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Title: Texas is the new California.
Post by: hangook77 on March 24, 2021, 11:27:01 pm
Texas is a business friendly climate.  Cheap living cost with low taxes and less government regulation.  Good state to go home to if you are American. 

https://youtu.be/dpHRFr3rk6E
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: JNM on March 25, 2021, 12:00:42 am
My brother lives there. He moved there from Oakland.

He likes it.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: Chinguetti on March 25, 2021, 07:38:18 am
Yeah, lots of people leaving California to retire in Texas due to the lower taxes, stable housing market, and strong private property protection laws.

But they're driving up the property costs in a lot of cities and crowding cities like Austin faster than those cities can keep up with the growth, so not a lot of Texans are happy about that, lol.

The commute to Austin, for example, especially in the mornings, has gotten really bad over the last past decade. Let's say it would normally take 30 minutes to drive there from a set point. When I was younger, it would take you at least 2 hours if you were commuting in the morning. People are now reporting that it takes anywhere between 3-5 hours, depending on what's going on.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: OnNut81 on March 25, 2021, 07:51:57 am
Have a good friend here who was from Texas, and met a bunch of others from there.  Good people, for the most part.  The one issue, I had was that they were like the Canadians of the U.S.  They always brought up the fact that they were from Texas at the drop of a 10 gallon hat.  One group even had a relative back home send them name tags with "Don't mess with Texas" on them.  Absolutely cringe inducing.  Getting stuck on a night out with a Texan and an insecure Canadian was the worst.  Had a girlfriend in high school whose family moved to Austin from Toronto.  Some relative gave her older brother a shirt that summed up things perfectly.  It had "Texas is big" on the front and on the back "But, Ontario is bigger."   
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: fka on March 25, 2021, 08:29:01 am
^ Completely agree with that last comment. I've liked many Texans that I've met. I'd like even more if they dropped the assumption that being from Texas made them special. This gets even more complicated with Austin people, because they sometimes play the "I'm from Texas, but it's not what you think!" card a bit heavily. Because it's the capital city you're still constantly blasted with Texas iconography at every turn, however.

Texas has been very successful at marketing themselves as a business-friendly alternative to California, and it's undoubtedly true in some respects, but like many things Texan a lot of it is overblown. The state can afford to provide a "low tax environment" for some businesses because taxes on oil and gas extraction make up the shortfall. Property taxes are among the highest in the country, which is a serious issue in cities like Austin. The housing costs there are often blamed on an influx of Californians but of course people move from other states and normal population growth isn't an insignificant factor. So tax savings for income could be cancelled or at least dented by the excess you pay in property taxes, if you own a home. There was an interesting case a few years ago when a working-class family from Houston won a new Austin house in an annual Home and Garden TV competition, planned to move in, then realized they couldn't afford the property taxes, which were close to $2,000 per month. Obviously this is less true if you live somewhere like McAllen... but that's not really where the jobs and people are.

Finally, the whole California exodus thing is generally exaggerated in an attempt to bolster the whole red state / blue state rhetoric. Out-migration from California isn't a new phenomenon. The attempt to capitalize on it for partisan purposes is the major novelty here. 

(https://lao.ca.gov/Blog/Media/Image/957)

Texas is a popular destination for Californians, but so are blue states like Oregon and Washington. And there is net migration to California from states like red and purple states like Ohio, Alabama, Wisconsin and Florida
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: fka on March 25, 2021, 08:35:00 am
I realize that chart in my previous post is a bit out of date, but the most recent stuff I could find put current rates at similar around 600,000 out for the last few years, with net losses in the 150-200k range, so probably similar to the 2003-2006 numbers.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: Chinguetti on March 25, 2021, 08:57:29 am
Austin's property values and taxes have been fairly out-of-control for a long time, in part because of everyone wanting to move there. And yes, they come from all over, but as far as I've been told by numerous people, the ones doing the most damage are coming from California. They're the ones with all the money. But the damage isn't so much to larger cities like Austin as it is to smaller ones like New Braunfels. I have friends who live there who were basically forced out of their homes because of Californian retirees swooping in buying up large plots of land and raising the property values to a point that they can no longer afford it.

Austin is a different kind of monster. It's a music hub, SXSW is held there, and a shit-ton of rich folk have moved in and basically gentrified large chunks of the city. Police there is one of the highest paid in the entire nation, and the city overall has a very low rate of murder (high suicide and burglary, though). I have an old coworker there who has a modest house that she built back before property costs skyrocketed, in a very ideal location in the middle of the city. While this doesn't save her from the high taxes, she's basically able to make a shit-ton of money by renting out her spare bedroom and even her backyard to people during big events, especially during SXSW. We're talking big execs from really big music production companies coming from all over the world who're willing to camp out in a tent in her backyard so that they can be closer to the venues that they plan to visit while scouting for new talent. It basically pays for her property taxes every year.

I like Austin, but I could never live there, and I avoid it like the plague during big events. It's impossible to get around by car during those times.

Hardcore Austinites pride themselves on being "weird" and "different." I think it's even an unofficial motto: "Keep Austin Weird." It's part of the artsy aesthetic that Austin attracts, people who try to set themselves apart from everyone else. There are downsides to that, but there are a lot of upsides, too, and that's part of what attracts so many people there. Lots of interesting businesses and restaurants. So many different personalities. Pretty high chance of running into someone famous. OR someone who will become famous.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: hangook77 on March 25, 2021, 10:50:27 am
I heard Austin was a Yuppy leftist hub within Texas but the rest of the State was still conservative.  They had progressive overpriced policies?  I had heard Dallas and Houston still had lower housing prices compared to California due to less red tape. 

But if California transplants start voting the same way they did in California, they'll ruin it for their kids and turn it into another crazy California.  Hopefully, they'll be smart enough to not let history repeat itself.  But anyone younger now looking to move for a job should avoid the coasts due to bs rents.  A better deal may be found in some part of Texas with more companies?
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: Chinguetti on March 25, 2021, 12:08:10 pm
Yes, Austin is a fairly liberal city in Texas, but it has conservative roots, and that still shows. Lots of good people there regardless of which way they swing, though.

As for the rest of Texas, yes, it's conservative, but some areas are more or less conservative than others, and most of Texas is nowhere near as conservative as many people believe. It's actually very specifically three counties that kind of jump some of the more ultra conservative numbers way up (you can see this in the number of executions that have been conducted in Texas -- the vast majority have been done in these three counties). If you were to be pulled over for speeding, for example, you might have a good chance of getting let off with a warning, depending on the officer and on how much you were speeding. If you get pulled over in one of those three counties, though, you're guaranteed to get that ticket. It's going to happen.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: plan b on March 25, 2021, 01:41:03 pm
Unfortunately, people from California are also bringing in their politics to Texas.
They moved from California because they didn't like the insane Democrat policies, but continue to vote Democrat once they have gotten there.

Since Joe Biden has also rolled out the red carpet for illegals.....Texas may well be on its way to becoming a failed state

Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on March 25, 2021, 01:46:07 pm
If the Hispanic swing to the GOP continues, then Texas will stay red. It will look a lot different, but it will stay red for a few more cycles.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on March 25, 2021, 01:48:35 pm
I heard Austin was a Yuppy leftist hub within Texas but the rest of the State was still conservative.  They had progressive overpriced policies?  I had heard Dallas and Houston still had lower housing prices compared to California due to less red tape. 

But if California transplants start voting the same way they did in California, they'll ruin it for their kids and turn it into another crazy California.  Hopefully, they'll be smart enough to not let history repeat itself.  But anyone younger now looking to move for a job should avoid the coasts due to bs rents.  A better deal may be found in some part of Texas with more companies?
I wish somehow we could somehow convince all the woke and lefties to go off and form their own country. Give them a nice-sized one too with decent resources and such. Then sit back and watch them all eff it up with insane woke laws and them fracturing into tribes as their rainbow coalition dissolves into factions that have little in common with each other. And the realities of practical work and getting things down run smack dab into their ideals.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: hangook77 on March 25, 2021, 01:59:59 pm
If the Hispanic swing to the GOP continues, then Texas will stay red. It will look a lot different, but it will stay red for a few more cycles.

Well, Texas and Florida where voting is not manipulated so far.  Everyone has to show an ID and prove who they are I do believe.  Hence the GOP surge which may have happened elsewhere too.  Who knows? 
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: Kyndo on March 25, 2021, 02:07:09 pm
I wish somehow we could somehow convince all the woke and lefties to go off and form their own country. Give them a nice-sized one too with decent resources and such. Then sit back and watch them all eff it up with insane woke laws and them fracturing into tribes as their rainbow coalition dissolves into factions that have little in common with each other. And the realities of practical work and getting things down run smack dab into their ideals.
Already happened, sort of. Look up the history of Liberia.   :sad:

Of course, that wasn't really setting up a bunch of Americans with their own country - it was more like dumping them off on a beach and letting them figure it out, so it probably doesn't translate well as an analogy....
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: tylerthegloob on March 25, 2021, 02:42:21 pm
nonono let a bunch of real ayn rand types (right-libertarian hoo-rah capitalism folk) set up a community and see what happens. call it uhhhh "galt's gulch" and give them a bunch of land in south america. oh yeah they tried it in chile! one of the founders conned the shit out of the others and all of the investors. the whole project went to shit for what? just so they could realize that they needed the governments to regulate their economic activity after all.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: JNM on March 25, 2021, 02:46:47 pm
nonono let a bunch of real ayn rand types (right-libertarian hoo-rah capitalism folk) set up a community and see what happens. call it uhhhh "galt's gulch" and give them a bunch of land in south america. oh yeah they tried it in chile! one of the founders conned the shit out of the others and all of the investors. the whole project went to shit for what? just so they could realize that they needed the governments to regulate their economic activity after all.

Of course he did!


He was only acting in self interest!
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on March 25, 2021, 03:01:31 pm
nonono let a bunch of real ayn rand types (right-libertarian hoo-rah capitalism folk) set up a community and see what happens. call it uhhhh "galt's gulch" and give them a bunch of land in south america. oh yeah they tried it in chile! one of the founders conned the shit out of the others and all of the investors. the whole project went to shit for what? just so they could realize that they needed the governments to regulate their economic activity after all.
Would the Dutch East India Company and its rise and hideous fall count?

Randians are the worst.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: tylerthegloob on March 25, 2021, 03:06:45 pm
nah they didnt have to eat where they shat as much (afaik)
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: plan b on March 25, 2021, 03:09:12 pm
If the Hispanic swing to the GOP continues, then Texas will stay red. It will look a lot different, but it will stay red for a few more cycles.

Mexicans will vote for Biden...its a big problem. That's why Biden is trying to flood the country with them.

Get out your your Rosetta Stone and start learning Spanish...
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: tylerthegloob on March 25, 2021, 03:15:13 pm
ah yes that SIGNIFICANT voting block... illegal immigrants! if i was an illegal immigrant i would definitely try to vote. but i'll assume you're talking about US citizens? in which case... yes i hope they vote however they want:)
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: 745sticky on March 25, 2021, 03:27:07 pm
Mexicans will vote for Biden...its a big problem. That's why Biden is trying to flood the country with them.

Get out your your Rosetta Stone and start learning Spanish...

I'm from down south, they've been teaching us Spanish since grade school anyways
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: plan b on March 25, 2021, 03:30:53 pm
ah yes that SIGNIFICANT voting block... illegal immigrants! if i was an illegal immigrant i would definitely try to vote. but i'll assume you're talking about US citizens? in which case... yes i hope they vote however they want:)

Democrats will put them on the fast track towards receiving all types of benefits....at the expense of hard working American citizens...
Put the Korean book down and start learning Spanish now.
Entiendes??
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on March 25, 2021, 04:05:14 pm
Mexicans will vote for Biden...its a big problem. That's why Biden is trying to flood the country with them.

Get out your your Rosetta Stone and start learning Spanish...
That plan may end up backfiring on the Dems. There was a massive shift towards Republicans amongst Hispanics. if this continues, then you could see things completely pretzel themselves in both parties in 10-20 years (or less).

I mean, it would be pretty hilarious (sad) to watch the left turn so hard on Latinos if they started to vote GOP and were pro 2A, anti-abortion, and embraced a machismo style of politics that Trump first started.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: MayorHaggar on March 25, 2021, 05:10:42 pm
I always get all my information about American states from Canadian incel conspiracy theorists.

ANYHOO...

(https://townsquare.media/site/34/files/2021/02/Screen-Shot-2021-02-17-at-12.12.18-PM.jpg)

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/02/20/us/20storm-electricbill3/merlin_184042782_6904dfc5-783d-4399-a4fa-c4292bb1b7d2-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg)
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: fka on March 25, 2021, 08:45:20 pm
Democrats will put them on the fast track towards receiving all types of benefits....at the expense of hard working American citizens...
Put the Korean book down and start learning Spanish now.
Entiendes??

You should make a donation to Texas RioGrande Legal Aid and stick it to the liberals. Take that, Biden!

°”rale!
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: VanIslander on March 26, 2021, 12:46:27 am
Alberta is the new B.C.?

Germany is the new France?

Absurd on the face of it.

Apples and oranges. Tofu and beef.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: KimDuHan on March 26, 2021, 01:04:48 am
Texas will turn blue and become a second California then Florida.

California might split into two states in the next 20 or so years then it will be the red north and blue south. The USA needs a revolution, itís funny how the democrats have become more authoritarian and your with us or against us. I know moderate Democrats that have become shunned for religious views and not hating guns outright.  Democrats donít like diversity and free speech, Republicans too.

A central party is needed so bad in the USA!!
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: VanIslander on March 26, 2021, 05:30:23 am
C'mon guys.

CUT OUT the personal insults.

Attack the position (idea), not the person (poster).
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: tylerthegloob on March 26, 2021, 07:32:09 am
A central party is needed so bad in the USA!!
yeah imagine the presidential debates with people like bernie or trump (who get people excited for better or worse, in that order) and then throw jeb bush in the middle  :laugh:
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: Kyndo on March 26, 2021, 07:34:53 am
A central party is needed so bad in the USA!!
Would solve a lot problems. Currently, with only 2 real options, it's very easy for parties to manipulate their voter bases: "Don't like abortions? Then you have to vote for us! Too bad if you're pro gun control, or want better National Park protection..."
A centrist party would go a very long way towards getting rid of the *extremely* stupid "Team Red" or "Team Blue" mentality. With a third party, you can hate one team without then being required to love the other.

Honestly, the 2 party system is only marginally better than the one party system.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: Mr C on March 26, 2021, 08:04:12 am

A central party is needed so bad in the USA!!

Frankly, the Democrats are the center party.  As the right has drifted so far right they've fallen off the edge of the world, they've dragged the Dems right with them.

What's needed is a proper leftist party.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: hangook77 on March 26, 2021, 08:14:51 am
Frankly, the Democrats are the center party.  As the right has drifted so far right they've fallen off the edge of the world, they've dragged the Dems right with them.

What's needed is a proper leftist party.

The Dems have become Marxist far leftists with lots of crazies.  They have moved what use to be the center to the left and changed the goalposts.  What use to be a centrist 20 years ago is now a right winger by simply staying in the same place and not moving with the new goalposts.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: tylerthegloob on March 26, 2021, 08:21:26 am
and the crux of the matter reveals itself!
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: caitlinn on March 26, 2021, 09:46:07 am
ah yes marxism-leninism-bidenism
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: Kyndo on March 26, 2021, 11:17:05 am
ah yes marxism-leninism-bidenism

(https://i.imgur.com/tbytkYy.jpg)
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: hangook77 on March 26, 2021, 11:31:02 am
(https://i.imgur.com/tbytkYy.jpg)

Who has he surrounded himself with again?  Where does he get the bulk of his support?  Who works in his administration at lower and mid levels again?  What woke pc ideologies do they have again?  What is being implemented through stealth?  What woke nonsense is being pushed?  Even Biden doesn't know what he's signing when those "executive orders" are put in front of him. 

I mean transgender women being allowed to kick real women out of sports?  Yeah, that's a real priority.  That was a far left policy position years ago and has been moved with the goal posts.  So much for natural born women ever winning another sport again no matter how hard they work for it.  They will lose every time.  But political correctness must be appeased.  Biden's priorities.  New religious discrimination and anti free speech bills working their ways through congress.  Biden will sign.  So, yeah he is the puppet of the Marxists and the squad.  In his senility and confusion, he does what's he's told.  His leftist media buddies will defend him and give him cover no matter what.

China makes you their bitch in an Alaska meeting?  No worries, media will cover for you and help you play it down. 
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: Kyndo on March 26, 2021, 11:38:01 am
woke... pc ... transgender...polit ical...Marxists... will ...make... you their bitch in an Alaska meeting...  No worries, media will cover for you and help you play it down. 

Woah!
*puts hands up*
Don't point that comment at me !

I was just providing amusing imagery for Caitlinn's comment!  :shocked:




Also, please don't ascribe partisanship to me: if I had ever been allowed to legally vote, I'd have voted independent!
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on March 26, 2021, 12:22:14 pm
Frankly, the Democrats are the center party.  As the right has drifted so far right they've fallen off the edge of the world, they've dragged the Dems right with them.

What's needed is a proper leftist party.
In terms of most policy, you are right.

The problem is the Dems embrace of wokeism/SJWism and its leaking into the policy sphere, much like the GOP did in the 90s with social conservatism and Moral Majority crap.

As long as both parties seem to be driven by their rabid social base, it will take people voting out the ruling party every 1-2 terms and supporting split government to contain them. If Trump had won a 2nd term with GOP majorities, it very likely would have required a sweeping victory to a chastised Democratic party to counter them.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: hangook77 on March 26, 2021, 12:32:10 pm
Woah!
*puts hands up*
Don't point that comment at me !

I was just providing amusing imagery for Caitlinn's comment!  :shocked:




Also, please don't ascribe partisanship to me: if I had ever been allowed to legally vote, I'd have voted independent!

You spliced my words together and put them out of context.  Great job.  I think there may be a job back home for you working for CNN.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on March 26, 2021, 12:36:44 pm
The problem isn't necessarily the structure. The problem is the mentality, and it might not be correctable given our species genetic nature and cognitive limitations.

But I think this could be helped by both parties acknowledging that partisan solutions from their party are not always right at every point in time in every situation in every location.

The most realistic solution is probably substantially increased federalism. While federalism vs. centrality used to have supporters in both parties on either side, it has lost that balance and that is not a good thing.
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: gogators! on March 28, 2021, 01:05:16 am
Frankly, the Democrats are the center party.  As the right has drifted so far right they've fallen off the edge of the world, they've dragged the Dems right with them.

What's needed is a proper leftist party.
Correct!
Title: Re: Texas is the new California.
Post by: gogators! on March 29, 2021, 10:21:14 pm
Buffet's trying to take advantage of Texas's power grid woes. All he wants is a 9.3% return on his money.