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Title: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Zek on January 25, 2021, 01:04:41 pm
Currently there is a bill in the Korean National Assembly proposing to make the Covid vaccines mandatory for all adults.

https://pal.assembly.go.kr/law/readView.do?lgsltpaId=PRC_C2D1G0D1W1R9V1Y1K2Z6B2K9Z9K0A4

Dr.  Sucharit Bhakdi, a famous Thai-German microbiologist has explained in interviews that these vaccines will cause autoimmue problems. Also, Dr. Micheal Yeadon, who is a former Vice President of Pfizer, has created a petition to stop the use of mRNA vaccines, citing the possiblity of the vaccine triggering ADE (antibody dependent enhancement) and autoimmune issues.

Dr.  Sucharit Bhakdi interview.
youtube.com/watch?v=6k6ipXD3eMM

Please discuss this situation with Korean friends, spouses, family members, and other expats, if you have not already.
I am not against all vaccines. But, forced injections are a violation of basic rights, and in this case there is scientific evidence that the mRNA vaccines are more dangerous than the virus itself.

Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: SPQR on January 25, 2021, 03:55:44 pm
Currently there is a bill in the Korean National Assembly proposing to make the Covid vaccines mandatory for all adults.

https://pal.assembly.go.kr/law/readView.do?lgsltpaId=PRC_C2D1G0D1W1R9V1Y1K2Z6B2K9Z9K0A4

Dr.  Sucharit Bhakdi, a famous Thai-German microbiologist has explained in interviews that these vaccines will cause autoimmue problems. Also, Dr. Micheal Yeadon, who is a former Vice President of Pfizer, has created a petition to stop the use of mRNA vaccines, citing the possiblity of the vaccine triggering ADE (antibody dependent enhancement) and autoimmune issues.

Dr.  Sucharit Bhakdi interview.
youtube.com/watch?v=6k6ipXD3eMM

Please discuss this situation with Korean friends, spouses, family members, and other expats, if you have not already.
I am not against all vaccines. But, forced injections are a violation of basic rights, and in this case there is scientific evidence that the mRNA vaccines are more dangerous than the virus itself.



Garbage! Everyone should get vaccinated. It is your civic duty.

Moreover, if you EVER want to travel again, you will need
a vaccine passport.

Also, I won't discus this with anybody.  It is QAnon bullshit.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Kyndo on January 26, 2021, 08:27:08 am
Anti-vaxxers, flat earthers, chem-trailers, climate change deniers, etc all give Westerners such a bad rep.   :sad:

Also the issue some research papers have pointed out concerning mRNA based vaccines is that they contain polyethylene glycol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethylene_glycol) (a very common additive to medications, cosmetics and processed food), which has been shown to occasionally cause an immune response .
However, that self-same research (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27271335/) also indicated that: "We confirm that some healthy individuals and some patients with hemophilia express specific antibodies against PEG which are not associated with any pathology and do not bind to human tissues." So it's not a huge concern at this point in time.

Also also, Michael Yeadon is the same guy who said there wouldn't be any need for vaccines as the pendemic was "essentially over" back in October 2020. Turned out to be not quite true, unfortunately. :sad:
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: stoat on January 26, 2021, 08:51:30 am
Anti-vaxxers, flat earthers, chem-trailers, climate change deniers, etc all give Westerners such a bad rep.   :sad:


I disagree. I think it shows how free our society is that these people are (just about) still allowed to voice their opinions, even if they go against the consensus.  It's something to be valued.  A lack of any opposition makes governments lazy and authoritarian
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Kyndo on January 26, 2021, 09:44:00 am
I agree, but can't we just disagree about subjective stuff like politics, religion, ethics, and economics?
Disagreeing with science more or less proven beyond a shadow of a doubt over 2000 years ago (ie that the world is spherical) is definitely causing all the other cultures to laugh up their sleeves at us.  :-[
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: OnNut81 on January 26, 2021, 10:45:11 am
I agree, but can't we just disagree about subjective stuff like politics, religion, ethics, and economics?
Disagreeing with science more or less proven beyond a shadow of a doubt over 2000 years ago (ie that the world is spherical) is definitely causing all the other cultures to laugh up their sleeves at us.  :-[

I don’t think your average thinking individual from across the globe thinks flat earthers are representative of the west. I mean, pretty much every Thai person from every class firmly believes in ghosts.  How much time do people spend laughing at them?  Your overestimating how much people give a thought to the fringe groups of North America when they all have their own shit going on.

With a seafood allergy I’m in no hurry to get vaccinated until more information is available. 
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: stoat on January 26, 2021, 11:08:51 am
I can't actually ever recall seeing or reading an interview with a flat earther in the media, do they ever appear in the US? I've seen lots more people talking about how they believe in ghosts/fortune telling/astrology etc.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Kyndo on January 26, 2021, 12:47:22 pm
I can't actually ever recall seeing or reading an interview with a flat earther in the media, do they ever appear in the US? I've seen lots more people talking about how they believe in ghosts/fortune telling/astrology etc.
I know 2 university teachers in my town who are flat earthers - one of them has even published an 'educational' children's book on the topic. Not surprisingly, they're also very firm believers in the various Soros / Gates conspiracies, and outspoken anti-vaxxers. In for a penny, in for a pound, I guess?

I don’t think your average thinking individual from across the globe thinks flat earthers are representative of the west. I mean, pretty much every Thai person from every class firmly believes in ghosts.  How much time do people spend laughing at them?
I think that belief based on cultural traditions, and beliefs based on willful ignorance are two very different things. And the way those beliefs are expressed are also a bit different: I don't think that too many of those Thai people actively proselytize their belief in ghosts (I may be wrong -- I don't have any Thai acquaintances), while the same is definitely not true for flat-earthers.
 
You're overestimating how much people give a thought to the fringe groups of North America when they all have their own shit going on.
I'm probably projecting my own embarrassment, true. But I invite you to explain to a Korean coworker about why achieving herd immunity may be impossible in North America because around 20% of the population believes that vaccines (I'm being conservative here: this is the percentage who think this of the measles vaccine. The numbers for the Covid vaccine are even worse) are inherently bad. Mine were pretty incredulous.

 
With a seafood allergy I’m in no hurry to get vaccinated until more information is available.
Apples and oranges. You have valid reservations due to a well documented complication. The people I'm thinking of are those with a deep distrust the fundamental science behind vaccines and/or mistrust the motives of those who are make them.


Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Mr C on January 26, 2021, 01:04:00 pm
I can't actually ever recall seeing or reading an interview with a flat earther in the media,

Censorship, supression and cancel culture gone mad!
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 26, 2021, 01:10:25 pm
I think most flat-earthers are being contrarian/trolling/in it for the fame/enjoying the lifestyle/etc.

The people who go after flat-earthers sound suspiciously like the people who go up to smokers and say "Don't you know smoking causes cancer?!" As though the person has been hiding under a rock for the last 50 years. Or the people that see someone watching WWE and go "Don't you know pro-wrestling is fake?!" No, I genuinely thought Vince McMahon was killed in a limousine explosion and for some reason this went unreported by all the major news outlets.

Granted, I'm sure there are some genuine believers, but I'd be cautious about leaping to conclusions as to how firm their beliefs actually are.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Kyndo on January 26, 2021, 01:16:18 pm
I agree that some of them are probably trolling, but I know from first hand experience that a good percentage of them truly do believe very deeply in it.
Something I've noticed is that it's really hard to go only half-way when it comes to conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: SPQR on January 26, 2021, 01:16:46 pm
Censorship, supression and cancel culture gone mad!

I think "flat Earthers" should be able to believe in what they want. However
maybe they should be protected from themselves in hospitals or some
other form of care facility.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 26, 2021, 01:41:30 pm
I agree that some of them are probably trolling, but I know from first hand experience that a good percentage of them truly do believe very deeply in it.
Something I've noticed is that it's really hard to go only half-way when it comes to conspiracy theories.
How involved are they in the community? How much interaction, be it online or in-person are they getting from it? If they're getting some kind of social interaction, then even if they proclaim it firmly, there's still an element of "this isn't really about believing the Earth is flat"

Many of these types are generally lonely to begin with and this is the way for them to find a community or to interact, some even are respected or validated on the respective forums they frequent. I'd say their motivation is much more social.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Kyndo on January 26, 2021, 01:56:20 pm
Mr DeMartino, please believe me when I say that the people I personally know who are flat-earthers *do* actually firmly believe that the world is flat.
I've discussed the topics with them numerous times.
It really is fascinating. You'd have a field day dissecting all the various fallacies involved in their explanations. I know I did, and I dial it wayyy back because we're all part of the same local community and I don't need any more enemies lol.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 26, 2021, 02:06:26 pm
Well actually, THE WORLD IS SQUARE.

I know, I've seen it from my airship.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Kyndo on January 26, 2021, 02:11:04 pm
Airships are a lie created by the Illuminati to deflect attention away from jet planes and their chemtrails.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: OnNut81 on January 26, 2021, 02:28:46 pm

 Apples and oranges. You have valid reservations due to a well documented complication. The people I'm thinking of are those with a deep distrust the fundamental science behind vaccines and/or mistrust the motives of those who are make them.


Exactly. Which is why it was written as an addendum in a separate paragraph. It was an additional perspective on the thread topic regarding vaccine safety and mandatory vaccinations.

 I’m not sure that Thai society proselytizes believing in ghosts, but since I’ve never met a Thai without a ghost story there is not much need. The belief is there. 
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Kyndo on January 26, 2021, 08:09:36 pm
Exactly. Which is why it was written as an addendum in a separate paragraph. It was an additional perspective on the thread topic regarding vaccine safety and mandatory vaccinations.

 I’m not sure that Thai society proselytizes believing in ghosts, but since I’ve never met a Thai without a ghost story there is not much need. The belief is there. 
That's pretty interesting. I think that most SE cultures low key believe in ghosts of some sort.
When I was living in Taiwan, I know that traditions involving ghosts was pretty mainstream -- or at least, mainstream in the same way that 2nd or 3rd generation Catholics still observe a lot of the Catholic traditions without actually being religious, Flaming barrels of fake money in every stairwell!  :shocked:
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Mr C on January 26, 2021, 09:31:40 pm
Theravada Buddhism, the variety you see in Thailand, is precipitated on the idea of successive reincarnations until you hopefully move upward and upward until you can reach the state of Nirvana.  The Thai I have known don't talk so much about ghosts but that that cat crossing the street may be their grandfather, so they have to swerve the tuk-tuk and spill my damn Leo.

Many Koreans still believe in fan death.  Including some doctors.

Millions of Americans believe that the US is ruled by a cabal (no, they don't know that word for it) of hundreds of CANNIBAL child molesters.  And Donald Trump was sent by Gahd to round them all up and put them in jail/execute them.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Adel on January 27, 2021, 10:21:34 am
It would appear that the mainstreaming of craziness may well be the most enduring legacy of Trumpism.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: VanIslander on January 28, 2021, 01:39:09 pm
Scientists widely claim the likelihood of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.

The odds that life ONLY developed on this one planet in the billions of galaxies is absurd (unless you take a religious view).

Now, thinking other intelligent life forms found their way to earth and are hiding from us is... like lizard talk.

As for vaccines, the safety of ones developed decades ago has nothing to do with the RISKS/safety of a rushed vaccine by competing pharmaceutical companies under time pressure to rush to market a product worth billions of dollars in sales to governments. The SHORT-TERM side effects may have been assessed, but the LONG-TERM effects haven't.

 A product that didn't exist six months ago is NOT being injected into my bloodstream.

I will wait one year at least and see what subsequent studies show in terms of efficacy and effects.

In the meantime, get into the sunshine more often. The link between VITAMIN D and COVID-19 recovery rates is strengthening. Google it.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: raycar on February 24, 2021, 07:12:54 am
yep
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Kyndo on February 24, 2021, 08:16:42 am
    It's often because the people pushing conspiracy theories either don't understand the science behind something, or because they deliberately misconstrue it to push their own agendas.
    A big problem with things like vaccines is that the science behind them is very complicated. People who don't specialize in that particular field don't want complicated: they want information that they can easily parse, which is occasionally just not possible.
 
   An additional problem is that often scientific results become politicized. The vast majority of people who specialize in the field will all agree that anthropogenic climate change is a very real phenomenon. This has been a pretty uncontroversial scientific consensus for decades. However, governments (and industries with considerable lobbying power) didn't like this, as it would put pressure on them to actually do something about the situation, which would negatively affect their economic or political bottom line. A lot of money and influence was poured into manufacturing doubt and the result is the idiocy we still see today.
   
  Skepticism is healthy, and absolutely necessary to the scientific process, but when the skeptics are peddling their theories via youtube, blogs, and tabloids, one needs to be skeptical of the skeptics.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 24, 2021, 04:00:09 pm
In a reasonable world, no one would have a problem with the measles vaccine but would understand why people are leery of a vaccine hastily developed by the same people who have given us various failed medications such as Vioxx.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: L I on February 24, 2021, 05:43:53 pm
The vaccines work,

https://www.ft.com/content/20576254-422b-4545-91ab-20b4d005bbf3

As the percentage of Americans vaccinated has been growing, the number of new COVID infections there has been falling.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: VanIslander on February 24, 2021, 06:14:15 pm
The vaccines work,

https://www.ft.com/content/20576254-422b-4545-91ab-20b4d005bbf3

As the percentage of Americans vaccinated has been growing, the number of new COVID infections there has been falling.
NEWSFLASH: Correlation is now causation!
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 24, 2021, 07:18:38 pm
The vaccines work,

https://www.ft.com/content/20576254-422b-4545-91ab-20b4d005bbf3

As the percentage of Americans vaccinated has been growing, the number of new COVID infections there has been falling.
And your explanation for infections falling in Korea, which hasn't had the same number of vaccinations, is...?

I mean, I don't doubt that the vaccines work or that they have contributed, but this is bad data interpretation.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: raycar on February 24, 2021, 07:46:37 pm
ok




Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: L I on February 25, 2021, 07:19:44 am
Big payouts each time = a rare event. Not common at all.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: L I on February 25, 2021, 08:53:28 am
Correlation is now causation!

Correlation is now causation?

I agree!
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: L I on February 25, 2021, 09:23:00 am
And your explanation for infections falling in Korea, which hasn't had the same number of vaccinations, is...?

I mean, I don't doubt that the vaccines work or that they have contributed, but this is bad data interpretation.

In Korea:

New virus cases still rising

http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20210225000167

“the current virus situation is not improving”

(Korea has had zero vaccinations thus far. United States, over 65 million.)
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: VanIslander on February 25, 2021, 10:16:34 am
If A, then B.
Not B.
Therefore A.

LI, that ain't logic.
It's fallacious.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: tylerthegloob on February 25, 2021, 10:24:39 am
my mans messed up his modus tollens
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 25, 2021, 10:29:27 am
In Korea:

New virus cases still rising

http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20210225000167

“the current virus situation is not improving”

(Korea has had zero vaccinations thus far. United States, over 65 million.)

Quote
Thursday's daily caseload marks a slight drop from 440 posted the previous day. The figures hovered above 600 last week before falling below 500 over the weekend and under 400 earlier this week on fewer tests.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Lazio on February 25, 2021, 10:30:11 am
In Korea:

New virus cases still rising

http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20210225000167

“the current virus situation is not improving”

(Korea has had zero vaccinations thus far. United States, over 65 million.)

USA, late December daily new infections:  around 220.000. These days around 75.000. So roughly 34% of the cases compared to two months ago.

Korea, late December: 1000-1100.
Now around 400. So roughly 38% of the cases compared to 2 months ago.

34% vs. 38%
That is not a significant difference at all.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: L I on February 25, 2021, 10:53:03 am
Vaccinations undoubtedly reduced the number of infections. So did Korea’s ban on more than 5 people together nationwide and Seoul closing everything at 9. Korea has a lot more mask wearing than the U.S. Well, the United States is gonna be rid of the coronavirus long before Korea, and that’s because of the head start on vaccinations. Vaccinations do in fact work. Living with restrictions for years is tiresome.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 25, 2021, 11:43:12 am
Vaccinations undoubtedly reduced the number of infections. So did Korea’s ban on more than 5 people together nationwide and Seoul closing everything at 9. Korea has a lot more mask wearing than the U.S. Well, the United States is gonna be rid of the coronavirus long before Korea, and that’s because of the head start on vaccinations. Vaccinations do in fact work. Living with restrictions for years is tiresome.
No one is denying they do. What we are saying is that you can't simply declare the drop in cases to be because of vaccinations when there are drops in the same time period around the world, even in places there aren't vaccinations. You have to control for various factors and input more data to draw that conclusion.

I have no doubt that vaccines will show a substantial decrease in cases either for this period or in the future, but you didn't prove that and you relied on an abysmal interpretation of data to draw your conclusion.

It's the way you made your argument, not your argument itself. Try again and this time do a better job.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: L I on February 25, 2021, 01:37:07 pm
No one is denying they do.

There was an anti-vaxxer post (which has been deleted) denying vaccinations reduce infection. (That is what I responded to.)
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: hangook77 on February 25, 2021, 08:49:03 pm
I believe in vaccines, but these were developed quickly.  I would be curious to wait and see what the effects are and which one works best with minimal or no side effects. 
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: L I on February 26, 2021, 01:39:39 am
Millions of Israelis and millions of Americans already got the (American) vaccine. Virtually all had no side effects. No need to worry. No need to wait and see. It’ll be a long *** time before you’ll be able to get it in Korea anyways. By that time hundreds of millions of people around the world - maybe even a billion - will have gotten it.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: L I on February 26, 2021, 01:47:09 am
The first vaccine batch to come to Korea - the British version. It’s lower cost and less effective than the American versions - also easier to store because it doesn’t need to be kept as cold ... but it ain’t gonna hurt you either. Trials have been done.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: JNM on February 26, 2021, 03:07:40 am
Re: fast tracking of vaccine approvals

They have been tested (the Chinese one has some unknowns) as usual, but it is the “sitting in the in the queue for  months” part that was fast-tracked.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: AvecPommesFrites on February 26, 2021, 10:18:31 am
I doubt we'll get the vaccine before October. So no chance of a holiday until summer 2022 at the earliest if you wanna keep your job. I also think masks will be here to stay, especially in schools for at least the rest of our lives in SK.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: OnNut81 on February 26, 2021, 10:21:13 am
I doubt we'll get the vaccine before October. So no chance of a holiday until summer 2022 at the earliest if you wanna keep your job. I also think masks will be here to stay, especially in schools for at least the rest of our lives in SK.

That's the toughest medicine to take.  Another summer vacation spent in Korea. 
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: L I on February 26, 2021, 10:55:41 am
We’ll have to stay in Korea all of 2021 .... but winter vacation of 2022 maybe we’ll be allowed to go abroad. Big maybe. 50% chance?
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: OnNut81 on February 26, 2021, 11:40:47 am
We’ll have to stay in Korea all of 2021 .... but winter vacation of 2022 maybe we’ll be allowed to go abroad. Big maybe. 50% chance?

If we can't, and Europe and North America are open to travel I think I'll crack and have to split.  I'm already pissed at the the thought I'm going to be stuck here in the summer of '21.  I like it here, but I need to get out at least once a year.  I believe I only went one year without leaving the country if memory serves me right.  And that's in a total of about 15 years cumulatively. 
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: 745sticky on February 26, 2021, 02:47:28 pm
That's the toughest medicine to take.  Another summer vacation spent in Korea.
yeah,,, ow. and i havent even been here that long.
if we dont get to leave for winter break i might have to call it quits and move on to something else. probably wont, but the thought is nice
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: hangook77 on March 02, 2021, 08:07:49 am
Currently there is a bill in the Korean National Assembly proposing to make the Covid vaccines mandatory for all adults.

https://pal.assembly.go.kr/law/readView.do?lgsltpaId=PRC_C2D1G0D1W1R9V1Y1K2Z6B2K9Z9K0A4

Dr.  Sucharit Bhakdi, a famous Thai-German microbiologist has explained in interviews that these vaccines will cause autoimmue problems. Also, Dr. Micheal Yeadon, who is a former Vice President of Pfizer, has created a petition to stop the use of mRNA vaccines, citing the possiblity of the vaccine triggering ADE (antibody dependent enhancement) and autoimmune issues.

Dr.  Sucharit Bhakdi interview.
youtube.com/watch?v=6k6ipXD3eMM

Please discuss this situation with Korean friends, spouses, family members, and other expats, if you have not already.
I am not against all vaccines. But, forced injections are a violation of basic rights, and in this case there is scientific evidence that the mRNA vaccines are more dangerous than the virus itself.



A tolerance for fascism here isn't there? 


A lot of the vaccines due to lack of testing and fast runs have given some folks problems.  A friend who has read a lot about this and followed the issue more than me seems to be of the opinion the astrazeneca one is the best one to have.  Less reactions and such.  All I know is the first batch of vaccines will be that one and given to doctors and nurses. 



www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC8U5sKtlyM
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: hangook77 on March 02, 2021, 08:09:15 am
Re: fast tracking of vaccine approvals

They have been tested (the Chinese one has some unknowns) as usual, but it is the “sitting in the in the queue for  months” part that was fast-tracked.

I'm not taking a Chinese one. 
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: Kayos on March 02, 2021, 08:10:52 am
I'm not taking a Chinese one.

I have a Chinese friend who is still in China who is refusing to take the Chinese one too haha.
No one trusts it.
Title: Re: Vaccine Safety and Mandatory Vaccinations
Post by: hangook77 on March 02, 2021, 08:36:33 am
I have a Chinese friend who is still in China who is refusing to take the Chinese one too haha.
No one trusts it.

I'd be happy enough to teach there when Corona is gone in another year or two, but that doesn't mean I fully trust the place.  Ha ha.