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Title: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on March 09, 2022, 12:43:36 pm
I just read today's stats for new infections in Korea, 342,427. Wow, that is hectic. Are you guys okay? I really hope they can bring those numbers down. Do you think they are going to shut down face to face classes?  My thoughts and prayers are with you guys.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: waygo0k on March 09, 2022, 01:11:11 pm
The numbers won’t go down unfortunately, this is now a situation where the virus has to be allowed to “burn itself out”.

The massive positive here is the overwhelming majority of the population is vaccinated, and more and more are getting boosted. This will mitigate the effects of covid (short and long term) for most of those who would have been symptomatic. Yes, there will still be hospitalisations and deaths, not only a tiny fraction compared to what things would’ve been like without the vaccines.

Even here in eastern China, the city and provincial governments aren’t freaking out like they used to. A cluster of cases now means the building/complex will be quarantined, maybe even the street depending on the number of cases, as opposed to city-wide lockdowns of last year. More and more people are being asked to quarantine at home if found to be positive and asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic, though some still get sent to quarantine centres.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Lazio on March 09, 2022, 01:16:48 pm
I just read today's stats for new infections in Korea, 342,427. Wow, that is hectic. Are you guys okay? I really hope they can bring those numbers down. Do you think they are going to shut down face to face classes?  My thoughts and prayers are with you guys.

We are okay. Nothing is being shut down. It's the opposite. Literally no one gives a crap anymore. Not the government and not the people.

Is your wife okay in the Philippines? I saw that covid claimed 57.000 lives so far there. That is a very high death rate.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on March 09, 2022, 01:25:58 pm
We are okay. Nothing is being shut down. It's the opposite. Literally no one gives a crap anymore. Not the government and not the people.

Is your wife okay in the Philippines? I saw that covid claimed 57.000 lives so far there. That is a very high death rate.

Thanks for the query about my wife. She is doing great thanks, had her booster already and things have calmed down nicely there. I think today the new rate of infection was around 400. Life is pretty much back to normal and the borders are open for fully vaccinated tourists. Hoping I can go home in July to see her for the first time in 2 and a half years.  The death rate is around 507 per million which is not too bad considering the level of medical care you can get there.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 09, 2022, 07:58:01 pm
"Omicron, with its extraordinary, unprecedented degree of efficiency of transmissibility, will ultimately find just about everybody," -Dr. Anthony Fauci
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Kyndo on March 10, 2022, 02:06:15 pm
Which isn't a bad thing, considering that it's hospitalization and fatality rates are relatively low.
It's almost the exact virus that you would want to spread around in a vaccinated population to effectively prevent more serious strains from taking hold.

I sincerely hope that this is covid19's final form!
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: VanIslander on March 11, 2022, 07:06:51 pm
I thought i had the flu on Tuesday (chills, achy wrists, fingers, toes, ankles, left knee, tiredness, yellow phlegm) and a cold yesterday (cough, scratchy throat). When will the suffering stop?

After another new symptom (seriously thick red veins in eyes today( I took a rapid antigen test today and it was positive. Then got a PCR test, the results coming Saturday. If positive, i am told i have to isolate for 7 days from the positive result (not onset of symptoms). That means stay in the bunker.

It's odd that for two years i dreaded getting breathing problems (might need ventilator to survive) and a fever, thinking those things would happen most prominently. Perhaps that was based on previous variants. Odds are I might have Omicron. Will find out tomorrow.

Strawberries, bell peppers, pistachios, cashews, Samdasoo water and bed in the meantime. (Hope my cats don't get infected.)

Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on March 11, 2022, 07:47:02 pm
I thought i had the flu on Tuesday (chills, achy wrists, fingers, toes, ankles, left knee, tiredness, yellow phlegm) and a cold yesterday (cough, scratchy throat). When will the suffering stop?

After another new symptom (seriously thick red veins in eyes today( I took a rapid antigen test today and it was positive. Then got a PCR test, the results coming Saturday. If positive, i am told i have to isolate for 7 days from the positive result (not onset of symptoms). That means stay in the bunker.

It's odd that for two years i dreaded getting breathing problems (might need ventilator to survive) and a fever, thinking those things would happen most prominently. Perhaps that was based on previous variants. Odds are I might have Omicron. Will find out tomorrow.

Strawberries, bell peppers, pistachios, cashews, Samdasoo water and bed in the meantime. (Hope my cats don't get infected.)



Wishing you well and hoping you don't have it. My wife has had her booster shot already and the whole neighborhood went down with Omnicron and they all felt yuck for about a week, fortunately they all got over it after that, so hoping you will too if indeed you have it.  The cough lasted a couple of weeks for the youngest but longer for the older folks. Keep us updated and take it easy.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Adel on March 11, 2022, 08:51:08 pm
I thought i had the flu on Tuesday (chills, achy wrists, fingers, toes, ankles, left knee, tiredness, yellow phlegm) and a cold yesterday (cough, scratchy throat). When will the suffering stop?

After another new symptom (seriously thick red veins in eyes today( I took a rapid antigen test today and it was positive. Then got a PCR test, the results coming Saturday. If positive, i am told i have to isolate for 7 days from the positive result (not onset of symptoms). That means stay in the bunker.

It's odd that for two years i dreaded getting breathing problems (might need ventilator to survive) and a fever, thinking those things would happen most prominently. Perhaps that was based on previous variants. Odds are I might have Omicron. Will find out tomorrow.

Strawberries, bell peppers, pistachios, cashews, Samdasoo water and bed in the meantime. (Hope my cats don't get infected.)



Wishing you well. Hang in there mate!
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 12, 2022, 10:06:33 am
South Korea‘s daily coronavirus cases hit a record high of 383,665, raising the total caseload to 6,206,277.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: waygo0k on March 12, 2022, 10:33:15 am
That’s around 1 in 8 people in Korea.

Omicron ain’t here to play! Hospitalisations and deaths seem to be staying low though?
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: SPQR on March 12, 2022, 10:45:29 am
If we look at other countries graphs, then this peak should be the end of it. Unless
it mutates again into a much more transmissible and deadly variant.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: VanIslander on March 12, 2022, 05:00:30 pm
Wishing you well and hoping you don't have it... the whole neighborhood went down with Omnicron and they all felt yuck for about a week, fortunately they all got over it after that, so hoping you will too if indeed you have it.  The cough lasted a couple of weeks for the youngest but longer for the older folks. Keep us updated and take it easy.
Thank you! The words of encouragement are like medicine to us sick.

BUT I OFFICIALY HAVE COVID19 and have to stay inside my apartment until next Thursday at midnight (unless i make a direct trip to a hospital).

Wishing you well. Hang in there mate!
:) Cheers Adel!

The scariest symptom was last night/this morning's aching kidneys (COVID can ravage the lungs, heart and/or kidneys).

I was officially PCR tested positive COViD19. Then i hit the internet and found inflammation, endothelial dysfunction and the kicker for my pain: kidney disease, is EASED/Lessened with red wine consumption compared to abstainers. I then took a huge bowl of strawberries (phytonutrients galore like wine) and two glasses of Cabernet Sauvignon, and all my finger pains, toe pains, knee pain, kidney pains, disappeared! .... Today is a good day. I think I may beat this. Tonight i will have soon about a dozen hot green peppers (vitc), a raw chopped onion (quertin, superfood), veggie greens, a can of tuna (need vitd, can't go outside). No more red wine (the j-curve seems relevant here too, and of course no soju, beer, etc). As Hypocrates said: let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: waygo0k on March 12, 2022, 05:19:23 pm
All the best Vani! Wishing you a speedy recovery!
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Mr C on March 12, 2022, 06:32:15 pm
Best wishes to get well soon!
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on March 13, 2022, 06:41:26 am
Hi Van, sorry to hear you got the bug. From what I read about you, you lead a healthy lifestyle and I am sure you will beat this with no long term side effects. Take care, take it easy and keep us in the loop.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: VanIslander on March 13, 2022, 06:51:11 am
Thanks!

My kidneys still hurt (on and off) and I had two seconds of heart pain (a sharp moment, nothing before or since).

I know the importance of vitamin d so am considering my canned tuna or sneaking up to the roof midday for sunshine.

I haven't slept more than 5 hours a night since Tuesday. That worries me.

I.AM.DOG.TIRED.

But my breathing is totally normal and that is huge for my spirits! :)
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Kyndo on March 13, 2022, 08:11:26 am
Glad to hear that you're being proactive about looking up solutions to symptoms.
I hope that you kick the 'rona asap, and that all the isolation doesn't drive you crazy(ier)   :wink:
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Lazio on March 13, 2022, 08:39:17 am
Hang in there!

Probably now you're glad that you took the jabs after all. Although you'll never know how it would've played out without them.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on March 15, 2022, 05:29:32 am
Hi Van, how are you feeling now?
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 15, 2022, 01:13:15 pm
That’s around 1 in 8 people in Korea.

Omicron ain’t here to play!

Now 1 in 7.
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South Korea today added 362,338 new COVID-19 infections, putting the total caseload at 7,228,550.
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Ten million coming soon?
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Bakeacake on March 15, 2022, 01:35:09 pm
Now 1 in 7.
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South Korea today added 362,338 new COVID-19 infections, putting the total caseload at 7,228,550.
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Ten million coming soon?

2 weeks ago I made bets that this Thursday the 17th would be the peak.  my guess was 426, 285 cases..  couldnt possibly go higher...right?
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: VanIslander on March 15, 2022, 01:54:30 pm
Hi Van, how are you feeling now?
Good thanks.

The worst is over. Expected to self isolate until Thursday at midnight.

Agggh... that is now the challenge (after dead tiredness for days and other symptoms ... .... am CHOMPING AT THE BIT to go out!!!)
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on March 15, 2022, 02:53:08 pm
Good thanks.

The worst is over. Expected to self isolate until Thursday at midnight.

Agggh... that is now the challenge (after dead tiredness for days and other symptoms ... .... am CHOMPING AT THE BIT to go out!!!)

Good to hear that. Take it easy and Friday will come around soon enough.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Lazio on March 15, 2022, 09:35:33 pm
2 weeks ago I made bets that this Thursday the 17th would be the peak.  my guess was 426, 285 cases..  couldnt possibly go higher...right?

It could...
Tomorrow will be near 500.000 it seems.
That is almost 1% of the entire population in one day! Gotta be a world record.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: waygo0k on March 15, 2022, 10:05:25 pm
New deltacron sub-variant with omicron and delta characteristics is spreading in Europe and the US.

It is 1.4x more infectious than omicron (about as infectious as measles)…but so far seems to not cause symptoms anymore serious than omicron does.

Let’s hope this trend of less dangerous variants and sub variants continues.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: gogators! on March 16, 2022, 02:17:00 am
New deltacron sub-variant with omicron and delta characteristics is spreading in Europe and the US.

It is 1.4x more infectious than omicron (about as infectious as measles)…but so far seems to not cause symptoms anymore serious than omicron does.

Let’s hope this trend of less dangerous variants and sub variants continues.
"The BA.2 virus -- a subvariant of the Omicron coronavirus variant -- isn't just spreading faster than its distant cousin, it may also cause more severe disease and appears capable of thwarting some of the key weapons we have against Covid-19, new research suggests.

New lab experiments from Japan show that BA.2 may have features that make it as capable of causing serious illness as older variants of Covid-19, including Delta.
And like Omicron, it appears to largely escape the immunity created by vaccines. A booster shot restores protection, making illness after infection about 74% less likely."
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: waygo0k on March 16, 2022, 05:38:23 am
"The BA.2 virus -- a subvariant of the Omicron coronavirus variant -- isn't just spreading faster than its distant cousin, it may also cause more severe disease and appears capable of thwarting some of the key weapons we have against Covid-19, new research suggests.

New lab experiments from Japan show that BA.2 may have features that make it as capable of causing serious illness as older variants of Covid-19, including Delta.
And like Omicron, it appears to largely escape the immunity created by vaccines. A booster shot restores protection, making illness after infection about 74% less likely."

That’s likely old news from January or February. The consensus at the moment is that it has not caused severe illness in the patients infected with it in France…so far.

“ Former World Health Organisation (WHO) epidemiologist Professor Adrian Esterman told ABC news that the new variant is more transmissible, albeit not any more severe.”

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/top-professor-says-covid-cases-26466762
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Adel on March 16, 2022, 05:46:40 am
From what I've read he BA.2 virus subvariant is still quite severe among the unvaccinated and for naïve infections. This is what is playing in Hong Kong amongst the elderly.

Quote
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2278531/fear-over-new-bug-strain

Hong Kong has been hit by its worst Covid-19 wave to date, recording the world's highest coronavirus death rate.


Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: waygo0k on March 16, 2022, 06:28:19 am
Yeah, HK screwed up massively by not implementing vaccine mandates. Now they have to deal with wards overflowing with occupied body bags next to patients on ventilators. This is what McFreedumb looks like in the era of covid (https://hongkongfp.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/image-1.jpeg) (NSFW!!!)...this is what those idiotic truckers in Canada and the US wanted.

Of course that is not their (HK government) only screw up, they also made the dumb decision to send every case (symptomatic or not) to hospitals, quickly overwhelming their already stretched healthcare system.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 16, 2022, 09:54:09 am
Hong Kong’s Covid-19 deaths per capita are the highest in the world.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna20033

Only about 35 percent of residents 80 and older have received two vaccine doses, compared with more than 80 percent of those 12 and above.
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That’s the problem. Elderly people need vaccines the most. But they are getting them the least.

Why is that? Belief in conspiracies because of brain deterioration accompanying old age and/or fear of side effects? Actually, the weaker one’s immune system, the less side effects one will feel. It is young strong people who die from the vaccine, and even for them it is extremely rare. So is dying from Covid. Under 80 and you’ll generally be ok, vaccinated or not. Over 80 - huge risk to be unvaccinated.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 16, 2022, 10:01:02 am
400,741 new daily COVID-19 infections in South Korea today.

Total caseload is 7,629,275.

Fatality rate is 0.14 percent. (That’s 1 in 715.)
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Mr C on March 16, 2022, 10:10:36 am
400,741 new daily COVID-19 infections in South Korea today.

Total caseload is 7,629,275.

Fatality rate is 0.14 percent. (That’s 1 in 715.)

When you put it that way, it doesn't sound so bad, but statistically, that's a lot of deaths--over 500 per day ...
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 16, 2022, 10:17:38 am
Last I read, less than two thirds of the South Korean population is boosted. If we could get those numbers up, there’d be less deaths.

Also, healthier living would be a big help, too.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Lazio on March 16, 2022, 11:07:56 am
The caseload at 9.00 pm last night was 441,423, and the day finished with nearly 458,000 new infections. I was surprised at the lower total given out this morning. I'm not sure what is correct.

Yeah, something is off.
I saw those numbers too so that's why I wrote nearly 500k yesterday evening. I was also surprised to see the 400k figure this morning.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Renma on March 17, 2022, 11:07:41 am
2 weeks ago I made bets that this Thursday the 17th would be the peak.  my guess was 426, 285 cases..  couldnt possibly go higher...right?

Well you definitely understimated it.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Lazio on March 17, 2022, 11:15:08 am
There was some hiccup I guess and some cases from the day before were added to yesterday's numbers. That's why we have this insane figure today. But nevertheless, it means over 1 million cases in 2 days. That's 2% of the entire population.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Chinguetti on March 17, 2022, 11:39:06 am
A lot of the students in all of my schools have caught it, actually. Not the majority, but a lot. A couple of classrooms are missing as many as a third of its students because they're all in quarantine atm.

It makes me think that the infection rate is much higher, but that a lot of infections are either going undetected or unreported.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 17, 2022, 11:40:50 am
621,328 new COVID-19 infections, raising the total to 8,250,592.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 17, 2022, 11:43:55 am
62.8 percent of Koreans are boosted.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: hangook77 on March 17, 2022, 11:47:44 am
Last I read, less than two thirds of the South Korean population is boosted. If we could get those numbers up, there’d be less deaths.

Also, healthier living would be a big help, too.

My British friend got his booster (3rd shot).  He felt like he was going to have a heart attack for a few days.  Fast beating heart, sweating, etc.  Of course he could just be "lying" to me and spreading "misinformation" because it doesn't fit the narrative. 

Needless to say he won't be getting a 4th and 5th shot. 
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Kyndo on March 17, 2022, 11:55:38 am
Which narrative does this not follow?
It's pretty well established that the covid19 vaccine and boosters -- just like every other vaccination -- can cause unpleasant side effects.

And it's pretty harsh to so readily accuse him of lying etc.  One would think that you'd give him the benefit of the doubt, him being your friend and all.  :sad:
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: hangook77 on March 17, 2022, 12:10:36 pm
Which narrative does this not follow?
It's pretty well established that the covid19 vaccine and boosters -- just like every other vaccination -- can cause unpleasant side effects.

And it's pretty harsh to so readily accuse him of lying etc.  One would think that you'd give him the benefit of the doubt, him being your friend and all.  :sad:

It ain't me doing that. 
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Kyndo on March 17, 2022, 01:09:30 pm
It ain't me doing that. 
I understood what you meant. I was just having a bit of fun at your expense.  :smiley:
I shouldn't do that. I apologize.

But it still begs the question: who is this hypothetical person accusing a person experiencing covid vax side effects of lying?
 I doubt that anybody on waygook has stated that the covid19 vaccine has no negative side effects.
 It's very common knowledge that the cov19 vaccine (**any** vaccine, in fact) can cause harm to an individual.

 It's an unfortunate fact of life that some things can be statistically good, but anecdotally terrible:
Seatbelts have injured/killed people. :sad:
Insulin injections have injured/killedpeople. :sad:
Penicillin has injured/killed people. :sad:
English teachers in Korea have injured/killed people. :sad:

Nevertheless, all of the above things have had massively beneficial impacts on society.

Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 19, 2022, 09:50:02 am
Over nine million South Koreans have tested positive for coronavirus. Ten million coming soon.  :shocked:  That number's an undercount:
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Workers paid on a daily or hourly basis like freelancers and delivery drivers increasingly shun COVID-19 tests for fear of losing pay if they are forced to self-isolate.

https://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2022/03/17/2022031701156.html

Jobseekers are also shunning tests. A 26-year-old from Gyeonggi Province said, "I took cold medicine and endured the symptoms because I wouldn't be able to go to job interviews if I self-isolated."
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Chester Jim on March 21, 2022, 11:11:45 am
Koreans only had like 11k Covid deaths.

Wow they are amazing. 

Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Kyndo on March 21, 2022, 11:27:35 am
The West could've had similar rates the same had they taken it a bit more seriously and/or not immediately politicized it.
Ah well. There's always next time.  :undecided:
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Chester Jim on March 21, 2022, 11:29:28 am
15 days to stop the spread becoming two years is not taking it seriously?
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Kyndo on March 21, 2022, 11:35:43 am
Yes.
Treat it seriously from the beginning, and the problems over the following 2 years would have been far more limited.
Imagine if there had been no mask-mandate pushback and if there had been a concerted effort to adhere to social distancing rules: the pressure on medical facilities would have been greatly reduced resulting in that thousands, or even tens of thousands of lives would potentially have been spared.
   Anti-science rhetoric spread for political gain is a plague worse than, well, some plagues.  :sad:

   Hopefully they'll have learned this before some hyper-transmissible form of weaponized uber-rabies pops out of a bio-lab somewhere (https://static1.moviewebimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/article/1ZzWRFxcnpXNv4f7siHmVwDn2fSgph.jpg).
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Chinguetti on March 21, 2022, 11:36:55 am
I'm personally looking forward to them eventually dropping the mask mandates. Hoping that living-with-covid + eventual herd immunity allows that to happen this year.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Chinguetti on March 21, 2022, 11:53:42 am
Oh no, what have I done.  :sad:
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Chester Jim on March 21, 2022, 02:29:23 pm
Yes.
Treat it seriously from the beginning, and the problems over the following 2 years would have been far more limited.
Imagine if there had been no mask-mandate pushback and if there had been a concerted effort to adhere to social distancing rules: the pressure on medical facilities would have been greatly reduced resulting in that thousands, or even tens of thousands of lives would potentially have been spared.
   Anti-science rhetoric spread for political gain is a plague worse than, well, some plagues.  :sad:

   Hopefully they'll have learned this before some hyper-transmissible form of weaponized uber-rabies pops out of a bio-lab somewhere (https://static1.moviewebimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/article/1ZzWRFxcnpXNv4f7siHmVwDn2fSgph.jpg).
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Yes.
Treat it seriously from the beginning, and the problems over the following 2 years would have been far more limited.
Imagine if there had been no mask-mandate pushback and if there had been a concerted effort to adhere to social distancing rules: the pressure on medical facilities would have been greatly reduced resulting in that thousands, or even tens of thousands of lives would potentially have been spared.
   Anti-science rhetoric spread for political gain is a plague worse than, well, some plagues.  :sad:

   Hopefully they'll have learned this before some hyper-transmissible form of weaponized uber-rabies pops out of a bio-lab somewhere (https://static1.moviewebimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/article/1ZzWRFxcnpXNv4f7siHmVwDn2fSgph.jpg).

You don’t have any proof that masks work so I don’t know why you are saying it.

Did you seriously delete my last post saying that you don’t have scientific proof that masks  work!!!!
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Kyndo on March 21, 2022, 02:44:04 pm
Yes. Let's keep the trolling to a minimum, please.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: WhenInRome... on March 21, 2022, 02:59:05 pm
Don't tell me what to do.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Kyndo on March 21, 2022, 03:29:42 pm
Don't tell me what to do.
Don't tell me what not to do.  >:(
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: gogators! on March 22, 2022, 03:52:15 am
It’s not trolling.
You are saying that the US should have worn masks then they would have less cases than SK.
But masks were a mistake because there is no proof that they work. 
It’s intuitive simple physics .  The size of the virus compared to the masks holes is very very small.  They are not made to stop a virus.

We should never never wear them again.   They would at least have to prove that they work.
LOL.
While masks work, they would almost certainly work better if they were as closed as your mind.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Kyndo on March 22, 2022, 08:12:13 am
It’s not trolling.
You are saying that the US should have worn masks then they would have less cases than SK.
But masks were a mistake because there is no proof that they work. 
It’s intuitive simple physics .  The size of the virus compared to the masks holes is very very small.  They are not made to stop a virus.

We should never never wear them again.   They would at least have to prove that they work.

I apologize for assuming that you were trolling. I honestly thought the proven efficacy of masks was common knowledge.


- Surgical masks aren't made to stop individual virus particles. Masks are made to stop one of the most common viral vectors: droplets of fluid expelled when breathing, coughing, and sneezing. Stop the vector, stop the virus.

 - If all Americans had worn masks in public, the transmission of the Corona virus would certainly have been slowed: several studies have shown that the consistent wearing of surgical masks has been shown to greatly reduce chances of infection.

 - Insofar as I'm aware, nobody here has made statements as to whether or not wearing masks alone would have reduced American transmission rates below those in Korea. Personally, I suspect that it wouldn't have been the case due to various other factors, but who knows?



Here are some links (with relevant quote) to respected health organizations that outline the very significant role that masks play in reducing the spread of contagion:

CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm
"consistently wearing a face mask or respirator in indoor public settings reduces the risk of acquiring SARS-CoV-2 infection [by 57%]"

WHO
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-IPC_Masks-Health_Workers-Omicron_variant-2021.1
"Regardless of the type of mask, appropriate mask use is critical to ensuring effectiveness and reducing the risk of
transmission. Masks should be viewed as one key component of a comprehensive package of infection prevention
and control (IPC) measures to be applied during health care when COVID-19 is suspected or confirmed."


Mayo Clinic
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449
"Face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as getting vaccinated, frequent hand-washing and physical distancing, can help slow the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19."
(this source  also notes which type of masks offer what levels of protection)

National Library of Medicine (NCBI)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7883189/
"Wearing mask in public is essential as its effectiveness has already been well established by the current studies. For exhalation isolation, both surgical and N95 masks are shown to be effective in reducing the spread of respiratory diseases."

Forbes (not a medical institution, but a respected, politically neutral paper reporting on research articles from several medical journals)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndrake/2022/02/04/the-real-world-effectiveness-of-face-masks-against-covid-19/?sh=ecf40811d085
"Statistical analysis showed that the odds of infection were about half for people who reported wearing a mask in public compared with people who didn’t."
"the surprising thing is how effective they [N95 masks] were, reducing the relative odds [of infection] by 83%."


Hopefully that's sufficient, but if you need further clarification, there are oodles of other independent and respected sources that can confirm this information.  :smiley:

Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 22, 2022, 08:27:38 am
Scenes from the US:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RGzymAtTRK4

Scenes from the UK:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lCZ585OaZJw

Not a mask in sight.

Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: pkjh on March 22, 2022, 11:09:50 am
Perhaps surgeons should stop wearing masks when operating on people, since they are so ineffective.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 23, 2022, 08:52:13 am
South Korea reported 490,881 new COVID-19 infections as of midnight, raising the total caseload to 10,427,247.

http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20220323000154

The total caseload breached the grim milestone of the 10 million mark Tuesday, meaning 1 out of 5 South Koreans has been infected with COVID-19.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Savant on March 23, 2022, 08:56:05 am
Yeah, I’m one of those new statistics. My wife had it last week so was just expecting to test positive eventually.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: grimlock2 on March 23, 2022, 09:47:37 am
Yeah, I’m one of those new statistics. My wife had it last week so was just expecting to test positive eventually.

It might not work that way. My kid had it last week, just a mild fever on one day, but my wife who looked after him for a week of isolation tested negative
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: VanIslander on March 23, 2022, 10:02:15 am
A staggering change in culture:

TWICE this week i have passed unmasked korean men openly COUGHING - no masks or even attempt to cover.

The last time i saw such FLAGANT action was 2019.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Savant on March 23, 2022, 12:32:47 pm
Best of luck Savant. Lot's of chocolate, lemonade, and movies for you.

Thanks! On it with the first two suggestions. The third I will do if I have the energy for it.

Symptoms seem to come and go day-to-day. Felt crap on Monday, better yesterday, but worse today.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: VanIslander on March 24, 2022, 03:41:36 pm
Take care! I was sick for six days (Day 2 and 5 were the worst).

Today I did the gov't paperwork to get the subsidy to cover missed time from work due to COVID19 (will get 200,000 won for 4 missed days - not great but better than nothing).
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: waygo0k on March 24, 2022, 09:22:27 pm
All the best Savant! Wishing you a speedy recovery!

Glad to hear you’re doing better Van!
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Savant on March 24, 2022, 09:49:55 pm
Take care! I was sick for six days (Day 2 and 5 were the worst).

Today I did the gov't paperwork to get the subsidy to cover missed time from work due to COVID19 (will get 200,000 won for 4 missed days - not great but better than nothing).

Yeah, I've found that symptoms fluctuate day to day. Felt really bad on the first day that symptoms appeared, then felt better the next day, then day after feeling bad again. I'm on Day 4 now and apart from a slight sore throat, I feel ok but always feel terrible in the mornings. We'll see what Day 5 brings.

With a cold/flu, I can normally feel the symptoms starting but with Covid, it's just BOOM!, here it is, without warning.

All the best Savant! Wishing you a speedy recovery!

Glad to hear you’re doing better Van!

Thanks! Hopefully, on the mend.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Chinguetti on March 25, 2022, 09:26:42 am
I'm just counting down the days before I finally catch it. Half of my friends have caught it by now.

Anyone else read about this:

https://waupost.com/south-korean-doctor-claims-the-reason-why-you-still-dont-have-covid-is-probably-because-you-have-no-friends/

"metaphor"

I'll remember that the next time I stick my foot in my mouth, lol.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 25, 2022, 10:13:00 am
“An estimated 57 percent of the world population has been infected with COVID at least once, according to the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation Model.”
https://www.newsweek.com/covid-evaluation-model-estimates-57-percent-world-population-infected-least-once-1672440?amp=1
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57% back in January so how high now in March? Two thirds of the world’s population? Hard to know since many are unaware they’ve had it. Asymptomatic.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: 745sticky on March 25, 2022, 11:09:58 am
I'm just counting down the days before I finally catch it. Half of my friends have caught it by now.

Anyone else read about this:

https://waupost.com/south-korean-doctor-claims-the-reason-why-you-still-dont-have-covid-is-probably-because-you-have-no-friends/

"metaphor"

I'll remember that the next time I stick my foot in my mouth, lol.

ah yes, a classic case of schrodinger's asshole... waiting to read the room before he decides if he was joking or not  :laugh:
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: waygo0k on March 26, 2022, 09:22:50 am
I'm just counting down the days before I finally catch it. Half of my friends have caught it by now.

Anyone else read about this:

https://waupost.com/south-korean-doctor-claims-the-reason-why-you-still-dont-have-covid-is-probably-because-you-have-no-friends/

"metaphor"

I'll remember that the next time I stick my foot in my mouth, lol.


There was a joke making the rounds here in china a few months back. A group of friends wanted to have a get together, but they all had to do covid tests to make sure they could. Out of the six people who tested, 5 turned out to be positive but asymptomatic…so the 5 people apologised to the sixth who tested negative and had the get together without him/her.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 27, 2022, 11:05:57 am
China doesn't have a Covid exit plan. Two years in, people are fed up and angry
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/4d0b587c8fe53f54329ecd7063bec77c37020c46/0_139_3500_2101/master/3500.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=605ed8f05794029ffc1ad0492b52e12e)
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/25/china/china-covid-frustration-exit-plan-intl-hnk-mic/index.html
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64,375 fans welcomed at South Korean men's World Cup qualifier amid soaring Covid-19 cases
(https://img.koreatimes.co.kr/upload/newsV2/images/202203/c875d285425d4991aa62dcf707aed994.jpg)
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/25/football/south-korea-football-covid-cases-spt-intl/index.html
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: gogators! on March 27, 2022, 08:48:21 pm
China doesn't have a Covid exit plan. Two years in, people are fed up and angry
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/4d0b587c8fe53f54329ecd7063bec77c37020c46/0_139_3500_2101/master/3500.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=605ed8f05794029ffc1ad0492b52e12e)
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/25/china/china-covid-frustration-exit-plan-intl-hnk-mic/index.html
___________________ ___________________ ___________________ ___________________ ___________________ ________________

64,375 fans welcomed at South Korean men's World Cup qualifier amid soaring Covid-19 cases
(https://img.koreatimes.co.kr/upload/newsV2/images/202203/c875d285425d4991aa62dcf707aed994.jpg)
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/25/football/south-korea-football-covid-cases-spt-intl/index.html
There's very little they can do about it--just stay inside and watch John Wick movies. Nix that--Keanu Reeves is now persona non grata.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: waygo0k on March 28, 2022, 03:52:43 am
China doesn’t have an exit plan because somehow it allowed 17 million elderly to remain unvaccinated all this time. The remaining 5%-8%+ of people that are still unvaccinated amounts to 70-100 million+ people!!

They dropped the ball massively on this one. Shanghai is doing the unthinkable (locking down starting today)…but quite frankly it’s too late for any of that. Omicron is far too contagious and will have to be allowed to burn itself out.

Good thing so far is a tiny confirmed cases so far have been a) symptomatic b) serious…with only about 2 deaths out 40k+. Yes I know, it’s china and the numbers may be doctored.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 28, 2022, 04:21:57 am
The United States looks back to normal, at least in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWFybM2UfXg

All 50 states removed their mask mandates.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 28, 2022, 04:54:06 am
Shanghai is doing the unthinkable (locking down starting today)…but quite frankly it’s too late for any of that. Omicron is far too contagious and will have to be allowed to burn itself out.

“We don’t have to continue to upend human life in our quest to eliminate covid, which can’t happen anyway,” says George Mason University economist Don Boudreaux.

“Why not?” I ask. “We eliminated smallpox.”

“Smallpox resides only in human beings,” explains Boudreaux. Covid-19 can live in animals — bats, deer, dogs, cats. “We have never eliminated a disease that uses both humans and animals as reservoirs.”

Still, China acted as if eliminating covid-19 were possible.

They’ve kept deaths much lower (if you believe their numbers) than other countries by imposing nasty repressive measures like quarantines at gunpoint and even locking people in their homes.

“It’s just awful. It’s tyrannical. It’s what you expect of a Communist tyrannical government,” says Boudreaux.


https://triblive.com/opinion/john-stossel-its-time-to-let-life-resume/

“It’s not admitting defeat; it’s admitting reality,” says Boudreaux. “We learn to live with covid in the same way that we learn to live with many other pathogens. … The bacteria that caused the Black Death is still circulating in the human population. A handful of people every year still die of it.”

In the Wall Street Journal, he wrote, “Eradication of covid is a dangerous and expensive fantasy.”

“We live with countless hazards, each of which we could but sensibly choose not to eradicate. Automobile fatalities could be eradicated by outlawing motor vehicles. Drowning could be eradicated by outlawing swimming and bathing. Electrocution could be eradicated by outlawing electricity. We live with these risks not because we’re indifferent to suffering but because we understand that the costs of zero-drowning or zero-electrocution would be far too great. The same is true of zero-covid.”

That’s why, now that we have largely effective vaccines, he says it’s time to end pointless lockdowns and do what Denmark is doing:

“Live life normally again! Travel, go to parties, weddings, sporting events. Live life and be joyous! Hopefully, humanity will come to its senses soon.”
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: gogators! on March 29, 2022, 03:14:46 am
“We don’t have to continue to upend human life in our quest to eliminate covid, which can’t happen anyway,” says George Mason University economist Don Boudreaux.

“Why not?” I ask. “We eliminated smallpox.”

“Smallpox resides only in human beings,” explains Boudreaux. Covid-19 can live in animals — bats, deer, dogs, cats. “We have never eliminated a disease that uses both humans and animals as reservoirs.”

Still, China acted as if eliminating covid-19 were possible.

They’ve kept deaths much lower (if you believe their numbers) than other countries by imposing nasty repressive measures like quarantines at gunpoint and even locking people in their homes.

“It’s just awful. It’s tyrannical. It’s what you expect of a Communist tyrannical government,” says Boudreaux.


https://triblive.com/opinion/john-stossel-its-time-to-let-life-resume/

“It’s not admitting defeat; it’s admitting reality,” says Boudreaux. “We learn to live with covid in the same way that we learn to live with many other pathogens. … The bacteria that caused the Black Death is still circulating in the human population. A handful of people every year still die of it.”

In the Wall Street Journal, he wrote, “Eradication of covid is a dangerous and expensive fantasy.”

“We live with countless hazards, each of which we could but sensibly choose not to eradicate. Automobile fatalities could be eradicated by outlawing motor vehicles. Drowning could be eradicated by outlawing swimming and bathing. Electrocution could be eradicated by outlawing electricity. We live with these risks not because we’re indifferent to suffering but because we understand that the costs of zero-drowning or zero-electrocution would be far too great. The same is true of zero-covid.”

That’s why, now that we have largely effective vaccines, he says it’s time to end pointless lockdowns and do what Denmark is doing:

“Live life normally again! Travel, go to parties, weddings, sporting events. Live life and be joyous! Hopefully, humanity will come to its senses soon.”

I prefer to put my health in the hands of medical professionals rather than economists and the business-oriented WSJ.

It's this "live life and be joyous" attitude that is at least partially killing millions of American every year because in America living has come to mean consuming.

When the next pandemic comes, far too many are likely going to believe that public health measures did nothing to save lives and we'll see the same senseless loss of life.

More than 1,000 Americans died of Covid-19 yesterday. That may unfortunately be back to normal in the US. Strange how little people value their lives.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 29, 2022, 06:42:23 am
More than 1,000 Americans died of Covid-19 yesterday.

Not true. 163 Americans died of Covid-19 yesterday. USA’s population is 334 million, so one in two million. Most people in the US caught Covid. Most people in the world caught Covid. No need to be afraid forever. That’s no way to live life. Especially because Covid is never going away. Eat healthy and exercise to boost your immune system. Get vaccinated. Then forget about it. Social distancing forever isn’t the solution. It’s psychologically unhealthy.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Kyndo on March 29, 2022, 07:29:42 am
Not true. 163 Americans died of Covid-19 yesterday.
You're right. On March 27th, less than 100 people died of covid.
However, the day before that it was closer to 200, and the day before that it was about 700, and the day before *that* was 1,300 etc.
Considering how fatality numbers fluctuate pretty wildly from day to day, both sides of the argument can cherry pick days to suit their arguments. Better would be to use the 7 day running average, which is currently at around 800 deaths per day.

This is a nice, visual data source for finding up-to-date, US-related stats:
https://www.google.com/search?q=march+27+covid+deaths+usa&oq=march+27+covid+deaths+usa&aqs=chrome..69i57.6431j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 29, 2022, 07:55:43 am
Yesterday 50 covid deaths. The day before yesterday 163 covid deaths. I pulled a boner. ㅠ ㅠ
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on March 29, 2022, 08:10:53 am
Yesterday 50 covid deaths. The day before yesterday 163 covid deaths. I pulled a boner. ㅠ ㅠ

Today 113, so not sure where those over 1000 died comes from.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Kyndo on March 29, 2022, 08:18:19 am
Probably from an article using data from before March 24th.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: hangook77 on March 29, 2022, 11:40:50 am
Good news is that this omicron infecting everyone ought to finally create some herd immunity making this virus go away once and for all.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Kyndo on March 29, 2022, 11:46:43 am
Yep. Keeping fingers crossed that this'll be the last covid season!

(covid23 is scheduled for end November, I hear.)
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: gogators! on March 30, 2022, 12:09:35 am
Not true. 163 Americans died of Covid-19 yesterday. USA’s population is 334 million, so one in two million. Most people in the US caught Covid. Most people in the world caught Covid. No need to be afraid forever. That’s no way to live life. Especially because Covid is never going away. Eat healthy and exercise to boost your immune system. Get vaccinated. Then forget about it. Social distancing forever isn’t the solution. It’s psychologically unhealthy.
How about a link? 907 died on March 28.  https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 30, 2022, 01:10:39 am
907 died on March 28.

907 is less than more than 1,000.

More than 1,000 Americans died of Covid-19 yesterday.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: hangook77 on March 31, 2022, 10:58:06 am
China doesn’t have an exit plan because somehow it allowed 17 million elderly to remain unvaccinated all this time. The remaining 5%-8%+ of people that are still unvaccinated amounts to 70-100 million+ people!!

They dropped the ball massively on this one. Shanghai is doing the unthinkable (locking down starting today)…but quite frankly it’s too late for any of that. Omicron is far too contagious and will have to be allowed to burn itself out.

Good thing so far is a tiny confirmed cases so far have been a) symptomatic b) serious…with only about 2 deaths out 40k+. Yes I know, it’s china and the numbers may be doctored.

Vaccinated and unvaccinated alike are getting omicron.  So, it doesn't matter.  Either way.  Omicron is more contagious.  I didn't even know anyone who had Alpha or Delta but have known so many who caught omicron.  Even I got it earlier this month.  But it was pretty mild.  Sadly, folks with other health problems have had a harder time with covid.  Good news, is everyone should have good immunity to this wave once it is done. Covid should finally be gone for good then. 
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on March 31, 2022, 12:17:37 pm
Yes I know, it’s china and the numbers may be are doctored.

There fixed it for you.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Mr C on March 31, 2022, 01:26:54 pm
My second class of the day yesterday, 6 out of 8 students missing. A total of 15 students now out at the moment. I've officially called game day, today. I wonder how many are missing today? It's all a guessing game. Although, most parents are phoning if one of my students does have covid.

Last week, we has lots of kids absent--as many as 4 or 5 in a class ~20.   Today in my 4 sections of 6th grade, only one student in total was absent.

Doubt that means anything much though, it's a little early to start counting chickens (but not students).
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Savant on March 31, 2022, 02:01:21 pm
Vaccinated and unvaccinated alike are getting omicron.  So, it doesn't matter.  Either way.  Omicron is more contagious.  I didn't even know anyone who had Alpha or Delta but have known so many who caught omicron.  Even I got it earlier this month.  But it was pretty mild.  Sadly, folks with other health problems have had a harder time with covid.  Good news, is everyone should have good immunity to this wave once it is done. Covid should finally be gone for good then. 

I’m still dealing with Covid symptoms 2 weeks after I tested positive and one week after I left “quarantine”. I’m in my 30s and in good health but it’s still wearing me down each day as I still need to work.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: hangook77 on March 31, 2022, 02:14:07 pm
I’m still dealing with Covid symptoms 2 weeks after I tested positive and one week after I left “quarantine”. I’m in my 30s and in good health but it’s still wearing me down each day as I still need to work.

Yeah, it sounds about right.  At the two week mark, still a slight cough occasionally and tired a bit more easily for me.  I guess I was relatively healthy and mostly recovered asides from those two issues.  No body aches, chills, headaches, etc after a few days. 
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Lazio on March 31, 2022, 06:51:05 pm
Yes, I'm also hoping for better days next week. All the absenteeism has put me off my stride, especially with the younger students who have just started their first grammar books. Be missing for a chapter and that kind of has a flow-on effect. Trust me to tell everyone that they must come do catch-up work on a Friday or Saturday. Next time, I'll zip it and tell them missing pages are homework  >:(

I surveyed some classes this week. They can, for the most part openly talk about having covid. Just a month or two ago it was taboo.
Anyhow, turns out that anywhere between 30% and 80% of kids in each class had it. The average would be around 50%. So it's more or less double the national infection rate.
I guess the difference comes from testing all students twice (or even 3 times if there is a positive case in a class) a week for the past month.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: gogators! on March 31, 2022, 06:55:55 pm
907 is less than more than 1,000.

Close enough especially since more than 1,000 had died a few days before. And a lot closer than the number you posted.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on March 31, 2022, 07:52:07 pm
True. Testing catches the asymptomatic people who don't even know they have it. Of which there are many. 13 million Koreans got the 'rona. Most quickly recovered. No serious consequences for the vast majority of cases. Feeling it two weeks later is the exception, not the norm...for Koreans at least. Maybe they have better genetics?
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And a lot closer than the number you posted.

No. The 163 figure was accurate at the time of posting. It has since been revised down to 140. And the 50 was reduced to 47. Which of those days were you considering "yesterday"? When you posted, the March 28th stats had yet to be released. Best to admit you pulled a boner. Do you ever do that? Ever admit you were wrong?
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https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailydeaths

March 24th: 883
March 25th: 730
March 26th: 140
March 27th: 47
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Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Savant on March 31, 2022, 09:13:09 pm
True. Testing catches the asymptomatic people who don't even know they have it. Of which there are many. 13 million Koreans got the 'rona. Most quickly recovered. No serious consequences for the vast majority of cases. Feeling it two weeks later is the exception, not the norm...for Koreans at least. Maybe they have better genetics?


Do you have any statistics on Koreans for those "quickly recovered" versus "Not quickly recovered"? As the scientific medical professional that you are, what parameters are you using to define "quickly recovered"?
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: gogators! on April 01, 2022, 12:19:35 am
True. Testing catches the asymptomatic people who don't even know they have it. Of which there are many. 13 million Koreans got the 'rona. Most quickly recovered. No serious consequences for the vast majority of cases. Feeling it two weeks later is the exception, not the norm...for Koreans at least. Maybe they have better genetics?
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No. The 163 figure was accurate at the time of posting. It has since been revised down to 140. And the 50 was reduced to 47. Which of those days were you considering "yesterday"? When you posted, the March 28th stats had yet to be released. Best to admit you pulled a boner. Do you ever do that? Ever admit you were wrong?
___________________ ___________________ ___________________ _______
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailydeaths

March 24th: 883
March 25th: 730
March 26th: 140
March 27th: 47
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Seven-day average as of March 29 is 644 deaths a day. Nothing to be sneezed at.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Lazio on April 01, 2022, 08:11:53 pm
Do you have any statistics on Koreans for those "quickly recovered" versus "Not quickly recovered"? As the scientific medical professional that you are, what parameters are you using to define "quickly recovered"?

According to this: https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=326591
1 in 5 Koreans suffer from post-covid symptoms.

''Threat of post-coronavirus symptoms

As the cumulative number of infections here has reached over 13 million, an increasing number of people are suffering symptoms even after recovering from the disease, a condition known as long COVID.

According to data from the Health Insurance Review and Assessment Service, among 21,615 COVID-19 patients who had recovered, 4,139, or 19 percent, have visited a hospital due to post-coronavirus symptoms.

The most frequent symptoms experienced among them were fatigue, breathing difficulties, forgetfulness and sleeping disorder. Experts warned that the number of long COVID patients will surge in the coming months and called on the government to analyze data on the long-term aftereffects of the disease, based on which it should draw up treatment plans.

Against this backdrop, the National Institute of Health said Thursday it would conduct a survey among 1,000 former COVID-19 patients aged under 60, who do not have underlying health conditions, and announce the results within the latter half of this year.''
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on April 01, 2022, 08:58:32 pm
We all know loads of students and teachers who got covid. How many got long covid? I don't know a single one.

The link does not say 1 in 5 Koreans suffer from post-covid symptoms. That's an assumption. Seems like the data is referring to that tiny subset who were hospitalized. Of those, 19 percent revisited a hospital post recovery.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Lazio on April 01, 2022, 09:58:04 pm
We all know loads of students and teachers who got covid. How many got long covid? I don't know a single one.

The link does not say 1 in 5 Koreans suffer from post-covid symptoms. That's an assumption. Seems like the data is referring to that tiny subset who were hospitalized. Of those, 19 percent revisited a hospital post recovery.

There are some more details here:
https://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2022/04/01/2022040101257.html

So it's clear from this article that those 21 thousand something patients were indeed all hospitalized. However, it was back in 2020. And that time, every single covid positive person was hospitalized, whether they had severe, mild or no symptoms.
Of course, they were infected with the original Vuhan strain. Post-covid symptoms can vary depending on the strain. With Omicron, it might be less common. Or not.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: VanIslander on April 02, 2022, 01:52:39 am
Children don't have longterm effects of the virus?

*gasp*

The 50+ year olds can sigh in relief...

Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on April 02, 2022, 02:45:16 am
With Omicron, it might be less common. Or not.

Omicron is more contagious but more mild. Also, vaccines exist now, and Korea has a high vaccination rate. Now that so many have tested positive there is less fear, which translates to fewer detrimental physiological impacts / fewer perceived effects. The percentage of boosted Koreans who get long covid from omicron is very small. It happens, yes, but it is rare. Extremely rare.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Lazio on April 02, 2022, 08:22:28 am
The percentage of boosted Koreans who get long covid from omicron is very small. It happens, yes, but it is rare. Extremely rare.

You have no source to support this claim, do you? Other than ''I don't know anyone who suffered from it''.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on April 02, 2022, 09:24:02 am
I don’t, and you don’t, and others reading this don’t.  Or at least they can say the vast majority never got long covid. I’d be surprised if the collective number were above zero. Might be, but it’ll be in the low single digits percentage wise. Maybe 0%. But maybe slightly higher than 0%.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Savant on April 02, 2022, 09:28:28 am
I don’t, and you don’t, and others reading this don’t.  Or at least they can say the vast majority never got long covid. I’d be surprised if the collective number were above zero. Might be, but it’ll be in the low single digits percentage wise. Maybe 0%. But maybe slightly higher than 0%.

Yep, definitely, a scientific medical professional, most definitely.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on April 02, 2022, 09:33:27 am
If no one on this board knows a boosted Korean who got long covid from omicron, we can conclude it’s rare. Because we all know loads of Koreans who got the ‘rona. Do the math. Think of your own experience, readers, and see if it jibes with mine. It does.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Lazio on April 02, 2022, 09:58:41 am
If no one on this board knows a boosted Korean who got long covid from omicron, we can conclude it’s rare. Because we all know loads of Koreans who got the ‘rona. Do the math. Think of your own experience, readers, and see if it jibes with mine. It does.

I don’t, and you don’t, and others reading this don’t.  Or at least they can say the vast majority never got long covid. I’d be surprised if the collective number were above zero. Might be, but it’ll be in the low single digits percentage wise. Maybe 0%. But maybe slightly higher than 0%.

World-renowned scientist LI, with some cutting edge data analysis, reporting from South Korea.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on April 02, 2022, 12:24:56 pm
One need not be a world renowned scientist to see most students and teachers aren't dying from coronavirus. Nor are they getting long covid. Yes, some die, but it is extremely rare. Yes, some get long covid, but it is extremely rare.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Savant on April 02, 2022, 01:50:31 pm
World-renowned scientist LI, with some cutting edge data analysis, reporting from South Korea.

Using the tried and tested scientific method of "Do you know someone who got long covid?"
Getting the incredible result of "No?" with a detailed conclusion of "Then, it's not a thing then!"
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Savant on April 02, 2022, 01:55:16 pm
One need not be a world renowned scientist to see most students and teachers aren't dying from coronavirus. Nor are they getting long covid. Yes, some die, but it is extremely rare. Yes, some get long covid, but it is extremely rare.

https://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2022/04/01/2022040101257.html

From the article:
"Based on a study of patients from April to October in 2021, Yonsei University's Severance Hospital concluded that some 20 percent continued to suffer aftereffects until three months after infection.

Overseas studies also suggest that 30 to 40 percent of COVID patients suffer from lingering effects."

Even with we go with the lowest percentage of 20%, I doubt it can be measured as "extremely rare".
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on April 02, 2022, 02:02:30 pm
"Then, it's not a thing then!"

It happens, but it's not common. Especially among Koreans. Especially among the boosted. Especially among the healthy. Especially among the young.

Jesus, man, your article is pre omicron and pre wide scale vaccination. It's also looking at those hospitalized. Asymptomatic people with covid didn't even know they had it and hence weren't hospitalized.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Savant on April 02, 2022, 02:50:06 pm
It happens, but it's not common. Especially among Koreans. Especially among the boosted. Especially among the healthy. Especially among the young.

Jesus, man, your article is pre omicron and pre wide scale vaccination. It's also looking at those hospitalized. Asymptomatic people with covid didn't even know they had it and hence weren't hospitalized.

So, which is it? "Extremely rare" or "Not common"?

It's not looking at those hospitalized but of those still reporting symptoms months after first catching covid.

There is little data available for long covid from Omicron so beyond your anecdotal evidence, I'll wait for some study to come out with actual data. What I do know is those with symptoms, specifically the self-employed and small business owners are not getting tested because they do not want to have a loss of income. With Korean abandoning test and trace those people are now no longer forced into mandatory quarantine as there is no legal basis now for them to get tested.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Lazio on April 02, 2022, 02:58:48 pm
One need not be a world renowned scientist to see most students and teachers aren't dying from coronavirus. Nor are they getting long covid. Yes, some die, but it is extremely rare. Yes, some get long covid, but it is extremely rare.

Well, you kind of need to be one to jump to such assumptions.
Fact is, there is very little data available about long covid, caused by omicron because it's been only around for 4 months or so.
By definition, very few people could have long covid in Korea until now, since 12 weeks have to pass after being infected. Only after that it is considered long covid.
Even in other countries, there is no enough data yet to draw such conclusions.
But you get ahead of the international science world, and claim something that is solely based on your own observations.

How would you define ''extremely rare'' anyways? Even 1% is definitely not extremely rare. Should be 0.1% or even less to call it that.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on April 08, 2022, 11:07:32 am
There’s no set definition for extremely rare. 1% could be it. In my opinion it is. Highly unlikely. Regardless, almost all boosted Koreans who got omicron ended up fine. Those who didn’t were anomalies.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on April 08, 2022, 11:09:04 am
(http://res.heraldm.com/content/image/2022/04/06/20220406000835_0.jpg)
http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20220406000836

Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Lazio on April 08, 2022, 11:50:06 am
There’s no set definition for extremely rare. 1% could be it. In my opinion it is. Highly unlikely. Regardless, almost all boosted Koreans who got omicron ended up fine. Those who didn’t were anomalies.

From wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_disease
Definitions of rare disease in different countries:

Brazil   65 in 100,000   1 in 1,538
United States <200,000 in population   1 in 1,659
Argentina   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
Australia   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Chile   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Colombia   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
European Union   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Mexico   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Norway   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Panama   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
Singapore   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
Switzerland   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
United Kingdom   1 in 2,000[10]   1 in 2,000
Japan   <50,000 in population    1 in 2,507
Russian Federation10 in 100,000   1 in 10,000
Peru   1 in 100,000   1 in 100,000

1 in 2000 seems to be the common definition. And this is for ''rare''. For ''extremely rare'' one would need to add at least a zero to that.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: hangook77 on April 08, 2022, 11:59:14 am
Big difference between Omicron and all the other previous ones which were more severe.  But, healthy people still lived through them.  Omicron was like a mild flu in some ways, though not quite like the flu.  Symptoms were a bit different.  But quick recovery time and mild symptoms.  Chills, fever, tired achy body for a few days.   Some have diarrhea and or vomiting.  Some don't for a day or so.  Then it goes into lungs and is a bit of a cough.  But surprisingly not much of a stuffed nose or sinus headaches.  Maybe a few days are the worst then a few more days kind of bad slightly, then a few more days back to normal but slightly tired more easily and with a slight cough sometimes.  Then, back to normal - good as new. 
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on April 08, 2022, 12:01:04 pm
If only one in a thousand vaccinated people who catch Covid now are hospitalized, that seems hella unlikely.

What constitutes rare is a semantic disagreement.

I’m not afraid of Covid. Nor should anyone reading this who is boosted. I guess if old and unhealthy then maybe, but otherwise don’t worry about it. Improve your immune system then go about living normally.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Mr C on April 08, 2022, 02:47:56 pm
From wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_disease
Definitions of rare disease in different countries:

Brazil   65 in 100,000   1 in 1,538
United States <200,000 in population   1 in 1,659
Argentina   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
Australia   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Chile   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Colombia   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
European Union   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Mexico   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Norway   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Panama   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
Singapore   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
Switzerland   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
United Kingdom   1 in 2,000[10]   1 in 2,000
Japan   <50,000 in population    1 in 2,507
Russian Federation10 in 100,000   1 in 10,000
Peru   1 in 100,000   1 in 100,000

1 in 2000 seems to be the common definition. And this is for ''rare''. For ''extremely rare'' one would need to add at least a zero to that.

You clearly were not listening!  If you will JUST BE YOUNG AND HEALTHY, Covid is fine!

How many thousands of times does he have to tell you people!?!
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: VanIslander on April 08, 2022, 03:04:19 pm
Since i had COVID19 I haven't read any news or cared about it. I am basking in the sense of invulnerability that follows, at least for the first few months. I'm sure a new variant later in the year or next winter will be of concern, but even then my fear level won't rival pre-infection as my body has kicked it once. It may have worked out in the gym and become stronger but I'm confident I'll kick its *** again.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: kevingrabb on April 08, 2022, 05:01:34 pm
I take quinine every day.

Also, some L-arginine, Lecithin, Pygeum and zinc!
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Lazio on April 10, 2022, 12:40:21 pm
I surveyed some classes this week. They can, for the most part openly talk about having covid. Just a month or two ago it was taboo.
Anyhow, turns out that anywhere between 30% and 80% of kids in each class had it. The average would be around 50%. So it's more or less double the national infection rate.
I guess the difference comes from testing all students twice (or even 3 times if there is a positive case in a class) a week for the past month.

My survey was more or less accurate.
Half of children under 9, have been infected with covid.
Between 10 and 19, the infection rate is over 43%

https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=327035&utm_source=dable

For the entire population of Korea, the infection rate is 30%.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: Orkblut on April 10, 2022, 03:39:40 pm
One needs to dig a bit deep for Covid info these days because the most important thing in our lives right now is apparently the war in Ukraine.
Title: Re: So many new infections in Korea.
Post by: L I on April 10, 2022, 03:55:58 pm
People are sick of hearing about / thinking about coronavirus I guess, and now with vaccines, it’s not much of a danger. Even before vaccines it wasn’t much of a danger for the overwhelming majority. Half the world has been infected. What happened to them? Overall, not much. So people are less afraid than before.