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Title: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Liechtenstein on November 30, 2020, 12:34:53 pm
Let's at least try to keep it sensible. If you write "I would rather win $ 1 billion than $1 million.", you're just being silly.

"I would rather play an incredible round of golf than have sex."

 
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: CO2 on November 30, 2020, 12:37:39 pm
I would rather have a gf than not have a gf.

I do have one, by the way. For the uninformed.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: tylerthegloob on November 30, 2020, 12:41:21 pm
i would rather be super strong than super jacked

i am both, by the way. chesterjim once called me a beefcakewhile the "i would rather..." statement is true, i'm definitely not both *crying face*
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Kayos on November 30, 2020, 01:06:39 pm
I'd rather have teleportation magic than being able to fly.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: CO2 on November 30, 2020, 01:10:38 pm
I'd rather have teleportation magic than being able to fly.

Imagine being able to fly 100km/h? That would suck, COMPARED to teleporting.

And flying faster than 100km/h? Well, at those speeds you're gonna have a hell of a time in your windsuit. I can't imagine that would be pleasurable.

And yes, I do understand that flying would be fun, in and of itself.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Kayos on November 30, 2020, 01:34:14 pm
Imagine being able to fly 100km/h? That would suck, COMPARED to teleporting.

And flying faster than 100km/h? Well, at those speeds you're gonna have a hell of a time in your windsuit. I can't imagine that would be pleasurable.

And yes, I do understand that flying would be fun, in and of itself.

I'd assume, that being able to fly, you'd be able to withstand your top speed while flying, which could a perk to flying. :o
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: CO2 on November 30, 2020, 01:41:37 pm
I'd assume, that being able to fly, you'd be able to withstand your top speed while flying, which could a perk to flying. :o

Now we're getting into the weeds. haha
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Liechtenstein on November 30, 2020, 01:43:32 pm
I would rather drive darn near any motorbike than even the coolest car.

I've been riding bikes for over 40 years and went to race car driving school and have owned a Corvette. Motorbikes rule.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on November 30, 2020, 01:48:05 pm
Teleportation without accompanying visual powers would mean a gruesome death for you in short order.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: tylerthegloob on November 30, 2020, 01:48:26 pm
Teleportation without accompanying visual powers would mean a gruesome death for you in short order.
why
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: CO2 on November 30, 2020, 01:55:41 pm
why
I mean, is your power really gonna be just "Paris!" and then you show up on the street in Paris? That's pretty general. hahaha

A realistic one would be to teleport somewhere precise. And if you're not careful then you'll teleport next to a building where half your cells are intermingled with wall and you'll explode. 
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: dippedinblush on November 30, 2020, 02:00:26 pm
I would rather have no legs than no arms....
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: tylerthegloob on November 30, 2020, 02:05:40 pm
but then its 2 powers, no? unless you want to argue that teleportation necessitates some kind of special vision. but then surely flying requires some kind of secondary power that would make it not suckyeah we're really in the weeds now
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: oglop on November 30, 2020, 03:04:16 pm
I would rather eat korean rice rolls than kimbap
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Don Hobak on November 30, 2020, 03:11:37 pm
I would rather eat korean rice rolls than kimbap

Oglop would rather erase culture than appropriate it.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: JNM on November 30, 2020, 03:14:37 pm
Iíd rather be a forest than a tree.
Yes, I would.
If I could.
I surely would.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on November 30, 2020, 03:57:05 pm
but then its 2 powers, no? unless you want to argue that teleportation necessitates some kind of special vision. but then surely flying requires some kind of secondary power that would make it not suckyeah we're really in the weeds now
Flying wouldn't necessitate any significant powers that don't already exist in the animal kingdom. Flying at sub 1500 foot altitudes at 50 mph wouldn't really require any secondary powers. Teleportation on the other hand, assuming you knew where you wanted to go, you wouldn't know what else was around the spot  you wanted to go. Then you'd materialize around a person or vehicle or say a bicycle with your shin surrounding its gears and chains as they're moving. Unless you're talking teleportation within visual range.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: stoat on November 30, 2020, 04:16:06 pm
I would rather eat korean rice rolls than kimbap

I can't remember but did we establish last time whether you'd rather be an arsed-face weasel or a weasel-faced arse?
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: hippo on November 30, 2020, 04:47:11 pm
I'd rather be a sparrow than a snail
Yes, I would
If I could
I surely would
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: hippo on November 30, 2020, 05:29:00 pm
I would rather say "air-con" than "air-conditioner" my overall bad feelings about Konglish be damned.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Don Hobak on November 30, 2020, 07:39:25 pm
I would rather say "air-con" than "air-conditioner" my overall bad feelings about Konglish be damned.

Actually yeah. I feel like ďair-conĒ has penetrated into my lizard brain now too, like those slight bows whenever unexpectedly meeting someone I know. It comes so naturally, but itís also bound to bewilder others.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Aristocrat on November 30, 2020, 07:55:10 pm
I would rather watch an elementary school speech contest than a basketball/baseball game.

One of the things Korea has taught me about myself is that I absolutely detest watching or playing Korean and American sports, no offense. 
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Liechtenstein on December 01, 2020, 08:49:50 am
I would rather be alone than spend time with 99.9% of the people I have ever met.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: CO2 on December 01, 2020, 08:57:51 am
She said sports.

Aristocrat is a woman now?  :huh:
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: 745sticky on December 01, 2020, 09:10:30 am
Aristocrat is a woman now?  :huh:

If I emulate Liechtenstein's likely line of reasoning I arrive at "if (s)he likes Cricket and Rugby, yes"

Personally I find baseball dreadfully boring to watch, except for sometimes the last few innings, same with soccer. Basketball is so-so. American football is by far my favorite sport to watch.

Of course, all this is assuming I'm watching at home. I'd gladly go out to see any sporting event in-person (its a lot more exciting with a crowd and some overpriced ballpark food).
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Kurt Sorensen on December 01, 2020, 09:15:52 am
On the subject of rugby
I would rather watch rugby league than rugby union.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: VanIslander on September 20, 2021, 04:56:06 pm
I would rather skydive than bungy jump.

It's longer and grandeur.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 20, 2021, 05:07:31 pm
I would rather have a multi-day trip through the jungle getting banged around on my motorbike than cruise the highway in a Rolls Royce.

A 1995 Honda XL250 with 67,000 km's on her as she sits.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Kurt Sorensen on September 20, 2021, 07:26:48 pm
On your bike theme;
I would rather have a street legal Yamaha TT 500 than any other dirt bike (with a chrome tank)
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: VanIslander on September 20, 2021, 07:52:39 pm
Riding a dirtbike in Northern Thailand is a fond memory that'll console me in my dying days.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Mr C on September 21, 2021, 01:57:51 am
Riding a dirtbike in Northern Thailand is a fond memory that'll console me in my dying days.

Who cares?
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: chimp on September 21, 2021, 10:11:58 am
Who cares?

God finally someone said it.

VanIslander's posts are some of the most boring and self-satisfied out there.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 21, 2021, 11:39:00 am
Who cares?

I do, I've done it, and if you haven't you are missing out on something wonderful. Scenery, people, driving into villages where you may be the first foreigner they have ever seen. Trying your best to talk to the locals. Miraculously finding someone who can speak English in a village in the middle of nowhere and having a few beers with him or her (it's almost always a him).

It is amazing and unforgettable. I get it and I care!
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Mr C on September 21, 2021, 05:47:04 pm
I do, I've done it, and if you haven't you are missing out on something wonderful. Scenery, people, driving into villages where you may be the first foreigner they have ever seen. Trying your best to talk to the locals. Miraculously finding someone who can speak English in a village in the middle of nowhere and having a few beers with him or her (it's almost always a him).

It is amazing and unforgettable. I get it and I care!

That was a rhetorical question.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: VanIslander on September 22, 2021, 04:12:06 am
I do, I've done it, and if you haven't you are missing out on something wonderful. Scenery, people, driving into villages where you may be the first foreigner they have ever seen. Trying your best to talk to the locals. Miraculously finding someone who can speak English in a village in the middle of nowhere and having a few beers with him or her (it's almost always a him).

It is amazing and unforgettable. I get it and I care!
Exactly! The welcomeness and joy of villagers at meeting a foreigner, the openness and friendliness was shocking... compared to driving through Korean villages and having locals turn away, again and again, shunned... with none of the greet-the-stranger hospitality i had in Mexico, Thailand and New Zealand.

Korea is great in many ways, ESPECIALLY once someone introduces you (e.g., "you are English teacher here?" Best friend treatment automatically ;)

But the wandering joy of discovery and welcomeness in Thai villages, smiles galore, happy cats lazing around, a meal and drink offered willingly, a tour of the local highlights, the Buddhist temple quiet moments.

There has been nothing like it.

(Of course, covid19 disrupted a 9-month trip in 2020-21 that would've had similar experiences in bucket list Malaysia and India. *sigh*
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Aristocrat on September 22, 2021, 04:15:35 pm
Exactly! The welcomeness and joy of villagers at meeting a foreigner, the openness and friendliness was shocking... compared to driving through Korean villages and having locals turn away, again and again, shunned... with none of the greet-the-stranger hospitality i had in Mexico, Thailand and New Zealand.

Korea is great in many ways, ESPECIALLY once someone introduces you (e.g., "you are English teacher here?" Best friend treatment automatically ;)

But the wandering joy of discovery and welcomeness in Thai villages, smiles galore, happy cats lazing around, a meal and drink offered willingly, a tour of the local highlights, the Buddhist temple quiet moments.

There has been nothing like it.

(Of course, covid19 disrupted a 9-month trip in 2020-21 that would've had similar experiences in bucket list Malaysia and India. *sigh*

Look, this might just be me being a cynical douche since it's back to work tomorrow, but it sounds like the two of you like being the white/English rockstar, at the centre of attention more than you like bikes.

Both of you mentioned the exact same experience of rocking up to wow the orientals when you could've mentioned something about the joys of tinkering with a machine, the adrenaline rush of speeding around the dirt or whatever. You could've switched bikes with a damn bobsled or a penny farthing and you'd still be talking about amazed the locals were when you pitched up.

I get it, we've all had experiences (I refuse to demean the word 'adventure' for something so trivial) of finding ourselves in the middle of nowhere and interacting with locals. However, bloviating about how the entire village got thrown into a frenzy at the mere sight of you for being a white guy sounds kinda pompous and cringe.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 22, 2021, 04:33:58 pm
Look, this might just be me being a cynical douche since it's back to work tomorrow, but it sounds like the two of you like being the white/English rockstar, at the centre of attention more than you like bikes.

Both of you mentioned the exact same experience of rocking up to wow the orientals when you could've mentioned something about the joys of tinkering with a machine, the adrenaline rush of speeding around the dirt or whatever. You could've switched bikes with a damn bobsled or a penny farthing and you'd still be talking about amazed the locals were when you pitched up.

I get it, we've all had experiences (I refuse to demean the word 'adventure' for something so trivial) of finding ourselves in the middle of nowhere and interacting with locals. However, bloviating about how the entire village got thrown into a frenzy at the mere sight of you for being a white guy sounds kinda pompous and cringe.

You're a cynical douche.

Let me repeat that....

You're a cynical douche.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: dippedinblush on September 22, 2021, 07:48:29 pm
Look, this might just be me being a cynical douche since it's back to work tomorrow, but it sounds like the two of you like being the white/English rockstar, at the centre of attention more than you like bikes.

Both of you mentioned the exact same experience of rocking up to wow the orientals when you could've mentioned something about the joys of tinkering with a machine, the adrenaline rush of speeding around the dirt or whatever. You could've switched bikes with a damn bobsled or a penny farthing and you'd still be talking about amazed the locals were when you pitched up.

I get it, we've all had experiences (I refuse to demean the word 'adventure' for something so trivial) of finding ourselves in the middle of nowhere and interacting with locals. However, bloviating about how the entire village got thrown into a frenzy at the mere sight of you for being a white guy sounds kinda pompous and cringe.
Look, this might just be me being a cynical douche since it's back to work tomorrow, but it sounds like the two of you like being the white/English rockstar, at the centre of attention more than you like bikes.

Both of you mentioned the exact same experience of rocking up to wow the orientals when you could've mentioned something about the joys of tinkering with a machine, the adrenaline rush of speeding around the dirt or whatever. You could've switched bikes with a damn bobsled or a penny farthing and you'd still be talking about amazed the locals were when you pitched up.

I get it, we've all had experiences (I refuse to demean the word 'adventure' for something so trivial) of finding ourselves in the middle of nowhere and interacting with locals. However, bloviating about how the entire village got thrown into a frenzy at the mere sight of you for being a white guy sounds kinda pompous and cringe.

Yeah it's interesting at first, being the first foreigner a native person (in a country) a person has ever seen...but mostly its horrific. 

Being stared at, being touched without your consent, being offered free shit because you are just another race/ethnicity/other than, being photographed, being watched anytime you are doing anything (even the most trivial of things) and having your anonymity and seemingly your rights erased just sucks after a while.   And if it doesn't suck for you, then you must need/crave attention.   
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: dippedinblush on September 22, 2021, 07:49:18 pm
Ahh sorry Aristocrat this was aimed at LIC
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: L I on September 22, 2021, 07:54:14 pm
And in some places they are thinking of ways to get money from you. Thatís a drag. In other cases they might be genuinely curious, which could be cool.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Aristocrat on September 23, 2021, 09:19:07 am
You're a cynical douche.

Let me repeat that....

You're a cynical douche.

Water off a duck's back, but you failed to explain why I'm wrong.

LI is correct too, 95% of the time they see you, they see a fool and his money.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: CO2 on September 23, 2021, 09:30:04 am
Certain people going to visit the jungle natives (timestamp to 2:37 if it doesn't work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHj18FWcolE&t=158s
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Aristocrat on September 23, 2021, 12:16:16 pm
Yeah it's interesting at first, being the first foreigner a native person (in a country) a person has ever seen...but mostly its horrific. 

Being stared at, being touched without your consent, being offered free shit because you are just another race/ethnicity/other than, being photographed, being watched anytime you are doing anything (even the most trivial of things) and having your anonymity and seemingly your rights erased just sucks after a while.   And if it doesn't suck for you, then you must need/crave attention.   

You're a lady and, going by your knowledge of fitness, I'm assuming in pretty good shape.

A fat, pasty, old, balding expat guy is probably going to experience being stared at and groped, particularly by members of the opposite sex, completely opposite to you.

This is all I can imagine when I read Liechtenstein and VanIslander describe themselves during their trips to rural villagers

(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_focal-360x700,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2018_23/1925016/ss-170307-kim-family-tree-13.jpg)
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 23, 2021, 12:29:14 pm
Ehhh...there's a mix. Yeah a lot of it is "fantasy in one's head" but also there is just genuine small town welcoming and trying to be friendly to visitors.

There's a fine line to walk but a lot of times it comes down to personal preference- this is stereotype, but midwesterners would probably find it uncomfortable while southerners would probably find it familiar (in some ways, not all). I mean we have our own small town folk back home and like here, some are warm and perhaps guilty of trying to roll out too much of a carpet but mean well. And others...

And there's also stuff the locals do that can be really off-putting or can have actual ill-intent and they see you as easy money. Combine that with the "Everyone was exultant in my radiant presence" mentality and well, you get some unreliable narrations.

It's a mixed bag out there, but it isn't all one thing or the other.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 23, 2021, 12:31:14 pm
Ahh sorry Aristocrat this was aimed at LIC

You don't get it. It has nothing to do with me being something to them. It has everything to do with me being spiritually enhanced by the beauty of my fellow humans, the simplicity of life, the true and utter contentment with enough to get by,  the generosity and caring of complete strangers, the desire to share cultures and lives, the effort to try and get to know/understand something that is unique to you and them...

That is what it's about. You know, the exact opposite of the way most people treat strangers. Kinda like you and most others here apparently treat strangers. Exactly the opposite of how Koreans treat strangers.

You clearly do not understand. And for that, your life is lacking.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 23, 2021, 12:35:24 pm
You're a lady and, going by your knowledge of fitness, I'm assuming in pretty good shape.

A fat, pasty, old, balding expat guy is probably going to experience being stared at and groped, particularly by members of the opposite sex, completely opposite to you.

This is all I can imagine when I read Liechtenstein and VanIslander describe themselves during their trips to rural villagers

(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_focal-360x700,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2018_23/1925016/ss-170307-kim-family-tree-13.jpg)

If I cared, I'd feel sorry for you. It is nothing like that at all. Unless you have been here and traveled, you simply cannot understand. Expressing ridiculous comparisons as you have done is naught but humourous.

Come and visit. Let's go on a trip. You think Disneyland is magical? wait until you experience the real thing.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Aristocrat on September 23, 2021, 12:41:35 pm
You don't get it. It has nothing to do with me being something to them. It has everything to do with me being spiritually enhanced by the beauty of my fellow humans, the simplicity of life, the true and utter contentment with enough to get by,  the generosity and caring of complete strangers, the desire to share cultures and lives, the effort to try and get to know/understand something that is unique to you and them...

That is what it's about. You know, the exact opposite of the way most people treat strangers. Kinda like you and most others here apparently treat strangers. Exactly the opposite of how Koreans treat strangers.

You clearly do not understand. And for that, your life is lacking.

Like the rest of us, you also log into this forum almost on a daily basis to get into stupid arguments with people you've never met about pointless crap.

Remember that before you post some sanctimonious, 'Eat Pray Love' drivel about being more "spiritually enhanced" than us.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 23, 2021, 02:07:35 pm
Like the rest of us, you also log into this forum almost on a daily basis to get into stupid arguments with people you've never met about pointless crap.

Remember that before you post some sanctimonious, 'Eat Pray Love' drivel about being more "spiritually enhanced" than us.

Listen, doorknob, just because you can't appreciate an adventure well off the beaten path, experiencing things very few if any have ever experienced, don't shit on the cornflakes of those that can and do. You just sound petty, jealous and childish.

Stay in the city if you are afraid of the great outdoors.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Aristocrat on September 23, 2021, 02:52:22 pm
Listen, doorknob, just because you can't appreciate an adventure well off the beaten path, experiencing things very few if any have ever experienced, don't shit on the cornflakes of those that can and do. You just sound petty, jealous and childish.

Stay in the city if you are afraid of the great outdoors.

Mate, I'm aware that you count your little cruise through a rural village, on a lawnmower like Forest Gump, as an adventure.
I do not.

One of the greatest things about coming to South Korea was that, as a guy in his early 20s, I could blow money on surf trips I've been dreaming about since childhood, which I did. I travelled to Grajagan/G-Land (East Java), California, The Mentawais, Bali and Japan to surf breaks that could kill a grown man and I have the scars to prove it. I also spent my entire youth doing road trips up both the east and west coast of SA and growing up on the hard waves of Cape Town. My mates and I literally spent hours and days following word of mouth and hand drawn map directions to find secret surf spots in the middle of nowhere and getting chased by angry f*cking baboons.

I do/did all this and can still call myself a city-boy with a kick-ass skin routine.

As I said in my original comment, I refuse to demean the word 'adventure' by describing your cute little family-friendly trip to a village as something that won't even get my heart beating above resting rate.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 23, 2021, 03:00:17 pm
Adventure can be subjective. It can mean something pulse-pounding, but it could also mean a slow-boil trip to go find some sort of craft spot and spending a few weeks learning traditional pottery or working on some rural farm and trying to get a good crop that season. Not evrything has to be DANGER to be an adventure.

I mean, some people consider skydiving or bungee jumping an adventure and I just don't get it. At least something like Aristocrat said with real risk and danger OR a slow-boil rewarding thing like I described.

As for busing or biking through a small village, yeah probably more of a trip than an adventure unless something was risked or some sort of goal at risk of failure was accomplished.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: OnNut81 on September 23, 2021, 03:27:05 pm
Nah, hopping on a motorbike in rural part of a second world country and just headed out and seeing where the roads take you is definitely an adventure.  I can attest that cruising through somewhere in central Thailand is far different than down in Phuket or Samui.  But, someone who is a first time visitor there could absolutely feel adventurous doing that in those places.  If you're doing something you've never done before it's an adventure.  What it means to someone else means jacksh*t.  Get someone who just arrived in Korea who has headed down to Seoul Station and just bought a ticket to the next train and has nothing but some money and a weekend.  They're off for an adventure.  In fact, I envy people that can still feel that sense of adventure in Korea.  It's been years but I can still remember the sense of excitement and anxiety when hopping on a bus with zero language skills and a Lonely Planet book.  Adventure is totally relative and personal. 
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Aristocrat on September 23, 2021, 03:42:19 pm
Adventure can be subjective. It can mean something pulse-pounding, but it could also mean a slow-boil trip to go find some sort of craft spot and spending a few weeks learning traditional pottery or working on some rural farm and trying to get a good crop that season. Not evrything has to be DANGER to be an adventure.

Just my opinion.

All adventures are experiences, but not all experiences are adventures.

I'm not saying that one is better than the other either. If I'm taking a trip to Hakone for a onsen experience, I'm not looking to get chased by marauders before I get there, with an Indiana Jones track being played in the background.
Generally speaking, you have your adventures in your youth because you're equal parts testosterone, bravado and stupidity and these things blind you to very real risk and danger. Furthermore, you don't plan adventures, they just happen and they DO require a healthy amount of risk and danger. Tourists package love marketing 'Phuket Adventure' to rich tourists eager to brag to their friends about their 'wild side' when they get back to the conference room back home.

I'm not looking for adventures anymore as I've got responsibilities that require me to be in one piece to fulfill.

What Liechtenstein did sounds like an enjoyable experience, but it's no adventure.
Anyways, that wasn't my original issue, which is that he likes being fawned over by villagers and hey, if that's his bag and he's not hurting anyone than he has my blessing. I don't buy that malarkey about "spiritual experience" or whatever.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 23, 2021, 05:02:29 pm
Just my opinion.

All adventures are experiences, but not all experiences are adventures.

I'm not saying that one is better than the other either. If I'm taking a trip to Hakone for a onsen experience, I'm not looking to get chased by marauders before I get there, with an Indiana Jones track being played in the background.
Generally speaking, you have your adventures in your youth because you're equal parts testosterone, bravado and stupidity and these things blind you to very real risk and danger. Furthermore, you don't plan adventures, they just happen and they DO require a healthy amount of risk and danger. Tourists package love marketing 'Phuket Adventure' to rich tourists eager to brag to their friends about their 'wild side' when they get back to the conference room back home.

I'm not looking for adventures anymore as I've got responsibilities that require me to be in one piece to fulfill.

What Liechtenstein did sounds like an enjoyable experience, but it's no adventure.
Anyways, that wasn't my original issue, which is that he likes being fawned over by villagers and hey, if that's his bag and he's not hurting anyone than he has my blessing. I don't buy that malarkey about "spiritual experience" or whatever.

You're a rockstar Aristocrat. Not a particularly bright one, but you're from South Africa so that makes sense.

An adventure to me is unexpected fun and that could be something as simple as discovering a new author and being drawn into his or her novel for a thrilling read. Of course, I could fall out of my La Z Boy chair and scrape my knee on the fake grass in my man cave. So, there is definitely danger involved. Or the potential thereof.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Aristocrat on September 23, 2021, 05:38:06 pm
You're a rockstar Aristocrat. Not a particularly bright one, but you're from South Africa so that makes sense.

An adventure to me is unexpected fun and that could be something as simple as discovering a new author and being drawn into his or her novel for a thrilling read. Of course, I could fall out of my La Z Boy chair and scrape my knee on the fake grass in my man cave. So, there is definitely danger involved. Or the potential thereof.

Dude, with your logic flossing is an adventure.

The fact that I call your "adventures" nothing more than a little jaunt shouldn't be enough to ruin the experience. An experience isn't worse than an adventure, but stretching the definitions of adventure and/or romanticising the seemingly mundane is something only yuppie tourists do.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 24, 2021, 10:58:37 am
Just my opinion.

All adventures are experiences, but not all experiences are adventures.

I'm not saying that one is better than the other either. If I'm taking a trip to Hakone for a onsen experience, I'm not looking to get chased by marauders before I get there, with an Indiana Jones track being played in the background.
Generally speaking, you have your adventures in your youth because you're equal parts testosterone, bravado and stupidity and these things blind you to very real risk and danger. Furthermore, you don't plan adventures, they just happen and they DO require a healthy amount of risk and danger. Tourists package love marketing 'Phuket Adventure' to rich tourists eager to brag to their friends about their 'wild side' when they get back to the conference room back home.

I'm not looking for adventures anymore as I've got responsibilities that require me to be in one piece to fulfill.

What Liechtenstein did sounds like an enjoyable experience, but it's no adventure.
Anyways, that wasn't my original issue, which is that he likes being fawned over by villagers and hey, if that's his bag and he's not hurting anyone than he has my blessing. I don't buy that malarkey about "spiritual experience" or whatever.
Well like I said, I agree there has to be some kind of risk- the risk of failure or it not working or whatever. And I mean serious risk. Like if you spent 3 weeks in the back woods of Peru seeking out some reclusive teacher to learn indigenous pottery and he tries to teach you but you couldn't get it, that's a fair risk. Or set off to find a crashed WWII airplane in Burma and couldn't find it after 2 weeks, still an adventure. Or even just being in your garage and building some homebuilt racer from scratch that might not even work, would be an adventure. Even if you weren't in physical danger there was still significant risk-reward.

But yeah, stopping off for a day in some small town in Gangwondo is not an adventure.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: OnNut81 on September 24, 2021, 11:16:48 am
But yeah, stopping off for a day in some small town in Gangwondo is not an adventure.

Sure, it is if the conditions are right.  I can't believe I'm even participating in a conversation as idiotic as this, but it is not up to anyone else to decide if someone's outing was considered adventurous by them, or not.  How do you even argue that in good faith?  Let's say a person who had never left their small town in Canada takes a job in Asia and lands in Seoul.  After the first week they have a five day Chuseok weekend and they say eff it, I'm getting out of the city.  They just hop on a bus that is going to a place called Gangwon and figure they'll just go by the seat of their pants and Seoul will always be an easy place to make it back to.  Of course, that's an adventure.  You don't need to be doing something unique to everyone, just something new and unknown to you.  There doesn't need to be any risk or peril where you're physically in danger.  The risk could be you sleep in a roadside bus shelter because you got lost.  Trying to claim cruising around Northern Thailand on a motorbike is not an adventure is just sour grapes from waygook's King of Disdain for all things not him, Aristocrat.  As for Marti, par for the course idiocy there.  Everything Aristocrat listed on his surf adventures were things other people do as routine. So, does that mean Aristocrat can't count them as adventures.  According to him and Marti, no, he can't.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: tylerthegloob on September 24, 2021, 11:38:16 am
getting to the everest base camp would probably be an adventure for me. it's routine for others. it's all relative innit?
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Aristocrat on September 24, 2021, 11:55:20 am
Sure, it is if the conditions are right.  I can't believe I'm even participating in a conversation as idiotic as this, but it is not up to anyone else to decide if someone's outing was considered adventurous by them, or not.  How do you even argue that in good faith?  Let's say a person who had never left their small town in Canada takes a job in Asia and lands in Seoul.  After the first week they have a five day Chuseok weekend and they say eff it, I'm getting out of the city.  They just hop on a bus that is going to a place called Gangwon and figure they'll just go by the seat of their pants and Seoul will always be an easy place to make it back to.  Of course, that's an adventure.  You don't need to be doing something unique to everyone, just something new and unknown to you.  There doesn't need to be any risk or peril where you're physically in danger.  The risk could be you sleep in a roadside bus shelter because you got lost.  Trying to claim cruising around Northern Thailand on a motorbike is not an adventure is just sour grapes from waygook's King of Disdain for all things not him, Aristocrat.  As for Marti, par for the course idiocy there.  Everything Aristocrat listed on his surf adventures were things other people do as routine. So, does that mean Aristocrat can't count them as adventures.  According to him and Marti, no, he can't.

You don't understand.

Surfing is, by definition, an extreme sport. Regardless, I agree and do not count surfing as an adventure. Thing is, travel is a critical component to surfing as almost every surfer will travel to different spots at least once a week. I estimate I've surfed around 200 different breaks in South Africa alone. Many of this spots are hidden/secret, in the middle of nowhere and hours away from civilisation.

The discussion came from Liechtenstein's assumption that I was afraid of the outdoors simply because I didn't get all teary-eyed at that Eat Pray Love monologue he spewed about spirits and faeries... whatever, he encounters while riding through villages on a bike. 

I agreed that people will define adventures differently, which means I'm entitled to my opinion as you are entitled to yours.

What I struggle to comprehend is why you and your friend are trying so hard to change my mind. Is it that important that I identify the two of you as Livin' La Vida Loca? Well, if it's that important to you then here, you did a thing.

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Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 24, 2021, 01:13:23 pm
As for Marti, par for the course idiocy there.  Everything Aristocrat listed on his surf adventures were things other people do as routine. So, does that mean Aristocrat can't count them as adventures.  According to him and Marti, no, he can't.
Uhm, I said that different things could qualify as adventures, including those that didn't involve physical danger. However, there still had to be some element of risk- be it financial/to reputation/significant loss of time and energy expended/etc. This means that to novices it can be an adventure, but not to experts.

But yes, just stumbling off the bus with your buddies in a magkeolli haze to go hike up RandomBF-san and eating hongeoh with some random hiking ajeosshi at the top is not an adventure.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 27, 2021, 02:36:49 pm
Sure, it is if the conditions are right.  I can't believe I'm even participating in a conversation as idiotic as this, but it is not up to anyone else to decide if someone's outing was considered adventurous by them, or not.  How do you even argue that in good faith?  Let's say a person who had never left their small town in Canada takes a job in Asia and lands in Seoul.  After the first week they have a five day Chuseok weekend and they say eff it, I'm getting out of the city.  They just hop on a bus that is going to a place called Gangwon and figure they'll just go by the seat of their pants and Seoul will always be an easy place to make it back to.  Of course, that's an adventure.  You don't need to be doing something unique to everyone, just something new and unknown to you.  There doesn't need to be any risk or peril where you're physically in danger.  The risk could be you sleep in a roadside bus shelter because you got lost.  Trying to claim cruising around Northern Thailand on a motorbike is not an adventure is just sour grapes from waygook's King of Disdain for all things not him, Aristocrat.  As for Marti, par for the course idiocy there.  Everything Aristocrat listed on his surf adventures were things other people do as routine. So, does that mean Aristocrat can't count them as adventures.  According to him and Marti, no, he can't.

OnNut81 gets it.

As an aside, I've been held hostage at gunpoint in Venezuela, escaped when the soldiers were getting too relaxed, ran through the jungle to a resort and called the Canadian Embassy. The Charge d'Affaires came to our rescue, there were 12 of us being squeezed for money, and gave us an escort to the airport where he waited till the plane took off.

Does that pass the Aristocrat test? Admittedly, it ain't surfing but there was a teensy weensy bit of danger. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's had a gun pointed at them in anger.
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 27, 2021, 03:45:21 pm
OnNut81 gets it.

As an aside, I've been held hostage at gunpoint in Venezuela, escaped when the soldiers were getting too relaxed, ran through the jungle to a resort and called the Canadian Embassy. The Charge d'Affaires came to our rescue, there were 12 of us being squeezed for money, and gave us an escort to the airport where he waited till the plane took off.

Does that pass the Aristocrat test? Admittedly, it ain't surfing but there was a teensy weensy bit of danger. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's had a gun pointed at them in anger.
Not that I doubt your story, but it is a remarkable one and I have to ask- How did you know your way through the jungle and where you were? I assume they moved you? And I mean, how far was this resort?

Was this like actual rebel/cartel gang hostage? Or was this more bar owner and local bouncer muscle hostage?

I mean, you can see from my questions where my curiosity is. Not saying there isn't an explanation (I mean, this may just be the Cliff Notes easy version to avoid a 3 paragraph write up, which I understand) but I do have natural questions.

Anyways, more about this the better. Sounds like hairy times!
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 27, 2021, 05:31:57 pm
There was a group of 12 of us, 6 couples, who all went to a hotel just outside the string of resorts in Cancun. It wasn't an all inclusive resort thing it was a nice hotel. The nearest resort was perhaps a km down the beach, which stretched forever in both directions.

Anyway, we booked our trip through a travel agency and went and had a lovely vacation. Everything was perfect until the night before our check-out when we all received a note stuffed under our hotel doors to report to the front desk  at 5 am. This was odd because we weren't checking out until 11 and the flight was at 1:00pm.

As we gathered in the empty and quiet main entrance by the desk the manager showed up from her office. She told us we each owed $600 or they weren't letting us check out. We told her to stuff it and then soldiers with AK's walked in pointing the business ends of their rifles at us. They rounded us up, took our passports, ordered us to sit in a corner and started to sweat us.

We could go to jail. No calls to home. It was scary. We were refused access to our rooms again. Refused access to a phone. This was long before cellphones existed.

So we sat. And sweated. 1 hour, 2 hours, 3 hours......the soldiers were clearly getting tired and restless. 4 hours, 5 hours and we were starting to get worried we'd miss our flight. The guards were all off chatting to one another and not paying close attention to the gringos anymore. They knew where we were, tucked into a corner with all our luggage and no passports.

I had to pee. I stood up and started for the bathroom and a guard came over pointing his gun demanding where I was going. I told him I had to pee and poo, diarrhea, grabbed my belly and pretended to be in pain etc and invited him along. Showing a shitload more bravado than I felt.

He sent me on my way. The bathroom had a window in it and I climbed through and buggered off. I knew where the nearest resort was and I Usain Bolted man. I got there and told the main desk clerk I was a Canadian and there were 11 more back at the hotel and we were in trouble. He got the phone and the operator and I got hooked up with the consulate. I spoke to the guy running the show and he said to head back to the hotel and he'd be right there.

I jogged back to the hotel (I was much younger and in better shape then) and as I walked in the front door the guards and the manager were in a panic. I was surrounded and threatened with pointing guns. They demanded to know where I was and at that moment a gringo came roaring in on his BMW motorbike. I knew it was dude.

I told them they were in the shit now and they all looked at the guy storming in holding a Ferrari red Canadian passport.

Diplomatic. That starts with D and rhymes with T which stands for trouble. Guns went down and the boys started to scatter. The guy walked up to the desk and demanded to know who was in charge.

(Please pardon the language here admins)

The tall skinny Ichabod Crane bitch said "I'm in charge."

The Charge d'Affaires slammed his passport on the desk in front of her with such force she jumped and said, "Not anymore! I'm in charge now. I'll see you in your office and he walked around the desk into the back.

We could all hear him screaming at her as clear as a bell.

"Who the **** are you to **** with Canadians? When you **** with 1 Canadian you **** with the entire country of Canada." This went on at volume 11 for about 10 minutes getting ruder and more vulgar by the minute. Most was in Spanish which I got a fair bit of being fluent in French with a smattering of Spanish. Then they came out. She apologized profusely and begged us to please come back, it was all a mistake, the travel agency hadn't paid them and they thought, mistakenly that we were supposed to pay when we left.........

Our bus showed up, the Charge d'Affaires led us to the airport, hustled us through immigration spewing all sorts of venom and stood on the tarmac until we were air born.

I've never been back :-)
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: OnNut81 on September 27, 2021, 07:08:56 pm
There was a group of 12 of us, 6 couples, who all went to a hotel just outside the string of resorts in Cancun. It wasn't an all inclusive resort thing it was a nice hotel. The nearest resort was perhaps a km down the beach, which stretched forever in both directions.

Anyway, we booked our trip through a travel agency and went and had a lovely vacation. Everything was perfect until the night before our check-out when we all received a note stuffed under our hotel doors to report to the front desk  at 5 am. This was odd because we weren't checking out until 11 and the flight was at 1:00pm.

As we gathered in the empty and quiet main entrance by the desk the manager showed up from her office. She told us we each owed $600 or they weren't letting us check out. We told her to stuff it and then soldiers with AK's walked in pointing the business ends of their rifles at us. They rounded us up, took our passports, ordered us to sit in a corner and started to sweat us.

We could go to jail. No calls to home. It was scary. We were refused access to our rooms again. Refused access to a phone. This was long before cellphones existed.

So we sat. And sweated. 1 hour, 2 hours, 3 hours......the soldiers were clearly getting tired and restless. 4 hours, 5 hours and we were starting to get worried we'd miss our flight. The guards were all off chatting to one another and not paying close attention to the gringos anymore. They knew where we were, tucked into a corner with all our luggage and no passports.

I had to pee. I stood up and started for the bathroom and a guard came over pointing his gun demanding where I was going. I told him I had to pee and poo, diarrhea, grabbed my belly and pretended to be in pain etc and invited him along. Showing a shitload more bravado than I felt.

He sent me on my way. The bathroom had a window in it and I climbed through and buggered off. I knew where the nearest resort was and I Usain Bolted man. I got there and told the main desk clerk I was a Canadian and there were 11 more back at the hotel and we were in trouble. He got the phone and the operator and I got hooked up with the consulate. I spoke to the guy running the show and he said to head back to the hotel and he'd be right there.

I jogged back to the hotel (I was much younger and in better shape then) and as I walked in the front door the guards and the manager were in a panic. I was surrounded and threatened with pointing guns. They demanded to know where I was and at that moment a gringo came roaring in on his BMW motorbike. I knew it was dude.

I told them they were in the shit now and they all looked at the guy storming in holding a Ferrari red Canadian passport.

Diplomatic. That starts with D and rhymes with T which stands for trouble. Guns went down and the boys started to scatter. The guy walked up to the desk and demanded to know who was in charge.

(Please pardon the language here admins)

The tall skinny Ichabod Crane bitch said "I'm in charge."

The Charge d'Affaires slammed his passport on the desk in front of her with such force she jumped and said, "Not anymore! I'm in charge now. I'll see you in your office and he walked around the desk into the back.

We could all hear him screaming at her as clear as a bell.

"Who the **** are you to **** with Canadians? When you **** with 1 Canadian you **** with the entire country of Canada." This went on at volume 11 for about 10 minutes getting ruder and more vulgar by the minute. Most was in Spanish which I got a fair bit of being fluent in French with a smattering of Spanish. Then they came out. She apologized profusely and begged us to please come back, it was all a mistake, the travel agency hadn't paid them and they thought, mistakenly that we were supposed to pay when we left.........

Our bus showed up, the Charge d'Affaires led us to the airport, hustled us through immigration spewing all sorts of venom and stood on the tarmac until we were air born.

I've never been back :-)

Thatís quite an adventure, but surely you couldíve found somewhere closer to run from Venezuela than Cancun.  You definitely were in good shape then.  I wouldíve gotten totally turned around in Belize knowing my sense of direction. 
Title: Re: I would rather _______ than ______.
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 28, 2021, 02:42:22 pm
Yes, laughing out loud, that was a different vacation. My apologies. We were on Margarita Island. I was thinking of Mexico as I wrote this and how much I like that place. A friend and I were reminiscing about a trip we took there and laughing about Senor Frog's in Cancun with the plexiglass slide that pumped you out into the ocean for a free jello tequila shot.