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Title: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: OnNut81 on April 28, 2021, 10:14:30 am
I can't remember having Labour Day fall on a Saturday before.  My school is closing the third and fourth before Children's Day so I have to use vacation days if I want them off, but I was thinking with Labour Day falling on Saturday I could get the Monday in compensation.  What's your school doing next week?
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: L I on April 28, 2021, 10:17:34 am
You have to use vacation days when the school closes?

Otherwise come in (and be the only teacher in the building)?
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: thunderlips on April 28, 2021, 10:26:09 am
I get to use two days vacation for the 3rd and 4th. I now have 2 days of vacation for summer, yay!!
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: L I on April 28, 2021, 10:27:52 am
What will you do for your summer vacation? Travel to Seoul?
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: thunderlips on April 28, 2021, 10:53:45 am
What will you do for your summer vacation? Travel to Seoul?

Take two Fridays off I suppose, ????
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: pkjh on April 28, 2021, 11:05:53 am
Lucky punks.

Monday, and Tuesday, both work days for me.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: OnNut81 on April 28, 2021, 11:45:55 am
You have to use vacation days when the school closes?

Otherwise come in (and be the only teacher in the building)?

I'm considering it.  I have the option but it depends on the weather.  I'm pretty sure I won't be vaccinated by the time summer vacation rolls around so I don't need to hoard my days.  I was just wondering if because the day off falls on Saturday if any school gave it to anyone on the Monday.  This is the first year I've been subjected to the 26 vacation days when you have to use one when the school makes the decision to close. 
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: D.L.Orean on April 28, 2021, 12:13:01 pm
I'm considering it.  I have the option but it depends on the weather.  I'm pretty sure I won't be vaccinated by the time summer vacation rolls around so I don't need to hoard my days. I was just wondering if because the day off falls on Saturday if any school gave it to anyone on the Monday.  This is the first year I've been subjected to the 26 vacation days when you have to use one when the school makes the decision to close.

I believe the policy is only for Seollal, Chuseok and Children's Day to have make up Monday holidays. And I think that might only apply if those holidays fall on a Sunday not Saturday. 2021 is not a good year for public holidays. Including Labor Day, six public holidays fall on Saturday or Sunday this year.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: pkjh on April 28, 2021, 01:19:09 pm
Full-time Korean teachers don't get the day off. Kind of odd, considering that they are government employees.

But, often there is some school event planned that day. However covid threw a wrench in that.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: hangook77 on April 28, 2021, 01:42:14 pm
I'm considering it.  I have the option but it depends on the weather.  I'm pretty sure I won't be vaccinated by the time summer vacation rolls around so I don't need to hoard my days.  I was just wondering if because the day off falls on Saturday if any school gave it to anyone on the Monday.  This is the first year I've been subjected to the 26 vacation days when you have to use one when the school makes the decision to close. 

Yep same here.  I had two schools pull this new rule on me, plus I hear there are new other rules added into the contract this year such as mandatory moving to other places and other lame rules which were not enforced but now are.  I told my teachers this was dumb and signaled out the foreigners.  Some friends didn't even know about it when I told them this week about it.  They were pretty pissed this week.  More rules and no pay raise.  I guess they really want their experienced teachers to leave.  They'll soon get their wish.  Anyhow, since the weather usually sucks in summer (too humid, rainy , and hot), I guess I'll bite the bullet and take two days in May.  At least the weather is usually nice then. 
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: chimp on April 28, 2021, 02:32:35 pm
I don't think they really wish anything about English teachers, that was the problem all along- the slap-dashedness of it all.

Get some spoiled brats and throw in some dim native speaker and ta-da, Englishee is Fun time
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on April 28, 2021, 02:54:42 pm
If I'm ever paranoid enough to believe that a nation of people, whose raison d'etre seems to be to bolt out of work to get hammered and carouse, is instead actually out to get me with every law and regulation they make, please knock some sense into me.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: L I on April 28, 2021, 03:13:37 pm
I guess I'll bite the bullet and take two days in May.  At least the weather is usually nice then.

There's a lot of air pollution in May (intermittently).
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: D.L.Orean on April 28, 2021, 03:19:30 pm
There's a lot of air pollution in May (intermittently).

This is a man who dreams of a life in China. Air pollution is not a problem to him.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: hangook77 on April 28, 2021, 03:21:09 pm
This is a man who dreams of a life in China. Air pollution is not a problem to him.

Southern is no worse than here much of the year.  The North is another story.  Hence the much higher pay.  I dream of a Korea that treats foreigners with dignity actually, but I know a lot of you will rant against that idea.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: hangook77 on April 28, 2021, 03:21:49 pm
There's a lot of air pollution in May (intermittently).

I will roll the dice.  But early spring is usually worse.  Pine tree dust which we are seeing now doesn't affect me as much. 
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: OnNut81 on April 28, 2021, 03:37:00 pm
I believe the policy is only for Seollal, Chuseok and Children's Day to have make up Monday holidays. And I think that might only apply if those holidays fall on a Sunday not Saturday. 2021 is not a good year for public holidays. Including Labor Day, six public holidays fall on Saturday or Sunday this year.

Alright, thanks.  The Monday looks nice so I'll take a long weekend then come in on Tuesday as it's a 70% chance of rain.  I hope I can trust the weather forecast. 
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: L I on April 28, 2021, 06:01:52 pm
I'm pretty sure I won't be vaccinated by the time summer vacation rolls around

I pray to God we'll be vaccinated by the time winter vacation rolls around.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: L I on April 28, 2021, 06:04:24 pm
Yep same here.  I had two schools pull this new rule on me

Me, too. So I'm wondering if there was a memo sent to every school reminding them to deduct vacation days from the NET when the school is closed. Last year this wasn't the case. Now it is.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: Wlvers on April 28, 2021, 07:12:21 pm
I'm lucky enough that my 2nd school this year is chill and on election day the VP told me to just take the day off and keep it quiet.

Sometimes the rules seem pretty inane, but my main CoT is also a contract teacher and so she's always there if I have to be there. It's not just a them-vs-foreigners thing. The upside is she's always pushing to get days off for both of us. Spent a lot of time working from home last year when many NETs I know didn't get the option.

And still, my gf is korean and gets just 10 days  year at her company. She's very jealous of all the vacation time I get and the deskwarming time in winter vacation.

Maybe things were better in the past, but really we haven't got it all that bad.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: hangook77 on April 28, 2021, 08:35:00 pm
Me, too. So I'm wondering if there was a memo sent to every school reminding them to deduct vacation days from the NET when the school is closed. Last year this wasn't the case. Now it is.

That could be it.  I didnt have any days off last year for school holidays due to covid.  But I did get some work from homes.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: Kayos on April 29, 2021, 07:46:24 am
Nope, the labor day isn't one of the days that will be comped if it falls on a weekend.
and even though we are contract workers, there are contract workers in other sectors that usually have to work Saturday's, so they'll get the day off, while we miss out this year.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: Kayos on April 29, 2021, 09:00:31 am
Yep same here.  I had two schools pull this new rule on me, plus I hear there are new other rules added into the contract this year such as mandatory moving to other places and other lame rules which were not enforced but now are.  I told my teachers this was dumb and signaled out the foreigners.  Some friends didn't even know about it when I told them this week about it.  They were pretty pissed this week.  More rules and no pay raise.  I guess they really want their experienced teachers to leave.  They'll soon get their wish.  Anyhow, since the weather usually sucks in summer (too humid, rainy , and hot), I guess I'll bite the bullet and take two days in May.  At least the weather is usually nice then.

Mandatory moving to other places was considered, but never passed. I heard it's because Korean teachers have to, they felt it was unfair foreigners didn't have to - but, that's just what I heard, I know it didn't pass though.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: hangook77 on April 29, 2021, 10:13:10 am
Mandatory moving to other places was considered, but never passed. I heard it's because Korean teachers have to, they felt it was unfair foreigners didn't have to - but, that's just what I heard, I know it didn't pass though.

It's in my contract from this year or maybe last.  Who knows.  It is four years for me instead of 10 years for Korean elementary teachers.  Keep putting more rules.  Keep pushing.  If they start raising the salaries, then maybe, I'll put up with it.  I told them they will start losing people.  But if you are dealing with very traditonal minded Koreans they usually put their head in the sand and will ignore a problem until it blows up into a bigger one.  many of them tend to study intensively in their small area of expertiece and know nothing about any other area and are actually below average knowledge.  I usually work with and meet most modern minded Koreans, especially in recent years.  But every once in a while, you end up dealing with a very old fashioned very traditionally minded one who knows nothing about the world around them and have that nagging nitpicking nothing is every good enough and probably hates foreigners too.  This might be what I am running into.  I'm so blunt with them, I may get non renewed this summer.  I may get renewed and leave in a year or two.  We shall see.  Drum roll please.  Either way, there's options now that weren't here until very recently. 
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: D.L.Orean on April 29, 2021, 10:18:59 am
It's in my contract from this year or maybe last.  Who knows.  It is four years for me instead of 10 years for Korean elementary teachers.  Keep putting more rules.  Keep pushing.  If they start raising the salaries, then maybe, I'll put up with it.  I told them they will start losing people.  But if you are dealing with very traditonal minded Koreans they usually put their head in the sand and will ignore a problem until it blows up into a bigger one.  many of them tend to study intensively in their small area of expertiece and know nothing about any other area and are actually below average knowledge.  I usually work with and meet most modern minded Koreans, especially in recent years.  But every once in a while, you end up dealing with a very old fashioned very traditionally minded one who knows nothing about the world around them and have that nagging nitpicking nothing is every good enough and probably hates foreigners too.  This might be what I am running into.  I'm so blunt with them, I may get non renewed this summer.  I may get renewed and leave in a year or two.  We shall see.  Drum roll please.  Either way, there's options now that weren't here until very recently.

What province are you in that teachers can stay at the same school for 10 years?
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: pkjh on April 29, 2021, 10:42:28 am
What province are you in that teachers can stay at the same school for 10 years?
Could be a private school.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: D.L.Orean on April 29, 2021, 10:45:45 am
Could be a private school.

Isn't there no limit in private schools?
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: tylerthegloob on April 29, 2021, 10:46:23 am
What province are you in that teachers can stay at the same school for 10 years?
"near busan" sooo must be 경상남도?
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: Kyndo on April 29, 2021, 10:51:09 am
Mandatory moving to other places was considered, but never passed. I heard it's because Korean teachers have to, they felt it was unfair foreigners didn't have to - but, that's just what I heard, I know it didn't pass though.
Only applies to public school teachers: private school teachers can stay at their schools for as long as they like (unless they're given the boot like Dipped's hopefully will be lol).
I wonder if the push to have us NETs moved around every 4 or 5 years would mean that other contract teachers like KETs etc would then also be required to move? I imagine there was quite a bit of push back against that!

Anyway, considering that the 2 main reasons for installing a 4 or 5 year term limit was A) to prevent the formation of old boys' clubs and B) to give new teachers opportunities, making NETs move wouldn't help either cause, so I'm not surprised that nothing came of it.

So far. Keeping fingers crossed!  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: L I on April 29, 2021, 10:52:29 am
There are private schools functioning like public schools where some NETs are placed.  (I was at one such place.) They can make their own rules about how long teachers can stay. Ten years ... or forever.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: L I on April 29, 2021, 10:55:10 am
What Iím talking about is something that looks like a public school and kids go to for free but is privately upper managed. Something like that. They get government money but try to run the school in a more cost effective way.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: Kyndo on April 29, 2021, 11:09:22 am
All the middle schools that I've worked at here in Korea have been private ones. Awesome sense of community at private schools!
The first one I taught at was a private Catholic school. A lot of the classes were taught by nuns, which felt odd. For the first couple of months I felt a bit like a vampire hesitating at a threshold after being invited in...

Interestingly, the KET I taught the C classes with was secretly hard-core atheist lol.
Also, one of the high points of my five years there was that I introduced one of the nuns to Tristania (well, their music, at any rate) Some of their tunes are very orchestral, and sound like what you would hear at a mass. The rest... well, the rest is your standard Norwegian death metal.   :laugh:

I miss that school.  :sad: They had to cancel their NET position - they receive some of their funding from the Catholic foundation, but a lot of it still comes from the government. I think very few schools in Korea are 100% privately funded. International schools, mostly, I think.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: pkjh on April 29, 2021, 11:24:11 am
What Iím talking about is something that looks like a public school and kids go to for free but is privately upper managed. Something like that. They get government money but try to run the school in a more cost effective way.
Not sure if it's more cost effective. Most private schools are around because up until maybe the 80s most government run schools were up to grade 6, especially in rural areas. So, the government  encouraged private entities to start secondary schools, and the government would chip in with the costs. They get audited more frequently then public schools, because they've historically been more corrupt. I think it's like every 3 years, instead of 5.

There are private schools functioning like public schools where some NETs are placed.  (I was at one such place.) They can make their own rules about how long teachers can stay. Ten years ... or forever.
True. Also, some private entities run more than one school, and might have their own rotation system. And full-time teachers in private-schools are also tenured, and are considered government employees. If a private-school really wants to axe a full-timer, the teacher will probably be moved into the public system. I've heard of it a few times, but only seen it once. Supposedly the moved teacher had a big issue with someone important in his previous private-school.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: Renma on April 29, 2021, 11:41:55 am
Supposedly they're trying to fold all of these private schools into the public system by 2025. One of my side schools has had teachers there for their entire career, I wonder how they'll cope with the changes.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: pkjh on April 29, 2021, 12:02:52 pm
Supposedly they're trying to fold all of these private schools into the public system by 2025. One of my side schools has had teachers there for their entire career, I wonder how they'll cope with the changes.
Probably better off. Private-schools are often family owned fiefdoms, if you aren't somehow related (sometimes literally) to the ownership you have very little chance of being promoted to something higher than head teacher.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: thecourttt on April 29, 2021, 12:24:17 pm
I have the two days after Children's Day off, so a five day weekend but I'm using vacation time in order to do this. A lot of my friends weren't allowed to do this, but I'm going to use the time since the weather beats August's heat.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: hangook77 on April 29, 2021, 12:47:29 pm
What province are you in that teachers can stay at the same school for 10 years?

Elementary schools.  Ten years in one area (two five year stints at two different schools same city or gun).  Middle and High schools have 6 years in one area before having to transfer.  So, not sure why the Ed office are being so ignorant to us.  Plus this new holiday system.  Due to rain now, I have to report to my main school instead next Tues.  The teacher I have there will make me teach classes on top of that instead of just desk warm.  It just gets better and better.  Other new rules coming in or came in but weren't enforced but now are starting to be.  Precious. 
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: hangook77 on April 29, 2021, 12:57:57 pm
Probably better off. Private-schools are often family owned fiefdoms, if you aren't somehow related (sometimes literally) to the ownership you have very little chance of being promoted to something higher than head teacher.

In the west private schools are fuly private and get no government money.  They can do whatever they want though they may have to follow some basic rules or curriculum, but many things are open to whatever they want since they fund themselves.  I am not sure why governments fund them all here.  I had heard governments were trying to take them over and make them fully public.  But why not just go fully private and shun government money charging tuition?  Is it not allowed here or something?  I know some schools refuse government money back home because they don't want to give up their freedom of religion or moral beliefs.  Some also want freedom to teach other subjects and have other activities.  There is no requirement to take government money there.  Is there here?  I can't udnerstand why there is so much controvery with private schools here and complaining of favortism.  Why not just go full private and take no government money?  Then, they can do what they want.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: Kyndo on April 29, 2021, 01:24:14 pm
Because fully privatizing education is a terrible, terrible idea.

It creates a reduction in the quality of the services, and means that only children from wealthy families can afford the education required for the most competitive jobs. It also creates massive amounts of debt for those families who attempt to give their children a good education.

I mean, look at the USA: is that really an education system that you want to model yours after?
Sure, it has some truly fantastic universities (allegedly), but it also has some of the most predatory establishments as well. A generation of graduates tens of thousands of dollars in debt is bad for any economy.

Socialized education is the way to go, or, if not that, then carefully regulated private schools.


Also, no, I'm not getting compensated for the fact that May 1st is on a weekend, unfortunately.  :sad:
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: pkjh on April 29, 2021, 01:24:47 pm
In the west private schools are fuly private and get no government money.  They can do whatever they want though they may have to follow some basic rules or curriculum, but many things are open to whatever they want since they fund themselves.  I am not sure why governments fund them all here.  I had heard governments were trying to take them over and make them fully public.  But why not just go fully private and shun government money charging tuition?  Is it not allowed here or something?  I know some schools refuse government money back home because they don't want to give up their freedom of religion or moral beliefs.  Some also want freedom to teach other subjects and have other activities.  There is no requirement to take government money there.  Is there here?  I can't udnerstand why there is so much controvery with private schools here and complaining of favortism.  Why not just go full private and take no government money?  Then, they can do what they want.
Yes, private schools, in the western sense, aren't allowed. And with the exception of truly international schools (where only diplomat's children are allowed), the current government is against private schools. Koreans overwhelmingly do oppose elitist private schools. However, specialization schools is pretty decisive, and more 50/50 split on opinion. The current government opposes those specialized science, and language, high schools though. Of course a 'conservative' government can change course.

After WWII Korea was a dirt poor country. Private schools were encouraged to provide education that the government, at the time, just couldn't afford to cover. So, that is why private schools are essentially public schools. They have to accept students the government says, and the government has final say on all decisions. As to how closely they monitor this is another matter. That's why you have half the student body in catholic private schools not being catholic. Up until like the 80s only elementary education was guaranteed, and mandatory. Now I believe you can't leave school until your at least 16.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: OnNut81 on April 29, 2021, 01:41:32 pm
Yes, private schools, in the western sense, aren't allowed. And with the exception of truly international schools (where only diplomat's children are allowed), the current government is against private schools. Koreans overwhelmingly do oppose elitist private schools. However, specialization schools is pretty decisive, and more 50/50 split on opinion. The current government opposes those specialized science, and language, high schools though. Of course a 'conservative' government can change course.



I thought the true international schools were open to a Korean who had lived abroad a certain number of years or they had one non-Korean parent?  Just what I've heard, and as I don't have kids myself, I didn't look into it.  I did have an adult student who was an architect a few years back and his wife and son lived in Chiang Mai so his son could attend an English speaking international school as he had no avenue for entry in Korea.  So, if the parents are really set on it, they can go abroad.  Of course, money is an issue. 
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: L I on April 29, 2021, 01:48:58 pm
High school is optional. (Guitarist Sungha Jung didnít go.) And I know a woman in her 40s who only went to elementary school. So sad!
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: pkjh on April 29, 2021, 02:01:29 pm
I thought the true international schools were open to a Korean who had lived abroad a certain number of years or they had one non-Korean parent?  Just what I've heard, and as I don't have kids myself, I didn't look into it.  I did have an adult student who was an architect a few years back and his wife and son lived in Chiang Mai so his son could attend an English speaking international school as he had no avenue for entry in Korea.  So, if the parents are really set on it, they can go abroad.  Of course, money is an issue. 
At the moment international schools do allow Korean citizens, but the government doesn't like it. They want to keep Korean kids in Korean schools.

High school is optional. (Guitarist Sungha Jung didnít go.) And I know a woman in her 40s who only went to elementary school. So sad!
A good chunk of women over 60, who grew up in rural areas only have an elementary education. Also, I'm willing to bet a lot of them can barely read too.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: hangook77 on April 29, 2021, 02:47:46 pm
Yes, private schools, in the western sense, aren't allowed. And with the exception of truly international schools (where only diplomat's children are allowed), the current government is against private schools. Koreans overwhelmingly do oppose elitist private schools. However, specialization schools is pretty decisive, and more 50/50 split on opinion. The current government opposes those specialized science, and language, high schools though. Of course a 'conservative' government can change course.

After WWII Korea was a dirt poor country. Private schools were encouraged to provide education that the government, at the time, just couldn't afford to cover. So, that is why private schools are essentially public schools. They have to accept students the government says, and the government has final say on all decisions. As to how closely they monitor this is another matter. That's why you have half the student body in catholic private schools not being catholic. Up until like the 80s only elementary education was guaranteed, and mandatory. Now I believe you can't leave school until your at least 16.

I understand this if the government gives money which Korea does.  Then the private schools have to follow government rules.  It is a form of control.  It does violate a basic freedom principle if they cannot go full private with no government funding.  Then they should be able to do what they want because they are paying for it by itself. 

For the record I never went to any elite private school though I did briefly do a type of private Christian type of homeschool (ACE program) which was far from exclusive or preppy.  But mostly I did the public schools like you.  But when I went to this other school they taught what they wanted because they took no government money.  If they took government money, they would have had to follow their rules.  It may be different there now though.  Hard to say. 
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: hangook77 on April 29, 2021, 02:52:19 pm
At the moment international schools do allow Korean citizens, but the government doesn't like it. They want to keep Korean kids in Korean schools.
A good chunk of women over 60, who grew up in rural areas only have an elementary education. Also, I'm willing to bet a lot of them can barely read too.

Seems like Korean government likes a lot of control.  No other reason for it.  Control the kids, indoctrination, etc.  Borderline Communist.  I had no idea quite how that worked.  Koreans never really seemed to know or be able to answer my questions.  (It amazes me how many people, especially those more traditionally minded seem to know nothing outside of their field that they studied in.  General knowledge not high.  Younger and less traditionally minded seem more well informed about things and also get things like humor and wit.  But this is a whole other topic.) 

I am shocked to say the least. 
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: Aristocrat on April 29, 2021, 03:04:51 pm
Yes, private schools, in the western sense, aren't allowed. And with the exception of truly international schools (where only diplomat's children are allowed), the current government is against private schools. Koreans overwhelmingly do oppose elitist private schools. However, specialization schools is pretty decisive, and more 50/50 split on opinion. The current government opposes those specialized science, and language, high schools though. Of course a 'conservative' government can change course.

From what I've heard, many Korean private schools function nothing like Western private schools, which boast a very high academic standard for a hell of a lot of money. Korean private schools seem to have a bad reputation of shoddy education by tenured teachers who couldn't give a sh*t. A teacher who previously taught at a private school and whose farther was the principal worked at a school I taught at, for some reason, and NOBODY liked this guy. The students tried to get him fired and he was put on leave for a couple of months and made to go to therapy as he literally called his student trash and was incredibly rude and antisocial to the everyone at school. He returned and seems no different.

Let's say I'm wrong, and Korean private schools, or at least some, offer stellar education.

If I had to guess I'd say the main opposition isn't the private schools, but rather how the elite would take advantage of them, as they do/did at international schools. International schools, undoubtably, provided the best opportunity for English immersion and only allowed a small percentage of Koreans to enrol. Naturally bribes and whatnot ensued and these schools discouraged anyone but the richest (rich Koreans) from applying by jacking up the fees to the point that only a Chaebol heir's parents could afford it. Probably the biggest national issue in recent years is divide between rich and everyone else. Most Koreans will likely be vehemently opposed to anything that makes it even more difficult to compete with kids from rich families when it comes to getting into a good university.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: pkjh on April 29, 2021, 03:27:50 pm
A teacher who previously taught at a private school and whose farther was the principal worked at a school I taught at, for some reason, and NOBODY liked this guy. The students tried to get him fired and he was put on leave for a couple of months and made to go to therapy as he literally called his student trash and was incredibly rude and antisocial to the everyone at school. He returned and seems no different.
One of the reasons the government wants to take over all private schools. These days they've brought private-school hiring more inline with the public systems, where they will sent teachers who passed the test to private schools if need be. But in the past private-schools would literally hire unqualified relatives.

"You placed last in your degree for basket-weaving? Well since you're my wife's nephew, I'll make you a math teacher at our school."


Let's say I'm wrong, and Korean private schools, or at least some, offer stellar education.
Private-schools in Korea were never meant to be a separate system to the public system. They were just to be administered privately (purchasing of land, and building buildings by private entities), but provide public education to the masses in areas where the government just couldn't commit funds to open schools. Most of the private schools today were open pre-80s, and the vast majority were secondary schools. The government ran all the primary school, because that's what they could afford back in the day..
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on April 29, 2021, 05:59:07 pm
How about one of those schools like in 'The Classic' where they're teaching folk dancing and whatnot?

Also, bring back the old school uniforms that kind of looked like Japanese naval uniforms. With the hat and the black suit with the Nehru collar.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: Mr C on April 29, 2021, 07:58:55 pm
How about one of those schools like in 'The Classic' where they're teaching folk dancing and whatnot?

Also, bring back the old school uniforms that kind of looked like Japanese naval uniforms. With the hat and the black suit with the Nehru collar.

The boys' school I taught at for 4 years when I came here had that--without the hat.  Military gray with the collar, brass buttons, epaulettes, black accent stripes.  One co told me the boys liked the uniform for its "convenience", i.e., no necktie.  It's what they still wear.

The school was founded in 1976, when, "old Mr Lee"  told me, there was nothing around here but rice fields.  The main entrance hall has trophy cabinets including very military memorabilia and photos of boys posed with missiles and tanks and such.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: VanIslander on May 01, 2021, 12:49:55 am
I'm sorry. Do we work in a bank?

May 1st has never been a holiday for me or anyone I know going back to last century.
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Post by: thunderlips on May 01, 2021, 05:27:30 am
I'm sorry. Do we work in a bank?

May 1st has never been a holiday for me or anyone I know going back to last century.


You must not know many people and thatís ok. Keep your circle small.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: pkjh on May 01, 2021, 08:47:59 am
You must not know many people and thatís ok. Keep your circle small.
May 1st isn't a holiday in the US, or Canada. So, a lot of north Americans don't know about May 1st. I didn't learn about until like grade 10 social studies.

Our labo(u)r day is in September.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: L I on May 01, 2021, 09:06:02 am
"When the United States began to seriously consider creating a national holiday for workers, U.S. President Grover Cleveland did not want to choose the May date because of its association with the Haymaker bombing, so instead picked the alternative day in September."
___________________ _______
Both the US and Canada designated Labor Day as a holiday the first Monday of September starting in 1894.
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Post by: hangook77 on May 03, 2021, 08:32:26 am
"When the United States began to seriously consider creating a national holiday for workers, U.S. President Grover Cleveland did not want to choose the May date because of its association with the Haymaker bombing, so instead picked the alternative day in September."
___________________ _______
Both the US and Canada designated Labor Day as a holiday the first Monday of September starting in 1894.

Our ancestors were tough anti commies!!  (Though I am not necessarily anti union.  Some of those Amazon workers could use one.)
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: pkjh on May 03, 2021, 10:10:13 am
Our ancestors were tough anti commies!!  (Though I am not necessarily anti union.  Some of those Amazon workers could use one.)
1894, no country in the world had a governing body that claimed to be communist at that time. Most of the world was still ruled by monarchs.
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Post by: L I on May 03, 2021, 10:31:25 am
The Communist Manifesto was published in 1848. (How long it took to be widely read I donít know.)
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Post by: tylerthegloob on May 03, 2021, 10:33:42 am
i think a few people might have read it around 1917. can't be sure though
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Post by: pkjh on May 03, 2021, 10:43:21 am
The Communist Manifesto was published in 1848. (How long it took to be widely read I donít know.)
Most of the world was also alliterate back then. But, the ideas would spread.

Communism was largely theory until the Russians put it to use. And was a very popular theory, since most people were still under repressive forms of government, and subsistence living.
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Post by: tylerthegloob on May 03, 2021, 10:55:55 am
Most of the world was also alliterate back then. But, the ideas would spread.
It was rare to run into real, refined readers.
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Post by: hangook77 on May 03, 2021, 11:39:00 am
1894, no country in the world had a governing body that claimed to be communist at that time. Most of the world was still ruled by monarchs.

Marxism was a very real ideology at that time. 
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Post by: pkjh on May 03, 2021, 11:40:12 am
It was rare to run into real, refined readers.
lol... my fat fingers
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: hangook77 on May 03, 2021, 11:50:16 am
Most of the world was also alliterate back then. But, the ideas would spread.

Communism was largely theory until the Russians put it to use. And was a very popular theory, since most people were still under repressive forms of government, and subsistence living.

Stalin gave them freedom.  Mao too.  They didn't give way to millions of more deaths and extreme repression than Hitler or anything like that.  (Though I rate them all as evil.) 
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Post by: tylerthegloob on May 03, 2021, 11:57:07 am
says the guy that wants to move to china  :laugh:
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Post by: D.L.Orean on May 03, 2021, 11:58:04 am
says the guy that wants to move to china  :laugh:

Anything to keep him away from Biden's extreme marxist America
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Post by: Aristocrat on May 03, 2021, 12:01:33 pm
Stalin gave them freedom.  Mao too. 

Maybe spending an entire morning going through journal articles and textbooks has made me a bit tired, but did I just read a grown man, educated in a Western country with free access to information and history, say that Mao and Stalin brought freedom to their respective citizens?
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Post by: hangook77 on May 03, 2021, 12:28:22 pm
says the guy that wants to move to china  :laugh:

What's that got to do with anything?  Pay good wages, get good experienced teachers.  Go to teach for a while and then leave.  I thought going after more money was capitalist.  It's not like I am going to live for the rest of my life.  It seems like the business thing to do.  Bank money then move on.  I don't have to live to live there permanently.  Whatever Ccp is doing, it's hardly the times of Mao.  As long as MY government doesn't go full Commie retard, it's none of my business. 
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Post by: hangook77 on May 03, 2021, 12:28:54 pm
Maybe spending an entire morning going through journal articles and textbooks has made me a bit tired, but did I just read a grown man, educated in a Western country with free access to information and history, say that Mao and Stalin brought freedom to their respective citizens?

Sarcasm is clearly lost on you....
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: hangook77 on May 03, 2021, 12:34:52 pm
Anything to keep him away from Biden's extreme marxist America

I did see an interview this morning where AOC praised Biden as "better than I thought".  He ain't no moderate.  He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.  When he croaks, Kamala will go full hardcore leftist anyways or try.  (Though some cases are still going through the courts.)
Centrist moderate blue dog Democrats have gone the way of the dodo bird anyhow.  Joe Manchin is the only one left on the federal stage from what I can tell. 
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Post by: tylerthegloob on May 03, 2021, 12:49:26 pm
What's that got to do with anything?  Pay good wages, get good experienced teachers.  Go to teach for a while and then leave.  I thought going after more money was capitalist.
weird that the (excuse my language, kyndo) "commie retard" countries are doing business better than the capitalist ones. but, i admit, the "i don't care about anything except making money" does fit nicely with my assumptions about you, so thanks for that
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Post by: pkjh on May 03, 2021, 02:14:02 pm
I did see an interview this morning where AOC praised Biden as "better than I thought".  He ain't no moderate.  He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.  When he croaks, Kamala will go full hardcore leftist anyways or try.  (Though some cases are still going through the courts.)
Centrist moderate blue dog Democrats have gone the way of the dodo bird anyhow.  Joe Manchin is the only one left on the federal stage from what I can tell. 
So, the USA will become more like Canada?
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Post by: hangook77 on May 03, 2021, 02:46:18 pm
So, the USA will become more like Canada?

We've traditionally had much higher unemployment rates and slower growth than the US due to higher taxes and other issues, especially the further east you go.  Now, it is getting worse due to Turdo pouring gasoline on the fire.  Some Americans fail to learn by watching the tribulations of others. 
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Post by: hangook77 on May 03, 2021, 02:54:43 pm
weird that the (excuse my language, kyndo) "commie retard" countries are doing business better than the capitalist ones. but, i admit, the "i don't care about anything except making money" does fit nicely with my assumptions about you, so thanks for that

That's your excuse to put up with getting ripped off and to enable greedy Korean capitalists who keep their profits for themselves becasue they can instead of giving you a cost of living increase?  Nothing wrong with true capitalism, but one with competition as opposed to flooding markets or outsourcing to keep labor really really cheap.  Not true capitalism but greed and cronyism.  True capitalism is where the pie is growing for everyone.  Profits rise, employers do well and pay their employees more as well. 

I'm in favor of true capitalism.  I grew up in a place with lots of government regulations, rules, and taxes.  The economy was shit and the unemployment rate was high.  Nothing like your dreams killed as a youngster.  Sad to see that way of life is spreading across North America now.  The rest of North America use to be pretty prosperous with low unemployment.  Now, it's drinking the same kool aid elsewhere as was drank out east decades ago.  Folks never learn from the mistakes of others.  At any rate, working for Korean minimum wage is not really defensable in a general sense, though those few who choose to do so are free to do so.  I am higher up the salary scale, but as the living cost rises even for me, it will be time consider other options unless Korea steps up it's game.  That's what competition is.  If some pay more while others pay less, then those who pay less will lose out usually.  There will always be a minority of folks who stay for whatever reason in any of these circumstances.  I will give Korea a year or two.  Young people starting out should just hop over there but they can do as they wish. 

Long term planning to get rid of assets, cashing out key money, selling the vehicle,etc.  It does take time to plan an exit for those who are set up here.  It is hoped in the meantime, Korea will reconsider it's current trajectory.  I will be more than happy to stay if it does.  But you can't live somewhere forever and be poor and have very little saved or invested for retirement.  Unless you are married to a local, your ass is getting put out of here with a very tiny pension and that's it.  Better make more money to save, invest, etc.  It's all about the long term plans, kids. 
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Post by: tylerthegloob on May 03, 2021, 03:00:15 pm
That's your excuse to put up with getting ripped off and to enable greedy Korean capitalists who keep their profits for themselves becasue they can instead of giving you a cost of living increase? 
huh?  :huh:

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Nothing wrong with true capitalism, but one with competition as opposed to flooding markets or outsourcing to keep labor really really cheap.
i'm pretty sure flooding the market and outsourcing labor both fall under the umbrella of "true capitalism" but i'd love to hear why i'm wrong
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Post by: hangook77 on May 03, 2021, 03:17:39 pm
huh?  :huh:
i'm pretty sure flooding the market and outsourcing labor both fall under the umbrella of "true capitalism" but i'd love to hear why i'm wrong

IF you like it, good for you.  Wear a smile on your face and keep working for less smiling thinking it's a good deal.  True capitalism is competition and not favored markets where you flood markets with low wages. 
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Post by: 745sticky on May 04, 2021, 08:29:43 am
huh?  :huh:
i'm surprised hangook hasn't called you a cuck yet, or maybe he has and i missed it
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Post by: OnNut81 on May 04, 2021, 08:56:35 am
So, the USA will become more like Canada?

Canada can only afford to be like Canada because of the U.S. being the capitalist juggernaut it is.  If the U.S. swings too far towards a nanny state Canada will have to rethink things.  We need our rich capitalist neighbour next door so we can continue feeling superior and maintain a certain quality of life. 
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Post by: tylerthegloob on May 04, 2021, 11:36:52 am
i'm surprised hangook hasn't called you a cuck yet, or maybe he has and i missed it
im pretty sure he has. can't remember though. i get called lots of names. when i first came here one poster called me a beefcake as an insult.

anyway, my justifications for still being here after 4 years are not money related. it's probably hard for hangook to imagine anyone doing anything without the motivation of money (for sure this has been a major point of disconnect in the larger discussion). alas, some of us are concerned with these less important things
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Post by: L I on May 04, 2021, 11:41:10 am
anyway, my justifications for still being here after 4 years are not money related.

Girlfriend related? I remember when you told us youíd only be staying for one year.
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Post by: tylerthegloob on May 04, 2021, 11:50:37 am
yeah girlfriend/rona. my original plan was 1 or 2 years. 1st year was great, so i stayed a second. 2nd year was great, so i stayed a third to figure out what my girlfriend and i are gonna do. 3rd year was great (minus the rona), but it wasnt clear what the rona situation would be in either country and korea seemed more predictable. 4th year is going great too but after this one we're gonna be heading back to the US together. then you'll be rid of me and my lack of capitalization :(
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Post by: OnNut81 on May 04, 2021, 12:33:12 pm

Long term planning to get rid of assets, cashing out key money, selling the vehicle,etc.  It does take time to plan an exit for those who are set up here. 


Sounds like you're just making excuses for why you're not practicing what you preach and making the jump to China.  You need to be realistic and understand that all your complaining here isn't likely to change things.  This site doesn't have the ear of the seats of power.  As much as you're hoping to avoid it you should back up all your talk, make the move and report back here after a year in China.  After over a decade without a break I also have a lot set up here but it wouldn't take more than a few months to deal with, and of course, dealing with loose ends from abroad is easy for anyone.  Also, China is just a cheap short hop away if you need to pop back.  Stop making excuses and pull the trigger.  And don't look at this as criticism, you tend to play a victim at the drop of a hat I've noticed.  This is encouragement.  It seems like you're waiting for someone to come on here and say "Yes, I made the move from Korea to China and am now making way more money" as reassurance, but you're the one who's going to be that guy.  We're rooting for you. 
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Post by: Mr.DeMartino on May 04, 2021, 01:11:25 pm
yeah girlfriend/rona. my original plan was 1 or 2 years. 1st year was great, so i stayed a second. 2nd year was great, so i stayed a third to figure out what my girlfriend and i are gonna do. 3rd year was great (minus the rona), but it wasnt clear what the rona situation would be in either country and korea seemed more predictable. 4th year is going great too but after this one we're gonna be heading back to the US together. then you'll be rid of me and my lack of capitalization :(
Tyler trying to keep it respectable but we all know he's staying because of the esports scene.

Heck, it'd be like that for me and baseball. When I think about it- one thing that I would REALLY miss if I left here is Korean baseball. Unless I lived in some ridiculously expensive part of a city back home, it would be so hard to go to three-six games in a week, drink, and be able to afford it because of ease of transportation, ticket prices, etc.  And Korean baseball really is great value for the buck. Probably only Championship/League One football would compare, but that's only once every other weekend.
Title: Re: With Labour Day on a Saturday anyone getting another day as compensation?
Post by: hangook77 on May 14, 2021, 01:20:35 pm
There's a lot of air pollution in May (intermittently).

I worked one day and will take one off at my other school next week. 
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Post by: hangook77 on May 14, 2021, 01:23:59 pm
im pretty sure he has. can't remember though. i get called lots of names. when i first came here one poster called me a beefcake as an insult.

anyway, my justifications for still being here after 4 years are not money related. it's probably hard for hangook to imagine anyone doing anything without the motivation of money (for sure this has been a major point of disconnect in the larger discussion). alas, some of us are concerned with these less important things

When you have the luxury of not having large student loans to pay off or needing to save for the future, I can't imagine you would understand. 
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Post by: Mr.DeMartino on May 14, 2021, 01:53:51 pm
When you have the luxury of not having large student loans to pay off or needing to save for the future, I can't imagine you would understand. 
At the same time, can you acknowledge that not everyone is here to shave the 10-wons and constantly obsessed with the exchange rate.

Some people, gasp!, are actually here FOR FUN or because they like it here or actually wanted to be here specifically because they have interest in Korea. They're not just here because of either A) Ore Malady or B) Debt debt debt. It seems a large number of older NETs here came for one of those two reasons and they can't really grasp why other people are here for reasons other than those two. They also tend to be really myopic, and frankly selfish when it comes to how they view the place. Often they get angry at the country for not enabling the fulfillment of their objective as though this is somehow owed to them and what the country should devote itself to. 
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Post by: hangook77 on May 14, 2021, 01:57:33 pm
At the same time, can you acknowledge that not everyone is here to shave the 10-wons and constantly obsessed with the exchange rate.

Most are or use to be to pay the loans and save up for the future.  But Korea isn't what it use to be for that.