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Title: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: hangook77 on April 02, 2021, 01:21:04 pm
Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?  All my coteachers at all of my schools this year want to play the old games pass the ball etc.  They also do surveys and other group activities where students gather together.   When I talk about corona and social distancing they look like they don't know what I'm talking about.  Teachers hand out sheets to front students and they touch and pass the papers back to each other.  Except for being masked up, all the procedures from last year seem to be out the window except a couple of schools still have the plexi glass on the tables.

So, did the education office and the government get rid of social distancing and other rules and not tell me?  I still run my classes as social distancing and limiting the activities I can play but it seems to be creating some conflict with some stunned teachers.  One even videoed a class for parents and played pass the ball activity where all kids touched the ball.  Again, am I missing something?  Are corona rules gone now?
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: shostager on April 02, 2021, 01:55:31 pm
I just got a message from my school, asking us to keep masks on at all times, try not to talk (in...conversation class?), keep 2m apart (the desks don't seem to be 2m apart though...), and don't give the students any food to eat in school. The rules are definitely still there, although students sometimes act as though they aren't...

I'm surprised your co-teachers are that lax already.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: nightninja on April 02, 2021, 03:10:32 pm
my schools still follow the rules for the  most part, but of course the kids don't during break times when the teachers arent around.....

It really makes me wonder ...... went to a soccer game once with my husband....we.....r ode in the same car and umm.....live in the same house....but we must social distance at the game.....I ask him why this is necessary as obviously families and close friends live/came together etc.....he says its just how it is and to not get angry about it....wasnt angry but just confused as to how it made any sense....anyway was sitting right next to him and this lady yells at me to move (not staff) and i wouldnt move....so he moves.....during half time her and her whole family are together....now either she was scared of the foreigner or......i dunno....laugh about it and tell my husband its funny that people are such hypocrites (not Koreans, but people in general) and he says well its half time..............s o I can't get corona because its half time?!?!?
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: CO2 on April 02, 2021, 03:15:41 pm
my schools still follow the rules for the  most part, but of course the kids don't during break times when the teachers arent around.....

It really makes me wonder ...... went to a soccer game once with my husband....we.....r ode in the same car and umm.....live in the same house....but we must social distance at the game.....I ask him why this is necessary as obviously families and close friends live/came together etc.....he says its just how it is and to not get angry about it....wasnt angry but just confused as to how it made any sense....anyway was sitting right next to him and this lady yells at me to move (not staff) and i wouldnt move....so he moves.....during half time her and her whole family are together....now either she was scared of the foreigner or......i dunno....laugh about it and tell my husband its funny that people are such hypocrites (not Koreans, but people in general) and he says well its half time..............s o I can't get corona because its half time?!?!?

Yeah, same at the cinema. (Not now, but 2 or 3 months ago). Every single seat is spaced out. Uhhh, why? You can buy 2 tickets at the same time...... The closer my gf and I are together, the MORE distance we put between US and everyone else............... haha
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: hangook77 on April 02, 2021, 03:22:18 pm
I just got a message from my school, asking us to keep masks on at all times, try not to talk (in...conversation class?), keep 2m apart (the desks don't seem to be 2m apart though...), and don't give the students any food to eat in school. The rules are definitely still there, although students sometimes act as though they aren't...

I'm surprised your co-teachers are that lax already.

Yeah some of them argued with me lightly wanting to do the old games and activities.  I was surprised.  I do take off the mask social distanced in a small room or outdoors by myself cause I need to get it off sometimes.  But I take all other precautions including wear in class. 
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: leaponover on April 09, 2021, 06:03:06 pm
I think at this point the country is rebelling a bit because Moon messed up so badly getting vaccines.  They are at the point now where they don't think Moon will work harder unless the numbers start to go back up.  They don't want to make it easy on Moon.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 09, 2021, 06:10:02 pm
Vaccinations given in the US - almost 200 million.

Vaccinations given worldwide - almost one billion.

Vaccinations given in South Korea... not many. (Less than one one thousandth of the population is fully vaccinated.)
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: DocH on April 09, 2021, 10:54:47 pm
Vaccinations given in the US - almost 200 million.

Vaccinations given worldwide - almost one billion.

Vaccinations given in South Korea... not many. (Less than one one thousandth of the population is fully vaccinated.)

Is this because Koreans don't want it?
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Savant on April 10, 2021, 05:54:48 am
The current decision to just extend the current guidelines given that cases are at their highest for months suggests that the Government are scared at enacting tough decisions to get the infection rate under control.

Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: T.J. on April 10, 2021, 08:59:35 am
Is this because Koreans don't want it?

It's a supply problem. No good deed shall go unpunished.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea-vaccine-idUSKBN2BO5BZ
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 10, 2021, 09:27:38 am
If there's not enough supply, can't Korea make vaccines in a factory? So many vaccines brands in the world now. It'd be good partner and use manpower and resources to make the world a better place. First Koreans could get the vaccines, then the extra after that could be sold to other countries.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: T.J. on April 10, 2021, 09:46:18 am
Domestic production has always been a part of the overall plan and is being implemented. Good article here regarding the benefits of domestic production as well as some of the challenges in getting production going.

https://thediplomat.com/2021/02/why-south-korea-still-hasnt-vaccinated-anyone/
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Kyndo on April 12, 2021, 07:12:33 am
Vaccinations given in South Korea... not many. (Less than one one thousandth of the population is fully vaccinated.)
Not to be pedantic, but at the time of this quote, 59,422 people were fully vaccinated. That' approximately 0.115%, which is over one thousandth of the population.   :laugh:
[source] (https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+people+in+south+korea+are+vacinated&oq=how+many+people+in+south+korea+are+vacinated&aqs=chrome..69i57.6908j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 12, 2021, 07:48:27 am
So three days ago when I wrote that it was under one in a thousand, but now itís over one in a thousand (barely). Yay! Koreaís making progress!
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Mr C on April 12, 2021, 07:52:53 am
So three days ago when I wrote that it was under one in a thousand, but now itís over one in a thousand (barely). Yay! Koreaís making progress!
Not to out-pedantic Kyndo (oh, if only I could!) but the reference he provided shows clearly that 3 days ago, on April 9, 0.115% of the population had been fully vaccinated.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 12, 2021, 08:07:13 am

Sometimes the latest info is not from the same day. So if someone searched April 9th, they might get stats as of April 7th.

For April 12th, today, the latest stats are as of April 10th.

OK, so it's one out of a thousand Koreans who have been fully vaccinated.

Is that good?

How many Koreans do you know who got a shot? Zero?

How many people overall do you know who got a shot? Probably a lot. (In the US at least.)
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 12, 2021, 08:37:34 am
It's a supply problem.

It's a demand problem as well. Koreans want to wait until countries are fully vaccinated then wait a while more to see if there are any side effects. That's some Koreans, not all, but many are hesitant to take the vaccine before knowing for sure how safe it is. Which is foolish in my opinion. Almost a billion vaccinations. It's safe!
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 12, 2021, 08:41:56 am
How long until we get vaccinated?

Looks like summer vacation abroad ain't gonna happen this year, and maybe winter 2022 as well.

Maybe we American citizens can ask to get a vaccination at an army base (or somewhere else) once every American who wanted it in the US has gotten it?

Write to our congressmen asking for help?
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Kyndo on April 12, 2021, 09:24:47 am
So three days ago when I wrote that it was under one in a thousand, but now itís over one in a thousand (barely). Yay! Koreaís making progress!
Nonono!!!!! Read my comment again. According to the timestamp, on the day you posted, it was over .1% ! By an entire 0.015%. 0.015%!!!
That's like... by more than 1 person!!!
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 12, 2021, 09:35:26 am
When I searched online April 9th, April 7th was the latest stats. For today, April 12th, April 10th info is the most recent. On the day I posted, the stats from that very day weren't available. South Korea actually is making progress day by day. That's good news. On April 7th, 42K were fully vaccinated. By April 10th, 60K. That actually is a pretty big jump. Well, percentage wise at least. A few thousand a day is a heck of a lot better than nothing. Just a lot slower than the USA, which is vaccinating a few million a day.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Kyndo on April 12, 2021, 09:38:39 am
Ah, gotcha.
If you're interested in following up-to-date info on the topic, I believe that the site I linked updates several times a day.

Also, don't take that comment as criticism. It was meant to be very tongue-in-cheek. I guess that this medium doesn't always lend itself to that kind of humour. :smiley:
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 12, 2021, 09:44:45 am
I believe that the site I linked updates several times a day.

It says most recent update two days ago. Same as when I posted.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Kyndo on April 12, 2021, 09:59:02 am
It says most recent update two days ago. Same as when I posted.
Oh hey, you're right.
But the source of that source is more up to date. It just hasn't been translated and  prettied up in a graph format yet .
https://ncv.kdca.go.kr/
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on April 12, 2021, 10:16:43 am
It's a demand problem as well. Koreans want to wait until countries are fully vaccinated then wait a while more to see if there are any side effects. That's some Koreans, not all, but many are hesitant to take the vaccine before knowing for sure how safe it is. Which is foolish in my opinion. Almost a billion vaccinations. It's safe!
It's not wholly foolish. It's not like Corona is killing mass numbers of people here. There's actually some reasonable risk analysis.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 12, 2021, 10:23:25 am
Koreaís keeping the numbers down by banning groups of more than four and restricting businesses. Is that a way to live long term? Itís taking a psychological toll on many. Thatís why vaccines should come ASAP. Only 1 in 28,000 had a serious adverse effect. Most people have been fine.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on April 12, 2021, 10:43:12 am
Koreaís keeping the numbers down by banning groups of more than four and restricting businesses. Is that a way to live long term? Itís taking a psychological toll on many. Thatís why vaccines should come ASAP. Only 1 in 28,000 had a serious adverse effect. Most people have been fine.
By Corona restriction standards, thats pretty light.

Sometimes vaccine/drug complications take time to arise. Not that this means they will or if they f
Do its anything too serious, just that we are in a unique situation where companies raced to do this and had expedited testing and trials.

Given Korea's situation relative to other countries, waiting a few extra months is no biggie. Let countries that need it badly get it first.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: T.J. on April 13, 2021, 09:51:31 am
"South Korea said on Monday it plans to begin local production of Novavax Inc's COVID-19 vaccine as early as June, while five domestic companies aim to start late stage clinical trials of their own shots in the second half of this year."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-korea-says-five-companies-081205579.html
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: hangook77 on April 13, 2021, 01:37:56 pm
Two of my schools told me to work from home and they keep all travelling teachers away.  So, Thurs Fri Sat Sun and Monday long weekend.  Woo hoo.  Only Tues and Wed at my other 2 schools this week.  Some are taking corona quite seriously and some aren't, including many coteachers who as I previously mentioned aren't social distancing and wanting to play games that aren't socially distanced. 
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Kyndo on April 13, 2021, 01:48:40 pm
You're lucky!
In my area, most teachers who had schools they couldn't go to were required to go desk warm at their main school.
Currently, everybody is back teaching face to face as per the norm, though.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: hangook77 on April 13, 2021, 01:56:32 pm
You're lucky!

In my area, most teachers who had schools they couldn't go to were required to go desk warm at their main school.
Currently, everybody is back teaching face to face as per the norm, though.


Kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it?  If you had corona and they were trying to keep it away from kids, you'd still be at the main school spreading it to the teachers and kids who come into the teacher's room.  Brilliant idea of theirs.  I remember a friend in another town over from me had that same experience for bird flu years ago after coming back from abroad.  Had to go to main school and desk warm in teachers room for a week.  My local ed office told me to stay home and quarantine just in case.  Which one was medically safer?  But some can't handle giving the foreigner any time off.  So, I will be grateful. 
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Kyndo on April 13, 2021, 02:06:39 pm
Kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it?  If you had corona and they were trying to keep it away from kids, you'd still be at the main school spreading it to the teachers and kids who come into the teacher's room.  Brilliant idea of theirs.  I remember a friend in another town over from me had that same experience for bird flu years ago after coming back from abroad.  Had to go to main school and desk warm in teachers room for a week.  My local ed office told me to stay home and quarantine just in case.  Which one was medically safer?  But some can't handle giving the foreigner any time off.  So, I will be grateful. 
Well, I mean, sure. I  def would've preferred to "work from home"!
In my particular case, the students were all at home doing distance learning. All the teachers had to get tested and were required to be at school, developing video lesson content.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: hangook77 on April 14, 2021, 01:54:21 pm
Well, I mean, sure. I  def would've preferred to "work from home"!
In my particular case, the students were all at home doing distance learning. All the teachers had to get tested and were required to be at school, developing video lesson content.

All your kids are home then?  Mine are all coming to school.  I am at my Tues and Wed school.  But my other schools this week are asking any travelling teacher as they call it including after schools to stay away.  Kids still come in and the teachers still not really enforcing social distancing too much. 
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 14, 2021, 07:34:42 pm
COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people:
United Kingdom: 59.08
United States: 57.49
Canada: 22.79
Ireland: 21.8
Australia: 4.84
South Korea: 2.53
New Zealand: 1.87
South Africa: 0.49
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?time=latest
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: VanIslander on April 14, 2021, 08:16:23 pm
COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people:
United Kingdom: 59.08
United States: 57.49
...
South Korea: 2.53
Fools.

Two countries known to ignore early precautions, preach freedom, then get COVID19 at much higher rates: Texas, Florida and the PM in London put their foot in their mouth, bit down hard, now has the masses taking a risky jab in the arm? Trust AstraZeneca. Trust Johnson & Johnson. Trust bioengineered cutting-edge science innovations and trust the gov't.

S.Korea prez Moon got an AstraZeneca jab  on tv, er, wait, the nurse disappeared behind a screen and emerged with something that looked different but we were all assured by the officials was the same thing.

And oh...

Opps. Severe blood clot reactions? Let's NOW take precautions.

George Carlin would be 85 years old now but he still would be saying "Get the **** out of here."
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: D.L.Orean on April 15, 2021, 07:27:22 am

S.Korea prez Moon got an AstraZeneca jab  on tv, er, wait, the nurse disappeared behind a screen and emerged with something that looked different but we were all assured by the officials was the same thing.


Do you really believe this bullshit?
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Kyndo on April 15, 2021, 07:35:35 am
All your kids are home then?  Mine are all coming to school.  I am at my Tues and Wed school.  But my other schools this week are asking any travelling teacher as they call it including after schools to stay away.  Kids still come in and the teachers still not really enforcing social distancing too much. 
Oh, no.
That was the first half of the previous semester.
All my classes have been face to face this semester. Back to normal, basically, except with plexiglass partitions, masks, fever checks, hand sanitizers, and some distancing rules for lunch, recess, and break-time.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 15, 2021, 01:13:06 pm
Quote
Opps. Severe blood clot reactions? Let's NOW take precautions.

Donít worry about it. Itís rare.

ďone in 40,000 people vaccinated with the AstraZeneca shot could expect to experience this serious complicationĒ
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 15, 2021, 01:15:35 pm
Weigh that against the risk of being severely hurt by coronavirus... which is also very rare... especially if one is healthy.

All that worrying is bad for health. Just enjoy life and be happy.

And get the vaccine. Because refusal to do so could result in being fired.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: OnNut81 on April 15, 2021, 02:19:54 pm
Donít worry about it. Itís rare.

ďone in 40,000 people vaccinated with the AstraZeneca shot could expect to experience this serious complicationĒ


So, roll the dice with your health?  No, thanks.  1 in 40,000 isn't any comfort to the numerous people that will add up to.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 15, 2021, 02:31:15 pm
Isn't it more risky to not get vaccinated? And only the AstraZeneca has that risk, one so small to not be worth worrying about in my opinion. Living in Korea, we don't have a choice really; might have to settle for the AstraZeneca. Get the vaccination to keep your job and be able to travel. It's worth it.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: bigfishlittlefish on April 15, 2021, 02:58:39 pm
It still seems much safer than taking the COVID.  I'll have the vaccine thank you.

Also, as far as I've heard it's 1 in 250K that are getting blood clots from AZ.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Lazio on April 16, 2021, 08:17:10 am
COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people:
United Kingdom: 59.08
United States: 57.49
Canada: 22.79
Ireland: 21.8
Australia: 4.84
South Korea: 2.53
New Zealand: 1.87
South Africa: 0.49
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?time=latest

Yet the number of cases is on the rise in the US currently. And not only that but the number of deaths are also near 1000 every day.
About 10% of the population already had the virus and in reality it could be 30-40%. They are not fully immune, especially if they had it a year ago, but still.
And another 30 something percent is fully vaccinated and even more got at least one shot. Of course the vaccinated ones and those that already had the virus overlap.
I would say over 50% of the population should be ''armed'' against the virus (also including those under 20. They aren't ending up in hospitals. And the more vulnerable older generations have already been vaccinated)
So why are the numbers going up? Genuine question.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 16, 2021, 08:30:57 am
Thereís been a big decline in cases corresponding with vaccination. Yes, there have been upticks here and there but the overall trajectory has been down.  Look at a graph showing the entirety of 2021.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Lazio on April 16, 2021, 08:38:42 am
Thereís been a big decline in cases corresponding with vaccination. Yes, there have been upticks here and there but the overall trajectory has been down.  Look at a graph showing the entirety of 2021.

There were ups and downs in every country, way before the vaccination started. The decline in the US in January was not because of the vaccination. It just barely started back then.
The numbers should be going down but instead they are climbing. The trend is clear. The more people vaccinated the faster it should be going down. But it's moving in the other direction.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 16, 2021, 09:11:15 am
Post a graph showing the number of coronavirus cases and/or deaths from the start of the pandemic until now.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Lazio on April 16, 2021, 09:36:54 am
Post a graph showing the number of coronavirus cases and/or deaths from the start of the pandemic until now.

You deleted your question: ''How can that be?''

That is exactly what I'm asking. I'm not against vaccines at all. But looking at the numbers it just doesn't make much sense. In other countries ( Israel, the UK) the vaccination shows good results. No matter what graphs you want to look at from 6 months or a year ago, in the USA it's not showing yet. That is hard to argue with. And I'm just wondering what is the reason.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 16, 2021, 11:41:27 am

Look the graph; thereís been a massive decline:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/03/24/covid-live-updates.html


Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 16, 2021, 11:44:14 am
Recent upticks can be attributed to the easing of social distancing rules. Americans are packing into stadiums to watch sporting events. Not wearing masks as much as before. (No longer mandatory in some places.)
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 16, 2021, 12:38:14 pm
South Korea said on Monday it plans to begin local production of Novavax Inc's COVID-19 vaccine

And...

South Korean consortium to produce 100 million doses a month of Russia's Sputnik V vaccine
https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-korean-consortium-produce-100-024538352.html

Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: tylerthegloob on April 16, 2021, 12:46:16 pm
Здорово!
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: leaponover on April 16, 2021, 02:10:41 pm
Factor in the rise of drug overdoses, the future impact of weight gain to heart health, the impact of alcohol to organs, all in all we'll end up with a higher death toll than if we had just continued status quo and let herd immunity run the course.  Instead the world stifled businesses and ruined families by imposing lockdowns and mandatory requirements.  We would have had a higher elderly death toll, instead will have a higher death toll throughout the age groups.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 16, 2021, 02:46:47 pm
Bill Maher argues that people should fight the coronavirus by strengthening their immune systems, rather than by sanitizing the universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28I5WyLp15o




Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Lazio on April 16, 2021, 04:48:47 pm
Look the graph; thereís been a massive decline:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/03/24/covid-live-updates.html



If you checked a graph that was actually up to date, you could see that the numbers now and two months ago are the same.

The vaccines had not much to do with that decline. The first doses were administered in mid. Dec.
By Jan. 13th, there were 10 million doses given. That is 3% of the population.
Most, if not all of these were the first doses, therefore didn't provide the desired protection that time. Also, it takes 7-10 days from receiving the vaccine untill your immune system is prepared to fight the virus.

The number of daily cases started to decline exactly around this time (Jan 10th or so).

So thinking that because 3% of the population got one shot, the cases immediately started to decline is rather silly. 

Like I said, there were ups and downs in most countries when there was no vaccine whatsoever. Korea went from 800 cases to single digits without vaccines.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 16, 2021, 05:51:17 pm
In other countries ( Israel, the UK) the vaccination shows good results. No matter what graphs you want to look at from 6 months or a year ago, in the USA it's not showing yet.

There's been a huge decline in American coronavirus deaths. Check out this graph. It's clear as day.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-deaths-united-states-each-day-2020-n1177936

Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 16, 2021, 05:55:57 pm
Most, if not all of these were the first doses, therefore didn't provide the desired protection that time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REnJBfJx17A

"The first dose is already incredibly effective."
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Lazio on April 16, 2021, 06:33:55 pm
There's been a huge decline in American coronavirus deaths. Check out this graph. It's clear as day.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-deaths-united-states-each-day-2020-n1177936

The number of new cases dropped to a third of what they were, so naturally the number of deaths also went down. This doesn't support your case. Proportionally, the deaths went down somewhat but still very high considering the vaccination rate. 
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: Lazio on April 16, 2021, 06:36:33 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REnJBfJx17A

"The first dose is already incredibly effective."

So incredible that if one person gets a shot then suddenly their entire nuclear family is protected? 

Even if 3% was fully immune, that is very far from enough to stop the spread of the virus. It is very obvious that the January decrease was going to happen with or without the vaccines. 

Perhaps the numbers wouldn't have gone down this much without vaccines and perhaps it wouldn't have stayed lower for this long. But you give waaaay too much credit to that 3%.
Title: Re: Did we just give up on corona prevention - social distancing?
Post by: L I on April 17, 2021, 12:18:34 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3gy_CLXho

Bill calls on the medical establishment, media, and politicians to cut the spin and stick to the facts about public health threats.