputed, even ones that do not exist (like ‘ral’ and ‘lge’) and they just keep talking and talking. At first, after they had finished getting words in three minutes, I had one person from each team stand, and one would read a word, and I wanted it so that if they both had the word, they crossed it out, but of course the people sitting kept talking, the person would just read through the list, there would be discussions within each group (loud ones) and it was so f*ck*ng chaotic. I just wanted to play a game, for f*ck’s sake. And the co-teacher (Mr. Kim) was here, and was helping: he would try to direct the whole reading out loud process, but it was too much, and then I decided to just collect the papers and figure out which words were valid on my own each time, and though it made things run smoother it also made the game more boring. Argh, I hate this travel school.


middle school? it sounds like you tried to do an activity that was a bit too complicated for them. i've found keeping things simple is usually better, and can help with classroom management.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChrisKorea on October 20, 2015, 09:12:24 am
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I am back in my bad travel school after being away for three weeks, and as expected, it is Hell. For the first class back I just wanted to play a game with them. The game is a simple boggle game. I show a grid of nine letters (3x3), each team tries to get as many words as possible in three minutes, then they have to eliminate the words they have in common. It sounds so easy, but implementing was torture. Getting them to do each step was like trying to steer a boat in churning waters, because they were so loud and not understanding the concept, even when my co-teacher explained it, and then they are all talking at once, every word is disputed, even ones that do not exist (like ‘ral’ and ‘lge’) and they just keep talking and talking. At first, after they had finished getting words in three minutes, I had one person from each team stand, and one would read a word, and I wanted it so that if they both had the word, they crossed it out, but of course the people sitting kept talking, the person would just read through the list, there would be discussions within each group (loud ones) and it was so f*ck*ng chaotic. I just wanted to play a game, for f*ck’s sake. And the co-teacher (Mr. Kim) was here, and was helping: he would try to direct the whole reading out loud process, but it was too much, and then I decided to just collect the papers and figure out which words were valid on my own each time, and though it made things run smoother it also made the game more boring. Argh, I hate this travel school.


middle school? it sounds like you tried to do an activity that was a bit too complicated for them. i've found keeping things simple is usually better, and can help with classroom management.

Yeah, I was worried it would be too hard for them, but my co-teacher said he would translate, so don't worry. Shouldn't have listened.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: meepmoopimmarobots on October 20, 2015, 10:15:24 am
My boss and the office manager are having a very intense conversation and the only thing anyone's said in English is my boss suddenly yelling "That is bull to me! That is crap!" and I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SAYING BUT I'M BAD AT CHINESE!  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on October 20, 2015, 10:38:28 am
Yeah, I was worried it would be too hard for them, but my co-teacher said he would translate, so don't worry. Shouldn't have listened.

yeah i tried to do a scattergories game like that before when i was still teaching high school, where they get points only for unique words that other teams haven't made.

disaster. way too much talking, arguing, and confusion.

so after that every time i did scattergories or anything simple, it would just be: get points for however many words you get.

also, for games like that there will be a lot of talking and stuff. if you just go with the flow and try not to let it bother you, things will go better. it's difficult, i know. half the battle is trying to make sure you don't get annoyed.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: orionchocopie on October 20, 2015, 01:03:05 pm
When I have done Scattergories I write all of the teams' answers on the board.  Then I can show them the points by indicating an answer is unique (2 points), the same as another team (1 point each) or not in the category (0 points).  They soon figure it out.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: ChrisKorea on October 20, 2015, 01:29:30 pm
When I have done Scattergories I write all of the teams' answers on the board.  Then I can show them the points by indicating an answer is unique (2 points), the same as another team (1 point each) or not in the category (0 points).  They soon figure it out.

That's kind of what I did for my second class. I had each team use a whiteboard instead of writing them on paper, and then they held them up so everyone could see as we went through the answers. It seemed to help things along.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 20, 2015, 01:40:38 pm
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I am back in my bad travel school after being away for three weeks, and as expected, it is Hell. For the first class back I just wanted to play a game with them. The game is a simple boggle game. I show a grid of nine letters (3x3), each team tries to get as many words as possible in three minutes, then they have to eliminate the words they have in common. It sounds so easy, but implementing was torture. Getting them to do each step was like trying to steer a boat in churning waters, because they were so loud and not understanding the concept, even when my co-teacher explained it, and then they are all talking at once, every word is disputed, even ones that do not exist (like ‘ral’ and ‘lge’) and they just keep talking and talking. At first, after they had finished getting words in three minutes, I had one person from each team stand, and one would read a word, and I wanted it so that if they both had the word, they crossed it out, but of course the people sitting kept talking, the person would just read through the list, there would be discussions within each group (loud ones) and it was so f*ck*ng chaotic. I just wanted to play a game, for f*ck’s sake. And the co-teacher (Mr. Kim) was here, and was helping: he would try to direct the whole reading out loud process, but it was too much, and then I decided to just collect the papers and figure out which words were valid on my own each time, and though it made things run smoother it also made the game more boring. Argh, I hate this travel school.


middle school? it sounds like you tried to do an activity that was a bit too complicated for them. I've found keeping things simple is usually better, and can help with classroom management.

There are a few games like this that can take a class period to get the kids familiar with game play.  Battleship is one of them.  If they get the concept, you can whip it out for future lessons and modify activities for it so easily.  It gets them speaking and they really like the competition/secrecy. 

But explaining how to mark your own guesses to map your partner's waters and getting them to understand how to mark their partner's guesses so they can properly respond can be a nightmare the first time around.  One of those games that so easy to demonstrate, yet way more complicated than it should be to articulate.  Animating a PPT is best so all can see, but tedious in and of itself.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nermal on October 20, 2015, 02:28:54 pm
There are a few games like this that can take a class period to get the kids familiar with game play.  Battleship is one of them.  If they get the concept, you can whip it out for future lessons and modify activities for it so easily.  It gets them speaking and they really like the competition/secrecy. 

But explaining how to mark your own guesses to map your partner's waters and getting them to understand how to mark their partner's guesses so they can properly respond can be a nightmare the first time around.  One of those games that so easy to demonstrate, yet way more complicated than it should be to articulate.  Animating a PPT is best so all can see, but tedious in and of itself.

It was difficult to teach adults how to do this. I tried to do it using the expressions that we were using in class, and that just went too far over their heads. The next class I just brought the simple, normal battleship game and had them play. Finally they figured it out. I've used it a couple times since then. Before they figured it out though, that was one of my more frustrating experiences.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: oglop on October 20, 2015, 02:41:55 pm
There are a few games like this that can take a class period to get the kids familiar with game play.  Battleship is one of them.  If they get the concept, you can whip it out for future lessons and modify activities for it so easily.  It gets them speaking and they really like the competition/secrecy. 

But explaining how to mark your own guesses to map your partner's waters and getting them to understand how to mark their partner's guesses so they can properly respond can be a nightmare the first time around.  One of those games that so easy to demonstrate, yet way more complicated than it should be to articulate.  Animating a PPT is best so all can see, but tedious in and of itself.

It was difficult to teach adults how to do this. I tried to do it using the expressions that we were using in class, and that just went too far over their heads. The next class I just brought the simple, normal battleship game and had them play. Finally they figured it out. I've used it a couple times since then. Before they figured it out though, that was one of my more frustrating experiences.
came here to say this. i've done it many a time with adults, and it's always proved a little tricky.. even when demonstrating!
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny2shoes on October 20, 2015, 04:18:58 pm
For the past few years I have arranged my schools Halloween activity. Through trial and error I have figured out what works and what doesn't. The activities always go smoothly and the kids seem to enjoy themselves. This year, the boss wants to do one of the activities outside. (I think she is looking for an opportunity to get some free advertising.)
Personally I think it is an incredibly bad idea to take the students out to the small paved plaza area in front of the school. The area is a popular drinking area for ajjoshis and atleast for the later part of the day, it will be dark.  Even though I know she will not be disuaded, I mention my concerns. As expected she shrugs them off.  No problem. I take some time and come up with a few suggestions for activites. They next time I see her she tells me she has taken care of the activites. She then presents me with her activites. She bought one of those alligator things that bite down when you press the wrong tooth and the old pirate in a barrel thing that pops out if you put the sword in the wrong slot. That's it. There will be 20-30 kids at a time doing these "activities". This will be a disaster.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on October 20, 2015, 09:30:45 pm
For the past few years I have arranged my schools Halloween activity. Through trial and error I have figured out what works and what doesn't. The activities always go smoothly and the kids seem to enjoy themselves. This year, the boss wants to do one of the activities outside. (I think she is looking for an opportunity to get some free advertising.)
Personally I think it is an incredibly bad idea to take the students out to the small paved plaza area in front of the school. The area is a popular drinking area for ajjoshis and atleast for the later part of the day, it will be dark.  Even though I know she will not be disuaded, I mention my concerns. As expected she shrugs them off.  No problem. I take some time and come up with a few suggestions for activites. They next time I see her she tells me she has taken care of the activites. She then presents me with her activites. She bought one of those alligator things that bite down when you press the wrong tooth and the old pirate in a barrel thing that pops out if you put the sword in the wrong slot. That's it. There will be 20-30 kids at a time doing these "activities". This will be a disaster.
I tried to do Halloween activities today but technology wasn't on my side and they were disappointed that I didn't so anything scary...

When is this meant to happen? Make a pin the nose on the jack-o-lantern game or something like that. Costume contest? Bobbing for apples(or something else)? If you have time there are tons of activities you could do :)
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: nomadicmadda on October 21, 2015, 07:53:18 am
There are a few games like this that can take a class period to get the kids familiar with game play.  Battleship is one of them.  If they get the concept, you can whip it out for future lessons and modify activities for it so easily.  It gets them speaking and they really like the competition/secrecy. 

But explaining how to mark your own guesses to map your partner's waters and getting them to understand how to mark their partner's guesses so they can properly respond can be a nightmare the first time around.  One of those games that so easy to demonstrate, yet way more complicated than it should be to articulate.  Animating a PPT is best so all can see, but tedious in and of itself.

It was difficult to teach adults how to do this. I tried to do it using the expressions that we were using in class, and that just went too far over their heads. The next class I just brought the simple, normal battleship game and had them play. Finally they figured it out. I've used it a couple times since then. Before they figured it out though, that was one of my more frustrating experiences.
came here to say this. i've done it many a time with adults, and it's always proved a little tricky.. even when demonstrating!

Seriously, it's such a nightmare.  Once they get it, it's a great format to re-use since it gets everyone speaking (partners) with no pressure (no spotlight on you), but I'll be damned if I don't pull my hair out every time.  I did my PPT for it in a rush on Monday, but I'm going to polish it up for the rest of my classes next week.  I'll post it on here so others can modify it for their own lessons and throw the slides into their PPTs with altered target language :wink:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Hot6^ on October 21, 2015, 08:00:07 am
There are a few games like this that can take a class period to get the kids familiar with game play.  Battleship is one of them.  If they get the concept, you can whip it out for future lessons and modify activities for it so easily.  It gets them speaking and they really like the competition/secrecy. 

But explaining how to mark your own guesses to map your partner's waters and getting them to understand how to mark their partner's guesses so they can properly respond can be a nightmare the first time around.  One of those games that so easy to demonstrate, yet way more complicated than it should be to articulate.  Animating a PPT is best so all can see, but tedious in and of itself.

It was difficult to teach adults how to do this. I tried to do it using the expressions that we were using in class, and that just went too far over their heads. The next class I just brought the simple, normal battleship game and had them play. Finally they figured it out. I've used it a couple times since then. Before they figured it out though, that was one of my more frustrating experiences.

Korea just lacks problem solving capabilities in general... and it obviously all stems from their early education; as there is absolutely no critical thinking or problem solving required.

The fact that even adults, with very good visual aids, prompts etc... regardless of language, cant understand how to play simple games is mind blowing to me.

Korean's CAN"T think for themselves. They aren't taught to, and society doesn't allow for it.

It's frustrating.

I am super confident, that I could take any age group of westerners, and they would understand the concept of yunnori (Which is more complicated that battleship) speak to them in Korean, but have the same amount of visual aid etc.. and they would get it in about 20 min or less.



2:


Spent all afternoon yesterday creating a scavenger hunt type game, with six different routes for six different groups... CT and I were suppose to do it together, obviously during her free time she did prep or plan anything... so when I didn't have class, I pretty much walked out, and planned everything, and created the materials....

Come in today... I think we should cancel because of micro dust...

 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: johnny russian on October 21, 2015, 09:20:18 am
so lots of talk about battleships.

i've uploaded here this excellent ppt i got from here on how to play it. i didn't make it, but it's really good, and my students understood pretty well how to play it after doing this with them. especially after a brief demonstration with my coteacher.

it uses a lot of overlapping triggers so run it in full-screen mode.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Imogen1991 on October 21, 2015, 09:56:24 am
The air is so disgusting atm, feel like im gonna cough up my lungs at any given moment. An asthmatic does not belong in this air

*dying*  :blank:
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: iseya on October 21, 2015, 10:02:25 am
When I first came to Korea I hated the eating culture. 
Not only do you want me to share my food, but I have cook it myself too!?!?  GTFO.
I'm still not 100% on board with this, but i've come to accept, and even appreciate it from time to time.
So, here's my gripe---I dont know if this is just me or not, but...whenever I go out to eat with Koreans, they won't let me cook.
  Generally, I wouldn't mind...but if you're going to cook, then you should be a decent-to-good cook.
I don't want the youngest, the most korean, or the girl to cook if they suck at it. 
If we're eating beef, or some good jeju pork, or hell, really just anything--it shouldn't be charred.
I had some grilled beef the other day with a few Koreans and they would not let me cook despite my many hints and protests that i wanted to.
I held my tongue, but I wanted to tell them that I am not offering to cook out of politeness--I want to cook because you are just doing a shite job right now and I could do MUCH better.
It was killing me to watch this good beef turn black and crispy because they had to stop and  give a bro a quick thigh or shoulder rub.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: krissyboo75 on October 21, 2015, 11:44:46 am
Came into school to find my English room computer has a virus and wont be fixed until Tuesday. I do most of my preparing in the morning before my classes. I switch schools after lunch and don't have a lot of extra time. Weekend will be busy too. Fml...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jomi on October 21, 2015, 12:33:58 pm
Co-teacher is on honeymoon, not an issue for most of the week since I only have 4 classes with her but no one tells me what the plan is for those lessons until 2 minutes before the first lesson starts.
"The homeroom teacher will be in the classroom". I assume the homeroom teacher will be in the classroom doing nothing but, okay. The kids, presumably, won't act up with the homeroom teacher there.

Homeroom teacher stands outside of the classroom the full 40 minutes.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: cjszk on October 21, 2015, 12:57:55 pm
I feel the need to do a short rant after my blood has been boiling for awhile now.
During one of those listen and repeats from the textbook there was a black child and when the black child came into the scene two boys in the class immediately started mumbling "Oh Scary! Black! Scary! (chuckling among themselves)" This triggered me... I asked them if something was scary in the dialogue, they shut their mouths, dead silence in the classroom and one boy in the back rats them out and says "You said the black guy was scary didn't you (잖아~)."

This made me sooooo angry because the students obviously knew the wrong they were doing, they had an African American native teacher before, I asked them if that person was scary and they said "no." The moment I identified that they knew they were saying something wrong (and racist) when they had experienced for themselves an African American teacher, just made my blood boil so badly and I also felt so sad that these were my students who should've known better... not my students from my old school who had never seen a black person in their life... these students had a black teacher for a whole year... Just feel so upset...
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: oglop on October 21, 2015, 01:43:03 pm
There are a few games like this that can take a class period to get the kids familiar with game play.  Battleship is one of them.  If they get the concept, you can whip it out for future lessons and modify activities for it so easily.  It gets them speaking and they really like the competition/secrecy. 

But explaining how to mark your own guesses to map your partner's waters and getting them to understand how to mark their partner's guesses so they can properly respond can be a nightmare the first time around.  One of those games that so easy to demonstrate, yet way more complicated than it should be to articulate.  Animating a PPT is best so all can see, but tedious in and of itself.

It was difficult to teach adults how to do this. I tried to do it using the expressions that we were using in class, and that just went too far over their heads. The next class I just brought the simple, normal battleship game and had them play. Finally they figured it out. I've used it a couple times since then. Before they figured it out though, that was one of my more frustrating experiences.

Korea just lacks problem solving capabilities in general... and it obviously all stems from their early education; as there is absolutely no critical thinking or problem solving required.

The fact that even adults, with very good visual aids, prompts etc... regardless of language, cant understand how to play simple games is mind blowing to me.

Korean's CAN"T think for themselves. They aren't taught to, and society doesn't allow for it.

It's frustrating.

I am super confident, that I could take any age group of westerners, and they would understand the concept of yunnori (Which is more complicated that battleship) speak to them in Korean, but have the same amount of visual aid etc.. and they would get it in about 20 min or less.



2:


Spent all afternoon yesterday creating a scavenger hunt type game, with six different routes for six different groups... CT and I were suppose to do it together, obviously during her free time she did prep or plan anything... so when I didn't have class, I pretty much walked out, and planned everything, and created the materials....

Come in today... I think we should cancel because of micro dust...

 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

battleships is just generally a difficult thing to explain. i've done it with (mixed nationality) adults classes in australia and it's always a pain. even the upper-intermediate classes struggled!

also, all the kids at my school were legging it around all day outside. hmm.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: KirbyFan112 on October 21, 2015, 07:48:29 pm
The air is so disgusting atm, feel like im gonna cough up my lungs at any given moment. An asthmatic does not belong in this air

*dying*  :blank:
I asked my students how the weather was today and they said "foggy!" I said nope, thats smog.
I've been wearing a mask all day. The air index in my city is 155 (not healthy.) That's twice as worse as Taipei and Shanghai.
I'm surprised more Korean's aren't wearing masks.
 
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on October 21, 2015, 08:49:47 pm
Mods, why did I just receive a 25% warning for this?

The elf is the troll, not me.

You guys really are becoming a joke.

Careful what you wish for. We asked for you. Rule with a fair hand.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: coffeesmith on October 21, 2015, 09:20:50 pm
Mods, why did I just receive a 25% warning for this?

The elf is the troll, not me.

You guys really are becoming a joke.

Careful what you wish for. We asked for you. Rule with a fair hand.

you too huh? lol.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: orionchocopie on October 21, 2015, 09:44:42 pm
The air is so disgusting atm, feel like im gonna cough up my lungs at any given moment. An asthmatic does not belong in this air

*dying*  :blank:
I asked my students how the weather was today and they said "foggy!" I said nope, thats smog.
I've been wearing a mask all day. The air index in my city is 155 (not healthy.) That's twice as worse as Taipei and Shanghai.
I'm surprised more Korean's aren't wearing masks.
What kind of mask do you have?
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: KirbyFan112 on October 21, 2015, 10:17:06 pm
My friend gave me some from the hospital. Nothing special just a normal mask. It does help though.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: jamienottingham on October 22, 2015, 07:28:28 am
Mods, why did I just receive a 25% warning for this?

The elf is the troll, not me.

You guys really are becoming a joke.

Careful what you wish for. We asked for you. Rule with a fair hand.

Cough *sock* cough, I've reported several times to no avail
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: zola on October 22, 2015, 07:32:14 am
I also recieved a warning, but no post was cited. I think I know which one it was, but if you are going to warn people at least quote the post you are warning them for.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: taeyang on October 22, 2015, 07:45:17 am
you can PM any mod if you have a question about a warning. please don't discuss it here. any subsequent posts about moderation will be deleted, and the poster warned.

consider this a formal warning, towards this thread, too. ranting and venting are all fine and well, but they should still act within the site's terms and conditions. any insults, derailing, trolling, or flaming directed towards other users or mods will be dealt with accordingly.
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Imogen1991 on October 22, 2015, 07:58:15 am
The air is so disgusting atm, feel like im gonna cough up my lungs at any given moment. An asthmatic does not belong in this air

*dying*  :blank:
I asked my students how the weather was today and they said "foggy!" I said nope, thats smog.
I've been wearing a mask all day. The air index in my city is 155 (not healthy.) That's twice as worse as Taipei and Shanghai.
I'm surprised more Korean's aren't wearing masks.

Its horrible. Im wearing a mask too but I dont know how effective it is, ive heard mixed reviews about masks
Suprised the kids arent wearing them too! They all wore them for mers but not this  :undecided:

It made me feel better when my friend told me that when she lived in Beijing it reached 540
Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: Space on October 22, 2015, 08:23:14 am
I was just thinking about geography.

You know, I can think of a few regimes around the world where we're not allowed to talk about the regime.

Title: Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
Post by: taeyang on October 22, 2015, 08:29:49 am
locked.