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Title: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Aristocrat on October 07, 2021, 12:44:00 pm
My vote has to go to 'Ethics in Education'

Unless you've grown up in North Sentinel Island, where you've had no contact with civilisation, all mentally sound adults are going to have an understanding of what is morally right and wrong. Yes, morals and ethics vary somewhat between cultures, but being raised in a certain environment teaches you these morals and ethics.

Ethics in Education is basically studying the theories of a bunch of tenured assholes who need to invent problems and solutions so they can justify why they still need an office.

It's a module for people who incapable of making decisions, leading or thinking for themselves.

It is completely useless in the classroom.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on October 07, 2021, 12:46:37 pm
Philosophy of Education......ughh hh.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: tylerthegloob on October 07, 2021, 01:03:13 pm
i took some computer class to fulfill a gen ed requirement. goddamn it was useless. i can't remember a single thing from that class. on the other hand, i took a public speaking class to fulfill a different requirement and that class was great
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Aristocrat on October 07, 2021, 01:05:17 pm
Philosophy of Education......ughh hh.

So glad I finished that crap.
To be fair, I did find it somewhat useful as it included elements of psychology (different approaches to get someone to learn something).

It becomes completely pointless and ridiculous when it starts teaching about "diversity" and "inclusivity" in that insufferable woke rhetoric most of us detest. 
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on October 07, 2021, 01:10:20 pm
Higher education in the non-STEM/ fields (and business fields to some extent), as it is presently implemented, is woefully inefficient to the point of possibly being a net-negative. The entire concept is barely in the 20th century in large parts, and in many ways still stuck in the 19th.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Kyndo on October 07, 2021, 01:10:46 pm
...all mentally sound adults are going to have an understanding of what is morally right and wrong.
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Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: hangook77 on October 07, 2021, 01:23:55 pm
i took some computer class to fulfill a gen ed requirement. goddamn it was useless. i can't remember a single thing from that class. on the other hand, i took a public speaking class to fulfill a different requirement and that class was great

Like 15 years ago I had to take a computer class too.  Business and computers or something like that.  An into course for 3 credit hours.  How to use Power Point, Microsoft Word, both of which I already knew tinkering around on my own.  Excel, I took in a finance course already and already sort of knew, and then Microsoft Access which I already forgot how to use.  Maybe a brief intro of hardware and software, what's the difference?  Basic make up of a computer and it's history?  I wouldn't have thought they'd still teach basics of computers now though since so many grew up with them.  (We didn't have smart phones then.)  When I was a kid, computer was slow dial up with low graphics, but got my tunes off Napster. 

Anyhew, PPT, Word, and Excel, I still remember.  Access is history.  Using a couple of other things I can still do.  Some funky key commands like shift tab to go back, etc.  Some F commands.  But I assume now there's some coding and basic programming language thrown in?  Make a website or a software program or something?  Learn some of those old DOS commands?  (I actually did try out someone's old 80's computer in the 90's for kicks.  It was odd.) 
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: hangook77 on October 07, 2021, 01:26:58 pm
My vote has to go to 'Ethics in Education'

Unless you've grown up in North Sentinel Island, where you've had no contact with civilisation, all mentally sound adults are going to have an understanding of what is morally right and wrong. Yes, morals and ethics vary somewhat between cultures, but being raised in a certain environment teaches you these morals and ethics.

Ethics in Education is basically studying the theories of a bunch of tenured assholes who need to invent problems and solutions so they can justify why they still need an office.

It's a module for people who incapable of making decisions, leading or thinking for themselves.

It is completely useless in the classroom.

Most universities have theri own courses.  Mine liked to double up.  So for philiosphy majors they had an ethics course.  They sent business, religious studies etc over to their department to take it.  So, the prof had to talk a bit about everything.  I argued with him a bit as his Marxist leanings weren't my cup of tea.  Though he could be funny sometimes and we actually liked each other.  (Him liking me for not being another suck up, I think.)  Anyways, I don't think I learned too much from it.  Waste of space.  I wish university had more skills training thrown into it.  It should now to help grads actually get jobs. 
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: tylerthegloob on October 07, 2021, 01:28:26 pm
yeah there was nothing about word or powerpoint but some excel/access stuff (still no idea what access is for). i think there was a unit where we made basic autohotkey scripts, but who knows. we learned some history stuff too. everyone in that class was checked out
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Aristocrat on October 07, 2021, 01:29:21 pm
Higher education in the non-STEM/ fields (and business fields to some extent), as it is presently implemented, is woefully inefficient to the point of possibly being a net-negative. The entire concept is barely in the 20th century in large parts, and in many ways still stuck in the 19th.

This has been one of the hardest pills to swallow as an adult.

As I look back on 2yrs of this PGCE, I've picked up some incredibly valuable pedagogical knowledge and skills. The problem is that it's mixed in with BS. If we remove subject specialisations then, Classroom Management will be the most valuable and useful module to study, it's infinitely more important and useful than Ethics in Education however, Classroom Management is allotted the same amount of time as something as useless as Ethics.

I Fully understand Nel Noddings 'Ethics of Care', a pedagogical approach that no public school teacher in their right mind would use, but haven't fully covered the dynamics of classroom discipline and layout because one semester was all this invaluable module was allotted.
 
My sister is 15 and a near prodigy at maths and science. Every opportunity I get I tell her to not even consider anything outside the S.T.E.M. fields and to pursue a career path that is highly marketable in developed countries.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: hangook77 on October 07, 2021, 01:36:45 pm
yeah there was nothing about word or powerpoint but some excel/access stuff (still no idea what access is for). i think there was a unit where we made basic autohotkey scripts, but who knows. we learned some history stuff too. everyone in that class was checked out

I did get 3 credit hours for it though but waited until my final year to take it.  Was an intro business course.  Access something to do with scheduling appointments and time or something like that.  I'd have to watch a YouTube vid on it but I don't need it now.  Many companies will use their own or other software anyways.  Excel will be most useful for the job market, but google and youtube will have info on how to set up tables and calculations etc.  Mostly slept in it too.  Ha ha. 

I am guessing now more people know about Word and PowerPoint so they skipped teaching it....
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: hangook77 on October 07, 2021, 01:39:35 pm
This has been one of the hardest pills to swallow as an adult.

As I look back on 2yrs of this PGCE, I've picked up some incredibly valuable pedagogical knowledge and skills. The problem is that it's mixed in with BS. If we remove subject specialisations then, Classroom Management will be the most valuable and useful module to study, it's infinitely more important and useful than Ethics in Education however, Classroom Management is allotted the same amount of time as something as useless as Ethics.

I Fully understand Nel Noddings 'Ethics of Care', a pedagogical approach that no public school teacher in their right mind would use, but haven't fully covered the dynamics of classroom discipline and layout because one semester was all this invaluable module was allotted.
 
My sister is 15 and a near prodigy at maths and science. Every opportunity I get I tell her to not even consider anything outside the S.T.E.M. fields and to pursue a career path that is highly marketable in developed countries.

Nowadays, unless you have some special skill, expect to be treated like crap in today's market.  All the former good paying industrial jobs were sent overseas and replaced by low paying service jobs.  But if you are in IT, or Finance, or something get well treated, pampered, and well paid by companies.  Otherwise get condescending low pay treatment.  You will just be a number. 
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: tylerthegloob on October 07, 2021, 01:40:07 pm
tbh i think even STEM is too broad... its really like sTEm (emphasis on technology/engineering if that wasn't clear). i have a friend who studied math and he said without any other qualification/degree (ex. a minor in finance), employers weren't that interested. similar story for my friend who studied biology (but she ended up going to grad school and getting a job in a lab).

my friends who studied computer science or engineering on the other hand... god damn! $_$
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: SPQR on October 07, 2021, 01:50:49 pm
What's a module?  I had courses.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: hangook77 on October 07, 2021, 01:51:42 pm
tbh i think even STEM is too broad... its really like sTEm (emphasis on technology/engineering if that wasn't clear). i have a friend who studied math and he said without any other qualification/degree (ex. a minor in finance), employers weren't that interested. similar story for my friend who studied biology (but she ended up going to grad school and getting a job in a lab).

my friends who studied computer science or engineering on the other hand... god damn! $_$

Companies use to take a grad and train them in more detail themselves.  But now so many go to school and there are so many grads companies can be picky and obnoxious.  As for university, they need more full time tutors.  Often the way they teach math, science, computers is too academic with lectures and not enough hands on experience and elarning by doing.  Students often don't get it and flunk out or switch to arts as a result.  On the other hand if some of these courses were classes all day like some colleges with ltos of practice and lots of exercises and tasks done in class, more students would know the material and be better at also test better.  They would be more marketable in the job market.  But most unviersities want to get more money and fat paychecks in exchange for doing very little work (IE very few office hours, not wanting to change things from old outdated 19th century ways, etc). 

University system needs a scalpel put to it and to be radically overhauled to get kids jobs and make them employable.  Even the arts kids should have to take a few practical courses.  But often institutions are resistant to change.  They are not resistant to hiking tuition to build new fancy walkways, hike thier pay, give themselves more perks, and let the kids be thousands of dollars in debt to pay for their do nothing lavish lifestyles.  Before demanding free or cost reduced university from the government, first demand the schools do a radical overhaul and reform first. 

Some debt would be tolerable if you actually got a good job with decent pay.  It's when you don't get that and have a high debt that it's a kick in the teeth.  Of course, in the 80s and 90s some folks went to Japan and made good money to repay that debt and in the 90's and 2000's folks came to South Korea to repay that debt.  (Nowdays, where would they go?  China or elsewhere?)  There were extreme options like going overseas in other words.  But it was often uncertain and not many did it. 

Debts are higher than ever way above inflation due to greedy teach nothing universities charging an arm and a leg and not even reforming what or how they teach.  (More in class all day and tutors with frequent office hours would be a good start plus teach the latest software that companies actually use.) 
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Kayos on October 07, 2021, 02:08:59 pm
I done a computing degree, and there was a class in my first year, it was some kinda like, psyche class or something.
The professor was some tenured lady, who didn't even seem like she was interested in what she was teaching. None of the higher classes needed that, majority of the class was confused all semester too lol.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: 745sticky on October 07, 2021, 02:38:24 pm
My vote has to go to 'Ethics in Education'

think i might be able to one-up you on that one, i took a course called "tumblr and the SJWs" 
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: tylerthegloob on October 07, 2021, 02:42:52 pm
think i might be able to one-up you on that one, i took a course called "tumblr and the SJWs" 

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Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Aristocrat on October 07, 2021, 02:55:21 pm
What's a module?  I had courses.

Modules are the individual units of courses, certificates, diplomas or degrees.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Kurt Sorensen on October 07, 2021, 03:17:30 pm
Rewriting a large part of the 'Treaty of Waitangi' word for word. What a complete waste of time when just reading it would  have done. I guess the lecturer thought more would sink in. A useless module, although the rest was interesting.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: MayorHaggar on October 07, 2021, 03:26:06 pm
What's a module?  I had courses.

South African: "what module deed yow dow?"

New Zealander: "I took some pretty tough papers in university."

American: "you stole papers? Whaddaya mean they were tough, like chewing gum? At cawlidge I took a lot of classes."

Brit: "What did you read at university?"

American: "Books mostly! Duh!"

Koreans: "are you guys sure you're speaking the same language?"
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Mr C on October 07, 2021, 04:47:55 pm
South African: "what module deed yow dow?"

New Zealander: "I took some pretty tough papers in university."

American: "you stole papers? Whaddaya mean they were tough, like chewing gum? At cawlidge I took a lot of classes."

Brit: "What did you read at university?"

American: "Books mostly! Duh!"

Koreans: "are you guys sure you're speaking the same language?"
+1
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Kurt Sorensen on October 07, 2021, 04:57:13 pm
South African: "what module deed yow dow?"

New Zealander: "I took some pretty tough papers in university."

American: "you stole papers? Whaddaya mean they were tough, like chewing gum? At cawlidge I took a lot of classes."

Brit: "What did you read at university?"

American: "Books mostly! Duh!"

Koreans: "are you guys sure you're speaking the same language?"

So Good! Got it after the second read.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: CO2 on October 07, 2021, 05:34:57 pm
I'm MORE confused having read this thread.

Like one 3 hour class' subject?
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on October 07, 2021, 05:38:32 pm
This was a Mayor Haggar gem.

I'll say this, when it comes to the various idiosyncrasies between ESLer nations, Mayor Haggar is usually pretty sharp.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: KoreaBoo on October 08, 2021, 12:39:11 am
Anything related to CRT.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: gogators! on October 08, 2021, 03:46:44 am
Cybernetics.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: SPQR on October 08, 2021, 06:48:44 am

 "Books mostly! Duh!"


As I recall this was was of the biggest scams of uni.  Publishers
coming out with new versions of text books every year so that
they could not be resold to new students. It used to cost me
at least 500 clams a year on books.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: grimlock2 on October 08, 2021, 07:28:38 am
As I recall this was was of the biggest scams of uni.  Publishers
coming out with new versions of text books every year so that
they could not be resold to new students. It used to cost me
at least 500 clams a year on books.

Is that an American thing? I didn't buy any new books at uni and only about 5 or 6 second hand.

 I was talking about second hand books recently with my students and the general consensus seemed to be they wouldn't buy them because they were 'dirty'. Never come across that one before. I mean i get it re clothes but books?
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: SPQR on October 08, 2021, 07:43:56 am

Is that an American thing? I didn't buy any new books at uni and only about 5 or 6 second hand.

 I was talking about second hand books recently with my students and the general consensus seemed to be they wouldn't buy them because they were 'dirty'. Never come across that one before. I mean i get it re clothes but books?


What's an American thing? Books at uni? I don't understand your question.

I had to buy this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Physics-Scientists-Engineers-Raymond-Serway/dp/1133947271

It is now almost 200 bucks.

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Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: grimlock2 on October 08, 2021, 07:49:36 am
I meant telling students they have to buy certain books new. I guess it depends on the subject. I can see why engineering might have a rigid set text.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: pkjh on October 08, 2021, 07:56:26 am
I remember paying up to $100, but it was a long time ago.

Anyways, it's a Canadian thing too. I was an engineering/science major, but It wasn't mandatory to buy them, and there is a pretty good 2nd hand market. I had a few friends that just borrowed our books to photo-copy the assignments. A few guys from Hong Kong would get the exact same books, from in Hong Kong, for fractions of the price. Outside of safety equipment for labs, nothing was mandatory when I was in university.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on October 08, 2021, 07:56:33 am
Actually I changed my mind, History of Education was the most useless and boring and Philosophy of Education came a close second.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: SPQR on October 08, 2021, 08:04:39 am
I remember paying up to $100, but it was a long time ago.

Anyways, it's a Canadian thing too. I was an engineering/science major, but It wasn't mandatory to buy them, and there is a pretty good 2nd hand market. I had a few friends that just borrowed our books to photo-copy the assignments. A few guys from Hong Kong would get the exact same books, from in Hong Kong, for fractions of the price. Outside of safety equipment for labs, nothing was mandatory when I was in university.

I went to UVIC. I remember the library would get the new books in. They
would then be instantly  signed out for the full year. The people who signed
them out would be fined about $15 in late fees. haha
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Kwai_Chang_Kain on October 08, 2021, 08:20:54 am
It becomes completely pointless and ridiculous when it starts teaching about "diversity" and "inclusivity" in that insufferable woke rhetoric most of us detest. 

My seminar in applied linguistics class had a heavy emphasis on that crap. Even worse was during the class discussions a couple of my classmates felt the need to bring up #45 and how bad he was and this was barely 3 months ago, well out of his presidency. Ugh.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: hangook77 on October 08, 2021, 08:37:21 am
My seminar in applied linguistics class had a heavy emphasis on that crap. Even worse was during the class discussions a couple of my classmates felt the need to bring up #45 and how bad he was and this was barely 3 months ago, well out of his presidency. Ugh.

So glad I don't have to deal with today's uni environment.  I assume the profs would fail me for bias?  I did get some slight mark down in a couple of courses for not towing the leftist line in a couple of intro sociology electives.  But not too bad.  Still came out both semesters with a B.  Though may have been a B plus or A minus if I hadn't of challenged some things?  The markdown today? 

Me:  "There are only 2 genders". 

Prof: "There are 69 million genders.  You get an F."

Me:  "F you A-hole!"

Later, me putting this guy and his name all over social media and conservative groups and which school he teaches at.  At least I wouldn't take it lying down even if I prob couldn't do anything much else.  At least I'd give him some grief on the way out the door. 

At least back in the day, a couple of left leaning profs, I actually liked and they had these things called personality.  But today, they must all be off the deep end.  The woke kids and the woke profs, a smorgasbord of crazy all mixed together.  What used to be the center was moved with the goal posts to the left and is now called the center by some in the fake news media.  So, a centrist from Billy Clinton's era is now a right winger even if they have done nothing different.  Old Billy was out raping women, but he at least had the good sense not to meddle in the economy too much.  Maybe it was because he was too busy raping women.  Who knows?  But he did good on the economy for a Democrat because he went along with Newt Gingrich back in the day. 
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: SPQR on October 08, 2021, 08:50:18 am
My friends who became plumbers, electricians and bricklayers and such are
now living in huge paid houses with boats, cash and hot chicks.  What's the
deal there?
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: hangook77 on October 08, 2021, 09:08:48 am
My friends who became plumbers, electricians and bricklayers and such are
now living in huge paid houses with boats, cash and hot chicks.  What's the
deal there?

Pretty much, so long as you took the right trade and kept at it.  Also chose to work in the right area. 
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: D.L.Orean on October 08, 2021, 09:26:50 am
Me:  "There are only 2 genders". 

Prof: "There are 69 million genders.  You get an F."

Me:  "F you A-hole!"

Later, me putting this guy and his name all over social media and conservative groups and which school he teaches at.  At least I wouldn't take it lying down even if I prob couldn't do anything much else.  At least I'd give him some grief on the way out the door. 


A short glimpse at the fantasy world within Hangook's mind. Is there a sexual element? Can we roleplay this to its natural conclusion over a bottle of wine this weekend?
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Aristocrat on October 08, 2021, 09:32:27 am
Actually I changed my mind, History of Education was the most useless and boring and Philosophy of Education came a close second.

Only useful thing I learned was an understanding of where the term 'Model-C' schools comes from and why they offer better education than government schools.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Aristocrat on October 08, 2021, 09:38:36 am
Me:  "There are only 2 genders". 

Prof: "There are 69 million genders.  You get an F."

Me:  "F you A-hole!"

Where did you go to university? In a bar? While my professor taught a chapter on CRT and was a staunch feminist, she didn't penalise me for brutally criticising both CRT and contemporary feminism in education as I used sources, justification and demonstrated a proper understanding of the subject matter.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: hangook77 on October 08, 2021, 09:58:25 am
Where did you go to university? In a bar? While my professor taught a chapter on CRT and was a staunch feminist, she didn't penalise me for brutally criticising both CRT and contemporary feminism in education as I used sources, justification and demonstrated a proper understanding of the subject matter.

My uni 20 years ago had outdated books in their library from the 60s to 80s and online stuff was in it's infancy then.  I backed up as much as I could.  But their books were outdated and all had the same left leaning biased.  I did use current journals and news magazines to supplement.  In Sociology where my prof was into cuddle criminals, I wrote about Mayor Giuliani cleaning up New York City with the "broken windows theory".  He really didn't like that and claimed I didn't use enough book sources, except his book sources were all outdated and all shared the same left bias.  If he had a variety books from both points of view and current theories up until the late 90's and early 2000's, I would have used it.  But academia gets set in their ways and they don't like new thinking (except for when it's wacky and nutty like 200 genders nonsense).  Broken windows was new at the time and none of the school library books had anything about it.  Mostly outdated crap from the 70's.  So, he found an excuse to ding me because I didn't mimic his left wing talk.  Just a bit though.  I still came out with a B or B-for final grade both semesters, I can't remember.  Somewhat respectable I guess.  I prob would have gotten a B+ or A. 

But I had to take a business course with another sociology prof and this guy was a real piece of work.  He took the cake compared to the other prof.  Only one course with this guy due to it being a cross discipline course.  I had to settle for a C+ because I wouldn't do his left wing talking points.  He was much worse and unreasonable and paranoid all his students were cheating. 
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: SPQR on October 08, 2021, 11:24:44 am
I remember we went over the theory of cathode ray tubes
in one of my classes. But, they are very rare these days, so
I am not surprised you didn't study about them.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on October 08, 2021, 11:39:19 am
My uni 20 years ago had outdated books in their library from the 60s to 80s and online stuff was in it's infancy then.  I backed up as much as I could.  But their books were outdated and all had the same left leaning biased.  I did use current journals and news magazines to supplement.  In Sociology where my prof was into cuddle criminals, I wrote about Mayor Giuliani cleaning up New York City with the "broken windows theory".  He really didn't like that and claimed I didn't use enough book sources, except his book sources were all outdated and all shared the same left bias.  If he had a variety books from both points of view and current theories up until the late 90's and early 2000's, I would have used it.  But academia gets set in their ways and they don't like new thinking (except for when it's wacky and nutty like 200 genders nonsense).  Broken windows was new at the time and none of the school library books had anything about it.  Mostly outdated crap from the 70's.  So, he found an excuse to ding me because I didn't mimic his left wing talk.  Just a bit though.  I still came out with a B or B-for final grade both semesters, I can't remember.  Somewhat respectable I guess.  I prob would have gotten a B+ or A. 

But I had to take a business course with another sociology prof and this guy was a real piece of work.  He took the cake compared to the other prof.  Only one course with this guy due to it being a cross discipline course.  I had to settle for a C+ because I wouldn't do his left wing talking points.  He was much worse and unreasonable and paranoid all his students were cheating. 
Or maybe you had as poorly reasoned points then as you do now.

Are there hard leftists in academia who are unreasonable? Yes. But most hard left peofessors will at least give you credit if you are funny, raise good points, creative, and unorthodox, while also willing to learn and listen.

Now this was peak DeMart Kucinich hippie days, but I'd still have some conservative positions on certain things, often related to sympathy for religious groups (My big Con Law paper was on Yoder v. Wisconsin), or groups in debate class that drew the tough position. The big highlight being the time one group drew Pro on Bush's new Star Wars missile defense program. They didnt believe in it and walked in dreading the firing squad they knew was coming. Luckily I got to ask the first audience question before the slaughter could start and with the simple question of "In your research did you come across anything that would suggest the tech developed from this could be used to develop other technologies with civilian uses in communications or even health care? R that this system might have other uses such as shielding us from asteriods?", a lifeline was tossed, which they grabbed, and whch everyone else soon went with.

My liberal prof appreciated what I did for my classmates.

The point of this self-congratulatory story? Your liberal professor that you accuse of bias may indeed have been biased, against you having poor arguments, being unsympathetic, and an unwillingness to learn, not your positions themselves.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: 745sticky on October 08, 2021, 12:04:49 pm
my college was pretty liberal and i didnt have any problems with my professors either. then again, even our leftie professors were pretty behind the times by current standards, haha. i think most places even the more left-wing professors are still fairly close to classic liberal, the kookier ones are usually visiting professors or whatever that bounce around academia since most places want to have them but dont end up keeping em, haha
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: hangook77 on October 08, 2021, 12:48:40 pm
Or maybe you had as poorly reasoned points then as you do now.

Are there hard leftists in academia who are unreasonable? Yes. But most hard left peofessors will at least give you credit if you are funny, raise good points, creative, and unorthodox, while also willing to learn and listen.

Now this was peak DeMart Kucinich hippie days, but I'd still have some conservative positions on certain things, often related to sympathy for religious groups (My big Con Law paper was on Yoder v. Wisconsin), or groups in debate class that drew the tough position. The big highlight being the time one group drew Pro on Bush's new Star Wars missile defense program. They didnt believe in it and walked in dreading the firing squad they knew was coming. Luckily I got to ask the first audience question before the slaughter could start and with the simple question of "In your research did you come across anything that would suggest the tech developed from this could be used to develop other technologies with civilian uses in communications or even health care? R that this system might have other uses such as shielding us from asteriods?", a lifeline was tossed, which they grabbed, and whch everyone else soon went with.

My liberal prof appreciated what I did for my classmates.

The point of this self-congratulatory story? Your liberal professor that you accuse of bias may indeed have been biased, against you having poor arguments, being unsympathetic, and an unwillingness to learn, not your positions themselves.

I just told you there were no newer books and none with the other point of view.  They were all old and of a left wing bias.  Nothing new, so I had to use some news articles to get my stats talking about how New York's crime rate fell in the 90's.  He used that as an excuse to ding me a bit.  A little bit, not a lot.  Claimed I used news links and not enough books.  But the books he had were old and all left wing.  He should have had newer books and with both points of view.  Mine was argued with data, numbers, statistics, and tied the "broken windows theory" into how it's application dropped crime rates in New York City.  But I had to use some news articles because their books were all from the 1970's and had the outdated cuddle criminals.  (Of course that has returned to New York City now along with defund the police and crime is soaring again.  But that is for another time.) 

As for a professor or teaching assistant taking bad attitudes, well who's the real asshole and who is arrogant?   My arguments are well articulated even if you don't like them.  Too bad for you.  The point is I completely backed up what I said using the current sources at that time.   This was as opposed to others in the class who went to the library and used those outdated books from the 1970's with their left biases and wrote "safe" papers on topics the prof wanted to hear.  I went to a small university and knew the professor.  He really didn't like reading what I wrote about being tough on crime. 
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: hangook77 on October 08, 2021, 12:50:38 pm
Gotta agree with Martino. I graded a lot of papers as a graduate student only came across a few that were very obviously pushing a conservative line. At least one of them was reasonably well-argued and met the basic requirements of the assignment. I remember two that were flat-out bonkers, just angry stream-of-consciousness rants that went way off course, barely addressed the essay topic and, insofar as they tried to support their arguments with sources, used exclusively non-academic ones. I made sure to mention all of this, politely, in my feedback, but I'm reasonably certain that those students chalked up their bad grades to "liberal bias".

It's usually a strong signal that someone has no idea what goes on in academia when they assume that professors care very deeply about the ideological leanings of 19-year-olds whom they'll only have contact with for one semester. A typical work week for a tenure-track professor involves preparing lectures, teaching 12-15 hours per week, meeting with and reading drafts from the grad students they supervise, managing their TAs, filling out horribly time-consuming grant applications and ethics clearance forms, writing research papers, doing peer review and / or editing work for journals, responding to student e-mails, building a mountain of paperwork to fulfill accountability and transparency requirements, organizing conference sessions and communicating with colleagues, collaborators and research participants. That's if they don't have any extra admin responsibilities, which many people do. And on top of this, there's an expectation that they will keep up to date with all the new research published in their specialist field.

Trust me, most of these people have a lot more to worry about than an undergrad's political views. If you don't act like an asshole in class or produce terrible work, nobody cares. You come and go in a pack of hundreds. There will be more conservative students to replace you next semester. Really, no one gives a shit.

As I said above, I know what it is to articulate and to use sources to back up what I say.  Every point I made I could back up.  That wasn't the point.   
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: SPQR on October 08, 2021, 01:54:29 pm
I mostly studies science, so political perspective rarely came into it.

To answer the opposite of this question the most useful things I
studied were probably math and English.  Learning to put together
a coherent essay was very useful. The math was good for thinking
logically and gave a framework for problem solving. The actual equations,
theorems and proofs were mostly irrelevant.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: tony tony tony on October 08, 2021, 02:21:20 pm
Haha... back in the wild 1990s we had a little somethinh called the "University of the Khao San Road"

Less "IN DEPTH" than another university, but a lot of good bang for your buck... And no timewastign!  :police:
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: SPQR on October 08, 2021, 02:29:32 pm
Haha... back in the wild 1990s we had a little somethinh called the "University of the Khao San Road"

Less "IN DEPTH" than another university, but a lot of good bang for your buck... And no timewastign!  :police:

Yeah, that would be the University of Posers. Or, are you
referring to the diploma mills?
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on October 08, 2021, 02:34:23 pm
I just told you there were no newer books and none with the other point of view.  They were all old and of a left wing bias. 
Books such as......?

You couldn't avail yourself of any of the sources at the campus library? You were explicitly forbidden from using any other sources than the ones he specified?

News links? Did you just link to something on the New York Post and not the actual research itself which claimed to say what you said?

Not surprising you got a bad grade. If someone was against say, (insert popular conservative position here) and their sources were some link to an article on Jezebel and they submitted that and not the actual research and analysis thereof, they'd get a crap grade too.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on October 08, 2021, 02:35:23 pm
You get a B- from me, too.
Softie.

Teachers like fka are why we have grade inflation!

I kid, I kid.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: JNM on October 08, 2021, 04:00:45 pm
My degree is in chemical engineering, but I did 2 years of pre-med (technically a chemistry major) before switching.

Ethics is up there. Some provinces made you write an ethics test for licensing, but ours included it in the university programs. I think it was better to do it while still in the exam writing frame of mind.

The winner, though, was “Intro to Chemical Engineering” which I took after 1.5 years of chemistry - before I officially switched. It was half balancing chemical equations (which I could do in my sleep by then) and half unit conversation (with an open book exam).

I understand how freshman ChE student needed these skills, but for my it was useless. If I had made the decision to switch I would have asked for a waiver or challenged the exam.

Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: SPQR on October 08, 2021, 04:17:27 pm
My degree is in chemical engineering, but I did 2 years of pre-med (technically a chemistry major) before switching.

Ethics is up there. Some provinces made you write an ethics test for licensing, but ours included it in the university programs. I think it was better to do it while still in the exam writing frame of mind.

The winner, though, was “Intro to Chemical Engineering” which I took after 1.5 years of chemistry - before I officially switched. It was half balancing chemical equations (which I could do in my sleep by then) and half unit conversation (with an open book exam).

I understand how freshman ChE student needed these skills, but for my it was useless. If I had made the decision to switch I would have asked for a waiver or challenged the exam.



I know some other engineers here. What is the deal with that?
I thought engineering was very marketable anywhere.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: JNM on October 08, 2021, 04:29:31 pm
I know some other engineers here. What is the deal with that?
I thought engineering was very marketable anywhere.
I worked as an engineer in Korea. I left Korea back in 2019, but still like reading this site.
Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: MayorHaggar on October 08, 2021, 04:46:22 pm
So glad I don't have to deal with today's uni environment.  I assume the profs would fail me for bias?  I did get some slight mark down in a couple of courses for not towing the leftist line in a couple of intro sociology electives.  But not too bad.  Still came out both semesters with a B.  Though may have been a B plus or A minus if I hadn't of challenged some things?  The markdown today? 

Me:  "There are only 2 genders". 

Prof: "There are 69 million genders.  You get an F."

Me:  "F you A-hole!"

Later, me putting this guy and his name all over social media and conservative groups and which school he teaches at.  At least I wouldn't take it lying down even if I prob couldn't do anything much else.  At least I'd give him some grief on the way out the door. 

At least back in the day, a couple of left leaning profs, I actually liked and they had these things called personality.  But today, they must all be off the deep end.  The woke kids and the woke profs, a smorgasbord of crazy all mixed together.  What used to be the center was moved with the goal posts to the left and is now called the center by some in the fake news media.  So, a centrist from Billy Clinton's era is now a right winger even if they have done nothing different.  Old Billy was out raping women, but he at least had the good sense not to meddle in the economy too much.  Maybe it was because he was too busy raping women.  Who knows?  But he did good on the economy for a Democrat because he went along with Newt Gingrich back in the day. 

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Title: Re: The most useless module you've done at university
Post by: pkjh on October 08, 2021, 11:23:56 pm
I know some other engineers here. What is the deal with that?
I thought engineering was very marketable anywhere.
Burnout, not sure how true it is but was constantly told the average career span of an electrical/computer engineer is like 6 years. Tons of them switch jobs because it's so stressful with deadlines, and politics. Also very toxic environment, it's very very male dominated. Women engineers have it tough, that Activision/Blizzard scandal shows it has along way to go when it comes to how the industry treats women. Also, job opportunities cycle like in any other industry, and some just are unlucky with the timing. There are like 4/5 major branches of engineering, and each of them do have different up/down cycles where grads can't get jobs. Lot of them go back to school, or just switch industries all together even before they get a chance to get a degree related job.