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Symposium => "Open" Discussions => Topic started by: L I on June 09, 2021, 02:05:08 pm

Title: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: L I on June 09, 2021, 02:05:08 pm
The more of us uploading, the better the content will become.

What's the number of NETs in the public school system? Ten years ago it was 11k. Now how many? 5k? 4k? 3k? One percent of that is 50, 40, 30, but the number of those uploading to waygook.org is less than this. It's hardly anyone. What's the number of people who have ever worked in a South Korean public school vs. the number who have ever uploaded? What's the number who have ever downloaded a lesson vs. those who have ever uploaded a lesson (on this or any other site)? 100 to 1? Even more skewed? Why is this? Why are so few contributing? If you really care about helping others - both NETs and students alike- the most useful thing you can do on this site is upload materials. That's why the site was created.

There's a book for which I am seemingly the only person in Korea putting material online. Which is a shame. One hundred people uploading one lesson would be more interesting than one person uploading one hundred lessons. More variety. Not every person's work will be optimal in different circumstances because of variance in class size, class dynamics, and other factors. The more uploads, the greater number of gems will emerge.

A good starting point is to choose your best lesson(s) - maybe something you did for an open class - and click the upload button. Your contribution will be much appreciated.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: tylerthegloob on June 09, 2021, 02:06:09 pm
it's the paywall
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: CO2 on June 09, 2021, 02:06:46 pm
I don't have paypal or a credit card so I can't pay waygook for their content subscription.

It's nice to say "Oh, yeah, do it for the greater good" and that's not wrong, but....... I would share to also browse others stuff but I can't.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: thunderlips on June 09, 2021, 02:21:47 pm
What posting my lessons and then being blocked from the others wasn’t fair enough????!
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: L I on June 09, 2021, 02:28:33 pm
There’s quite a few users who just use this site to download lessons, but don’t post (or upload) at all. Maybe that’s most? I’d guess yes. Even before the paywall, most who were downloading had never uploaded, and to a very lopsided degree.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: OnNut81 on June 09, 2021, 02:30:41 pm
There were 11,000 NETS in Korea at one point?  I knew there used to be a lot more but had no idea there had been that many at one point. 

Anyways, where is the incentive when there are multiple free sites that post materials for the Korean school books?  Why pay if it's free elsewhere?

Also, those periodic postings along the lines "Hey, I paid for a membership and it isn't activated and no one will help me" followed by "Hey, I left Korea a year ago and am still being charged by Waygook.  No one will respond to my queries" don't help. 

Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: hangook77 on June 09, 2021, 02:41:38 pm
The more of us uploading, the better the content will become.

What's the number of NETs in the public school system? Ten years ago it was 11k. Now how many? 5k? 4k? 3k? One percent of that is 50, 40, 30, but the number of those uploading to waygook.org is less than this. It's hardly anyone. What's the number of people who have ever worked in a South Korean public school vs. the number who have ever uploaded? What's the number who have ever downloaded a lesson vs. those who have ever uploaded a lesson (on this or any other site)? 100 to 1? Even more skewed? Why is this? Why are so few contributing? If you really care about helping others - both NETs and students alike- the most useful thing you can do on this site is upload materials. That's why the site was created.

There's a book for which I am seemingly the only person in Korea putting material online. Which is a shame. One hundred people uploading one lesson would be more interesting than one person uploading one hundred lessons. More variety. Not every person's work will be optimal in different circumstances because of variance in class size, class dynamics, and other factors. The more uploads, the greater number of gems will emerge.

A good starting point is to choose your best lesson(s) - maybe something you did for an open class - and click the upload button. Your contribution will be much appreciated.

There's lots of selfish people on here.  Takers but not givers.  There always will be.  I did still uploading the past couple of years more than I ever had before.  When I was in Middle School I rarely came here as I didn't like the few lessons that were uploaded here.  As for Elementary when I changed over a few years back, when the text books changed, I decided to make my own games based on previous books and activities and I shared.  But I did take some down.  There were also tons of long term members who were removed back in 2017 or 2018 for no reason and no explanation given.  Just banned and IP addresses blocked.  So, that made me suspicious recently.  So, I removed some.  But whoever modifies the site now seems not so extreme.  I am gradually reposing some material. 

This website should also allow Korean bank account transfers alongside paypal and others. 
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: L I on June 09, 2021, 02:46:11 pm
There's lots of selfish people on here.  Takers but not givers.  There always will be.

But we’re teachers. We should strive to help others. That’s what teaching is - a helping profession.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: L I on June 09, 2021, 02:51:22 pm
Anyways, where is the incentive when there are multiple free sites that post materials for the Korean school books?  Why pay if it's free elsewhere?

Has anyone seen this book elsewhere?

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=120227

I haven’t.

Waygook is the only spot as far as I know.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: hangook77 on June 09, 2021, 03:00:34 pm
Has anyone seen this book elsewhere?

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=120227

I haven’t.

Waygook is the only spot as far as I know.

Well, I applaud you.  If I ever go back to Middle School, I would take some of my elementary templates but make it more challenging of course.  Scrambled words review good ice breaker second class in unit.  Telepathy game could be used too.  Some speaking games.  Pass the ball by using no ball and calling student number instead.  Some group or team games like Tom and Jerry or Avengers, etc.  (But those last two are the most work to make.)  Standing and each student or team doing reading hidden stars games (or similar games) could be useful in middle school.  Occasional writing assignment of some sort you could make up too (If a higher level) especially funny writing.  These could be good ideas to try. 
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: OnNut81 on June 09, 2021, 03:03:30 pm
But we’re teachers. We should strive to help others. That’s what teaching is - a helping profession.

Says you.  I teach because my girlfriend wears the pants in the relationship and this is the only opportunity I have to boss people around.  Also, I crave attention and the students say things like "Teacher is so handsome" and it feeds my self-esteem.  I know I shouldn't brag.  Not everyone here gets that kind of royal treatment from the students, but I really think they like me.  I'm probably the best teacher in Korea.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: tylerthegloob on June 09, 2021, 03:09:25 pm
some people dont like cloud services, some people don't like paying for free things. to each their own!
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: CO2 on June 09, 2021, 03:12:27 pm
I use the pink, blue and purple DongAChulPan books (in that order) for Middle School and I have NEVER seen a lesson plan section for them in the last two years.

I'm under the impression that I'm the ONLY teacher on the penisula to use them.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: L I on June 09, 2021, 03:16:49 pm
Have you ever uploaded a PowerPoint or other usable teaching material to any site? No? That puts you in the overwhelming majority. Almost all who have downloaded have never uploaded. ㅠ ㅠ
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: hangook77 on June 09, 2021, 03:17:29 pm
Has anyone seen this book elsewhere?

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=120227

I haven’t.

Waygook is the only spot as far as I know.

Recheck that link.  I submitted a couple of templates you can edit if you wish and use in Middle.  Or not use.   

I don't even teach Middle School nowadays.  SMOE most teachers only do Elementary.  GEPIK maybe too, but less sure there?  So, most teachers here will be Elementary School and not Middle?  Some folks in my town do Middle and some of us do Elementary.  I have done Elementary the last few years.  Elementary has far more uploads and games and activities.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: AlivePoet on June 10, 2021, 07:50:18 am
I used to upload materials pretty regularly. I created some pretty good PPT review games (Sonic game, World Cup soccer game, KIA Tigers baseball game) writing games (hotel memory game, lucky sentence). Many more as well, in addition to uploading new PPTs for 3rd/4th/5th/6th grade Cheonjae/Daegyo textbooks around the 2012-2017 timeframe.

It's true that right around the time the paywall came into play that I quit. All good for me though, I just focused on personal development rather than uploading/making new games in my deskwarming time.

Anyway, if you dig into my post history you'll find all of my lesson plans/games. Just because new stuff isn't being posted doesn't mean you can't mine from the quality materials from past years/textbooks and adjust the vocab/expressions accordingly.

EDIT:  Just click my profile, click "Show Posts" and then click "Attachments." You'll find all of my uploads that way.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: waygo0k on June 10, 2021, 10:15:32 am
I spent hundreds (possibly thousands) of hours of my own time, headache and sweat making my class materials.

No way I'm putting it online or even giving anyone it for free, though I wouldn't mind doing a teachers-pay-teachers type of exchange where waygook.org gets a cut of each transaction.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: tylerthegloob on June 10, 2021, 10:47:41 am
I spent hundreds (possibly thousands) of hours of my own time, headache and sweat making my class materials.

No way I'm putting it online or even giving anyone it for free, though I wouldn't mind doing a teachers-pay-teachers type of exchange where waygook.org gets a cut of each transaction.
yeah i think that model would be much better than the ones that currently exists
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: L I on July 19, 2021, 12:27:51 pm
Realistically, no one’s gonna pay you for your PPTs, and if they did, it wouldn’t be much.

Because you worked hard on your materials, you won’t share them with others?

Shouldn’t it be the opposite line of thinking- “I’ve worked hard on this so I’d like it to be used / seen / learned by thousands of students rather than just those in my school.”

Teaching is about helping. As many as we can, as much as we can. We want to make the world a better place.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: hangook77 on July 20, 2021, 08:33:43 am
some people dont like cloud services, some people don't like paying for free things. to each their own!

Well, if 20 bucks really breaks your back, then more power to ya.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: hangook77 on July 20, 2021, 08:39:08 am
Realistically, no one’s gonna pay you for your PPTs, and if they did, it wouldn’t be much.

Because you worked hard on your materials, you won’t share them with others?

Shouldn’t it be the opposite line of thinking- “I’ve worked hard on this so I’d like it to be used / seen / learned by thousands of students rather than just those in my school.”

Teaching is about helping. As many as we can, as much as we can. We want to make the world a better place.

I often found ppts to be mediocre back in the day so rarely used them.  I only occasionally found one to be stellar.  So, when I switched over to elementary from middle school a few years back and the textbooks changed, I had no choice but to use my own or make them.  I took templates from past books and had to reinvent them quite a bit.  I also got sent around to other schools and got other textbooks and asked why there wasn't much materials on these books.  So, I posted a few materials then found some others got into the act of contributing.  It is my hope when the new books come out again, that others will pay it forward.  I shared for these current books, but doubt I will for the next books.  Others will have to take mine and others materials and pay it forward.  I hope this will be the case.  I may share a few things, but I won't share very much. 

I was as I said, seriously underwhelmed by what I saw off this site before. 
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: tylerthegloob on July 20, 2021, 10:39:40 am
Well, if 20 bucks really breaks your back, then more power to ya.
oh man that is rich coming from you lol. if cloud services really break your back (?) then more power to ya!
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on July 20, 2021, 11:22:05 am
Not criticizing anyone specific with this, but I think the best way to get people hooked is to give them a taste, Then you start charging for your bags.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: Mr C on July 20, 2021, 11:26:45 am
I often found ppts to be mediocre back in the day so rarely used them.  I only occasionally found one to be stellar.  So, when I switched over to elementary from middle school a few years back and the textbooks changed, I had no choice but to use my own or make them.  I took templates from past books and had to reinvent them quite a bit.  I also got sent around to other schools and got other textbooks and asked why there wasn't much materials on these books.  So, I posted a few materials then found some others got into the act of contributing.  It is my hope when the new books come out again, that others will pay it forward.  I shared for these current books, but doubt I will for the next books.  Others will have to take mine and others materials and pay it forward.  I hope this will be the case.  I may share a few things, but I won't share very much. 

I was as I said, seriously underwhelmed by what I saw off this site before. 

You got here in Sept 2017.  This is at the time the paywall went up and almost all the top contributors pulled their materials off the website.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: waygo0k on July 20, 2021, 12:51:45 pm
Realistically, no one’s gonna pay you for your PPTs, and if they did, it wouldn’t be much.

Because you worked hard on your materials, you won’t share them with others?

Shouldn’t it be the opposite line of thinking- “I’ve worked hard on this so I’d like it to be used / seen / learned by thousands of students rather than just those in my school.”

Teaching is about helping. As many as we can, as much as we can. We want to make the world a better place.

People are paying me for my PPTs though. That's why I make them in the first place.

Teaching is about helping, sure. I'm more than happy to help with things like advice, teaching/admin experiences, classroom management etc...but my work, which I spent hundreds/thousands of my non-working hours making, should be compensated.

It's like those part time jobs that want to only pay you for the time you'll be teaching...but somehow still expect materials to be prepared and work to be graded.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: L I on July 27, 2021, 08:56:28 am
You mean you’re being paid via tax money?

How about going beyond specified duties at little to no cost to yourself? (Doesn’t take a big amount of time to upload files.)

You feel you should be additionally compensated, therefore you’re not going to share?

And because you put in hard work you won’t share?

The reality is you’re not going to be paid by a website or other teachers, so why not put it out into the universe to be used and enjoyed by others?

With the additional time freed up, teachers can make more materials and better the curriculum, uploading more materials. A few might do that… hopefully…
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: waygo0k on July 27, 2021, 09:13:51 am
You mean you’re being paid via tax money?

A mixture of tax and private money. The people who paid me to make my PPTs have those PPTs. Simple as.

How about going beyond specified duties at little to no cost to yourself? (Doesn’t take a big amount of time to upload files.)


That's where "I'm more than happy to help with things like advice, teaching/admin experiences, classroom management etc" comes in.

You feel you should be additionally compensated, therefore you’re not going to share? 

And because you put in hard work you won’t share? 


Errr...yeah

The reality is you’re not going to be paid by a website or other teachers, so why not put it out into the universe to be used and enjoyed by others?


Yet, somehow teachers pay teachers is an actual thing. Where teachers actually pay teachers for...teaching materials.

Not only that, I also get to get paid for my private lessons...whuch I use, wait for it, the teaching materials I laboured so much to prepare!

So much for people not paying.

With the additional time freed up, teachers can make more materials and better the curriculum, uploading more materials. A few might do that… hopefully…

And all that could still be achieved if teachers get paid for the materials they produce.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: L I on July 27, 2021, 09:18:30 am
You think if people used your PPTs when teaching privates that’d cut into your business? Seems unlikely. People on this site teach at public schools and don’t do privates. (Exceptions are rare.)
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: OnNut81 on July 27, 2021, 09:22:26 am
You think if people used your PPTs when teaching privates that’d cut into your business? Seems unlikely. People on this site teach at public schools and don’t do privates. (Exceptions are rare.)

Yeah, real rare. 
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: L I on July 27, 2021, 09:25:52 am
I’ve never done privates while teaching at a public school. Our contract says not to; it’s illegal. You think it’s common? What percentage of us are doing it?
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: Adel on July 27, 2021, 09:30:22 am
When I last taught in Korea often more than half of my income came from teaching privates. My Uni contract didn't give me permission but it was routinely ignored. We just used to rephrase it as consultation, when Korean co-teachers approached me to teach their kids. It wasn't illegal as I was on an F series visa, it could've been in breach of contract but no-one gave a rats.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: Chinguetti on July 27, 2021, 09:44:10 am
But we’re teachers. We should strive to help others. That’s what teaching is - a helping profession.

But that doesn't entail letting others take advantage of them, either. There were a ton of people constantly posting stuff up on waygook, but they took their business elsewhere after waygook put up the paywall because they basically saw the action as an unethical attempt to profit off the free materials that other people have made. Even though excuses were given for this, a lot of the actions that followed the paywall didn't really make sense in regard to them. They only make sense from a profit-standpoint.

So even though there are ways around the paywall, a lot of users became disillusioned with the site in general and abandoned it altogether while other users went on to create different sites for posting materials. For the ones who left for other sites, though, this disillusionment kind of followed them so that none of these sites are anywhere near as active as waygook used to be. Now most people I know share their materials via shared chatroom drives or with people they know irl.

Waygook still has a lot of resources posted by users who've long left Korea, though, users who never deleted their content because they weren't around when shit hit the fan. It's just a little outdated, nothing a little time and effort can't fix as long as you don't mind paying to access those materials.

For me personally, I am currently sharing my materials with others. I'm just not uploading them online atm. I was actually waiting to post all of my materials once I'm ready to leave Korea since most of it can identify me irl, and I guess I still plan to, but it won't be on waygook.org.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: Mr C on July 27, 2021, 10:18:36 am
But that doesn't entail letting others take advantage of them, either. There were a ton of people constantly posting stuff up on waygook, but they took their business elsewhere after waygook put up the paywall because they basically saw the action as an unethical attempt to profit off the free materials that other people have made. Even though excuses were given for this, a lot of the actions that followed the paywall didn't really make sense in regard to them. They only make sense from a profit-standpoint.

So even though there are ways around the paywall, a lot of users became disillusioned with the site in general and abandoned it altogether while other users went on to create different sites for posting materials. For the ones who left for other sites, though, this disillusionment kind of followed them so that none of these sites are anywhere near as active as waygook used to be. Now most people I know share their materials via shared chatroom drives or with people they know irl.

Waygook still has a lot of resources posted by users who've long left Korea, though, users who never deleted their content because they weren't around when shit hit the fan. It's just a little outdated, nothing a little time and effort can't fix as long as you don't mind paying to access those materials.

For me personally, I am currently sharing my materials with others. I'm just not uploading them online atm. I was actually waiting to post all of my materials once I'm ready to leave Korea since most of it can identify me irl, and I guess I still plan to, but it won't be on waygook.org.

For me, I first only deleted my materials that were copyright problems--when the site was free to use, the educational use exception would prevent most problems, perhaps at worst at C&D.  But Walt Disney is extremely litigious, so I pulled down anything Disney, Marvel, Star Wars etc etc.  Then the folks in charge here got all shirty and behaved like complete jerks, so i took everything down, and have relocated to hosting site that is free for users up and down.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: L I on July 27, 2021, 10:28:13 am
I was actually waiting to post all of my materials once I'm ready to leave Korea since most of it can identify me irl, and I guess I still plan to, but it won't be on waygook.org.

How about posting the stuff without identifiers?

Putting it out there sooner than later is better because of Murphy’s Law, plus it’s more time for people to use it, meaning more uses, which would be a greater overall benefit to students and teachers.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: CO2 on July 27, 2021, 10:34:27 am
I don't help because I'm a cruel, spiteful person and I hate all of you except CO4 and Chimp.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: waygo0k on July 27, 2021, 10:37:23 am
You think if people used your PPTs when teaching privates that’d cut into your business? Seems unlikely. People on this site teach at public schools and don’t do privates. (Exceptions are rare.)

I  never said that.

I just want to be compensated for my time and effort.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: tylerthegloob on July 27, 2021, 10:38:07 am
Putting it out there sooner than later is better because of Murphy’s Law
excuse me?

also, the world would be a better place if everyone did everything on a volunteer basis and we all shared the fruits of each other's hard work and labor. unfortunately, that's not the world we live in. you get yours, i get mine, and the dude abides
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: Chinguetti on July 27, 2021, 10:44:23 am
For me, I first only deleted my materials that were copyright problems--when the site was free to use, the educational use exception would prevent most problems, perhaps at worst at C&D.  But Walt Disney is extremely litigious, so I pulled down anything Disney, Marvel, Star Wars etc etc.  Then the folks in charge here got all shirty and behaved like complete jerks, so i took everything down, and have relocated to hosting site that is free for users up and down.

Yeah, I remember all of that. Instead of addressing everyone's concerns, the go-to was to tell them to leave if they didn't like it. So they did, lmao.

I love all of your materials, btw.  :angel:

Chinguetti,

How about posting the stuff without identifiers?

Putting it out there sooner than later is better because of Murphy’s Law, plus it’s more time for people to use it, meaning more uses, which would be a greater overall benefit to students and teachers.

I didn't just copy and paste what I found out and about, I made everything in my own style, so it isn't about names and pictures in my materials. Much of it is original content. That means if you've ever seen any of my presentations or lessons before, you'd know it was me, even without any identifiers being plugged in.

Aside from that, my shit isn't going to grandly change another person's teaching ability or lessons. My stuff is only unique in how I designed them, so you can find other similar resources out there. It just won't have my personal flare.

Plus, I have zero motivation to create additional google accounts just to upload all of my content atm. It would take forever to upload and to organize, and all of that can wait for when I'm in cleaning-out-my-desk mode.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: L I on July 27, 2021, 10:45:42 am
I just want to be compensated for my time and effort.

You already are being compensated. So why not give a gift to others? It’s a matter of efficiency. You know how globalization made the world a better place through specialization and exchange of ideas? Same type of deal here. The wheel won’t have to keep being reinvented and made. We can save other people time.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: Chinguetti on July 27, 2021, 11:04:03 am
L I, man, there ARE other sites out there, lol. Waygook is no longer the center hub for ESL in Korea resources anymore.

Have you visited these other sites? Do you know of them?
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: OnNut81 on July 27, 2021, 11:08:38 am
You already are being compensated. So why not give a gift to others? It’s a matter of efficiency. You know how globalization made the world a better place through specialization and exchange of ideas? Same type of deal here. The wheel won’t have to keep being reinvented and made. We can save other people time.

Why exactly are you harping on this?  As Mr. C pointed out he just moved his boatload of quality of materials to other free sites where it's readily available.  Others have done the same.  There is no shortage of good prepared materials as well as excellent templates to build on out there already.  And that poster here put up a link to her awesome Tay's Teaching Toolkit template site.  I'm not taking a side, I'm just wondering why with so many people still throwing up free stuff on other sites you're so invested in them putting it here. 
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: L I on July 27, 2021, 11:11:13 am
Tell us about the other sites.

Not many as a percentage of teachers are uploading to other sites either from what I’ve seen.

Those downloading but not uploading far exceed those who do both.

If more people contributed- anywhere- the available materials would become better.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: L I on July 27, 2021, 11:18:23 am
At the middle school level, I’m not seeing loads of good materials, at least for the books I’m using.

If more than a very small number contributed on all levels, we’d have way better stuff.

Remember, there are thousands of public school teachers. Past and present, SO many. How many uploaders? Comparatively few. A very small percentage.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: OnNut81 on July 27, 2021, 11:19:22 am
Tell us about the other sites.

Not many as a percentage of teachers are uploading to other sites either from what I’ve seen.

Those downloading but not uploading far exceed those who do both.

If more people contributed- anywhere- the available materials would become better.

I gave you the info you could google to find the one, but one of the main other ones is not permitted to be typed here.  I have never been behind the paywall here and still find troves of lessons specific to our books.  Lots of people still uploading good stuff.  Got to search. 
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: Chinguetti on July 27, 2021, 11:35:45 am
Tell us about the other sites.

Not many as a percentage of teachers are uploading to other sites either from what I’ve seen.

Those downloading but not uploading far exceed those who do both.

If more people contributed- anywhere- the available materials would become better.

I mean, this has always been the case, even before the paywall. The majority of English teachers in Korea don't make their own content. They download, borrow and modify from what's already available, and the majority of content being uploaded then AND now is just modified content that someone else had already created and uploaded. For original content, it's always been about some major contributors with a few smaller ones uploading some of the time.

Most people just aren't aware of that, and I see users getting praised for content that they didn't actually create all the time, even when the original threads showcasing the original content creators still exist, lol. You just need to dig and search, like OneNut says. There's a ton of quality material out there. You just won't find them all on this site anymore.

One of the sites is k0rsh4r3. Just google it, but replace the numbers with the vowel letters that look closest to them. It should be the top hit. And then there's Mr. C's site as well. There's a couple of others ones but I don't remember what they are, if anyone wants to drop a hint about them.

I'd also suggest creating a kakaotalk account if you haven't already, and joining a bunch of teachers group chats. Many of them have shared drives that members are always uploading into.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: OnNut81 on July 27, 2021, 11:43:24 am
https://www.taysteachingtoolkit.com/   

This was posted in the lesson plan forums here, so I assume it's acceptable.  Fantastic templates.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: hangook77 on July 27, 2021, 11:47:06 am
At the middle school level, I’m not seeing loads of good materials, at least for the books I’m using.

If more than a very small number contributed on all levels, we’d have way better stuff.

Remember, there are thousands of public school teachers. Past and present, SO many. How many uploaders? Comparatively few. A very small percentage.

Nowadays most are in elementary school?  Seoul SMOE is only elementary school?  GEPIK too?  The rest of EPIK is middle school and elementary school.  We also had High School up until 5 years ago. 
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: Chinguetti on July 27, 2021, 12:03:50 pm
Also want to add that while you might struggle finding content for your own books, many of the books for certain grade levels are incredibly similar, enough so that you can just adapt any content you find for them to fit your own book lessons.

That's what I had to do my first year. The books my own school was using weren't popular, so it was really difficult finding content tailored specifically for them. I ended up just looking around at content made for other books, and adapted them. My original ppts were very much a Frankenstein hodge podge of several different ppts I'd found here and there, until I learned my own way around Microsoft Office enough to start making my own crap.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: OnNut81 on July 27, 2021, 12:08:10 pm
Also want to add that while you might struggle finding content for your own books, many of the books for certain grade levels are incredibly similar, enough so that you can just adapt any content you find for them to fit your own book lessons.

That's what I had to do my first year. The books my own school was using weren't popular, so it was really difficult finding content tailored specifically for them. I ended up just looking around at content made for other books, and adapted them. My original ppts were very much a Frankenstein hodge podge of several different ppts I'd found here and there, until I learned my own way around Microsoft Office enough to start making my own crap.

Yeah, sometimes I find materials that are "my" book specific and I don't need to change things (although if my students ever see Mr. C walking around they might start thinking "How do I know that guy?") but often it's taking the template for activities someone else with loads better ppt skills made and and adapting it to my lessons. 
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: hangook77 on July 27, 2021, 12:24:27 pm
Also want to add that while you might struggle finding content for your own books, many of the books for certain grade levels are incredibly similar, enough so that you can just adapt any content you find for them to fit your own book lessons.

That's what I had to do my first year. The books my own school was using weren't popular, so it was really difficult finding content tailored specifically for them. I ended up just looking around at content made for other books, and adapted them. My original ppts were very much a Frankenstein hodge podge of several different ppts I'd found here and there, until I learned my own way around Microsoft Office enough to start making my own crap.

Pretty much.  Cheonje is the most popular in middle school and in elementary.  In midle there are others but I forget which other ones I came across once in a while.  Elementary is mostly Cheonje but less so and quite a bit of Daekyo and only slightly YBM.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: Mr C on July 27, 2021, 04:14:40 pm
Yeah, sometimes I find materials that are "my" book specific and I don't need to change things (although if my students ever see Mr. C walking around they might start thinking "How do I know that guy?") but often it's taking the template for activities someone else with loads better ppt skills made and and adapting it to my lessons. 

Oh, dear.  For the record, it's okay to replace pictures of me with pictures of you.  I just ask you keep the "by Mr. C" attribution if you share it with someone.
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: hangook77 on July 27, 2021, 09:01:59 pm
Most of my stuff was taken from other templates and repurposed of course. 
Title: Re: The most helpful thing you can do on this site is upload lessons
Post by: L I on August 18, 2021, 12:44:41 pm
I don't have paypal or a credit card so I can't pay waygook for their content subscription.

Use your Korean checking/debit card. (Barriers to payment would be a bad business model; I did that method, it worked, give it a try.) If you still don't have success, ask your Korean girlfriend or other Korean in your life to pay with their card then give them cash.

Where there's a will, there's a way.