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Title: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 15, 2021, 12:35:05 pm
Western woke culture, weird pronouns, critical race conspiracy theory, etc is worse than the most communist countey now.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/north-korean-defector-after-attending-ivy-league-school-even-north-korea-was-not-this-nuts





Famed North Korean defector Yeonmi Park offered a chilling account of her time at Columbia University, saying that not even North Korea went to the level of brainwashing that she witnessed.

Like in North Korea, Park said she witnessed example after example of anti-Western sentiment and guilt-tripping. During her orientation, for instance, a staff member scolded her for liking classic literature.

"Even North Korea is not this nuts,” she added. “North Korea was pretty crazy, but not this crazy.”

“Because I have seen oppression, I know what it looks like,” she said. “These kids keep saying how they’re oppressed, how much injustice they’ve experienced. They don’t know how hard it is to be free.”

“I literally crossed through the middle of the Gobi Desert to be free. But what I did was nothing, so many people fought harder than me and didn’t make it,” she added.

Not being able to think critically has real-world consequences on society, noted Park as she recalled her inability to see that leader Kim Jong Un was the fattest man in the country while the people were starving.

“In North Korea I literally believed that my Dear Leader [Kim Jong-un] was starving,” she said. “He’s the fattest guy – how can anyone believe that? And then somebody showed me a photo and said ‘Look at him, he’s the fattest guy. Other people are all thin.’ And I was like, ‘Oh my God, why did I not notice that he was fat?’ Because I never learned how to think critically.”

“That is what is happening in America,” she added. “People see things but they’ve just completely lost the ability to think critically.”

Having seen the worst of humanity in North Korea only to witness brainwashing in the United States, Park admitted to feeling quite bitter and hopeless about it all.

“You guys have lost common sense to degree that I as a North Korean cannot even comprehend,” she said. “Where are we going from here? There’s no rule of law, no morality, nothing is good or bad anymore, it’s complete chaos. I guess that’s what they want, to destroy every single thing and rebuild into a Communist paradise.”

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Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: fka on June 15, 2021, 12:56:12 pm
More communist propaganda from Hangook The Red.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: CO2 on June 15, 2021, 12:57:07 pm
Not being able to think critically has real-world consequences on society, noted Park as she recalled her inability to see that leader Kim Jong Un was the fattest man in the country while the people were starving.

“In North Korea I literally believed that my Dear Leader [Kim Jong-un] was starving,” she said. “He’s the fattest guy – how can anyone believe that? And then somebody showed me a photo and said ‘Look at him, he’s the fattest guy. Other people are all thin.’ And I was like, ‘Oh my God, why did I not notice that he was fat?’ Because I never learned how to think critically.”

She escaped in 2007 and KJU became leader in 2011. She'd already lived in South Korea for TWO YEARS by the time KJU took power.

This isn't to say that she had NEVER seen pictures of KJU prior to him taking over, but this needs some clarification on her/Daily Wire's part.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 15, 2021, 01:08:47 pm
She escaped in 2007 and KJU became leader in 2011. She'd already lived in South Korea for TWO YEARS by the time KJU took power.

This isn't to say that she had NEVER seen pictures of KJU prior to him taking over, but this needs some clarification on her/Daily Wire's part.

She still lived there and experienced life under two harsh dictators plus speaks to folks inside via smuggled Chinese cell phones as most defectors do.  Either way, they way she grew up as bad as it was seems only slightly worse than new creeping authoritarian woke accusation culture taking over now.  So glad I never had to face that garbage as a kid.  My sister's daughter was kept after school for using the wrong pronoun on a kid (and this was elementary school).  Totally messed up.  Though, for now, the parents have had a lot of the power given to them.  School called my sister and tried to rake her daughter over the coals.  My sister told them off and said her daughter said nothing wrong.  She told them off back and grabbed her daughter and walked out on them.  I was pretty proud of them pushing back against the PC trash.  She went back to school the next day and the stupid woke teachers could do nothing.  But that will change.  These crazies will push for laws demanding full compliance with the state and the right to interfere with families.  That day is coming.  Full commie takeover.  May have to move to an actual commie country to have more freedom or at least from this indoctrination and crazy mental illness. 
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: fka on June 15, 2021, 01:24:42 pm
She escaped in 2007 and KJU became leader in 2011. She'd already lived in South Korea for TWO YEARS by the time KJU took power.

This isn't to say that she had NEVER seen pictures of KJU prior to him taking over, but this needs some clarification on her/Daily Wire's part.

https://www.38north.org/2015/06/jstrother062515/ (https://www.38north.org/2015/06/jstrother062515/)

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A second, slower-boiling dispute involves the 21-year-old defector Park Yeon Mi; her memoir is not due out until later this year, but media commentators,[1] bloggers[2] and other North Korean refugees[3] already suspect she embellished the story of her escape with elements lifted from other defector accounts.

Journalists and other writers regularly note that they cannot independently verify statements by North Korean defectors. Authors give the benefit of the doubt to their subjects in such cases, at least until holes emerge in their stories. In a new foreword to Shin’s account, Harden acknowledges that he should have “done more to examine the psychological dimensions of his (Shin’s) relation to truth.”[4] Park Yeon Mi and her book’s collaborator, Maryanne Vollers, declined to comment for this article, but both have attempted in press statements to explain apparent inconsistencies in Park’s accounts.[5]

Sources in Seoul’s close-knit refugee and advocacy community have refused to publicly discuss whether specific inaccuracies appear to be deliberate lies or honest mistakes, but several have spoken in general terms about the trustworthiness of defector accounts. Sokeel Park, director of research and strategy at Liberty in North Korea (LiNK), acknowledged that “defectors don’t necessarily understand Western journalists’ required standards for ‘the truth’” and might alter their histories to protect themselves or their families.

Kim Seok-hyang, a professor at the Institute for Unification Studies at Ewha Women’s University in Seoul, said lying is “a way of surviving” in North Korea and telling the truth “is a good way to kill yourself.” Many defectors live for years in the South with a “guiltless” habit of fibbing, and the attention lavished on some may cause them to “become drunk with celebrity [status]” and start believing their own lies, she said...

Shin Mi-nyeo, director of the refugee support group Saejowi, described the motivations of North Korean defectors in more cynical terms. Some journalists pay them for interviews, while political and security organizations provide them stipends for giving lectures, she said.

“Smart defectors use activism to make a living,” and some of the more outspoken defectors “know what journalists want to hear,” Shin said. She added, though, that the professional success of a few North Korean activists has created a “false impression that entering activism is a lucrative career move.”


To be fair to Park, that Daily Wire article oversimplifies or exaggerates a couple of her quotes. Here's the whole recording: https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-korean-defector-ivy-league-nuts (https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-korean-defector-ivy-league-nuts)

I use the word "recording" deliberately because it's not an interview - just Park talking to the camera for 7 minutes, with a bit of editing. Kind of odd as a "news story". Anyway, it's basically a grab bag of right-wing anti-woke talking points that don't hold up to much scrutiny. For example, the bit about being "scolded" for liking the classics. In the video she mentions Jane Austen specifically. Well, Jane Austen is part of Columbia's Core Curriculum (https://www.college.columbia.edu/core/content/jane-austen (https://www.college.columbia.edu/core/content/jane-austen)) and there's a more specialized class related to Austen and poetry: https://english.columbia.edu/content/jane-austen-and-poets (https://english.columbia.edu/content/jane-austen-and-poets)

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Austen relished contemporary verse as did her readers. Studying her perfectly structured novels together with, for example, William Cowper’s rambling, loco-descriptive, blank-verse meditations on nature and society, or George Crabbe’s biting couplets about miserable village life, shall enrich our appreciation of the atmosphere in which Austen cultivated her sensibility, anticipated the taste and moral tenor of her readers, and exercised artistic control. We will read three of her novels —Sense and Sensibility, Pride and Prejudice, and Persuasion—alongside the poets she and her readers loved and whose poems they enjoyed hearing recited by characters in her novels. Our poets include Johnson, Cowper (her beloved favorite), Crabbe, Smith, Barbauld, Wordsworth, and Coleridge, among others.

So yeah, I don't think anyone got scolded for saying that they enjoy Jane Austen.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: fka on June 15, 2021, 01:30:56 pm
Here are Columbia's ultra-woke Core Curriculum literature texts: https://www.college.columbia.edu/core/lithum/texts (https://www.college.columbia.edu/core/lithum/texts)

Homer, Virgil, Sophocles, Shakespeare, Dante, Plato, Austen, Milton, Dostoevsky, Cervantes...

Not a white man in sight. Where will the madness end?
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 15, 2021, 01:42:26 pm
I would take everything Yeonmi Park has to say with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: D.L.Orean on June 15, 2021, 01:46:55 pm
She still lived there and experienced life under two harsh dictators plus speaks to folks inside via smuggled Chinese cell phones as most defectors do.  Either way, they way she grew up as bad as it was seems only slightly worse than new creeping authoritarian woke accusation culture taking over now

So growing up in North Korea is only slightly worse than growing up in the United States in 2021? What are the slight differences that make it just a little bit worse?
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Savant on June 15, 2021, 01:49:33 pm
Here are Columbia's ultra-woke Core Curriculum literature texts: https://www.college.columbia.edu/core/lithum/texts (https://www.college.columbia.edu/core/lithum/texts)

Homer, Virgil, Sophocles, Shakespeare, Dante, Plato, Austen, Milton, Dostoevsky, Cervantes...

Not a white man in sight. Where will the madness end?

At least, Jesus is still known as a white man.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 15, 2021, 01:55:10 pm
Yeonmi Park is quickly diving into Ayaan Hirsi Ali territory. Basically becoming a useful pawn/token for an agenda. Similar profiles and responses and focus on the limelight and bedfellows and all that.

Be skeptical of someone who is telling you exactly what you want to hear.

If you really think woke America is as bad as North Korea, you're a fing idiot.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: MayorHaggar on June 15, 2021, 01:59:26 pm
Famed North Korean defector Yeonmi Park offered a chilling account of her time at Columbia University, saying that not even North Korea went to the level of brainwashing that she witnessed.

Like in North Korea, Park said she witnessed example after example of anti-Western sentiment and guilt-tripping. During her orientation, for instance, a staff member scolded her for liking classic literature.

"Even North Korea is not this nuts,” she added. “North Korea was pretty crazy, but not this crazy.”


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Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: MayorHaggar on June 15, 2021, 02:02:02 pm

Anyways, I'm no fan of Communism and reject it in my own country.  But whatever other folks do in theirs is their gig so long as they don't intrude on me. 
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 15, 2021, 02:09:43 pm


Well if they are less Communist than my own country and pay me more.  Cause 2.1 mil ain't gonna fund your retirement nor will a just above minimum wage back home. 
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 15, 2021, 02:11:04 pm
It's coming for you.  Give it 10 or 15 years.  Perhaps, sooner.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 15, 2021, 02:19:03 pm
It's coming for you.  Give it 10 or 15 years.  Perhaps, sooner.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM
While it was funny and could well be coming to "that one social class everyone has to take",  I think treating that as "prophetic" is a bit much,
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 15, 2021, 02:22:10 pm
While it was funny and could well be coming to "that one social class everyone has to take",  I think treating that as "prophetic" is a bit much,

Asians in North America are being lumped in with whites now as an undesired class.  So, they'll be coming for you too. 
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 15, 2021, 02:32:03 pm
Asians in North America are being lumped in with whites now as an undesired class.  So, they'll be coming for you too. 
MFers have always been coming for Asians or blacks or Jews or Mexicans. What else is new?
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: waygo0k on June 15, 2021, 02:35:47 pm
I personally know Yeonmi, she's pandering to gullible right wingers and rage suckers...essential ly doing a Candace Owen Asian style.

But rage on I guess.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: pkjh on June 15, 2021, 02:38:49 pm
I wouldn't use Yeonmi Park as an example, there are just to many holes in her ever changing story. And she makes tons of money milking it. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but be aware of the weak foundation her 'stories' are on.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 15, 2021, 02:47:13 pm
I personally know Yeonmi, she's pandering to gullible right wingers and rage suckers...essential ly doing a Candace Owen Asian style.

But rage on I guess.
She's trying to boot Michelle Malkin and Gordon Chang off their throne.

I'm nominally on the right, but I can tell when someone is doing a shuck n jive. It's why I've always said on here I don't care for Candace Owens. You can be on the right and a minority without doing that whole act. Like Ayaan Hirsi Ali vs. Siraj Hashmi. Ayaan basically feeds into every anti-Islam stereotype. Hasmi on the other hand is on the right but is like "What up habibis! Corona has all of you acting Muslim now. Told you we win!" Like not apologizing or whitewashing who he is or what his background was. Same with like, Amazing Lucas who won't tolerate clown takes on police violence and doesn't apologize for being black.

But Candace Owens? Has some things to say, but the second she tries to talk to or for black people, it's just painful to watch.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Foreverparadise on June 15, 2021, 04:02:50 pm
I would rather be woke than to be a house negro.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: fka on June 15, 2021, 04:44:59 pm
I've got a sneaking suspicion that hangook not only believes, but gets really excited by those stories all over right-wing websites and YouTube comments in which people "own" their Marxist professors.

"So I was taking this political science class and this Marxist professor was saying all this communist stuff like, 'You'll get an F in this class if you don't hate America' and 'Islam and homosexuality are the only acceptable religions' and 'Capitalism is bad because there are 500 genders and that's why Cuba is better than America'. All the other students were just nodding along, probably because they'd been brainwashed by teachers their whole lives. The class was about to finish, and the professor says, 'For your final exam, you need to write 2,000 words about why Marxism is great and everything else is bad. This is worth 100% of your grade.' Then I stood up and raised my hand.

'Uh, just one question, Professor.'

He gave me this dirty look. He didn't like people who ask questions.

'What about Stalin?'

He LITERALLY dropped to the floor and started crying. The whole class looked at me. Some of the SJW types also started crying and ran out of the auditorium. But to my surprise, most of the class stood up and applauded.

You know what I submitted for that final exam? A blank piece of paper. When the professor returned it to me, he couldn't look me in the eye. He just mumbled something about how he'd be retiring after this semester and handed me back the blank paper. My grade? A+"

Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: CO2 on June 15, 2021, 04:56:50 pm
fka

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/9a/fe/619afe92da3afaf1f6adf8760a136367.gif)

I'm all for laughing at the crazies on both sides, but I have my limits.

Colombia University is NOT in any way comparable to NK.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: waygo0k on June 15, 2021, 05:03:21 pm
"Stalin...so great they named an entire graduation after him...StalinGRAD.

Great Marxist Communist SJW hero."

Probably what the professor was expecting to see in the assignment.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: MayorHaggar on June 15, 2021, 06:31:56 pm
It's coming for you.  Give it 10 or 15 years.  Perhaps, sooner.

There's nothing more embarassing than when conservatives pretend to care about education. You guys think vaccines inject 5G into your bloodstream and that Donald Trump is the height of 3000 years of Western intellectualism. No, you don't get to suddenly pretend to care about facts or math or science.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: KimDuHan on June 16, 2021, 03:07:38 am
There's nothing more embarassing than when conservatives pretend to care about education. You guys think vaccines inject 5G into your bloodstream and that Donald Trump is the height of 3000 years of Western intellectualism. No, you don't get to suddenly pretend to care about facts or math or science.

I’m not a conservative but love this post! Putting a whole group of people into one stereotype is literally against your values am I right?

However, this is does not count for your attacks towards conservative people.

The next voted in US president will be Republican. The Democratic Party is losing touch. I know Christian liberals from California who have voted democrat their whole lives and are now being targeted for being Christian by the woke.

The woke have to stop before it’s too late. Public parks around my city are filled with woke people living on the benches shooting up every night. It’s a shame you can’t even go to the park anymore.

The problem is both sides have to practice what they preach.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: L I on June 16, 2021, 06:23:28 am
I’m not a conservative but

Not a conservative? Sure sound like one.
___________________ ___________________ ____

The next voted in US president will be Republican. The Democratic Party is losing touch.

The woke have to stop before it’s too late.

Wait did you vote for Biden? Then it’s okay democrats can’t be racist or if you happen to be a non-white male then disregard the first sentence.

all of a sudden it’s not racist anymore because liberals/democrats want it. Like Justin Trudeau doing black face is fine

Harris will try to seize control of the union

Canada is on the brink of a revolt.

Canada CPP might not exist in 10 years, Canada as a country is struggling.

Canada is going through the ringer right now with our pretty boi toy and his associates.

Canada’s liberals are communists, take away guns legalize drugs that turn you into a zombie. Then take over in a coup with Marshall law great leader Trudeau.

Sanders just dropped out of the race!

So, Donald trump just won another 4 years.

Biden will not muster any young voters and has no chance against trump.

Congratulations on another 4 years Trump!!

No way Biden will win, Sanders voters will stay home or vote for Trump in spite. Biden’s poll numbers mean nothing people just pick anyone but Trump on polls. The only thing that matters is the final vote which Trump will win easily.

Trump will win easily if Biden gets the nomination!
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Adel on June 16, 2021, 06:35:40 am
To be fair I don't think the fact that one followed/follows Trump makes one a conservative. His followers are more into his cult of personality than any serious political ideology.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Renma on June 16, 2021, 08:14:20 am
I bet L I's bookshelves are lined with labelled dossier's on each regular poster here, filled with A4 print outs of posts they make.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: fka on June 16, 2021, 08:20:40 am
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Public parks around my city are filled with woke people living on the benches shooting up every night. It’s a shame you can’t even go to the park anymore.

A while ago I predicted that "cancel culture" would cease to have any meaning within a couple years as people began to use it to describe any form accountability. That happened quicker than I imagined (see Matt Gaetz). I guess we're well past the point of "woke" having any identifiable meaning. The signs were there in all of stoat's posts about how any institutional decision that didn't conform 100% to his worldview was a consequence of "wokeness", and the quote above takes us to the logical endpoint of this trajectory. Now "woke" = something / some people that I don't like.

NB - If Du Han's post is a parody, then it's a pretty good one, and I will own up to having been successfully trolled.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: fka on June 16, 2021, 08:41:30 am
There's nothing more embarassing than when conservatives pretend to care about education. You guys think vaccines inject 5G into your bloodstream and that Donald Trump is the height of 3000 years of Western intellectualism. No, you don't get to suddenly pretend to care about facts or math or science.

My aunt and uncle are conservative, more country club than Trumpist, but every time I'm back home and the conversation turns to politics I end up getting lectured about what's wrong with education these days, even though they haven't had any formal connection to education since their daughter graduated high school in 1996. I also get to learn about what it's like to be a taxpayer, as if paying taxes regularly for the last 20 years hasn't given me any insights. They also love to tell me about what life is like for a hard-pressed business owner, despite having never owned a business, and apparently forgetting that my brother and I spent our youth working for a family business.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Aristocrat on June 16, 2021, 11:24:15 am
Nothing to see, just North Americans arguing over their respective sports teams... AGAIN!
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: L I on June 16, 2021, 11:27:01 am
Sports teams? Politics is a bit more consequential than that.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Aristocrat on June 16, 2021, 11:50:53 am
Sports teams? Politics is a bit more consequential than that.

Politics is when you discuss and believe in ideas and arguments.
Sports is when discuss and believe in people and groups and bicker with people from other groups.

You're sports fans arguing for your respective team, nothing more.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 16, 2021, 11:53:09 am
Politics is when you discuss and believe in ideas and arguments.
Sports is when discuss and believe in people and groups and bicker with people from other groups.

You're sports fans arguing for your respective team, nothing more.
This. Love the game and the players. Don't get too wrapped up in the team.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Liechtenstein on June 16, 2021, 11:58:12 am
Having decades of experience living in the West and well over a decade living in a communist country I absolutely agree with the OP's statement.

In fact, I'd rather live in the DPRK that Canada or the USA these days.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 16, 2021, 12:03:00 pm
You folks are crazy.  Either way the wokism that is taking over the schools now is crazy and extreme.  Have an opinion and expect the hate and violence to be reigned down on you.  Either way NK according to someone actually from there (unless some of you smart asses are from there) doesn't have as many extreme rules.  Would I want to live there?  Hell no.  But China and Vietnam at least isn't cramming wokism down your throat.  Their brand of creeping communism is worse and if you choose to have your head up your ass, I can't help you. 
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: CO2 on June 16, 2021, 12:06:58 pm
In fact, I'd rather live in the DPRK that Canada or the USA these days.
큰 야익스

So you'd be happy not seeing any English TV show, any youtube channel, any foreign movie or any English book ever again.
Your choice of food limited to "well, this is available." No more Italian, no more pizza or sushi?

Yeah, sure. I believe you,

Giving up every single thing I've ever enjoyed because of purple haired feminazis to own the libs.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: tylerthegloob on June 16, 2021, 12:09:51 pm
big yikes indeed, co2! but hey at least if hankook and LIC move to the DPRK they wont be able to post here anymore  ;D
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: fka on June 16, 2021, 12:16:56 pm
So what do you think is more likely, hangook? That Yeonmi Park told Fox News what it wanted to hear after being offered some money, or that an Ivy League English department that runs classes on Jane Austen scolded an incoming student for saying she liked Jane Austen?

If you think it's the latter, I'll pose a challenge to you - find someone who can back up what she said. She enrolled at Columbia in 2016. So far, this is the first account of anyone's heard of a North Korean refugee being publicly dressed down for saying that she liked classic literature at a student orientation. Now her claim is out in the public, so let's see if someone will back her up.

*Edit*

Someone has already tried to fact-check this.

https://misbar.com/en/factcheck/2021/06/15/no-evidence-columbia-staff-called-jane-austen-racist-bigot-with-colonial-mindset (https://misbar.com/en/factcheck/2021/06/15/no-evidence-columbia-staff-called-jane-austen-racist-bigot-with-colonial-mindset)

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[Park] was an economics major at Columbia in the General Studies program, enrolling in Professor Sunil Gulati’s Principles of Economics in her first semester. Orientation for the 2016 GS program introduced students to fellow classmates, school resources, and deans; very few faculty attended.

We reached out to several faculty at Columbia; each said that they do not believe any of their fellow faculty members would say what Park claims they did about Austen. Although it's possible that that non-faculty staff spoke to Park about Austen, this also seems improbable. Nobody else we talked to who attended the 2016 GS orientation could recall such an incident.

Columbia is known for its incorporation of Austen in research, education, and social programs. Several Columbia professors write positively about Austen; for example, Dr. Jenny Davidson published a chapter on Austen’s exploration of the condition of knowledge through narration.

GS students at Columbia are required to take HUMA GS1001, Masterpieces of Western Literature and Philosophy. The course description includes “Homer, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, Herodotus, Thucydides, Aristophanes, Plato, Vergil, St. Augustine, Dante, Boccaccio, Montaigne, Shakespeare, Goethe, Austen, and Woolf..."

Misbar would like to reassert that we are not questioning Park’s overall narrative or experiences as a survivor. However, given the several discrepancies in her story; that Park was a economics student, not a literature one; that no literature faculty are believed to have attended the 2016 GS orientation; that Austen’s writings are part of Columbia’s core curriculum and GS’s required Masterpieces of Western Literature and Philosophy course; and that it seems highly unlikely that even if they did attend orientation, any faculty or staff would say the alleged quote about Austen, we rate this claim as suspicious.

There you go, Hangook The Red. Prove us wrong. In fact, I'm willing to bet 100,00won that we never get a credible witness account of this story. How about you, Mr. Capitalist? Willing to try and earn some cash?

Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Liechtenstein on June 16, 2021, 12:21:29 pm
큰 야익스

So you'd be happy not seeing any English TV show, any youtube channel, any foreign movie or any English book ever again.
Your choice of food limited to "well, this is available." No more Italian, no more pizza or sushi?

Yeah, sure. I believe you,

Giving up every single thing I've ever enjoyed because of purple haired feminazis to own the libs.


Dude, or dudette, if you have $$ anything and everything is available in the DPRK. Don't kid yourself. As well, I have money and was extrapolating living in Pyeongyang in the same style I live here.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: CO2 on June 16, 2021, 01:09:41 pm


Dude, or dudette, if you have $$ anything and everything is available in the DPRK. Don't kid yourself. As well, I have money and was extrapolating living in Pyeongyang in the same style I live here.

Hello, Mr Kim Jung Un, I'm a Westerner who wants to move into a building in Pyongyang and live exactly like I did in the West I have 100 000$ and am definitely not a spy, please let me in uwu
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 16, 2021, 01:24:36 pm


Dude, or dudette, if you have $$ anything and everything is available in the DPRK. Don't kid yourself. As well, I have money and was extrapolating living in Pyeongyang in the same style I live here.
And there will be zero strings attached. They'll just let you live in peace and not show up from time to time insisting you help them with certain things.

You do realize that the second you access any banned content or black market goods, with their knowledge and tacit approval, you've just given them rope to hang you, right? The second they don't think you're playing ball they'll bust you for all those things. And when you say "But you said it was okay!!" They'll go "I have no idea what you're talking about. North Korean law is very specific and as a member of the Party, I strictly obey the law."

There's a saying: "You don't play boxing" meaning that boxing is a serious thing and if you step into the ring against a real boxer and don't know what you're doing, you could very well leave on a stretcher, maybe alive, maybe dead.

You don't play North Korea.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: CO2 on June 16, 2021, 01:27:37 pm
You don't play North Korea.

No, no you don't understand. Lichtenstein meant he'd live there only if he could have everything his way all the time with no strings attached and he was rich and everyone let him do whatever he wanted. Not in the REAL world.

GAWD YOU'RE SO LITERAL AND LOGICAL, DUH.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Liechtenstein on June 16, 2021, 01:57:37 pm
No, no you don't understand. Lichtenstein meant he'd live there only if he could have everything his way all the time with no strings attached and he was rich and everyone let him do whatever he wanted. Not in the REAL world.

GAWD YOU'RE SO LITERAL AND LOGICAL, DUH.

This is exactly what I meant and it's how the elite live there. Why so down on such a beautiful place?
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: CO2 on June 16, 2021, 02:00:16 pm
This is exactly what I meant and it's how the elite live there. Why so down on such a beautiful place?

I'd rather be a Hollywood millionaire whom people respect and adore around the world than a paedophile from South Sudan who lives in a prison and is in a wheelchair.

Am I doing it right?
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Liechtenstein on June 16, 2021, 02:07:27 pm
I'd rather be a Hollywood millionaire whom people respect and adore around the world than a paedophile from South Sudan who lives in a prison and is in a wheelchair.

Am I doing it right?

Just like Harvey Weinstein. You are doing it perfectly. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: caitlinn on June 16, 2021, 02:10:55 pm
Western woke culture, weird pronouns, critical race conspiracy theory, etc is worse than the most communist countey now.


literally 1969 by george ohwell
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: SPQR on June 16, 2021, 02:33:46 pm
Western woke culture, weird pronouns, critical race conspiracy theory, etc is worse than the most communist countey now.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/north-korean-defector-after-attending-ivy-league-school-even-north-korea-was-not-this-nuts


     Famed North Korean defector Yeonmi Park offered a chilling account of her time at Columbia University, saying that not even North Korea went to the level of brainwashing that she witnessed.
      Like in North Korea, Park said she witnessed example after example of anti-Western sentiment and guilt-tripping. During her orientation, for instance, a staff member scolded her for liking classic literature.
      "Even North Korea is not this nuts,” she added. “North Korea was pretty crazy, but not this crazy.”
      “Because I have seen oppression, I know what it looks like,” she said. “These kids keep saying how they’re oppressed, how much injustice they’ve experienced. They don’t know how hard it is to be free.”
      “I literally crossed through the middle of the Gobi Desert to be free. But what I did was nothing, so many people fought harder than me and didn’t make it,” she added.
Not being able to think critically has real-world consequences on society, noted Park as she recalled her inability to see that leader Kim Jong Un was the fattest man in the country while the people were starving.
      “In North Korea I literally believed that my Dear Leader [Kim Jong-un] was starving,” she said. “He’s the fattest guy – how can anyone believe that? And then somebody showed me a photo and said ‘Look at him, he’s the fattest guy. Other people are all thin.’ And I was like, ‘Oh my God, why did I not notice that he was fat?’ Because I never learned how to think critically.”
      “That is what is happening in America,” she added. “People see things but they’ve just completely lost the ability to think critically.”
Having seen the worst of humanity in North Korea only to witness brainwashing in the United States, Park admitted to feeling quite bitter and hopeless about it all.
      “You guys have lost common sense to degree that I as a North Korean cannot even comprehend,” she said. “Where are we going from here? There’s no rule of law, no morality, nothing is good or bad anymore, it’s complete chaos. I guess that’s what they want, to destroy every single thing and rebuild into a Communist paradise.”

       The Daily Wire is one of America’s fastest-growing conservative media companies and counter-cultural outlets for news, opinion, and entertainment. Get inside access to The Daily Wire by becoming a member.

I'm not sure I agree with this.


*Mod edited as per multiple requests.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 16, 2021, 02:46:37 pm
This is exactly what I meant and it's how the elite live there. Why so down on such a beautiful place?
Having a few hundred k does not mean you have power or protection. You'd have all the power and protection someone in a small yacht would have off the coast of Mogadishu.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: MayorHaggar on June 16, 2021, 03:48:04 pm
In fact, I'd rather live in the DPRK that Canada or the USA these days.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d1/36/e3/d136e3caadf8626842fcf5fb51570a9f.jpg)
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: fka on June 16, 2021, 05:03:44 pm
Hangook, what do you think of my offer (bottom of page 2)?

And while we're at it, let's address this one of your claims:

Quote
My sister's daughter was kept after school for using the wrong pronoun on a kid (and this was elementary school).  Totally messed up.  Though, for now, the parents have had a lot of the power given to them.  School called my sister and tried to rake her daughter over the coals.  My sister told them off and said her daughter said nothing wrong.  She told them off back and grabbed her daughter and walked out on them.  I was pretty proud of them pushing back against the PC trash.  She went back to school the next day and the stupid woke teachers could do nothing.

First you say that they called your sister, then your sister "walked out on them". Not very clear. Did they call her and tell her to come to the school? They kept your niece until your sister came to pick her up?

You say that she was kept after school for "using the wrong pronoun". What was the context? Is this other kid actually transgender? Was your niece speaking directly to the other kid, or speaking about them in the third person?

"She went back to school the next day and the stupid woke teachers could do nothing". This suggests that they had wanted to impose some kind of punishment, but couldn't (for reasons that you don't specify). What was that punishment? In fact, I may be misinterpreting you, but I feel like there's an implication here that they wanted to suspend her, but were too intimidated to do so. Is that the school district's policy? Automatic suspension for use of the wrong pronoun? If not, what are the disciplinary guidelines for use of the wrong pronoun? Does intention matter?

I've looked at the guidelines for transgender and gender nonconforming students published by the Ontario and Alberta boards of education (see below). Neither document contains any mandate about discipline or punishment for students who use the wrong pronouns. So do you think whatever happened was a policy of the school, the school district, or an individual teacher?

https://www.cbe.ab.ca/about-us/school-culture-and-environment/Documents/Guidelines-Attending-Gender-Identity-Gender-Expression-Sexual-Orientation-Schools.pdf (https://www.cbe.ab.ca/about-us/school-culture-and-environment/Documents/Guidelines-Attending-Gender-Identity-Gender-Expression-Sexual-Orientation-Schools.pdf)

https://www.ocdsb.ca/common/pages/DisplayFile.aspx?itemId=1660075 (https://www.ocdsb.ca/common/pages/DisplayFile.aspx?itemId=1660075)
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: gogators! on June 16, 2021, 08:16:33 pm
I’m not a conservative but love this post! Putting a whole group of people into one stereotype is literally against your values am I right?

However, this is does not count for your attacks towards conservative people.

The next voted in US president will be Republican. The Democratic Party is losing touch. I know Christian liberals from California who have voted democrat their whole lives and are now being targeted for being Christian by the woke.

The woke have to stop before it’s too late. Public parks around my city are filled with woke people living on the benches shooting up every night. It’s a shame you can’t even go to the park anymore.

The problem is both sides have to practice what they preach.
This is a very sleepy post.

It's strange how Christianity, as it is often practiced in the US, makes so many of its followers into somnambulists.

Shouldn't you be ministering to the homeless instead of stereotyping them as "woke"?
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 16, 2021, 08:18:26 pm
[quote aut

hor=caitlinn link=topic=122290.msg861674#msg861674 date=1623823855]
literally 1969 by george ohwell
[/quote]

Ah.  Good old fashioned misdirection.  One of the oldest lies in the book.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: gogators! on June 16, 2021, 08:20:30 pm
Well if they are less Communist than my own country and pay me more.  Cause 2.1 mil ain't gonna fund your retirement nor will a just above minimum wage back home. 
So you support unions and raising the minimum wage?

Your lack of initiative is puzzling. It's as if you expect someone other than yourself to do all the heavy lifting so that you can get paid to do a fairly simple job.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 16, 2021, 08:25:03 pm
Hangook, what do you think of my offer (bottom of page 2)?

And while we're at it, let's address this one of your claims:

First you say that they called your sister, then your sister "walked out on them". Not very clear. Did they call her and tell her to come to the school? They kept your niece until your sister came to pick her up?

You say that she was kept after school for "using the wrong pronoun". What was the context? Is this other kid actually transgender? Was your niece speaking directly to the other kid, or speaking about them in the third person?

"She went back to school the next day and the stupid woke teachers could do nothing". This suggests that they had wanted to impose some kind of punishment, but couldn't (for reasons that you don't specify). What was that punishment? In fact, I may be misinterpreting you, but I feel like there's an implication here that they wanted to suspend her, but were too intimidated to do so. Is that the school district's policy? Automatic suspension for use of the wrong pronoun? If not, what are the disciplinary guidelines for use of the wrong pronoun? Does intention matter?

I've looked at the guidelines for transgender and gender nonconforming students published by the Ontario and Alberta boards of education (see below). Neither document contains any mandate about discipline or punishment for students who use the wrong pronouns. So do you think whatever happened was a policy of the school, the school district, or an individual teacher?

https://www.cbe.ab.ca/about-us/school-culture-and-environment/Documents/Guidelines-Attending-Gender-Identity-Gender-Expression-Sexual-Orientation-Schools.pdf (https://www.cbe.ab.ca/about-us/school-culture-and-environment/Documents/Guidelines-Attending-Gender-Identity-Gender-Expression-Sexual-Orientation-Schools.pdf)

https://www.ocdsb.ca/common/pages/DisplayFile.aspx?itemId=1660075 (https://www.ocdsb.ca/common/pages/DisplayFile.aspx?itemId=1660075)

Yeah.  Normally when the school calls the parent they have to go in.  They tried to keep her daughter after school and make her be in trouble with some punishment.  My sister said she did nothing wrong and they left.  Her daughter was back at school the next day no matter how much the libtarded teachers didn't like that.  They were hoping to shame or scold her or something.  But then they went and gave the power to the parents.  So their hands are tied.  Too bad for them.  Boo hoo.  If you can't understand it.  Then I can't help you. 


If they didn't try to make her in trouble they wouldn't have kept her after school while calling her mother would they?  They lose.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 16, 2021, 08:26:57 pm
So you support unions and raising the minimum wage?

Your lack of initiative is puzzling. It's as if you expect someone other than yourself to do all the heavy lifting so that you can get paid to do a fairly simple job.


If I had an F visa I surely would.  In the meantime, I have told my education office and teachers a raise will need to come if they don't want to start losing teachers the next couple of years.


Market force economics.  If someone else is willing to pay more then most people will eventually leave to go work for the employer willing to pay more.  Doesn't take an Einstein to figure that out.  Of course if that other employer collapses then thats a different matter entirely.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: tylerthegloob on June 17, 2021, 07:43:56 am
hangook, im genuinely curious, what did you study in university? i'm sure it wasn't economics
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: L I on June 17, 2021, 07:46:01 am
He majored in business.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: tylerthegloob on June 17, 2021, 07:48:30 am
...what did I study, LI?
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Kyndo on June 17, 2021, 09:15:56 am
...what did I study, LI?
Starcraft.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Savant on June 17, 2021, 10:02:25 am
He majored in business.

Other people's business.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: dippedinblush on June 17, 2021, 10:19:41 am
Other people's business.

LMAO Savant!!!!! :D
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 17, 2021, 10:46:37 am
hangook, im genuinely curious, what did you study in university? i'm sure it wasn't economics

I took business.  Supply and Demand are easy enough concepts though.  When there is a high demand and not enough folks to meet the demand wages and work conditions improve.  If some employers don't meet the required conditions, many or most of the employees leave and go elsewhere because someone else is trying to hire them (with incentives).  A few academies here are getting in on this but also nearby countries are stepping up their competition game too.  Once corona is done we shall see what happens in the next couple of years. 

Ten years ago after the Great Recession there was too much supply of teachers compared to the demand.  So, employers attitudes changed and they started chipping away at perks.  No other country had risen up to challenge yet.  Though many GEPIK and SMOE teachers that were dropped in 2009 and 2010 (and replaced with young attractive North American teachers) went over to China for some easy gigs.  However, the wages were not quite yet at a great point.  I did start hearing around 2012 or 2013 of some larger chain schools like Disney and some others coming close to Korea though you had to still pay your flight and housing.  (Nowadays paid flight and housing is more common there.)  So, Korea was still the best gig in town outside of the Middle East at that time. 

Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: OnNut81 on June 17, 2021, 12:04:37 pm
I took business.  Supply and Demand are easy enough concepts though. 

That's the most astonishing thing I've read ever on this site.  The concept of supply and demand has been simplified and over explained to you on this site countless times, yet you still can't grasp that it is behind the fact wages haven't increased much in the last ten years.  When supply and demand is brought up, you generally accuse the person of being a recruiter, hakwan owner or someone not willing to stand up for themselves.  You discard supply and demand outright as the cause for lower wages.  You're on the record here doing that countless times.  It's long been established that you don't remotely get the concept of supply and demand. 

Man, you need to stop paying off that monstrous debt you incurred from university.  They ripped you off. 
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 17, 2021, 12:48:44 pm
Starcraft.
"What did you learn in college?"
"Build orders"
"Ahh...architecture, engineering, business, and construction"
"Uh....no."
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: tylerthegloob on June 17, 2021, 12:56:20 pm
>send probe
>pylon
>forge
>pylon
>cannon, cannon, cannon GG

probes now demand 100 minerals and threaten to move to china

i switch to zerg
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 17, 2021, 01:02:47 pm
Hangook77 is the ghost of this board. Demands a ton of resources, claims he can blow everything up, always gets found out, never comes through.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 17, 2021, 01:08:12 pm
That's the most astonishing thing I've read ever on this site.  The concept of supply and demand has been simplified and over explained to you on this site countless times, yet you still can't grasp that it is behind the fact wages haven't increased much in the last ten years.  When supply and demand is brought up, you generally accuse the person of being a recruiter, hakwan owner or someone not willing to stand up for themselves.  You discard supply and demand outright as the cause for lower wages.  You're on the record here doing that countless times.  It's long been established that you don't remotely get the concept of supply and demand. 

Man, you need to stop paying off that monstrous debt you incurred from university.  They ripped you off. 

Yes, that's why the Great Recession put a cork in Korea's industry.  There were no other high paying alternatives except for the Middle East with different qualifications.  It's why in 2012, 2014, and 2016, when folks asked for a raise and complained I said nothing.  But most of those kids left and went home or elsewhere.  The last 2 to 3 years and now even more so that China and to a lesser extent Vietnam have risen up to compete.  If Korea doesn;t compete with them and their higher wages or at least savings potential, then in the next couple of years Korea will lose teachers.  Numbers have already gone down.  Supply of teachers too low and demand in Korea still reasonably high.  Moms still want English for their kids.  Understand the environment around you.  If you can't understand it or refuse to, then I can't help you. 
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: CO2 on June 17, 2021, 01:08:55 pm
Hangook77 is the ghost of this board. Demands a ton of resources, claims he can blow everything up, always gets found out, never comes through.
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 17, 2021, 01:09:23 pm
Hangook77 is the ghost of this board. Demands a ton of resources, claims he can blow everything up, always gets found out, never comes through.

Whatever yer smokin' sunny boy, pass it over....
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 17, 2021, 01:10:29 pm
>send probe
>pylon
>forge
>pylon
>cannon, cannon, cannon GG

probes now demand 100 minerals and threaten to move to china

i switch to zerg

If you hate probing, stay out of area 51. 
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 17, 2021, 01:14:16 pm
If you hate probing, stay out of area 51. 
Good one
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 17, 2021, 01:20:55 pm
Save me from it all.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RF9-efhHuE
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: OnNut81 on June 17, 2021, 01:25:49 pm
Understand the environment around you.  If you can't understand it or refuse to, then I can't help you. 

You seem to live in your own private reality.  Covid has obviously had a huge affect on people coming here, but it is an aberration.  If you wouldn't mind (but I know you will) could you then please explain how the abundance of teacher's accepting the 2.1 jobs  out there is something other than a meet up of supply and demand?  You know, the industry destroying issue you've been relentlessly working into every thread you post on?  The demand has been there for these 2.1 jobs from new arrivals so schools haven't been forced to raise the wages.  Do you truly not understand that, or are you just being stubborn and difficult like you are with the "use to" issue?  As someone who apparently majored in business you seem to not grasp that a sound principle of business is to not pay more than you have to.  Schools aren't just going to pay you more because you're still here. You've hit the ceiling.  If you want more go out and make it.  Stop complaining that you are in an industry that doesn't pay the big bucks and has a pay scale with a quickly reachable ceiling.  All your empty threats about going to China are not going to result in your school paying you more.  They just expect you to move on.  You have to face that reality and stop the useless whining on here.  That's all it is from you now.  You can't be taken seriously. 
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 17, 2021, 02:14:04 pm
If you wouldn't mind could you then please explain how the abundance of teacher's accepting the 2.1 jobs  out there is something other than a meet up of supply and demand? 

Ignorance and not knowing what they are worth.  The reality is if lots of other employers are paying 3 to 5 million won a month, then 2.1 million won't attract a whole lot of people long term.  It seems you are unable to grasp it.  Yet you ask me over and over again.  I'd say out of the 5 or so trolls on this site, you get the most offended and triggered if someone points out something better or greater alternatives.  Not sure what psychological issue it is.  What is it about pointing out alternatives that gets you so triggered and riled up?  I mean honstly if you want to work for less, do so.  What do I care?  But why do you feel the need to troll and argue repeatedly?  Is there something wrong?  Did I knock you out of your comfort zone or something?  I mean honestly, it's not like I ever PMed you telling you to take other jobs?  Geeze, get over yourself, mac!
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: hangook77 on June 17, 2021, 02:14:52 pm
I need saving from up above.  Maybe he got probed too. 
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Aristocrat on June 17, 2021, 02:56:00 pm
Yes, that's why the Great Recession put a cork in Korea's industry.  There were no other high paying alternatives except for the Middle East with different qualifications.  It's why in 2012, 2014, and 2016, when folks asked for a raise and complained I said nothing.  But most of those kids left and went home or elsewhere.  The last 2 to 3 years and now even more so that China and to a lesser extent Vietnam have risen up to compete.  If Korea doesn;t compete with them and their higher wages or at least savings potential, then in the next couple of years Korea will lose teachers.  Numbers have already gone down.  Supply of teachers too low and demand in Korea still reasonably high.  Moms still want English for their kids.  Understand the environment around you.  If you can't understand it or refuse to, then I can't help you. 

I'm confident that if you took all the time and effort you've spent bitching about more money for position requiring an entry level bachelors degree over 15 damn years, you'd have a damn PHD by now and would be earning big bucks at some cushy university gig.

I arrived in 2014 and I, like many of us, spent the first year or two blowing money like a fool (no my parents weren't rich, I had expensive hobbies and liked travelling). It took 2yrs and a good woman by my side to get my head straight and think smarter with my money. 2yrs and I consider that long. After 15yrs it's not Korea's fault that you STILL haven't got your financial sh*t together and you studied business?!

The reason you keep getting renewed is that you're a predictable element in the education system. There's value in being predictable and there's some value to you, but not so much that you can't be easily replaced if you become anything more than mildly annoying to your school and/or POE.

If you're not willing to be at peace with this arrangement then improving your qualifications is the next logical step.

With better qualifications, you can demand more money.
Without qualifications, you can beg for more money.

It is only the most miserable underachievers that find themselves trapped by their inability to accept responsibility for their own poor choices and spend all day criticising/blaming others.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: OnNut81 on June 17, 2021, 03:12:04 pm
Ignorance and not knowing what they are worth.  The reality is if lots of other employers are paying 3 to 5 million won a month, then 2.1 million won't attract a whole lot of people long term.  It seems you are unable to grasp it.  Yet you ask me over and over again.  I'd say out of the 5 or so trolls on this site, you get the most offended and triggered if someone points out something better or greater alternatives.  Not sure what psychological issue it is.  What is it about pointing out alternatives that gets you so triggered and riled up?  I mean honstly if you want to work for less, do so.  What do I care?  But why do you feel the need to troll and argue repeatedly?  Is there something wrong?  Did I knock you out of your comfort zone or something?  I mean honestly, it's not like I ever PMed you telling you to take other jobs?  Geeze, get over yourself, mac!

I love how when you get triggered your default mode is to start calling me triggered.  My response was measured and on point.  Your response is a typical rambling tirade that says nothing and just repeats itself.  When we are talking about jobs being able to pay 2.1 we are not talking about jobs in China.  There are not lots of jobs paying ESL instructors 5 million won a month in Korea. Are you actually being serious when you refer to "lots" of jobs that pay that?  Because if that were true, people would be seeing all those high paying job offers and obviously would not go with a 2.1 starting wage. There are people that want to come to Korea.  In Korea, the supply and demand mechanism is keeping wages low.  It IS that simple.  And should be simple to understand.  You can't seem to grasp that there are people who are looking to come to Korea specifically, and as adults, must deal with the realities of the local job market. Why do you get triggered when I try to help by explaining these issues that confound you?  A thank you would be nice. 

Now, you don't come across as the brightest bulb in the bunch, but even you can't think that by constantly regurgitating the same message you're diverting people away from Korea and as a result are going to drive up your value here.  Or do you?  I mean it's clear you don't really want to leave. 
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: CO2 on June 17, 2021, 03:24:34 pm
Now, you don't come across as the brightest bulb in the bunch, but even you can't think that by constantly regurgitating the same message you're diverting people away from Korea and as a result are going to drive up your value here.  Or do you?  I mean it's clear you don't really want to leave. 

Any Kitchen Nightmares fans here?

(https://i.imgflip.com/5dklbb.jpg)
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: OnNut81 on June 17, 2021, 03:27:56 pm
Any Kitchen Nightmares fans here?

(https://i.imgflip.com/5dkkv8.jpg)

Nice,  that couple were legendary.  I liked that show along with Hotel Hell more than Hell's Kitchen. 
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: CO2 on June 17, 2021, 03:28:45 pm
Nice,  that couple were legendary.  I liked that show along with Hotel Hell more than Hell's Kitchen. 

Oh totally, when it comes to HK vs Nightmares, Nightmares is 20x better.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: gogators! on June 18, 2021, 02:39:44 am
Yeah.  Normally when the school calls the parent they have to go in.  They tried to keep her daughter after school and make her be in trouble with some punishment.  My sister said she did nothing wrong and they left.  Her daughter was back at school the next day no matter how much the libtarded teachers didn't like that.  They were hoping to shame or scold her or something.  But then they went and gave the power to the parents.  So their hands are tied.  Too bad for them.  Boo hoo.  If you can't understand it.  Then I can't help you. 


If they didn't try to make her in trouble they wouldn't have kept her after school while calling her mother would they?  They lose.
"make her in trouble"--are you a native French speaker by any chance? Is that why you can't find a better paying job in SK?
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: caitlinn on June 18, 2021, 09:09:07 am
Ah.  Good old fashioned misdirection.  One of the oldest lies in the book.

actually it was a meme easy mistake to make
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Liechtenstein on June 21, 2021, 07:59:03 am
I'm confident that if you took all the time and effort you've spent bitching about more money for position requiring an entry level bachelors degree over 15 damn years, you'd have a damn PHD by now and would be earning big bucks at some cushy university gig.

I arrived in 2014 and I, like many of us, spent the first year or two blowing money like a fool (no my parents weren't rich, I had expensive hobbies and liked travelling). It took 2yrs and a good woman by my side to get my head straight and think smarter with my money. 2yrs and I consider that long. After 15yrs it's not Korea's fault that you STILL haven't got your financial sh*t together and you studied business?!

The reason you keep getting renewed is that you're a predictable element in the education system. There's value in being predictable and there's some value to you, but not so much that you can't be easily replaced if you become anything more than mildly annoying to your school and/or POE.

If you're not willing to be at peace with this arrangement then improving your qualifications is the next logical step.

With better qualifications, you can demand more money.
Without qualifications, you can beg for more money.

It is only the most miserable underachievers that find themselves trapped by their inability to accept responsibility for their own poor choices and spend all day criticising/blaming others.

While I agree to a point with the last sentence here, it is harsh. There are a lot of African-Americans in the USA that would beg to differ.

The answers to profound problems are never facile, despite our (my) best efforts to make them so.
Title: Re: Woke western culture is now worse than Communism.
Post by: Aristocrat on June 21, 2021, 08:31:57 am
While I agree to a point with the last sentence here, it is harsh. There are a lot of African-Americans in the USA that would beg to differ.

The answers to profound problems are never facile, despite our (my) best efforts to make them so.

The inability to accept responsibility for one's failures or shortcomings is a clear sign of emotional insecurity/immaturity or Narcissistic Personality Disorder, as the inability to accept responsibility is a major symptom. We all possess some degree of narcism or insecurity, but when it becomes debilitating and/or dominates a big part of your life then you have issues.

I'm not going to single out a race of people, but those who live near the poverty line tend to have rough upbringings and/or circumstances. This greatly affects one's mental development and maturity. I will say that I believe mental issues are FAR more common and widespread, particularly in poorer communities.