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Title: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on April 12, 2021, 09:00:15 am
Hi everyone,

I hope you are doing well :D
Need some advice....
I am seriously considering resigning from my Gepik contract.  The situation at my school has become almost unbearable as my main coteacher this year seems to have nothing else better to do than borderline harass me (late night texts complaining, early morning messenger complaints about every single class I have with her etc etc etc...I could go on and on but that's neither here nor there.  I feel tremendous anxiety and stress coming to school as I know I will have 7 messages waiting for me of complaints).  All teachers agree she is being unreasonable and unfair (she is a Korean English contract worker and IMO those are the worst)...but I don't see the situation getting any better throughout the year.  It will be a constant struggle, since she is my main handler and obsessed.

This is going to be my last year anyways in Korea and I figure from a mental health point I need to just quit.  I have been with the school for over 4 years and just signed a contract in February.  I know I have to give 60 days notice yet I'm not sure what else gets forfeited (I just received the 1.3 million won as a renewal bonus)  as there isn't a lot of information in my contract about it. 
What about my 900,000 deposit and severance pay? 

ALSO...I just moved (and paid 5 million won deposit) for a new place....
Will the deposit be returned...usually?

I am so discombobulated and sorry if this message scattered.  I'm truly at my wits end.

Any help regarding the Gepik/rental contract would be greatly appreciated :D



Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: thunderlips on April 12, 2021, 09:11:12 am
I'm not GEPIK, but you will still get your severance and any other monies owed. If your contract has a completion bonus that should cover your renewal bonus, I think. Not sure about your apartment deposit though. Before you quit, maybe talk to the head teacher, vp and/or principal. Show the texts and messages. Tell them you will quit if you have to work with this nutter. And yes I agree the contract teachers are the absolute worst, usually. Good luck hope you get it all straightened out.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: OnNut81 on April 12, 2021, 11:14:48 am
Definitely speak with the higher ups about her messaging you.  I would block her outside of working hours.  Actually, I'd just tell her straight out to not message you outside of work hours.  Being your handler in no way makes her your boss.  A regular Korean English teacher is not even your boss.  Just the V-P and P.  If you don't want to stay, then move on.  But a contract teacher hassling you should be a problem that can be fixed. You definitely have more muscle than if she was a permanent Korean teacher.  I'm sure if you could sit down with your V-P, and a trusted translator if necessary, and make it clear you will leave if she doesn't stop harassing you, you'll see some action. 

Also, you may have some problems getting your key money back if you just signed a contract. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: njarlson on April 12, 2021, 11:44:00 am
As far as I know, you should get your severance and 900,000 back (check the contract, it has something in there about how they calculate severance if you resign). However, you will need to pay back your renewal bonus if you've already received it (or the flight allowance but I figured you renewed), which is 1.3 million. As for the housing contract, I'm not sure. You may need to pay a fee to break the contract; I would consider joining some expat facebook groups (like "every expat in korea" or "expat women in korea") and ask about it there, since more people in those groups have their own apartments.

If you want to try sticking it out, first try talking to your VP and principal about it and if then nothing changes, I would advise you to contact the gepik coordinator or find a way to contact the supervisor of your district's English department. What she's doing isn't okay and she deserves to get in trouble for it, you shouldn't be the one losing out. If all of the other teachers agree that she's being unreasonable, they can back up your complaint and maybe something can be done about it. She might be not fired, but under threat she might seriously change her ways. And even if they don't back you up, I think that just the fact that she's sending you messages at night outside of work hours would be enough to get her in a bit of trouble. Don't delete any messages she sends you and if she's berating you in person, audio record the conversation to use as proof. But if ultimately you think leaving is what is best for you then I wish you the best of luck.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: AvecPommesFrites on April 12, 2021, 11:48:04 am
Severance is calculated yearly plus change after the 1st full year so you're fine.

Bonus for completing the previous contract so you'd just not get an exit allowance/flight money.

I'd tell this teacher to not message you outside of work hours and i'd forward all cool messenger chats to the entire contact list of school staff.

Also tell the VP/Principal about the situation. You're more important than the Korean teacher despite what some might think. Good luck finding a new native teacher in the current climate. You hold all the cards.

Life's too short for this carry on. I bet if you handed in your notice calling this **** out the school would have you new furnishings in your apartment in no time.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on April 12, 2021, 12:14:56 pm
I went in today as usual and she told me that she had been thinking about me all weekend and she had a bad weekend because of it....She said our classes together are not good... 

Our first class together she sits at the back of the class with a clipboard and writes shit down furiously while I'm teaching which just made me so nervous and angry.  Then when I'm taking up the dictation she yells/scolds me in front of the class saying she doesn't want me to show them the answers in that way and keeps loudly sighing.  The class got tense and no students wanted to answer (she is their homeroom teacher and they are scared as hell of her) during the following class activities.

I have never in my life been treated like that professionally!  It was humiliating!  She said she is going to have a meeting with all the other English teachers regarding my poor teaching!  (I have been teaching for over 15 years and have never received this kind of treatment or disdain).   I have wonderful classes with my other teachers...they participate and engage and have fun and have never complained or had a bad word to say...and if something doesn't fit we fix it together.

She just sits in judgement in a chair at the back of the class and constantly ask the class..."Jaemiopseoyo? Jaemiopseoyo?  Don't you want a game? "  Not helping at all....not making the situation different...just complaining and making it worse.

So I guess there will be a big meeting about my shitty classes with the other English teachers later this afternoon.  I am so dejected and angry.  I think that she wants to give me a warning letter about my classes (not joking).  She is that type of person.

I truly hope I can get some of that key money back from my housing....will be going over my housing contract tonight with Papago!
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: CO2 on April 12, 2021, 12:23:11 pm
I went in today as usual and she told me that she had been thinking about me all weekend and she had a bad weekend because of it....She said our classes together are not good... 

Our first class together she sits at the back of the class with a clipboard and writes shit down furiously while I'm teaching which just made me so nervous and angry.  Then when I'm taking up the dictation she yells/scolds me in front of the class saying she doesn't want me to show them the answers in that way and keeps loudly sighing.  The class got tense and no students wanted to answer (she is their homeroom teacher and they are scared as hell of her) during the following class activities.

I have never in my life been treated like that professionally!  It was humiliating!  She said she is going to have a meeting with all the other English teachers regarding my poor teaching!  (I have been teaching for over 15 years and have never received this kind of treatment or disdain).   I have wonderful classes with my other teachers...they participate and engage and have fun and have never complained or had a bad word to say...and if something doesn't fit we fix it together.

She just sits in judgement in a chair at the back of the class and constantly ask the class..."Jaemiopseoyo? Jaemiopseoyo?  Don't you want a game? "  Not helping at all....not making the situation different...just complaining and making it worse.

So I guess there will be a big meeting about my shitty classes with the other English teachers later this afternoon.  I am so dejected and angry.  I think that she wants to give me a warning letter about my classes (not joking).  She is that type of person.

I truly hope I can get some of that key money back from my housing....will be going over my housing contract tonight with Papago!

Honestly, at the meeting just start crying and telling her directly that all the other teachers have no problem with you. If you're really keen on going out, name the specific things you do with the other teachers in class and mention EXACTLY how it goes well, and then bring up EXACTLY what happens in shit-mongers class to the other teachers.

People hate confrontation here and this will let EVERYONE know exactly what shit-monger is doing to you and let all the other good natured teachers that you are good natured with everyone SAVE shit-monger.

I cried once when my Co-T laid into me and it embarrassed HER. I wasn't even doing it on purpose, I'd just had enough.

Clear that air so that EVERYONE knows EXACTLY what's going on. If she interrupts, just tell her it's not her turn and that you're the one on trial.

The other teachers need to be shown clearly and publicly that they're together in not having a problem and that shit-monger is the odd one out.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: njarlson on April 12, 2021, 12:40:43 pm
I went in today as usual and she told me that she had been thinking about me all weekend and she had a bad weekend because of it....She said our classes together are not good... 

Our first class together she sits at the back of the class with a clipboard and writes shit down furiously while I'm teaching which just made me so nervous and angry.  Then when I'm taking up the dictation she yells/scolds me in front of the class saying she doesn't want me to show them the answers in that way and keeps loudly sighing.  The class got tense and no students wanted to answer (she is their homeroom teacher and they are scared as hell of her) during the following class activities.

I have never in my life been treated like that professionally!  It was humiliating!  She said she is going to have a meeting with all the other English teachers regarding my poor teaching!  (I have been teaching for over 15 years and have never received this kind of treatment or disdain).   I have wonderful classes with my other teachers...they participate and engage and have fun and have never complained or had a bad word to say...and if something doesn't fit we fix it together.

She just sits in judgement in a chair at the back of the class and constantly ask the class..."Jaemiopseoyo? Jaemiopseoyo?  Don't you want a game? "  Not helping at all....not making the situation different...just complaining and making it worse.

So I guess there will be a big meeting about my shitty classes with the other English teachers later this afternoon.  I am so dejected and angry.  I think that she wants to give me a warning letter about my classes (not joking).  She is that type of person.

I truly hope I can get some of that key money back from my housing....will be going over my housing contract tonight with Papago!

This is absolutely awful. I totally understand if you want to go home, but if you can, try to fight back! Even if you still decide to leave, she still deserves to receive proper punishment for her treatment of you.
Like I said, start recording ALL of your conversations with her (and maybe even your classes if she is causing so many disturbances). If she thinks you're a bad teacher, you need to prove that she is doing nothing to work with you to make the classes better. All she does is yell at you or tell you things to put you down (that weekend comment was out of line and harassment, she should not be saying things like that to you while at work even if she hates your guts). If you have to sit down with the other teachers, show all of the nasty messages she has sent you, explain that she even messages you at night when you are not at work, and explain in detail that you are trying very hard, but she is refusing to work with you.

First, if she is your coteacher, she shouldn't be in the back of the class. SHE is supposed to lead the classes; according to our contracts, we are only meant to be assistant teachers. Obviously this doesn't always happen, but if she feels so strongly about how the classes should go, then she should do her job and actually teach.
Second, if there is something she wants you to do or a specific way she wants her classes taught, it is her responsibility to meet with you to plan what you will do for the lessons. If she isn't willing to do that, then she cannot get angry at you. If she dislikes how you teach, it is her responsibility to sit with you and maturely explain where she thinks you could do better.
And third, explain in either the meeting or in your complaint if you decide to make one that you do not have these issues with the other teachers you teach with, it is only her. Which, again, leads back to the conversation of if she really thinks your teaching is so bad, why is she not trying to sit down and plan with you, and instead only harassing you? That doesn't help anyone.

I know it's really difficult but if the other teachers see that she is also being unreasonable, then I would bring this up. Don't wait for her to try and drag you down. If you have any kind of even slight relationship with any other teacher in your school, explain your situation to them and request that they help you bring these issues up to the principal before she can try to twist the narrative to make you look like the bad guy. And, again, begin recording every interaction with her (as far as I know, this is legal as long as your voice can also be heard in the recording) so everyone can hear the way she talks to you.

Either way, whether you decide to go home or fight back, I hope things go well for you. I'm sorry you're going through this.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: OnNut81 on April 12, 2021, 01:27:37 pm
DON'T CRY!   It may have worked here and there because it made things awkward but it'll be a very short term gain most times.  They will absolutely lose respect for you and think you're being melodramatic.  School issues are not something they expect you just to break down and cry over.  Be politely and firmly assertive and state your case.  Had my main teacher years back bust into the English office and just start bawling because the VP had given her crap.  The after school teacher and I are were just kind of looking around and eventually with an audible sound of disgust the other (younger female) Korean teacher grabbed a handful of tissues and consoled her half-heartedly.   CO2, hadn't your GF at the time split, which is also what was on your mind?  Stand your ground and call her out on her behaviour and let them know, without making it seem like an ultimatum (another potential backfire,) that you're more than willing to leave if the situation doesn't change.  You don't even need to be confrontational.  Just lay out the facts respectfully and firmly.  Most of them could never contemplate walking away from the job, so the fact that you could do that often doesn't occur to them when they create these situations.  They have to put up with it.  The fact you have another option and you'll be jaunting off while they pick up the administrative pieces is often a wake up call. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: pkjh on April 12, 2021, 02:02:49 pm
If you're a guy don't cry. For women, well it might work, I've seen one teacher weep after an argument with and administrator..
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on April 12, 2021, 02:10:23 pm
She just sits in judgement in a chair at the back of the class and constantly ask the class..."Jaemiopseoyo? Jaemiopseoyo?  Don't you want a game? "  Not helping at all....not making the situation different...just complaining and making it worse
You've got her.

Just keep on telling the VP and Principal "She just sits in the back and tells me what I'm doing wrong. She doesn't teach the kids. Ask the students about her in class."

Checkmate. She's a contract teacher. They aren't paying her to sit on her duff and just judge you.

Don't get distracted from any other point. Focus in on that like a laser and keep hitting her with that: You're the one standing and teaching. She is the one sitting and commenting. She'll be lucky to have a job after that.

Good luck in that meeting. I hope this wasn't too late.  :sad:
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Oji on April 12, 2021, 02:35:30 pm
OP I was in a similar situation a few years ago. This CT was also my main handler. I just persevered through almost the entire year until I'd had enough and talked to the Head English teacher. Showed her the messages and explained what was happening. Told her that I refused to teach with this teacher, and if she did come to class that I would go back to the main office and she could teach by herself. I wish I had spoken up earlier because it turns out that she had been treating other teachers the same way (including screaming at them in the office). I was incredibly lucky that my VP and other co-teachers were very supportive of me and knew what I was actually like.  This teacher ended up having her contract cancelled early.

So as others have suggested, talk to the higher-ups if you are able to. Bring the receipts. Odds are if she is like this with you, she is the same with others. There's no guarantee that you'll have as positive an outcome as I did, but you should at least try before jumping straight to quitting. I hope everything works out for you.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: AvecPommesFrites on April 12, 2021, 02:38:32 pm
You've got her.

Just keep on telling the VP and Principal "She just sits in the back and tells me what I'm doing wrong. She doesn't teach the kids. Ask the students about her in class."

Checkmate. She's a contract teacher. They aren't paying her to sit on her duff and just judge you.

Don't get distracted from any other point. Focus in on that like a laser and keep hitting her with that: You're the one standing and teaching. She is the one sitting and commenting. She'll be lucky to have a job after that.

Good luck in that meeting. I hope this wasn't too late.  :sad:

My man Tino coming through with the goods when needed.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on April 12, 2021, 02:56:45 pm
My man Tino coming through with the goods when needed.
I dunno, looking at the clock and when I posted this and when the meeting happened, I'm worried I was too late. dippedinblush should be walking into this full of confidence and ready to put this teacher in a position to beg her for her job. I mean, if she's a contract teacher, she already has close to zero support at the school. The other teachers aren't going to stick their necks out for her. Now add the fact that she was sitting at the back and not teaching- she's done for.

Seriously, I wish I could be there to see the look on that CTs face when dib says "Korea teacher, just sitting. Not standing. Not teaching. Just sitting in chair. Ask students." Oh the look the Principal and the VP would immediately have and the look that would come over that CTs face would be some joy. The great part is you know the CT would instantly start flailing with excuses and accusations, which would only make her look more guilty.

Within 30 seconds of that, dib would be told "Thank you, You can go now. I'm sorry." by the VP and P, which would be followed by silence as you walk out and when that door closes, then the boss ajosshi/ajumma style yelling at the CT would start. Then you'd probably get some disapproving clucks by the union Korean Teachers and some sympathetic glances in the teachers room. Oh would it be delicious.

FYI for anyone in a similar situation in the future
1. Make sure you have your shit together. If you're going to war, make sure your paperwork is up to date, you are showing up on time, you're getting everything done.
2. Korean contract teachers are NOT the same as full union teachers and the full union teachers generally don't have much use for them unless 1) They know them personally 2) They're well-liked which means 3) They know their place.
3. In Korea, that whole appearance and laziness thing works both ways. Sure they can come after you, but you can also go after them. If your CT is just sitting in the back grading papers or not doing much, they are NOT supposed to be doing that (contract teacher only, union...much more difficult because even though it is wrong, they won't go hard on them or back you over them).
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: lifeisgood6447 on April 12, 2021, 03:04:49 pm
I feel like this person's name starts with an 아. I had a bad one a while back, and hopefully it isn't the same one. It was so bad that I found out the old NETs name, emailed him, and then called him to chat about her style, or lack there of.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on April 12, 2021, 07:03:59 pm
So apparently I was not privy to the "English Teacher's meeting".   I had told one of the co-teachers (who doesn't like her) last week of everything...includ ing me wishing to quit unless she stopped harassing me.   A few weeks ago she was displeased with our class not talking on zoom and said she wished to have the materials I was going to use given to her prior to class... DONE...  Then she wanted a lesson plan included... DONE.  Then she wanted a monthly lesson plan, not only for her class, but for the other grades....DONE.   Then she wanted the previous months materials, weekly lesson plans and monthly lesson plan.  She asked for this on a Monday and I was required to do it asap cause the principal and other teachers wanted it.  I stayed until 9:30 on Tuesday (finishing in total 16 lesson plans)... DONE

Then she told me I needed to have all my vacation accounted for (including the winter)...

Everyday there is something.  Everyday there is something wrong.

ETC.

Demartino.....unfor tunately she is a homeroom teacher.  They can't just write her off.  Ohh and apparently she warned them she was going to quit when we earlier got into a minor argument about me being fingerprinted at the door...she said I was uncooperative and unwilling to work with her (bullshit)..

Guys...I thank you so much for all your advice and encouragement today.  I felt so horrible coming to school as I knew it would (the harassment would continue) and I didn't have the strength to deal with it anymore. 

Everyone's comments and suggestions made me feel so much better and gave me courage.  In fact I was listening to Bob Marley in my English room (thank god for my English room) and I heard "Get up, stand up, stand up for your right"....and I was reading your comments and so so touched and incredible grateful this forum exists.

Tomorrow will be hell.  I know it.  She twists everything and manipulates....(the other English teachers still have no knowledge of her "performance" in this morning's class).  I didn't even know if I should mention it to her as there were no witnesses in the room I am assigned to and I was so livid at her behaviour.

I don't know what will/could be resolved tomorrow.  Like I said...at this point I am 95 percent done.  She is the type of person that will never say sorry or acknowledge any wrong-doing..or bend in any way. 

I am not looking forward to tomorrow at all, as I know it will be a circus and I will have to make a decision whether to stay or leave.

It just breaks my heart, as I know I will have to say goodbye to the students and other good teachers at my school who have done nothing, and I will be adding to their workload.  But I will NOT be bullied and I can't live this way.

Thanks again guys.  I am so appreciative for all of you today.  I needed it so much.  Take good care.  Also sorry for my poor English....I'm not paying attention to grammar or spelling at this point  :-[

Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: mollyconley11@gmail.com on April 12, 2021, 07:49:35 pm
I was bullied once by a boss back in America (a long time ago in my early 20's). Nothing I did was good enough. I broke down and cried (in front of her), and I became really insecure. If I've learned anything, it is that you absolutely have to stand up for yourself. It doesn't mean you have to fight. You just have to be assertive and state your case. Don't cry in front of her or she'll probably bully you even more. She could be a narcissist or she could be picking on you in order to build herself up due to some insecurities. Therefore, remember not to take her comments personally. Good luck!
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: thunderlips on April 13, 2021, 12:57:41 am
Also keep in mind you donít have to give 60 days notice. If you get everything sorted to leave before that then do so. They donít deserve any consideration and it wonít effect your severance package. Sorry about your shitty situation.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on April 13, 2021, 12:48:36 pm
Hi everyone,

I hope you are doing well :D
Need some advice....
I am seriously considering resigning from my Gepik contract.  The situation at my school has become almost unbearable as my main coteacher this year seems to have nothing else better to do than borderline harass me (late night texts complaining, early morning messenger complaints about every single class I have with her etc etc etc...I could go on and on but that's neither here nor there.  I feel tremendous anxiety and stress coming to school as I know I will have 7 messages waiting for me of complaints).  All teachers agree she is being unreasonable and unfair (she is a Korean English contract worker and IMO those are the worst)...but I don't see the situation getting any better throughout the year.  It will be a constant struggle, since she is my main handler and obsessed.

This is going to be my last year anyways in Korea and I figure from a mental health point I need to just quit.  I have been with the school for over 4 years and just signed a contract in February.  I know I have to give 60 days notice yet I'm not sure what else gets forfeited (I just received the 1.3 million won as a renewal bonus)  as there isn't a lot of information in my contract about it. 
What about my 900,000 deposit and severance pay? 

ALSO...I just moved (and paid 5 million won deposit) for a new place....
Will the deposit be returned...usually?

I am so discombobulated and sorry if this message scattered.  I'm truly at my wits end.

Any help regarding the Gepik/rental contract would be greatly appreciated :D





If all the other teachers know your co teacher is a physco bitch ask if one of them can become your co teacher in charge of you.  Explain to them that for revenge she'll prob give a fake bad evaluation and you will not be able to renew your contract.  If they like you and want you to stay then another teacher had better take over being responsible for you.  But otherwise, if she's crazy, just ignore her and push back.  You can still stay the year.  She will prob non renew you anyways since she's crazy and is probably a racist foreigner hater anyways.  Sadly, you get these ignorant bigots sometimes and the education office won't let you write an evaluation of her which they should along with an appeals process.  Korean teachers can review us but we can't review them.  Seems racist to me. 

Anyways, just enjoy your year and keep working.  The more she pushes, push back.  Delete texts that come in after 6 pm without looking at them.  Or you won't check them until 8 30 the next business day.  If she's playing head games with you, just ignore her.  If she will try to non renew you at this point she will do it anyways.  Just keep going to work knowing you're leaving when you are done and not give a crap.  That will remove the stress.  Besides, the pay is too low nowadays to put up with that crap.  China and Vietnam are easy to get jobs and public schools are plenty with more pay and less stress (no deskwarming and longer vacations).  Check the China job board and convert the money to Korean won.  But I have seen 23,000 to 28,000 RMB (3935829.00 to 4791444.00 Korean Won) per month offers with free housing, free lunches, and flight reimbursement.  (It is also the law that you can send money home on a legal Z visa though you may have to argue with a lazy teller and bring some extra paperwork each month.  But you can send home a lot more money each month.  Here maybe 500,000 won.  There 2.5 to 3 million won a month.)  Either way, Korea isn't the best deal in town and if some employers want to be jerks and pay low wages, screw em.  What do you need them for?  You can stay here if you want.  But, it's nice to know you have a plan B.  It removes much stress.  Go in everyday without giving a crap about her and push back when she tries her xenophobic foreigner hating nonsense.  You have other better paying options you can jump to.  Don't worry about it anymore. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on April 13, 2021, 01:07:17 pm
I went in today as usual and she told me that she had been thinking about me all weekend and she had a bad weekend because of it....She said our classes together are not good... 

Our first class together she sits at the back of the class with a clipboard and writes shit down furiously while I'm teaching which just made me so nervous and angry.  Then when I'm taking up the dictation she yells/scolds me in front of the class saying she doesn't want me to show them the answers in that way and keeps loudly sighing.  The class got tense and no students wanted to answer (she is their homeroom teacher and they are scared as hell of her) during the following class activities.

I have never in my life been treated like that professionally!  It was humiliating!  She said she is going to have a meeting with all the other English teachers regarding my poor teaching!  (I have been teaching for over 15 years and have never received this kind of treatment or disdain).   I have wonderful classes with my other teachers...they participate and engage and have fun and have never complained or had a bad word to say...and if something doesn't fit we fix it together.

She just sits in judgement in a chair at the back of the class and constantly ask the class..."Jaemiopseoyo? Jaemiopseoyo?  Don't you want a game? "  Not helping at all....not making the situation different...just complaining and making it worse.

So I guess there will be a big meeting about my shitty classes with the other English teachers later this afternoon.  I am so dejected and angry.  I think that she wants to give me a warning letter about my classes (not joking).  She is that type of person.

I truly hope I can get some of that key money back from my housing....will be going over my housing contract tonight with Papago!

You better yell back at her and tell her how unprofessional she is yelling at you in front of the kids.  I'd have walked out on her and gone straight to the VP or P and complained about her lack of professionalism and incompetence.  Her sitting at the back writing about you is one of the oldest intimidation tactics in the books. 

If the other teachers claim she is nuts, they should back you up.  If she gives you a letter, rip it up and write a letter warning her of unprofessionalism writing down every single stupid thing she did and ask her to sign it.  Throw it back in her face.  Also write down that she gave you no help and sat in the back of the class. Sometimes living in Asia you have to be assertive or folks will walk all over you either bluntly like this nutter or more passive aggressively like many others.  It's sad, though there are plenty of great co teachers and great kids here.  I would refuse to sign it period.  Admit nothing and see if you can complain to the city supervisor at the city education office.  (Don't bother with co ordinators, they are completely useless and circle jerk regurgitating whatever the teacher says quoting the company line.)  Stand your ground and write down right now every single bad thing the co teacher did or said to you and also what she did while you were teaching.  Immediately, once she starts hurling bs at you, you hit her back with accusations against her.  You look the other teachers in the eye and remind them how they told you she was crazy if they try to throw you under the bus.  You ask them if they will take her side now after claiming to take yours before.  Ask them if they are people of high character or low character?  Ask them if they are siding with her because they are racist and the foreigner is always wrong?  When you're going down anyways, might as well go nuclear.  You got nothing to lose.  Being a wall flower letting them walk all over you won't help you anyways it seems at this point.  So, you might as well counter punch with accusations.  It also helps if you yell at her bad behaviour, get emotional, and even cry when throwing the racism accusation at them if the other teachers side with her.  Making sure to throw a couple of "how dare you"s into the mix.  Make sure to walk out on them after tearing up at the end if they are not taking your side.  Claim you thought you knew them better than this and that you thought they were better than this.  You also through the tears state the unfairness of this workplace bullying and intimidation and the treatment of you is extremely racist.  (But only do these last parts if the other teachers side with the crazy teacher either complicity via their silence or or openly agreeing with what she said.)  If you are getting a written warning and she is trying to get rid of you, then go to the mattresses.  Might as well go out with a fight and so un nerve her she might think twice before doing this again to another waygook.  Or at least she will have a bad reputation in the schools and at the education office.  Also after this, file a complaint with the local education office against the teacher also alleging racism and foreigner hate as well as intimidation and workplace bullying.  Also find out if you can contact the national human rights commission here?  Go full nuclear if she puts a written warning on you with the support and backing of the other teachers.  If it doesn't get that far, then obviously don't go nuclear.  Just defend yourself.  If you do leave, just go to China and work a public school.  Make more money with less work and tell them to get bent.  Plenty of better paying jobs with less bs to put up with.

https://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/china?koreasearch=&koreapageno=&koreapagesize=&chinasearch=&chinapageno=1&chinapagesize=60&internationalsearch=&internationalpageno=&internationalpagesi ze=

Good luck.  I hope you can make it work for you.  Be strong and psych yourself up for a potential battle. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on April 13, 2021, 01:10:04 pm
If you're a guy don't cry. For women, well it might work, I've seen one teacher weep after an argument with and administrator..

Yeah, I guess I second this.  As a woman cry.  As a man, you will have to raise your voice and be more mad.  Hurl counter accusations about her and if the other teachers take her side and let her give you a written warning, rip it up and walk out on them.  Maybe walk out on them yelling about her racism and unprofessionalism.  Make a point.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on April 13, 2021, 01:26:33 pm
You better yell back at her and tell her how unprofessional she is yelling at you in front of the kids.  I'd have walked out on her and gone straight to the VP or P and complained about her lack of professionalism and incompetence.  Her sitting at the back writing about you is one of the oldest intimidation tactics in the books. 

If the other teachers claim she is nuts, they should back you up.  If she gives you a letter, rip it up and write a letter warning her of unprofessionalism writing down every single stupid thing she did and ask her to sign it.  Throw it back in her face.  Also write down that she gave you no help and sat in the back of the class. Sometimes living in Asia you have to be assertive or folks will walk all over you either bluntly like this nutter or more passive aggressively like many others.  It's sad, though there are plenty of great co teachers and great kids here.  I would refuse to sign it period.  Admit nothing and see if you can complain to the city supervisor at the city education office.  (Don't bother with co ordinators, they are completely useless and circle jerk regurgitating whatever the teacher says quoting the company line.)  Stand your ground and write down right now every single bad thing the co teacher did or said to you and also what she did while you were teaching.  Immediately, once she starts hurling bs at you, you hit her back with accusations against her.  You look the other teachers in the eye and remind them how they told you she was crazy if they try to throw you under the bus.  You ask them if they will take her side now after claiming to take yours before.  Ask them if they are people of high character or low character?  Ask them if they are siding with her because they are racist and the foreigner is always wrong?  When you're going down anyways, might as well go nuclear.  You got nothing to lose.  Being a wall flower letting them walk all over you won't help you anyways it seems at this point.  So, you might as well counter punch with accusations.  It also helps if you yell at her bad behaviour, get emotional, and even cry when throwing the racism accusation at them if the other teachers side with her.  Making sure to throw a couple of "how dare you"s into the mix.  Make sure to walk out on them after tearing up at the end if they are not taking your side.  Claim you thought you knew them better than this and that you thought they were better than this.  You also through the tears state the unfairness of this workplace bullying and intimidation and the treatment of you is extremely racist.  (But only do these last parts if the other teachers side with the crazy teacher either complicity via their silence or or openly agreeing with what she said.)  If you are getting a written warning and she is trying to get rid of you, then go to the mattresses.  Might as well go out with a fight and so un nerve her she might think twice before doing this again to another waygook.  Or at least she will have a bad reputation in the schools and at the education office.  Also after this, file a complaint with the local education office against the teacher also alleging racism and foreigner hate as well as intimidation and workplace bullying.  Also find out if you can contact the national human rights commission here?  Go full nuclear if she puts a written warning on you with the support and backing of the other teachers.  If it doesn't get that far, then obviously don't go nuclear.  Just defend yourself.  If you do leave, just go to China and work a public school.  Make more money with less work and tell them to get bent.  Plenty of better paying jobs with less bs to put up with.

https://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/china?koreasearch=&koreapageno=&koreapagesize=&chinasearch=&chinapageno=1&chinapagesize=60&internationalsearch=&internationalpageno=&internationalpagesi ze=

Good luck.  I hope you can make it work for you.  Be strong and psych yourself up for a potential battle.
I...I would not do this. You can stand your ground and win. I already explained how. You have the thing that wins- She isn't teaching. Just stick to that. Just tell them how your class is run, that she just sits in a chair and doesn't teach the kids. That's all you have to say. You've already won.

There's a term: Over-selling. Ranting about racism and expanding this to the county office and so on is over-selling. You can end this here and end it quietly and in your favor. you can do it calmly and in a manner that both gets respect for you and respects them. Don't drag other teachers in this. If the Principal or VP want the view of other teachers, they'll ask for them in their own time. If you try to over-sell and start talking about escalating this and making it big and dramatic, they may just shut down completely.

You might get more passionate later on if this escalates, but for now, that's not necessary.

"Should a teacher be at the front teaching or in the back sitting?"
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on April 13, 2021, 01:35:07 pm
Take DeMartinos advice and be calm and rational while the crazy steam rolls over you.  Good luck with that.  I've seen more than a few foreign teachers get non renewed and booted due to them not fighting back and being too passive.  She's already frothing at the mouth for you.  Might as well go all in.  She's already gone nuclear for you. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: tylerthegloob on April 13, 2021, 01:40:37 pm
Also find out if you can contact the national human rights commission here?
lol wtf?
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on April 13, 2021, 01:42:40 pm
Take DeMartinos advice and be calm and rational while the crazy steam rolls over you.  Good luck with that.  I've seen more than a few foreign teachers get non renewed and booted due to them not fighting back and being too passive.  She's already frothing at the mouth for you.  Might as well go all in.  She's already gone nuclear for you. 
Why should anyone listen to someone who already believes this is over and you're going to lose and whose answer is basically mutually assured destruction?
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When you're going down anyways, might as well go nuclear.  You got nothing to lose.

Anyways, who said anything about not fighting back? My advice is to fight back. Just not to do so like an unhinged lunatic. The kill-shot is already there. If she already threatened to quit over you, they've probably already reached the conclusion SHE is the problem. As I said, you have the upper hand. Now you can provide them a reason to terminate her with cause.

There's no need for you to go all-in when she is completely on tilt going all-in with 500 in chips and you're sitting on a stack of 10,000. You only need to call. You've already won. You're not going down at all. She is. It's only a question of when and how hard you want to slam her.

In fact, the only thing that can probably save her is for dippedinblush to meltdown as well. She's trying to drag dib into the mud with her.

Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on April 13, 2021, 01:59:27 pm
If the teacher has already lined the deck against her and come at her with a written warning with the other teacher's permissions, then it's already over.  Refuse to sign it and go nuclear back.  Deal with crazy with crazy yourself.  If someone is calm and rational, I will be calm and rational.  I did once have a teacher yell at me in front of the students in a class.  I yelled back at her in front of them asking why she was so unprofessional and what was wrong with her?  She cried and apologized.  I don't say that to gloat, but sometimes you got to stand your ground. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: OnNut81 on April 13, 2021, 02:53:32 pm
I don't think this is even necessary because it was just so patently ridiculous, but absolutely ignore everything Hangook just spat out.  That was advice that was guaranteed to put you on the losing end.  Hangook clearly has some deep rooted issues from his time in Korea and it's amazingly not all pay related (although nice how he managed to work his tired and worn "better jobs elsewhere" spiel into the mix.) 

State your issues clearly and respectfully.  Don't let the woman rile you up no matter how bad she's acting.  Her yelling and being angry while you remain calm causes her to lose face.  Taking hangook's asinine advice and going nuclear would only reduce the both of you to objects of disdain at your school.  If things can't be solved let them them know politely and serenely you'll be leaving at your earliest convenience (She'll be raging inside if you're not reacting in tears or anger to her harassment.) This will absolutely be what causes them all a headache, no matter how they react.  They are going to be inconvenienced and pissed at the contract teacher. Beyond question her reputation will suffer.  The only reason one would go Hangook's route is if you've been harbouring resentment and bottling it up over the years, and are just an angry person now because you have always been afraid to speak up for yourself.  Any well adjusted adult would feel no need to get down in the mud and behave like an immature idiot in this situation.  Getting angry and giving a big F U to your school and staff as Kook suggested would only make a good story about the crazy foreigner that would be told for years. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: StillInKorea on April 13, 2021, 07:40:08 pm
An hour of an English-speaking lawyer's time costs a little over 200,000 KRW in Korea. I feel like a letter from a lawyer could fix your problem quickly and for a very reasonable price. Don't make empty threats, but do have a letter sent. A lot of crazy people here will back off when you fight fire with fire.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: DocH on April 14, 2021, 04:40:31 am
File  a complaint. 

https://www.epeople.go.kr/foreigners/pps/pps.npaid
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Kyndo on April 14, 2021, 07:22:14 am
     Yelling at one's coworkers is a surefire way to lose whatever credibility one has built up over the years. It'll also damage the credibility of other foreign workers. Please don't do that.
You fight fire with water, not fire. Doing anything else just escalates the situation, and that's never a good idea when the decks are very much stacked against you, as is generally the case for NETs.

In my opinion, OnNut81's advice is dead on. +1
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: DocH on April 14, 2021, 07:28:08 am
File  a complaint. 

https://www.epeople.go.kr/foreigners/pps/pps.npaid

Does anyone really think there is a credible chance of the school taking the side of a foreigner?

File the complaint....
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: DocH on April 14, 2021, 07:43:23 am
I...I would not do this. You can stand your ground and win. I already explained how. You have the thing that wins- She isn't teaching. Just stick to that. Just tell them how your class is run, that she just sits in a chair and doesn't teach the kids. That's all you have to say. You've already won.

There's a term: Over-selling. Ranting about racism and expanding this to the county office and so on is over-selling. You can end this here and end it quietly and in your favor. you can do it calmly and in a manner that both gets respect for you and respects them. Don't drag other teachers in this. If the Principal or VP want the view of other teachers, they'll ask for them in their own time. If you try to over-sell and start talking about escalating this and making it big and dramatic, they may just shut down completely.

You might get more passionate later on if this escalates, but for now, that's not necessary.

"Should a teacher be at the front teaching or in the back sitting?"

Right, and you don't think there won't be an attempt for the person to dodge, deflect, project and simply wiggle out of the situation by presenting a list of typical excuses Koreans make? 

OP...just file a complaint via the link provided earlier.  It does not seem (could be wrong) you will come out of this unscathed...much less, successfully. 

File...the...compla int.

https://www.epeople.go.kr/foreigners/pps/pps.npaid
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: lifeisgood6447 on April 14, 2021, 07:57:47 am
Does anyone really think there is a credible chance of the school taking the side of a foreigner?

File the complaint....

There is a credible chance. One was let go because of me, and another hired in her place. She then tried to be re-hired the next semester, but was met with a no.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: JenniferNZ1 on April 14, 2021, 07:59:48 am
Hello
This posting has re-raised a lot of issues with me from a similar type of incident.  I just had a co-teacher sort of similar for 6 months.  For the first 2-4 weeks it was OK and then it suddenly changed and just got worse.  I kept hoping it would get better and continued to do my best and give no reasons for complaints - as you sound to have done.  Just typing and thinking about it brings back the tension and anxiety.  It was 2016-2017 so quite a while ago but it still affects me at times.  Good on you for trying to do something about it.

As you have said one of your options is to leave but I don't think you will get your housing deposit back (it could be used by the landlord to cover the rent for the rest of the year etc - I'm just guessing here).
The other option it to try and get a working solution.
It seems as if the teacher either doesn't like working with foreigners or is insecure about herself so it taking it out on you to make herself feel better.  Not at all professional!

Here are a couple of solutions you could propose to enable you to complete the contract (10 1/2 more months if you are a Spring intake which I think you said you were).
1) Instead of co-teaching with her - she can teach the class on her own and you can do extra afterschool classes. (I know afterschool classes are more work - but easier than what you are going through!)
2) She teaches the first 20 minutes and then you teach the second 20 minutes. (I suggest you teach the second part as if you finish 30 seconds late or early before her, she would complain.
3) Possibly you teach the class with out her present (I know this is in breach of the classroom setting but it is better than having her very negative presence at the back of the room.  Having someone judging every word, movement, look that you make is very undermining).
4) Ask for someone else to be your main co-teacher - to help you and advise you with any school situations.

These are just 3 suggestions - showing that you aren't trying to get out of the work but want to make a workable solution.

If the meeting that was had didn't resolve anything, I would also suggest you contact the Office of Education and ask for their advice and suggestions.  Maybe they could mediate between you to make a working solution for the rest of the contract. (or even change your school in August (if you can survive that long).

If you are like me you don't like to feel like you failed to complete your contract, but your mental health (and subsequently physical health) is worth more than money.

I know the korean teacher has their side to the story and their perceived slights etc but professionalism should still rule.  Telling you off in front of students and correcting you in front of them is not acceptable - undermining you with the students.  I found it really hard to know what to do when this happened.  I told my co-teacher we needed to speak in the hallway as it wasn't good to do this in front of the students!  But still very uncomfortable.

I do hope you can find some way to get this to work.
All the best

Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: DocH on April 14, 2021, 08:01:44 am
File...the...compla int

https://www.epeople.go.kr/foreigners/pps/pps.npaid
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: D.L.Orean on April 14, 2021, 08:05:23 am
File...the...complaint

https://www.epeople.go.kr/foreigners/pps/pps.npaid

It's a little unclear. Do you think they should file a complaint or not?
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: DocH on April 14, 2021, 08:06:16 am
It's a little unclear. Do you think they should file a complaint or not?


Let me ask my staff.....


Yep..the agree...

File...the...compla int.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Sharpie22 on April 14, 2021, 08:08:27 am
Does anyone really think there is a credible chance of the school taking the side of a foreigner?

File the complaint....
Not saying filing a complaint is a bad idea, but I do want to point out that some people will take the side of the foreigner.
When I first came here, there was apparently a huge fight between my co-teacher and the previous NET. The principal took the NET's side and asked that the teacher leave decisions up to the NET. If a principal seems to value English education, especially from a NET, and the co-teacher is as nuts as is being said, then I don't think everything is hopeless.

Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: DocH on April 14, 2021, 08:11:58 am
Not saying filing a complaint is a bad idea, but I do want to point out that some people will take the side of the foreigner.
When I first came here, there was apparently a huge fight between my co-teacher and the previous NET. The principal took the NET's side and asked that the teacher leave decisions up to the NET. If a principal seems to value English education, especially from a NET, and the co-teacher is as nuts as is being said, then I don't think everything is hopeless.

I can meet you half way on that...much depends on the principle .

But...filing the complaint is the best option.  Based on what has been written, there will be no compromise and why should the OP have to work with such a wretched insect? 


File...the...compla int. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: lifeisgood6447 on April 14, 2021, 08:16:58 am
I can meet you half way on that...much depends on the principle .

But...filing the complaint is the best option.  Based on what has been written, there will be no compromise and why should the OP have to work with such a wretched insect? 


File...the...compla int. 

But... Should OP file a complaint though?
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: DocH on April 14, 2021, 08:18:03 am
But... Should OP file a complaint though?

Hmmm...good question. 

YEP!

 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: OnNut81 on April 14, 2021, 09:30:26 am
Hmmm...good question. 

YEP!

 

Based on what?  Why does she have grounds for a complaint with an outside agency?  Is her contract being violated?  She has a situation with an unprofessional and harassing co-teacher.  That's something that should be dealt with in house at the moment. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: DocH on April 14, 2021, 09:44:52 am
Based on what?  Why does she have grounds for a complaint with an outside agency?  Is her contract being violated?  She has a situation with an unprofessional and harassing co-teacher.  That's something that should be dealt with in house at the moment.


...pretty sure the labor law(s) have something to say about harrassment and if the school does nothing about it, then that is a new level.

In fact, if more foreign teachers knew about this, and took action, rather than accepting an unnecessary fate, that might just contribute to raising Korea's already dismal reputation......... .......don't ya think?

Though, this is predicated on if the school does  as what typically happens... blame the foreigner.  Granted, a few of you have won your battles.  But, you guys are in the minority.

People don't deserve to be treated like that, in the way the OP described. 

You either stand your ground and take action, or you just help perpetuate the reputation Korea has.

I've done it....printed it out, showed to the party in question and simply said "We can keep on going.  I'm happy to come at you. Or, you can leave me the phuck alone"......(actual words). 

It worked.

But, this is not about me (or any of you).....I still suggest filing the complaint (if, the school does nothing to remedy the situation in a productive way).

Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: OnNut81 on April 14, 2021, 10:20:28 am

...pretty sure the labor law(s) have something to say about harrassment and if the school does nothing about it, then that is a new level.

In fact, if more foreign teachers knew about this, and took action, rather than accepting an unnecessary fate, that might just contribute to raising Korea's already dismal reputation......... .......don't ya think?

Though, this is predicated on if the school does  as what typically happens... blame the foreigner.  Granted, a few of you have won your battles.  But, you guys are in the minority.

People don't deserve to be treated like that, in the way the OP described. 

You either stand your ground and take action, or you just help perpetuate the reputation Korea has.

I've done it....printed it out, showed to the party in question and simply said "We can keep on going.  I'm happy to come at you. Or, you can leave me the phuck alone"......(actual words). 

It worked.

But, this is not about me (or any of you).....I still suggest filing the complaint (if, the school does nothing to remedy the situation in a productive way).



If it comes to the school doing nothing, then she might as well, I just think it's a bit premature for that.  She needs to sit down with the powers that be at her school and state clearly what is happening and then see how they handle it.  Even if they do feel compelled to go the "support the Korean" route on the surface, if D.I.B. really splits there is going to be payback for that Korean teacher.  She'll have inconvenienced and caused some level of problem for anyone involved.  She won't escape unscathed.  Unless, of course. OP follows Hangook's advice and goes mental at school.  Then, she's accomplished nothing. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: DocH on April 14, 2021, 10:29:49 am
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If it comes to the school doing nothing, then she might as well, I just think it's a bit premature for that.  She needs to sit down with the powers that be at her school and state clearly what is happening and then see how they handle it.  Even if they do feel compelled to go the "support the Korean" route on the surface, if D.I.B. really splits there is going to be payback for that Korean teacher.  She'll have inconvenienced and caused some level of problem for anyone involved.  She won't escape unscathed.  Unless, of course. OP follows Hangook's advice and goes mental at school.  Then, she's accomplished nothing. 

Well...we're not fortune tellers and the norm is "Support the Korean"...we both know that. 

Again....standing one's ground  and being ready to take action, go a long way. 

But, I acknowledge your point.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on April 14, 2021, 01:50:58 pm
If it comes to the school doing nothing, then she might as well, I just think it's a bit premature for that.  She needs to sit down with the powers that be at her school and state clearly what is happening and then see how they handle it.  Even if they do feel compelled to go the "support the Korean" route on the surface, if D.I.B. really splits there is going to be payback for that Korean teacher.  She'll have inconvenienced and caused some level of problem for anyone involved.  She won't escape unscathed.  Unless, of course. OP follows Hangook's advice and goes mental at school.  Then, she's accomplished nothing. 

What about my advice.  I said if she is summoned into a meeting of teachers and is given a written warning and a long list of job criticisms.  At this point they have turned against you and stuck together and there is nothing to lose.  They went mental on you so go nuclear on them.  At this point you have nothing to lose.  Sucking up and being even nicer after this will not earn you more respect and get you a contract renewal.  But be a cuck or whatever you want. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: 745sticky on April 14, 2021, 02:01:48 pm
  But be a cuck or whatever you want.

it was only a matter of time before hangook found that word
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: tylerthegloob on April 14, 2021, 02:06:11 pm
thats it im contacting the national cuck rights commission. this is the last straw hangook. i'm gonna go nuclear on you
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on April 14, 2021, 02:06:37 pm
What about my advice.  I said if she is summoned into a meeting of teachers and is given a written warning and a long list of job criticisms.  At this point they have turned against you and stuck together and there is nothing to lose.  They went mental on you so go nuclear on them.  At this point you have nothing to lose.  Sucking up and being even nicer after this will not earn you more respect and get you a contract renewal.  But be a cuck or whatever you want.
As someone who has seen plenty of people go down that road with the same logic you have, let me say that there is always more to lose. When you start to flip out and go mental, things outside your control become much more likely and you tend to make really bad decisions.

Anyways, you can still turn that situation around. You have to be strong, not crazy. And you have to focus in on the weak point, not just rant and fling stuff on random, incoherent points. It's not about having many flimsy points in an argument in Korea, it's about having one that's the strongest.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: chimp on April 14, 2021, 02:09:52 pm
Go absolutely bananas in pajamas. Even go ape-shit if you feel the need.

You are part of an expensive and largely useless program. Everyone will be thrilled at this extra distraction.

On a more serious note, do you really want/need to be here that bad? Resign and make it clear in your resignation letter why you quit. It simply isn't worth it and to be frank these people don't deserve someone earnest enough to twist themselves up over such a job. They don't care, students and teachers alike, and neither should you.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on April 14, 2021, 02:20:25 pm
As someone who has seen plenty of people go down that road with the same logic you have, let me say that there is always more to lose. When you start to flip out and go mental, things outside your control become much more likely and you tend to make really bad decisions.

Anyways, you can still turn that situation around. You have to be strong, not crazy. And you have to focus in on the weak point, not just rant and fling stuff on random, incoherent points. It's not about having many flimsy points in an argument in Korea, it's about having one that's the strongest.

Co teacher went nuts and sucking up after the written warning and criticisms lobbied with the other teachers agreeing with her will not save your job.  It's already shot not matter how much you suck up and try to be meek and mild making nice. If she gives you the written warning and the criticism in front of the others they are agreeing with her.  You sign if you want.  I wouldn't.  I would list all the criticisms I have of her including her unprofessionalism and racism singling out the foreign teacher (write it down on a list and bring it into the meeting to read from).  Then cry and then yell and then walk out if a woman.  If a man, yell and walk out.  Start out calm and if she is badgering you and acting crazy like a physco yelling and belitting you, then yes raise your voice, mention your points and walk out on them.  Refuse to sign.  Labor board, human rights commission, education office, and whomever else you can complain to. 

On the other hand if nothing comes of this 'meeting' no written warning or verbal bashing or criticism of you, then sure, do nothing.  Smile and nod politely and go home.  Call it a day and do none of the above.  But if ambushed stick up for yourself.  Take the advice or don't take it.  Pack your bags or don't pack your bags.  But every single person who tried to make nice when getting hit with this kind of verbal assault and workplace bullying didn't get their ass saved by trying to be even nicer and even more passive.  Sometimes you may even have to walk, but you will have your pride and dignity.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on April 14, 2021, 02:30:45 pm
Co teacher went nuts and sucking up after the written warning and criticisms lobbied with the other teachers agreeing with her will not save your job.  It's already shot not matter how much you suck up and try to be meek and mild making nice. I
Dude, no one is saying to be make and mild and make nice. It's simply the difference between between fighting with discipline vs. charging and screaming wildly with no plan in mind like some sort of deranged lunatic.

Your approach is to fling spaghetti at the wall. We're saying- go for the kill shot.

Anyways, is this even about helping dib? Or is this about you living vicariously through someone else and hoping you get to experience some great moment of catharsis through them?
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Wlvers on April 14, 2021, 03:44:52 pm
My years in customer service (serving, tending bar, managing in hotels and on cruise lines) really help in Korea. Here's my advice and it works most of the time for me in life whenever I have conflict with someone.

Don't take a combative approach. It won't solve anything and will only damage the ego of the other person when your goal should be to scaffold it.

An easy way to address it is using the HEART approach.

Hear: engage her in a friendly and non-antagonistic manner. Listen to her points raptly and don't react to any of them.

Empathize: try and see her side, as crazy as it might seem. Throw in a few "I appreciate how it must be difficult to work with someone from a different culture, in a different language who doesn't fully understand the details of the Korean education system" etc.

Apologize: be careful here, don't assume too much blame but rather frame it as you're sorry this situation came about and that the relationship between you has become strained.

Resolve: tell her you respect her experience and knowledge and would appreciate any help she could give you, tell her you're always looking to improve as a teacher and will try your hardest to make things better going forwards.

Thank: thank her for bringing this to your attention and giving you both the opportunity to fix the situation and your working relationship.

Is it being a "cuck"? No, it's being smart and socially manipulative to get what you want. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

I'm not saying this situation is on you at all. I know her type and they suck, really. But in life we're all gonna meet unreasonable people and being able to deal with them in a productive way is a valuable skill.

Still, be firm and assertive. Don't be meek or timid. Definitely don't cry. But don't be looking for a fight, the game is rigged against you and you'll lose.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: HiddenInKorea on April 14, 2021, 04:46:14 pm
Iím sorry to hear that youíre going through such a sh****ty situation in your final year teaching here, and after a decade of excellent teaching judging by your great relationships with other co-teachers and renewal for the past 10 years!

Please donít quit! You invested a lot into your teaching career and deserve every last pay cheque and exit allowance and your apartment deposit back!

I agree with the HEART approached mentioned above, and while talking with her using that method audio record every bit of it.  Also when she mentions your problems, empathize with her by saying Iím sorry you feel that way, and the address her not helping out or working with your to fix the problems, and address her inappropriate behavior in class doing nothing, yelling at you, bothering the students... and mention to her that you have been renewed for the past 10 years, which wouldnít have been possible if you were a bad teacher and that you have a wonderful co-teaching experience with the other teachers.

Later, ask her calmly about how the both of you can work together better in the future?

If worst come to worst, tell her calmly.... I donít want to be your enemy. I am a contract teacher like you, we are both vulnerable in this field..We should be supporting each other and not attacking.

Tell her that if she doesnít stop harassing you, you will take this to the hire ups and file complains and also make legal complaints, which you really donít want to do because you understand that she needs this job to support her self.

Tell her that you have nothing to lose (lie a little), tell her you can go back to your home country at anytime or even to go another country easily and have nothing to lose, but she has to stay in Korea and support her self on the salary she makes here and you would feel awful to ruin her chances of working as a teacher.... but will do so if she doesnít leave you alone..
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: gogators! on April 15, 2021, 05:11:51 am
I can meet you half way on that...much depends on the principle .

But...filing the complaint is the best option.  Based on what has been written, there will be no compromise and why should the OP have to work with such a wretched insect? 


File...the...compla int.
So one should file the complaint on principle, consequences be damned?
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: gogators! on April 15, 2021, 05:16:45 am
Iím sorry to hear that youíre going through such a sh****ty situation in your final year teaching here, and after a decade of excellent teaching judging by your great relationships with other co-teachers and renewal for the past 10 years!

Please donít quit! You invested a lot into your teaching career and deserve every last pay cheque and exit allowance and your apartment deposit back!

I agree with the HEART approached mentioned above, and while talking with her using that method audio record every bit of it.  Also when she mentions your problems, empathize with her by saying Iím sorry you feel that way, and the address her not helping out or working with your to fix the problems, and address her inappropriate behavior in class doing nothing, yelling at you, bothering the students... and mention to her that you have been renewed for the past 10 years, which wouldnít have been possible if you were a bad teacher and that you have a wonderful co-teaching experience with the other teachers.

Later, ask her calmly about how the both of you can work together better in the future?

If worst come to worst, tell her calmly.... I donít want to be your enemy. I am a contract teacher like you, we are both vulnerable in this field..We should be supporting each other and not attacking.

Tell her that if she doesnít stop harassing you, you will take this to the hire ups and file complains and also make legal complaints, which you really donít want to do because you understand that she needs this job to support her self.

Tell her that you have nothing to lose (lie a little), tell her you can go back to your home country at anytime or even to go another country easily and have nothing to lose, but she has to stay in Korea and support her self on the salary she makes here and you would feel awful to ruin her chances of working as a teacher.... but will do so if she doesnít leave you alone..
Great advice, even if it interrupts the show--hankook vs. martini. But much better than having to listen to Tom Selleck selling reverse mortgages to senior citizen suckers.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: thunderlips on April 15, 2021, 07:29:18 am
Hi everyone,

I hope you are doing well :D
Need some advice....
I am seriously considering resigning from my Gepik contract.  The situation at my school has become almost unbearable as my main coteacher this year seems to have nothing else better to do than borderline harass me (late night texts complaining, early morning messenger complaints about every single class I have with her etc etc etc...I could go on and on but that's neither here nor there.  I feel tremendous anxiety and stress coming to school as I know I will have 7 messages waiting for me of complaints).  All teachers agree she is being unreasonable and unfair (she is a Korean English contract worker and IMO those are the worst)...but I don't see the situation getting any better throughout the year.  It will be a constant struggle, since she is my main handler and obsessed.

This is going to be my last year anyways in Korea and I figure from a mental health point I need to just quit.  I have been with the school for over 4 years and just signed a contract in February.  I know I have to give 60 days notice yet I'm not sure what else gets forfeited (I just received the 1.3 million won as a renewal bonus)  as there isn't a lot of information in my contract about it. 
What about my 900,000 deposit and severance pay? 

ALSO...I just moved (and paid 5 million won deposit) for a new place....
Will the deposit be returned...usually?

I am so discombobulated and sorry if this message scattered.  I'm truly at my wits end.

Any help regarding the Gepik/rental contract would be greatly appreciated :D





Any updates?

Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: JenniferNZ1 on April 15, 2021, 07:35:51 am

Apologize: be careful here, don't assume too much blame but rather frame it as you're sorry this situation came about and that the relationship between you has become strained.


Just be careful not to use the words 'I'm sorry'.  In Korean 'I'm sorry' is usually translated into  미안해요 I apologize - indicating that you are in the wrong.  I found this out the hard way!  When I said 'I'm sorry' my co-teacher saw me as saying that I was taking the blame and it was my fault.  I was meaning it in the 'I'm sad/It's is regrettable/unfortunate' way.  She felt I was being hypocritcal and even said 'You're not sorry'.  She was correct I wasn't sorry in the way she meant it - as in I wasn't shouldering the blame.  I think this miscommunication was a big part of our problems.  I didn't discover the different connotations of 'I'm sorry' until a year later!

Iím sorry    
- 미안해요 I apologize
-   유감입니다 It is a shame. It is unfortunate. It is regrettable
- 힘드시겠어요  It must be difficult for you
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on April 15, 2021, 10:10:55 am
Thanks guys and gals for all your suggestions!

So.....what I have isn't really an update...

The English teachers met and I wasn't aware of what was discussed or given any basic information of what was said at all.  The next day the coteacher in question cool messaged me with a sample resignation letter and told me good luck in my future!!  (That was Tuesday)...

I didn't hear anything until yesterday when had to ask one of my coteachers what was happening?!   She said that they (English teachers) had a meeting and then the two of them (there are 4 of us in total) went to go and speak with the principal.

I haven't heard anything since then.  I don't know what the outcome is or anything.  The coteacher is not messaging me anymore and when we have class (online) she just puts up a hand drawn picture of herself on the screen..... :rolleyes:

My stomach has been in ropes for days and I truly have no idea what is going on.  I don't really know what to do, actually....and am anticipating the worst.

One thing I can say is that the HEART method will not work in this situation.  It's too far gone and I'm not apologizing to someone who has been harassing me and making my life hell.  The HEART method works with sane and rational people.   

So I'm just waiting for the dreaded call to come to the principal's office....Geez I feel like I'm in middle school and am in trouble....this worst feeling ever....my anxiety is through the roof right now.

Again, thanks for all the encouragement and helpful suggestions.   :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: CO2 on April 15, 2021, 10:29:02 am
- Late calls/texts complaining or threating me to not speak to anyone else at school and to come home from visiting friends

How does this work? What did she say? How did she know?

Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: thunderlips on April 15, 2021, 10:38:03 am
Wow that sucks. If they force you to resign, consider quitting immediately. Unless you want to go for a d-10 visa then you will need the release letter.

Really terrible you have to deal with this nut job and the lack of support is typical unfortunately.

I know someone hiring for a net in Suncheon I can send you their contact details.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: carolpitje1 on April 15, 2021, 10:47:00 am
How does this work? What did she say? How did she know?

This happened after i first reported her to the school, she got mad and decided to pitch up at my apartment at around 22:00/23:00 unfortunately i had visited a friend in wonju and she did tell me she'll be coming by i just started getting calls and text, tell me she's at my door and the i need to be home immediately, we aren't allowed to leave our homes and etc after i explained that i cant make it she said i disrespected her and stay there for almost an hour calling and texting it was really scary. she'll say stuff like don't talk to any of the other teachers or your friends. etc.
And even with these texts, my recordings and letter i wrote her, that stuff wasn't even considered instead they ignored for the rest of the year and told be "things will be different next year".
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on April 15, 2021, 10:47:24 am
I haven't heard anything since then.  I don't know what the outcome is or anything.  The coteacher is not messaging me anymore and when we have class (online) she just puts up a hand drawn picture of herself on the screen..... :rolleyes:
And with that she just sealed her fate. Seriously, if this were a soccer match, you could be the goalie and pour yourself a mojito and lie down on the goal line a this point.

Seriously, you've won. I assume you record your Zoom classes? It's game over for her.

Just remember these three things because I assume at some point there's going to be a meeting and you MUST mention them at any meeting where it looks like you are about to be questioned about your coteaching relationship-
1. She doesn't teach in class. She just sits down. Please ask the students or check the CCTV.
1A. She doesn't teach in Zoom classes. She turns her camera off during class time so the students can't see her. Please check the Zoom recording.
2. "I really didn't want to do this, but since this is getting so serious, I'm afraid I have to- She's been messaging me late at night and early in the morning."

Also, I assume you're the senior teacher in terms of employment duration and have had a good relationship with the school, yes? If so that's the closer.

If you are going to apologize for anything, apologize to them for not telling them sooner about her not doing her responsibilities. That you wanted a harmonious relationship and all that and also language problems. THAT is the kind of apology that will work- Don't apologize one bit to that scumbag CT. But that kind of "I'm sorry I didn't report this sooner because I want to be a no-drama team player" to your manager is no biggie. Just makes you look even better.

In Korea, one of THE cardinal sins in teaching is to not look active. You can have mindless rote memorization and listen and repeat, but the teacher damn well better be at the front of the class and active. If the teacher is in the back, the students damn well better be doing something fun and active involving the lesson. We all know how much about looks Korea is.

Seriously, her camera not being on during Zoom is game over. I really think she will be at a minimum reprimanded, if not outright terminated for that.

Nothing else matters in this. This isn't about you. This is about her not doing her job, your best efforts to be a team-player, and you are now deciding to inform your manager about it.

Seriously, you've got this! I know in the murkiness and drama of it, it can look really bad. I'd say just pour a cup of tea focus on the essentials and then all of a sudden that moment of calmness and clarity will come and with it the realization, "Hey, I'm about to take this b--- down!"
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: carolpitje1 on April 15, 2021, 10:49:28 am
Wow that sucks. If they force you to resign, consider quitting immediately. Unless you want to go for a d-10 visa then you will need the release letter.

Really terrible you have to deal with this nut job and the lack of support is typical unfortunately.

I know someone hiring for a net in Suncheon I can send you their contact details.

I was actually searching on here for some work when i finish this contract, i finish in July and it would be great if i could stay another 6 months! Please send me their details and job requirements if you have any info on that or otherwise i can ask them directly. Thanks so much
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: CO2 on April 15, 2021, 10:50:19 am
tell me she's at my door and the i need to be home immediately, we aren't allowed to leave our homes and etc after i explained that i cant make it she said i disrespected her
Imagine this was a guy doing this to a woman after not getting a second date?
The police would be involved, FFS. I

I've said this 1000 times, once 4:40 hits, leave me the f alone. There's nothing so important at the public school that it can't wait for tomorrow.

We're not doctors, we're not law enforcement. "HOLY SHIT, THE PPT HAS A SPELLING ERROR IN IT!!!!!!!!! TEXT ME."

Like............... ................... ... no. F off.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: carolpitje1 on April 15, 2021, 10:56:59 am
Imagine this was a guy doing this to a woman after not getting a second date?
The police would be involved, FFS. I

I've said this 1000 times, once 4:40 hits, leave me the f alone. There's nothing so important at the public school that it can't wait for tomorrow.

We're not doctors, we're not law enforcement. "HOLY SHIT, THE PPT HAS A SPELLING ERROR IN IT!!!!!!!!! TEXT ME."

Like............... ................... ... no. F off.

You wouldn't believe it! I even involved the cops and to this day nothing has been done about the theft and etc. I followed up and they still haven't found the furnisher or any info.
I'm not sure if this would be labelled as racism but i assume mostly it's because i am a black "african", well South African foreigner 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: fka on April 15, 2021, 11:00:30 am
Good luck to everyone dealing with these issues. I don't have much advice, but you do have my sympathies.

Luckily I've never been through anything like this in Korea but I know several people who have. A friend of mine worked for a kindergarten and had to move to another city with 3 months left on her contract because her husband got a job that they couldn't refuse. In retaliation for breaking the contract, the boss put out the word that my friend was to be treated as a "non-person" (I can't remember the Korean word for this... but they have a word for targets of their bullying, and that's how it literally translates. It basically means that you don't deserve the dignity normally afforded to a human). So all the women at the kindergarten had to engage in this elaborate, theatrical bullying for about six weeks, even though it affected the quality of classes, basic admin functions, etc. She'd previously had no communication outside of work hours prior to that, but sure enough the nocturnal Kakao harassment started up.   

Insane. I wish there was something I could do to help.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: carolpitje1 on April 15, 2021, 11:04:24 am
Good luck to everyone dealing with these issues. I don't have much advice, but you do have my sympathies.

Luckily I've never been through anything like this in Korea but I know several people who have. A friend of mine worked for a kindergarten and had to move to another city with 3 months left on her contract because her husband got a job that they couldn't refuse. In retaliation for breaking the contract, the boss put out the word that my friend was to be treated as a "non-person" (I can't remember the Korean word for this... but they have a word for targets of their bullying, and that's how it literally translates. It basically means that you don't deserve the dignity normally afforded to a human). So all the women at the kindergarten had to engage in this elaborate, theatrical bullying for about six weeks, even though it affected the quality of classes, basic admin functions, etc. She'd previously had no communication outside of work hours prior to that, but sure enough the nocturnal Kakao harassment started up.   

Insane. I wish there was something I could do to help.

Oh My God! That's scary, i hope she' was able to move on from this! I can't imagine her anxiety wow! Sending her strength
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: fka on April 15, 2021, 11:04:58 am
Thanks! It was a while ago and everything worked out well.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: njarlson on April 15, 2021, 12:18:10 pm
I didn't hear anything until yesterday when had to ask one of my coteachers what was happening?!   She said that they (English teachers) had a meeting and then the two of them (there are 4 of us in total) went to go and speak with the principal.


I would suggest, if you're not already, being very pushy about this. Don't stop asking until they tell you in detail what was discussed in the meeting and what they talked to the principal about, or even request a meeting with one (or both) of them and the principal so that you can get your side in. Even if the other English teachers are on your side, their retelling of events can differ from your own or potentially make the situation seem not as bad. I highly, highly urge you to fight back and let your voice be heard. Don't sit in anxiety waiting for dreaded news, annoy them until they tell you what the hell is happening so that you can defend yourself. It's your life they're talking about, after all. If these meetings lead to the principal wanting you to resign, you at least have a right to be present in them. Even if it ends in your favor, you still deserve to be there when it's happening.

As others said, the fact that she hasn't been teaching in person and now is refusing to teach in Zoom is something you can easily use against her, plus all of the nasty messages she's sent you. Use her mistakes to your advantage to show not only how she has been treating you, but also that she isn't even doing her job. If anyone should resign, it should be her. But even if she gets her way and you are forced out, at least you can know that you did all that you could.

Also, maybe someone can clarify to me, but can a public school force you to resign? There are specific clauses in the gepik contract regarding what actions by the NET will result in termination. It doesn't seem legal for them to force you to resign, and they can only terminate you if they can prove that you've broken one or more of these clauses, right? If my school tried to get me to resign, I'd stay just to be petty and piss them off.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: fka on April 15, 2021, 12:37:56 pm
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As others said, the fact that she hasn't been teaching in person and now is refusing to teach in Zoom is something you can easily use against her, plus all of the nasty messages she's sent you. Use her mistakes to your advantage to show not only how she has been treating you, but also that she isn't even doing her job. If anyone should resign, it should be her. But even if she gets her way and you are forced out, at least you can know that you did all that you could.

I totally agree with this. Her sending you the resignation template is probably well outside the bounds of her authority, and if you have a chance to share that with her superiors, I would definitely do so. That could be a nail in the coffin if nothing else is. In fact, I would share that with your other co-teachers ASAP.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Renma on April 15, 2021, 01:02:34 pm
Op, I've been in a similar situation. I don't want to lay it out openly here because that teacher is still working (elsewhere) and is aware of this site. I think you need to be proactive like the guys above are saying (Yana, Dmart, njarlson etc. Not those advocating a scorched earth approach).

I know its awful and you're upset, but it does sound like there's a lot you could use against her. I hope you've got records (emails, kakao chat logs, messenger logs) you can show, and you should. Show it to the other English teachers. Especially that resignation template and the message she sent it with, that's incredibly childish and damning.

If you sit back and wait for a decision from above without being heard from, I don't think it will end in your favour.  I reckon they'll take the path of least resistance unless you present your side of the story.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on April 15, 2021, 08:07:20 pm
I'm worried about tomorrow.  I just have a bad feeling that shit will go down tomorrow  because it's Friday ... The school has not updated me or even asked for a meeting with me to hear my side of the story.  Today I saw the CT fervently talking with two heads of the school~ Any advice for the meeting with the principal?  I've seen her in person for the last couple of days and she won't even look at me. :huh:



Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: thunderlips on April 15, 2021, 10:19:44 pm
I'm worried about tomorrow.  I just have a bad feeling that shit will go down tomorrow  because it's Friday ... The school has not updated me or even asked for a meeting with me to hear my side of the story.  Today I saw the CT fervently talking with two heads of the school~ Any advice for the meeting with the principal?  I've seen her in person for the last couple of days and she won't even look at me. :huh:





This may sound ridiculous but try not to worry about whatever may happen. It is already in motion, so just stay focused on what you can control. At the end of the day this is not at all representative of you and your abilities. If the school should decide to part ways you will have options. Whether that is staying in country and switching to a hagwon temporarily or ending your time here for now. Just remember you have your whole life ahead of you and this is not the end. Iíve had very similar worries in the past and I only avoided panic attacks but not giving a fook. Donít lose sleep over this.

ďWhen you worry you make them double, donít worry be happy. ď
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: KoreaBoo on April 15, 2021, 11:56:55 pm
Thanks guys and gals for all your suggestions!

So.....what I have isn't really an update...

The English teachers met and I wasn't aware of what was discussed or given any basic information of what was said at all.  The next day the coteacher in question cool messaged me with a sample resignation letter and told me good luck in my future!!  (That was Tuesday)...

I didn't hear anything until yesterday when had to ask one of my coteachers what was happening?!   She said that they (English teachers) had a meeting and then the two of them (there are 4 of us in total) went to go and speak with the principal.

I haven't heard anything since then.  I don't know what the outcome is or anything.  The coteacher is not messaging me anymore and when we have class (online) she just puts up a hand drawn picture of herself on the screen..... :rolleyes:

My stomach has been in ropes for days and I truly have no idea what is going on.  I don't really know what to do, actually....and am anticipating the worst.

One thing I can say is that the HEART method will not work in this situation.  It's too far gone and I'm not apologizing to someone who has been harassing me and making my life hell.  The HEART method works with sane and rational people.   

So I'm just waiting for the dreaded call to come to the principal's office....Geez I feel like I'm in middle school and am in trouble....this worst feeling ever....my anxiety is through the roof right now.

Again, thanks for all the encouragement and helpful suggestions.   :-* :-* :-*

Consider this a blessing.  If you quit, they can place all the blame for the problems onto you.  If they fire you, they must process their reasons for letting you go.  This will void your contract and allow you to work elsewhere.  Also, by resigning, you give up any rights to what you are owed.

Go in, get fired, get paid, get a new visa and move on.

You are very lucky.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: JenniferNZ1 on April 16, 2021, 07:21:27 am
Have you contacted the Office of Education to notify them of the situation?  Give them your viewpoint and your breakdown of what has and is happening.  Again, ask for their advice as to what you should do. 

As someone else has said, 'Keep asking'. 

If you aren't getting advice etc from your school then it is time for the Office of Education to get involved.  Explain to them how anxious you are as you are not receiving any information and are concerned that you don't know what is happening.

No matter what happens today you have the weekend coming.  I hope you can get out and do something relaxing and for yourself.
All the best for today
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: OnNut81 on April 16, 2021, 07:46:14 am
I'm worried about tomorrow.  I just have a bad feeling that shit will go down tomorrow  because it's Friday ... The school has not updated me or even asked for a meeting with me to hear my side of the story.  Today I saw the CT fervently talking with two heads of the school~ Any advice for the meeting with the principal?  I've seen her in person for the last couple of days and she won't even look at me. :huh:





That doesn't sound promising.  Keep cool and make sure your side of the story is heard.  Don't just sign a resignation paper.  They can't force that on you.  Make them go through the required steps as in the contract, and then if that is what they are going to do it may be time to follow DocH's advice and file a complaint.  At the very least it will take them outside of their comfort zone.  They may be hoping they can make it all go away in house, but a forced resignation?  Let them know you'll be letting the Labour Board make the final call, not the principal.  They can threaten all they want but the school boards are still beholden to the labour laws, even with the lowly NETs.  It's a school, not a kingdom, and she's the principal, not the queen.  Hold them to account. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: fka on April 16, 2021, 09:32:26 am
^ Firmly agree with the above. If they try to push you out, make it as difficult for them as possible. I know that the path of least resistance might seem like the best option right now, and you just want to wash your hands of it, but that really does constitute letting the bad guys win. There should be consequences for the teacher who bullied you - and she should bear them, not you (or the next NET she decides to harass).
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on April 16, 2021, 11:32:14 am
I'm worried about tomorrow.  I just have a bad feeling that shit will go down tomorrow  because it's Friday ... The school has not updated me or even asked for a meeting with me to hear my side of the story.  Today I saw the CT fervently talking with two heads of the school~ Any advice for the meeting with the principal?  I've seen her in person for the last couple of days and she won't even look at me. :huh:




Just remember the key points and address them when the meeting happens. Do you know anyone who is a friend and can speak Korean (and is in an established position like a teacher or working for a reputable company) who you can call upon to explain things? They could be helpful in a situation like this.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: leaponover on April 16, 2021, 03:21:01 pm
Guess I'm late to the party.  Glad it worked out, but like others said, never cry.  That was terrible advice.  Koreans see that as a sign of weakness often.  They even berated Park Geun-Hye for crying when the Sewol sank.   
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: thunderlips on April 20, 2021, 11:53:15 am
Guess I'm late to the party.  Glad it worked out, but like others said, never cry.  That was terrible advice.  Koreans see that as a sign of weakness often.  They even berated Park Geun-Hye for crying when the Sewol sank.   

It hasnít worked out. Has it dipped??
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: OnNut81 on April 20, 2021, 12:09:10 pm
I was wondering that as well. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on April 20, 2021, 12:30:51 pm
Iím sorry to hear that youíre going through such a sh****ty situation in your final year teaching here, and after a decade of excellent teaching judging by your great relationships with other co-teachers and renewal for the past 10 years!

Please donít quit! You invested a lot into your teaching career and deserve every last pay cheque and exit allowance and your apartment deposit back!

I agree with the HEART approached mentioned above, and while talking with her using that method audio record every bit of it.  Also when she mentions your problems, empathize with her by saying Iím sorry you feel that way, and the address her not helping out or working with your to fix the problems, and address her inappropriate behavior in class doing nothing, yelling at you, bothering the students... and mention to her that you have been renewed for the past 10 years, which wouldnít have been possible if you were a bad teacher and that you have a wonderful co-teaching experience with the other teachers.

Later, ask her calmly about how the both of you can work together better in the future?

If worst come to worst, tell her calmly.... I donít want to be your enemy. I am a contract teacher like you, we are both vulnerable in this field..We should be supporting each other and not attacking.

Tell her that if she doesnít stop harassing you, you will take this to the hire ups and file complains and also make legal complaints, which you really donít want to do because you understand that she needs this job to support her self.

Tell her that you have nothing to lose (lie a little), tell her you can go back to your home country at anytime or even to go another country easily and have nothing to lose, but she has to stay in Korea and support her self on the salary she makes here and you would feel awful to ruin her chances of working as a teacher.... but will do so if she doesnít leave you alone..

I've seen quite a few foreign teachers get screwed.  The Korean teacher is always right most of the time and they got non renewed.  There was no appeal.  They made nice and sucked up real good though.  But keep playing footsies.  Best of luck.  I get along great with my co teachers.  But no way I'd tolerate that level of disrespect and no way would I sign any written warning.  I'd teach in China or where ever if I had to. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on April 20, 2021, 12:36:58 pm
My years in customer service (serving, tending bar, managing in hotels and on cruise lines) really help in Korea. Here's my advice and it works most of the time for me in life whenever I have conflict with someone.

Don't take a combative approach. It won't solve anything and will only damage the ego of the other person when your goal should be to scaffold it.

An easy way to address it is using the HEART approach.

Hear: engage her in a friendly and non-antagonistic manner. Listen to her points raptly and don't react to any of them.

Empathize: try and see her side, as crazy as it might seem. Throw in a few "I appreciate how it must be difficult to work with someone from a different culture, in a different language who doesn't fully understand the details of the Korean education system" etc.

Apologize: be careful here, don't assume too much blame but rather frame it as you're sorry this situation came about and that the relationship between you has become strained.

Resolve: tell her you respect her experience and knowledge and would appreciate any help she could give you, tell her you're always looking to improve as a teacher and will try your hardest to make things better going forwards.

Thank: thank her for bringing this to your attention and giving you both the opportunity to fix the situation and your working relationship.

Is it being a "cuck"? No, it's being smart and socially manipulative to get what you want. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

I'm not saying this situation is on you at all. I know her type and they suck, really. But in life we're all gonna meet unreasonable people and being able to deal with them in a productive way is a valuable skill.

Still, be firm and assertive. Don't be meek or timid. Definitely don't cry. But don't be looking for a fight, the game is rigged against you and you'll lose.

Why do you have to thank her and why do you have to fix her situation?  Admit nothing if you did nothing wrong.  As I have said, I have seen quite a few foreigners making nice still get screwed over in the end.  If she yells at you, you yell at her.  If she gives you a written warning, refuse to sign it and list all the complaints about her.  Stand your ground or bend over.  You'll either get fired or non renewed on next contract anyhow.  Might as well hold your head high. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on April 20, 2021, 12:42:32 pm
This happened after i first reported her to the school, she got mad and decided to pitch up at my apartment at around 22:00/23:00 unfortunately i had visited a friend in wonju and she did tell me she'll be coming by i just started getting calls and text, tell me she's at my door and the i need to be home immediately, we aren't allowed to leave our homes and etc after i explained that i cant make it she said i disrespected her and stay there for almost an hour calling and texting it was really scary. she'll say stuff like don't talk to any of the other teachers or your friends. etc.
And even with these texts, my recordings and letter i wrote her, that stuff wasn't even considered instead they ignored for the rest of the year and told be "things will be different next year".

So were you non renewed or did anything happen?  I have often seen foreigners get the short end of the stick in these situations.  Fortunately, most Koreans seem reasonable.  But xenophobic hateful crazies do pop up now and again from time to time. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: D.L.Orean on April 20, 2021, 01:34:19 pm
I've seen quite a few foreign teachers get screwed. 

Have you worked at schools with multiple NETS?
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Wlvers on April 21, 2021, 07:42:53 am
Why do you have to thank her and why do you have to fix her situation?  Admit nothing if you did nothing wrong.  As I have said, I have seen quite a few foreigners making nice still get screwed over in the end.  If she yells at you, you yell at her.  If she gives you a written warning, refuse to sign it and list all the complaints about her.  Stand your ground or bend over.  You'll either get fired or non renewed on next contract anyhow.  Might as well hold your head high.

That's how to deal with most people in life. Kill them with kindness. It doesn't mean you have to be a timid bitch (I would refuse to sign a written warning in this situation also and wouldn't put up with someone redressing me in front of students), but never let the situation escalate on your side (don't yell back or throw out petty complaints tit-for-tat, be the adult in the room). There are very few people who you genuinely have to go 'scorched earth' with and I highly doubt a jumped up elementary school teacher is one of them.

But what works for some doesn't work for others and everyone has their own personality, own style.

Hope it all works out for you OP.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: OnNut81 on April 21, 2021, 07:59:11 am
I noticed DippedinBlush (The OP) who started this thread, received lots of support and advice, but has not responded, yet is still active as of yesterday in the lessons plan forum.  Would be a courtesy to come back and update people here, as far as I'm concerned. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: njarlson on April 21, 2021, 08:27:00 am
I'm worried about tomorrow.  I just have a bad feeling that shit will go down tomorrow  because it's Friday ... The school has not updated me or even asked for a meeting with me to hear my side of the story.  Today I saw the CT fervently talking with two heads of the school~ Any advice for the meeting with the principal?  I've seen her in person for the last couple of days and she won't even look at me. :huh:

I don't want to push you... but again, I have to suggest that you be the proactive one and ask for (or rather, demand) a meeting yourself, don't wait for one of them to come to you. If they are not asking to meet with you, you need to ask to meet with them. If they try to push it off, try to corner them. If there is time after classes for instance, go to the office/classroom of one of the English teachers involved in these meetings and ask about it, tell them you need to meet with the principal to discuss what's going on as soon as possible, and let them know that you find it unfair that they are not allowing you to share your side. If they still will not do anything or do the run around of, "oh okay I'll see what I can do and let you know" with nothing definitive, contact the office of education. Find the email of the gepik coordinator or even the supervisor of the English department for your district and let them know what's happening. And as others have said, if they try to force you out, don't go easily. They cannot force you out unless they have a reason to legally terminate your contract. If they want you to resign, you still need to make the choice to sign the paper. If this happens, once again, contact the office of education to let them know how you are being unfairly treated and that they are trying to force you to resign since they have no reason to terminate your contract. Even if you do end up leaving (and I wouldn't blame you if you do), give them a taste of their own medicine and make things difficult for them.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: leaponover on April 21, 2021, 08:10:51 pm
It hasnít worked out. Has it dipped??

It's possible I skimmed to quickly and missed a downswing.  I sometimes fall asleep in the middle of movies, so I guess that covers more mediums...

Edit: Finally went back and reread everything and I guess I got confused when Demartino said something like congrats and game over.  I thought it had been resolved...my mistake.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on April 22, 2021, 10:45:35 am
If there is no written warning sprung on you or a meeting sprung on you where they are ganging up on you with accusations, then no worries.  My advice only applies if they confront you strongly first.  If not, then no worries.  But if she yells in class again or talks you like you're an idiot, do the same in return though you don't need to scream like alunatic but you can raise your voice and reply to her with a different tone. 

It either has blown over or they are biding their time looking to gang up and give you a negative review at contract renewal time.  If they don't go balistic on you, use diplomacy.  If they go nuclear on you, you go nuclear on them.  Making nice won't work at this point and they will see you as a doormat and not respect you anyways.  Push back against bullies.  Man up or woman up.

If they leave you alone, leave them alone but make alternate plans at end of contract just in case as a plan B. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: tik2018 on April 22, 2021, 02:34:57 pm
This happened after i first reported her to the school, she got mad and decided to pitch up at my apartment at around 22:00/23:00 unfortunately i had visited a friend in wonju and she did tell me she'll be coming by i just started getting calls and text, tell me she's at my door and the i need to be home immediately, we aren't allowed to leave our homes and etc after i explained that i cant make it she said i disrespected her and stay there for almost an hour calling and texting it was really scary. she'll say stuff like don't talk to any of the other teachers or your friends. etc.
And even with these texts, my recordings and letter i wrote her, that stuff wasn't even considered instead they ignored for the rest of the year and told be "things will be different next year".
People seem to forget we are grown adults and don't owe anyone anything. I would have just told her that I was not home at the moment and would not be able to return in the near future as I was busy. Where are you? None of her business. You should be at home. Okay...but I'm not and if I can leave home to go to work, I can leave home to go other places. You disrespected me. Oh really? Well I would consider showing up at someone's door unannounced and refusing to leave being disrepectful. I would've turned off my phone if she kept calling and texting.
It seems like things have escalated but I would've suggested being aggressively nonchalant. Don't play into her rude mindgames. Keep it professional and distant, cuz she is not your boss. Give her similar energy. She interrupts you during class, shut that down then and there. "I'd appreciate it if you did not interrupt my class. Unless you would like to get up here and teach yourself. I understand you have differing opinions, but now is not the time. Thanks" She texts you outside of work with some b.s., don't respond. Show up at your door? Don't answer. Inquires into your business, where you go, etc. don't tell her. Keep it real vague cuz it's none of her business. Do your job, deal with her only as you have to from a professional and contractual standpoint, and escape when the year is over because your school does not care about you. She can call you up in front of the VP or whoever, but what have you done wrong? If it's your classes let them come see them themselves. She's the one who looks like a dummy if shes constantly complaining and kicking up a fuss when you're just quietly doing your job. There is nothing in your contract that states you have to be disrespected or abused by your fellow coworkers nor that you have to kiss their butt just because.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: CO2 on April 22, 2021, 02:59:39 pm
Where are you? None of her business. You should be at home.

Exactly. The hell do you care if I'm not at home or not outside work hours? "If you're not at work, you should be at home waiting to go to work." Like, honestly? Eat a massive dork. Teaching is important, no doubt, but it's not more important than the teacher's life.

Work to live, don't live to work. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Kyndo on April 23, 2021, 06:57:07 am
Eat a massive dork. 
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Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on April 23, 2021, 08:02:31 am
Have you worked at schools with multiple NETS?

???

One native speaker per school.  Never saw a public school have multiple NETS except for an English Village.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: L I on April 23, 2021, 08:17:30 am
I was at a public school five days a week. Two other NETs came two days a week (to up their hours to 22). They taught kindergarten, grades 1 and 2, and afterschool classes. So, for that school there were three NETs (but for only part of the week).
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: L I on April 23, 2021, 08:19:55 am
I also know of big schools with two NETs there five days a week (though many have cut back to just one).
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: pkjh on April 23, 2021, 08:53:29 am
???

One native speaker per school.  Never saw a public school have multiple NETS except for an English Village.
Foreign Language high Schools might have multiple NETS, not only English ones, but also Japanese, and Chinese native speakers.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: thunderlips on April 23, 2021, 09:24:11 am
Foreign Language high Schools might have multiple NETS, not only English ones, but also Japanese, and Chinese native speakers.

NETS= Native English Teacher
Japanese and Chinese would be NJT and NCT or just NFLT- Native Foreign Language Teachers
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on April 23, 2021, 09:26:37 am
I was at a public school five days a week. Two other NETs came two days a week (to up their hours to 22). They taught kindergarten, grades 1 and 2, and afterschool classes. So, for that school there were three NETs (but for only part of the week).

Oh really?  I never saw a school with more than one NET.  I also thought teaching gr 1 and 2s were not allowed?  After schools done mostly by Koreans here and only foreigners on F visas now?  I think they banned E2s from that, but some may still have loopholes?  Should be allowed to teach younger kids as they absorb languages more quickly, but that is neither her nor there. 

It would be cool to have another foreigner to talk to.  Closest I came was a few years back working at an Elementary School and a block away was another dude I knew at a Middle School.  We'd meet at his school or mine and we'd go for a walk along the river in the afternoon.  This was before schools here got anal about signing in and out if you leave.  It was only one day a week due to us both doing multiple schools.  But it was nice to chat and kill time.  I must say Elementary schools get lonely late afternoon as the teachers all get really busy and most kids are gone as opposed to when I was in Middle School where there are classes spread throughout the day and always some teachers or students to talk to all day long.  This is way off topic now.  But, good times. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: D.L.Orean on April 23, 2021, 09:30:41 am
It would be cool to have another foreigner to talk to.  Closest I came was a few years back working at an Elementary School and a block away was another dude I knew at a Middle School.  We'd meet at his school or mine and we'd go for a walk along the river in the afternoon.  This was before schools here got anal about signing in and out if you leave.  It was only one day a week due to us both doing multiple schools.  But it was nice to chat and kill time.  I must say Elementary schools get lonely late afternoon as the teachers all get really busy and most kids are gone as opposed to when I was in Middle School where there are classes spread throughout the day and always some teachers or students to talk to all day long.  This is way off topic now.  But, good times.

Sounds romantic. I can understand why you get nostalgic for the good old days.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on April 23, 2021, 09:36:36 am
Sounds romantic. I can understand why you get nostalgic for the good old days.

Not gay, sorry sport!
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: OnNut81 on April 23, 2021, 12:06:25 pm
It would be cool to have another foreigner to talk to.  Closest I came was a few years back working at an Elementary School and a block away was another dude I knew at a Middle School.  We'd meet at his school or mine and we'd go for a walk along the river in the afternoon.  This was before schools here got anal about signing in and out if you leave. 

Like D.L. Orean, I can also read between the lines.  Obviously, it wasn't just the school that got anal that year.  Oh, those youthful romances.  What happened?  Did he move to China for better pay?  Chalk it up to two ships passing in the night, I guess. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: thunderlips on April 23, 2021, 12:10:42 pm
Like D.L. Orean, I can also read between the lines.  Obviously, it wasn't just the school that got anal that year.  Oh, those youthful romances.  What happened?  Did he move to China for better pay?  Chalk it up to two ships passing in the night, I guess. 

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Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: pkjh on April 23, 2021, 12:33:35 pm
NETS= Native English Teacher
Japanese and Chinese would be NJT and NCT or just NFLT- Native Foreign Language Teachers
Some FLHS (Foreign Language High Schools) do have multiple Native English Teachers.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: thunderlips on April 26, 2021, 10:27:25 am
Ok looks like we may need to band together and get a search party organized for dipped...


Waygook user dipped MIA
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: tylerthegloob on April 26, 2021, 10:33:43 am
she dipped
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: OnNut81 on April 26, 2021, 11:08:09 am
Ok looks like we may need to band together and get a search party organized for dipped...


Waygook user dipped MIA

She's been spotted in the lesson forums.  For some reason she created a thread to get advice and then abandoned it without any follow up.  I, for one, will be much less likely to bother making an effort in the future.  People responded and made an effort to offer helpful advice (mostly, Hangook went off the rails) and were invested in her situation and she just left us hanging. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on April 26, 2021, 11:21:21 am
Sorry everyone :cry:

I didn't "dip"....  Last week I waited to talk with the principal and/or supervisors....stil l nothing.

Ok so what transpired was (as far as I have gathered from the one co-teacher who told me) this:

Korean coteachers had a meeting about my lessons...apparentl y she complained about me a lot to them.  After the meeting the 2 coteachers then went to the principal and complained about her.

She then had a meeting with the principal and threatened to quit because she felt all the English teachers had scapegoated her.  The school has tried to appease her????  (I don't know).  All I know is that she is in a fight now with the other English teachers and she has stopped texting and messaging me at night and keeps messages short, and to a professional minimum (hallelujah). 

She has also complimented me on my classes through the cool messenger (for proof she is being nice to me...I imagine). 

I spend most of my time in the English room and try to have as little to do with her as possible.  She has lightened up quite a bit (its for show) yet has not apologized at all for yelling at me during class or any other of her shitty behaviour.  The other coteachers want her to have some sort of reprimand/punishment, but I'm sure she is putting up a fuss and threatening to quit/we are bullying and scapegoating HER!!!  She totally flipped the script~

Ahhh I also found out (a coteacher found out)  that in one of her second previous job she quit because she said she was "scapegoated" by the other English teachers.

So...last week I asked if I should talk to the principal and my other coteachers said they already did.  I'm really confused as to where I should go from here.  (I thought there would be tantrums in the principal's office, but so far..crickets).  I'm unsure of whether or not I should take it farther (ie demand an apology, or let it slide)...

I wanted to update last week but there was really not much action...

Thanks again everyone!  Your advice and support means so much.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on April 26, 2021, 11:23:43 am
She's been spotted in the lesson forums.  For some reason she created a thread to get advice and then abandoned it without any follow up.  I, for one, will be much less likely to bother making an effort in the future.  People responded and made an effort to offer helpful advice (mostly, Hangook went off the rails) and were invested in her situation and she just left us hanging. 

Not true at all... I wanted to wait and figure out what the hell was going on...(I still don't know).  I wasn't trying to ghost you, silly.... ;)
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: OnNut81 on April 26, 2021, 11:29:10 am
Sorry everyone :cry:

I didn't "dip"....  Last week I waited to talk with the principal and/or supervisors....stil l nothing.

Ok so what transpired was (as far as I have gathered from the one co-teacher who told me) this:

Korean coteachers had a meeting about my lessons...apparentl y she complained about me a lot to them.  After the meeting the 2 coteachers then went to the principal and complained about her.

She then had a meeting with the principal and threatened to quit because she felt all the English teachers had scapegoated her.  The school has tried to appease her????  (I don't know).  All I know is that she is in a fight now with the other English teachers and she has stopped texting and messaging me at night and keeps messages short, and to a professional minimum (hallelujah). 

She has also complimented me on my classes through the cool messenger (for proof she is being nice to me...I imagine). 

I spend most of my time in the English room and try to have as little to do with her as possible.  She has lightened up quite a bit (its for show) yet has not apologized at all for yelling at me during class or any other of her shitty behaviour.  The other coteachers want her to have some sort of reprimand/punishment, but I'm sure she is putting up a fuss and threatening to quit/we are bullying and scapegoating HER!!!  She totally flipped the script~

Ahhh I also found out (a coteacher found out)  that in one of her second previous job she quit because she said she was "scapegoated" by the other English teachers.

So...last week I asked if I should talk to the principal and my other coteachers said they already did.  I'm really confused as to where I should go from here.  (I thought there would be tantrums in the principal's office, but so far..crickets).  I'm unsure of whether or not I should take it farther (ie demand an apology, or let it slide)...

I wanted to update last week but there was really not much action...

Thanks again everyone!  Your advice and support means so much.

Well, that was pretty satisfying as far as I'm concerned.  Sounds like she's on the ropes a bit.  I'd just let it slide.  Sounds like the damage has been done to her reputation and they backed you.  Pushing for an apology at this point might seem a bit greedy since they already had your back. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Mr C on April 26, 2021, 11:33:14 am
Sorry everyone :cry:

I didn't "dip"....  Last week I waited to talk with the principal and/or supervisors....stil l nothing.

Ok so what transpired was (as far as I have gathered from the one co-teacher who told me) this:

Korean coteachers had a meeting about my lessons...apparentl y she complained about me a lot to them.  After the meeting the 2 coteachers then went to the principal and complained about her.

She then had a meeting with the principal and threatened to quit because she felt all the English teachers had scapegoated her.  The school has tried to appease her????  (I don't know).  All I know is that she is in a fight now with the other English teachers and she has stopped texting and messaging me at night and keeps messages short, and to a professional minimum (hallelujah). 

She has also complimented me on my classes through the cool messenger (for proof she is being nice to me...I imagine). 

I spend most of my time in the English room and try to have as little to do with her as possible.  She has lightened up quite a bit (its for show) yet has not apologized at all for yelling at me during class or any other of her shitty behaviour.  The other coteachers want her to have some sort of reprimand/punishment, but I'm sure she is putting up a fuss and threatening to quit/we are bullying and scapegoating HER!!!  She totally flipped the script~

Ahhh I also found out (a coteacher found out)  that in one of her second previous job she quit because she said she was "scapegoated" by the other English teachers.

So...last week I asked if I should talk to the principal and my other coteachers said they already did.  I'm really confused as to where I should go from here.  (I thought there would be tantrums in the principal's office, but so far..crickets).  I'm unsure of whether or not I should take it farther (ie demand an apology, or let it slide)...

I wanted to update last week but there was really not much action...

Thanks again everyone!  Your advice and support means so much.

"Not much action"? 

Um, the whole thing has been resolved and in your favor.

... unless you do something stupid like demand an apology.

My advice: just smile and carry on, or as they used to say around here: SNIP  (smile, nod, ignore, proceed).
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: thunderlips on April 26, 2021, 11:34:39 am
Sorry everyone :cry:

I didn't "dip"....  Last week I waited to talk with the principal and/or supervisors....stil l nothing.

Ok so what transpired was (as far as I have gathered from the one co-teacher who told me) this:

Korean coteachers had a meeting about my lessons...apparentl y she complained about me a lot to them.  After the meeting the 2 coteachers then went to the principal and complained about her.

She then had a meeting with the principal and threatened to quit because she felt all the English teachers had scapegoated her.  The school has tried to appease her????  (I don't know).  All I know is that she is in a fight now with the other English teachers and she has stopped texting and messaging me at night and keeps messages short, and to a professional minimum (hallelujah). 

She has also complimented me on my classes through the cool messenger (for proof she is being nice to me...I imagine). 

I spend most of my time in the English room and try to have as little to do with her as possible.  She has lightened up quite a bit (its for show) yet has not apologized at all for yelling at me during class or any other of her shitty behaviour.  The other coteachers want her to have some sort of reprimand/punishment, but I'm sure she is putting up a fuss and threatening to quit/we are bullying and scapegoating HER!!!  She totally flipped the script~

Ahhh I also found out (a coteacher found out)  that in one of her second previous job she quit because she said she was "scapegoated" by the other English teachers.

So...last week I asked if I should talk to the principal and my other coteachers said they already did.  I'm really confused as to where I should go from here.  (I thought there would be tantrums in the principal's office, but so far..crickets).  I'm unsure of whether or not I should take it farther (ie demand an apology, or let it slide)...

I wanted to update last week but there was really not much action...

Thanks again everyone!  Your advice and support means so much.

Oh that's a relief. Glad to hear the other teachers put their foot (feet?) down. It sounds like they have faith in you. I wouldn't hold your breath for an apology but you definitely got the win.

Take care.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: pkjh on April 26, 2021, 11:41:10 am
The school is unlikely to fire her, because it is a hassle firing someone. And she also is assigned a homeroom. In most cases they just won't renew her. Contract teachers can be renewed up to a max of 3-ish years (not sure of the number) at the same school, and have to be hired full-time if they continue the contract. However, many of those private-public schools, if they like them, will rehire them like 6 months later and do the 3 years again. So, unless she quits, she's there until the end of the school year.

The fake niceness is probably the best situation you can get in this case. She'll probably avoid conflict so the school doesn't blacklist her. Just avoid her as much as possible, and be cordial. You've won this.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: thunderlips on April 26, 2021, 11:43:31 am
The school is unlikely to fire her, because it is a hassle firing someone. And she also is assigned a homeroom. In most cases they just won't renew her. Contract teachers can be renewed up to a max of 3-ish years (not sure of the number) at the same school, and have to be hired full-time if they continue the contract. However, many of those private-public schools, if they like them, will rehire them like 6 months later and do the 3 years again. So, unless she quits, she's there until the end of the school year.

The fake niceness is probably the best situation you can get in this case. She'll probably avoid conflict so the school doesn't blacklist her. Just avoid her as much as possible, and be cordial. You've won this.

The contract workers' rules have changed. They **can***  work at a school for up to 8 years, either year/two-year or four-year contracts these days. My co-t just started her 5th year.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: pkjh on April 26, 2021, 11:46:43 am
The contract workers' rules have changed. They work at a school for up to 8 years, either year/two-year or four-year contracts these days. My co-t just started her 5th year.
Interesting, I'd figure the Moon government would've made it shorter so more people would be full-time. But, now they can just string them along longer.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: nightninja on April 26, 2021, 03:38:15 pm
The contract workers' rules have changed. They **can***  work at a school for up to 8 years, either year/two-year or four-year contracts these days. My co-t just started her 5th year.

Many contract teachers in my area have been with the same school for 10 years....I know of at least 3 personally.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: L I on April 26, 2021, 03:41:43 pm
Whatís the difference between a contract teacher and unionized teacher? The contract teacher hasnít passed the test(s)?
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on April 26, 2021, 03:59:29 pm
What about my advice.  I said if she is summoned into a meeting of teachers and is given a written warning and a long list of job criticisms.  At this point they have turned against you and stuck together and there is nothing to lose.  They went mental on you so go nuclear on them.  At this point you have nothing to lose.  Sucking up and being even nicer after this will not earn you more respect and get you a contract renewal.  But be a cuck or whatever you want. 
This aged well.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: thunderlips on April 26, 2021, 04:45:55 pm
Whatís the difference between a contract teacher and unionized teacher? The contract teacher hasnít passed the test(s)?

Yes
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: L I on April 26, 2021, 04:56:56 pm
The contract teachers who have been contract teachers for years should study harder to past the test.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: pkjh on April 26, 2021, 05:11:01 pm
The contract teachers who have been contract teachers for years should study harder to past the test.
It's not a simple pass/fail scenario. Every year there will be a certain number of slots to basically replace retiring teachers. So in any given year they might hire say 100 English teachers, but some 2,000 potential English teachers will take the test. They'll hire the top 100 teachers with the top 100 scores.

Not sure of the actual numbers, but for Seoul I've heard numbers in excess of 15,000 test takers across all subjects. And typically they may hire about 1000 teachers total.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: HiddenInKorea on April 26, 2021, 08:16:58 pm
That's great news to hear that the other Korean co-teach have stood up for you! It's really important in this country to have some local have you back! Since it was not one but two Korean co-teachers who made a complaint against another Korean teacher, the principal and vice principal had to take it more seriously. Also, it probably helped that they look up her bad history from the other school that proves she is a problematic person to begin with!
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on April 26, 2021, 11:07:40 pm
"Not much action"? 

Um, the whole thing has been resolved and in your favor.

... unless you do something stupid like demand an apology.

My advice: just smile and carry on, or as they used to say around here: SNIP  (smile, nod, ignore, proceed).

Excuse me....it was non-action for me as NO ONE LET ME KNOW what was going on.... I waited and asked what was going on.  I didn't even know those teachers were on my side until the said they went to the principal's office.  I still don't know what was said, ..and my voice was/is  STILL unheard and that makes me uneasy! I don't need your snark, Mr. C.  SNIP doesn't really apply in this situation, but thanks~
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Mr C on April 27, 2021, 06:18:43 am
Excuse me....it was non-action for me as NO ONE LET ME KNOW what was going on.... I waited and asked what was going on.  I didn't even know those teachers were on my side until the said they went to the principal's office.  I still don't know what was said, ..and my voice was/is  STILL unheard and that makes me uneasy! I don't need your snark, Mr. C.  SNIP doesn't really apply in this situation, but thanks~

<sigh>
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on May 14, 2021, 01:52:41 pm
Like D.L. Orean, I can also read between the lines.  Obviously, it wasn't just the school that got anal that year.  Oh, those youthful romances.  What happened?  Did he move to China for better pay?  Chalk it up to two ships passing in the night, I guess. 

And if I reply to this, I will be the one to get warned watched etc.....  Guess I'll have to meet the chicks I still know to convince me of my straightness. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on May 14, 2021, 01:56:40 pm
Sorry everyone :cry:

I didn't "dip"....  Last week I waited to talk with the principal and/or supervisors....stil l nothing.

Ok so what transpired was (as far as I have gathered from the one co-teacher who told me) this:

Korean coteachers had a meeting about my lessons...apparentl y she complained about me a lot to them.  After the meeting the 2 coteachers then went to the principal and complained about her.

She then had a meeting with the principal and threatened to quit because she felt all the English teachers had scapegoated her.  The school has tried to appease her????  (I don't know).  All I know is that she is in a fight now with the other English teachers and she has stopped texting and messaging me at night and keeps messages short, and to a professional minimum (hallelujah). 

She has also complimented me on my classes through the cool messenger (for proof she is being nice to me...I imagine). 

I spend most of my time in the English room and try to have as little to do with her as possible.  She has lightened up quite a bit (its for show) yet has not apologized at all for yelling at me during class or any other of her shitty behaviour.  The other coteachers want her to have some sort of reprimand/punishment, but I'm sure she is putting up a fuss and threatening to quit/we are bullying and scapegoating HER!!!  She totally flipped the script~

Ahhh I also found out (a coteacher found out)  that in one of her second previous job she quit because she said she was "scapegoated" by the other English teachers.

So...last week I asked if I should talk to the principal and my other coteachers said they already did.  I'm really confused as to where I should go from here.  (I thought there would be tantrums in the principal's office, but so far..crickets).  I'm unsure of whether or not I should take it farther (ie demand an apology, or let it slide)...

I wanted to update last week but there was really not much action...

Thanks again everyone!  Your advice and support means so much.

In this case, they didn't confront you or put you on the spot or try to put a written warning on you?  Good, then you handled it right.  No need to go nuclear in this case.  Only if they come for you with warnings and threatening your job and ganging up on you.  So, that's good to hear.  That crazy teacher should leave soon anyways. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: D.L.Orean on May 14, 2021, 02:16:16 pm
And if I reply to this, I will be the one to get warned watched etc.....  Guess I'll have to meet the chicks I still know to convince me of my straightness.

They'll never be able to replace the man by the river. That hole will always remain empty. Be happy you got to experience something special and cherish those memories.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: chimp on May 16, 2021, 07:33:43 pm
And if I reply to this, I will be the one to get warned watched etc.....  Guess I'll have to meet the chicks I still know to convince me of my straightness. 

Do you have a girlfriend or a wife? When was the last time you *nudge nudge wink wink*?
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on July 20, 2021, 10:31:40 pm
So the shit show has continued  (actually it never stopped)

On Friday the education office officials are coming to do "consulting".  Wanna know what it is?  It's when your school can't figure its shit out and must call in the office of education to do its mediating!

As I think that I have mentioned some of my problems with this teacher and my threat to the school that I would quit....WELLLL

She decided she would do the same thing!  And added that she thinks that she has been bullied by us 3 English teachers!  So basically my threat of quitting due to her was nixed by her mentioning bullying * IF you knew me and my English co-workers you would see the least likely people to bully anyone in the world.
Result: Upper Management did nothing, upper management didn't do shit do find out what was going on.....to this day they have only listened to my other English co teachers (granted, they are speaking what I think could be ok on my behalf, but why hasn't the P or VP asked me to come to their office and tell them my experience?)

The straw that broke the camel's back (to make the "consulting" occur was because of this:

Every Thursday I submit my Lesson Plan and materials to each English teacher.  These plans and materials are to be reviewed and okayed by them.  After exams were over for the grades two and three usually there are special lessons or classes that make my lessons with them canceled.  The grade 2 teacher told me that most of my classes with her had been canceled, same with grade one.  They updated me that I could do whatever I wanted with those classes.  However, I didn't hear anything from the crazy teacher about anything sooo i messaged her on Tuesday twice.  I asked her if there was anything special going on?  She never got back to me at all so I didn't make a Lesson Plan or any special materials for Thursday *the lesson plan due date.

SOOOOO fast forward to Monday.  I messaged her at 9 am and asked if I still had classes with her that day since she didn't message me back the week before.  *We had class that day at 10:10 second period.   I asked her do we still have class?
She totally went crazy!
She finally replied at 10:04 (our class was at 10:10) and said "STOP IT~ You never texted me anything~ Why didn't you prepare anything for grade 3?"  I told her I sent her messages the prior week as to what was going on and she didn't reply and that she should not worry because I have a ton of activities etc I can try and piece together with a few minutes notice (as every NET has on their USB for emergencies) and not to worry. 

So we did 2 classes and she was not SATISFIED....we did 2 classes back to back on zoom (periods three and four) and she sat there on camera with the meanest and most sour face I have ever seen.  She didn't try to help, she just made all of us feel uncomfortable.  I was really curious as to why she was so angry as I had asked her what was going on....etc...I thought perhaps there could be some misunderstanding.

SO I went to the teacher's office where she was after class to try and find out what was going on.....When I got in the room I said hey, did we get our wires crossed...perhaps there was a miscommunication last week?

Suddenly she yelled at me in front of the two head teachers in the office!! "You didn't prepare anything for our class",  "Do you think that is ok for you not to prepare anything at all?"  "The students don't deserve this"....
I was SO CONFUSED!!!!  She was yelling at me in front of the other head teachers in our office to let them know that I am not doing my job and that I am a bad teacher!!~  I told her she was illogical and her attitude was bad and she told me to leave.  *At the beginning of the year my desk was next to hers but I went to the English room.

Fastforward that day...I told the other English teachers what happened....they were also going through a lot of craziness with her.

Suddenly I get a call from the head teacher.  All the English teachers, head teachers and vp and p must meet in the P's office!!

I'm like WHAT?

I went there and she had twisted everything around and was sittting quiet and contrite and I asked her why she did this!?  Her reply:  She is not my secretary!  The other English teachers also mentioned some other things about her secretly taping them and me when we are unaware.... The meeting was adjourned with her threatening me ......I will get consulting ..you will see, you will see!!!!

So my co-teachers told me on Friday we have a consulting meeting.....I'm still unaware of what is going on....I think the the GEPIK coordinator should be there!!  Why hasn't anyone even asked me what the hell is going on from my end!???  I am so disheartened. 

I am trying to make a list of things she has done...there are so many,  in English and try and give it to someone before the meeting so at least my voice can be heard....

IF anyone can make any sense of what I have written, thanks.....to others I am sorry....TLDRRRRRRR R

I am so stressed out...this woman is a true nut case....and sorry to say that I'm glad she was crazy to my other coteachers, cause if she wasn't my voice would not have been heard at all.....


Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Oji on July 21, 2021, 07:40:24 am
This sounds wayyyy to similar to a former co-teacher of mine hahah. Sorry you're still going through this, but if the other English teachers feel the same way as you, have similar stories to tell about that teacher, and especially now that she has yelled at you in front of others, you don't have too much to worry about.

Purely out of curiosities sake, are you in Gyeongbuk? I mean it when I say your CT sounds a lot like my former one...
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: JenniferNZ1 on July 21, 2021, 07:49:01 am
Sorry to hear about this.  I don't have any advice except to try and stay calm during the meeting.  You sound to be doing the right thing with having written down the incidents. 

I would suggest trying to make them with bullet points rather than long paragraphs (easier to read and also can look longer). 

Have copies of the messages you sent last week. 

Have several copies of the documents to hand to each person at the 'consulting meeting'.  Could be difficult if you don't know how many are coming.  Maybe you could email your Office of Education to ask if they know how many will be there as you haven't had any information from your school?  (Not sure about doing this though - what do others think?)

Maybe put your points through Google translate/papago etc in case the principal etc don't understand English.

Other supporting documents could include your messages on this site - showing the dates and your concern with the issue????

Be strong.  Be professional.  Be calm.  Good luck.


Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on July 21, 2021, 07:59:08 am
Do you have a girlfriend or a wife? When was the last time you *nudge nudge wink wink*?

You're weird.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on July 21, 2021, 08:04:11 am
So the shit show has continued  (actually it never stopped)

On Friday the education office officials are coming to do "consulting".  Wanna know what it is?  It's when your school can't figure its shit out and must call in the office of education to do its mediating!

As I think that I have mentioned some of my problems with this teacher and my threat to the school that I would quit....WELLLL

She decided she would do the same thing!  And added that she thinks that she has been bullied by us 3 English teachers!  So basically my threat of quitting due to her was nixed by her mentioning bullying * IF you knew me and my English co-workers you would see the least likely people to bully anyone in the world.
Result: Upper Management did nothing, upper management didn't do shit do find out what was going on.....to this day they have only listened to my other English co teachers (granted, they are speaking what I think could be ok on my behalf, but why hasn't the P or VP asked me to come to their office and tell them my experience?)

The straw that broke the camel's back (to make the "consulting" occur was because of this:

Every Thursday I submit my Lesson Plan and materials to each English teacher.  These plans and materials are to be reviewed and okayed by them.  After exams were over for the grades two and three usually there are special lessons or classes that make my lessons with them canceled.  The grade 2 teacher told me that most of my classes with her had been canceled, same with grade one.  They updated me that I could do whatever I wanted with those classes.  However, I didn't hear anything from the crazy teacher about anything sooo i messaged her on Tuesday twice.  I asked her if there was anything special going on?  She never got back to me at all so I didn't make a Lesson Plan or any special materials for Thursday *the lesson plan due date.

SOOOOO fast forward to Monday.  I messaged her at 9 am and asked if I still had classes with her that day since she didn't message me back the week before.  *We had class that day at 10:10 second period.   I asked her do we still have class?
She totally went crazy!
She finally replied at 10:04 (our class was at 10:10) and said "STOP IT~ You never texted me anything~ Why didn't you prepare anything for grade 3?"  I told her I sent her messages the prior week as to what was going on and she didn't reply and that she should not worry because I have a ton of activities etc I can try and piece together with a few minutes notice (as every NET has on their USB for emergencies) and not to worry. 

So we did 2 classes and she was not SATISFIED....we did 2 classes back to back on zoom (periods three and four) and she sat there on camera with the meanest and most sour face I have ever seen.  She didn't try to help, she just made all of us feel uncomfortable.  I was really curious as to why she was so angry as I had asked her what was going on....etc...I thought perhaps there could be some misunderstanding.

SO I went to the teacher's office where she was after class to try and find out what was going on.....When I got in the room I said hey, did we get our wires crossed...perhaps there was a miscommunication last week?

Suddenly she yelled at me in front of the two head teachers in the office!! "You didn't prepare anything for our class",  "Do you think that is ok for you not to prepare anything at all?"  "The students don't deserve this"....
I was SO CONFUSED!!!!  She was yelling at me in front of the other head teachers in our office to let them know that I am not doing my job and that I am a bad teacher!!~  I told her she was illogical and her attitude was bad and she told me to leave.  *At the beginning of the year my desk was next to hers but I went to the English room.

Fastforward that day...I told the other English teachers what happened....they were also going through a lot of craziness with her.

Suddenly I get a call from the head teacher.  All the English teachers, head teachers and vp and p must meet in the P's office!!

I'm like WHAT?

I went there and she had twisted everything around and was sittting quiet and contrite and I asked her why she did this!?  Her reply:  She is not my secretary!  The other English teachers also mentioned some other things about her secretly taping them and me when we are unaware.... The meeting was adjourned with her threatening me ......I will get consulting ..you will see, you will see!!!!

So my co-teachers told me on Friday we have a consulting meeting.....I'm still unaware of what is going on....I think the the GEPIK coordinator should be there!!  Why hasn't anyone even asked me what the hell is going on from my end!???  I am so disheartened. 

I am trying to make a list of things she has done...there are so many,  in English and try and give it to someone before the meeting so at least my voice can be heard....

IF anyone can make any sense of what I have written, thanks.....to others I am sorry....TLDRRRRRRR R

I am so stressed out...this woman is a true nut case....and sorry to say that I'm glad she was crazy to my other coteachers, cause if she wasn't my voice would not have been heard at all.....




Well, unlike before at least we know the other teachers aren't ganging up on you.  This one teacher with the emotional problems is doing everything that she is now accusing you and the others of.  Just write down every example in bullet point form to remind yourself and state quite blankly that you ARE in fact the one feeling bullied and that YOU do not deserve her verbal abuse.  Let her say her piece.  Then say yours.  If she interrupts cut her off and don't take it for a second when you are speaking.  She is using Saul Alinsky's tactics.  Accuse others of the very thing you yourself are doing.  The most recent example of not replying to your text and going nuts on you 5 minutes before class is what ought to be mentioned. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: DMZabductee on July 21, 2021, 08:22:44 am
Quote
IF anyone can make any sense of what I have written

your coteacher realizes she is under scrutiny and that the rest of the staff are not on her side. she is sabotaging your classes and then complaining publicly in order to muddy the waters and make it look like she is the one being treated unfairly.

she is trying to make the situation opaque enough that when the inevitable "consultation" occurs everything will be so confusing to anyone outside (or even inside) the school that they won't be able to reach a clear decision about what to do.

cue some 협상 bs where nothing gets solved and everything returns to "normal"
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on July 21, 2021, 01:41:56 pm
She is using Saul Alinsky's tactics.
I...what...dude...seriously?
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Mr C on July 21, 2021, 02:21:43 pm
I...what...dude...seriously?

Yeah, I wasn't gonna get into it, but that is definitely not Alinsky's tactics. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on July 21, 2021, 03:09:39 pm
I...what...dude...seriously?

You know, accuse the other person or side of what it is you are actually doing.  It's all about misdirection and diversion.  Is this not what the crazy teacher is doing?  She is being a bully, but she accuses the others of this for the art of misdirection and covering up their own actions. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Kyndo on July 24, 2021, 11:23:11 am
You know, accuse the other person or side of what it is you are actually doing.  It's all about misdirection and diversion.  Is this not what the crazy teacher is doing?  She is being a bully, but she accuses the others of this for the art of misdirection and covering up their own actions. 
Please confine your political/social comments to the the political threads.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on July 25, 2021, 10:54:32 pm
Please confine your political/social comments to the the political threads.

It's not a political statement.  I was talking about the art of misdirection and accusing the other person of doing what it is actually you actually doing.  So, this co teacher was a bully and she flipped it around and accused the others of being the bully to maneuver herself. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on July 25, 2021, 10:57:43 pm
Actually, something is going on lately.  A lot of long term teachers resigned in my area or POE.  Lately, contracts getting worse and schools being more militant in enforcing every minor clause on top of that lately.  Not sure what's going on.  Maybe the big wigs want foreigners to leave.  Well, they succeeded.  I was surprised to see so many go.  Maybe it's just my area and not elsewhere though. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: OnNut81 on July 26, 2021, 08:05:49 am
Actually, something is going on lately.  A lot of long term teachers resigned in my area or POE.  Lately, contracts getting worse and schools being more militant in enforcing every minor clause on top of that lately.  Not sure what's going on.  Maybe the big wigs want foreigners to leave.  Well, they succeeded.  I was surprised to see so many go.  Maybe it's just my area and not elsewhere though. 

Maybe the parents want a native speaker in school but the powers that be don't, so they're making it tough so the foreigners leave and the higher ups can just say "It wasn't our decision."  Otherwise, if they really want them gone they'll just do what cities around me like Anyang then Gunpo did, and just not renew anyone and cut the whole program.   
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: thunderlips on July 26, 2021, 08:13:11 am
Actually, something is going on lately.  A lot of long term teachers resigned in my area or POE.  Lately, contracts getting worse and schools being more militant in enforcing every minor clause on top of that lately.  Not sure what's going on.  Maybe the big wigs want foreigners to leave.  Well, they succeeded.  I was surprised to see so many go.  Maybe it's just my area and not elsewhere though. 

Well it is certainly cheaper to hire newbs that are on the lower end of the payscale. *Bonus points- they also are E2 (most likely) and less likely to complain about the loss of benefits and low pay
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Kyndo on July 26, 2021, 11:27:20 am
It's not a political statement...

If that's the case, then I apologize.
Sometimes it's difficult to differentiate between political and personal opinions, and I might be a bit quick to pull the trigger on these things.

Carry on, then!
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on July 26, 2021, 11:33:44 am
Maybe the parents want a native speaker in school but the powers that be don't, so they're making it tough so the foreigners leave and the higher ups can just say "It wasn't our decision."  Otherwise, if they really want them gone they'll just do what cities around me like Anyang then Gunpo did, and just not renew anyone and cut the whole program.   

Yeah no doubt.  I suspect the 1980's generation are in the most senior positions too.  Nowadays they are the quiet racists whereas they were loud and vocal 10 to 15 years ago.  Find an excuse to get foreigners out.  Well, good luck to them.  It may take time, but it will backfire on them. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on July 26, 2021, 11:36:04 am
If that's the case, then I apologize.
Sometimes it's difficult to differentiate between political and personal opinions, and I might be a bit quick to pull the trigger on these things.

Carry on, then!

No prob.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on July 26, 2021, 12:56:42 pm
Yeah no doubt.  I suspect the 1980's generation are in the most senior positions too.  Nowadays they are the quiet racists whereas they were loud and vocal 10 to 15 years ago.  Find an excuse to get foreigners out.  Well, good luck to them.  It may take time, but it will backfire on them.
While I don't agree with their xenophobia, one does have to take into account that their generation watched as the army literally fought a street battle in a major city and shot civilians that were protesting FOR democracy while the United States twiddled its thumbs and that through their protest efforts they were able to bring down the U.S.-backed military dictatorship.

And you wonder why they can be a little touchy about such things?

Again, I don't agree with that. The U.S. doesn't have anything to do with Nepalese factory workers and Australian English teacher. But that sort of thing is going to be incredibly impacting on how one views the world.

As someone who grew up in comfort, stability and even abundance in the most powerful country on Earth, I'm going to not presume to sit in judgment of people who grew up in a less developed situation, in a military dictatorship, who were beaten in school, and had to protest to get basic democratic rights.

And again, that doesn't mean shit shouldn't be called out, just you also need to understand where people are coming from.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on July 27, 2021, 01:15:12 am
UPDATE:
Hey so I'll tell you about the "Consulting" meeting that took place:
(P.S. before this situation I had no IDEA what consulting was...I thought it was when your school was dissatisfied with your lessons and then they sent some Education officials to view your classes)
Of course It could also mean 3 people coming to your school to hear out grievances *(one of them the Gepik coordinator)! *my situation

The day before the meeting took place I was advised to make a list of of what had been occurring.  A coteacher of mine wrote 5 pages (and she surely did NOT have as many grievances as I did).  They wrote her back assuring her that they would have an open mind and listen to her point of view.

So the day before the meeting took place I wrote a long 9 page letter (sent in early in the morning so they could translate it etc) outlining everything that has gone on for over 4 months (I knew that my voice would be limited in the meeting.  Also this was the first time I could let my voice be heard).  I tried to cut emotions and focus on facts.  I sent it to the person in charge of the meeting.  They didn't acknowledge if they received it or not, despite the fact that 1 of the people observing the meeting was an "expert in English education" (as mentioned to me by my coteacher).

When the time came (the meeting).

They asked how long I had been in Korea and I said over 10 years and it seemed like they stopped listening (at least the two in charge) when I said I didn't speak Korean.  They seemed incredibly disappointed that I didn't understand Korean.  They asked if I could speak or understand Korean and I said very little and their moods changed.  They remarked that being in Korea for so long that I should understand what they were saying.  I can understand their feeling to a point...but my understanding Korean or NOT didn't change any facts at all.  ALSO THE GEPIK COORDINATOR WAS THERE!!!   Just because I have a limited understanding of Korean *no matter how long I have been here.....Why did they harp on it?  Does it change any facts?  Even the other coteacher said that that one of the main consultants seemed annoyed that I didn't understand Korean fully.

So....there was a back and forth of everyone's points.  I was given a short time to say some points...and luckily when I did my other English teachers backed me up.  (or so I could gather)...Although I don't speak Korean well, I can understand it more than I speak.

Essentially they thought my coteachers did well in pointing out their grievances about the teacher in question, but when it came to all my points of bullying they said that it was EMOTIONAL and that the coteacher in question was trying her best.

Even when my coteachers tried to give points to help me...they seemed to scoff at them.  Even if I had proof *texts etc...they seemed to not want to hear anything I had to say about harassment or bullying.  They just said it was a difference of opinion.  I mentioned about the yelling at me in class/out of class etc....  It made no difference.

The GEPIK coordinator did nothing to help my situation.  He kept looking at the clock and seemed bored and tired.  After the meeting  he told the others he would explain everything to me..  All he said was "follow the contract" in passing.  That took less than 5 seconds.  I said...this woman is bullying me and he said "yeah, yeah, I get it".

And then they entered the principal's office for about 5 minutes and then left.

Talking with my other coteachers they felt their points were heard.  I didn't feel that at all.   I have no idea of the outcome of anything. 

Despite having so much proof (texts, other teachers agreements, students agreements),  my points were all discounted.  It was likened to being a personal dispute and an emotional one at that.  NOT TRUE! I fear that this person will continue as my coteacher and make my life hell, and she will continue to bully me with permission!!

The GEPIK coordinator was not helpful..   He just wanted to leave!!!!  I get it, it was a long meeting....but come on....  I can not believe that all the GEPIK NET"S complaints/questions/concerns have to go through him.  One person dealing with hundreds of NETs ?!!! With an attitude like that?

I can't wait to leave this country.  I can't believe I wasted so many years of my life here.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on July 27, 2021, 01:25:07 am
Maybe the parents want a native speaker in school but the powers that be don't, so they're making it tough so the foreigners leave and the higher ups can just say "It wasn't our decision."  Otherwise, if they really want them gone they'll just do what cities around me like Anyang then Gunpo did, and just not renew anyone and cut the whole program.   

I felt something weird from the management like they didn't give one shit even though they had a ton of proof .... I have never felt like that before in Korea (professionally).  It seemed like it didn't matter what I said, they were done.  So I too am thinking that the program in * City (where I live) will be totally cut next year.   They cut all the funding for housing this year and I think next year for sure the *city waygs will be GONE.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: OnNut81 on July 27, 2021, 07:46:41 am
I felt something weird from the management like they didn't give one shit even though they had a ton of proof .... I have never felt like that before in Korea (professionally).  It seemed like it didn't matter what I said, they were done.  So I too am thinking that the program in * City (where I live) will be totally cut next year.   They cut all the funding for housing this year and I think next year for sure the *city waygs will be GONE.

Sorry to hear after a wrapping up a decade here you feel you wasted your time.  Hopefully, as things go forward you can focus on what made you stick around for ten years and rely on those as your memories.  I had a sh*tty finish at a hakwan before I moved to public school where I was a last day firing and got screwed and it left me bitter for awhile, bit after a few weeks of vacationing abroad I really moved on as Korea meant a lot more to me than just that messed up incident. 

And, as far as the Gepik and whatever levels of coordinators are out there, I'm not sure they've ever done anything other than be a mouthpiece for the education offices.  Never heard a word of them having a NETs back. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: HiddenInKorea on July 27, 2021, 07:58:00 am
I felt something weird from the management like they didn't give one shit even though they had a ton of proof .... I have never felt like that before in Korea (professionally).  It seemed like it didn't matter what I said, they were done.  So I too am thinking that the program in * City (where I live) will be totally cut next year.   They cut all the funding for housing this year and I think next year for sure the *city waygs will be GONE.

I'm so sorry to hear that you had to go through this :(
The best way to summarize almost anything about professionalism in this country would be "UNPROFESSIONAL, BIASED, and DISCRIMINATORY," but as foreigners, we basically don't have the right to protect ourselves from any of this. It is absurd that they are calling you "Emotional," when it is them who are EMOTIONAL in their handling of this situation because they are allowing their personal emotions and disappointment of your Korean ability to cloud their judgement and take away objectivity from this situation regardless of how much evidence you have against this woman. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Chinguetti on July 27, 2021, 09:27:27 am
Yeah, I'm so sorry, dipped. It was incredibly unprofessional of them, and saying someone is "emotional" is a very overused excuse for dismissing someone's grievances and claims. Guaranteed, if they had experienced even one of the things your coteacher had done to you, they would have turned the school upside down to get her dismissed or transferred. Everything your coteacher had done is considered waaaay disrespectful in Korean culture. The guys who attended the meeting just didn't care because you're not Korean enough for them, lol. I'm pretty sure they have it in their heads that if you don't care enough to learn Korean, then why should they care about your problems? It's ironic how their decision on the matter was very much an emotional one itself.

I'd start recording my classes with her, honestly, until I could leave the school. And I submit a scathing complaint while going out the door.

As for the coordinator, I'm so sorry that he was also so uninvolved. Unfortunately, there are no real credentials for becoming a coordinator (outside of knowing the language and being in Korea), and most of the coordinators that I have personally met aren't actually qualified for the job. Like, at all, lmao. I actually know of a case where a guy who would have been perfect for the job was passed over because the adjusshi in charge wanted the pretty young thing with zero experience instead. Didn't even look at either of their applications, just made the decision based on their pictures. So most if not all of EPIK/GEPIK coordinators don't have the management or PR skills that this position actually requires, and they're also easily manipulated by the people in charge. The position also doesn't come with the pay that someone with the skills and experience to navigate all of that should have, either, so there's not a large pool to pick from in that regard. And even when someone with that background steps forward, they're usually passed over for someone younger.

So when you combine that with the working culture here and with different people on top constantly putting up walls that these guys have no idea how to get around, you can end up with someone who chooses the path of least resistance. Or, worse, someone who buys into the bullshit and blames the foreigners for every issue that they experience, like that racist gyopo who shall remain unnamed but I'm sure some of us know exactly who I'm talking about.

I try to sympathize with coordinators because it is a tough job with very little to no support network, but it's stories like this one that can make that really hard sometimes. The ones who seem to have given up like the one you have (or who never really try to begin with) really should step down and let someone else give it a shot.

It's frustrating, and your feelings on this are 100% valid.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: HiddenInKorea on July 27, 2021, 11:13:46 am
Yeah, I'm so sorry, dipped. It was incredibly unprofessional of them, and saying someone is "emotional" is a very overused excuse for dismissing someone's grievances and claims. Guaranteed, if they had experienced even one of the things your coteacher had done to you, they would have turned the school upside down to get her dismissed or transferred. Everything your coteacher had done is considered waaaay disrespectful in Korean culture. The guys who attended the meeting just didn't care because you're not Korean enough for them, lol. I'm pretty sure they have it in their heads that if you don't care enough to learn Korean, then why should they care about your problems? It's ironic how their decision on the matter was very much an emotional one itself.

I'd start recording my classes with her, honestly, until I could leave the school. And I submit a scathing complaint while going out the door.

As for the coordinator, I'm so sorry that he was also so uninvolved. Unfortunately, there are no real credentials for becoming a coordinator (outside of knowing the language and being in Korea), and most of the coordinators that I have personally met aren't actually qualified for the job. Like, at all, lmao. I actually know of a case where a guy who would have been perfect for the job was passed over because the adjusshi in charge wanted the pretty young thing with zero experience instead. Didn't even look at either of their applications, just made the decision based on their pictures. So most if not all of EPIK/GEPIK coordinators don't have the management or PR skills that this position actually requires, and they're also easily manipulated by the people in charge. The position also doesn't come with the pay that someone with the skills and experience to navigate all of that should have, either, so there's not a large pool to pick from in that regard. And even when someone with that background steps forward, they're usually passed over for someone younger.

So when you combine that with the working culture here and with different people on top constantly putting up walls that these guys have no idea how to get around, you can end up with someone who chooses the path of least resistance. Or, worse, someone who buys into the bullshit and blames the foreigners for every issue that they experience, like that racist gyopo who shall remain unnamed but I'm sure some of us know exactly who I'm talking about.

I try to sympathize with coordinators because it is a tough job with very little to no support network, but it's stories like this one that can make that really hard sometimes. The ones who seem to have given up like the one you have (or who never really try to begin with) really should step down and let someone else give it a shot.

It's frustrating, and your feelings on this are 100% valid.

My main co-teacher, who is a contract worker, is so careful and polite and always takes extra caution when writing messages and asking something of other teachers so that she doesn't offend anyone in any way. The way your temporary co-teacher behaved is waaaay out of line! Before leaving Korea you should go to the doctor with the translated 9 pages of your report and ask for a medical note for sick leave due to the mental and emotional trauma that you have experienced due to this lady and ask your other co-teachers to back you up ( or ask for photocopies of their reports in Korean). Take the doctor-approved extra sick leave (doctors can provide notes for extended sick leave and the MOE has to follow it, I believe). Collect your last few paychecks peacefully and severance, and threaten to sue her for the emotional trauma that her bullying has caused youdamages that caused you. Also, if you can, with the help of your co-teacher write to the MOE and complain against the committee for their mistreatment and dismisal of the harrassment that you experienced.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: pkjh on July 27, 2021, 12:15:50 pm
Coordinators are just a figurehead position. With a mere extra 100k pay, and monthly meetings somewhere. Not sure what you guys can realistically expect a coordinator to do? They are foreigners like us, and that means every single paid Korean teacher outranks them. If a Korean pulls rank, there is absolutely nothing they can do.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on July 27, 2021, 12:17:42 pm
The good news is that it is vacation now and you don't have to deal with her. 

But, the attitudes of most Koreans towards us is becoming rather flippant, arrogant, and dismissive.  I had to debate whether I would renew or not.  I guess I stayed put due to covid and watching some crypto investments rebound.  I will go case by case now.  If it's better next year, maybe limp on for another.  I've been here a long time, but I seriously doubt staying too much longer.  There is no freedom in this job (more and more rules and more and more micromanagement nowadays)  and no matter how long you have been here, racist attitudes previal where the Korean is always right and the foreigner is always wrong.  Even though I wanted to leave and really wrestled and debated with myself, I very reluctantly stayed.  Korea has really gone downhill.  I like the country okay, but bad work environments with low pay really cancel out anything about a place you may like.  I have one nasty coteacher out to get the foreigner it seems.  She will call to check where I am and whip out the contract and rule book reading it line by line.  For the first ever, when I went for a renewal interview at the POE (they actually make you re interview and re aply for your job which is ridulous), one of teh interviewers actually read a couple of negative comments back to me and I know it was this one demanding extreme co teacher.  Honestly, I have never met anyone like this before.  Thankfully a couple of the interviewers I knew from along time ago.  So, they may have brushed it off.  I tried for renewal though a side of me was hoping to fail it. 

Anyways, my point is I understand how you feel.  Lately there is stagnant pay, work conditions have gone downhill, and a foreigner is a dime a dozen.  It's not like the welcome guest of honor treatment we recieved long ago.  To most people Korea honestly isn't worth it anymore.  I rememebr I use to talk to some of the supervisors at the POE, then they hired these useless coordinators.  Though most came and went so we still talked to the supervisors and the co ordinators at the same time.  You could actually have a conversation with them.  Then over the last few years, they started using these coordinators as a mouth piece and blocking all contact with anyone else in the office.  It became a wall of stubborn inflexibility and gradual impostion of micromanagement.  Now, we don't even know who the supervisors are.  These coordinators are used as gate keepers and they always quote the company line and take their side no matter what. 

If a foreign teacher is much older and near retirement, I can see them staying around till the bitter end.  But lots of F visa long termers in my area have quit and are going to quit.  The work environment has gotten worse and worse.  Since you are done in August, just stay and desk warm at your school. Use some sick days too. 

I always get slammed here when I say this and I will again too.  But seriously look into China public schools if you want to keep teaching esl abroad.  You can do Vietnam too though China pays better and often has more laid back work conditions the way Korea did years and years ago.  I almost went myself but am waiting to see what the covid deal is by 2022.  Otherwise, go home after this contract is done and just take a break.  It is easy to like Korea itself, but not the work environment and the contracts nowadays. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: JenniferNZ1 on July 27, 2021, 12:45:30 pm
So you have had the consulting and it doesn't sound as if you were 'heard' - despite your efforts.  Hopefully something is being done and you won't have to work with her next semester.  (I think you are a February/March start?).  If you are lucky they will change the teacher.  If not and you still have to 'co-teach' with her you may need to seriously consider your own mental health.  I had a teacher a few years ago (only for 6 months) and had she remained my co-teacher I would have had to leave.  I was a bit of a mess at the end and was unable to get a doctor to sign me off sick for the last week I had with her.  I just needed 3 days to complete the year but I couldn't do it.  I was at school but in the nurses office in tears (sobbing not just tears) and didn't teach with her but had to be at school.  They don't understand and do see it as a weakness if we can't cope.  Your teacher sounds like the one I had but I know it isn't because she is still at my school - as a homeroom teacher!

Anyway I hope you can relax and enjoy your vacation time (time off from co-teaching).

Good luck
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: nightninja on July 27, 2021, 01:42:16 pm
unfortunately not being Korean is almost like a mental/physical handicap sometimes because for example you could get into a car accident that was obviously not your fault but the insurance companies may say it was just because you probably didn't know how to drive as a foreigner etc......and on top someone not knowing Korean is just seen as disrespect for Korea......I don't know if that will ever change

if those things are really wearing you down, as they probably would for anyone, then yeah rethink what is best for you....you may like teaching or like Korea as a whole but if it's taking a toll on your health is it worth it in the end?

I'm sorry for what you've had to go through and how everything was handled. and as a previous coordinator myself  it's tough to go through these situations with teachers because your hands are tied.....unfortunat ely we also have no say in anything either so it's just kinda repeating policy etc because that's all we can do and honestly all we are meant to do...we arent meant to be advocates and if we try.....well we still arent Korean so our input doesn't matter much and we just don't understand the culture because whatever problem we tried to help with just isn't a big deal because foreigners just want to be dramatic, lazy, and whatever else ....

I've seen situations in which something contractual was not given or a mistake was made and the response from the higher ups was well ....the NET should have noticed or paid attention and sorry but we arent going to do anything about it...so the attitude is just literally meh its just a foreigner and we cant upset any koreans about the issue so just leave it....in the end what can we do? we can fight it sure but what are the chances of winning? the higher ups know we wont actually take it to the labor board or anything or if we did that we aren't likely to succeed .....

i doubt that foreigners are alone in these feelings to some extent.....like korean nurses hazing the younger nurses etc...its not allowed but its overlooked or the higher ups are "blind" to it.....so if conditions cant improve even within Korean employment culture, for women, single parents, divorcees, F4 visas, those not so aesthetically gifted, lower ranking employees  etc, how would it improve for foreigners ?

maybe the future will be different if Korea has to rely on foreigners coming to work and multicultural couples creating families to get the population of young people back up to where it needs to be.....I guess we shall see.....
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: L I on July 28, 2021, 05:27:23 am
Korea has really gone downhill.

In 2007 as a first year hagwon teacher, $2,100 a month for 16 hours a week. Free apartment, free phone, free food, free transportation. $4,500 for 32 hours. Could save $30,000 a year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODy-482xN8
[7:30]
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: grimlock2 on July 28, 2021, 08:16:49 am
Was that the typical kind of teacher you used to get back then too. 30s, ex retail worker with no idea of what to do in life, wannabe drug dealer?  No interest in teaching but a 'passion for travel.' Anyway, It's nice that the presenter can welcome 'good' people onto his show to tell their 'cool' stories of commiting capital offences.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: hangook77 on July 28, 2021, 10:54:59 am
Coordinators are just a figurehead position. With a mere extra 100k pay, and monthly meetings somewhere. Not sure what you guys can realistically expect a coordinator to do? They are foreigners like us, and that means every single paid Korean teacher outranks them. If a Korean pulls rank, there is absolutely nothing they can do.

Koreans are a higher rank of important being than other races of people or cultures. 
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on July 28, 2021, 09:34:25 pm
I'm so sorry to hear that you had to go through this :(
The best way to summarize almost anything about professionalism in this country would be "UNPROFESSIONAL, BIASED, and DISCRIMINATORY," but as foreigners, we basically don't have the right to protect ourselves from any of this. It is absurd that they are calling you "Emotional," when it is them who are EMOTIONAL in their handling of this situation because they are allowing their personal emotions and disappointment of your Korean ability to cloud their judgement and take away objectivity from this situation regardless of how much evidence you have against this woman. 


Yes, I felt as though all my evidence wasn't enough at all.  In fact I felt as though that their judgement was set as soon as I said that I didn't speak Korean well.  Especially from the one man (there were three....one man, one woman *who apparently was an expert in English education, and the Gepik coordinator who was fluent in both English and Korean).  Even though I read Korean, speak Korean not well, yet understand it well, he was just so disappointed.  He remarked that I had been here so long that I should understand how things are run in Korea as well as understand it!  How does my Korean ability have anything to do with the problem at hand?
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on July 28, 2021, 09:45:54 pm
I'm so sorry to hear that you had to go through this :(
The best way to summarize almost anything about professionalism in this country would be "UNPROFESSIONAL, BIASED, and DISCRIMINATORY," but as foreigners, we basically don't have the right to protect ourselves from any of this. It is absurd that they are calling you "Emotional," when it is them who are EMOTIONAL in their handling of this situation because they are allowing their personal emotions and disappointment of your Korean ability to cloud their judgement and take away objectivity from this situation regardless of how much evidence you have against this woman. 


Yes, saying that my claims were emotional totally dismissed me.  Even though I had proof!  I have a feeling that if they admitted that this woman was in fact bullying me that they could be held liable.  I don't rightly know.  When you think about our rights.....we have none!  We have a person in charge of our sensitive docs and pay and workload and our general wellbeing in the school, and we are AT THEIR MERCY! 

When I say workload let me clarify...Even if you have taught your camps and your 20 hours hasn't been fulfilled, they can make you work additional hours.  Normally I do 3-5 days of camp, at various hours within each camp.  But if you have a coteacher who rigorously looks through your contract and reads..."the school can make you work up to 20 hours"....you could be made to do this.  Before I had never been subjected to that.  Cause after camps my coteachers were like ...go home at lunch.  Not a coteacher that is on your tail.  And if they really are on your tail they will make you work the other hours...even if it's one on one teaching a student for many hours *which I have been made to do.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on July 28, 2021, 10:02:41 pm
Yeah, I'm so sorry, dipped. It was incredibly unprofessional of them, and saying someone is "emotional" is a very overused excuse for dismissing someone's grievances and claims. Guaranteed, if they had experienced even one of the things your coteacher had done to you, they would have turned the school upside down to get her dismissed or transferred. Everything your coteacher had done is considered waaaay disrespectful in Korean culture. The guys who attended the meeting just didn't care because you're not Korean enough for them, lol. I'm pretty sure they have it in their heads that if you don't care enough to learn Korean, then why should they care about your problems? It's ironic how their decision on the matter was very much an emotional one itself.

I'd start recording my classes with her, honestly, until I could leave the school. And I submit a scathing complaint while going out the door.

As for the coordinator, I'm so sorry that he was also so uninvolved. Unfortunately, there are no real credentials for becoming a coordinator (outside of knowing the language and being in Korea), and most of the coordinators that I have personally met aren't actually qualified for the job. Like, at all, lmao. I actually know of a case where a guy who would have been perfect for the job was passed over because the adjusshi in charge wanted the pretty young thing with zero experience instead. Didn't even look at either of their applications, just made the decision based on their pictures. So most if not all of EPIK/GEPIK coordinators don't have the management or PR skills that this position actually requires, and they're also easily manipulated by the people in charge. The position also doesn't come with the pay that someone with the skills and experience to navigate all of that should have, either, so there's not a large pool to pick from in that regard. And even when someone with that background steps forward, they're usually passed over for someone younger.

So when you combine that with the working culture here and with different people on top constantly putting up walls that these guys have no idea how to get around, you can end up with someone who chooses the path of least resistance. Or, worse, someone who buys into the bullshit and blames the foreigners for every issue that they experience, like that racist gyopo who shall remain unnamed but I'm sure some of us know exactly who I'm talking about.

I try to sympathize with coordinators because it is a tough job with very little to no support network, but it's stories like this one that can make that really hard sometimes. The ones who seem to have given up like the one you have (or who never really try to begin with) really should step down and let someone else give it a shot.

It's frustrating, and your feelings on this are 100% valid.

Chingu, when I read your post I was tearing up!  Thank you for your sweet words!!!!  THE ONLY REASON the consulting occurred was because my other coteachers had fights with her.  And they were totally to do with their objections on how she addressed them and her attitude!!!!!!  If she hadn't have disturbed them nothing would be done.  All of her shittery would still be in motion *I just made up a word SHITTERY....not to be confused with FUCKERY~ haha

Like you said, it's funny how their judgement of me had to do with the fact that I couldn't speak Korean well enough for them....Which had NOTHING to do with anything.  Especially since they brought the Gepik coordinator with them. 

Personally I don't feel sorry for this coordinator.   This is the second encounter I have had with him *first was over the phone in dealing with the fact that my city was kicking a bunch of us out of our homes and not giving subsidies (the schools in my city kicked us out of our homes with less than 2 month's warning and said if we wanted to stay at our schools for the next year we would be rehired, provided that we didn't ask for rent from city hall the people who fund us)  If our schools could muster up the coin for subsidized rent, then we could stay.  Otherwise....basica lly a **** u...  Thankfully I had some money saved up, but mostly people left.


Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on July 28, 2021, 10:03:31 pm
My main co-teacher, who is a contract worker, is so careful and polite and always takes extra caution when writing messages and asking something of other teachers so that she doesn't offend anyone in any way. The way your temporary co-teacher behaved is waaaay out of line! Before leaving Korea you should go to the doctor with the translated 9 pages of your report and ask for a medical note for sick leave due to the mental and emotional trauma that you have experienced due to this lady and ask your other co-teachers to back you up ( or ask for photocopies of their reports in Korean). Take the doctor-approved extra sick leave (doctors can provide notes for extended sick leave and the MOE has to follow it, I believe). Collect your last few paychecks peacefully and severance, and threaten to sue her for the emotional trauma that her bullying has caused youdamages that caused you. Also, if you can, with the help of your co-teacher write to the MOE and complain against the committee for their mistreatment and dismisal of the harrassment that you experienced.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on July 28, 2021, 10:13:39 pm
My main co-teacher, who is a contract worker, is so careful and polite and always takes extra caution when writing messages and asking something of other teachers so that she doesn't offend anyone in any way. The way your temporary co-teacher behaved is waaaay out of line! Before leaving Korea you should go to the doctor with the translated 9 pages of your report and ask for a medical note for sick leave due to the mental and emotional trauma that you have experienced due to this lady and ask your other co-teachers to back you up ( or ask for photocopies of their reports in Korean). Take the doctor-approved extra sick leave (doctors can provide notes for extended sick leave and the MOE has to follow it, I believe). Collect your last few paychecks peacefully and severance, and threaten to sue her for the emotional trauma that her bullying has caused youdamages that caused you. Also, if you can, with the help of your co-teacher write to the MOE and complain against the committee for their mistreatment and dismisal of the harrassment that you experienced.

That's awesome for you Hidden!  In my experience the contract workers who are in charge of the NET's are the worst!!  They flex that they are in charge of you and that you are BENEATH them.  Also love to bring up the fact that they get all of summer and winter off and YOU DON'T!  I've had 3 contract workers do that to me. 

I have a whole other semester left on my contract.  I don't know how much difference a note from a doctor would do.  Perhaps it could take all my 11 days paid sick leave in a row off?  And then what?  Go unpaid? 
I do love your idea of contacting the MOE....although wasn't the MOE involved in this situation?  They came and did their assessment.  I'm fully on board for taking this to the next level though.  I have never been bullied as much as I have in Korea.  The workplace for a lot of waygooks is toxic and unhealthy and we have one EPIK/GEPIK etc coordinator to complain to?  This person can do diddly squat. 

Who else can foreigners turn to when it becomes unbearable?  Seriously I wish to know.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on July 28, 2021, 10:27:50 pm
So you have had the consulting and it doesn't sound as if you were 'heard' - despite your efforts.  Hopefully something is being done and you won't have to work with her next semester.  (I think you are a February/March start?).  If you are lucky they will change the teacher.  If not and you still have to 'co-teach' with her you may need to seriously consider your own mental health.  I had a teacher a few years ago (only for 6 months) and had she remained my co-teacher I would have had to leave.  I was a bit of a mess at the end and was unable to get a doctor to sign me off sick for the last week I had with her.  I just needed 3 days to complete the year but I couldn't do it.  I was at school but in the nurses office in tears (sobbing not just tears) and didn't teach with her but had to be at school.  They don't understand and do see it as a weakness if we can't cope.  Your teacher sounds like the one I had but I know it isn't because she is still at my school - as a homeroom teacher!

Anyway I hope you can relax and enjoy your vacation time (time off from co-teaching).

Good luck

Oh my gosh that's awful!  Your experience must have been so terrible~  You must have felt so alone and in despair in that moment and I can totally sympathise!  It truly gives you trauma when you have to deal with your abuser/bullier everyday and there isn't any one to help.  Sobbing in the nurses office!  Poor thing, but I completely understand your tears.  I have cried silently and alone in the bathroom stall so many times at my school.  But these days my tears have dried up and I am just angry and bitter. 

How can we work in these conditions?  I know I give so much into my teaching...I plan for hours each week for all my lessons...and to have some piece of shit, no talent (seriously the classes she teaches on her own are a joke) asshole attack me over and over again.....like i said I just wanna mosey on from Korea.  Cause we have no people to actually help us here with our legitimate claims of bullying and harrassment.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: dippedinblush on July 28, 2021, 11:08:06 pm
The good news is that it is vacation now and you don't have to deal with her. 

But, the attitudes of most Koreans towards us is becoming rather flippant, arrogant, and dismissive.  I had to debate whether I would renew or not.  I guess I stayed put due to covid and watching some crypto investments rebound.  I will go case by case now.  If it's better next year, maybe limp on for another.  I've been here a long time, but I seriously doubt staying too much longer.  There is no freedom in this job (more and more rules and more and more micromanagement nowadays)  and no matter how long you have been here, racist attitudes previal where the Korean is always right and the foreigner is always wrong.  Even though I wanted to leave and really wrestled and debated with myself, I very reluctantly stayed.  Korea has really gone downhill.  I like the country okay, but bad work environments with low pay really cancel out anything about a place you may like.  I have one nasty coteacher out to get the foreigner it seems.  She will call to check where I am and whip out the contract and rule book reading it line by line.  For the first ever, when I went for a renewal interview at the POE (they actually make you re interview and re aply for your job which is ridulous), one of teh interviewers actually read a couple of negative comments back to me and I know it was this one demanding extreme co teacher.  Honestly, I have never met anyone like this before.  Thankfully a couple of the interviewers I knew from along time ago.  So, they may have brushed it off.  I tried for renewal though a side of me was hoping to fail it. 

Anyways, my point is I understand how you feel.  Lately there is stagnant pay, work conditions have gone downhill, and a foreigner is a dime a dozen.  It's not like the welcome guest of honor treatment we recieved long ago.  To most people Korea honestly isn't worth it anymore.  I rememebr I use to talk to some of the supervisors at the POE, then they hired these useless coordinators.  Though most came and went so we still talked to the supervisors and the co ordinators at the same time.  You could actually have a conversation with them.  Then over the last few years, they started using these coordinators as a mouth piece and blocking all contact with anyone else in the office.  It became a wall of stubborn inflexibility and gradual impostion of micromanagement.  Now, we don't even know who the supervisors are.  These coordinators are used as gate keepers and they always quote the company line and take their side no matter what. 

If a foreign teacher is much older and near retirement, I can see them staying around till the bitter end.  But lots of F visa long termers in my area have quit and are going to quit.  The work environment has gotten worse and worse.  Since you are done in August, just stay and desk warm at your school. Use some sick days too. 

I always get slammed here when I say this and I will again too.  But seriously look into China public schools if you want to keep teaching esl abroad.  You can do Vietnam too though China pays better and often has more laid back work conditions the way Korea did years and years ago.  I almost went myself but am waiting to see what the covid deal is by 2022.  Otherwise, go home after this contract is done and just take a break.  It is easy to like Korea itself, but not the work environment and the contracts nowadays. 

I totally agree with you with the fact that you like Korea, just fine.  So many things to like.  Including fast transportation, fast everything and convenience.  Especially if you come from Canada, like I do.  It takes so long to get from point a to b in Canada and it is expensive.  If you order something on the internet, it is fast.  And that's about it for me.

But...these days everything is expensive especially in Korea, and paying for convenience with the price of my sanity, peace of mind, happiness, love of fresh air and natural beauty, family, freedom and a lot more social equality, etc.  I can't do it anymore. 






Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: mollyconley11@gmail.com on July 29, 2021, 07:49:01 am
You could go to the media since nobody is helping you.  CNBC might write about your story since they just covered another teacher's story about working here. I'm not sure if it would count as slander if you don't mention your specific teacher or school's name. https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/07/15/24k-a-year-in-seoul-south-korea-millennial-money-michaela-cricchio.html (https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/07/15/24k-a-year-in-seoul-south-korea-millennial-money-michaela-cricchio.html) You could also gather statements from other teachers who were bullied and try to get a local newspaper to write a story. It might not make your situation any better, but it might be cathartic.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: thunderlips on July 29, 2021, 07:51:34 am
You can go to the doctor and complain of stress and bullying. They may give you 2 weeks off from work. Also gives you a paper trail for a lawyer.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: Chinguetti on July 29, 2021, 09:35:39 am
Chingu, when I read your post I was tearing up!  Thank you for your sweet words!!!!  THE ONLY REASON the consulting occurred was because my other coteachers had fights with her.  And they were totally to do with their objections on how she addressed them and her attitude!!!!!!  If she hadn't have disturbed them nothing would be done.  All of her shittery would still be in motion *I just made up a word SHITTERY....not to be confused with FUCKERY~ haha

Like you said, it's funny how their judgement of me had to do with the fact that I couldn't speak Korean well enough for them....Which had NOTHING to do with anything.  Especially since they brought the Gepik coordinator with them. 

Personally I don't feel sorry for this coordinator.   This is the second encounter I have had with him *first was over the phone in dealing with the fact that my city was kicking a bunch of us out of our homes and not giving subsidies (the schools in my city kicked us out of our homes with less than 2 month's warning and said if we wanted to stay at our schools for the next year we would be rehired, provided that we didn't ask for rent from city hall the people who fund us)  If our schools could muster up the coin for subsidized rent, then we could stay.  Otherwise....basica lly a **** u...  Thankfully I had some money saved up, but mostly people left.

Yeah, sounds like that entire district has some major problems. I hope that you choose to go somewhere else, even if you don't have a problem with your school in and of itself. There's such a lack of respect for you as a person that they don't deserve to have you at all. They can go **** themselves.

As for the coordinator, I understand where you're coming from. I understand that these coordinators often have their hands tied, but there's a right way to handle things and there's a wrong way to handle things. So yeah, I don't sympathize with him at all, either. The bare minimum he could have done was to set your expectations beforehand and to let you know what your options were, but it doesn't sound like he did even that. Someone with the relevant background skills would have handled this much better. And I get that the ones who're hired for these positions aren't qualified for what this type of position entails, and that the offices aren't paying for someone who is qualified -- they just want a mouthpiece -- but when you take this type of position, there is still an expectation, same as a person who's hired to be a teacher even though they don't have an education degree. So yeah, maybe you won't know what to do or how to navigate these issues as well as someone with the relevant skills and experience would, but you do the best you can with what you have. I've watched as some coordinators give it their all while others put in zero effort, and there's a big difference between the ones I've seen who at least try and the ones who never try to begin with.

So with respect to people who try to excuse it, I stand by my earlier comments. I don't blame the coordinators for not being qualified for the position, it's a systemic issue, and the offices are getting exactly what they want and pay for. But yawning through a meeting that you are specifically meant to take part in, and not saying a goddamn thing while someone who isn't able to communicate as effectively as you can is getting ripped apart right in front of you makes you an ass. This person should NOT be a coordinator, I don't ****** care what his excuses are.
Title: Re: Resigning from Gepik
Post by: HiddenInKorea on July 29, 2021, 12:16:17 pm
That's awesome for you Hidden!  In my experience the contract workers who are in charge of the NET's are the worst!!  They flex that they are in charge of you and that you are BENEATH them.  Also love to bring up the fact that they get all of summer and winter off and YOU DON'T!  I've had 3 contract workers do that to me. 

I have a whole other semester left on my contract.  I don't know how much difference a note from a doctor would do.  Perhaps it could take all my 11 days paid sick leave in a row off?  And then what?  Go unpaid? 
I do love your idea of contacting the MOE....although wasn't the MOE involved in this situation?  They came and did their assessment.  I'm fully on board for taking this to the next level though.  I have never been bullied as much as I have in Korea.  The workplace for a lot of waygooks is toxic and unhealthy and we have one EPIK/GEPIK etc coordinator to complain to?  This person can do diddly squat. 

Who else can foreigners turn to when it becomes unbearable?  Seriously I wish to know.


Are you working at an elementary school by any chance? There are some rumors among Korean teachers that It is usually the elementary schools that have the worst bullying type of co-workers.
They tend to be the most unprofessional, competitive, and undermining as well. I wanted to add, that it is not only foreigners going through this, but some Kyopo (overseas Koreans who came to teach through EPIK), and they are bilingual, have had some nasty treatment and experienced some severe bullying.... like having to fill out hundreds of reports cards instead of the student's homeroom teachers, had rumors spread about them, had extremely low evaluations after they've promised to give them stellar scores :(.

 There really should be an orientation for all public school Korean teachers on cross-cultural communication, respect, and how to work with a foreign teaching assistant and how to treat them ect. In addition, the Native teachers should be able to rate/score their Korean co-workers regarding their attitude, open-mindedness, and respect, tolerance, and adaptability. Every instance of bullying in the classroom should be recorded and used for training purposes for Korean teachers on what "NOT" to do when working with a NET. And honestly, I think that the training programs for the Korean teachers should have basics like..... 1) The Foreign Teacher is a Human Being Just Like you! No, they are not Korean, but they are not any less valuable than us just because they don't understand our language and culture does not give us the right to mistreat or ignore, because they are coming to contribute/ assist with expanding globalization, language!  2) Don't be jealous of the foreign teachers or worried that they can take your jobs because ... They Can't!!! We are this country's civil servants, and they are guests coming in to assists us. So be don't be hostile towards them, they are our guests! 3) We will ask the foreign teachers about how well you Korean teachers treat them as hosts in this county! And if there are any reports of intentional hostility or bullying.. there will be demerits towards your teaching career (This would really, really make the teachers think twice before bullying a foreign worker)..,
The only way to change this problem going forward is having global training and cross-cultural training and workshops for future teachers and current teachers. And also clear demerits, fines, and loss of privileges need to be set for anyone who deliberately mistreats foreign co-workers.  That is the only way to stop all this non-sense.

Again, I'm sorry to hear you have to face this idiot co-teacher next semester.
Please go to get that doctor's note of severe mental trauma, send it to the MOE higher-ups (ask your coordinator about the hire-ups are and whether you can make an appointment to see them). Or ask  other nice Korean co-teachers to assist you to reach the higher-ups. Strongly demand a transfer for your next semester! Tell them you can not put up with it!  If they do not transfer you, tell them you need 2 co-teachers in the classroom, because a teacher is needed to monitor your Co-workers because she is emotional, unstable, and therefore, not able to work with a Native Teacher on her own without supervision. Even tell them that you've been contemplating taking your own life because of this bullying (over exaggerate by a lot if you need to) do whatever it takes to get to a new school and have a nice quite last semester of life in Korea. As a last resort, go with your nice co-teachers and talk to your principal and vice-principal that you are thinking of taking legal action against your co-teacher if the situation continues. No principal wants to have this escalating at their school as it can reflect badly on them and their inability to manage the teachers, so they will have to fix this (if not for your, but for their own sakes).

Korea is at least 50 years behind the west when it comes to professionalism at the workplace and not just when it comes to foreigners, but also Koreans. The workplace is just now (in the past decade) has been transforming for the better for its own citizens (not allowing physical violence towards employees by bosses, 2014 - anti-corruption-bribery laws for civil servants (so no more major gifts for the Principal and Vice Principals or teachers accepting anything from students' parents... not even a meal), extended materinty leave for women ect. Since things are just starting to improve for this country's people... foreigners will probably have to wait another 10 years.. until there are more and more international marriages, students, and workers in the society.

(Edit) I just wanted to added something more,
Please don't feel bad about yourself or feel that you have wasted the last decade of your life in Korea.
You didn't! You came here as a young adult and grew, and developed, and learned more about who you are and got to explore the world around you!
(As ordinary as this may sound, and as terrible as some experiences can be in this country, you've been able to come to Korea when it was relatively cheap and travel and enjoy so many opportunities, that many are dying to have, but never will because they don't have the privilege of holding a passport and higher education from a prestigious Western country...) And maybe, just maybe, the exact reason that the nasty co-teacher is bullying you! She could be jealous that as a young person, you had the privilege to come abroad and work and save and experience the opportunities that she herself (and probably even her children will never have in the same capacity as Westerners). Think of the young Koreans going abroad ... non of them have an equivalent opportunity to what EPIK provides to us.
I read earlier in the post that you're from Canada? (I don't know where in Canada you're from), but your skills in ESL can be very valuable... and if you're interested in continuing working in this when you return, why not take a Post-Graduate Certificate course from a local college for 2 semesters and get certified to teach adult immigrants/ refugees classes run by the Canadian government?