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Title: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: catbird on December 07, 2021, 10:06:19 pm
Tonight my wife (white American) and I (white American) were with friends, a gay couple (white Canadian men), and we were accused of coming here to have sex with Korean women.  I also keep seeing foreigners in general and English teachers in particular, especially teachers on the E-2 visa, accused of this on various internet forums, even though we seem to be the least likely out of anyone in Korea to date Koreans, with the exception of American military personnel.  Has anyone else noticed this in other forums online, or in real life comments? 
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: waygo0k on December 08, 2021, 08:05:55 am
Err...welcome to Korea?

This has been the case for decades. Excellently catalogued here - http://populargusts.blogspot.com/search/label/Xenophobia%20or%20Nationalism
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: CO2 on December 08, 2021, 08:17:30 am
Even if someone came here for that, who cares?

News Flash: People wanna have sex with other people.

Obviously there's creepy "Oh wow, you're Korean, you're so hot. Hi, Noonar. Wow, your Korean eyes are so sexy. Say 'You are handsome' in Korean. kkkkk "

These are known as creeps and they are creepy to ALL women.

Any person of any nation who thinks that women are "their women" and that they are pure and must be defended against dating outsiders is a POS. This road of shitty behaviour and views goes both ways. Koreans who get mad at foreigners for dating "their women" are, dare I say it, even worse than the fetishists.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: SPQR on December 08, 2021, 09:11:07 am
Wait, there was another reason?

I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Chinguetti on December 08, 2021, 09:27:44 am
It's nationalism and xenophobia coupled with projection. The type of people who tend to openly accuse strangers of this with no basis for it whatsoever also tend to be the same type of people who go on sex tours in SE Asia and approach random foreign women to ask if they've ever slept with a Korean man before, lol.

"Do you live alone? You Russia? How much?"

I remember this story about an American woman who married a Korean man, and her little sister came to visit one year. Husband took little sister out to buy something, they got approached by another Korean man who kept trying to "buy" the little sister. Who was very obviously still a child, to make it worse. Very same man would probably spit at a passing foreigner for trying to "steal our women."

They're just shitheads. There's literally no rational thought behind it, they're xenophobic/racist asshats who're just using it as an excuse to harass others. Most of them are major hypocrites. Just ignore them.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Chinguetti on December 08, 2021, 09:39:28 am
Outside of that, people here really buy into stereotypes, no matter how ridiculous those stereotypes are. This particular stereotype is one of the more malicious ones (perpetuated by groups known for their xenophobic rhetoric), but, really, there's no end to them. Obviously, it's not everyone, but it is a fact of life for expats here, and you've got to be mindful of it so that you don't get caught off guard later, lol.

Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: grimlock2 on December 08, 2021, 09:44:46 am
It's nationalism and xenophobia coupled with projection. The type of people who tend to openly accuse strangers of this with no basis for it whatsoever also tend to be the same type of people who go on sex tours in SE Asia and approach random foreign women to ask if they've ever slept with a Korean man before, lol.

"Do you live alone? You Russia? How much?"

I remember this story about an American woman who married a Korean man, and her little sister came to visit one year. Husband took little sister out to buy something, they got approached by another Korean man who kept trying to "buy" the little sister. Who was very obviously still a child, to make it worse. Very same man would probably spit at a passing foreigner for trying to "steal our women."

They're just shitheads. There's literally no rational thought behind it, they're xenophobic/racist asshats who're just using it as an excuse to harass others. Most of them are major hypocrites. Just ignore them.

Was the OP not talking about Westerners making this accusation, not Koreans? Actually It's a bit confusing as he said he and his wife were accused of coming here to have sex with Korean women, by two gay guys. Or were the gay guys also accused? Don't know what's going on there.  No offence to you but in my experience by far the demographic that accuses straight, white men of coming to Korea to have sex with Korean women the most,  is straight, white women. Though that could be because I don't hang out with Koreans much.
 
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: tylerthegloob on December 08, 2021, 09:48:28 am
it must the latter, right? but yeah i wasn't sure either
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: catbird on December 08, 2021, 10:29:42 am
Was the OP not talking about Westerners making this accusation, not Koreans? Actually It's a bit confusing as he said he and his wife were accused of coming here to have sex with Korean women, by two gay guys. Or were the gay guys also accused? Don't know what's going on there.  No offence to you but in my experience by far the demographic that accuses straight, white men of coming to Korea to have sex with Korean women the most,  is straight, white women. Though that could be because I don't hang out with Koreans much.
 

I'm sorry for wording my original post poorly, but our group of four was verbally berated by two Koreans.  I just pointed at my wife and said, "But this is my wife.  She's not even Korean."  I didn't out my friends, especially since we live and work in this neighborhood.  I didn't know what else to tell them.  We were looking at each other puzzled and we really didn't say much.  They sort of caught us off guard.

I had read this online quite a few times, but this is the first time we've experienced something like this in real life.   
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: VanIslander on December 08, 2021, 10:45:03 am
A Korean man asked me where I was from and what my job was and then asked THREE times if I "liked" Korean women, if I "dated" Korean women, if I had a Korean "girlfriend". "Yeah, I guess" "Sometimes" and "No".

He was 40-something, that age when Korean men seem to be either your best friend or biggest jerk.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 08, 2021, 10:55:22 am
Was the OP not talking about Westerners making this accusation, not Koreans? Actually It's a bit confusing as he said he and his wife were accused of coming here to have sex with Korean women, by two gay guys. Or were the gay guys also accused?
Yeah I'm a bit confused as well.

Was his wife accused of coming here to have sex with Korean women? The gay guys in a bisexual threesome? Are they telling the gay guys they only came here to have sex with Korean men?

This is starting to all sound a bit kinky. Was this an accusation or an invitation? Maybe person was trying to bring OP to one of those swinger clubs.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: SPQR on December 08, 2021, 11:30:26 am
Yeah, it is such a double standard.  I couldn't care less if Koreans
want to go to my home country and shag everything that moves.
But god forbid a white guy gets lucky with Korean women.

Although, this phenomenon happens most with middle aged Korean
men who have a unfounded sense of entitlement. They perceive
Korean women as their possessions.  I have noticed that the
younger generation are much more cosmopolitan and worldly in
this respect.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 08, 2021, 03:00:55 pm
Shades of Anti English Spectrum?

https://populargusts.blogspot.com/2017/07/anti-english-spectrum-distributes.html

At least we use to be paid more (with cost of living and inflation factored in) to put up with it.

Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: CO2 on December 08, 2021, 03:26:01 pm
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Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: plan b on December 08, 2021, 03:28:06 pm
Let's be clear here though.. The real statement of this thread is that Koreans do not want foreign men dating Korean women.

Most point here tend to only look at racism and xenophobia as the sole reasons. This is fair but a rather simplistic way of looking at things.

A better rationale would be demographics. There just aren't enough Korean women to go around. That isn't the case nowadays with kids. Go to any elementary school and you'll find a fairly even ratio of men to women. Kids born today will not have to go what previous generations are going through today..a lack of resources...with women being the resources.

This isn't the case for someone born in 1990. In 1990 there were 116 boys born for every 100 girls. Fast forward to 2021 and that 31 year old office worker simply can't find a woman. He does everything he can, earns a decent salary, and dresses well, but simply cannot find a wife or even get laid. He is devastated at the prospect of going through life like this.

He goes with friends on a Saturday night outing to Hongdae and what does he see? He sees a skinny white dude with a Korean honey in his arms. One that would not give him the time of day. An hour goes by and he sees two obvious American soldiers, one white, and one black guy walking into a love motel with two Korean female companions. Who knows what sick things will go in there. He heads home, knowing full well that these women would not give him or his friends the time of day.

Of course there is going to be resentment against foreigners. With the deck already stacked against them, even foreigners have swept in and are taking a piece of the pie, which they can simply not access.
Not only will there be resentment, but possible hatred against these foreign "intruders" who are making a hard life even more difficult.

Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: grimlock2 on December 08, 2021, 03:39:06 pm
Let's be clear here though.. The real statement of this thread is that Koreans do not want foreign men dating Korean women.

Most point here tend to only look at racism and xenophobia as the sole reasons. This is fair but a rather simplistic way of looking at things.

A better rationale would be demographics. There just aren't enough Korean women to go around. That isn't the case nowadays with kids. Go to any elementary school and you'll find a fairly even ratio of men to women. Kids born today will not have to go what previous generations are going through today..a lack of resources...with women being the resources.

This isn't the case for someone born in 1990. In 1990 there were 116 boys born for every 100 girls. Fast forward to 2021 and that 31 year old office worker simply can't find a woman. He does everything he can, earns a decent salary, and dresses well, but simply cannot find a wife or even get laid. He is devastated at the prospect of going through life like this.

He goes with friends on a Saturday night outing to Hongdae and what does he see? He sees a skinny white dude with a Korean honey in his arms. One that would not give him the time of day. An hour goes by and he sees two obvious American soldiers, one white, and one black guy walking into a love motel with two Korean female companions. Who knows what sick things will go in there. He heads home, knowing full well that these women would not give him or his friends the time of day.

Of course there is going to be resentment against foreigners. With the deck already stacked against them, even foreigners have swept in and are taking a piece of the pie, which they can simply not access.
Not only will there be resentment, but possible hatred against these foreign "intruders" who are making a hard life even more difficult.

On the other hand, due to globalisation/tourism/increase in the numbers of people working here, foreigners no longer have as much as a wow factor for Korean women as they used to. Plus teacher salaries stagnating (thanks hangook 77) means they hold less economic attraction. Meanwhile you've got the hordes of white women teacher and student koreaboos flocking over, all looking for Korean boyfriends. Korean dudes never had it so good. (before Covid anyway)
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: SPQR on December 08, 2021, 03:44:39 pm

Shades of Anti English Spectrum?


Does anyone remember that freak Korean man that would follow foreigners
around and spy on them? He wanted it to be his life achievement to catch
a foreigner on drugs or with an underage woman. He ended up never
catching anyone. Loser.


He goes with friends on a Saturday night outing to Hongdae and what does he see? He sees a skinny white dude with a Korean honey in his arms. One that would not give him the time of day. An hour goes by and he sees two obvious American soldiers, one white, and one black guy walking into a love motel with two Korean female companions. Who knows what sick things will go in there. He heads home, knowing full well that these women would not give him or his friends the time of day.


This may be a possible contributing factor, but it certainly isn't an excuse.
These so-called "men" don't own Korean women. This fact is in stark contrast
to when this place was the hermit kingdom.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: waygo0k on December 08, 2021, 03:54:08 pm
Let's be clear here though.. The real statement of this thread is that Koreans do not want foreign men dating Korean women.

Most point here tend to only look at racism and xenophobia as the sole reasons. This is fair but a rather simplistic way of looking at things.

A better rationale would be demographics. There just aren't enough Korean women to go around. That isn't the case nowadays with kids. Go to any elementary school and you'll find a fairly even ratio of men to women. Kids born today will not have to go what previous generations are going through today..a lack of resources...with women being the resources.

This isn't the case for someone born in 1990. In 1990 there were 116 boys born for every 100 girls. Fast forward to 2021 and that 31 year old office worker simply can't find a woman. He does everything he can, earns a decent salary, and dresses well, but simply cannot find a wife or even get laid. He is devastated at the prospect of going through life like this.

He goes with friends on a Saturday night outing to Hongdae and what does he see? He sees a skinny white dude with a Korean honey in his arms. One that would not give him the time of day. An hour goes by and he sees two obvious American soldiers, one white, and one black guy walking into a love motel with two Korean female companions. Who knows what sick things will go in there. He heads home, knowing full well that these women would not give him or his friends the time of day.

Of course there is going to be resentment against foreigners. With the deck already stacked against them, even foreigners have swept in and are taking a piece of the pie, which they can simply not access.
Not only will there be resentment, but possible hatred against these foreign "intruders" who are making a hard life even more difficult.



The K government will literally pay him to get his mitts on a poor woman from SE Asia if he feels that entitled to female attention.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 08, 2021, 03:54:32 pm
Anti-English spectrum is about as relevant today as the gay marriage debate is today in the U.S. I know for old-timers it is somehow a significant event in their lives that these dudes who no one met and were forgotten about after 6 months by the general populace did what they did, but in this day in age the average Korean woman who was of dating age back then is married with kids and you probably aren't trying to date her.

As grimlock said, most of these people were older. They grew up in a time of both income disparity as well as general status, not to mention, that there were, lets just say...less than progressive attitudes racially in the late 70s early 80s and I don't just mean amongst Korean people.

Contrast that to 2021 and things are vastly different. People are more globalized and both Koreans and Westerners are much more progressive and open-minded in their thinking. If anything conditions have somewhat reversed. It seems at least a large percentage of foreign female NETS prefer to date Korean men over other foreigners. Not to mention there are women of other internationalities having Korean male fetishes. The improved economic status of Korea also is a big factor. Any decent-looking Korean guy with a good job can probably do alright on the dating scene. Even those with so-so jobs can still do pretty well. All of this, combined with more enlightened attitudes, has really helped things. It wasn't like 1985. There weren't Korean boy bands traveling to London and being greeted by screaming fans.

One other thing- If you take regular jaunts to SE Asia (or any developing country) for "fun", don't lecture people on viewing women as commodities/possessions. Seriously, paying $20 for sex to someone who has a 40% chance of being trafficked and in a country with widespread endemic poverty, that's not too many steps removed from some pretty shitty practices. Now on the other hand, if you admit the general scuzziness of it and say we all have our vices, more power to you. Hey, plenty of men the world over go and do this and it helps the local economy, so it's not all bad. But spare the finger-wagging while also doing that.

Finally, if you use an Asian porn star as your avatar on a discussion board about living and working in Asia (teaching, no less), don't be shocked when people accuse you of traveling to Asia for sex. I mean that's like being "Just because I have a rainbow flag and two male pictograms DOES NOT make me gay. How dare you assume that!"
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 08, 2021, 04:08:36 pm
These so-called "men" don't own Korean women. This fact is in stark contrast
The K government will literally pay him to get his mitts on a poor woman from SE Asia if he feels that entitled to female attention.

Ladies and gentlemen, the racism and xenophobia of Koreans to international dating.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: SPQR on December 08, 2021, 04:41:46 pm

Ladies and gentlemen, the racism and xenophobia of Koreans to international dating.


Hey, professor. I think you have actually gotten something right. Well done, lad.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: catbird on December 08, 2021, 08:34:49 pm
Yeah I'm a bit confused as well.

Was his wife accused of coming here to have sex with Korean women? The gay guys in a bisexual threesome? Are they telling the gay guys they only came here to have sex with Korean men?

This is starting to all sound a bit kinky. Was this an accusation or an invitation? Maybe person was trying to bring OP to one of those swinger clubs.

I got the impression that it was pointed more toward me and our friends than my wife.  But after reading your post saying foreign women are fetishizing Koreans, it seems like the paintbrush of this myth is becoming wide enough to include women, not just men.  I don't think they were inviting us to have sex with them or to any sex clubs.  I don't think they even knew our friends are gay.

And you're definitely coming at us all wrong by accusing or implying we take sex trips to southeastern Asia and upload pornos onto my profile or hers, which as out of place as what the Koreans said yesterday.  That's two days in a row of weird accusations coming out of nowhere.     
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: catbird on December 08, 2021, 08:56:37 pm
Yeah, it is such a double standard.  I couldn't care less if Koreans
want to go to my home country and shag everything that moves.
But god forbid a white guy gets lucky with Korean women.

When I see Koreans in my hometown, Miami, I don't think nor do I think anyone thinks, "They're just here to shag the local women."  How would that even be the first thing someone thinks?  It seems like such schizotypal behavior to jump to that conclusion and then confront a group of strangers about something like that.

And it seems like they're trying to turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy.  When we get put off by such random, bizarre, passive-aggressive conduct, it makes us more likely to leave and then who will our employers hire?  There's a 0% chance that any of the four of us will date a Korean woman or try to have sex with one.  If our employers have to hire four random North Americans to replace us, it's possible that number could go up, since there's no room for it to go down.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: waygo0k on December 08, 2021, 10:53:59 pm
Ladies and gentlemen, the racism and xenophobia of Koreans to international dating.

Just like white American men who ignored anti miscegenation laws in the 1950s and brought their war brides from Asia home…Korean men can also be anti-Korean women dating out while simultaneously being pro-importing brides.

Racists and sexists don’t need much logic to justify their views and actions.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: CO2 on December 08, 2021, 10:56:14 pm
ReMeMbEr AmErIcA iN thE 50S?
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: gogators! on December 09, 2021, 01:09:02 am
I always thought back in the day that there was a segment of Americans who didn't do very well on the dating scene back home who came to Korea to find a girlfriend. I'm not talking about yellow fever but just guys trying to take advantage of being somewhat unique in Korea. I don't think this was there only reason for teaching in Korea, but I believe it was a factor.

Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: waygo0k on December 09, 2021, 05:53:05 am
I always thought back in the day that there was a segment of Americans who didn't do very well on the dating scene back home who came to Korea to find a girlfriend. I'm not talking about yellow fever but just guys trying to take advantage of being somewhat unique in Korea. I don't think this was there only reason for teaching in Korea, but I believe it was a factor.



Charisma man! Though that was more of a Japan thing.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Adel on December 09, 2021, 06:10:39 am
I think he makes Korean appearances at Starbucks doesn't he?

Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: tylerthegloob on December 09, 2021, 07:27:12 am
ReMeMbEr AmErIcA iN thE 50S?
oh you must've been fun in history class
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: tylerthegloob on December 09, 2021, 07:31:04 am
An hour goes by and he sees two obvious American soldiers, one white, and one black guy walking into a love motel with two Korean female companions. Who knows what sick things will go in there. He heads home, knowing full well that these women would not give him or his friends the time of day.

u good, dude?
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: CO2 on December 09, 2021, 07:36:06 am
oh you must've been fun in history class

The only thing we cover concerning America is how we kicked their ass in the War of 1812. hahaha
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: waygo0k on December 09, 2021, 07:36:20 am
I think he makes Korean appearances at Starbucks doesn't he?



Ooooh you said it not me!

oh you must've been fun in history class

He prefers we ignore history because “it’s all in the past”…while he simultaneously reminisces about the good old days and how we need to go back to how things were.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Adel on December 09, 2021, 07:41:17 am
Ooooh you said it not me!


Apparently he refuses to work for 2.1 million Won though.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: CO2 on December 09, 2021, 07:46:33 am
Ooooh you said it not me!

He prefers we ignore history because “it’s all in the past”…while he simultaneously reminisces about the good old days and how we need to go back to how things were.

Eat a giant Richard, you insufferable cant. When have I claimed any of that?  Seriously.......... ......
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: D.L.Orean on December 09, 2021, 07:47:17 am
Apparently he refuses to work for 2.1 million Won though.

If 2.1 isn't enough, let me tell you about a magical place called China.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Adel on December 09, 2021, 07:50:44 am
Eat a giant Richard, you insufferable cant. When have I claimed any of that?  Seriously.......... ......

I  am not sure you spelt that expletive correctly! Shouldn't it have a "u" rather than an "a"?
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: waygo0k on December 09, 2021, 07:52:21 am
Eat a giant Richard, you insufferable cant. When have I claimed any of that?  Seriously.......... ......

I don’t think I would be able to finish a giant Richard all by myself. Care to join me?
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Chinguetti on December 09, 2021, 08:31:31 am
Was the OP not talking about Westerners making this accusation, not Koreans? Actually It's a bit confusing as he said he and his wife were accused of coming here to have sex with Korean women, by two gay guys. Or were the gay guys also accused? Don't know what's going on there.  No offence to you but in my experience by far the demographic that accuses straight, white men of coming to Korea to have sex with Korean women the most,  is straight, white women. Though that could be because I don't hang out with Koreans much.
 

Yeah, his first post was a little confusing, but I got the impression that it was Koreans who had approached him and his group (from small details here and there), and I went along with that assumption because whenever I've heard or seen shit like this it's normally Koreans. Usually middle-aged, but I've seen young Koreans pull this bullshit, too. I even know teachers whose ELEMENTARY students have said this to them (clearly something they've heard from the adults in their lives).

As far as foreign women making this accusation, I have personally never seen it happen in real life. We're talking about strangers approaching strangers here. In fact, the only time I've seen foreign women accuse foreign men of this is online, and even then it was more of a general statement about sexpats and fetishists (because of course they are a sub-category of foreigners here).

Not that I don't believe that it has happened or that there are foreigners who carry the same sentiment about foreign men (because of course they exist, too). It's just not what I've personally seen and experienced in the majority of cases. It's pretty much always a Korean making these comments. Which only makes sense since the population here is 97%+ Korean, lol.

It's a form of xenophobia/racism being disguised as gatekeeping, in this case. People try to rationalize it, but it always, ALWAYS comes down to ego. It has nothing to do with demographics or birth rates.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: SPQR on December 09, 2021, 08:35:08 am
What's a giant Richard?
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Chinguetti on December 09, 2021, 08:54:26 am
What's a giant Richard?

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTYxMTAzMTk3OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNzcwNzU2._V1_UY1200_CR90,0,630,1200_AL_.jpg)
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: CO2 on December 09, 2021, 09:06:35 am
I  am not sure you spelt that expletive correctly! Shouldn't it have a "u" rather than an "a"?

Plausible deniability.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 09, 2021, 10:36:59 am
On the other hand, due to globalisation/tourism/increase in the numbers of people working here, foreigners no longer have as much as a wow factor for Korean women as they used to. Plus teacher salaries stagnating (thanks hangook 77) means they hold less economic attraction. Meanwhile you've got the hordes of white women teacher and student koreaboos flocking over, all looking for Korean boyfriends. Korean dudes never had it so good. (before Covid anyway)

Not sure why you are thanking me for that.  It's not my fault.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 09, 2021, 10:42:05 am
Let's be clear here though.. The real statement of this thread is that Koreans do not want foreign men dating Korean women.

Most point here tend to only look at racism and xenophobia as the sole reasons. This is fair but a rather simplistic way of looking at things.

A better rationale would be demographics. There just aren't enough Korean women to go around. That isn't the case nowadays with kids. Go to any elementary school and you'll find a fairly even ratio of men to women. Kids born today will not have to go what previous generations are going through today..a lack of resources...with women being the resources.

This isn't the case for someone born in 1990. In 1990 there were 116 boys born for every 100 girls. Fast forward to 2021 and that 31 year old office worker simply can't find a woman. He does everything he can, earns a decent salary, and dresses well, but simply cannot find a wife or even get laid. He is devastated at the prospect of going through life like this.

He goes with friends on a Saturday night outing to Hongdae and what does he see? He sees a skinny white dude with a Korean honey in his arms. One that would not give him the time of day. An hour goes by and he sees two obvious American soldiers, one white, and one black guy walking into a love motel with two Korean female companions. Who knows what sick things will go in there. He heads home, knowing full well that these women would not give him or his friends the time of day.

Of course there is going to be resentment against foreigners. With the deck already stacked against them, even foreigners have swept in and are taking a piece of the pie, which they can simply not access.
Not only will there be resentment, but possible hatred against these foreign "intruders" who are making a hard life even more difficult.



Hardly.  A westerner is here 15 years too late for the "wow" factor.  "Me love you long time" is long gone.  Unless you are a good looking guy or give women that vibe to begin with, women here won't trip all over you just because you are different anymore.  (And believe me, I met some guys who were kind of tall with blond hair, but their faces were blech who had some pretty attractive Korean wives.  They got here several years before me and really cornered the market.  Girls loved them because they had blond hair, were tall, and made good money back then.  Guys like that came over the past 10 years and had a much tougher time.)
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 09, 2021, 10:45:35 am
And you're definitely coming at us all wrong by accusing or implying we take sex trips to southeastern Asia and upload pornos onto my profile or hers, which as out of place as what the Koreans said yesterday.  That's two days in a row of weird accusations coming out of nowhere.     
That wasn't directed at you. That post I didn't quote you or state your ID, so wasn't trying to make it about you. The SE Asia reference was about certain people on this board who have hinted at regular trips there for "entertainment" and one poster in particular talking about how he isn't here for sex yet for a long time had an Asian porn star as his avatar on a forum.

Anyways we all have different reasons for being here. Some are here for their 3.8 million a month. Others are here because both they and their wife make good money with the rand stinking it up, others because they're into the tender embrace of magkeolli, others came for the Starcraft scene, others clearly came for sex but have to lie to themselves and us about it, others came for an even more tragic reason- the puppy love of one girl in particular, I think one of us actually came because thay had a legit non-teaching job, another came to spread the Message of Stossel, and finally one of us came as a paid Korean govt/GOP spokesperson on internet forums.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 09, 2021, 10:52:09 am
Let me add what is new in the last few years are the number of white women who come here actually wanting to date or marry a Korean dude.  So, that didn't use to happen.  I hate to say it but it was quite rare 10 or more years ago for a white woman to date a Korean or Asian man, unless they were slightly odd.  A white chick wanting to find her "oppa" is a strange new phenomenon.  (Most women did not like Asian men at all.)  Anyways, a Korean man can date a white girl or even import a pretty bride from another Asian country.  So, he has options he may not have had  in the past.  Also, the economy is bad for everyone so many are opting out of marriage too.   

I don't care who dates who, but if a Korean man dates a white woman then Korean men shouldn't care if white men date Korean women.  Of course if they see the white woman as a status of conquest, then hypocritical double standards will apply. 

Overall, as I said before, a white guy, black guy, whomever else will still attract Korean women if he's funny, good looking, charming, rich, etc.   (Not all of those qualities at once, just one or two of them.)  It's almost the same as being in the west and attracting western women.  The only difference is you don't have to deal with the woke crap and some chick going angry feminist on you.  (But, I'd tell some white chick, I love Trump and watch their reaction.  If they get angry or bail, then I know they aren't for me anyhow.  Then again, I see a lot of info online claiming Conservative women are hot.  So, who knows?) 
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: VanIslander on December 09, 2021, 10:57:52 am
Let me add what is new in the last few years are the number of white women who come here actually wanting to date or marry a Korean dude.  So, that didn't use to happen.
Really "hangook77"? Really?

You know one or two such?

Vegas has the over/under at 0.5
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: 745sticky on December 09, 2021, 10:59:09 am
Then again, I see a lot of info online claiming Conservative women are hot.  So, who knows?)

even if you set politics aside, they aren't

Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 09, 2021, 11:05:30 am
Let me add what is new in the last few years are the number of white women who come here actually wanting to date or marry a Korean dude.  So, that didn't use to happen.  I hate to say it but it was quite rare 10 or more years ago for a white woman to date a Korean or Asian man, unless they were slightly odd.  A white chick wanting to find her "oppa" is a strange new phenomenon.  (Most women did not like Asian men at all.)  Anyways, a Korean man can date a white girl or even import a pretty bride from another Asian country.  So, he has options he may not have had  in the past.  Also, the economy is bad for everyone so many are opting out of marriage too.   

I don't care who dates who, but if a Korean man dates a white woman then Korean men shouldn't care if white men date Korean women.  Of course if they see the white woman as a status of conquest, then hypocritical double standards will apply. 

Funny how in none of this is it considered that white people/westerners also started being more open-minded or engaged in any changes and that perhaps prejudice was a two-way street.

I will say I think changes started earlier. Like 2010ish. I will also say, that I've heard some dodgy things personally, both back home and from expats here either directed at me or at other couples where the person was a Korean/Asian man. And that the comments increased in nastiness relative to the physical attraction of the woman in question.

Wasn't there a thread on here about one such relationship (not the one with the psycho husband) but a different one and the person was trying to date Korean men or something and a few so-called men on this site went full ajosshi on how she was making a mistake by going interracial?

I don't think a lot of people are as neutral on this as they proclaim, and some of the ones making a big stink about it come across as the most likely offenders.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 09, 2021, 11:42:39 am
Funny how in none of this is it considered that white people/westerners also started being more open-minded or engaged in any changes and that perhaps prejudice was a two-way street.

I will say I think changes started earlier. Like 2010ish. I will also say, that I've heard some dodgy things personally, both back home and from expats here either directed at me or at other couples where the person was a Korean/Asian man. And that the comments increased in nastiness relative to the physical attraction of the woman in question.

Wasn't there a thread on here about one such relationship (not the one with the psycho husband) but a different one and the person was trying to date Korean men or something and a few so-called men on this site went full ajosshi on how she was making a mistake by going interracial?

I don't think a lot of people are as neutral on this as they proclaim, and some of the ones making a big stink about it come across as the most likely offenders.

Oh, yeah?  I never saw anything like that.  Personally, I never cared who dated who.  I just didn't see many white women dating Korean men until the last few years or so.  I do know the rare few who did try it before say 2010 commented on Dave's about it.  The women said the guys ended up being physco stalkers and acted sexist towards them.  (Their comments, not mine.)  But, I don't think younger Korean men have these behaviours that were described a couple of decades ago. 
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 09, 2021, 11:45:00 am
even if you set politics aside, they aren't



I haven't lived in the west for a while.  So, who knows?  But some studies were done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNkg78D5iqI

Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 09, 2021, 11:50:31 am
Really "hangook77"? Really?

You know one or two such?

Vegas has the over/under at 0.5

??  Anyways, the K dramas on netflix and the k pop videos on YouTube gave a small number of young white women some idealized fantasy.  Not the majority by any means, but a few.  It may be a very tiny per centage but it is still way more than before.  You can even see them posting vids on YouTube about wanting to live a "Korean" life. 

The point is that there are far more white or black women willing to date or even marry a Korean man.  Some are from the English speaking countries, some are even from other non English European countries.  Quite a few married white women on Facebook expat groups too.  (You know married to Korean men.)  I really don't care either way.  Just making an observation. 
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 09, 2021, 11:54:53 am
Just one video.  Do some deeper digging find plenty more examples of a foreign chick with a Korean man. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r27O9jgjzg
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: SPQR on December 09, 2021, 12:19:06 pm
Sorry, I don't go to Waygook.org to watch videos.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 09, 2021, 12:36:00 pm
Oh, yeah?  I never saw anything like that.  Personally, I never cared who dated who.  I just didn't see many white women dating Korean men until the last few years or so.  I do know the rare few who did try it before say 2010 commented on Dave's about it.  The women said the guys ended up being physco stalkers and acted sexist towards them.  (Their comments, not mine.)  But, I don't think younger Korean men have these behaviours that were described a couple of decades ago.
https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=81686.20
Here's one such thread. I think there was another out there. It starts as a shitpost but later on you see the discussion evolve, especially when female posters actually start entering the discussion. Not to mention the underlying current of (side note- I don't think homophobia is the correct word to use in a lot of cases, because a lot of comments aren't really homophobic, they're more like people being insecure about other people being gay or using gayness as an insult. Whatever it is, you see it in this thread from a few male posters). 

Basically a few posters on here back then, and I suspect a few now essentially hold this view- "I don't have a problem with Koreans dating white/British/American women, though why any of them would want to date one of those wife-beating gay effeminate chain-smoking makeup-obsessed kimchi belching girly pig men is beyond me. But I don't have a problem. Only bigoted, judgmental Korean people are like that."
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: VanIslander on December 09, 2021, 01:16:20 pm
Just one video.  Do some deeper digging find plenty more examples of a foreign chick with a Korean man.
Wow. You are right.
As you'd say:  https://youtu.be/P5mtclwloEQ
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 09, 2021, 01:32:24 pm
https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=81686.20
Here's one such thread. I think there was another out there. It starts as a shitpost but later on you see the discussion evolve, especially when female posters actually start entering the discussion. Not to mention the underlying current of (side note- I don't think homophobia is the correct word to use in a lot of cases, because a lot of comments aren't really homophobic, they're more like people being insecure about other people being gay or using gayness as an insult. Whatever it is, you see it in this thread from a few male posters). 

Basically a few posters on here back then, and I suspect a few now essentially hold this view- "I don't have a problem with Koreans dating white/British/American women, though why any of them would want to date one of those wife-beating gay effeminate chain-smoking makeup-obsessed kimchi belching girly pig men is beyond me. But I don't have a problem. Only bigoted, judgmental Korean people are like that."

You seem to be making the accusations.  But as of 2015 (when you posted this) and especially before, you really did not see white women and Korean men all that often.  More so since then. 

Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 09, 2021, 01:36:22 pm
Wow. You are right.
As you'd say:  https://youtu.be/P5mtclwloEQ

Well, that was painful.  But, it seems you were too sexy for Jeju-Do.  So, they kicked you off. 
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 09, 2021, 01:40:31 pm
Sorry, I don't go to Waygook.org to watch videos.

You already said that.  Don't go to waygook then. 
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: VanIslander on December 09, 2021, 01:56:26 pm
Well, that was painful.  But, it seems you were too sexy for Jeju-Do.  So, they kicked you off. 
Indeed. Never date your boss. It never ends well. She sees to it.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Liechtenstein on December 09, 2021, 02:20:17 pm
When I first arrived in Korea in September 2005, the Principal of the school I worked at told me upon meeting me the very first day that Korean women were not to be dated.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: VanIslander on December 09, 2021, 02:23:24 pm
When I first arrived in Korea in September 2005, the Principal of the school I worked at told me upon meeting me the very first day that Korean women were not to be dated.
Wow.

I had a Korean friend who always wanted to do the 3-stop dinner, drinks, singing room but shooed away women at every turn, even when i was interested. He was either gay or ****blocking, i concluded.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 09, 2021, 02:26:51 pm
You seem to be making the accusations.  But as of 2015 (when you posted this) and especially before, you really did not see white women and Korean men all that often.  More so since then. 
Right, but they weren't that uncommon in 2015.

The point was that underneath the surface, amongst us there are a few with some ajosshi-y attitudes in the other direction. Not to mention that there might have also been some prejudice in the other direction towards Koreans that thankfully is fading, much as Koreans are becoming less prickish about foreigners dating Koreans.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 09, 2021, 02:30:03 pm
When I first arrived in Korea in September 2005, the Principal of the school I worked at told me upon meeting me the very first day that Korean women were not to be dated.
2005- Korean women are not to be dated- Principal being racist asshole to poor foreigner.
2021- Korean women are not to be dated- Principal trying to spare poor foreigner from endless pleas by girlfriend for selfies, couple outfits, instagramming, shopping purchases, kakao interruptions. domineering and possessive behavior and eventual heartbreak and jadedness.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: 745sticky on December 09, 2021, 03:21:45 pm
2021- Korean women are not to be dated- Principal trying to spare poor foreigner from endless pleas by girlfriend for selfies, couple outfits, instagramming, shopping purchases, kakao interruptions. domineering and possessive behavior and eventual heartbreak and jadedness.

my principal didn't bless me with that level of sympathy, all i got for like my first few months was why don't i have a girlfriend/don't you like korean women? maybe someday i'll make like the military men and rush to tinder, but for now i still have an allergic reaction to dating apps.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: tylerthegloob on December 10, 2021, 07:40:17 am
yeah dude better stay off tinder or else you might find yourself in a beautiful motel with a beautiful companionand you may ask yourself, "well, how did i get here?"

and, as plan b said, "who knows what sick things will go in there"

Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: D.L.Orean on December 10, 2021, 07:51:09 am
yeah dude better stay off tinder or else you might find yourself in a beautiful motel with a beautiful companionand you may ask yourself, "well, how did i get here?"

and, as plan b said, "who knows what sick things will go in there"

and you may tell yourself, "this is not my beautiful motel" 
and you may tell yourself, "this is not my beautiful companion"
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: L I on December 10, 2021, 07:53:09 am
Look at the stat at the beginning of this video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ilG3_nWlU3I

Women swipe left on 95% of guys.

Because they have endless options on there, they are extremely selective.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: tylerthegloob on December 10, 2021, 07:56:18 am
and you may tell yourself, "this is not my beautiful motel" 
and you may tell yourself, "this is not my beautiful companion"

dude is down bad
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 10, 2021, 07:57:31 am
When I first arrived in Korea in September 2005, the Principal of the school I worked at told me upon meeting me the very first day that Korean women were not to be dated.

Closest I came to that was having this racist old principal who actually spoke English.  She was right around the retirement age from what I could tell.  One female subject middle school teacher sat across from me in the cafeteria and the principal made her change seats right in front of me and gave me disapproving looks.  I was so pissed off, I pushed my dinner tray down hard on the table and got up and walked away.  I remembered before that I even tried to speak to her in Korean a couple of times at which point she snapped at me to speak English.  (I mean how dare a foreigner try to speak her language and pollute it.)  Anyways, I think I gave her scowling looks the rest of the semester.  Thankfully, the teachers there themselves actually liked me and my renewal papers were already signed.  Memories of the bigotry here.  (Also memories of K chicks with weird ass behaviors too.)

At that time, the education office changed our schools every semester and it was towards the end of the semester.  So, I didn't push it much further.  (I was tempted to go complain about her racist attitude towards me and stir it up.)  This was years ago.  If it had of kept up, I wouldn't still be here now.  Prior to this, when I lived in the country, the schools sent me home early.  So, I never had to deal with it.  It's funny though, my schools got pretty decent soon after this. 
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: L I on December 10, 2021, 08:01:24 am
Making matters worse, there are way more men than women there.

https://www.netimperative.com/2019/04/05/online-dating-trends-men-outnumber-women-on-tinder-by-9-to-1-while-grinder-wins-for-age-diversity/amp/

Apps where men don’t hugely outnumber women are Instagram and TikTok.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: tylerthegloob on December 10, 2021, 08:04:08 am
One female subject middle school teacher sat across from me in the cafeteria and the principal made her change seats right in front of me and gave me disapproving looks.

i had kind of the opposite happen. i sat next to the counseling teacher at a 회식 and the vice principal sitting next to me said "she's the prettiest teacher in our school. and she's single" which was super weird and creepy but uhhhh better than "you get away from her, reeee!!" ...maybe? maybe not... it was suuuuuper creepy
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 10, 2021, 08:31:18 am
Look at the stat at the beginning of this video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ilG3_nWlU3I

Women swipe left on 95% of guys.

Because they have endless options on there, they are extremely selective.

Dating sites in general are not useful unless you live in a big city or are going there all the time.  But tinder is whack ass.  I attract women in person here and in the west.  I even attracted them on date sites, but here (well Korea and Japan anyways) silence mostly.  When I first got here years ago, I meant.  Tried the online dating (UB Love).  Though I honestly didn't feel like trekking to Seoul every weekend anyways.  Seems many women I dated back then had lots of annoying cultural behaviors.   (Most of the dating was in person and not online.  Online didn't really work here.)  I find many local women nowadays to be more western minded in many ways.   

I tried Tinder during covid.  That was mostly a waste of time.  Korean and Japanese women take on some weird biatchy persona online.  Got lots of interest from the other Asian countries (including the rich ones and girls with good jobs so not just poor girls wanting a rich country guy).  I attract women in person.  So, anyhow, don't take it personally.  Try Ok Cupid or any other if you are going that route. 
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 10, 2021, 08:33:21 am
i had kind of the opposite happen. i sat next to the counseling teacher at a 회식 and the vice principal sitting next to me said "she's the prettiest teacher in our school. and she's single" which was super weird and creepy but uhhhh better than "you get away from her, reeee!!" ...maybe? maybe not... it was suuuuuper creepy

In the years since, I have had some hinting like that too.  Similar set up situations.  Though I wasn't attracted to them. 

If she was quite pretty, you should have gone for it.  (If she wasn't and the principal thought she was.  Well, that's different.) 
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: D.L.Orean on December 10, 2021, 08:41:33 am
I tried Tinder during covid.  That was mostly a waste of time.  Korean and Japanese women take on some weird biatchy persona online.  Got lots of interest from the other Asian countries (including the rich ones and girls with good jobs so not just poor girls wanting a rich country guy).  I attract women in person.  So, anyhow, don't take it personally.  Try Ok Cupid or any other if you are going that route.

You need to put that in your Tinder profile. "I'm better in person. I promise"
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 10, 2021, 08:48:54 am
You need to put that in your Tinder profile. "I'm better in person. I promise"

If I ever make another Tinder maybe I should.  Weird, anyways.  I dropped it once the 6 month membership expired. 
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: T_Rex on December 10, 2021, 08:57:29 am
Look at the stat at the beginning of this video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ilG3_nWlU3I

Women swipe left on 95% of guys.

Because they have endless options on there, they are extremely selective.
Women are more picky. At least 80% of men are rated below-average looking by women.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dp76ujlVAAAFDt6?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: VanIslander on December 10, 2021, 09:16:07 am
"I'd tap that."

Men have lower standards.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: CO2 on December 10, 2021, 09:18:43 am
"I'd tap that."

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/VNia55jlaNAvOMigCGNbfOoR4YYOM6DHnJUw_8GLgGNy7sFXI9NsxL4grg6k_dQudVjL3LHoTIlPkVHVdgJT4lUgSsZTPwIH4ITaxzAwCsfW9SW9L-T0m6C9-kQE5pe8jA)
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: 745sticky on December 10, 2021, 09:21:01 am

whyd the picture change :shocked:
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: CO2 on December 10, 2021, 09:26:36 am
whyd the picture change :shocked:

You caught that? haha The picture, at present, is way better. More lively.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 10, 2021, 09:51:03 am
Women are more picky. At least 80% of men are rated below-average looking by women.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dp76ujlVAAAFDt6?format=jpg&name=small)

I was going to say ok cupid was better.  But maybe not.  Ha ha.  Men get a bad rap for being shallow but it looks like women are too and more.  (Of course I could have told anyone that years ago.)
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: L I on December 10, 2021, 09:58:36 am
Meeting people in real life is better. Why? Online women are showered with attention, making them more stuck up and entitled. There’s also a high chance of them looking worse than their pictures because of angles, filters, and old photos.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 10, 2021, 10:04:00 am
Meeting people in real life is better. Why? Online women are showered with attention, making them more stuck up and entitled. There’s also a high chance of them looking worse than their pictures because of angles, filters, and old photos.

I think you hit the nail on the head. 
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: tylerthegloob on December 10, 2021, 10:08:57 am
are the online women not the same as the ones in real life? i think most people are 'online' to some degree these days. i mean i agree that meeting people out in the world is better, but not because it's a different group of people
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: L I on December 10, 2021, 10:17:22 am
How many women have never been on a dating app and thus haven’t had their ego boosted to the sky? A lot, hopefully. At least a sizable amount… hopefully. I heard from multiple sources about women going to Tinder just to get the attention with no intention of ever meeting anyone. Like, wtf. You just want to hear you’re beautiful? What’s the point of that?

What percentage of women haven’t been on TikTok or Instagram - a place where they get admiration from both men and women… It’s shrinking… but still sizable… maybe?
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: 745sticky on December 10, 2021, 10:21:58 am
are the online women not the same as the ones in real life? i think most people are 'online' to some degree these days. i mean i agree that meeting people out in the world is better, but not because it's a different group of people

i mean theres a distinction between "online regular" internet user and terminally online tiktok/insta kid. of course this is only accelerated due to covid but i know people whose entire life basically takes place on social media/discord/etc. for better or worse its easier than ever to farm attention without even needing to leave the house

id assume that sort of behavior isnt as prevalent on dating apps but i'm sure there are some users who just use tinder and the like to funnel people towards their various social media accounts
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Chinguetti on December 10, 2021, 11:02:14 am
You guys, c'mon. It didn't take much for some of you to start taking things down a super judgmental and misogynistic path.

First, men don't put as much care into the way they look as women do. So of course perceptions between the two groups is going to be different. A lot of men would experience a 2-3 level jump up in attractiveness if they'd just learn how to ****** dress themselves and style their hair in a way that's actually flattering to their face.

Second, while it might be a thing for women to rate men lower on average, that does NOT mean that they don't give them a chance. Look at all of the ugly men dating or married to attractive women, lol. How often do you see this the other way around? Women are far more likely to overlook physical flaws than men are, and are also more likely to find someone more attractive when that person exudes other positive qualities (good sense of humor, empathy, emotional intelligence, confidence with humility, etc.).

Third, it's really, really clear that you guys absolutely do not have close gal pals. If you did, you'd know what a shitshow dating (especially online dating) is for women and how often they get guys who swipe on them just to tell them how ugly and unattractive they are, or how ****** creepy and entitled so many of them are right off the bat. I had a guy who cursed me out and kept telling me how much of a whore I was just because I wouldn't tell him where I lived. That was day 1 on Tinder. I gave up after day 3. And do you really think that all of things you're criticizing about women on dating apps is exclusive to women? Filters, ego-boosting, catfishes, stuck up attitudes? It's hell just trying to find someone who's legitimately single and not trying to cheat on his girlfriend or wife.

Don't forget that women are people, too. Dating is not any more easy for us as it is for you. It's hard for everyone.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: D.L.Orean on December 10, 2021, 11:58:42 am
We need a hangook and LI dating advice thread. Maybe they can chronicle some of their experiences and let the singles learn from their mistakes.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: D.L.Orean on December 10, 2021, 12:02:13 pm
Meet people in person rather than via Tinder is our advice. Which is sound. Anyone disagree?

What are your experiences of online/apps vs in person?
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: 745sticky on December 10, 2021, 12:08:59 pm
what if you meet someone online and then meet them in person
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: tylerthegloob on December 10, 2021, 12:11:27 pm
what if you meet someone in person and then online
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: 745sticky on December 10, 2021, 12:13:38 pm
what if you meet someone in person and then online

oh so you mean like when we hit it off but then she finds my esoteric twitter shitpost account?
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: tylerthegloob on December 10, 2021, 12:26:43 pm
link me, dude

i met someone in real life and then matched with them on tinder as i was on the plane to leave - @GloobsWhoAreDownBad
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Chinguetti on December 10, 2021, 12:28:11 pm
what if you meet someone online and then meet them in person

I know you're being facetious but for the sake of certain others:

Yeah, people connect online, then if they feel like there's enough chemistry between them they meet up in real life. That's the point of dating apps. With that being said, though, my brother met up with his best gaming pal last year, lol. He's been playing with this guy for something like 5 years, and after spending a week together irl he's apparently now going to be attending the guy's wedding next year, haha.

Anyway, people use dating apps to expand their dating pools. That's especially necessary for certain groups of people who live in places where that dating pool is a lot smaller. Imagine living in a town where you're the only foreigner, and the only people who approach you either want sex or free English lessons and they absolutely do not see you as a serious dating option. One of my friends lives out in the boonies where the population is mostly people in their 60s or older, lol. Dating apps is how she expands her horizons and finds potential matches that wouldn't otherwise exist for her.

what if you meet someone in person and then online

Like finding their instagrams or FB accounts, then spam liking all of their pictures?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 10, 2021, 12:53:35 pm
This post is a goldmine
Dating sites in general are not useful unless you live in a big city or are going there all the time.  But tinder is whack ass. (I got no action on tinder, it's their fault) I attract women in person here and in the west. (Weird phrasing that also shows lack of action)  I even attracted them on date sites, (again notice the lack of action- i.e. 'attracted', not 'dated' or 'hooked up with' but here (well Korea and Japan anyways) silence mostly.  When I first got here years ago, I meant.  Tried the online dating (UB Love).  Though I honestly didn't feel like trekking to Seoul every weekend anyways. (Rationalizing Failure) Seems many women I dated back then had lots of annoying cultural behaviors. (Again, blaming the women and not himself)  (Most of the dating was in person and not online.  Online didn't really work here.)  I find many local women nowadays to be more western minded in many ways.   (Again, lashes out with subtle dig at women who rejected him), comparing "local" to "Seoul")

I tried Tinder during covid.  That was mostly a waste of time.  Korean and Japanese women take on some weird biatchy persona online. (Again, lashes out in rejection, blames others) Got lots of interest from the other Asian countries (including the rich ones and girls with good jobs so not just poor girls wanting a rich country guy). (Notice how he phrases it "Asian Countries" and not "Women from X", somehow in his mind, the COUNTRY is attracted to him)  I attract women in person. (Again, the passive, no action portrayal of his romantic life) So, anyhow, don't take it personally.  (Clearly takes it personally)Try Ok Cupid or any other if you are going that route.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: UriNara on December 11, 2021, 12:58:48 pm
Korean women are not poor anymore. Losers back home can not get them anymore.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: CO2 on December 11, 2021, 03:43:14 pm
Korean women are not poor anymore. Losers back home can not get them anymore.

Man, you seem wise and really cool.

Wish I could buy you a beer.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: VanIslander on December 11, 2021, 04:55:12 pm
Man, you seem wise and really cool.

Wish I could buy you a beer.
Hook up guys. Become besties or just share a night of boozin'.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Liechtenstein on December 11, 2021, 06:59:25 pm
You guys, c'mon. It didn't take much for some of you to start taking things down a super judgmental and misogynistic path.

First, men don't put as much care into the way they look as women do. So of course perceptions between the two groups is going to be different. A lot of men would experience a 2-3 level jump up in attractiveness if they'd just learn how to ****** dress themselves and style their hair in a way that's actually flattering to their face.

Second, while it might be a thing for women to rate men lower on average, that does NOT mean that they don't give them a chance. Look at all of the ugly men dating or married to attractive women, lol. How often do you see this the other way around? Women are far more likely to overlook physical flaws than men are, and are also more likely to find someone more attractive when that person exudes other positive qualities (good sense of humor, empathy, emotional intelligence, confidence with humility, etc.).

Third, it's really, really clear that you guys absolutely do not have close gal pals. If you did, you'd know what a shitshow dating (especially online dating) is for women and how often they get guys who swipe on them just to tell them how ugly and unattractive they are, or how ****** creepy and entitled so many of them are right off the bat. I had a guy who cursed me out and kept telling me how much of a whore I was just because I wouldn't tell him where I lived. That was day 1 on Tinder. I gave up after day 3. And do you really think that all of things you're criticizing about women on dating apps is exclusive to women? Filters, ego-boosting, catfishes, stuck up attitudes? It's hell just trying to find someone who's legitimately single and not trying to cheat on his girlfriend or wife.

Don't forget that women are people, too. Dating is not any more easy for us as it is for you. It's hard for everyone.

Ugly men dating beautiful women = men have money

You don't see it the other way around because of a lack of money.

Women are the shallow ones.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: VanIslander on December 11, 2021, 07:11:11 pm
Ugly men dating beautiful women = men have money

You don't see it the other way around because of a lack of money.

Women are the shallow ones.
Listen to yourself.

Women can get money by putting a small body part inside for 60-360 seconds, usually barriered by a prophylactic.

Be jealous about a Saran-wrapped pinky finger put into your gal's ear?

Men are MOST willing to have sex for money. Men aren't in the shallow end, they are on the beach begging to get into the water.

The power isn't with the money but with what you would pay for it.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: WhenInRome... on December 11, 2021, 11:18:41 pm
I moved to Pakistan to have sex with Pakistanis.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Chinguetti on December 12, 2021, 02:49:00 am
Original post was deleted by someone who seems to think that failed relationships are a flex and who probably also fails to see the irony of what he said and did when considering what my post was about, and I'm not going to retype everything over an unchecked bias. I'm also not going to quote a troll just to avoid someone's misaligned ego.

So I'll just say that it's really not surprising where some of the comments are coming from. The cringe is hard not to respond to, but it's not my problem, so I'm going to let them crucify themselves to their L's.

If you want to be mad, then just be mad.  :undecided:
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Kyndo on December 13, 2021, 07:04:12 am
 :huh:
This thread = ooph.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 13, 2021, 08:30:17 am
We need a hangook and LI dating advice thread. Maybe they can chronicle some of their experiences and let the singles learn from their mistakes.

That shit ain't free, punk. 

But I will tell you I had a brief period of weight gain in my college days (in my 20's) and maybe a year or so after that.  Less women intersted.  I lost the weight and slimmed down quickly, a whole hell of a lot more interested.  So, anyone who says women aren't shallow too are deluding themselves.  Of course some women will date unattractive men for some qualities and such.  (I could still date some being quite overweight for a season.)  You do see a lot more attractive women over here with unattractive men in East Asia than you do back home.  Gold digging and money loving was definately much more over here traditionally.  I think that dynamic is changing here in recent years with younger folks.  Still, it's a crazy messed up world. 
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: jamsilnaynay on December 29, 2021, 08:55:23 pm
At this point seems like Korea attracts way more foreign women than it does foreign dudes. Most interracial couples that I know are Foreign G - Korean M.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: HiddenInKorea on December 29, 2021, 09:02:38 pm
At this point seems like Korea attracts way more foreign women than it does foreign dudes. Most interracial couples that I know are Foreign G - Korean M.

I think so too.
I am a foreign girl married to a Korean man!
Also, I know a few other foreign women who recently got married to their Korean boyfriends!
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: catbird on December 30, 2021, 07:11:34 pm
At this point seems like Korea attracts way more foreign women than it does foreign dudes. Most interracial couples that I know are Foreign G - Korean M.

Males have made up around 60% of foreigners in South Korea for the past decade: https://www.statista.com/statistics/618767/south-korea-registered-foreigners-number/

That being said, males are just 29% of foreign spouses: https://www.statista.com/statistics/647754/south-korea-number-international-marriages-type/

Anecdotally, seven of my students have Vietnamese mothers and five have Filipina mothers.  I don't know of any students having a foreign father, though one of the teachers is married to a Canadian. 
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Mr C on December 30, 2021, 10:12:32 pm
At this point seems like Korea attracts way more foreign women than it does foreign dudes. Most interracial couples that I know are Foreign G - Korean M.

But that's what anecdotal evidence gets us.  I know well 6 foreign women, one of whom has a Korean mate, 2 with their foreign husbands, and 10 foreign men (again, friends) 5 with a Korean spouse, 2 divorced from a Korean spouse, and one with an illegal Filipina gf/"living in sin" as my dad would say.  ...
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 31, 2021, 12:28:06 pm
I think that there is going to be differences in anecdotal experiences by age and also the nature of the relationship. Older expats are more likely to have their friend circle consist of Foreign Male-Korean Female couples. Younger circles are probably more evenly distributed.

Also, and this is anecdotal, Foreign Male-Korean Female couples generally hang out in a circle of foreigners. Quite a few of the Foreign Female-Korean Male couples the circle of friends for the woman is predominantly Korean, unless their spouse predominantly hangs out with foreigners as well.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: hangook77 on December 31, 2021, 01:07:58 pm
But that's what anecdotal evidence gets us.  I know well 6 foreign women, one of whom has a Korean mate, 2 with their foreign husbands, and 10 foreign men (again, friends) 5 with a Korean spouse, 2 divorced from a Korean spouse, and one with an illegal Filipina gf/"living in sin" as my dad would say.  ...

Well, that is changing in the last 5 years or so.  Average women of average attractiveness being desired for having blond hair or something else.  Happened to foreign guys 15 or more years ago.  Though past generations of Korean women were also more likely to see won or dollar signs in their eyes and want a guy who could earn money or the best they could get.  So, when 2 million won was a good salary compared to some local especially outside of Seoul, some k chicks would iine up.  Now the salary sucks and those really hot ones won't flock to you for 2 million won though a few may due to some strong attraction.  (Of course some of the hottest ones were working part time or full time as hookers back then for cash too.)  Nowadays, I do see some foreign chicks doing the same in reverse.  They want to marry some rich oppa or one with a good job (in spite of the feminist independent woman lie) and live an imaginary life like on a K drama.  Though I'd still reckon it is a tiny minority of western women and usually less attractive ones (sorry to say that). 

Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 31, 2021, 02:09:27 pm
Well, that is changing in the last 5 years or so.  Average women of average attractiveness being desired for having blond hair or something else.  Happened to foreign guys 15 or more years ago.  Though past generations of Korean women were also more likely to see won or dollar signs in their eyes and want a guy who could earn money or the best they could get.  So, when 2 million won was a good salary compared to some local especially outside of Seoul, some k chicks would iine up.  Now the salary sucks and those really hot ones won't flock to you for 2 million won though a few may due to some strong attraction.  (Of course some of the hottest ones were working part time or full time as hookers back then for cash too.)  Nowadays, I do see some foreign chicks doing the same in reverse.  They want to marry some rich oppa or one with a good job (in spite of the feminist independent woman lie) and live an imaginary life like on a K drama.  Though I'd still reckon it is a tiny minority of western women and usually less attractive ones (sorry to say that). 


Wow, with views like this, it's no wonder the women of Starbucks are falling head over heels. Of course, hangook77 has his finger on the pulse of the young singles scene in Seoul, living in his medium-sized town in whatever province.

Also, hangook77 sounds like he's about one step away from founding AKS.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: gogators! on December 31, 2021, 11:50:39 pm
Marrying a Korean is significantly different from just going to Korea to have sex. Or maybe a lot of people are unaware of the Bukowski rule regarding sexual encounters.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: Sagi Keun on January 09, 2022, 06:35:38 pm
I also keep seeing foreigners in general and English teachers in particular, especially teachers on the E-2 visa, accused of this on various internet forums


Korean men are about the most possessive and insecure people I've ever met, and they are constantly trying to rig the game in their favor by bad-mouthing the competition. Sadly, the national media is also run by the ajosshi brotherhood with their code of attacking foreigners.

Korean men are the ones paying for sex at barber shops all the time, not to mention all the rapes and sexual violence they subject "their' women to. yet somehow foreign men are always portrayed as the greatest threat to the flower of Korean womanhood. They love projecting their own worst excesses onto foreigners. Sadly, many Korean women believe their propaganda.

Korea has a looooooong history of anti-foreignerism.  On the surface you may not notice it at first but if you want to find out the reality, just walk down the street with your Korean girlfriend and watch the reaction.
Title: Re: Accused of moving here to have sex with Koreans?
Post by: T_Rex on January 10, 2022, 01:02:57 am

Korean men are about the most possessive and insecure people I've ever met, and they are constantly trying to rig the game in their favor by bad-mouthing the competition. Sadly, the national media is also run by the ajosshi brotherhood with their code of attacking foreigners.

Korean men are the ones paying for sex at barber shops all the time, not to mention all the rapes and sexual violence they subject "their' women to. yet somehow foreign men are always portrayed as the greatest threat to the flower of Korean womanhood. They love projecting their own worst excesses onto foreigners. Sadly, many Korean women believe their propaganda.

Korea has a looooooong history of anti-foreignerism.  On the surface you may not notice it at first but if you want to find out the reality, just walk down the street with your Korean girlfriend and watch the reaction.
Sounds like a post from the 1990's. Back then schoolchildren were still being taught to be proud of their racial purity. Eventually, the UN took notice and called out Korea on its public school cirriculum. Part of Park Chung-hee's strategy to rebuild and unify the nation after the war was to teach Koreans to be racist. But I was under the impression that things had improved somewhat during the past few decades.