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Title: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: OnNut81 on January 07, 2021, 09:45:50 am
I know, I know, I'm Canadian, too and I've dealt with a lot colder and a lot more snow for months on end for much of my life.  I have no doubt there are some Canadians out there today in cargo shorts praying people will come up and ask "Aren't you cold?" so they can stammer out the "C-c-c-old?  I'm f-f-f-from C-c-c-canada, this is n-n-n-nothing." However, I'm not in Canada now and haven't experienced a Canadian winter in 12 blessed years.  Minus 16 and feeling like minus 23 when I headed out to work this morning.  It's only warmed up to -15 now, high is -11.  That's pretty damn cold for the Seoul area in my experience.  Been at work for two hours with both heaters on in the class and I'm still chilly.  Sun is starting to hit my wing now so that'll make a difference. 

On a plus side it was really pretty out last night with all the snow.  I'd forgotten how bright it is at night when the ground is covered in snow.  But, I still hope it's all gone in a few days when the temperature is expected to go back up.  Do I wear boots or shoes?  Boots are better in the snow but shoes are better on the icy paths.  Pain in the ass that I generally don't have to deal with in this neck of the woods. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Lazio on January 07, 2021, 10:24:59 am
Drove home last night before the worst of the snow hit. Already saw a couple of accidents.
Traffic got a lot worse after that. Read some comments online how some people spent 2 hours, driving a 5km distance.
Went out after dinner with the family. It was great. The first proper snow in many years. I know, 10 cm or so isn't much but even this amount is rare recently especially when it doesn't melt even on busy roads.
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Post by: thunderlips on January 07, 2021, 10:30:11 am
I forgot how much I miss the snow, definitely moving to somewhere with 4 four seasons (with snow) back in the states.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Liechtenstein on January 07, 2021, 10:49:56 am
Yep, got down to +12 last night. One of the coldest nights on record. How I long for the whole global warming facade.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: shostager on January 07, 2021, 10:56:17 am
Teachers at my school didn't have to come in to work until an hour later than usual today, due to the weather. I found out when I sat down at my desk (having arrived at the usual time). Ah well, still got some work to do on camp anyway.

My main concern is if the roads get slippery - I have multiple hills to walk up on my way to work, and though I've wiped out only once, there haven't been many days with dangerous conditions like that. If the snow melts and refreezes...might have to get some of those hiking spikes(?) to strap to my boots.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: OnNut81 on January 07, 2021, 11:05:37 am
I made the choice to dig out my winter boots with thick treads.  Great for getting traction with loose snow but walking along the paths that get worn down and icy on the way home they'll be treacherous.  With the temperature this snow could be around for a few days.  Fun for kids, at least.  I'm not looking forward to my next maintenance bill considering how much I've used ondol this year.  Usually don't need it with the units around me cranking theirs up, but mine is even on right now while I'm at work.  I've gone entire winters without doing that. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: VanIslander on January 07, 2021, 11:07:31 am
It's -10 at 11am here. Forecasted -17 tonight.

I am from Canada. But from Vancouver Island. I never experienced such in my first 20 years of existence.

But uni and work in Alberta, Ontario and Manitoba has acclimatized me to -30 to -40 c PLUS wind chill. No joke.

Gloves, scarf, ski cap or the like, sweater or three layers is minimum.... though on an epic cold day in Winnipeg I wa all-decked-out except... i wore one pair of regular socks in a regular pair of dress shoes. I FROZE MY TOES TO THE POINT OF PAINFUL PURPLE.

Gawd. Even today, I wear thick socks or double up. I will never bear that pain again. Two hours from now I go to teach (3pm-4pm, 6pm-9:30pm hagwon hours). I will be all decked out in terms of warmth.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Liechtenstein on January 07, 2021, 02:45:28 pm
I've lived in Victoria, Calgary and Halifax and I found zero degrees in Victoria and Halifax way colder than -20 in Calgary where it's so dry you'd need a hydraulic press to make a snowball.

I love how the locals all talk about how they love the cold weather and would love to live in Canada. The other day it was 14C and my wife (who is one of the talkers) was in a full on parka with a fur lined hood.

How I would love to introduce them to a full-term Quebec City winter.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: OnNut81 on January 07, 2021, 02:58:09 pm
Forecast to be -18 when I head off to work tomorrow morning.  The highest it got here today was -12 briefly.  It all depends on what you acclimate yourself to.  I can't imagine enduring a Montreal winter again.  I went on vacation to Montreal a few summers back and I was amazed at how green things looked in the neighbourhood I had lived in for university.  I realised that as much as I loved my time living in downtown Montreal, by far the majority of time I spent there was early nightfall, cold and snow.  September had a few good hot weeks and early October was pleasant, then it was done and never let up again until May by which time I headed back up the 401 to Toronto. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: oglop on January 07, 2021, 03:08:17 pm
hope the little street cats i feed are okay! someone also threw away the new food bowls i specifically bought for them. kunt. no way it could have been a mistake
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 07, 2021, 04:52:31 pm
Feeding stray cats only exacerbates the problem of stray cats.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: SPQR on January 07, 2021, 05:36:20 pm
hope the little street cats i feed are okay! someone also threw away the new food bowls i specifically bought for them. kunt. no way it could have been a mistake

Some people are pricks to animals in this country. Usually
soju swilling, fag smoking dog meat eating ajoshis.

I saved an injured kitten in 1996. I built it a house from Styrofoam
and bought it some spam and milk. I came back in the morning and
it was still there. I brought it to the vet and he amputated its tail.
(Kids used to tie cats to trees by their tails and then stone them to
death.) I was going to bring it home only until it got better. It stayed
for twenty years. It used to follow me six blocks to school in the morning
and then return home and let itself in through an open window.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: stoat on January 07, 2021, 05:44:01 pm
Feeding stray cats only exacerbates the problem of stray cats.

Are there no rivers, are there no slaughter houses?
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Chinguetti on January 07, 2021, 06:03:25 pm
I love the cold. That's all I got to say about that.

hope the little street cats i feed are okay! someone also threw away the new food bowls i specifically bought for them. kunt. no way it could have been a mistake

Total kunt move. I feed one particular stray cat. She's very smart and not completely feral, I'm pretty sure she could transition from street cat to pet very smoothly. I'm trying to get her to trust me enough to take her home as a foster, and while I've made progress with her we're not quite there yet. I haven't seen a lot of her lately, though, nowhere near as much as before. My guess is she's hunkering down somewhere with other cats to help keep warm and isn't wandering out as far as she usually does.

The neighborhood street cats have been really good about keeping the rodent population down. I've seen some pretty big rats here and there, lol, but never on my own street.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: oglop on January 07, 2021, 06:51:20 pm
Feeding stray cats only exacerbates the problem of stray cats.
nice try

I love the cold. That's all I got to say about that.

Total kunt move. I feed one particular stray cat. She's very smart and not completely feral, I'm pretty sure she could transition from street cat to pet very smoothly. I'm trying to get her to trust me enough to take her home as a foster, and while I've made progress with her we're not quite there yet. I haven't seen a lot of her lately, though, nowhere near as much as before. My guess is she's hunkering down somewhere with other cats to help keep warm and isn't wandering out as far as she usually does.

The neighborhood street cats have been really good about keeping the rodent population down. I've seen some pretty big rats here and there, lol, but never on my own street.
yep, there's 2 i feed which are very friendly. one you could definitely make into a house cat. the other, maybe. but they hang out together so it's gotta be both or neither, i reckon. one cat was literally waiting outside the apartment for someone to come and feed her today. poor thing. well, if she can survive one night in the cold, i expect she'll be okay for the other nights, too. as i've already said, other people in our building feed them too, so they seem to do all right!
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Kayos on January 08, 2021, 08:16:31 am
I love the cold. That's all I got to say about that.

Total kunt move. I feed one particular stray cat. She's very smart and not completely feral, I'm pretty sure she could transition from street cat to pet very smoothly. I'm trying to get her to trust me enough to take her home as a foster, and while I've made progress with her we're not quite there yet. I haven't seen a lot of her lately, though, nowhere near as much as before. My guess is she's hunkering down somewhere with other cats to help keep warm and isn't wandering out as far as she usually does.

The neighborhood street cats have been really good about keeping the rodent population down. I've seen some pretty big rats here and there, lol, but never on my own street.

I do too!
I just need a way to keep my hands warm while gaming on my pc though. Yesterday my hands were so cold while playing games, I kept making lots of minor mistakes haha
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: CO2 on January 08, 2021, 08:25:29 am
This is by far the coldest I've experienced in my 8 years here.

Except that night in Pyeongchang in an open air stadium watching the dress rehearsal for the opening ceremony of the Olympics.

Jesus H Christ, that was numbingly cold.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Savant on January 08, 2021, 08:34:44 am
This is by far the coldest I've experienced in my 8 years here.

Except that night in Pyeongchang in an open air stadium watching the dress rehearsal for the opening ceremony of the Olympics.

Jesus H Christ, that was numbingly cold.

Took a glove off to try and wipe some of the dirt off my car windows and my hand felt numb within 5 seconds.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Kayos on January 08, 2021, 08:50:48 am
Took a glove off to try and wipe some of the dirt off my car windows and my hand felt numb within 5 seconds.

Last night, I was wearing full winter clothing with my good heater like an inch from me, at max heat, and was still shivering.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: VanIslander on January 08, 2021, 09:32:08 am
The air is cold but FRESH.

I breathe deeply the clean air. Ah....
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: OnNut81 on January 08, 2021, 10:17:19 am
Last night, I was wearing full winter clothing with my good heater like an inch from me, at max heat, and was still shivering.

This was in your home or car?
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Liechtenstein on January 08, 2021, 11:51:12 am
What are you guys paying for heat during the cold months on average? My oil bill was in the 150,000 Won a month area. But my apartment was always warm. I hung out in shorts and a T-shirt. I've never understood why some people cheap out and sit around in their place freezing, or sweating in the summer cuz they're too cheap to turn on the aircon.

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Post by: L I on January 08, 2021, 11:55:44 am
Not just a way to save money, but better for the environment and healthier (think ice baths and saunas).
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: CO2 on January 08, 2021, 11:57:07 am
Aircon in summer, Ondol at 20 in the winter. I can handle the cold but heat kills me instantly.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: 745sticky on January 08, 2021, 12:03:57 pm
I can handle the cold but heat kills me instantly.
Ditto. I can pile on the blankets but I can't tear off my skin.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: OnNut81 on January 08, 2021, 12:11:58 pm
I don't even have a/c.  It would be nice, and last year I inquired about installing it, but even with a used one it was a waste of money.  I was going to have to pay additional money because for some reason the rack to hold it outside my balcony was going to have to be installed by a cherry picker type thing.  I got used to falling asleep in Thai heat after just a cool shower, so there are only a few weeks here I would need it.  I do fine with a fan.  And seven showers a day. 

But, I hate sitting around in my home feeling I need to dress warmly.  I want to be able to curse Netflix and Amazon Prime for having so much sh*t programming while I'm sitting comfortably in a t-shirt and some lazy pants.  And I got my heating pad for my mattress so all I need is a light blanket. 

It's still a lot cheaper here, unless you're in the boonies maybe, to keep the a small apartment toasty.  Back home you can tell the difference between going to a home someone has bought as opposed to where someone is renting.  My brother rents an apartment with utilities included.  It can be the coldest winter day and you'll be comfortably sitting on the couch in boxers and a t-shirt.  Head out to my mom's previous house she owned and the thermostat was set firmly at 60 (F) and you wore a sweater inside the whole time. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Kayos on January 08, 2021, 12:34:16 pm
This was in your home or car?

My home.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Chinguetti on January 08, 2021, 12:34:49 pm
I never, ever turn on my ondol for two reasons: 1) It's difficult to regulate and gets my little one room uncomfortably warm AND humid very quickly, and 2) it causes condensation on my walls, which, when combined with the warmth, very rapidly leads to mold growth. Like we're talking overnight.

So my gas bill is only ever around 10-15k won per month, depending on how often I use my stove to cook.

I use my aircon very liberally, I don't care how much it'll cost me. During the winter months, my electric bill is around 20k per month. During the spring and summer, it ranges from 40-60k per month, but for some reason I always end up with a 90-100k electric bill during August or September, despite the fact that my use of everything is no different than it was in previous months. I've always just chalked this up to some type of consolidation involving complex mathematics determined by number of occupants in a building or whatever, and it's only ever just 1 month out of the year. But my electric bill is actually in my landlord's name, and I sometimes wonder if things would change if I got it in my own name, lol.

@Kayos: There are hand warmers specifically designed for gamers. I don't know what kind of products are out there, but I've heard of specially designed gloves and also stuff like this (https://gaming.envavo.com/).
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 08, 2021, 12:57:27 pm
I know, I know, I'm Canadian, too and I've dealt with a lot colder and a lot more snow for months on end for much of my life.  I have no doubt there are some Canadians out there today in cargo shorts praying people will come up and ask "Aren't you cold?" so they can stammer out the "C-c-c-old?  I'm f-f-f-from C-c-c-canada, this is n-n-n-nothing." However, I'm not in Canada now and haven't experienced a Canadian winter in 12 blessed years.  Minus 16 and feeling like minus 23 when I headed out to work this morning.  It's only warmed up to -15 now, high is -11.  That's pretty damn cold for the Seoul area in my experience.  Been at work for two hours with both heaters on in the class and I'm still chilly.  Sun is starting to hit my wing now so that'll make a difference. 

On a plus side it was really pretty out last night with all the snow.  I'd forgotten how bright it is at night when the ground is covered in snow.  But, I still hope it's all gone in a few days when the temperature is expected to go back up.  Do I wear boots or shoes?  Boots are better in the snow but shoes are better on the icy paths.  Pain in the ass that I generally don't have to deal with in this neck of the woods. 

It's been 15 or 16 years since I have seen a real Canadian winter.  (And my winter is more mild than some other parts of Canada except for Vancouver area and Toronto area with southwestern Ontario which are warmer than other parts of Canada. )  While we have had brief cold snaps in January before and even the occasional snowfall.  But it is rare to get the snowfall with the cold weather to follow.  It is nice to have a few days with snow and cold together.  It makes me homesick for a real winter. 

The key to suriving it is to dress warm with the right layers.  My llbean boots, gloves, thermal underwear, fleece layer, and wool socks work well during these times.  I wish it would last a bit longer though it should be gone by next week.  You need to dress for it.  If you don't, then it will be hell. 

I prefer a nice dry cold like this over a warmer damp cold with humid air.  Last Monday it was 2 or 3 degrees above 0 but a little damp and I was freezing more then, than now.  As for home, on these days when it is below 0 all day long, I leave the heat on slightly at home even when I go out.  Whereas most of the time, I will turn off the heat during the daytime when I am out.  But not today.  I left it on. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 08, 2021, 12:59:27 pm
I've lived in Victoria, Calgary and Halifax and I found zero degrees in Victoria and Halifax way colder than -20 in Calgary where it's so dry you'd need a hydraulic press to make a snowball.

I love how the locals all talk about how they love the cold weather and would love to live in Canada. The other day it was 14C and my wife (who is one of the talkers) was in a full on parka with a fur lined hood.

How I would love to introduce them to a full-term Quebec City winter.

Some folks don't get the difference between a dry cold and a damp cold which I just mentioned above.  I prefer a dry colder cold than a damp warmer cold any day of the week.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Kayos on January 08, 2021, 12:59:38 pm
I never, ever turn on my ondol for two reasons: 1) It's difficult to regulate and gets my little one room uncomfortably warm AND humid very quickly, and 2) it causes condensation on my walls, which, when combined with the warmth, very rapidly leads to mold growth. Like we're talking overnight.

So my gas bill is only ever around 10-15k won per month, depending on how often I use my stove to cook.

I use my aircon very liberally, I don't care how much it'll cost me. During the winter months, my electric bill is around 20k per month. During the spring and summer, it ranges from 40-60k per month, but for some reason I always end up with a 90-100k electric bill during August or September, despite the fact that my use of everything is no different than it was in previous months. I've always just chalked this up to some type of consolidation involving complex mathematics determined by number of occupants in a building or whatever, and it's only ever just 1 month out of the year. But my electric bill is actually in my landlord's name, and I sometimes wonder if things would change if I got it in my own name, lol.

@Kayos: There are hand warmers specifically designed for gamers. I don't know what kind of products are out there, but I've heard of specially designed gloves and also stuff like this (https://gaming.envavo.com/).

I was actually looking at the thing you linked right after I sent my earlier message! :D
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 08, 2021, 01:02:58 pm
Sold out now, but later on, you can buy.  Order one size up from your normal size.  I wear now.  My feet are so incredibly warm right now walking through the woods.  https://global.llbean.com/shop/Mens-Waterproof-Insulated-Wildcat-Boots-Lace-Up/0SVR104110.html
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 08, 2021, 01:15:11 pm
I don't even have a/c.  It would be nice, and last year I inquired about installing it, but even with a used one it was a waste of money.  I was going to have to pay additional money because for some reason the rack to hold it outside my balcony was going to have to be installed by a cherry picker type thing.  I got used to falling asleep in Thai heat after just a cool shower, so there are only a few weeks here I would need it.  I do fine with a fan.  And seven showers a day. 

But, I hate sitting around in my home feeling I need to dress warmly.  I want to be able to curse Netflix and Amazon Prime for having so much sh*t programming while I'm sitting comfortably in a t-shirt and some lazy pants.  And I got my heating pad for my mattress so all I need is a light blanket. 

It's still a lot cheaper here, unless you're in the boonies maybe, to keep the a small apartment toasty.  Back home you can tell the difference between going to a home someone has bought as opposed to where someone is renting.  My brother rents an apartment with utilities included.  It can be the coldest winter day and you'll be comfortably sitting on the couch in boxers and a t-shirt.  Head out to my mom's previous house she owned and the thermostat was set firmly at 60 (F) and you wore a sweater inside the whole time. 

??  The L shaped bracket that you put the air con on over the window or wall is around 100 thousand won extra.  Not that much money.  I had one installed at my apartment in 2019.  I bought a Carrier for 11 pyeong wall mounted one with an inverter (to save energy) and is quiet for my neighbors.  (I bought at Junja Land.)  Total fee was 1 million won for installation and purchase and delivery.  I did have to pay 100 k for that extra L shape mounted bracket. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 08, 2021, 01:19:37 pm
What are you guys paying for heat during the cold months on average? My oil bill was in the 150,000 Won a month area. But my apartment was always warm. I hung out in shorts and a T-shirt. I've never understood why some people cheap out and sit around in their place freezing, or sweating in the summer cuz they're too cheap to turn on the aircon.



It's probably what happens when you work for 2.1 million won.  Those folks are poor.  Anyways, I don't get them either.  I use as much air con as I want for 4 to 5 months a year in Korea.  I also use heat as much as I need.  I don't need a lot of heat due to my body temperature and also a good quality breathable quilt.  So, I am often 10 to 15 degrees when I sleep due to my very warm quilt.  But am closer to 20 degrees in the evening.  But during this cold snap, I have it turned up more and even leave it on while I am out.  I like some comfort instead of cheapening out.  However, I like cooler temps.  So, I wear a thermal shirt and keep it cool inside. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Kayos on January 08, 2021, 01:25:36 pm
It's probably what happens when you work for 2.1 million won.  Those folks are poor.  Anyways, I don't get them either.  I use as much air con as I want for 4 to 5 months a year in Korea.  I also use heat as much as I need.  I don't need a lot of heat due to my body temperature and also a good quality breathable quilt.  So, I am often 10 to 15 degrees when I sleep due to my very warm quilt.  But am closer to 20 degrees in the evening.  But during this cold snap, I have it turned up more and even leave it on while I am out.  I like some comfort instead of cheapening out.  However, I like cooler temps.  So, I wear a thermal shirt and keep it cool inside.

Wage has nothing to do with it, at least not for everyone. I was using all the AC and heat I wanted when I was on 2.1 a few years ago.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 08, 2021, 01:26:12 pm
I never, ever turn on my ondol for two reasons: 1) It's difficult to regulate and gets my little one room uncomfortably warm AND humid very quickly, and 2) it causes condensation on my walls, which, when combined with the warmth, very rapidly leads to mold growth. Like we're talking overnight.

So my gas bill is only ever around 10-15k won per month, depending on how often I use my stove to cook.

I use my aircon very liberally, I don't care how much it'll cost me. During the winter months, my electric bill is around 20k per month. During the spring and summer, it ranges from 40-60k per month, but for some reason I always end up with a 90-100k electric bill during August or September, despite the fact that my use of everything is no different than it was in previous months. I've always just chalked this up to some type of consolidation involving complex mathematics determined by number of occupants in a building or whatever, and it's only ever just 1 month out of the year. But my electric bill is actually in my landlord's name, and I sometimes wonder if things would change if I got it in my own name, lol.

@Kayos: There are hand warmers specifically designed for gamers. I don't know what kind of products are out there, but I've heard of specially designed gloves and also stuff like this (https://gaming.envavo.com/).

It sounds like your place is old or cheaply built.  I had lived in a variety of places before settling into better places and paying my own deposits.  Korea does have a lot of humidity and damp days in winter (though not now).  Turning on ondol heat should make it dry inside.  You often need a humidifier to get rid of the dry air inside. 

If your place is uninsulated, the dampness can seep through the walls and get stuck in the wallpaper especially when it is behind a piece of furniture without air flow.  Newer places and better built apartments shouldn't have this problem in my experiences due to insulation or thickness of walls. 

In an older place almost better to remove the wall paper and paint the walls a color you like.  Maybe put a water proof or mold proof pre coat painted on before.  Move to a newer place if you can afford the deposit though.  That way you can use as much or as little ondol as you wish.  Long term it is not good for your health to breath that moldiness in.   
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: OnNut81 on January 08, 2021, 01:26:58 pm
??  The L shaped bracket that you put the air con on over the window or wall is around 100 thousand won extra.  Not that much money.  I had one installed at my apartment in 2019.  I bought a Carrier for 11 pyeong wall mounted one with an inverter (to save energy) and is quiet for my neighbors.  (I bought at Junja Land.)  Total fee was 1 million won for installation and purchase and delivery.  I did have to pay 100 k for that extra L shape mounted bracket. 

I think the total I was looking at was 500k, but for me it's just not worth it.  The officetel I was living in previously came with one and there were just a few weeks a year, maybe a month where I would on occasion use it.  I don't need it.  I would much faster throw a million won into my travel account if I was going to spend it.  The time I tend to use or want a/c is during the day, and I'm not a homebody outside of work. And I don't like sleeping with a/c on most nights.  I suffer on some of the worst days, but it's not worth the money for me.  A fan usually does the trick. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 08, 2021, 01:27:02 pm
Wage has nothing to do with it, at least not for everyone. I was using all the AC and heat I wanted when I was on 2.1 a few years ago.

It was tongue in cheek.  But my gist was I also use as much heat and cold as I want.  I always have. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 08, 2021, 01:28:05 pm
I think the total I was looking at was 500k, but for me it's just not worth it.  The officetel I was living in previously came with one and there were just a few weeks a year, maybe a month where I would on occasion use it.  I don't need it.  I would much faster throw a million won into my travel account if I was going to spend it.  The time I tend to use or want a/c is during the day, and I'm not a homebody outside of work. And I don't like sleeping with a/c on most nights.  I suffer on some of the worst days, but it's not worth the money for me.  A fan usually does the trick. 

Wow!  I run the ac for almost five months a year here, especially at night.  I can't sleep when I am too hot. 

Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 08, 2021, 01:32:57 pm
Some people are pricks to animals in this country. Usually
soju swilling, fag smoking dog meat eating ajoshis.

I saved an injured kitten in 1996. I built it a house from Styrofoam
and bought it some spam and milk. I came back in the morning and
it was still there. I brought it to the vet and he amputated its tail.
(Kids used to tie cats to trees by their tails and then stone them to
death.) I was going to bring it home only until it got better. It stayed
for twenty years. It used to follow me six blocks to school in the morning
and then return home and let itself in through an open window.

Yeah that happens all the time here.  You have to put out a plastic or styrofoam bowl if you are going to leave out some food or drink for the neighborhood kitties.  That way when it is gone or removed, you're not out much money. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: CO2 on January 08, 2021, 01:40:58 pm
Yeah that happens all the time here.  You have to put out a plastic or styrofoam bowl if you are going to leave out some food or drink for the neighborhood kitties.  That way when it is gone or removed, you're not out much money. 

For food, just make a pile on the ground.

They're animals............ ........ they don't need cutlery, haha.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Kayos on January 08, 2021, 01:42:53 pm
It was tongue in cheek.  But my gist was I also use as much heat and cold as I want.  I always have.

You turn literally every subject on here into 2.1 wage issues.
I highly doubt you were using tongue in cheek with your comment.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: OnNut81 on January 08, 2021, 01:51:08 pm
For food, just make a pile on the ground.

They're animals............ ........ they don't need cutlery, haha.

I go the opposite route.  Tables, chairs, and a table cloth a la Lady and the Tramp.  People come by and take selfies or sit and do cutie poses, but no one will dare take it down.  The animals ( a possum and an opossum I feed) positively love it!
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Chinguetti on January 08, 2021, 02:17:46 pm
It sounds like your place is old or cheaply built.

Probably both, tbh. It's all concrete and no insulation. I've thought about moving several times, but in the end I'm always put off by the gamble of it. My landlord is very quick to address any issues I might have with my apartment, and she has never once tried to make me pay for something that she's responsible for. Plus, my building's location is super convenient for me as it's literally just a minute's walk from several bus stops, including ones that take me directly to my schools.

So, I just learned to live without heating, which was never really a big deal to begin with since I've always been frugal with heating anyway. I've got plenty of blankets, and a heating blanket if things get dire.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Lazio on January 08, 2021, 08:01:06 pm
my electric bill is actually in my landlord's name, and I sometimes wonder if things would change if I got it in my own name, lol.

You are onto something... Do you have a separate meter for your unit? Do you know where it is? If you do, take a photo of the meter every month so you can see your usage.
For reference, we pay around 15k a month for electricity. That includes the 2500 basic charge for TV. In the summer it goes up to around 30k. And that is with a lot of A/C use. All night long for over a month and basically most of the time when we are at home during the hottest few weeks. We are a family of 3, living in a 33 pyeong apartment.

As for gas: last winter the most we paid was 80k. This January will be more than that. I think around 100k. Although it will depend on how cold the rest of the month will be. We keep our home at 23-24 degrees Celsius, 24/7.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: VanIslander on January 08, 2021, 10:33:42 pm
My first year in South Korea i was handed a brick of cash every month, 2 million won exactly. No deductions, no expenses. I cranked the a/c in the summer and heat in winter and paid squat. The good ol' days.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Lazio on January 09, 2021, 07:39:10 am
This morning ended up even colder than yesterday's. At 8am, KMA wrote -19,5 degrees Celsius for my "dong".
The wind chill factor may not be as bad as it was yesterday though.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: SPQR on January 09, 2021, 10:45:26 am
My first year in South Korea i was handed a brick of cash every month, 2 million won exactly. No deductions, no expenses. I cranked the a/c in the summer and heat in winter and paid squat. The good ol' days.

Yeah, I remember those bricks. Nice.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Savant on January 09, 2021, 11:31:27 am
This morning ended up even colder than yesterday's. At 8am, KMA wrote -19,5 degrees Celsius for my "dong".
The wind chill factor may not be as bad as it was yesterday though.

Last thing you want is a chilly dong.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: 303lmc on January 11, 2021, 09:18:04 am
I wanna do laundry but my veranda is as cold as outside and I'm scared it's gonna freeze. ToT
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Aristocrat on January 11, 2021, 11:44:53 am
I wanna do laundry but my veranda is as cold as outside and I'm scared it's gonna freeze. ToT

Do it!

My laundry machine is inside an enclosed scullery that's on my veranda. When the weather gets really cold the pipes inside the walls and the washing machine freeze.
While not the end of the world it does mean I have to wait till the weather warms up, go to the laundry mat/dry cleaners or manually try to unclog the pipes inside the washing machine... that's always fun.
Do a load at least once a day and the pipes are less likely to freeze.

As far as drying laundry inside, a fan and dehumidifier combo works great. Korean winters are really dry so you don't have to worry too much about mould, particularly if you're using a dehumidifier.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 11, 2021, 12:11:40 pm
You turn literally every subject on here into 2.1 wage issues.
I highly doubt you were using tongue in cheek with your comment.

Triggered are we?  I came here to talk about the cold and you came here to brag?
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 11, 2021, 12:16:10 pm
My first year in South Korea i was handed a brick of cash every month, 2 million won exactly. No deductions, no expenses. I cranked the a/c in the summer and heat in winter and paid squat. The good ol' days.
 

That's 3 million won in todays money.  I guess more on account of no deductions.  I still use as much heat or a/c as I want. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 11, 2021, 12:18:01 pm
It is slightly warmer now, though still at 0 or below it for a 24 hour period.  Warmer by Wednesday and the snow we still have on the ground should be melted by then.  It's been nice to have the snow stick around due to the cold.  It's so rare to have that here. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: 303lmc on January 11, 2021, 12:56:46 pm
Do it!


As far as drying laundry inside, a fan and dehumidifier combo works great. Korean winters are really dry so you don't have to worry too much about mould, particularly if you're using a dehumidifier.
IDK if I can handle dealing with the frozen wash machine pipes right now.  I have plenty of clean clothes I can wear, just hate the growing pile of laundry. sigh..
and yes, I hang it inside, with the dehumidifier and space heater pointed at it. dries in less than an hour.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Kayos on January 11, 2021, 01:08:27 pm
Triggered are we?  I came here to talk about the cold and you came here to brag?

If you came to talk about the cold, there was no reason for you to bring up the issues you have with the 2.1 wage.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 12, 2021, 02:18:44 pm
If you came to talk about the cold, there was no reason for you to bring up the issues you have with the 2.1 wage.

I was answering about why some folks live so frugally and cheaply trying to avoid using any heat even when it's colder than the Arctic out.  I'll talk about whatever I want.  Comment stands. 

It will go above 0 tomorrow for the first time in days.  It should be 10 degrees tomorrow.  But it also means the weather might be polluted or have dusty air.  (Just a guess.)
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: VanIslander on January 12, 2021, 09:07:41 pm
I remember one -35 c windy Winnipeg evening I made the mistake of touching the bus stop pole and PEELED my skin off the pole. It was one  of the most excruciating few minutes of my life. (I had painkilling alcohol within that hour - no way was i gonna go the extra mile to the hospital that night!)
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: pkjh on January 13, 2021, 12:43:24 am
Still using my electric fan, blowing on me, with the floor heating on. Just the sound of it soothes me to sleep.

Anyways, coldest I've experienced is -38 sometime in the early 90s in Calgary. But it was a 'dry' cold... lol. I Also spent 2 winters in Ottawa, supposedly a humid cold, felt the same to me. Okay, in my childhood, winters routinely would go into the deep -30s for like a week maybe 2, or 3, times a winter. Still had to go to school, unless the buses couldn't start. Although, these days it seems the winters in my hometown hit the high -30s like once a year now, the new kids consider the -20s  cold, since they don't really so -30 as  much anymore.

Korean winters a pretty easy, even the last week, was walking around last week when it was maybe -10 during the late afternoon seeing all these Koreans bundled up, and acting all cold, but I had to go open jacket since I felt kind of hot.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Liechtenstein on January 13, 2021, 02:45:02 pm
I had the heat on in the car this morning as I drove to work. First time ever, nearly 15 years.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: OnNut81 on January 13, 2021, 03:37:24 pm
Looked like a winter wonderland outside last night. That was a lot of big fluffy snow.  The boughs of some of the evergreens in my complex were bending with the weight. Loved it.  Unfortunately with  temps. Jumping up today itís turning into quagmire. Wish it had lasted a little longer. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Lazio on January 16, 2021, 07:58:09 pm
Looks like another round of snow from tomorrow evening. It will make the Monday morning commute interesting. Thank goodness I only need to go out in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: VanIslander on January 16, 2021, 09:06:27 pm
Commute.

That's one thing I always avoid.

Live a 10-minute walk away from work, max, and enjoy every day to the fullest! (Snow is great to walk on. Beautiful, crunchy, crisp. Ah...)
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Mr C on January 16, 2021, 09:12:21 pm
Commute.

That's one thing I always avoid.

Live a 10-minute walk away from work, max, and enjoy every day to the fullest! (Snow is great to walk on. Beautiful, crunchy, crisp. Ah...)

Um, you have a 10-minute commute.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: stoat on January 16, 2021, 10:36:00 pm
There are commutes and commutes. For some people it's the best part of the day. I used to love taking a boat from my island in Hong Kong to the mainland every morning. Always guaranteed a seat, 30 minutes of gentle sea travel, enough time to watch an episode of my favorite drama. In the evening you could buy a half bottle of wine at the kiosk and sit in the outside section watching the sunset.  In Italy my commute took me right through the centre of the historic old town every morning, an uplifting experience that never got tired. I've also commuted on trams, funicular railways and on a scooter. Even the outside section of line two in Seoul sometimes is quite interesting. The underground section with everyone wearing masks and staring at their phones, not so much.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: oglop on January 16, 2021, 10:44:24 pm
yes, exactly. in melbourne, i'd quite happily cycle an hour to work. the cycle paths were lovely and it was very relaxing. i used to be able to walk to work in seoul along to back alleys, which was also great. now i have to catch line 2 sometimes at rush hour. it's really grim, even though it's only for 20 minutes. i'd rather cycle an hour than do that commute
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: VanIslander on January 16, 2021, 11:39:58 pm
One or two hours a day, 5 to 10 a week, 20 to 40 a month, 200+ to 400+ hours a year...

You gotta either appreciate it or avoid it,
.... or .... ugh... be one of the sluggard-looking or lethargic masses you see going to and from work during "rush" hours. It's like a sad sci-fi scene every time i take the subway (which is twice or so a year, when shopping in big cities).

Seriously, rats and moles in dirt holes have more joy than them!
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Lazio on January 17, 2021, 12:23:20 pm
One or two hours a day, 5 to 10 a week, 20 to 40 a month, 200+ to 400+ hours a year...

You gotta either appreciate it or avoid it,
.... or .... ugh... be one of the sluggard-looking or lethargic masses you see going to and from work during "rush" hours. It's like a sad sci-fi scene every time i take the subway (which is twice or so a year, when shopping in big cities).

Seriously, rats and moles in dirt holes have more joy than them!

When someone has a family, they can't just simply  move around to be close to one of the parents' workplace. What about the other parent? What about the kids' school? What about the grandparents that help out?
Living in employer provided housing as a single person is a very different thing.
Also, there is a very good chance that those people you describe, wouldn't want to trade their lives with yours.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: stoat on January 17, 2021, 01:09:22 pm
Not to mention wanting to buy your own home
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: VanIslander on January 17, 2021, 09:10:05 pm
If you marry a Korean, you are expected to do typical Korean things. Agreed.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Lazio on January 18, 2021, 08:38:37 am
If you marry a Korean, you are expected to do typical Korean things. Agreed.

?

Or rather: When you grow up, you are expected to do typical grown-up things.

None of what you responded to are Korea specific. The same stands anywhere around the world.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 18, 2021, 10:11:26 am
If you came to talk about the cold, there was no reason for you to bring up the issues you have with the 2.1 wage.

You keep bringing it up.  Either way turn down the heat and keep pinching your pennies if it's what you wish. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Kyndo on January 18, 2021, 10:26:04 am
Snowed a bit today, which is nice. Unfortunately I'm back at school again, so couldn't run outside to enjoy it.  :sad:
The cold hasn't been terrible where I live (near Daegu), except for on those days where it's super windy.
I like to run along the river next to my apartment, and unfortunately it gets really windy there. Chilly chilly chilly!
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 18, 2021, 10:52:49 am
Had a couple of days off last week.  Near my home. 
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: Kyndo on January 18, 2021, 10:54:28 am
Oh wow, that's fantastic!
Some great pics, too.
Nothing staying on the ground here so far this winter, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Are we not going to talk about the cold?
Post by: hangook77 on January 18, 2021, 11:38:52 am
Oh wow, that's fantastic!
Some great pics, too.
Nothing staying on the ground here so far this winter, unfortunately.

That area was last weekend and early last week.  By end of week melted and this morning got some snow. So far still here.  Prob gone by tomorrow is my guess.  Snow never stays here for long.  Just lucky enough to have had some snow before that cold snap we had last week.  Gone now.  (And thanks.)