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Title: In support of more cyclists
Post by: gogators! on September 17, 2021, 04:45:22 am
Bikes are part of the solution for the climate crisis, mobility equity, public health and economic growth.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: VanIslander on September 17, 2021, 06:12:25 am
Agreed.

I am from the bike-friendly city of Vancouver, which has dedicated bike paths, bike racks galore and year-round mild weather for riding (if you don't mind the rain).

When I went to uni in Alberta I was shocked at how angry drivers were that I dared to be on the road, how rare bike racks were and how friggin' cold winters were.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: SPQR on September 17, 2021, 07:26:30 am

Bikes are part of the solution for the climate crisis, mobility equity, public health and economic growth.


What are you talking about here? Is there something you want people to do
or is this just your general opinion.  How about: eat more vegetables and
fruit, exercise everyday, ban nuclear weapons, get plenty of sleep.

Also, how about we wait for an American lead in this. Let's move on it
when most Americans cycle to work, use less energy per capita and
become more fit and healthy.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: plan b on September 17, 2021, 07:42:26 am
Some time ago, I told my gf I should bike to school, and she responded by telling me that the staff would think I was "poor". No doubt that this mindset discourages cycling in Korea.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: grimlock2 on September 17, 2021, 07:50:03 am
Some time ago, I told my gf I should bike to school, and she responded by telling me that the staff would think I was "poor". No doubt that this mindset discourages cycling in Korea.

Maybe that's why the ones who do cycle get all the fancy cycling gear, to show people it's just an expensive hobby and not a necessity.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: plan b on September 17, 2021, 07:53:34 am
People in North America live so far away from work. It's just not feasible to cycle to work. A person that does moderate exercise 3 times a week is going to struggle to cycle 25km to work in the morning, and another 25km back home after work. Not every city is flat either. In addition, how does one dress for work and then get on their bike for a long commute?  You can't wear a suit on a bike, and you don't have a closet for separate clothes at work. You can't even style your hair and then put on a helmet.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: CO2 on September 17, 2021, 07:53:53 am
You exercised, saved money and didn't spew out shit into the atmosphere?

You're poor.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: D.L.Orean on September 17, 2021, 08:04:03 am
You exercised, saved money and didn't spew out shit into the atmosphere?

You're poor.

How will people know you're not poor if you don't show off your wealth?
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: SPQR on September 17, 2021, 08:04:18 am

Some time ago, I told my gf I should bike to school, and she responded by telling me that the staff would think I was "poor". No doubt that this mindset discourages cycling in Korea.


Actually, I was thinking the same thing. Korean thinking is still rather narrow
and primitive on issues like this. It is getting better with the younger generations,
but the older people here are just write offs.

I used to work at an elementary school and cycled to work. I would wear shorts
in the summer and then change when I got to work. After about a week I was
called into the afterschool supervisor's office to answer complaints about
my attire on arriving at work. After that I had to change clothes at a public
restroom before I got to school. Seriously primitive mother%$#@#'s.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: L I on September 17, 2021, 08:08:50 am
Some time ago, I told my gf I should bike to school, and she responded by telling me that the staff would think I was "poor".

So what did you decide? Are you cycling to work now?
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: plan b on September 17, 2021, 08:17:44 am
So what did you decide? Are you cycling to work now?

No, I kept on taking the bus.. now I'm at a new school over 30 km from home, so cycling is out of the question.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: L I on September 17, 2021, 08:40:22 am
No, I kept on taking the bus..

Because you didnít want to look poor? She dissuaded you? Thatís a shame. The next time you get a school closer by, give cycling a try.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Aristocrat on September 17, 2021, 09:38:03 am
The argument isn't that cyclists are a problem, the argument is that roads and urban design can't effectively accommodate both cyclists and vehicles should cyclists begin swarming the roads, en masse.

Regarding pollution. Right now, bikes aren't going to do a damn thing. 0.0001% of the population of Seoul being convinced to ride a bicycle instead of their car to work, in the interest of climate change, will only result in a 0.00001% increase in arrogance and smugness.

Effectively tackling the problem of climate change is going to be, first and foremost, done on a national and global scale, not at a personal or community level. China produces close to 30% of all co2 emissions with the US being 2nd at 15%. However, per capita, the co2 emissions of the US are much higher than China, this proves that:

- The average American is a much bigger consumer than the average Chinese person
- Factories and coal plants produce far more co2 emissions and contribute far more to climate crisis than your happy ass driving to work

So, even if every American (the biggest produces of co2 emissions per capita) makes a dramatic change to his/her lifestyle, co2 emission, on a global scale, aren't going to reduce by more than say 5%.

Recycle, be environmentally conscious and do what you can, but don't convince yourself that the solution is all of us acting like Captain Planet.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 17, 2021, 12:31:21 pm
Actually, I was thinking the same thing. Korean thinking is still rather narrow
and primitive on issues like this. It is getting better with the younger generations,
but the older people here are just write offs.

I used to work at an elementary school and cycled to work. I would wear shorts
in the summer and then change when I got to work. After about a week I was
called into the afterschool supervisor's office to answer complaints about
my attire on arriving at work. After that I had to change clothes at a public
restroom before I got to school. Seriously primitive mother%$#@#'s.
Your mindset is just as primitive, referring to other people as primitive. The mindset where one presumes to be able to sit in judgment of entire nations of people is now regarded by most of "civilized" society as a primitive, barbaric one. I mean half your schtick is thinking with your dick. Can't get more primitive than that.

Seriously, go worry about yourself before judging entire nations of people as "primitive".
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: SPQR on September 17, 2021, 12:38:41 pm
Your mindset is just as primitive, referring to other people as primitive. The mindset where one presumes to be able to sit in judgment of entire nations of people is now regarded by most of "civilized" society as a primitive, barbaric one. I mean half your schtick is thinking with your dick. Can't get more primitive than that.

Seriously, go worry about yourself before judging entire nations of people as "primitive".

Read the post,please. I said the older, closed-minded, racist generation.
Also, I have experienced this first hand. It isn't hyperbole.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Swervy on September 17, 2021, 12:40:59 pm
I don't ride my bike to be environmentally friendly. I know I'm not saving the world with my biking.
I just do it because it's fun. It's one of the very few forms of exercise I actually enjoy doing. I don't see why it would be perceived as being "poor".  Is everyone who walks anywhere also "poor"?
I just throw in some earbuds, crank some tunes that I'm in the mood for, and take some side streets.
Actually, I hate riding on main roads, I never do. I always ride sidewalk or side roads.

I guess another big reason I enjoy biking is because I used to have a zx6r stateside, but I haven't really felt like I want to get one here yet. I guess I'm a bit nervous for that because of the drivers here...
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: SPQR on September 17, 2021, 12:53:29 pm
I don't ride my bike to be environmentally friendly. I know I'm not saving the world with my biking.
I just do it because it's fun. It's one of the very few forms of exercise I actually enjoy doing. I don't see why it would be perceived as being "poor".  Is everyone who walks anywhere also "poor"?
I just throw in some earbuds, crank some tunes that I'm in the mood for, and take some side streets.
Actually, I hate riding on main roads, I never do. I always ride sidewalk or side roads.

I guess another big reason I enjoy biking is because I used to have a zx6r stateside, but I haven't really felt like I want to get one here yet. I guess I'm a bit nervous for that because of the drivers here...

You're right.  My bike was just shy of 2M won. However, I see some other bikes out there,
like Cannondales, that are more than 8-9M won. Definitely, not a poor person's sport if
you want quality.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Aristocrat on September 17, 2021, 12:53:48 pm
Actually, I was thinking the same thing. Korean thinking is still rather narrow
and primitive on issues like this. It is getting better with the younger generations,
but the older people here are just write offs.

I used to work at an elementary school and cycled to work. I would wear shorts
in the summer and then change when I got to work. After about a week I was
called into the afterschool supervisor's office to answer complaints about
my attire on arriving at work. After that I had to change clothes at a public
restroom before I got to school. Seriously primitive mother%$#@#'s.

By your own admission, this has nothing to do with mode of transportation but rather your attire.

It's morning, all the parents are dropping their kids off. Do you really think the sight of a teacher strolling through the entrance, like Vince Mcmahon, wearing tights which clearly showcase his morning wood is unreasonable to complain about?
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 17, 2021, 12:58:32 pm
"Our infrastructure is designed for vehicles and pedestrians, which are essential and without that infrastructure, things would break down in short order. Cycling is a luxury indulgence because of that."
"But it helps save the environment!"
"Okay, maybe (not really according to the numbers), but that doesn't change the infrastructure argument."  (Uhm....Plus a bunch of angry rambling and ranting about cyclsits tbf, often by out of shape people in SUVs)
"We should design cities better to accommodate bikes."
"Okay, and that's great for any future city and when we get drones, but as for now..." (Maybe worded a bit more bombastically)
"But bikes help us lose weight"
"And that's great, but we're talking about traffic and infrastructure here, that doesn't really address it"
"People who drive cars are just showing off their money (polishes expensive racing bike) and being selfish and need to share the road. Also, those old people on those old bikes need to get out of my way. Same with pedestrians. By the way, look at me and my virtue!"

Now granted this is over the top and heavily one-sided, but those appear to be the core arguments-

1. It helps the environment
2. It helps people exercise
3. Cities should be better designed to accommodate bikes
4. People with cars are just showing off their money

Only one of those somewhat addresses the current infrastructure situation. Of course, unless we completely overhaul things and have a city that is largely flatland, you can't really solve the bike access problem. This is before you get to the issue of the fact that money doesn't grow on trees and every dollar/won spent on turning your city into Biketopia is a dollar/won not spent on health care/education/disabled access/homelessness/etc. All for something that might have limited environmental impact AT BEST and would certainly inconvenience a lot of people with their daily lives, particularly people with children (and especially multiple children of varying ages).
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 17, 2021, 01:01:45 pm
Read the post , please. I said the older, closed-minded, racist generation.
Also, I have experienced this first hand. It isn't hyperbole.

Yes, older generation is dumb. The generation that developed Korea into what it is today and has did more to enable democracy during their younger years than you ever did, is primitive, Mr. "I have a porn star as my avatar".

Seriously, get some perspective and check your own ego once in awhile. You're like so many people on here- All talk, no accomplishments.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: SPQR on September 17, 2021, 01:29:02 pm
By your own admission, this has nothing to do with mode of transportation but rather your attire.

It's morning, all the parents are dropping their kids off. Do you really think the sight of a teacher strolling through the entrance, like Vince Mcmahon, wearing tights which clearly showcase his morning wood is unreasonable to complain about?

I seldom get morning wood while riding. Also, I have never been
one to wear tight fitting spandex attire.  How about when you ride
a wildebeest down Bophuthatswana Blvd. Do you get wood?
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Aristocrat on September 17, 2021, 01:38:15 pm
I seldom get morning wood while riding. Also, I have never been
one to wear tight fitting spandex attire.  How about when you ride
a wildebeest down Bophuthatswana Blvd. Do you get wood?

Don't get butthurt at me.

It's everyone at your school and surrounding neighbourhood who thinks your hairy legs are legitimately terrifying and unsightly.
Get a tan and/or do some squats and RDLs, maybe then they'll let you ride to school on your little tricycle.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: SPQR on September 17, 2021, 01:41:05 pm

Don't get butthurt at me.


What is "butthurt"?
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Swervy on September 17, 2021, 01:43:25 pm
wearing tights which clearly showcase his morning wood is unreasonable to complain about?

Jesus, how long does your morning wood stick around for?
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: CO2 on September 17, 2021, 01:58:17 pm
Jesus, how long does your morning wood stick around for?

It comes in cycles.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Swervy on September 17, 2021, 02:06:40 pm
It comes in cycles.

How can I upvote?
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Adel on September 17, 2021, 02:06:47 pm
What is "butthurt"?

It comes from riding  wildebeest down Bophuthatswana Blvd!
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Kyndo on September 17, 2021, 02:54:07 pm
How can I upvote?
+1


But yeah, I agree. It wood would be nice if there was an upvote button!
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: gogators! on September 17, 2021, 06:01:43 pm
People in North America live so far away from work. It's just not feasible to cycle to work. A person that does moderate exercise 3 times a week is going to struggle to cycle 25km to work in the morning, and another 25km back home after work. Not every city is flat either. In addition, how does one dress for work and then get on their bike for a long commute?  You can't wear a suit on a bike, and you don't have a closet for separate clothes at work. You can't even style your hair and then put on a helmet.
E-bikes are the answer to many of these "problems."
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: gogators! on September 17, 2021, 06:10:31 pm
The argument isn't that cyclists are a problem, the argument is that roads and urban design can't effectively accommodate both cyclists and vehicles should cyclists begin swarming the roads, en masse.

Regarding pollution. Right now, bikes aren't going to do a damn thing. 0.0001% of the population of Seoul being convinced to ride a bicycle instead of their car to work, in the interest of climate change, will only result in a 0.00001% increase in arrogance and smugness.

Effectively tackling the problem of climate change is going to be, first and foremost, done on a national and global scale, not at a personal or community level. China produces close to 30% of all co2 emissions with the US being 2nd at 15%. However, per capita, the co2 emissions of the US are much higher than China, this proves that:

- The average American is a much bigger consumer than the average Chinese person
- Factories and coal plants produce far more co2 emissions and contribute far more to climate crisis than your happy ass driving to work

So, even if every American (the biggest produces of co2 emissions per capita) makes a dramatic change to his/her lifestyle, co2 emission, on a global scale, aren't going to reduce by more than say 5%.

Recycle, be environmentally conscious and do what you can, but don't convince yourself that the solution is all of us acting like Captain Planet.
Encouraging cycling can be part of the "national scale" of battling climate change. Building roads and paths that accommodate cyclists, tax breaks on e-bike purchases, charging stations.
No, it's not THE solution, but it is part of the the solution. Don't forget to factor in greatly improved AQI.

You are not stuck in traffic. You are traffic. Break free--ride a bike.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: gogators! on September 17, 2021, 06:22:40 pm
"Our infrastructure is designed for vehicles and pedestrians, which are essential and without that infrastructure, things would break down in short order. Cycling is a luxury indulgence because of that."
"But it helps save the environment!"
"Okay, maybe (not really according to the numbers), but that doesn't change the infrastructure argument."  (Uhm....Plus a bunch of angry rambling and ranting about cyclsits tbf, often by out of shape people in SUVs)
"We should design cities better to accommodate bikes."
"Okay, and that's great for any future city and when we get drones, but as for now..." (Maybe worded a bit more bombastically)
"But bikes help us lose weight"
"And that's great, but we're talking about traffic and infrastructure here, that doesn't really address it"
"People who drive cars are just showing off their money (polishes expensive racing bike) and being selfish and need to share the road. Also, those old people on those old bikes need to get out of my way. Same with pedestrians. By the way, look at me and my virtue!"

Now granted this is over the top and heavily one-sided, but those appear to be the core arguments-

1. It helps the environment
2. It helps people exercise
3. Cities should be better designed to accommodate bikes
4. People with cars are just showing off their money

Only one of those somewhat addresses the current infrastructure situation. Of course, unless we completely overhaul things and have a city that is largely flatland, you can't really solve the bike access problem. This is before you get to the issue of the fact that money doesn't grow on trees and every dollar/won spent on turning your city into Biketopia is a dollar/won not spent on health care/education/disabled access/homelessness/etc. All for something that might have limited environmental impact AT BEST and would certainly inconvenience a lot of people with their daily lives, particularly people with children (and especially multiple children of varying ages).
#4???

"completely overhaul" is unnecessary. Hills are not much of a problem for most cyclists (they just shift gears) and if they're too tough that's what e-bikes are for.

You can transport small children on bikes with an easily attachable trailer. Once they get big enough, they can ride their own bikes.

Considering the easy access to well-designed public transportation in SK, owning and driving a car is the luxury indulgence, not cycling.

"The concept is so foreign to me because it is so illogical. How can anyone with sufficient mental capacity to pass a driverís test, or indeed to dress themselves in the morning, not realize the folly of living a life that includes a working car, but no working bike?

Bikes are virtually free, and require no insurance, registration, license, parking spaces, or any other hassle. They are so easy to own, and so incredibly useful and beneficial, with absolutely no drawbacks whatsoever to ownership. And yet somehow, there are adults out there Ė millions of them, a majority of them in the US Ė who donít even have a bike.

My neighbor is paying thousands of dollars a year to idle around town in a 300 horsepower truck that gets 12 miles per gallon in the city, even while her body is crying out for extra exercise that it is clearly not getting enough of."

https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/05/07/what-do-you-mean-you-dont-have-a-bike/
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 17, 2021, 06:29:19 pm
You can transport small children on bikes with an easily attachable trailer. Once they get big enough, they can ride their own bikes.
Yeah, tell that to some mom who has put on 15 pounds since shooting out two kids and has a 7 year old to deal with that she can just hitch her kids to the trailer and go pick up groceries after an 8 hour shift.

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Bikes are virtually free, and require no insurance, registration, license, parking spaces, or any other hassle.
If they're going to go on the street and be subject to everything, they should require those things.

And once again, you still don't address the infrastructure issue. There are millions of working people for whom bikes simply aren't an option and there is already the necessary infrastructure based around cars.

You're living in fantasyland. Deal with reality as it is, not how we wish it to be.

Seriously you sound like the kind of idiot who thinks they know the answer but if they were ever to become mayor, would try to propose this and immediately be informed of the cost and realities of the situation and minimal benefit and unintended consequences and realize your plan is unfeasible. Thus is likely due to a limited ability to conceptualize and understand costs and things like logistics and feasibility.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: SPQR on September 17, 2021, 06:38:17 pm

E-bikes are the answer to many of these "problems."


E-Bikes are garbage. Propel yourself with your own mettle
and live long and prosper.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: gogators! on September 18, 2021, 03:35:56 am
Yeah, tell that to some mom who has put on 15 pounds since shooting out two kids and has a 7 year old to deal with that she can just hitch her kids to the trailer and go pick up groceries after an 8 hour shift.
If they're going to go on the street and be subject to everything, they should require those things.

And once again, you still don't address the infrastructure issue. There are millions of working people for whom bikes simply aren't an option and there is already the necessary infrastructure based around cars.

You're living in fantasyland. Deal with reality as it is, not how we wish it to be.

Seriously you sound like the kind of idiot who thinks they know the answer but if they were ever to become mayor, would try to propose this and immediately be informed of the cost and realities of the situation and minimal benefit and unintended consequences and realize your plan is unfeasible. Thus is likely due to a limited ability to conceptualize and understand costs and things like logistics and feasibility.
One can only suppose your continued opposition to any sort of progressive change is that you are habitually lazy (and cheap). Good thing for Londoners that their mayor, Khan, isn't the can'tist you are:

The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has delivered 260km of high-quality, safer cycle routes in his first term Ė including more than 5 times the protected routes that he inherited
This has contributed to a huge boost in cycling, including a more than 200 per cent increase in cycle flows in the last two weekends of February compared to 2020
Construction work starts this month on new or upgraded cycle infrastructure for four new routes which will add a further 8km to the capitalís network     
More than 100km of new or upgraded cycle routes have been delivered or are under construction since the start of the pandemic, as well as hundreds of kilometres of quieter streets,  extended pavements, new School Streets and many more junctions made safer
One in five Londoners now live near the cycle network, a 10% increase on 2019
Enabling more people to walk and cycle continues to be at the heart of the Mayorís vision for a healthier and more sustainable city for all Londoners

"There are millions of working people for whom bikes simply aren't an option." That may be true for those who can't afford them at present. But otherwise that's a tremendous over-exaggeration.

Your working mother scenario is a good example of your misogyny. Why wouldn't she be strong enough? And if she were riding a bike would she have gained the 15 pounds you so uncharitably gift her?

"Science confirms what many of us know: Your bike is your happy place.

When you ride, you get a spike in neurochemicals such as serotonin and dopamine that relieve pain and improve mood, says Kim Chronister, PsyD, a psychologist in Los Angeles. You also get a hit of endorphins, which triggers the same receptors in your brain as some pain medicines."

You should try it, grumpy.

Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: SPQR on September 18, 2021, 08:00:13 am

The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has delivered 260km of high-quality, safer cycle routes in his first term Ė including more than 5 times the protected routes that he inherited
This has contributed to a huge boost in cycling, including a more than 200 per cent increase in cycle flows in the last two weekends of February compared to 2020


Yes, but Korea is too primitive for this. I thought we already established
this fact.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 18, 2021, 10:13:50 am
Yes, but Korea is too primitive for this. I thought we already established
this fact.

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Seoul is aiming to increase the cityís bike lanes by about 41 percent, from the current 940 kilometers (584 miles) to 1,330 kilometers.

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2020/06/15/national/socialAffairs/seoul-bike-cycle-routes/20200615184807261.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul
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Area ē Total   605.21 km2 (233.67 sq mi)

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the City provides over 350 km of pathways, bike lanes and cycle tracks.
https://london.ca/cycling#:~:text=Biking%20in%20London&text=The%20City%20provides%20over%20350,bike%20lanes%20and%20cycle%20tracks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London
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Area   1,569 km2 (606 sq mi)

Not only does Korea have more raw bike paths, it also has much more per square km. Looks like the UK is much more "primitive" than Korea.

Did you actually bother to look up the facts before typing or did you just rely on stereotype like the bigot you are?
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 18, 2021, 10:17:00 am
Your working mother scenario is a good example of your misogyny. Why wouldn't she be strong enough? And if she were riding a bike would she have gained the 15 pounds you so uncharitably gift her?
Oh FFS, get real.

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"Science confirms what many of us know: Your bike is your happy place.

When you ride, you get a spike in neurochemicals such as serotonin and dopamine that relieve pain and improve mood, says Kim Chronister, PsyD, a psychologist in Los Angeles. You also get a hit of endorphins, which triggers the same receptors in your brain as some pain medicines."
So do drugs.

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You should try it, grumpy.
If cycling makes you happy, why are you always so miserable on these forums and always picking fights and insulting everyone?
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: SPQR on September 18, 2021, 12:37:07 pm

Not only does Korea have more raw bike paths, it also has much more per square km. Looks like the UK is much more "primitive" than Korea.


Painting a part of the sidewalk red doesn't mean it is a bike path.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: gogators! on September 18, 2021, 06:38:37 pm
Oh FFS, get real.
So do drugs.
If cycling makes you happy, why are you always so miserable on these forums and always picking fights and insulting everyone?
LOL. 

Take a bike ride. You'll feel better.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 19, 2021, 08:50:39 am
LOL. 

Take a bike ride. You'll feel better.
Why? You apparently bike all the time and are constantly miserable, insulting, and complaining.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 19, 2021, 08:57:19 am
Painting a part of the sidewalk red doesn't mean it is a bike path.  :rolleyes:
1) Some of them in London are that
2) Others in London are just painting part of the street blue.
3) Some of the routes in Korea are segregated lanes and paths and other conversions, same as London

Stop trying to scramble because you made a bigoted assumption that wasn't based on facts, just your own prejudice.

Maybe if YOU weren't so primitive, you'd have looked at the data first before typing. But you didn't. Why? Because YOU are primitive.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: VanIslander on September 19, 2021, 10:04:17 am
One of the best things about Vancouver is cars will slow down rather than HONK THE HECK!

I can cycle from Richmond through Van to Burnaby in 2 hours ON THE ROAD (70% of the time, given my route) without a single honk, angry driver.

In Alberta, Ontario and Manitoba I felt under siege.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: OnNut81 on September 19, 2021, 10:47:16 am
1) Some of them in London are that
2) Others in London are just painting part of the street blue.
3) Some of the routes in Korea are segregated lanes and paths and other conversions, same as London

Stop trying to scramble because you made a bigoted assumption that wasn't based on facts, just your own prejudice.

Maybe if YOU weren't so primitive, you'd have looked at the data first before typing. But you didn't. Why? Because YOU are primitive.

Youíve clearly never been to London.  Iíve been a couple of times and the bike paths through a lot of very central areas are completely separated by curbs.  No simple paint jobs and sign posts.  Seeing the loads of cyclists in London also reinforced something I already knew.  Urban cyclists can be pricks the world over. 
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Savant on September 19, 2021, 03:21:32 pm
1) Some of them in London are that
2) Others in London are just painting part of the street blue.
3) Some of the routes in Korea are segregated lanes and paths and other conversions, same as London

Stop trying to scramble because you made a bigoted assumption that wasn't based on facts, just your own prejudice.

Maybe if YOU weren't so primitive, you'd have looked at the data first before typing. But you didn't. Why? Because YOU are primitive.

You've never cycled through Seoul then. There are bike paths along the major rivers but through the city? Nope!

Any bike lanes next to a road in Seoul would just become parking spots due to lack of enforcement.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Savant on September 19, 2021, 03:22:51 pm
Youíve clearly never been to London.  Iíve been a couple of times and the bike paths through a lot of very central areas are completely separated by curbs.  No simple paint jobs and sign posts.  Seeing the loads of cyclists in London also reinforced something I already knew.  Urban cyclists can be pricks the world over. 

"Youíve clearly never.." I find this line tends to work for every point Marty tries to make and fails.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: SPQR on September 19, 2021, 04:26:25 pm
Here is what passes for bike lanes in my part of Korea.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: gogators! on September 19, 2021, 07:59:36 pm
Rode 45 miles yesterday, averaging over 19 mph including slowing and stopping for traffic lights and stop signs. There were bike lanes about 80% of the route.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: SPQR on September 19, 2021, 09:54:45 pm
I try and do 30-40km/day.  I don't use my STRAVA anymore. But
when I'm riding I push pretty hard.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: VanIslander on September 19, 2021, 10:04:21 pm
I cycled around Jeju Island, flat and fun. Scenic as heck.

Then I made a relatively short trip from my Seogwipo to Jeju City up the side of Halla mountain. Scenic as heck as i walked my bike panting under the foliage.

Two world travellers were interviewed by The Korea Herald about 17 years ago (when i was working in Okpo, on Geoje) and they were asked which part of their Korean tour did they like best and they cited Geoje. Now, the east coast from Okpo southward is stunning, is worth a drive or ten drives, but to cycle up and down and up and down those inclines and declines would be torture. I tried to walk it once and accepted a driver's offer for a ride a third of the way.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 20, 2021, 06:14:06 pm
Youíve clearly never been to London.  Iíve been a couple of times and the bike paths through a lot of very central areas are completely separated by curbs.  No simple paint jobs and sign posts.  Seeing the loads of cyclists in London also reinforced something I already knew.  Urban cyclists can be pricks the world over. 
I said some, many are not, at least according to the article I read. Some in Korea are dedicated, many are not. Still this idea that somehow Korea is primitive on those things is ridiculous.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Kurt Sorensen on September 20, 2021, 07:13:58 pm
No Marti, Korea is just 'dipshit'. That's the word, isn't it.
Title: Re: In support of more cyclists
Post by: Mr C on September 21, 2021, 02:28:04 am
I said some, many are not, at least according to the article I read. Some in Korea are dedicated, many are not. Still this idea that somehow Korea is primitive on those things is ridiculous.
The "article" you linked, assuming it's the one  you read, is virtually unrelated to the point you're making, suggesting to some who are familiar with your postings, your assertions that, say, Trump had "a few" drone strikes, or the vast majority of  hepatitis victims are elderly, or putting sh*t smeared tp in open bins is fine because of "reasons", that you just made up the point of the "article you read", a thing you do with considerable regularity.

TBH, I haven't followed this thread at all, but somehow I know you are full of it.  Based on long experience.